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All
right,
thank
you,
chairman,
good
afternoon,
john
bennett,
chief
of
staff.
Yesterday,
as
the
chairman
mentioned,
both
at
the
agenda
review
this
morning,
we
were
requested
to
come
in
and
kind
of
give
council
and
the
community
an
update
on
the
appointment
of
the
chief
of
police
for
the
city
of
tampa.
So
what
I
thought
I
would
do
in
before
we
get
into
any
questions
and
city
attorney.
Gina
grimes
is
with
me
as
well.
E
If
there's
any
specific
legal
based
questions
that
need
to
be
asked,
but
I
thought
I
would
kind
of
go
over
a
timeline
because
that
kind
of
maybe
helped
remind
us
of
where
we
have
been
and
where
we
are
and
where
we
need
to
go.
So,
if
that's
the
pleasure
of
of
counsel,
I
also
kind
of
put
it
in
a
memo
format,
and
I
can
leave
a
copy
of
that
when
I'm
done
for
your
reference.
But
I'll
start
with
again.
E
At
that
point,
mayor
castro
appointed
interim
chief
reuben
delgado,
and
he
began
in
that
role
of
acting
chief
during
the
national
recruit
process
that
we
unveiled
here.
Several
weeks
ago.
We
brought
then
interim
chief
delgado
to
city
council
by
way
of
resolution,
number
2021-1044.
E
And
on
december
16th,
and
that's
where
then
again
interim
chief
ruben
delgado
was
confirmed
by
council
using
city
charter,
section
6.03.
E
Mayor
caster,
appointed
mary
o'connor
as
the
city's
next
police
chief,
therefore
creating
and
also
filling
the
vacancy
that
put
interim
chief
delgado
back
into
his
former
role
as
assistant
chief
of
police
mayor
caster,
stated
publicly
during
the
appointment
that
she
will
submit
the
newly
appointed
chief
of
police,
which
I
parent
is
select,
based
on
the
conversations
that
we've
had
about
council's
appointment
process
approval
process
through
the
confirmation
to
city
council
within
the
defined
timeline
for
confirmation.
E
It
was
also
important
to
the
administration.
I
assume,
council
that
we
gave
chief
o'connor
select
time
to
meet
with
each
council
person
as
well
as
meet
with
the
community
and
that
actually
got
finalized
yesterday
morning
on
february
16th.
E
E
As
you
know,
council
had
approved
through
the
budget
process
for
us
to
hire
a
diversity
recruiter,
which
we
did
actually
a
budget
ago,
and
we
also
have
had
a
lot
of
success
with
the
banner
box
portion
of
the
ordinance,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
employees
that
have
proven
out
through
that
process
as
well.
So
again,
there's
a
myriad
of
legal
processes
and
policies
that
have
been
followed,
not
only
in
this
specific
appointment
of
chief
of
police,
but
with
other
employees
in
the
city
and
by
example.
E
E
A
F
A
F
Speak
I
mean
you
know
I've.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
had
an
issue
before
city
council
where
we've
gotten
so
many.
You
know
I
always
hear
city
council
members
say
my
what
is
it
my
phone's
been
ringing
my
phone's
been
ringing.
I've
never
said
that
my
phone's
been
ringing.
You
know
what
I
mean.
I
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
inquiries
from
people
in
tampa
and
the
surrounding
area
on
this
issue.
F
You
know
we
always
work
well,
I
think,
with
the
administration
and
and
there's
always
reasonableness
and
and
whatnot
and
fairness,
etc,
and-
and
I
hope
that
that
continues
on
on
both
ways,
because
there's
some
issues
that
I'm
going
to
bring
up
that.
I
want
to
see
from
this
process
that,
to
me,
are
very
important.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
butch
delgado,
who,
I
think
is
a
great
man.
F
I
I'd
spoken
to
individuals
in
the
administration
chief
bennett,
among
others,
indicating
my
preference
at
the
time
for
butch
delgado
that
that
to
me,
like,
I
tell
because
I've
gotten
lots
of
emails
on
this,
and
I
try
to
respond
to
most
of
the
emails
that
I
get,
because
it's
so
important
and
people
are
so
sincere.
F
There's
a
lot
of
sincere
emails
out
there
on
this,
and
I
always
say
that
we're
not
voting
for
this
isn't
like
a
ballot
of
trump
versus
biden
or
trump
versus
hillary,
or
whatever
we're
voting
up
or
down
on
one
person
you
know
and
and
my
position
on
supporting
butch
delgado,
which
was
expressed
to
the
administration
is
of
is,
in
my
opinion,
of
limited
relevancy
on
looking
on
this
nominees
record
and
everything.
My
biggest
issue
that
I
want
to
see
is
community
engagement.
F
When
I
saw
that
mrs
o'connor,
with
whom
I
had
met
and
is
a
very
nice
woman,
etc
was
going
on
the
bishop
michelle
patty
show
I
go.
That's
the
right
way
to
go.
F
Go
talk
to
the
community,
go
talk
to
people
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
with
questions.
Many
of
them
reasonable
questions,
like
I
said
when
I,
when
I
spoke
with
her,
go,
engage
the
community
go
talk
to
latino
groups,
there's
an
article.
There
have
been
a
couple
articles
in
the
paper
on
concerns
in
the
latino
community
among
among
latino
leaders
of
middle
eastern
individuals,
muslims,
whoever
it
may
be,
go
talk
to
the
many
different
organizations
and
groups
etc
within
our
diverse
city
of
tampa
community.
F
F
My
top
priority-
and
this
is
what
I
know
I
I
I
would
hope-
and
I
believe
all
of
our
top
priority
is
which
is
the
well-being
of
tampa
police
department
of
the
men
and
women
who
served
there,
who
have
gone
through
a
hellish
time
as
of
recently
and
the
communities
that
they
serve
the
many
different
communities
that
they
serve.
So,
for
me,
community
engagement
is
the
biggest
thing,
not
just
engagement
with
the
seven
of
us.
That's
certainly
critical.
That's
certainly
critical,
but
community
engagement.
F
If
I
think
it's
open
and
obvious,
and
it's
that
we
have
a
nominee
that
has
gotten
a
lot
of
scrutiny
from
the
community
meet
with
the
community
meet
with
the
community
like
they
did
on
the
bishop,
michelle
patty
show
and
like
other
instances,
I
know
we're
occurring,
but
I
think
that's
very,
very
important.
This
is
an
issue
of
of
where
we
have
to
look
at
it
objectively
and
and
we
meet
with
the
community
as
well.
As
I
know,
we
all
have
been
speaking
to
people.
F
I've
spoken
to
people
who
are
republican
democrat,
liberal
conservatives,
some
people
that
don't
got
much
of
a
political
opinion,
but
they
sure
got
an
opinion
on
this
and
all
of
it
weighs
on
me.
So
you
know
I
want
to
apply
reasonableness,
fairness,
responsibility
and
scrutiny
on
this,
but
I
want
to
continue
to
see
engagement
with
the
community
by
the
the
nominee
I
hate
to
say
the
nominee
that
sounds
so
formal,
but
but
by
the
nominee.
For
me,
that
is
critical.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Just
like
councilmember
vieira
I've
received
a
ton
of
communication
from
the
community
from
people
that
I
never
expected
would
would
contact
me
and
all,
but
one
were
against
the
said
nominee
and
the
person
that
was
in
support
originally
said.
You
know
this
is
ridiculous.
This
is
crazy
and
then
two
days
later
he
changed
his
mind
and
said
you
know
you
should
support
it
and
you
should.
You
know,
avoid
conflict
and
drama
and
all
this
stuff,
whatever
one
person's
opinion.
C
My
question
is
what,
if
city
council
doesn't
vote
to
confirm,
does
that
then
go
back
to
the
mayor
and
the
mayor
just
renominates
the
same
individual
and
it's
back
and
forth
and
there's
a
stalemate
and
we
don't
get
anything
done.
Is
the
council
able
to
have
a
ballot
and
vote
up
or
down
on
one
candidate
or
another?
You
know,
let's
say
delgado
versus
o'connor.
I
don't
think
that's
possible,
I
think
per
the
charter.
Unless
it's,
I
understand
it
differently.
It's
who
the
mayor
appoints.
C
That's
it
and
you
vote
yes
or
no,
and
the
mayor
can
reappoint
that
person
a
hundred
times
over
and
it
could
be
the
same
vote
back.
You
know
and
then
you
don't
get
anywhere
you're
at
a
stalemate,
and
it's
just
you
know
fodder
for
the
press
and
nothing
but
political
drama,
and
it
just
makes
everybody
look
bad.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
council
feels.
I
know
the
council
members
have
met
with
mary
o'connor,
knowing
her
not
very
well,
but
when
I
got
elected
to
council,
I
got
to
meet
her.
C
I
gave
her
her
commendation
when
she
retired
right
right,
where
you're
standing,
I
think
she's
a
wonderful
person,
that's
my
opinion,
but
we're
looking
at
this
from
the
perspective
of
leading
the
police
department.
There
has
been
criticism.
There
have
been
news
stories,
but
at
the
same
time
as
councilmember
vieira
said
you
know
she
was
on
the
bishop.
Paddy
show.
Last
saturday
you
know
she
is
engaging
in
the
community.
I
think
that's
very
helpful,
but
I
don't
know
where
we
go
from
here.
C
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
rest
of
the
the
council,
members
and
those
are
just
my
thoughts.
Thank
you.
G
There
was
a
rumor
circulating
yesterday
and
a
reporter
called
me.
Probably
everybody
else
about
a
a
15-day
rule,
and
the
rumor
was
that
the
mayor
had
not
scheduled
this
for
today,
because
by
the
next
meeting
the
15
days
would
have
run
out
and
and
the
because
the
city
council
had
failed
to
vote.
Then
the
person
would
be
automatically
in
the
position.
Can
you
just
address
that.
E
G
Your
point
of
view
that
would
start
whenever
you
put
it
on
the
agenda
correct.
Okay,
the
other
thing
is
obviously:
we've
had
a
lot
of
problems.
The
last
mayor,
militarized
the
police
or
tried
to
and
created
several
racist
policies,
one
of
them
two
of
them,
were
condemned
by
the
tampa
bay
times
and
investigative
series,
and
one
of
them
was
condemned
by
the
united
states
justice
department,
some
of
those
policies
and
problems
continued
on
to
the
last,
the
last
administration
of
the
of
the
police
department.
G
When
butch
delgado
came
on,
I
found
that
he
was
a
breath
of
fresh
air.
He
brought
professionalism,
he
worked
with
us.
He
collaborated.
I
assume
he
worked
with
everybody
else.
The
same
way
he
worked
with
me.
It
was
a
completely
different
day.
Instead
of
being
adversarial
and
argumentative,
you
saw
the
last
police
chief
would
sit
here
and
scream
at
us
across
the
desk.
It
was
completely
inappropriate.
G
He
also
helped
us
in
one
of
those
racist
policies-
the
renting
while
black,
he
navigated
that
expertly,
and
I
think
the
the
black
community
and
other
minority
computing
communities
really
really
appreciated
that,
and
so
whoever
becomes
the
next
police
chief.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
that
sensitivity.
G
I
appreciate
the
collaborative
effort
between
the
administration
and
and
city
council.
I
appreciate
his
ability
to
communicate
with
the
public
and
if
we
could
continue
like
that,
whoever
is
in
charge,
it
would
be
fantastic.
I
I
also
have
been
very
supportive
of
him.
I
just
met
the
candidate
a
couple
days
ago.
She
was
very
nice,
experienced
very
direct
if
the
communication
continued
like
it
did
the
other
day.
I
think
that
would
be
positive.
G
However,
just
like
you've
heard
in
front
of
city
council
numerous
times
including
this
morning,
and
maybe
this
afternoon,
we
reverse
course
because
of
what
the
community
says
and-
and
we
have
the
community
line
up
in
front
of
us-
we
get
emails
and
calls
and,
like
the
other,
said,
I've
gotten
way
more
calls
on
this,
except
for
anything
other
than
toilet
to
tap
and
the
community.
The
republicans
and
democrats,
they
want
butch
and
they
don't
want
this
applicant.
G
The
community
absolutely
does
not
want
toilet
tap
in
any
form,
and
it
doesn't
make
sense,
but
there's
this
huge
pr
machine
and
political
machine
that,
on
that
that's
attacking
city,
council
and
attacking
the
community,
it's
not
just
informational,
it's
it's
a
tax
and
and
and
this
I
would
be
very
disappointed
if
people
around
the
mayor.
G
I
don't
think
the
mayor's
like
this,
but
people
around
the
mayor
think
that
this
is
a
power
play
where
city
council
versus
the
mayor
city
council
is
just
listening
to
what
the
public
wants,
and
my
recommendation
is,
is
instead
of
selling
the
public
and
forcing
the
public
to
to
agree
with
a
certain
candidate
talk
to
the
public.
But
if
ultimately,
they're
not
convinced
pick
a
different
candidate.
G
H
You
very
much,
mr
chief,
thank
you
for
being
here.
This
is
this
is
a
difficult
situation
for
you
and
I
I
know
your
support
for
the
mayor.
I
I
was
hoping
never
to
have
any
battles
with
the
mayor
of
the
administration.
H
H
How
it
was
handled
is
something
else.
Constituents
are
calling
they're
unhappy,
they're
saying
there
was
no
trans
transparency
in
this
election
hang
and
even
people
that
I
know
that
would
have
to
work
with
any
new
chief,
no
matter
who
it
was,
whether
it
be
sheriff
conister
or
our
our
public
defender
state
attorney.
H
H
But
it's
not
about
butch,
it's
not
about
miss
o'connor.
It's
about
the
way
it
was
handled
again.
Councilman
vieira,
councilman,
maniscalco,
councilman
carlson
said
that
if
the
public
was
contacted,
if
the
public
was
engaged,
this
probably
would
not
be
in
the
situation
that
we're
in
right
now
there's
a
great
mayor
mayor,
dick
greco
would
come
into
city
hall,
put
his
arm
around
all
the
city
cows,
guys
one
by
one
say:
hey
here's!
What
I'm
thinking!
I
No,
we
appreciate
you
coming
over
ms
grimes
as
well.
It's
nice
to
see
you
in
person
for
for
a
change,
hopefully
we'll
get
back
to
that
with
everybody
soon.
So
let
me
clarify
with
a
rhetorical
question.
Mr
bennett:
are
you
asking
for
our
vote
today.
I
The
way
you
laid
it
out
chief
delgado
stepped
back
to
be
assistant
or
deputy
chief
on
the
8th,
I
believe
from
so
from
that
point
forward.
There
is
officially
a
vacancy.
You
have
90
days
to
bring
a
candidate
to
us
and
I'm
sure
you
will.
The
charter
doesn't
speak
to
anything
else.
In
terms
of
you
know
whether
or
not
she
can
be
an
interim
chief
or
I'm
not
really
sure
what
she
is.
It's
my
understanding
she
is
on
the
payroll,
but
the
charter
doesn't
really
speak
to
that.
I
So
that's
what
I
heard
and
you're
welcome
to
inquire
about
that
as
well,
but
but
the
chartered
and
gina,
maybe
you
can
help
me.
I
don't
think
the
charter
speaks
to
that.
The
charter's
rather
silent
about
that
and-
and
I
think
it's
not
without
precedent-
we've
had
other
department
heads
who
come
in
and
for
whatever
reason
it
might
have
taken
a
month,
or
you
said
45
days
to
to
confirm
the
fire
chief.
It
was
actually.
C
I
J
J
Correct
and
in
fact
when
this
issue
came
up,
I
went
back
and
listened
to
the
audio
tapes
from
the
two
meetings
of
the
charter
review
commission,
where
this
issue
was
discussed
and
there
was
extensive
discussion
on
interim
appointments
and
acting
department,
heads
and
what
that
meant
and
what
significance
it
had
and
there.
Actually,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
no
changes
were
made
with
respect
to
that
issue.
J
So
in
this
situation
you
have
an
appointment
like
we
had
an
appointment
of
chief
delcato
on
on
october
1
of
last
year,
and
he
served
in
that
capacity
up
until
the
time
he
was
confirmed
by
council
75
days
later
in
december
and
and
by
the
way
at
the
interim.
Appointments
is
not
something
that
previously
other
administrations
brought
forward
to
this
council.
They
were
just
they
just
sort
of
served
in
that
role.
J
They
were
appointed,
but
never
confirmed
in
the
interest
of
transparency
in
the
interest
of
council
having
input
on
every
appointment,
that's
made
even
an
interim
one.
We
bring
those
interim
appointments
to
you.
As
you
know,
we
did
that
for
the
director
of
the
parks
department,
as
well
as
the
fire
chief.
So
this
isn't
anything
that's
really
any
different
than
what
we've
previously
done.
I
Thank
you,
mr
grimes,
mr
bennett,
so
you
know
earlier
I
and
you
responded,
you
said
you're
not
looking
for
a
vote
today
and
therefore
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
one.
At
least
that's
my
my
intent.
We
you
know,
we've
all
met
with
her
once
I
met
had
a
nice
chat
with
her
yesterday
morning
and
and
and
that's
a
good
start,
I
totally
agree
and
actually
lewis.
I
I
told
her
the
same
thing
I
said
you
know:
naacp
is
speaking
out
against
you
pba
wanted
somebody
else.
I
I
said
you
know,
have
you
met
with
them?
Not
yet
you
need
to,
and
you
know
and
and
you
know
and
that,
but
that's
up
to
you
guys
and
that's
up
to
her
and
how
you
know
how
you
play
that
out,
but
I'm
not
I'm
gonna
try
my
best
to
to
just
like
I
always
do
I
very
very
rarely
ever
you
know
commit
in
advance.
I
like
to
get
all
the
information.
All
the
facts
have
all
the
input
from
the
community
and
then
go
from
there
and
then
that's
going
to
happen.
I
Hopefully,
at
some
day
in
the
future,
I
would
like
to
say
and
and
joe
this
kind
of
reinforces
what
you
were
saying.
I
would
like
to
say
and
remind
the
mayor
mayor,
jane,
okay,
john
bennett,
our
good
friend,
even
you,
gina
to
the
extent
you're
involved,
you're
involved
that
you
guys
always
remind
us
that
we're
a
team
and
we're
a
family,
okay-
and,
I
think,
sometimes
as
team
members
as
family
members.
We
feel
a
little
bit
left
out
and
I
understand
there's
practicalities
involved
in
that.
I
But
you
know,
like
joe
indicated
he's
chair
of
that
committee.
You
know.
Maybe
a
little
extra
deference
to
that
chair
might
have
might
have
been
worthwhile
or
something
and
plus
you
might
have
got
a
little
early
feedback
on
how
this
was
going
to
go
over
which
might
have
helped
as
well.
But
I
don't
I
know,
that's
you
know,
that's
what
do
they
call
it
when
you,
you
know
anyway,
it's
it's
water
under
the
bridge.
I
So
here
we
are
today,
but
but
I
do
believe,
we're
a
team
and
I
do
believe
it's
that
we're
family
and
I
do
believe
we're
all
trying
to
paddle
in
the
same
direction.
So,
however,
this
goes,
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
all
work
it
out
amicably
and
on
some
future
day,
but
thank
you
for
coming
over.
K
Joking
with
you,
you
know,
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
five
different
mayors.
They
were
all
different.
They
all
had
different
personalities.
K
When
you
look
at
the
police
department
and
you
look,
this
police
department
versus
any
police
department
in
the
state,
this
has
to
be
one
of
the
best
in
reduction
of
crime
and
serving
of
the
citizens
and
the
ability
that
they've
had
certainly
there's
been
at
times
anytime.
You
go
up
somewhere
else,
and
you
don't
know.
What's
who
you're
going
to
face?
There's
going
to
be
some
discussion
between
those
four,
though
against
whatever
the
foreign
against
was
about.
K
K
And-
and
these
are
the
things
that
I
think
that
chief
delgado
had-
and
I
had
conversation
with
chief
to
go
long
conversations
when
this
process
was
going
through
and
one
day
he
looked
at
me
and
he
said
you
know
charlie.
He
says
it's
been
going
on
too
long,
I'm
not
going
to
be
name
chief
and
I
agreed
with-
and
I
said
it's
not
about
you-
it's
about
the
process,
whoever
they
they
put
on
our
request
for
proposal
for
applications
to
be
chief
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
The
transparency
in
my
book
was
done.
K
You
had
a
meeting
at
hcc,
which
I
attended.
I've
seen
some
of
the
council
members
here
there
and
there
was
questions
and
answers
by
the
mayor's
youth
corps,
which
I
think
was
appropriate
and
the
both
parties
over
there
answered
them.
However,
chief
delgado
could
not
be
there
because
of
the
untimely
passing
of
his
father
and
by
the
way,
I'm
known
that
the
cable
family,
especially
my
late
wife,
shirley
martin
monkey,
says
he
was
born
or
before
he
was
born.
K
So
I'm
not
looking
at
this
as
what's
the
best
for
him,
even
though
I
think
he's
a
great
chief,
I
I
think
it's
got
to
be
put
that's
what's
best
for
the
whole
city,
including
him.
K
K
No,
the
process
was
done
in
a
mannerism
that
I
believe,
was
done
in
the
right
way.
You
all
put
or
not
hire
someone
to
go
out
scout
the
country
and
correct
me
at
any
time.
If
I'm
mistaken,
nor
does
anything,
say
wrong
mistaken
you
hire
somebody
to
create,
see
who
was
interested
and
come
here.
As
chief,
I
did
meet
with.
K
The
appointed
chief
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
for
about
45
minutes
up
in
the
eighth
floor.
Not
in
your
office,
you
were
not
in
the
room.
Let
me
clarify
that
and
I
think
there
was
two
young
ladies
there
and
we
had
a
very
frank
talk,
conversation
eye
to
eye,
and
I
was
very
point
blank
and
I
told
exactly
how
I
felt
I
didn't
hide
anything,
and
I
told
her
that
you
know
good
luck.
K
You
got
a
hard
stairway
to
climb,
but
if
you
take
it
one
at
a
time,
I
don't
know
what
can
happen,
but
you
can't
leapfrog
it
because
it
ain't
gonna
work.
So
I
I
it
takes
a
strong
person
to
be
chief
delgado
and
to
take
a
strong
person
to
be
who
you
chose
because
they're,
both
at
the
limelight
for
different
reasons
but
they're,
both
there
and
they're,
both
being
taken
and
conversations
about
them
and
really
and
truly.
When
you
look
at
this,
no
one
likes
to
be
in
both
positions.
K
So
that's
where
I'm
at
I'm
open
to
listening
to
what
the
appointed
chief
has
to
say
and
my
decision
will
come
on
that
and
that's
what
I
told
her
and
it's
a
it's
a
situation,
that's
very
difficult.
I've
never
had
that.
I
know
of
that,
doesn't
mean
that
it
won't
happen
here.
Anyone
that
was
rejected
in
a
higher
position
as
chief.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
We
we
still
want
to
be
nice
and
I'm
not
the
politician,
I'm
an
unfiltered
guy.
I
say
things
against
me.
You
know
I'm
that
guy,
but
I
look
at
each
one
of
your
faces
and
you
want
to
be
able
to
tell
ms
grimes
in
the
chief
what
you
really
want
to
tell,
but
you
want
to
be
respectful,
and
I
respect
you
for
that,
but
you
also
have
to
stand
up
to
tell
the
truth,
because
that's
why
I
brought
them
here.
So
they
can
understand
how
you
truly
feel
we
can't
sugarcoat
what
what
it
is.
A
A
A
A
I
think
carl
earl
carl,
the
city
attorney,
who
was
named
frank,
carl,
wanted
curtis
in
that
pile
he
got
added
to
the
list,
so
everybody
who
had
an
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
this
had
an
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
the
process,
and
a
group
of
people
are
selected
to
be
on
that
committee.
A
Wasn't
council
members
were
citizens
and
business
people
selling
that
committee
candidates
were
bought
four
and
the
community
at
large
had
a
chance
to
come
sit.
I
never
forget.
I
said
in
the
second
row
back
there
with
the
able
group
we
sat
back.
We
listened
to
all
the
candidates
from
all
over
the
country
we
listened
to,
who
we
felt
and
it
came
down
to
a
young,
a
gentleman
who
officially
became
my
police
chief
chief
hold
and
a
gentleman
out
of
miami
with
a
final
two.
A
I
was
important
guy
from
miami
because
I
felt
he
was
bringing
a
different
atmosphere,
a
different
vibe
and
new
new
aspects
of
the
city,
but
you
had
chief
hole
who
our
president
thought
was
here.
He
understood
and
and
and
could
bring
what
we
had
back.
I
guess
and
then
we
had
a
fight,
what
I
call
a
conversation
where
we
had
mayoral
at
the
union.
Talk
she
let
the
associated
black
law
enforcement.
She
had
the
community
talk,
but
you
didn't
have
this
uprising.
A
A
I
believe
that
we
had
something
in
place
and
I
know
we
had
covert,
but
I
I
wish
I
especially
the
chief
bennett
as
well.
I
wish
that
we
would
have
had
a
process
where
the
community
at
that
time
could
have
came
out
and
hurt
everybody
if
we're
not
in
a
rush.
Now
we
were
rushed
in
and
we
should
allow
you
know
chief
delgado,
to
have
a
chance
to
be
interviewed
in
in
front
of
the
citizens.
A
So
people
can
hear
his
testimony
can
hear
what
he
feels,
how
he
can
move
the
department
in
an
open
process
that
didn't
happen.
Then
we
go
to
second
chances.
I'm
a
guy.
I've
made
mistakes.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
anybody,
making
the
mistake
of
the
police
department
you're
going
to
make
mistakes.
Things
happen
to
get
disciplined
whatever
you
move
on,
but
the
multitudes
are
called
before
I
left
to
go
to
lunch.
I
didn't
get
a
chance.
A
A
A
I
believe
you
know
to
hear
mr
o'connor
out
and
I've
heard
her.
I
I
know
the
story
she,
I
can't
tell
you
all
the
stories,
but
I
know
all
the
stories
of
tpd.
I
know
the
history
of
everything,
but
I
wouldn't
dare
do
that
to
the
administration,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
things
that
people
that
you
guys
will
never
be
entitled
to
here
know
calls
last
night
from
other
attorneys
and
just
mad
to
the
people
they
figure
goose
is
the
police
guy.
A
A
A
They
do
what
they're
told
to
do.
There's
no
question
in
you:
don't
you
don't
ever
have
an
option
of
what
you
ain't
gonna.
Do
what
you
want
to
say:
they're
used
to
leadership.
John
bennett
knows
what
I'm
talking
about
they're
used
to
a
leader,
somebody
coming
in
and
leading
right
away,
and
they
believe
in
trust.
A
A
A
But
we
have
to
be
honest
as
a
counselor
to
tell
the
administration.
We
have
a
city
who
who
is
really
angry
right
now
and
we
have
to
be
honest
and
tell
them
that
don't
try
to
be
political,
nice
and
try
to
make
you.
We
have
to
be
honest
and
tell
the
administration
we
are.
We've
never
had
an
issue
with
an
appointment
coming
across
as
saying
that
they
don't
want
somebody
to
give
anybody
an
opportunity,
a
chance,
but
for
them
as
the
police
chief,
and
we
truly
have
to
be
honest
with
the
administration
and
again.
A
I
don't
know
how
this
vote
may
go
next
week,
I'm
not
deciding
on
where
I
would
go,
how
I
would
go,
but
I'm
just
saying
right
now.
I
think
the
administration,
the
mayor
and
her
staff
needs
to
take
a
look
at
how
we
go
forth
and
really
get
out
there
with
the
community
and
see
how
we
can
start
to
heal
this
process,
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
get
any
better
anytime
soon,
as
we
keep
lingering
and
lingering
and
lingering
that's
why
I
want
the
candid
conversation?
Gentlemen?
A
Not
just
you
know,
everybody's
talking
on
the
water
cooler
all
out
the
streets,
bring
it
to
the
house,
get
it
open
in
the
house,
so
the
people
who
are
making
these
decisions
to
bring
to
us
they
understand
where
we're
coming
from
and
truly
understand.
What's
going
on,
and
that's
where
I'm
at
today
getting
information,
I've
got
a
concern
if
the
chief,
if
the
chief
is
not
being
confirmed,
I'm
like
well
who's
running
the
police
department.
Right
now,
if
we
haven't
confirmed
the
chief
who's
running
the
day-to-day
operations,
who's
signing
it
signing
the
discipline
who's.
A
A
J
J
It's
the
same
situation,
it's
an
appointment,
but
within
90
days
the
mayor
has
to
bring
the
appointment
and
the
confirmation
to
this
council
and
that
will
be
done
within
the
90
days.
But
it's.
A
I
guess
that
it
was
with
chief
dale.
In
that
case
I
got
to
blame,
I
won't
say
blaine,
but
our
charter
review
commission
didn't
really
dive
deeper
into
that.
We
thought
it
was
a
stipulation,
but
apparently
we
see
that
we
we
didn't
do
everything
we
should
have
done.
A
J
J
There
was
a
discussion
facilitated
by
miss
crote,
who
was
the
facilitator
for
your
charter
review
commission
and
the
subject
of
resubmission
of
the
name
of
the
appointee
came
up
and
the
language
that
was
in
the
draft
at
that
time
said
that,
in
the
event
of
disapproval
by
the
city
council
of
any
said
appointment,
the
mayor
within
90
days
thereafter
shall
submit
or
resubmit
to
the
city
council.
J
The
name
of
the
appointee
and
miss
crotey
talked
about
the
addition
of
the
language
or
resubmit,
because
that
in
fact
would
allow
the
same
person's
name
to
be
resubmitted,
and
she
asks
is
that
is
that
what
this
charter
review
commission
wants
to
do,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
it
and
the
rationale
that
was
given
for
why.
That
kind
of
addition
would
be
appropriate.
Is
that
sometimes
or
in
some
instances
there
might
be
a
disapproval
of
an
of
an
appointee
based
on
false
information
or
a
rumor?
J
And
so,
if
that
person
is
disapproved,
that
would
allow
the
mayor
the
opportunity
to
correct
that
information,
correct
that
rumor
set
the
record
straight
and
bring
that
same
appointee
back
to
city,
council,
and
so
with
that
explanation.
Miss
crotey
said.
Is
that
what
this
commission
wants
to
do
and
you
are,
and
it
was
conceited,
consented
to,
and
it
was
included
in
the
charter
amendments
that
were
on
the
ballot
and
approved
by
the
voters
in
2019..
J
A
Thank
you
for
that
information.
That's
why
we
we
have
to
go
back
and
read
and
make
sure
we
read
with
understanding
sometimes.
So
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
more
clear
to
this
this
board,
but
I
think
we
still
gotta.
We
still
got
some
work
we'll
have
to
do
later
on.
Mr,
mr,
mr
central,
you
recognize
round
two
you're
recognized
by
the
citroen.
I.
H
H
F
Would
strongly
oppose
that?
I
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
vote
because
there's
a
process
I've
met
mrs
o'connor
one
time
one
time
there
is
a
process
where
I
need
to
meet
with
constituents
where
the
administration
needs
to
engage
in
that
that
pivotal
engagement
that
I
talked
about
to
lay
the
foundation
for
for
this
to
go
forward.
I
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
vote
today
I
to
to
vote
on
something
like
this
today.
I
think,
would
be
foolish.
A
F
To
say
they
went
on
the
bishop,
michelle
patty
show
go
talk
to
I
I
I
spoke
to
folks
that
I'm
not
going
to
name
the
name
of
the
group,
but
a
local
muslim
american
organization
go
talk
to
them.
Go
talk
to
the
naacp.
Go
talk
to
the
urban
league.
Go
talk
to
local
hispanic
leaders,
go
into
the
fire,
okay
go
into
the
fire.
If
somebody
is
questioning
this
nomination
go
talk
to
them
and
if
they
continue
to
question
it,
then
you
continue
to
have
that
viable
issue,
but
not,
but
if
not,
you
engage
them.
F
I'm
a
big
believer
in
engagement.
I
always
have
been
I
like
talking
to
groups
right
with
whom
I
have
a
disagreement
right
to
number.
One
say
that
it's
a
respectful
disagreement
number
two
that
we
can
engage.
There's
got
to
be
a
level
of
engagement.
I
mean
for
for
for
me
to
to
decide
and
how
I'm
going
to
vote
on
this
after
I've
told
my
constituents
I'm
going
to
have
a
long
period
of
engagement
and
scrutiny
on
this
and
go
up.
That's
it!
Let's.
I
would
think
that's
foolish
today
my
opinion.
E
G
Say
and
then
you
can
respond
to
all
of
it
at
the
same
time,
if
you
go
through
a
public,
more
of
a
public
process,
and
you
have-
and
I
listened
to
michelle
patty
bishop
patty's
show
the
other
day,
but
if
you
go
through
a
full,
fuller
public
process
and
the
public
still
overwhelmingly
tells
us
to
vote
no
and
then
we
vote.
No,
I
I
hope
that
you,
even
though
you
have
the
right
to,
I
hope
you
don't
bring
back
the
same
candidate
and
and
if
the
same
candidate
comes
back.
G
G
What
does
the
process
go
back
to
two
or
three
folks
here?
Mention
that
that
chief
delgado
is
out
of
the
process?
G
Would
he
not
be
considered
in
in
a
in
a
new
process,
and-
and
we
heard
I
it-
maybe
maybe
I'm
paraphrasing,
but
what
I
heard
on
bishop
patty's
show
the
day
was
the
candidate
was
asked
what
would
happen
if
city
council
votes
no
and
from
what
I
remember
the
answer
was
something
like
well
we'll
go
back
to
the
administration
legal
department
and
we'll
negotiate
something
I
mean
to
me
that
that's
showing
we
didn't
listen
to
the
public.
G
E
E
I
know
all
of
you
know
that
I
spent
30
years
in
the
police
department
and
you
know
I
watched
the
transformation
of
that
agency,
starting
in
the
early
2000s
after
9
11,
to
what
I
retired
in
2015
in
various
roles
all
the
way
through
and
and
that's
why
you
know,
and
and
specifically
to
councilman
citroe
as
chairman
of
the
public
safety
committee
and
my
relationship
with,
I
believe,
with
council,
just
using
me
as
an
example
over
the
last
30
or
so
months
of
working
together
that
I've
always
tried
to
be
responsive
and
stay
ahead
of
the
system
and
try
and
give
feedback
in
any
communication
medium
possible.
E
I
also
believe
in
community
engagement,
like
councilman
vera
talks
about
you,
know,
south
again,
he
picks
up
the
phone.
I
jump
in
the
car.
Go
down,
have
coffee,
even
if
it's
not
my
portfolio,
so
I
can
try
and
completely
understand,
what's
going
on
in
any
segment
or
any
neighborhood
in
the
community.
E
E
You
know
they're,
it's
like
any
other
business
or
corporation
times
ted,
because
just
like
our
military,
our
pillar,
paramilitary
organizations,
police
and
fire
go
through
things
that
sometimes
our
general
employees
don't
necessarily
go
through.
How
do
we
take
care
of
them
from
the
day
to
the
career?
And
that
was
a
focus
in
my
my
model?
The
second
thing
is:
how
do
we
prevent
victims
in
the
community?
E
E
I
know
of
many
many
jurisdictions
around
the
country
that
police
the
easy
streets
and
they
put
up
barriers
against
the
tough
streets.
They
don't
go
into
the
neighborhoods
figure
out
what
the
social
issues
are.
The
crime
issues
that
the
other
issues
that
this
administration
has
been
trying
to
fix,
with
the
five
major
strategic
disciplines
in
housing
and
workforce
and
transportation
and
and
service
and
resiliency,
and
all
the
things
that
you've
been
part
of
build
in
the
budget.
E
I've
been
part
of
a
law
enforcement
action
program
for
years
now,
that
is
a
national
reform
for
criminal
justice
based
on
just
I'll
just
be
very
simple,
over
policing
and
and
not
looking
at
it
holistically.
And
so
you
know,
I've
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
talks
and
discussions
around
the
around
the
globe
over
those
things.
E
So
we
had
been
molded
over
time,
both
during
our
careers,
and
I,
when
I
say
our
I'm
talking
about
now,
mayor
castro,
then
chief
caster
has
seen,
which
has
really
been
the
foundation
for
what
we've
brought
to
the
community
and
brought
to
council
and
working
together
to
try
and
remedy
some
of
those
grassroots
issues.
To
avoid
some
of
the
other
things
that
policing
just
can't
solve,
because
you
need
to
solve
it
at
its
core
as
its
core
or
its
essence,
and-
and
that
is
what
we're
working
together
on
the
strategic
plan.
E
E
She
did
work
with
a
strategic
partner
on
a
national
basis,
rodney
monroe,
who
was
introduced
at
hcc
that
night,
when
we
brought
the
community
together
based
on
the
special
interest
groups
that
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
law
enforcement
and
and
where
we
are
currently
in
the
city
of
tampa
and
that
guidance
from
from
mr
monroe,
who
served
multiple
chief
roles
around
the
country,
understands
diversity.
Equity
inclusion
filtered
that
down
from
a
national
view.
Not
everybody
wants
to
be
a
police
chief
right
now.
E
You
know
there
was
logistics
involved,
but
everybody
felt
comfortable
that
interim
chief
delgado's
investment
in
the
community
during
that
interim
was
part
of
the
process,
and
we
felt
that
we
have
those
conversations
with
butch
which
did
go
through
the
formal
interview
process.
Like
the
other
two
candidates.
He
did
that
with
rodney
monroe.
E
That
person
will
be
brought
forward
for
confirmation,
I'm
not
in
here
asking
to
vote.
I've
never
asked
any
of
you
how
you're
voting
that
I
can
recall
in
the
last
30
months.
I
just
I
asked
to
keep
two
things
when
I
was
getting
the
calls
about
you
know.
Theoretical
chiefs
was,
I
said,
keep
an
open
mind,
we're
doing
a
national
search.
E
E
Obviously
there
was
a
before
the
town
hall
that
evening
each
candidate
went
to
the
union.
They
went
to
the
the
administration
staff.
They
went
to
not
only
the
union
but
hand-picked
personnel,
both
sworn
and
non-sworn.
I
think.
Sometimes
we
forget
the
atu
has
about
300
employees
in
the
police
department
that
are
not
sworn.
E
E
We've
always
said
that
we
don't
lower
crime
in
law
enforcement.
The
community
lowers
crime
with
the
help
of
the
officers,
because
there's
four
hundred
thousand
to
a
thousand
and
those
thousand
are
all
on
the
street
at
the
same
time.
But
the
community's
all
on
the
street
at
the
same
time,
so
we
have
this
obligation
and
what
I
ask
council
to
do
in
a
very
objective
way,
and
I
appreciate
some
of
the
feedback
about
the
process.
E
Continuing
is
that,
hopefully,
if
there's
no
concerns
about
the
process
of
meeting
with
the
community
direct,
they
can't
you
know
direct
the
chief
select
to
go
meet
with
these
folks.
Wait
for
that
feedback,
and
then
we
come
back
to
council.
Like
anything
else,
we
would
ask
for
an
objective
vote,
as
the
confirmation
applies
to
the
charter,
which
is
something
that
the
administration
needs
to
bring
forward
and
submit
the
name
for
that
that
election
process
or
the
voting
process,
if
you
will
so
again,
I
wanted
to
put
an
overview
on
the
process.
E
I've
heard
the
feedback.
I
understand.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knew
what
the
intentions
were
of
trying
to
make
this
a
fair
process,
and
also
you
know
the
the
administration.
Actually,
the
mayor
was
continually
asked
during
the
public
facing
side
of
this.
Whenever
you're
going
to
make
a
decision,
when
you're
going
to
make
a
decision,
I
can
tell
you
a
police
department
that
functions
at
this
level
should
not
go
very
long
without
a
chief
in
place.
That's
my
point.
He
would
be
correct
all
right.
F
F
I
think
that
for
there
to
be
a
reasonable,
responsible,
fair
process,
there
needs
to
be
extensive
engagement,
engagement
that
matches
the
level
of
of
activity
and
involvement
that
we've
seen
by
emails
and
calls
because
people
are
very
interested
in
this,
and
if
the
administration
wants
public
support
for
the
nominee
engage
the
public,
the
very
part
of
the
public
that
is
hesitant
and
skeptical
right,
that
is
hesitant
and
skeptical.
We
have
a
nominee
here
with
well
over
two
decades
of
service
in
tampa
police
department.
There's
a
lot
of
there
there
that's
an
understatement.
F
F
My
position,
but
again,
if
there's
any
group
that
wants
to
meet
with
the
nominee,
let
it
be
known,
I've
cited
some
names
of
organizations
and
persons
to
the
administration
that
I'm
going
to
take
a
part
in
trying
to
set
up
for
information
gathering
as
an
attorney
councilman
dink
felder
miss
grimes.
This
is
what
we
call
the
discovery.
Part
right.
We
are
noticed
for
trial.
Now
is
the
time
to
conduct
discovery
before
it
goes
to
the
charity.
This
is
the
discovery
part
for
me.
Let's
engage
in
discovery
to
see
where
we're
going
to
go.
G
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
just
add,
though,
before
I
joined
council,
part
of
my
practice
was
public
engagement
and,
if
we're
listening,
the
public
not
selling,
you
know
if,
if
the
process
used
in
this
is
like
toilet
tap,
where
we
tell
people
you're
wrong,
you're
stupid,
you
don't
understand
the
environment,
you
don't
understand,
it's
not
gonna
work
and
I
think
the
the
feedback
is
gonna
get
louder
and
louder
in
the
negative
way.
G
We're
gonna
get
more
and
more
emails,
so
I
would
just
recommend
recommend
that
you
all
anticipate
that
and
figure
out
how
to
how
to
deal
with
it.
But
back
to
my
question,
I
asked
a
few
minutes
ago:
what
happens
if
it
sounds
like
if,
if
we
say
no
reflecting
what,
if
the
community
tells
us
to
vote,
no,
we
vote.
No,
it
sounds
like
the
administration
is
going
to
bring
the
same
candidate
back
and
then
we're
gonna.
As
the
committee
says.
No
again,
then
we'll
vote
no
again
and
we'll
just
keep
going
through
that
cycle.
E
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
question.
I
can't
answer
right
now.
Councilman
I
mean
there's,
you
know
we
did
a
national
search,
we
canvassed
and
looked
at
the
best
and
the
brightest
that
were
available
and
willing
to
possibly
transition
to
tampa.
This
was
a
matter
of
fact.
One
of
the
candidates
chief
gauze
from
miami.
E
E
Or
in
any
case
so,
but
just
to
follow
up
on
and
I'll
walk
it
back
from
there.
E
I
don't
know
the
answer
of
that,
because
we're
not
there
yet,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
you
know
from
the
process
that
we
put
in
place,
regardless
of
you,
know
where
we
are
where
we
are
right
now
that
mayor
castro's
pick
for
somebody,
who's
accountable
and
responsible
for
the
safety
of
the
city
is
mary
o'connor
and
when
we
bring
up
mary
o'connor
forward,
if
something,
if
it
doesn't
get
confirmed,
then
we'll
have
to
have
that
discussion
at
that
time
and
and
we
all
want
the
best
for
the
city.
E
From
a
responsibility
point
of
view,
she
is
solely
accountable
for
the
public
safety
of
the
city
and
just
like
any
other
hire
that
you
make
you're
going
to
hire
somebody
that
you
feel
can
keep
it
in
the
best
way
possible
and
then
very.
Lastly,
I've
always
appreciated
your
feedback
on
how
to
engage
the
community,
and
it
is
not
a
sales
thing.
It's
a
genuine
face-to-face
community
understanding
when
I
said
that
second
segment
about
going
into
the
neighborhoods
and
reducing
crime,
every
neighborhood
has
unique
challenges.
E
G
If
I
could
just
add
one
last
thing
and-
and
I
won't
go
deep
into
this
conversation
but
as
other
people
have
alluded
all
day
long,
there's
a
there's,
dirtier
nastier
politics
going
on
in
the
city
right
now
than
every
but
anybody's
ever
seen
before
this
city
council
is
under
attack
like
it's
never
been
seen
before,
and
it's
it's
it's
not
about
substance.
It's
about
people
pulling
dirty
politics
and
it's
and
we
all
are
smart
enough,
we're
in
the
community
enough.
We
know
it's,
not
the
people
whose
faces
or
names
are
being
mentioned.
G
We
know
who's
behind
it
and
I
think
some
or
all
of
us
believe
that
staff
are
a
not
supporting
us
and
sometimes
staff
are
working
against
us.
I
hear
rumors
all
the
time,
not
rumors,
but
I
I
mean
we
talk
to.
We
talk
to
the
people
they
talk
to
and
they
tell
us
who's
saying
what
and
if
we're
all
a
team
and
we're
all
a
family.
G
The
just
because
we
disagree
with
an
issue
just
because
I
don't
like
toilet
tap,
doesn't
mean
that
that
somebody
goes
and
leaks,
something
that's
totally
unrelated
to
that
issue,
and
we
need
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
fix
this.
This
underlying
problem
and
and
work
together.
So
the
city
can
move
forward
because
it's
it's
divisive
and
it's
it.
You
know
community
sees
it
for
what
it
is
chaff
to
dis,
distract
the
community
away
from
big
issues.
G
It's
to
try
to
sabotage
political
campaigns
is
for
power
and
money,
and
we've
we've
gotta,
we've
gotta
stop
this,
and
a
good
example
was
when
we
were
talking
about
renting,
while
black
and
the
journalists
found
out
downstairs
that
someone
from
the
mayor's
office
drove
people
to
talk
to
speak
before
city
council,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
if
somebody
from
the
mayor's
office
or
any
other
department
communication,
any
other
department
starts,
gives
people
rides
or
calls
people
to
show
up
here
calls
people
to
send
us
emails
and
suddenly
we
get
a
whole
bunch
of
emails.
G
We'll
know
where
it
came
from
it's
going
to
completely
erode
trust
with
the
administration.
You've
been
a
great
honest
broker
and
you've
helped
deal
across,
but
there
are
some
advisors
of
the
mayor
and
people
in
the
community
that
are
out
there
connected
that
are
that
are
not
honest,
that
all
they
care
about
is
power
and
money
and
care
about
dirty
politics.
They
don't
care
anything
about
this
community.
They
don't
care
what
they
do
to
destroy
this
community
they'll
do
anything
and
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
push
back,
because
this
community
deserves
better.
G
A
G
I
Thanks
so
john
you're,
a
member
and
familiar
with
lots
of
police
organizations,
you
and
I
have
talked
about
them
over
the
years.
I
just
googled
up
police,
chief,
job
searches
and-
and
I
came
up
with
the
international
association
of
chiefs
police.
I
know
hindsight's
20
20,
I'm
not
telling
you
what
you
should
have
done,
but
if
we
got
to
the
point
where
another
search
is
necessary,
you
know
I'm
looking
at
this
website
and
it
and
they've
got
listings
for
good-sized
cities.
I
Under
this
international
association
of
chiefs,
police,
including
knoxville,
tennessee,
seattle,
dubuque,
iowa
and
colorado
springs,
you
know
and
some
of
them
some
of
those
are
bigger
than
tampa
seattle.
Knoxville
might
be,
but
anyway,
so
that's
my
point
is
is
when
we
talk
about
process
and
you
and
I
talk
about
process
all
the
time,
hiring
a
head
hunter,
no
matter
how
qualified
he
or
she
was.
I
To
come
up
with
two
candidates
who
are
virtually
in-house
and
then
this
lady
from
miami
who
was
wonderful,
also
they're,
all
three
wonderful
might
not
have
been
the
nationwide
search
that
frankly,
I
thought
was
going
on
and
that's
part
of
the
communication
breakdown
that
I
think
happened
over
the
last
six
months.
L
I
It's
a
bigger
pain
in
the
butt,
but
at
least
every
single
police
chief
in
every
major
city
could
have
put
eyes
on
it.
Maybe
they
want
to
come
to
florida
for
their
last
five
years
of
their
career
anyway.
So,
like
I
say,
hindsight's
2020,
I'm
not
telling
you
what
you
should
have
done
before,
but
if
we
get
to
that
point,
I'm
going
to
hope
that
we
open
it
up
a
little
bit
bigger.
E
Yeah
and
thanks
for
your
feedback-
and
I
I
won't
go
into
the
nuance
of
the
industry,
but
a
lot
of
times
the
the
agencies
that
we
see
that
post
like
that,
I
always
look
under
the
covers
at
their
performance
levels
and
ask:
why
are
they
having
to
go
out
and
and
look
for
a
chief
in
in
a
different
way
than
understanding
the
industry
and
knowing
all
the
performers
they're?
It's?
E
The
groups
are
very
well
connected
nationally
in
all
the
different
organizations
perf,
the
international
association,
the
chiefs
of
police,
noble,
like
the
chairman,
talked
about
there's
a
gigantic
network,
and
everybody
knows
who's
in
that
primes.
It's
almost
like
saying
tom
brady's,
the
guy
person
to
bring
here
it's
there's
a
very
good
understanding
of
who's
available
and
and
who's
interested
in.
At
that
point,
and
one
of
the
scariest
things
I
always
worried
about
in
florida
is
somebody
wanted
to
come
here
and
retire
as
a
chief,
because
I
mean.
E
A
A
And
mr
mr
talks
about
the
engagement
and
that
issue
has
to
strongly
discuss
with
the
community
the
issue
that
we
all
know,
that's
really
has
really
put
a
hamper
on
this
particular
candidate
and
not
just
the
black
community
but
a
lot
of
communities,
and
that
issue
has
to
really
be
discussed
with
this
particular
candidate
to
make
sure
that
the
community
understands
that
issue.
A
A
Things
are
what
they
are
and
the
candidate
is
going
to
have
to
just
face
the
the
that
situation.
However,
that
situation
was
so
people
can
feel
assured
rest
assured,
and
maybe
the
citizens
babe
will
change
their
mind
to
be
able
to
get
this
council
break,
but
a
little
a
little
knock
from
those
calls
and
emails,
because
we
all
know
what
the
issue
is
and
we
don't
want
to
hurt
the
candidate
or
or
or
down
anybody
who
wants
to
get
a
second
chance
or
anything
like
that,
because
everyone
deserves
that.
A
But
everyone
knows
what
the
issue
is
and
mr
beer,
you
talked
about
the
engagement
that
has
to
happen.
My
biggest
concern
chief
is:
if
what,
if
that
doesn't
happen,
I
I
hear
you
say
we
will
deal
with
that
down
the
road.
I
disagree
with
that.
We
need
the
administration
to
deal
with
that
now,
because
in
case
this,
this
council
votes
that
down
the
administration
needs
to
be
ready
to
put
up
something
in
play
to
say
how
we're
moving
forward.
Let
council
know
how
we're
moving
forward.
A
We
can't
just
keep
going
round
and
round
and
say
we're
going
to
send
somebody
back
some
other
back.
That
doesn't
do
anybody
any
good,
so
I
I
implored
it
that
whenever
you
bring
this
vote
to
us
that
the
administration
have
worked
well
in
advance
to
say
what's
going
to
happen,
if
council
does
not
go
along
with
our
recommendation
instead
of
waiting
to
afters
and
try
to
put
something
in
place,
I
think
that
I,
I
just
think
that's
important.
A
A
No
other
questions
will
let
the
chief
and
mrs
grimes
go
and
we'll
get
on
the
rest
of
the
business.
We
appreciate
them
coming
talking
to
us
all.
Right
have
a
good
afternoon.
A
A
A
L
B
A
Right,
I
I
see
our
city
attorney
is
in
the
room
item
number
73
review
hearing.
M
K
Open
hearing,
73
and
74.
second.
A
M
M
M
As
previously
stated
on
city
council's
role
in
this
matter
is
to
conduct
a
de
novo
hearing.
That
means
city
council
can
take
a
new
out
here.
New
evidence
take
public
testimony
and
make
their
decision
to
determine
base
to
determine,
based
on
the
evidence
submitted
at
this
city
council
meeting,
whether
or
not
the
application
meets
the
standards
in
code
sections,
129
and
132.
M
from
the
staff,
ms
marley,
from
development
growth
management.
She
will
provide
the
background
information
regarding
why
this
this
special
use
application
was
denied
and
the
over
the
overview
of
the
project
as
a
whole.
After
city
council
hears
from
staff
and
the
applicant,
the
petitioner,
I
apologize
city
council
can
take
the
following
action.
D
A
D
A
B
M
E
N
Okay,
so
the
petitioner
is
lisa
rice.
The
address
is
1005
east
emma
street.
It
is
in
seminole
heights
residential
single
family.
The
special
request
was
for
a
single,
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
This
is
the
aerial
of
the
property.
M
This
is
the
ariel
of
the
property,
as
you
can
see,
it's
on
east
emma
street.
N
This
is
the
the
front
of
the
subject
property.
This
is
another
view,
and
this
is
the
rear
of
the
property.
As
you
can
see
on
this
back,
one
here
is
the
existing
accessory,
and
this
is
the
principle.
N
This
is
the
section
of
the
code
section
27
132
x,
for
accessory
dwelling
units.
A
is
that
it
needs
to
be
limited
to
950
square
feet
b.
Is
that
it
needs
to
have
the.
N
The
principal
residing
on
the
property
c
is
that
it
can't
be
in
a
non-conforming
structure
d.
Is
that
only
two
occupants
allowed
and
then
c
is
that
staff
reviews
it
every
year
the.
M
M
N
N
Rent
out
both
the
primary
and
the
accessory
dwelling
and
the
code
requires
the
primary
dwelling
to
be
owned
or
occupied.
This
is
the
site
plan.
This
is
the
existing
house.
This
is
the
proposed
accessory
structure,
there's
another
accessory
structure
here,
so
basically
with
adding
them
together,
they
are
over
the
950
feet.
That's
what's
making
it
non-conforming.
N
If
they
removed
this
structure,
then
they
would
meet,
they
would
not
be
non-conforming,
they
would
be
subject
to
the
accessory
structure
setbacks,
but
because
there's
two
and
this
one
hasn't
been
removed,
they
need
to
meet
principal
structure,
setbacks
and
then
any
questions.
I
Thank
you
ma'am,
so
a
couple
of
things
and
and
camaria.
Thank
you
for
your
I'm
good.
Thank
you
for
your
your
information.
When
you
talk
about
the
additional
accessory
structure,
it's
not
attached
to
to
the
one
next
to
it
it,
but,
at
least
by
by
appearances
on
that,
drawing
I'm
looking
at.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
okay,
and
what
is
the?
What
is
the
current
function
of
that
additional
little
thing
is
it
was
that
a
an
old
garage
or
something
or
a
little
shed,
or
why
do
we?
N
I
I
Okay,
and
do
we
know
what
it's
being
used
for
or
what
it's
been
used
for?
Do
you
have
a
picture?
It's
like
a
garden
shed
correct,
okay,
but
we're
asking
them
to
tear
it
down
in
order
to
make
that
second
structure
conforming.
N
I
said
I
said
if,
if
for
there's,
there
was
two
reasons
why
we
denied
it,
and
the
one
reason
is
because
it's
now
the
the
accessory
structure
would
be
considered
a
non-conforming.
N
O
I
N
The
applicant
lives
out
of
state,
and
so
they
said
they
are
going
to
be.
They
would
be
renting
out
both
the
existing
and
the
accessory
structure.
I
So
maybe
it's
really
not
a
question.
It's
sort
of
a
well
it's
a
kind
of
a
philosophical
thing
has:
has
staff
wrestled
with
that
issue?.
N
Staff
reviews
based
on
what
the
code
is
in
front
of
them,
so
they
need
to
meet
the
a
through
e.
So
those
that's
the
criteria
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
to
review
all.
K
I
I
K
K
K
I
got
it,
but
also,
if
I
may
used
to
be-
and
the
question
is,
does
the
city
inspected?
Yes,
they
do.
Gloria
moretta
was
very
emphatically
in
her
department
and
I'm
sure
it's
still
carrying
on
every
year.
They
would
go
check
and
the
law
read
that
if
it
was
a
family
member
and
you
had
to
show
proof
that
was
lineage
by
blood,
you
can
move
them
into
an
accessory
structure
and
every
year
the
city
would
come
in
and
check
that
that
person
was
there.
K
P
B
P
P
Much
first
off
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
allowing
me
to
go
through
this
process
appeals.
I
was
informed
early
on
by
the
buildings
department
that
the
violation
I
received
on
one
of
my
properties
was
an
unusual
situation
and
the
permit
I
needed
to
pull
did
not
exist
for
my
particular
circumstance.
P
In
2009,
I
received
a
horrific
phone
call
that
my
brother,
robert
rice,
died
in
a
fire,
a
house
fire.
I
was
then
made
aware
that
I
was
to
become
the
personal
representative
of
his
estate.
Of
course,
this
was
an
overwhelming
event
for
me
and
I
was
told
to
hire
the
best
attorneys
to
assist
in
settling
the
estate.
P
I
was
very
well
aware
of
the
properties,
because
this
is
how
my
brother
made
a
living,
and
I
specifically
recall
in
2003,
he's
showing
me
his
newly
purchased
rental
properties
on
emma
street
and
how
excited
he
was
by
those
purchases.
At
that
visit,
I
observed
four
full
fully
operational
rental
properties.
P
P
However,
after
six
and
a
half
years
of
probate,
I
became
the
proud
owner
of
four
rental
incomes
on
emma
street,
as
well
as
one
in
income
on
west
north
street
all
located
in
the
tampa
area.
When
the
properties
were
finally
transferred
over
to
me,
I
then
put
them
into
my
own
llc
and
continued
renting
them
out.
P
Please
keep
in
mind
that
these
excuse
me
that
these
properties
went
through
proper
title
searches
etc,
as
well
as
through
my
attorneys
prior
to
my
purchasing
them,
so
once
they
were
in
my
name,
I
just
continued
to
do
what
my
attorneys
had
told
me
to
do
for
the
prior
seven
years.
I
also
took
great
pride
in
these
properties
and
in
my
tenants
should
they
need
anything
all
they
needed
to
do
was
text
me,
and
the
issue
would
be
resolved
as
soon
as
possible.
P
This
landlord
business
became
something
I
really
enjoyed
and
wanted
to
excel
at.
I
was
also
the
assumption
that
the
tree
action
transactions
of
properties
were
legal
throughout
the
entire
probate
process.
My
very
expensive
attorneys
constantly
told
me
to
continue
doing
as
my
brother
had
done.
Never
in
my
wildest
dreams
was
I
aware
that
the
back
house
at
1005
east
emma
street
was
not
permitted
properly.
P
It
was
not
until
the
end
of
may
of
2021
that
I
received
a
text
from
a
tenant
complaining
that
he
thought
he
had
mold
in
the
house.
This
is
the
back
house
that
we
are
referring
to.
I
immediately
got
on
the
phone
and
called
a
motory
mold
remediation
company.
They
went
out
and
did
some
testing
and
informed
me
that
the
mold
was
so
incredibly
minimal
that
all
I
had
to
do
was
rent
an
air
scrubber
from
home
depot.
Let
it
run
for
48
hours
and
the
issue
would
be
resolved.
P
I
did
just
as
they
said,
but
my
tenant
still
complained.
He
sent
me
photos
of
the
ac
units
and
complained
that
there
was
mold
in
there.
I
immediately
bought
him
two
new
ac
units.
He
still
complained.
I
then
had
a
contract
to
vent
the
closet
and
also
install
new
windows
and
front
doors.
None
of
this
was
good
enough
for
the
tenant,
so
he
then
decided
to
call
the
building
department
claiming
he
was
living
in
a
moldy
dump
with
an
unresponsive
landlord
and
wanted
them
to
see
the
issue.
P
Mr
ishmael
gonzalez
from
the
violations
department
came
down.
He
did
not
find
any
mold.
Instead,
he
found
a
home
that
was
most
people
would
be
thrilled
to
live
in.
However,
there,
while
they're
there,
he
did
fine
me
for
not
getting
proper
permitting
for
the
windows
and
doors
I
needed
to
fix
some
fencing.
P
I
needed
to
get
a
clearance
on
extermination
as
well
as
cut
down
some
of
the
growth
on
the
property,
all
of
which
has
been
properly
rectified.
But,
to
my
great
surprise,
I
also
received
a
violation
for
not
having
that
back
house
at
1005
east
chemistry,
properly
permitted
for
being
a
rental
property.
I
was
in
other
shock.
How
could
this
be?
My
brother
was
most
certainly
under
the
assumption
that
all
these
properties
he
bought
were
properly
permitted.
P
Why
would
a
title
search
allow
such
a
purchase?
Why
had
this
never
been
brought
to
any
of
our
attention
in
all
these
years?
I
proceeded
to
do
some
research
on
the
purchases
of
that
property,
and
all
I
could
find
out
was
that
back
in
1969,
a
permit
was
pulled
to
build
a
garage.
I
then
tried
contacting
the
previous
owner
the
one
who
sold
the
property
to
my
brother
to
see
when
he
actually
converted
this
so-called
garage
into
a
rental
property.
P
P
We
don't
know
if
a
garage
was
the
actual
outcome
of
that
permit
pulled
in
1969,
or
did
they
just
build
the
rental
property
to
start?
But
what
I
am
well
aware
of
is
that
for
a
minimum
of
the
past
20
years,
this
property
has
been
successfully
rented
out.
This
property
in
question
has
its
own
electric
meter.
How
is
that
possible?
It
was
never
properly
permitted.
I
have
a
copy
of
the
latest
electric
bill
with
me.
Should
you
wish
to
see
it?
The
home
has
its
own
mailbox
and
mailing
address.
P
P
I
have
brought
photos
with
me
to
show
you
that
no
way
is
this:
a
dump
but
a
lovely
home
that
people
would
be
thrilled
to
live
in.
I've
prided
myself
for
renting
to
the
less
fortunate
and
I've
always
kept
my
rents
reasonable
in
the
back
house
of
1007
east
emma
street,
which
I
also
inherited
have
this.
I
have
the
same
tenant
living
there
since
2008.
She
was
actually
a
tenant
from
where
my
brother
was
alive.
She
started
back
then,
with
a
rent
of
five
hundred
dollars.
P
P
P
Before
I
read
that,
though
I
just
would
like
to
finish,
should
you
permit
me
to
continuing
renting
this
home
out
like
it
has
been
doing
so
for
decades,
then
I
would
have
the
honor
of
being
able
to
once
again
offer
my
home
to
the
less
fortunate,
and
you
would
also
have
the
ability
to
additionally
tax
the
home,
so
you,
the
government,
would
now
be
getting
an
additional
income
as
well,
especially
in
these
times
when
affordable
housing
is
at
a
minimum
and
rental
and
sale
problem
prices
are
out
of
control.
P
P
P
P
P
Okay,
you
see
that
so
that's
one
of
the
pictures
from
the
front
house,
another
picture
of
the
house:
here's
a
photo
of
the
whole
house,
you
can
see
brand
new
windows
brand
new
doors
and
what
you're
seeing
also
is
brand
new
storm
windows
still
have
the
stickers
on
them
here,
you're
going
to
see
a
gorgeous
brand
new
kitchen,
always
all
my
properties
are
in
immaculate
shape.
Okay,
I'd
say
pride
in
it.
This
is
what
I
do
not
want
to
see
destroyed.
P
Here's
some
more
the
bedroom,
we're
going
into
a
bathroom.
You
could
see
the
door
in
there
beautiful
functioning
bathroom,
like
I
said,
it's
a
lovely,
lovely
home.
Okay.
Now,
just
a
couple
of
comments
about
the
woman
that
came
on
prior
explaining
a
few
things.
Yes,
it
is
a
fact
I
am
not
the
I
do
not
live
in
the
home
up
front.
I
live
in
new
york
city.
These
were
inherited.
I
inherited
the
properties
again
they
were
there
for
months.
Another
thing,
unfortunately,
with
the
plan
that
she
showed
the
landscape
plan.
P
I
unfortunately
got
the
plan
from
some
company
that
apparently
only
did
a
google
search.
They
didn't
actually
go
there.
I
was
not
aware
of
that.
There
is
no
shed
on
the
property
any
longer.
Once
mr
gonzalez
gave
me
the
fine,
I
remove
the
shed.
That
is
not
there.
The
back
house
itself
measures.
I
think
it's
20
by
25
feet
or
something
in
no
way
does
it
get
to
that
950
square
foot
limit.
P
So
let
me
just
read
a
couple
of
quick
letters.
If
you
don't
mind,
first
letter
is
from
a
tenant
named
dusty
myers
who
lived
in
that
back
house
in
question.
For
six
years.
My
name
is
dusty
myers
and
I
lived
at
1005
and
a
half
for
six
years.
I
was
totally
shocked
when
lisa
told
me
that
she
was
informed
that
the
home
was
not
legally
permitted.
This
made
no
sense
to
me
while
living
there.
I
had
my
own
electric
meter
readings.
P
P
She's,
an
outstanding
landlord
and
questioning
the
legality
of
the
home
seems
baffling
to
me
and
the
only
reason
I
left
the
property
was
because
lisa
was
so
generous,
with
keeping
my
rent
reasonably
low,
that
I
was
finally
able
to
save
enough
money
to
buy
my
own
home
never
had.
I
had
a
landlord
that
was
so
attentive
and
considerate
to
my
needs.
P
I'm
hopeful
that
you
realize
that
this
is
a
beautiful
home
that
you
go
to
a
well-deserving
family,
not
that's,
not
some
dump
that
needs
to
be
torn
down
and
converted
back
into
a
garage
which
would
benefit
no
one
at
all.
I
hope
this
helps
lisa's
cause.
Thank
you
for
her
time
and
consideration
and
then
one
other.
I
have
two
others,
but
I'm
only
going
to
read
one
more
excuse
me:
I'm
sorry!
This
is
from
the
tenant,
because
I
also
want
1005
a
70,
stemmer
and
1007
and
a
half
east
emma.
P
P
I've
been
extremely
happy
with
her
throughout
my
entire
time
at
this
property,
this
is
always
very
easily
accessibly
accessible
and
responds
to
every
question
or
situation.
I've
been
me.
I
have
immediately
her
property
is
well
taken
care
of
and
and
the
few
maintenance
issues
I've
had
over
the
years
have
been
fixed
the
same
or
the
next
day.
I've
never
had
a
problem
that
lisa
wasn't
willing
to
address
swiftly
and
completely.
P
In
my
experience,
lisa
goes
above
and
beyond
most
landlords
that
I've
rented
from
she
always
provides
items
for
the
home
when
she
comes
to
visit,
makes
sure
that
I'm
happy
with
everything
both
inside
and
outside.
She
even
helps
out
with
some
tenant
responsibilities
whenever
she
can
she's
proactive,
easy
to
work
with
and
has
always
respected
us
and
our
space.
I've
had
at
least
five
landlords
in
my
life,
and
I
could
say
with
certainty
that
lisa
has
been
the
easiest
to
work
with.
P
This
is
something
this
is
I'm
not
asking
for
something
new
to
be
done.
I
am
pleading
with
you
to
please.
Let
continue
what's
been
happening
for
literally
decades.
In
that
property,
it's
a
beautiful
home,
it
needs
to
go
to
a
family
if
it
was
turned
back
into
garage.
I'd,
be
forced
to
then
sell
the
front
house
because
I
could
no
longer
afford
with
the
skyrocketing
real
estate
taxes
and
such
to
maintain
the
home.
P
Q
No,
I
haven't
myself.
No,
I
just
wanted
to
be
here
to
support
lisa,
just
because
she's
been
a
really
really
really
awesome
landlord.
Did
you
state.
A
Many
minutes
do
we
have
left
30
seconds.
Okay
got
30
seconds
now.
Q
Okay,
I
just
I
really
just
appreciate
that
she
keeps
rental
costs
low.
I've
been
there
for
two
years
and
I
love
my
house
and
I
just
don't
want
to
move
so
I'm
here
to
just
help
in
any
way
that
I
can
I'm
just
saying
that
she's
a
great
landlord
and
I'm
very
happy
with
the
property,
and
I
would
like
to
continue
living
there
so.
P
You
know
legal,
I
wouldn't
be
more
than
happy
to
do,
but
please
do
not
ask
me
to
turn
it
back
into
a
garage
that
would
be
useless
and
take
away
family
housing
from
what
everyone
knows
is
desperately
needed
in
this
city.
Right
now,.
M
Kamari
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
just
want
to
remind
members
of
city
council
that
your
role
is
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
applicant
meets
the
code.
The
criteria,
that's
establishing
code,
section,
127,
129
and
specifically
132
of
the
code
and
I've
provided
those
code
sections
in
your
packets
in
regards
to
item
number
73..
M
Additionally,
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
and
miss
marley
can
go
into
more
detail,
but
it's
submitted
through
the
clerk's
office
with
the
application
was
a
staff
report
from
the
transportation
department
stating
that
there
are
additional
items
that
the
property
owner
must
complete.
In
order
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
transportation
code,
she
does
not
meet
the
parking
requirements.
M
There
is
a
staff
report
on
that
matter.
So
that's
an
additional
item
that
she
would
have
to
address.
But
overall,
the
applicant
has
to
demonstrate
that
she
is
in
compliance
or
meets
the
code
criteria
as
establishing
code
section,
129
and
132,
and
your
emotions
sample
motions
that
I
provided
is
whether
or
not
city
council
wants
to
affirm
the
the
denial
of
the
zoning
administrator
or
based
upon
the
applicant,
not
meeting
those
specific
code.
Sections
or
reversing
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
waiving
the
code
requirements.
P
A
A
couple
questions
I've
heard
the
applicant
say
that
this
is
this.
Property
has
been
there
for
decades
as
a
house
there
for
decades,
do
we
have
we?
Can
we
confirm
how
long
this
has
been
there
any
anything
in
our
record,
since
it's
so
old?
As
you
know,.
M
Miss
marley
should
still
be
online.
She
could
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
I
I
think
what
she's
going
to
say
is
that
this
is
not
before
you
as
a
formal
decision.
I
don't
know
if
the
property
property
owner
went
through
a
formal
decision
process.
What's
before
you
is
whether
or
not
city
council
will
approve
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
That's
what
this
application
is
about
is
a
special
use
requirement,
specially
used
application
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
not
a
formal
decision
regarding
the
non-conformity
or
the
conformity
of
that
accessory
structure
in
the
back.
B
A
All
right,
any
any
questions.
A
I
mean
again,
it's
you
know,
that's
your
turn.
That's
your
turn,
man.
Not
your
turn.
No
one
else
do
we
have
anybody
ready
to
speak
on
the
side?
No
one
is.
A
If
you
want
to
speak,
you
have
five
additional
minutes
to.
I
had
a
staff
question
all
right,
mr
dean,
follow
you
recognize.
B
I
P
M
Pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
yes,
there
is
a
notice
requirement
that,
during
the
underlying
application
phase,
that
has
to
be
met
and
also
for
this
review
here
there
is
a
notice
requirement
and
there
is
staff.
M
Including
all
relevant
neighborhood
associations-
that's
correct.
There
is
one
letter
of
objection
that
was
submitted
in
the
packet.
It's
from
margaret
sells.
S-E-L-L-S
city
council
should
have
received
a
copy
of
that
in
the
packet,
not
in
my
packet,
but
in
this
from
the
city
council,
when
it
the
the
application
was
submitted.
But
there
is
a
letter
of
objection
in
in
the
packet.
A
P
I
just
want
everyone
to
understand
that
this
property
has
literally
been
there
since
1969.
I
went
through
all
legal
aspects
in
order
to
buy
it.
No
one
ever
mentioned
anything
and,
like
we
know,
1007
in
the
back
seems
to
be
legal.
I
had
no
idea,
no
one
in
for
me,
so
I'm
just
doing
what
has
been
happening
for
decades
and
I'm
pleading
this
in
this
market.
Today,
housing
is
at
such
a
minimum,
especially
affordable,
rental
properties,
and
it
I
no
matter
what
whatever
you
need.
You
want
a
different
driveway.
P
I
Okay,
so
I'm
reading
the
letter,
the
email
from
miss
margaret
sells-
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
child.
I
don't
know.
I
It
it's
part
of
the
it's
part
of
the
file,
but
I'll
read
the
relevant
part.
It
says
the
alt
the
accessory
dual
unit.
The
purpose
of
the
accessorygee
is
objectionable
because
the
owners
of
the
property
do
not
have
an
entrance
or
exit
for
the
property,
except
through
a
back
gate
which
opens
directly
in
an
alley
which
that
goes
the
entire
length
between
the
streets
of
emma
and
chelsea.
I
This
is
an
easement
right
away
for
utility
companies,
which
does
not
allow
extended
vehicle
parking
plus
or
other
residents
who
back
up
the
alley
who
exit
their
properties
and
drive
along
the
alley.
Who
cannot
do
so
if
their
cars
parked
in
the
alley?
If
the
owners
will
provide
on-street
parking
or
parking
in
their
driveway
or
parking
anywhere,
except
for
parking
in
the
alley,
then
it
would
not
be
a
problem.
However,
that
does
not
seem
to
be
in
the
plan,
so
I'm
against
the
special
use
permit.
So.
P
I
will
immediately
go
and
marlene.
The
front
house
has
plenty
of
room
just
like
1007
does
I
have
it
from
marlene's.
Driveway
goes
right
back
to
the
house.
I
can
most
certainly
have
that
happen
again.
Please
understand.
I
had
no
idea
that
any
of
this
was
illegal.
If
you
want
me
to
close
off
the
the
access
to
the
alley,
no
problem,
I
can
very
easily
if
you
saw
the
property,
extend
marlene's
driveway
to
the
back
house,
so
the
tenant
will
be
only
going
in
and
out
from
emma
street.
P
P
K
K
K
That
is
responsible
for
things
that
have
happened,
but
there's
in
one
little
area,
232
in
about
a
six
square
block
area
that
are
all
and
they're
all
catching
them
one
by
one.
Now,
with
this
new
new
force
that
we
have
so
I'm
caught
between
a
fence
and
a
rock-
and
I
don't
know
which
way
to
move
because
I
want
to
help-
I
don't
want
no
one
to
be
homeless.
P
I
have
to
sell
them
because
I
can't
I
can't
maintain
it
without
any
income
from
the
back
property.
It
just
makes
no
sense
and
and
again
the
the
only
reason
I
rent
I
read
to
you
these.
I
could
understand
why
it
makes
sense
that
you
want
a
homeowner
on
the
property.
Should
anything
go
wrong.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
someone's
going
to
fix
that
and
be
there
right
there
for
you.
But
I
read
these
letters
to
you.
P
P
K
P
Well
then,
let's
just
focus
on
you
know
this
town
needing
affordable
housing
because
that's,
I
think,
the
bigger
picture
here
than
a
piece
of
paper.
But
again
I
will
do
whatever
is
necessary.
Just.
A
So
we
don't
have
to
thank
you
mayor
for
your
comments,
any
other
questions
from
council
members
for
legal
staff.
Mr
mascalco,
thank
you
so
much
close
the
second
same
by
mr
dainfield,
all
in
favor
all
right.
Let
me
pull
the
motion
granted
I'll,
be
glad
to
my
promotion.
All
right,
mr
dean.
I
Mr
chairman,
based
upon
the
facts
and
testimony
of
that
we've
heard
today,
I'm
going
to
move
to
overturn
the
zone
decision
I'll
move
to
overturn
the
zoning
administration's
denial
of
special
use.
Application
su
21-76
for
the
property
located
at
1005
east
emma
street,
because
petitioner
demonstrated
that
the
applicable,
generous
applicable
general
standards
set
forth
in
section
27,
132
and
27
129
should
be
waived
by
city
council.
A
Say
by
mr
yesterday
I.
K
Believe
there
was
something's
got
to
be
added
that
the
the
field
of
council
that
the
young
lady
who
owns
the
property
has
agreed
to
close
something
and
make
parking
and
do
some
whatever
renovations
right.
I
Something,
I
think,
that's
hard
to
be
put
on
the
record
yeah
subject
to
approval
by
transportation,
because
transportation
does
have
comments
on
there
and
and
this
young
lady
is
going
to
have
to
revise
our
site
plan
to
deal
with
transportation.
All
right.
A
P
P
Correct,
yes,
I'm.
M
Sorry,
kamari
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
mr
chair
item,
number
74
is
also
a
petition
for
review
hearing.
M
Unlike
the
previous
application,
this
is
a
petition
for
review
regarding
a
laney's
board
decision,
so
this
application,
or
this
petition,
is
regarding
a
review
from
the
architectural
review
commission,
who
denied
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
for
a
vinyl
chain
link
fence
that
was
installed
on
the
south
and
the
east
sides
of
the
property.
M
The
application
was
heard
by
the
architectural
review
commission
on
august,
2nd
2021
and,
as
I
previously
stated,
the
board
denied
the
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
I
previously
handed
city
council
members
the
tampa
heights
design
guidelines
regarding
this
matter,
the
sample
motions
and
the
rules
of
procedure
in
order
to
conduct
the
hearing.
M
As
similar
to
the
previous
review
hearing,
this
city
council
is
now
able
to
conduct
a
de
novo
review
hearing.
That
means
the
city
council
can
take
new
testimony,
can
accept
new
evidence
and
based
upon
in
public
testimony
and
based
upon
the
evidence
that
is
heard
and
submitted
onto
the
record
city
council
can
determine
whether
or
not
the
petitional
the
petitioner
meets
the
standards
for
the
tampa
heights
design.
Guidelines.
M
Missy
lane
lund,
is
appearing
remotely
and
will
explain
to
city
council
the
architectural
review
application
and
the
board's
decision
after
miss
lund
and
the
petitioner
speaks
city
council
can
take
the
following
action.
City
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
the
architectural
review
commission
and
deny
their
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
M
City
council
can
remand
the
item
back
to
the
architectural
review
commission
with
direction
for
the
board
to
consider
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
architectural
review
commission
and
thereby
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
is
requested
by
the
applicant,
the
petitioner
I
apologize,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
ms
lund.
Mr.
D
Again,
to
have
the
with
regard
to
this
item
number
74
our
arc,
21-2
296,
to
be
have
any
ex
parte
written
documents
received
pursuant
to
286.0115
by
motion.
Please
thank
you
very.
D
And
also
counsel,
if
there
have
been
any
verbal
ex
parte
communications,
please
disclose
them
and
miss
pettis
mackel
did
bring
to
my
attention
and
it
is
in
the
city
council's
file
and
it
was
sent
to
the
council
quasi
box
a
a
letter
from
an
email
from
brian
seal,
the
president
of
the
tampa
high
civic
association
relative
to
in
opposition
to
this
petition.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
acknowledged
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
sir
number
74
and
miss
lud's
down.
N
Okay,
good
afternoon
council,
elaine
lund,
architectural
review
commission
staff.
I
have
not
been
sworn
all.
B
N
So,
as
council
stated,
this
is
an
item
that
was
reviewed
by
the
architectural
review
commission
and
denied
unanimously
by
that
board.
It's
regarding
a
property
located
at
2510
north
central
avenue
in
the
tampa
heights
historic
district.
N
Okay,
I
believe
that's
correct
the
design
guidelines
for
fences
and
walls
in
the
tampa
heights.
Historic
district
state
that
vinyl
clad
chain
link
fencing
shall
not
be
used
on
a
portion
of
a
corner
lot
that
faces
a
public
street
and
that
it
may
only
be
used
in
the
rear
yard.
N
N
N
N
And
this
is
the
rear
of
the
property.
You
can
see
the
existing
fence
as
it's
been
in
place
for
some
time
around
the
parking
lot
there
and
beyond
that
you
can
see
where
the
vinyl
clad
chain
link
fence
has
been
installed.
N
This
is
another
shot
showing
the
transition
between
the
fences,
so
you
can
see
where
the
the
existing
fence
ended
and
the
the
new
fence
proposed
fence
begins.
B
I
N
I
Then
it
is
permitted,
so
is
this
sec?
The
long
section
along
that
alley?
Is
that
part
of
the
alleged
violation,
because
it's
on
the
rear
or
well.
N
It's
the
violation
is
for
work
without
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
The
this
portion
of
the
chain
link
fence
along
the
rear
of
the
property
along
the
alley
is
something
that
would
be
approved
if
they
had
requested
it.
I
N
Correct
looking
north
along
central
avenue,
this
is
the
east
side
of
the
property.
You
can
see
the
the
fence
continues
up
to
the
near
the
front
of
the
building.
There.
N
N
N
N
So
the
intention
of
the
historic
district
design
guidelines
is
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
district
and
new
elements
when
introduced
should
be
compatible
with
and
sensitive
to
the
historic
district.
N
So,
finally,
I
would
like
you
to
note
that
you,
as
your
council,
has
noted
that
you
have
received
a
letter
from
the
tampa
high
civic
association
in
opposition
to
this
requested
fence,
so
I
am
available
for
your
questions.
Thank
you.
D
A
D
Okay,
is
it
possible,
then,
we'll
hold
this
one
in
a
bands,
while
he's
able
to
log
on
number
23,
there
was
a
request
about
gene
duncan
being
able
to
yes.
A
A
Dean
felder,
I
think
mr
carlson,
in
reference
to
that
item,
number
23
on
the
staff
reports.
Oh.
D
I
My
question
of
my
question
to
mr
mr
hart,
and
I
apologize
it
was
yesterday
instead
of
my
normal
saturday
questions,
but
was
what
was
the
so
so
this
particular
item
is
a
sort
of
a
general
contract
with
a
lot
of
vendors.
I
I
don't
can't
remember
how
many
vendors
that
we
use
for
small
jobs
and
is
it
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
jock
contract
or
not,
but
but
anyway.
So
my
question
was
what
percentage,
how
many
of
those
vendors
are?
Bbe
black
business,
owned
businesses
and
what
percentage
of
last
year's
dollars
were
spent
with
the
bbe
vendors?
Mr
hart.
A
We're
doing
this
under
miss
duncan
mr
hart.
I
O
O
C
Hi,
this
is
mike
shepherd
contract
administration
department,
and
this
is
not
part
of
jocks.
This
is
a
completely
separate
program.
A
R
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
jim
broner
to
explain
the
process.
We
have
conducted
the
same
process
for
many
many
years
following
the
ccna
guidelines
of
approving
a
number
of
a
e
which
is
our
architects
and
engineer
set
of
consultants
for
potential
work
order,
contracts
for
city
projects
that
are
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
less
that
we
we
conduct
this
process
every
single
year
and
it
expands
our
footprint
of
approved
consultants
that
we
can
use
for
work
and
I'll.
Let
jim
brenner
share
a
little
more
of
the
details
of
that
process.
O
Yes,
sir,
we
do
this
process
is
now
done
every
six
months.
So,
six
months
ago
we
started
with
160
firms.
This
is
the
adding
of
116
firms
that
are
available
to
us
for
small
engineering
and
architectural
services.
O
We
report
on
these
you've
got
a
report
that
was
probably
sent
to
you
in
november
reporting
on
last
fiscal
year's
distribution
listed
each
of
the
names
of
the
firms
that
received
actual
work
and
that's
the
report
from
which
gregory
has
reported
that
participation.
I
Mr
default,
thank
you
jim,
so
what
so
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
couple
of
years
or
more
correct,
30.?
Okay,
that's
a
few,
and
obviously
I
I
I'm
sure
none
of
us
are
overly
thrilled
with
five
percent
bbe
and
or
seven
percent
bbe
spending.
I
You
know
how.
How
does
that
compare
to
the
year
before.
O
It's
about
the
same,
and
this
kind
of
participation
for
engineering
and
architectural
work
is
much
higher
than
almost
any
other
of
the
city's
professional
services
in,
in
general,
we're
probably
30
some
percent
participation
with
minority
businesses
on
this
program.
Each
time
an
opportunity
comes
up.
We
find
the
firms
who
are
available.
We
have
we
advertise
for
like
60
different
disciplines.
Sometimes
we
engage
people
who
have
just
a
one-person
office
up
to
the
big
multinational
firms
that
we
can
pull
from
and
every
time
we
consider
a
work
order.
O
We
think
about
the
small
and
minority
businesses
and
so
forth
that
might
be
available
for
each
and
every
of
the
work
quarters.
That's
why
we
have
such
high
participation
numbers.
G
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
just
not
going
to
vote
in
favor
of
contracts
like
this
anymore
or
proposals
like
this.
This
is
how
we
end
up
with
issues
like,
and
these
may
be
smaller
ones,
but
these
how
we
end
up
with
issues
like
an
engineering
firm
that
proposes
a
multi-billion
dollar
experimental
project
that
we
don't
need.
That's
never
been
done
in
any
of
the
city
and
wants
to
use
us
as
a
test
study.
G
It's
how
we
end
up
with
problems
like
hannah
avenue,
108
million
dollar
project
that
wasn't
put
out
for
rfp.
L
G
Pro
the
public
doesn't
trust
the
process
anymore,
and
I
think
we
ought
to.
We
ought
to
look
at
these
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
instead
of-
and
maybe
they
all
will
come
up
before
us
as
contracts
anyway.
But
there
needs
to
be
more
transparency,
openness
in
the
process
of
hiring
these
consultants,
we've
had
some
big
discussions
that
we've
tried
to
have
big
consultants
about
it,
except
that
the
some
of
the
administrators
apparently
don't
want
to
have
conversations
about
this
in
public.
G
A
Well,
mr
cross,
just
because
you
you
said
that
I
got
a
couple
of
strange
calls
about
the
hannah
project
yesterday
and
they
were
people
had
a
lot
of
different
ideas.
They
were
talking
about
and
they
tell
me
it
was
a
good
meeting
over
there.
Yesterday
I
kind
of
froze
through
and
went
out
and
a
lot
of
things
came
up
about
ebo
and
you
know
a
lot
of
things
that
people
are
asking
to
do
and
you're
right.
A
G
Say
that
I'll
just
say
the
name
brad
came
before
us
and
said
we
don't
do
not
no
bid
contracts,
there
are
no
no
bid
contracts
and
then,
in
the
next
sentence
we
found
out
that
108
million
dollar
contract
had
not
gone
out
for
bid.
So
how
do
we
trust
anybody's
opinion
in
any
of
this?
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't,
if
we
have
a
108
million
dollar
project
that
we
thought
we
we've
told,
our
role
to
staff
is
don't
bring
anything
before
us.
Unless
it's
been
openly
bid
and
advertise
us.
G
You
know
the
last
last
mayor
was
famous
for
having
targeted
bids
and
we
need
to
have
an
open
bidding
system
so
that
people
can
bid
so
that
we
get
good
ideas.
It
has
to
have
mbe
participation
and
it
has
to
have
an
apprenticeship
program
and
when
they
bring
before
us
a
contract
that
doesn't
have
any
of
those
three
and
they
don't
tell
us
and
then
they
deny
it
and
then
they
and
then
they
say
oh
yeah,
we
don't
have
any
that
aren't
for.
But
how
do
we
trust
any
of
it?
G
A
O
Yeah,
this
is,
is
not
a
multi-million
dollar
contract
or
an
award
of
any
dollar
amount
to
any
firm.
This
is
our
semi-annual
collection
of
firms
that
we
will
have
available
to
us
to
issue
small
work
assignments
throughout
the
course
of
the
year.
We've
been
doing
it
that
way
for
30
years
and
each
and
every
such
work
order
is
reported
to
you
on
a
quarterly
basis,
and
that
last
annual
report
shows
the.
I
Yes,
gentlemen,
I'm
jane,
I'm
I'm
familiar
with
with
the
concept.
I
know,
we've
been
doing
it
a
long
time.
I
Mr
bennett
had
advised
us
and
reassured
us
that
using
a
similar
program,
which
was
the
jock
program,
I
know
that's
construction,
not
planning
and
engineering,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
similar
concept
in
terms
of
having
companies
on
standby
and
we
can
order,
you
know,
do
quick
purchase
orders
to
them,
so
the
concept
is
similar
and
but
mr
bennett
and
mr
moreno,
I
remember
you
had
problems
with
the
jock
contract,
but
mr
bennett
assured
us
that,
as
we
proceeded
over
these
last
couple
years,
that
we
would
be
doing
better
and
better
with
the
wimby
and
specifically
with
the
bbe
by
using
these
types
of
programs,
including
the
jock
program,
and
I
assume
including
this
program.
I
But
again,
you
know
to
me:
five
percent
is
not
great.
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
proactive
recruiting
we've
been
doing
to
get
more.
You
know.
Minority
and
black
engineering
firms
on
board
to
participate
and
seven
percent
of
the
total
dollar
amount
is
not
over.
You
know
is
not
overly
impressive,
so
you
know
my
leaning.
R
Yes,
if
I
could
just
add
and-
and
maybe
jim
garner,
can
add
some
detail,
this
process
that
we
go
through
is
extremely
beneficial
to
particularly
the
smaller
businesses
out
there,
because
what
we're
doing
is
we're
going
through
a
cycle
of
approval
for
these
firms
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
do
work
for
the
city
rather
than
having
them
submit
a
proposal
for
every
single
project
that
they're
interested
in
and
when
you
have
a
project,
that's
under
200
000,
and
you
have
to
provide
an
individual
proposal
for
every
item
that
just
because
it
comes,
you
know,
cost
and
efficient
for
those
companies
to
continue
to
ask
to
do
work
for
the
city.
R
So
it's
for
the
benefit
of
the
companies
that
we
have
this
process,
so
they
go
through
on
a
cyclical
basis,
an
approval
process
so
that
they
can
be
eligible
for
the
when
that
work
does
come
along.
The
second
part
of
that
is
when
we
select
a
handful
of
potential
firms
that
we
want
to
use
for
a
task.
R
A
They
ask
for
way
too
much
information.
They
want
way
too
much
financials.
They
want
way
too
much
way
too
much
this
and
I
contend,
we
don't
hear
these
concerns.
When
you
go
over
to
that
airport
over
there-
and
you
could
tell
me
they
got
different
kind
of
contract
whatever,
but
even
with
that
and
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
folks
over
there
several
times
some
of
the
top
people
and
they
say
that
people
people
told
them
same
thing
that
our
process
is
too
strenuous.
A
So
I
think
maybe
we
need
to
start
looking
at
our
process
and
reevaluating
in
this
type
market
this
type
day
and
still
have
a
good
product
to
put
out
for
people
but
making
sure
people
can
be
able
to
apply
and
be
able
to
get
in
on
to
get
in,
and
that's
what
I
see.
That's
what
I
hear,
and
that
is
my
concern-
that
people
are
not
being
able
to
really
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
process,
because
our
process
is
too
strenuous.
O
Gregory
heart
speaking,
ebo
division
as
a
dovetail
to
jane's
comments
and
cad
folks,
please
I'll
yield
if
I'm
getting
outside
my
lane,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
work
order.
Agreement
contract
as
gene
was
outlining.
The
participants
that
are
registered
under
that
program
must
pass
and
meet
the
state
statute,
as
it
relates
to
ccna
type
disciplines,
and
everyone
is
invited
and
solicited
by
the
cad
department
to
submit
applications
to
be
eligible
and
approved
to
be
on
that
list.
O
As
I
mentioned
earlier
of
that
list,
we
currently
have
approximately
14
bbes,
who
have
the
requisite
license
under
state
statute.
They've
met
the
I
believe,
it's
the
form
aia43335
or
the
light.
Please
correct
me
cat.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong
and
we
do
go
out
and
solicit
any
bbes
and
other
minorities
who
have
those
disciplines
and
have
the
state-approved
statute,
credentials,
cad
reviews
that
eligibility
criteria,
and
then
they
come
on
the
list
and
come
before
council
for
approval.
O
I
mentioned
the
5
availability,
that's
representative
of
those
14
firms,
that's
what
we
have.
The
availability
is
directly
correlated
with
utilization.
Our
utilization
is
seven
percent.
So
what
that
essentially
means
is
that,
while
we
are
always
attempting
and
will
improve,
we
have
five
percent
availability,
but
yet
we
achieve
seven
percent
utilization.
O
So
in
the
in
the
in
the
realm
of
parity
disparity
and
the
legal
parameters,
one
would
conclude
that
the
city
is
is,
is
trending
above
parity
and
exceeding
and
will
continue
to
try
and
increase
its
availability
as
well
as
it's
it's
its
utilization.
So
those
numbers
do
seem
quite
small.
I
agree,
but
they
are
in
fact
relative
to
bbes
in
our
community
who
have
those
licenses
they're
on
our
list
and
we're
utilizing
them
currently
at
a
rate
above
their
their
their
representation.
O
We
hope
to
improve
to
improve
both
those
categories
of
of
of
availability
as
well
as
utilization.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
adds
a
little
bit
more
clarity,
gene
and
mike
and
and
jim
to
to
your
work
order
agreement
program.
R
And
I
think
jim
crocker
wanted
to
add
one
more
detail
as
well.
If
you
don't
want
to.
O
Yeah,
the
the
matter
before
you,
the
resolution
approving
the
116
firms,
reflects
an
easy
process.
The
every
engineer
and
architect
firm
who
applied
is
selected
and
included
in
this
list
for
you
to
approve
for
us
that
is
available
to
make
assignments
in
the
coming
years.
I
The
day
is
getting
long
and
and
and
I'd
like
to
just
move
to
continue
this
for
a
month.
The
item
23.
Perhaps
the
administration,
can
brief
us
individually
and
tell
us
how
we're
going
to
do
better
as
we
proceed.
O
I
would
like
to
mention
that
some
of
these
firms
on
this
list
have
contracts
that
are
going
to
expire.
We
they
are
going
to
be
unavailable
for
us
to
reach
out
to
let's
go
ahead
and
pass
this
today.
I
Well
then,
it
shouldn't
have
been
brought
that
late
to
us,
jim
and
I'm
and
I'm
sorry
about
that.
But
but
you
know
the
city's
not
going
to
fall
apart
in
30
days.
A
My
emotion
on
the
floor
to
continue,
I
believe,
was
it
mr
cross,
in
a
second.
B
Did
you
want
to
say
something
I
I
did
good
afternoon
council
oceanwin.
B
Of
companies
who
are
complaining
about
the
process,
if
you
can
direct
those
to
me
so
that
we
can
reach
out
to
them,
we're
always
interested,
and
I'm
personally
interested
in
setting
up
everyone
for
success,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
firsthand
what
their
challenges
are,
so
that,
as
we
go
and
unwrap
it
on
on
on
map
and
improve,
we
can
here
make
sure
that
we're
solving
the
right
problem.
So
if
you
can
direct
them
to
me,
I
really
would
appreciate
it.
A
I
would
do
that,
but
I've
heard
many
times
that
I
our
process
is
too
strenuous.
It's
too
much
paperwork,
you
know
when
they
go
to
apply
at
the
airport
and
places,
and
I
keep
mentioning
that
because
when
I
go
talk
to
my
friend
mr
stevens
and
those
ladies
over
there,
they
have
a
different
process
than
we
have
over
there.
We
can
sit
and
say
well.
A
They
have
federalists
in
that,
but
they've
made
their
process
over
there
simplified
for
anybody
who
wants
work
to
go
over
and
be
able
to
work
from
the
smallest
and
smallest
and
they
make
sure
they
carve
out
a
piece
of
the
pie
for
everybody,
and
I
keep
harping
on
that.
But
when
I'm
out
there
in
the
community,
everyone
knows
I'm
out
there.
You
don't
hear
people
complain
about
the
airport,
you
just
don't
because
they're
processed,
but
I
will
hear
what
you're
saying.
B
G
Carls,
thank
you
just
20
seconds,
one
person
said
we
go
to
our
list.
The
other
person
said
we
we
put
the
people
who
responded
to
us.
One
of
the
biggest
complaints
is
that
all
the
firms
they're
eligible
are
not
reached
out
to,
and
they
also
don't
know
what
the
potential
is
with
the
construction
company.
I
know
we're
talking
about
different
apples
and
oranges,
but
on
the
on
the
hannah
avenue
construction
company
said,
we
had
no
idea
that
we
thought
it
was.
It
was
an
eight
million
dollar
project.
We
were
responding
to.
G
It
turns
out
it's
108
million
dollar
project,
and
so
there
are
fundamental
flaws
in
the
way
this
is
set
up.
We
ought
to
have
a
workshop
to
ask
small
businesses
how
they
interact
with
the
city
and
how
to
prove
it,
and
I
know
the
mayor
has
an
outreach
program
on
minority
businesses,
but
we
with
with
five
percent.
Obviously
we
need
to
do
something
different.
Thank
you
and
that.
A
Meeting
yesterday
I
heard
I
was
in
a
short
period
very
short,
but
I
got
calls
saying
they
brought.
They
laid
out
a
lot
of
different
ideas
to
this
to
the
city
and
those
folks
that
were
there.
So
may
I
get
your
right,
mr
crap.
Maybe
it
needs
to
be
another
one
like
that,
so
we
can
hear
and
then
we
can
maybe
go
ahead
and
put
like
your
sledgehammer
in
place
to
make
sure
we
improve
and
it
gets
done.
A
A
All
right,
we
have
motion
for
to
continue
the
march
17th
on
february.
Any
pose
motion
carry
march
17th
to
this.
Thank
you
all
right.
We're
moving
right
along
item
number
76..
Did
we
have
the
gentleman
back
for
the
hearing?
Is
he
back
on
he's
back
on
yeah?
Let's
get
him
out
the
way
number
74.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
74.
B
O
You
can
continue
so
I
would
like
to.
R
Present
the
case
for
keeping
our
final
cloud
chain
link
fence
at
the
property.
As
ms
lund
mentioned,
this
property
doesn't
add
any
architectural
value
to
the
community.
It
is
a
affordable
housing,
multi-family
project
that
provides
section
8
housing
to
the
community.
It
has
affordability,
restrictions
that
run
on
for
decades.
R
The
chain
link
fence
was
installed
as
part
of
a
wider
initiative
on
the
property
help
with
security,
which
included
new,
controlled
access
gates
to
the
actual
entrance
and
an
upgraded
camera
system.
Along
with
security
controls,
the
the
channeling
fence
in
question
was
installed
after
ownership,
discovered
vagrants
living
in
back
corridors
of
the
property.
R
So
this
and
and
doing
what
you
know,
unsafe
activities
on
the
property.
So
we
added
the
the
barrier
to
keep
that
kind
of
activity
out
of
the
property
and
causing
disturbances
to
our
attendance.
R
The
the
material
was
chosen
as
it's
cost
effective
to
the
properties
operations
and
the
the
fence
type.
That's
on
the
west
side
of
the
property,
which
is
aluminum,
picket
style
fence.
Those
pickets
are
very
easily
broken
out
by
people
trying
to
walk
in
and
out
of
property,
and
they
are
broken
up
and
they're
difficult
to
replace.
R
So
that's
why
we
went
with
vinyl
glad
chain
link
fence.
On
the
other
side,
our
offense
contractor
wasn't
aware
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
needed
at
the
property,
so
unfortunately
had
to
apply
for
that
retroactively
and
got
us
in
this
mess
where
we
have
a
fence
without
a
cfa,
we
went
to
the
architectural
review
commission
and
did
not
receive
it
based
on
the
design
grounds
that
are
within
the
guidelines,
we'd
like
to
keep
the
fence
as
is
or
find
a
way
that
we
can
keep
as
much
of
the
fence
as
possible.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
were
able
to
see
or
hear
the
the
presentation
from
his
lund
and
specifically
as
related
to
the
the
alley
fence.
Okay,
the
chain-link
fence
along
the
alley
doesn't
sound
like
that's
a
problem
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
miss
lone
or
or
miss
pettis
mac.
I
But
but,
as
you
turn
the
corner
and
you
come
out
on
central,
that's
clearly,
contrary
to
the
arc,
the
arc,
I
don't
think,
has
any
specific
exceptions
for
quote:
affordable
housing
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
catch
your
name
and
I
didn't
catch
your
title.
Are
you
the
owner
or
the
or
the
manager
or
what
this.
I
Okay,
so
you
it
sounded
to
me,
like
you,
sort
of
make
an
excuse
that
your
fence
contractor
wasn't
aware.
Were
you
aware,
was
somebody
else
in
the
organization
aware
that
the
that
you
were
in.
I
Have
you
looked
into
the
difference
in
cost
between
the
the
chain
link
as
opposed
to
the
wrought
iron
or
the
aluminum
wrought
iron?
Look
just
for
that
central
avenue
portion
and
I'm
not.
I
don't
want
to
discuss
costs,
but
I'm
just
saying
at
the
end
of
the
day,
at
least
this
councilman
I'm,
you
know
I'm
fine
with
that
alley
portion,
but
I
think
we
should
be
supportive
of
the
arc
when
it
comes
to.
I
You
know
the
central,
the
central
avenue
part,
because
that's
the
way
that
that's
the
way
the
code
reads
and-
and
we
try
and
respect
and
uphold
you
know,
uphold
the
the
you
know
the
the
arc
and
and
and
the
rules
in
that
regard.
So.
A
I
I
respect
what
you're
saying
is
dean
further,
but
I
kind
of
know
why
they
have
that
type
of
offense.
I'm
gonna
be
up
front
with
you.
I
understand
with
the
rc,
but
I
go
by
directly
and
I
know
why
they
have
that
type
of
fencing
up
there.
A
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
iron
fists,
how
they
pull
you
go
right
by
you
go
jackson
court
right
there
by
nfl
yet
center,
where
I've
had
to
have
them
remove
inflates,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
set
up
a
record,
but
I
know
why
they
have
that
type
of
fencing,
and
I
guess
I
can
look
at
the
area
too.
But
mr
renna,
I
understand
arc,
but
I
can
understand
why
that
fencing
is
up.
A
A
A
B
A
A
C
You
very
much,
I
think
the
gentleman
explained
his
position
very
well.
Therefore,
I
moved
to
overturn
the
arc's
decision,
hereby
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
requested,
an
application
number
arc
21-296
for
the
property
located
at
2510
north
central
avenue,
because
the
application
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
guidelines.
A
Oh,
I
say
my
mr
citroel
roll
call.
Please
carlson.
K
B
R
R
Hello,
sorry,
mike
schmidt
assistant
city
attorney
here
on
item
76.,
the
last
time
that
we
were
before
city
council
on
november
4th
we
provided
an
update
city
council
requested.
We
come
back
today's
date
with
another
update
for
what
is
currently
the
status
for
the
code,
enforcing
board
and
the
use
of
the
code
enforcement
board.
R
Since
the
last
meeting
with
city
council
staff,
legal
neighborhood
enhancement,
t-
and
I
have
all
gotten
together
on
several
occasions,
with
all
these
meetings,
we
have
made
significant
progress
as
of
to
date.
We
believe
all
the
forms
are
ready
to
begin
this
process
for
an
applicant
to
go
online,
submit
a
complaint
or
an
offensive
condition,
violation
that
complaint
would
be
routed
to
neighborhood
enhancement.
R
R
After
that
time
period.
The
code
board
would
hear
the
case.
Orders
forms
have
also
been
drafted
to
accomplish
this
task,
so
we
believe
the
process
and
the
forms
are
all
in
place.
What
is
not
quite
ready
yet,
unfortunately,
is
the
technology
side
of
this,
and
we
are
waiting
for
the
acela
to
be
updated
so
that
this
process
can
actually
begin.
R
We
are
expecting
that
to
occur
sometime,
hopefully
within
the
next
few
months,
but
that
is
where
we're
at
right.
Now
we
do
have
a
meeting
for
training
for
the
code
enforcement
board
on
february
28th.
We
will
go
through
the
forums
with
code
enforcement
board.
At
that
time,
we'll
explain
the
process
with
them.
We
will
also
be
prepared
to
discuss
with
them
the
rules
and
procedures
of
the
board,
so
that
is
where
we
are
at
presently
city
council.
A
So
we're
saying
a
couple
more
months,
smith
on
this.
On
the
side
of
me,
I
mean
I'm
glad
that
we
have
finally
convinced
the
staff
that
this
could
be
better
utilized
and
help
out
the
citizens,
and
these
boards
can
have
feel
that
they're
only
working
for
the
community
versus
having
one
or
two
cases
a
year.
So
I'm
glad
that
now
we
we
see
that
a
lot
of
these
cases
that
they're
calling
our
office
about
can
be
routed
to
other
people
who
can
handle
us
and
get
them
in
the
right
direction.
A
A
So
I'm
happy
that
we're
moving
forward
with
this-
and
I
would
just
say,
make
sure
you
just
keep
us
abreast
of
that
date
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
turn
key
and
be
ready
because
you
know,
I
think
this
is
a
great
thing.
I'm
glad
I
put
that
out
there,
so
I'm
just
happy
that
it's
moving
forward
any
other
questions.
Gentlemen,.
H
Years
ago,
when
I
was
about
to
code
enforcement
board,
I
would
have
70
cases
a
day
now,
because
code
enforcement
has
become
more
personal,
with
the
with
the
neighborhoods
and
with
the
residents
that
number
has
dropped,
but
there's
a
lot
of
complaints
that
come
across
to
our
desks.
There's
a
heck
of
a
lot
and
from
what
I've
seen
from
code
enforcement
mass
trades.
They
only
have
three
or
four
cases
a
month,
so
you're
shaking
your
head
now.
K
H
Do
you
you
do
you
want
to
you
want
to
tell
me
how
many
they
have.
B
For
neighborhood
enhancement,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that.
N
Oh
well,
additionally,
or
just
as
a
point
of
order.
R
Cases
that's
every
wednesday.
B
C
B
R
Actually
have
quite
a
few
volunteer
magistrates,
probably
about
six
or
seven.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Let
me
say
this
one.
One
of
the
reasons
that
may
going
to
be
going
down
is
that
there's
a
new
law
that's
going
to
pass.
I
guess
that
you
and
I
just
can't
turn
them
in.
Yes,
we
have
to
have
the
name
of
the
person
who
calls
and
the
name
of
the
complainant
goes
on
the
record.
That's.
K
A
All
right:
well,
I
mean
anything
else,
john
folks,
we
know
it's
late.
We
apologize
a
lot
of
hot
items
today,
but
we
appreciate
the
work.
I
know
the
community's
going
to
appreciate
when
this
actually
comes
online
because
trust
me
I'm
going
to
appreciate
it
because
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
in
district
5..
I
mean
a
lot
of
calls.
Mr
chairman,
you
recognized.
Could
I.
A
I
thought
we
were
done.
No
anything
else,
steph,
that's
right!
All
right
have
a
good
day.
Thank
you.
All
right,
76
is
done.
D
That
was
similar
that
he.
F
If
I
may
yeah,
this
is
for
liberty,
the
the
operative
issue
here
is
liberty,
manor,
which
is
a
home
for
disabled,
mostly
disabled
veterans.
Here
I
visited
there
a
few
times
and
there's
no
sidewalks
there,
so
I
brought
city
mobility
out
to
enquire
on
it
and
they've
been
wonderfully
cooperative.
F
I
think
it's
about
maybe
80
90,
000
or
so,
which
is
great,
and
it
appears
from
the
memo
that
they're
amenable
to
proceeding.
So,
if
I
may,
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
to
calendar
this
to
come
back
before
us,
not
because
I
don't
trust
city
staff,
but
just
you
always,
you
know
we
all
have
our
own
duty
in
that
regard.
For
this
to
come
back.
So
what's
the
latest,
we
can
go!
Mr
shelby,
if
I
may,
sir.
F
F
What
are
we
in
february?
How
about
six
months
from
february
is
what
august
august
is
that
too
late?
Like
is
that
too
far
out
like
we
can't
schedule
no.
F
F
Terms
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion,
if
I
may,
for
the
first
week
in
august
of
2022,
for
this
matter,
reflected
on
78
to
come
back
to
assist
the
status
of
this
sidewalk
creation
for
this
area.
F
F
And
thank
you
again
for
to
staff
for
this,
because
it's
a
great
thing
thank
you.
I
I
D
A
I
K
I
Trying
to
help
just
trying
to
help
you
all
right
and
I
can
do
83
if
you
want
get
over
with
83.
Let's
go
okay,
I'll
move
in
regard
to
83
we
work
with
staff,
mr
massey
etc.
My
motion
is
to
request
that
the
mayor,
the
mayor,
review
and
approve
the
naming
of
the
city-owned
sculpture
garden,
located
adjacent
to
the
pier
house
apartments
in
the
channel
district
after
the
honorable
linda
saul
center
former
tampa
city
council.
A
D
84,
mr
chairman,
if
I
may,
you
recognize
martin
shelby
city
council
attorney
item
number.
84
was
a
situation
where
the
attendance
bill
of
rights
failed
on
february
3rd
of
2022,
with
council
members,
dingfelder,
carlson,
sitro
and
miranda
voting,
no
council
members,
goods
and
greece
maniscalco
guten
maniscalco
voting,
yes,
councilmember
vieira
was
absent
at
vote.
He
had
requested
that
this
be
brought
back
on
this
agenda
for
discussion
and,
if
appropriate,
a
motion
for
reconsideration
to
be
made
by
somebody
on
the
prevailing
side.
H
R
H
H
H
K
D
Item
number
84
is
now
back
on
the
agenda.
It
has
been
presented
by
the
legal
department
as
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration,
councilmember
vieira.
A
F
And
I
wanted
to
speak
on
this
just
very
briefly.
If
I
may,
you
know
what
I
said
whenever
I
spoke
to
the
media
reporters
about
this.
It
said
I
always
prefaced
it
by
saying
that-
and
I
said
this
on
first
reading
as
well
when
we're
having
a
discussion
that
this
is
not,
in
my
opinion,
a
statement
on
anyone's
compassion,
liberality
anything
of
that
nature.
There's
a
lot
of
serious
issues,
but
a
lot
of
times.
F
People
want
to
get
to
an
end
through
different
means,
so
I
I
just
want
to
state
that
up
front,
especially
listen,
y'all.
I'll
just
be
frank.
We
got
a
lot
of
acute
issues
here
right
that
we've
been
dealing
with
the
city
council
to
the
extent
we
can
minimize
that
issue.
It's
it's
it's
it's
very
important
to
do,
but
there's
a
couple
of
issues
that
I
think
are
worthy
for
passing
this
as
originally
contemplated,
as
was
passed
by
the
county.
First,
we
need
to
have
consistency
between
the
county
and
the
city.
F
The
county's
ordinance
went
into
effect
on
march
15th
of
2021,
with
enforcement
beginning
just
a
little
bit
thereafter,
the
sky
has
not
fallen.
There
has
been
as
letters
from
commissioner
smith
and
commissioner
kemp
and
the
statement
from
kimberly
overman,
commissioner
oberman
indicated
there
haven't
been
any
apparent
problems
and
second
is
something
that
people
in
my
opinion,
as
it
pertains
to
the
actual
bill
of
rights,
attendance,
bill
of
rights
section
and
the
notice
that
has
to
be
given
to
tenants
on
that
people
don't
know
their
rights.
F
You
know
some
of
us
have
visited
a
lot
of
different
communities.
I
know
chairman
goose
obviously
does
that
a
great
deal,
including
areas
like
timber
falls,
and
you
talk
to
folks
who
are
there
and
folks
there
don't
know
their
rights
and
and
for
me
you
know
that
the
the
basic
rights
that
are
outlined
in
that
notice,
the
fair
housing
act
of
1968
issues,
involving
habitability,
etc.
That's
knowledge
that
people
should
be
empowered
with,
and
it's
done
in
a
very
reasonable
way
read
the
ordinance.
F
It
says
that
a
a
a
first-time
offense
you
get
21
days
to
correct
it.
So
this
isn't
something
that
to
me
is
draconian,
then,
second,
on
the
source
of
lawful
income,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
lawful
income.
It
merely
says
that
landlords
may
not
discriminate
if
you
pay
with
sources
sources
such
sources
such
as
rental
assistance,
vouchers,
veterans,
assistance,
programs,
ssi,
ssd,
etc.
To
me,
that's
certainly
something
that
is
very,
very
reasonable.
Again,
it
first
passed
this
six
to
one
passed
into
county.
I
believe
it
was
five
to
one
etc.
F
So
this
is
something
that's
very,
very
important.
It
does
not
mandate
that
if
you
have
one
of
these
sorts
of
benefits
that
you
have
to
be
retained
by
the
by
the
landlord
by
the
landlord
to
go
into
the
building,
it
merely
says
that
they
may
not
use
that
status
by
the
would-be
tenant
as
a
potential
to
discriminate
against
somebody
to
discriminate
against
somebody.
So
you
know,
in
closing
we
have
a
housing
crisis
right
now.
F
Everybody
here
on
council
not
just
talks
about
it,
but
takes
action
led
by
members
of
council
who
have
done
a
great
job
on
it,
and
I
always
salute
people
for
that.
But
for
me
this
is
you
know,
step
one
in
terms
of
on
top
of
allocating
funds
we
allocated.
I
think
it
was
16
million
dollars
last
year
in
the
budget.
This
is
step
one
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
policy
to
make
housing
more
accessible
to
people,
so
I
think
that
we
ought
to
vote
this
up
or
down,
etc.
F
H
If
I,
if
I'm
a
councilman
bureau,
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly,
if
you
drive
275
up
and
through
I-4
you're,
going
to
go
through
four
different
jurisdictions,
pinellas
city
of
tampa,
hillsborough,
county
lakeland
and
then
polk.
So
that's
five
with
senate
bill
620
I
was
hoping
this
was
going
to
be
a
state
of
florida
issue.
We
have
people,
we
have
people
coming
from
miami
to
tampa.
We've
got
people
coming
from
saint
petersburg
to
tampa.
We've
got
people
now
going
from
tampa
to
to
pasco
county
to
live.
H
This
whole
bill
of
rights
should
be
a
state
issue
just
like
driver's
license
just
like,
because
your
weapons
permit.
H
A
For
tri
county,
but
but
more
or
less,
you
know
when
I
said
that
hillsborough,
affordable,
kepler,
county's
a
housing
board.
You
know
when
we
talked
about
this,
I
I
I
knew
it
was
something
that
had
to
be
interchangeable
and
something
that
had
to
be
connected
to
the
whole
city,
the
county
you
know
and
and
throughout
all
of
hillsborough
county.
So
I'm
glad
that
mr
bureau
brought
it
back.
A
I
was
going
to
do
that,
but
I
was
trying
to
wait
to
make
sure
we
had
everybody
back
on
board
again,
but
I'm
glad
we
have
it
back
here
today.
Hopefully
we
can
get
something
moving.
Today.
People
are
hungry
about
this
they're
adamant
about
it.
I
don't
think
it's
gonna
really
hurt
people
in
different
communities
or
whatever.
I
just
think
that
it's
something
that
we
have
in
place
that
can
help
to
make
sure
people
aren't
discriminated
again.
A
So
I'm
glad
that
I
was
able
to
bring
it
forth
the
first
time
and
hope
we
can
get
it
moving.
Mr
randy
record
yeah.
K
Mr
chairman,
as
I
talked
to
you
earlier
today
and
during
the
break
that,
if
you
think
this
is
a
problem,
there's
another
problem
called
reverse
mortgages.
Yeah.
A
K
K
Well,
I
saw
one
that
I
just
showed
you
about
right
and
I
have
another
one
that
I
got
to
go
visit.
Lady.
I
was
walking
to
walmart
and
by
the
time
you
really
want
to
walk
a
mile
by
the
time
you
parked
the
park
in
your
car
and
you
walk
to
walmart
and
you
walk
around.
You
did
a
mile,
so
I
was
there
in
the
meat
section,
and
this
lady
tells
me.
Are
you,
mr
miranda?
I
said
no,
I'm
just
charlie
miranda
and
she
tells
me.
Can
I
talk
to
you.
I
said
we're
talking
now.
K
It
was
an
elderly
lady
like
myself,
and
she
tells
me
where
she
lives
and
she
says
I
have
something
that
you've
got
to
help
me
on.
So
what
is
it?
She
said
a
reverse
mortgage
and
when
she
told
me
that
the
first
one
that
I
found
out
about
two
weeks
ago,
this
person
had
like
a
60
some
thousand
dollar
mortgage
and
that's
now,
if
she
wants
to
buy
it
out,
it's
a
176
thousand
because,
like
eighteen
percent
interest,
thirteen
to
eighteen
percent
interest-
I
haven't
figured
it
out,
so
I
understand
that
they
did
it.
K
K
So
this
is
another
thing
that
it's
a
very,
very
scary
and
to
them
it's
worth
it
being
scary.
To
them
is
they're
here
today
and
yeah
when
they
pass
on.
The
house
belongs
to
whoever's,
got
the
mortgage,
but
there's
some
type.
But
I
don't
I'm
not
a
professional
at
this.
I
don't
know
too
much
about
it,
but
the
one
that
I
read
had
a
certain
date
that
by
that
date,
if
it
ain't
paid,
they
didn't
talk
about
passing
away
or
anything.
K
Then
they
got
to
pay
the
mortgage,
maybe
that's
something
else
they
did
foolishly
but
anyway,
so
I
I
understand
it
and
on
on
this,
that
we're
talking
about
the
rights
and
bills,
the
tenants
right
bills
of
rights
it
it's.
I
voted
against
it
and
I.
I
really
think
that,
although
I'm
a
council
member,
the
president
of
the
united
states
of
america
can't
control
milk
prices
or
gasoline
prices,
and
I
understand
the
effort
I
didn't
mr
vieira
explained
it
very
methodically
and
very
straightforward
about
certain
vouchers.
K
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
a
lot
of
good
thoughts
around
the
room
and
a
lot
of
good
thoughts
this
morning
during
the
public
comment
as
you
as
you,
as
as
we
all
do
on
various
issues,
I've
I've
done
some
research
because
I
kept
asking
I
kept
saying
we
don't
have
a
staff
report
that
says
this
is
needed.
I
Okay,
we
don't
have
any
statistics
whatsoever
to
say
that
folks,
who
are
out
there
with
section
8
voucher
in
their
hand,
are
having
a
hard
time
finding
a
landlord
to
go
with
that
and
and-
and
I
like
to
deal
with
with
evidence.
However,
with
that
said,
there
was
good
testimony
this
morning.
That
indicates
that
that
this
is
a
problem
number
one
and
number
two
is.
I
I
found
a
couple
of
reports
from
two
or
three
years
ago,
one
by
hud
themselves,
the
federal
government
and
the
other
by
the
urban
institute,
and
they
both
speak
to
the
fact
that
this
is
a
not
just
a
tampa
problem
by
any
means,
but
a
national
problem
that
there's
a
lot
of
landlords
out
there
who
are
resistant
to
to
accepting
section
8
section,
8
vouchers.
Now
I
provided,
I
provided
all
of
you
this
week
unit
directionally,
so
you
you
guys
didn't
respond,
no,
no
sunshine
issues,
but
I
provided
you
with
the
18
page
inspection
report.
I
So
I
I
you
know,
I
think
we
might
get
some
pushback,
but
that's:
okay,
that's
okay,
because
I
heard
enough
this
morning
to
say
that
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
mr
mr
vera,
I
appreciate
you
stepping
up
and
sounding
the
alarm
and
saying
we
need
to
re
revisit
that
now
with
that
said,
I
we
need
to
revisit
some
other
stuff
and
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
be
bringing
this
up
and
and
miss
feely's
gonna
be
bringing
this
up
next
week's
workshop
and
it's
gonna
keep
coming
up
until
we
do
it.
I
But
the
a
hack
committee
that
you
guys
put
me
on
you
know
we
we've
come
up
with
one
two:
three,
four:
five:
six,
seven,
eight
nine
ten
eleven
recommendations
about
what
we
can
do
better
with
our
code
for
affordable
housing
expediting
permits,
fee
waivers
flexibility
and
density
for
affordable
housing,
adus.
What
we
were
just
talking
about
a
little
while
ago,
accessible
accessory
dwelling
units
reducing
parking
joe.
I
think
you
were
alluding
to
parking
for
specifically
for
affordable
housing.
I
And
perhaps,
as
I
mentioned
last
week,
mandating
that
some
of
these
big
apartments
that
were
approving
whether
or
not
south
afghani
downtown
up
and
down
kennedy
behind
university
of
tampa
that
the
mandate
that
they
have
10
percent
and
the
state
allows
us
to
do
that
as
long
as
we
provide
some
incentives
that
go
with
that
mandate.
So,
yes
I'll
support
this
tenant,
lieutenant
bill
rights,
we'll
go
along
with
the
county,
we'll
see
how
it
goes,
but
that's
just
such
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
I
A
I
A
Everybody
got
a
good
heart
now,
so
miss
vera
had
a
motion
on
the
floor.
F
And
if
I
may,
I
I
I'd,
ask
I'd:
ask
chairman
goodes
to
read
it
since
you
originally
brought
it
up,
because
I
don't
want
to
you
know
what
I
mean
like.
A
N
F
I
and
I
do
agree
that
I
always
like
to
use
baseball
terms.
This
is
getting
to
first
base
and
that's
why
I
brought
it
up
because
we
didn't
even
get
the
first
base
and
I
go
folks
are
talking
about
a
grand
slam.
You
know
don't
talk
about,
you
know
kurt
gibson
1988
home
run.
I
mean
it
was
a
sacrifice,
bug.
I
F
That
that's
all
I'm
saying,
that's
all
I'm
saying
so
let
me
if
I
may
read
an
ordinance.
F
I
read
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading
consideration
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
mending
the
tampa
or
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
12
to
add
article
seven
tenants,
bill
of
rights
and
the
prohibition
of
source
of
income.
Discrimination
in
sections
12-140
through
12-145
within
said
article
providing
for
a
title
providing
for
definitions
providing
for
requirement
to
provide
tenants
with
notice
of
rights
providing
for
a
title
providing
for
prohibition
of
source
of
income,
discrimination,
providing
for
enforcement
and
penalties
for
violations
providing
for
exemptions
and
mending
sections
dash
or
12-4
section.
F
R
D
Yes,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
Last
week
on
february,
10th
councilmember
carlson
abstained
from
voting
on
rec
21-123.
He
has
filed
a
form
with
the
clerk
we'd.
Ask
that
we
received
and
filed
some
move.
A
A
D
A
You
want
to
go
and
have
that
motion
on
the
floor.
That
way
we
can
get
the
movement
you
want
to
wait
to
have
that
discussion,
see
what
it's
going
to
cost.
We
bring
that
motion
back
for
the
pain.
I
will
certainly
do
that.
Sir
I'd
appreciate
that
all
right,
so,
let's
make
sure
you
get
that
done.
Have
the
motion
ready
for
next
meeting,
so
we
can
get
that
and
we
can
be
ready
for
the
24.
okay.
Thank
you,
sir
you're
welcome,
sir
anything
else.
F
Yes,
sir,
really
I
just
one
brief:
if
I
may
move,
we
were
going
to
give
a
commendation
to
chaplain
larry
young
at
canines
for
christ.
In
february,
we
had
to
move
it
to
march
8th
due
to
a
conflict
with
by
may
I
hereby
move
that.
F
And
just
on
our
tuesday,
yes,
sir,
yes,
sir
yeah,
I'm
sorry
the
the
commendations
and
and
also
it's
funny-
we're
not
gonna
do
a
letter
on
this
I
mean
because
everybody
can
write
individually
but
congressman
charlie
crist
is
moving
to
have
the
president.
President
biden
have
florida
civil
rights,
heroes,
harry
t
and
harriet
moore
be
given
the
presidential
medal
of
freedom.
F
They
were
murdered
in
december
25th,
1951
and-
and
I
just
just
to
let
the
public
know
it's
robert
saunders
took
over
the
end
of
florida
in
double
acp.
After
harry
t,
moore
was
murdered
and
just
great
florida
heroes
who
a
lot
of
folks
don't
know
a
lot
about,
and
I
I
commend
congressman
chris
for
that.
I
think
that's,
that's
stellar!
Thank
you.
C
Sir,
a
gentleman
spoke
this
morning
regarding
littering
in
the
city
of
tampa.
There
was
also
a
news
story
on
abc,
I
believe
regarding
littering
littering
fines,
the
you
know
how
how
little
they
are,
how
the
signs
that
we
have
in
the
city
are
not
even
up
to
date
with
what
the
state
of
florida
has
imposed,
which
is
150.
C
A
A
H
You
very
much
the
organizers
of
this
year's
tampa
pride
on
march
26,
2022,
tampa
pride
2021,
superseded
all
efforts
in
exceeding
or
passing
the
estimate
attendees
of
over
60
people
this
year
they
will
be
broadcasted,
live
on
abc
action
news
and
over
4
million
people
will
be
watching
tampa
from
as
far
away
as
san
diego
kansas
city,
missouri
and
charlotte
north
carolina.
This
accommodation
will
be
given
off-site.
I
Yes,
sir,
we've
all
served
on
on
boards.
I
Well,
I
I
think
we've
all
served
on
boards
that
have
directors
and
officers
insurance,
and
it's
become
quite
apparent
that
we
don't
have
directors
and
officers
insurance
serving
on
this
body
and
occasionally
we
don't
have
any
protection
whatsoever.
So
without
getting
into
those
details,
I
would
request
a
report
from
risk
management.
I
A
Second,
by,
I
think,
was
a
mascara
all
in
favor,
second
by
vieira
march,
17th,
all
in
favor
all
right
all
right.
I
Let
me
amend
that
motion
just
slightly
if
I
could,
because
I
looked
up
and
saw
mr
shelby
and
perhaps
we
could
also
say
perhaps
looking
into
mr
shelby
as
well,
because
he
seems
to
be
in
a
unique,
a
unique
and
unusual
position
as
a
quote
employee.
So
I'll
just
tag
that
on
to
the
motion.
If
that's
okay,
what.
I
Other
attorneys,
I
think,
they're
they
might
be
covered
by
just
being
generally
employees.
I
don't
know,
but
this.
L
L
G
Just
so
you
all
know,
I
I
asked
about
this
and
I
don't
want
to
end
up
a
long
discussion,
but
I
think.
G
As
I
remember
it,
we're
we,
we
have
insurance
but
we're
self-insured
up
to
500
000
and
then
it's
to
the
discretion
of
the
city
attorney's
office
as
to
whether
they're
going
to
defend
us
and
they've
chosen
not
to
defend
three
of
us
so
far
so,
and
maybe
four
so
we've
got
as
we
start.
Looking
at
the
charter,
we've
got
to
change
the
way
the
legal
department
is
structured.
It's
unacceptable
that
that
the
legal
department
has
a
has
a
conflict
of
interest
in
representing
the
mayor's
city
council
and
the
city
we've
got
to.
A
I
Well,
for
now,
I
want
to
keep
it
simple
and
just
ask
the
risk
management
department
to
to
come
talk
to
us
about
that
on
march,
7th.
K
A
K
The
certificate
of
achievement
is
the
highest
form
of
recognition
in
the
area
of
government,
accounting
and
financial
reporting,
and
its
attainment
represents
a
significant
accomplishment
by
government
and
its
management
and
as
much
as
the
entire
staff
of
this
department
will
be
attending
to
receive
this
accommodation.
I
was
appreciate
your
indulgence
and
placing
it
as
early
as
possible
on
the
agenda
so
that
we
would
be
able
to
return
to
this
office
as
soon
as
possible.
K
The
next
one
I'd
like
to
remove
one.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
remove
the
presentation.
The
combination
of
the
university
of
tampa
volleyball
team
for
winning
the
2021
ncaa
division,
2
national
championship
from
march
8
2022
agenda,
as
I
will
personally
be
delivering.
This
combination
to
the
university
coaching
team.
A
I
A
All
right,
let's
make
a
motion
to
present
a
combination
to
the
american
associate
of
university
women
aauw,
who
is
a
vibrant,
nonprofit,
nonpartisan
national
organization,
whose
members
have
been
working
to
impact
the
lives
of
girls
and
women.
Since
1881.,
the
company
will
be
presented
at
their
annual
fundraiser
at
tampa
palms,
golf
and
country
club
on
march
5th,
2022.
tucker.
I
A
All
right,
I
think,
that'll
do
it
for
everybody
in
the
movie
season.
Five!
Sorry
all
right,
mr
madison
miranda,
all
in
favor,
all
right,
hippos,
all
right,
we're
adjourning.