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A
B
A
C
D
D
E
E
She,
the
property
owner,
filed
a
request
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
for
the
property
at
1023
East
Henry
Avenue
staff
denied
the
application
requests
on
January
18th
of
2023
based
upon
the
application
not
for
the
project,
not
meeting
the
specific
regulations
governing
special
uses
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
in
particular
staff
denied
the
application,
because
the
project
does
not
meet
the
required
setback.
E
Regulations
for
accessory
dwelling
units
in
the
similar
Heights
District
in
your
packets
that
were
passed
out
to
you
were
are
the
relevant
code
sections
which
is
code,
section
27-61,
which
governs
the
standard
of
review
for
this
proceeding.
27
132
regulations
governing
individual
special
uses,
27
129
General
standards
and
27
130
conditions
and
safeguards
all
related
to
special
use
applications.
E
Also
in
your
packet
are
sample
motions
and
the
rules
of
procedure
for
city
council
to
use
in
order
to
conduct
this
review
hearing,
as
outlined
in
code
section
2761,
specifically
subsection
j3
city
council,
conducts
a
de
novo
standard
of
review,
which
means
city
council
shall
not
be
limited
in
its
review
to
that
information.
Documentation
or
evidence
upon
which
the
special
use
permit
was
based.
City
council
may
receive
new
evidence.
E
E
City
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
deny
the
requests
to
waive
the
requirement
that
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
unit
may
not
be
located
in
a
non-conforming
accessory
structure
or
structure
made
conforming
as
a
result
of
a
variance
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
therefore
allow
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
to
be
in
the
to
be
where
it's
located
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
staff,
but
I
believe
the
staff
member
and
the
public
needs
to
be
sworn
in.
Yes,.
F
And
Mr
chairman,
if
we
can
have
a
motion
to
have
receive
and
file
the
ex
parte
Communications
that
have
been
made
available,
we.
D
F
D
Hi
you
want
this
we're
going
to
hear
from
Staff.
First,
okay,.
D
H
G
G
Here
is
a
aerial
of
the
property
located
on
East
Henry
Avenue
located
in
rent
the
code
requirements
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
is
that
it
shall
be
a
maximum
of
950
square
feet
B.
It
may
be
approved
when
the
main
residence
is
owner
occupied
and
c
located
within
a
conforming
accessory
accessory
structure,
but
it
may
not
be
located
in
a
non-conforming
accessory
structure.
G
D
there
can
only
be
two
people
residing
in
the
accessory
structure
and
e
annually.
It
is
reviewed
by
staff.
This
is
a
copy
of
the
survey.
As
you
can
see
outlined
in
yellow
the
setback
is
at
2.3.
The
requirement
is
three,
so
this
is
the
reason
of
the
denial
by
staff
and
the
proposed
accessory
structure
will
be
located
in
an
existing
accessory
structure.
That
does
not
mean
that
minimum
minimum
required
setbacks
is
required
by
code.
Therefore,
it's
non-conforming
a
side.
Setback
of
three
feet
is
required.
G
The
existing
accessory
structure
does
not
comply
with
a
side
setback
requirement
of
2.3
for
the
West
Side
setbacks.
In
addition,
the
site
is
required
to
have
three
parking
spaces,
and
this
requirement
cannot
be
waived
through
the
special
use,
one
process
and
here's
just
a
copy
of
the
site
plan.
For
you
guys
to
look
at
and
that's
SAS
presentation.
I
I
When
the
adoption
of
the
zoning
came
into
place,
it
made
it
out
of
compliance,
and
we
are
respectfully
asking
for
consideration
in
allowing
this
to
be
in
accessory
dwelling.
The
driveway
is
sufficient
to
park
three
cars
in
it
without
any
problems,
so
we
won't
be
taking
up
space
on
the
roadway,
and
we
just
asked
for
some
consideration
for
allowing
this
can.
D
I
K
K
Yes,
ma'am
Eric
Cotton
development
coordination.
This
is
in
the
Seminole
Heights
or
Seminole
Heights
zoning
District,
so
accessory
dwelling
units
are
allowed
as
a
special
use
one.
So
the
basis
for
the
applicants
here
tonight
is
just
today
is
just
because
the
accessory
structure
itself
does
not
meet
the
requirements
for
its
for
the
required
setbacks.
So.
I
C
C
J
I
D
C
M
That
I
moved
to
overturn
the
zoning
administrator's
denial
of
special
use,
one
application,
su-1
23-01
for
the
property
located
at
1023
East
Henry
Avenue,
because
the
specific
standards
for
accessory
dwelling
units
outlined
in
City
of
Tampa
code,
section
27-132
and
the
general
standards
for
the
special
use
permits
outlined
in
27-129
shall
be
waived
to
the
following
reasons.
The
structure
was
built
before
the
current
setbacks
and
it
had
been
used
as
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
prior
second.
J
Let's
have
a
roll
call
vote
well
discussion
if
I
may
I
I'm
going
to
support
it
for
the
same,
like
reason,
because
this
is
unique
and
different,
I
don't
want
this
to
be
a
statuary
to
say
that
all
everybody
in
Tampa
can
do
what
they
want.
This
year
is
allowed
in
that
area.
It
was
built
before
the
law
became
effect.
So
therefore,
it'd
be
a
penalty
on
everybody.
J
A
N
Afternoon,
chair
afternoon,
Council
big
b
day,
director
of
mobility
department
to
address
file
number
10.
This
is
emotion
made
by
councilman
Carlson
and
councilwoman
bertak
regarding
the
parking
situation
on
deckle
Avenue
in
South
Tampa
in
the
vicinity
of
Howard
Avenue.
A
memo
to
that
effect
has
been
submitted.
Just
some
highlights.
This
matter
was
initiated.
Last
May
we've
met
with
the
neighborhood
several
times
since
We've
made
incremental
progress
in
trying
to
manage
the
parking
situation.
N
Of
course,
the
primary
reason
for
the
parking
concern
is
one:
a
more
active
Commercial,
Street,
specific
businesses,
but
also
generally
a
history
of
limited
parking,
because
a
lot
of
the
multi-family
developments
like
on
DeSoto
or
Deco
do
not
have
on-site
parking
so
as
we
grow
we're
seeing
these
kind
of
issues
along
commercial
streets.
So
what
we've
done
is
over
time.
First,
we've
dedicated
an
enforcement
officer
to
be
there
around
the
worst
period,
and
that
is
around
lunchtime
so
between
11
and
2.
N
Since
last
May
we've
issued
over
210
citations
and
over
100
warnings.
So
we've
been
active
there.
We
have
a
parking
enforcement
staff.
There
we've
added
12
15-minute
parking
spaces
again
to
facilitate
turnover
so
that
that
parking
issue
and
circulation
does
not
happen.
We've
created
an
ADA
parking
space,
coordinated
with
police
in
gold
and
also
upgraded
or
updated
some
signage
in
the
area.
We
continue
to
work
with
the
neighborhood.
C
N
Street,
to
ensure
one
that
emergency
vehicles
can
pass
safely,
but
will
also
gather
other
data
like
how
are
we
able
to
if
we
were
able
to
accommodate
parking
needs
on.
N
Streets
were
we
able
to
accommodate
other
modes
of
travel
as
well
and
what
impact
it
had
on
traffic
flow
and
safety.
All
of
that
information
from
the
pilot,
which
will
be
a
six
month
pilot,
will
go
towards
our
parking
planning
efforts,
a
consultant
contract
for
which
Council
approved
a
few
months
back
and
that
we've
initiated
so
all
that
to
say
that
we
continue
to
work
on
a
difficult
situation
and
we
will
incorporate
Lessons
Learned
into
broader
planning
efforts
and
apply
at
Citywide
I'm
happy
to.
O
O
Yeah
I
just
want
to
thank
Vic
and
your
team
and
and
my
colleagues
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
discussion
this
just
about
four
years
ago,
in
between
the
time
I
was
elected
and
time
I
started.
O
I
went
to
a
meeting
in
this
neighborhood
to
talk
about
this
issue
and
Ian,
who
was
Harry
Cohen's
aide
at
the
time
handed
off
the
files
to
me
and
a
few
months
later,
Vic
and
I
went
over
and
met
with
them,
and
so
the
the
neighborhood's
been
working
on
this
for
at
least
more
than
four
years,
and
it's
good
to
hear
that
some
progress
has
been
made
on
it
because
I
know
they've
been
very
frustrated
with
it
and
it
it
I
think
it's
the
next
topic
or
one
of
the
upcoming
topics,
the
the
nature
one
of
the
restaurants
nearby
changed
and
that
that
completely
changed
the
nature
of
who
parked
there
and
for
how
long
and
how
so
anyway.
M
Also
I
want
to
Echo
this
I
love
that
this
is
being
used
as
a
pilot
for
the
overall
parking
plan.
M
This
is
something
that
old,
Seminole
Heights
is
a
neighborhood
association
has
been
advocating
for
for
many
years,
just
the
idea
of
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street
and
seeing
how
that
works
to
to
alleviate
space
for
safety
vehicles
and
for
making
sure
that
residents
do
have
a
place
to
park,
but
also
making
sure
there's
space
for
walking
and
biking
and
in
so
many
neighborhoods
that
don't
necessarily
have
sidewalks.
So
I
really
appreciate
this
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
it.
M
You
told
me
this
prior,
but
could
you
just
share
again
with
the
public?
How
long
this
pilot
project
will
last.
N
Sure
thing
it's
a
it's
a
six
month
pilot
and
we
will
collect
data
through
that
pilot
so
as
we
speak,
we're
in
the
process
of
acquiring
and
installing
the
signage
needed
and
then
working
with
the
neighborhoods
to
ease
it
in
the
first
couple
of
weeks
we
will
issue
warnings,
no
citations,
but
enforcement
and
its
response
by
motorist
is
a
key
part
of
understanding
how
it
works.
So
it
will
be
enforced.
M
Great,
thank
you
and
I
have
one
more
follow-up
question.
Once
this
pilot
is
finished
about.
How
long
do
you
think
it
will
be
before
you
have
some
some
data
to
share
with
Council
about
how
it
was.
N
We'll
need
about
30
days
to
digest
the
data
and
then
come
up
with
some
insights.
However,
the
planning
effort
will
be
a
little
bit
longer
because
we
are
putting
together
a
city-wide
plan
and
that
will
be
that
will
be
executed
in
phases.
So
the
first
part
of
that
planning
parking
planning
effort
is
a
series
of
proposed
amendments
or
changes
to
chapter
15
and
again
it
will
all
be
born
from
the
parking
efforts
and
then
we'll
look
at
other
chapters
that
are
that
are
involved
as
well.
27,
22
and
25.
M
D
Anyone
else
Vic.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
report
now
you're
going
to
have
four
restaurants
in
a
to
a
one
and
a
half
block
area.
I
understand
that
the
LA
Bordeaux
will
be
opening
back
up
again.
Excuse
me,
a
restaurant
there
where
Labrador
used
to
be
this
is
something
that
you
and
I
talked
about
four
years
ago.
D
P
N
Item
11
sorry,
I
heard
12
and
I
thought.
Maybe
staff
wasn't
necessary
for.
C
N
Yeah
item
11
is
the
25th
stormwater
CIP
report.
Of
course
the
capital
Improvement
program
is
a
function
of
the
assessment
that
was
approved
several
years
ago
to
251
million
dollar
program
and
it
outlines
all
of
our
projects
that
are
committed
as
part
of
this
program.
N
I
would
like
to
highlight
that
this
is
the
second
last
year
of
the
of
the
assessment
and
the
program
and
we're
working
towards
what
the
next
level
or
the
next
or
the
future
of
stormwater
needs
and
Capital
Improvements
look
like
and
to
that
and
earlier
this
year,
council
did
approve-
or
it
was
late
last
year,
rather
160
000
work
order
for
a
consultant
to
conduct
a
gap
analysis
that
will
identify
what
needs
to
be
modeled
within
the
city.
N
What
modeling
is
up
to
date
and
that
will
be
the
first
cut-
that
Gap
analysis
to
inform
what
our
future
CIP
looks
like
what
will
follow.
That
is
additional
modeling
that
is
recommended
in
that
Gap
analysis
itself,
to
really
fine-tune
the
capital
program.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
because
over
the
next
two
years
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
working
towards,
so
that,
at
the
end
of
this
program,
we'll
have
a
new
CIP.
H
Real
quick,
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
we
have.
H
We
did
receive
a
storm
water
update
on
a
separate
project
this
morning
in
Seminole
Heights,
but
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
at
the
Henderson
and
Dale
Mabry
area,
which
is
historically
and
notoriously
terrible
one
and
we
have
heavy
rains
so
I
know
that
there's
closures
on
the
weekend
at
that
intersection
and
I've,
been
through
there
and
I've
watched
how
traffic
has
maneuvered
even
with
the
closure,
but
I
I
haven't
received
knock
on
Woods
any
complaint
knock
on
wood,
any
complaints,
yet
I
see
that's
moving
along
well
and
that's
a
very
important
section.
M
I
want
to
Echo
the
thanks,
I,
absolutely
love
this
update.
It
is
really
clear,
very
thorough
and
the
maps
make
it
really
easy
to
understand,
along
with
the
charts,
so
I
really
encourage
the
public
to
look
at
this
is
this
on
the
stormwater
website
as
well.
N
M
Okay,
great
because
I
look
at
it
through
sire,
but
I
highly
recommend
if
the
public
has
any
questions
about
what
we're
spending
the
money
on
to
look
it
up.
It's
it's
a
it's
an
incredibly
clear
report
and
I
really
always
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
P
Yeah
I
didn't
want
to
a
report
on
this
thing
speaks
for
itself,
but
it's
part
of
the
returning
citizens
initiative
that
we
did.
It
included
incentives
for
contractors
to
hire
returning
citizens,
incentives
to
ban
the
box,
but
also
wanted
to
have
like
a
test
pilot
program
for
job
training,
retraining
and
apprenticeships,
for
returning
citizens
and,
together
with
the
county,
we're
investing
in
that
partnership.
Three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
apprenticeships
and
training,
as
the
the
memo
says.
So
just
this
is
really
really
a
good
thing.
P
Quite
frankly,
and
just
if
you
look
at
the
statistics
on
returning
citizens,
we
have
to
do
a
much
better
job
on
this
issue,
but
a
lot
of
groups
helped
out
in
this,
including
Florida
rights,
restoration,
Coalition,
eight
Brown,
Ministries,
Jewish,
Community,
Center,
Federation
and
other
organizations,
but
just
noting
that,
thank
you,
sir.
D
O
Yeah
this
one
is
related
to
the
vehicle
Avenue
one
it.
The
the
the
issue
is
that
what
was
a
just
a
little
cafe
suddenly
became
a
heavily
trafficked
delivery
location,
and
so
the
question
is
is
now
that
post
covid
and
with
ubereats
and
all
these
Services
there
are
locations
that
have
lots
of
vehicles
that
go
in
a
temporary
way.
And
the
question
is:
should
we
have
some
kind
of
special
zoning
or
permitting
for
those
situations,
because
they're
going
to
continue
to
affect
neighborhoods.
K
They're,
a
cotton
development
coordination
parking
for
restaurants
generally
is
section
2720
3.7
of
the
city
of
Tampa
zoning
code
for
full
service.
Restaurants,
there's
four
spaces.
It's
based
on
occupants,
so
it's
0.25
spaces
per
person
based
on
occupant
list.
Whatever
your
occupant
load
is
divide
by
four
would
tell
you
how
many
parking
spaces
you
need
for
establishments
that
are
strictly
take
out
or
restaurants
to
go.
K
You've
seen
some
of
them
start
to
pop
up
they're
like
Reef
kitchens,
for
example,
they're
considered
retail
by
our
code.
They
require
four
per
thousand
like
a
typical
retail
establishment,
as
long
as
they're
10
seats
or
fewer.
K
For
this
specific
instance
that
came
up
with
the
proper,
the
restaurant
on
decal
and
Howard,
that
was
previously
a
restaurant
they
morphed
into
during
covet.
Of
course,
they
morphed
into
providing
a
lot
to
go
service,
which
is
you'll,
see
that
at
a
lot
of
restaurants
from
Chili's
to
McDonald's,
they
all
have
special
places.
You
can
go
up
and
pull
up
and
get
food
from
those
are
generally
on
private
property.
K
The
code
sort
of
addresses,
as
the
the
for
the
most
k
for
the
most
part
where
there
is
a
a
tight
urbanized
feel
for
a
community
such
as
at
Howard
and
deco
parking,
is
already
at
a
premium.
So
I
think
Mobility
is
trying
to
address
that
specific
issue.
The
code
as
a
whole
from
my
professional
Viewpoint
at
this
point,
whatever
we
did
to
the
code
for
existing
conditions,
would
not
would
not
be
affecting
those
those
existing
conditions.
K
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
way
to
address
existing
restaurants
that
morph
into
something
other,
because
their
primary
thing
is
still
Food
Service.
They
still
have
seating
They,
just
added
that
component
of
of
pickup
Indigo
and
a
lot
of
times
you'll
see
those
at
restaurants
themselves.
There
are
specific
places
for
ubereats
and
doordash,
and
just
for
pickup
generally
they
run
out
and
get
you
your
food.
K
O
But
are
you
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
other
cities,
but
I,
wonder
and
forget
this?
This
specific
example
next
to
decal,
but
if,
if
do
any
other
cities
address
the
issue
of
restaurants
that
have
a
small
footprint
that
are
heavily
trafficked
for
delivery,
I
mean
there.
There
are
bigger
restaurants
that
have
a
little
bit
of
ubereats,
but
there's
some
little
places
that
that
are
really
for
takeout
only
or
for
delivery,
and
they
just
have
like
hundreds
of
cars
a
day.
Is
there?
O
K
O
What
I
mean
is
the
special
circumstance
where,
where,
if
you
know
that's
the
that's
the
old
model
of
people
coming
in
and
sitting
down,
so
and
and
maybe
there
is
some
delivery,
but
in
in
a
case
where
you
have
2
000
square
foot,
but
you
have
a
thousand
cars
visiting
a
day.
Picking
up
things
and
taking
them
out
is
there?
Is
there
no
special
rules
that
other
cities
have
that
we
should
adopt.
K
Not
that
not
that
we've
uncovered
at
this
point
again,
if
you're
strictly
eight
to
go
kind
of
restaurant,
we
apply
the
retail
parking
standards
like
if
you
were
a
yeah.
That's
what
I'm
saying.
K
O
Treat
it
as
a
retailer
yeah,
that's
what
I'm
saying,
but
that
doesn't
seem
to
work.
That's
the
point
is
that
I
don't
think
it's
particularly
this
location
and-
and
so
is
there
some
other
there's
a
a
huge
higher
than
anybody
expected
until
the
last
two
years,
volume
of
vehicles
going
into
some
of
these
places,
and
so
how
do
we
protect
neighborhoods
in
the
future
by
putting
putting
some
additional
rules
down
for
that?
It's
not.
O
Q
Couple
things
one
is
once
required
parking
is
provided
we
don't
regulate
that.
So
when
you
see,
for
instance,
on
Howard
Avenue,
when
you
go
to
flower
and
water
and
at
five
o'clock
they
become
completely
valet
and
I
can't
park
there
unless
I
want
to
pay
for
their
valet.
Those
spaces
are
once
you
meet
your
provided
parking.
We
don't
say
whether
it
has
to
be
ubereats
whether
it
has
to
be
open
whether
it
has
to
be
any
of
those
things
that
becomes
the
business
operators
option
in
relation
to
those
spaces.
Q
We're
happy
to
look
at
whether
or
not
city
of
Orlando,
some
of
the
other
city
of
Saint
Pete,
have
things
for
a
ubereats,
predominantly
takeout
type
of
restaurant.
But
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
that
would
be
more
spaces
and
then
not
necessarily
less
yeah.
O
What
what
I'm
saying,
maybe
yeah,
maybe
I,
could
just
make
the
same
time.
I
could
make
a
motion
to
continue
this,
but
the
question
is
this:
is
a
new
situation?
That's
only
developed
in
the
last
two
or
three
years,
where
there's
heavier
than
ever
expected
takeout,
it's
not
it
and
their
their
locations
that
are
primarily
take
out
only
and
and
so
it's
a
different.
O
It's
a
different
model
for
looking
at
how
many
space
you
need
and
like
one
of
the
solutions
in
this
one
example
was
15
minute
parking,
so
it
turns
over
I
would
just
like
to
continue
this
until
maybe
August
and
ask
staff
to
to
August
3rd
and
just
ask
staff
to
look
at
some
new
Solutions.
Maybe
the
other
cities
use
or
new
solutions
that
we
would
propose
to
to
address
this
issue.
Q
O
C
Q
You
more
no
and
that's
fine,
and
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
mention
in
closing-
is
it's
like
when
we
permit
a
coffee
shop,
Starbucks
doesn't
get
a
special
queue
line
for
their
impact.
That's
associated
every
coffee
shop
gets
treated
the
same.
There
isn't
different
standards
for
those
that
have
that
high
intensity
of
use,
but
we'll
we'll
put
our
heads
together,
we'll
look
at
that.
We'll
bring
you
back
the
information,
that's
out
there
in
relation
to
that
and
and
we'll
see
and
I
think
the
other
thing
Eric
mentioned.
Q
Q
E
O
F
Q
Where
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
on
item
17.,
so
I
know
in
in
relation
to
item
17
we're
we
want
to
Target
coming
back
on
June
22nd
for
the
good
neighbor
notice,
so
because
that
rolls
in
then
to
the
July
text
Amendment
cycle.
So
if
we
are
making
changes,
then
we
can
capture
what's
going
to
happen
in
July
versus
if
we
talk
about
it
in
September
and
having
to
go
to
the
January
cycle.
So.
B
Afternoon,
chair
City,
Council,
Members,
Michelle,
Van
long
real
estate
I'm
here
today
on
item
number
16..
Since
last
summer,
Miss
Travis
has
been
talking
to
you
all
about
the
larger,
affordable
housing
strategy
for
the
City
of
Tampa.
One
of
those
strategies
is
referring
the
affordable
housing
list.
It
is
a
list
made
up
of
surplus
properties
to
be
potentially
designated
as
affordable
housing
properties
at
your
CRA
board.
B
B
So
with
that,
if
we
can
have
the
PowerPoint
up,
thank
you.
So
we
are
required
by
State
Statute.
Every
municipality
in
the
State
of
Florida
is
required
every
three
years
to
review
our
property
list
of
properties
within
our
jurisdiction
within
our
city,
boundaries
that
would
be
appropriate
for
affordable
housing
use
and
when
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear.
I
know
Mr
drumga
reported
this,
but
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear.
B
We
are
not
prohibited
from
using
any
properties
that
are
not
on
this
list
for
affordable
housing,
so
this
list
is
a
minimum
of
every
three
years
if
we
acquire
new
properties
during
that
time,
if
we
receive
more
properties
from
the
county
during
that
time
or
let's
say
we're
working,
we've
been
doing
a
land
assemblage
and
now
that
project
isn't
moving
forward
any
of
those
properties
have
the
potential
to
be
used
for
affordable
housing,
even
if
they're
not
on
this
loose
this
list.
So
it's
not
exclusive.
B
Once
the
properties
are
on
this
list,
there
are
only
four
things
that
can
happen
to
the
properties,
one
we
can
sell
them,
but
then
we
have
to
use
those
proceeds.
There's
four
give
me
a
second,
so
we
have
to
use
the
proceeds
for
other,
affordable
housing,
either
to
buy
additional
property
or
to
put
towards
funding
of
affordable
housing
programs
that
we
have
through
hcd
or
the
cras.
Second,
we
can
offer
them
for
sale
with
a
restriction
that
they
become
permanent,
affordable
housing.
We
can
donate
them
to
a
non-profit.
B
Who
would
then
in
turn
development
develop
them
for
permanent,
affordable
housing?
And
lastly,
we
ourselves
through
either
the
hcd
or
through
the
cras,
can
develop
those
properties
for
permanent,
affordable
housing.
So
once
they
are
on
this
list,
they
are
dedicated
one
way
or
another
to
benefiting
and
furthering
the
goals
of
creating
or
preserving
more
affordable
housing
for
the
City
of
Tampa.
B
You
saw
this
graphic
with
Mr
drumgo's
presentation.
We
have
within
real
estate
about
4
000
records
of
all
the
properties
that
we
have
recorded.
This
could
be
easements.
It
is
all
our
Alleyways.
It
is
our
parking
lots.
So
we
took
that
database
of
4
000
records
and
started
to
vet
that
so
that
we
eliminated
the
properties
that
would
again
not
be
appropriate
for
affordable
housing
use.
So
we
got
rid
of
all
of
our
parking
lots.
All
of
our
right-of-ways,
all
of
our
alleys.
B
We
got
rid
of
all
of
the
easements
drainage,
easements,
our
storage
ponds,
and
then
we
also
have
property.
One
of
the
examples
is
East
Tampa,
where
we've
been
doing
a
land
assemblage
right
there
on
22nd
Street,
that's
taken
several
years,
so
those
properties
as
we
acquire
them
are
sitting
in
the
city
inventory,
but
we
want
to
reserve
them
for
the
entire
land
assemblage.
So
we
are
not
putting
these
individual
properties
on
that
list.
B
If
there's
a
bigger
pay
action
for
development
in
the
planning,
and
then
we
also
have
properties
that
are
uneconomic,
remainders,
they're,
too
small
to
actually
put
a
development
for
housing
on
those.
And
lastly,
we
have
properties
that
either
we
lease
that
are
in
our
inventory
or
that
we
own
and
we
lease
to
others,
and
we
have
buildings-
we
have
Park
Properties.
We
have
small
little
kiosks,
so
those
properties
are
also
not
on
that
list.
B
B
The
reason
it
went
from
101
to
32
properties
is
that
we
do
have
17
properties
that
will
be
coming
out.
This
spring
is
part
of
our
housing
divisions
infill
three,
so
those
properties
are
not
on
there
as
they
will
be
utilized.
Probably
before
this
gets
adopted
by
city
council,
we
had
34
properties
that
made
more
sense
that
there
may
have
been
properties
in
between.
That
would
be
even
more
beneficial
if
we
waited
to
acquire
additional
properties
and
make
a
larger
tract
get
more
bang
for
our
buck.
B
We
also
had
properties
that
were
overly
challenged,
excessive
flooding.
It
would
take
utilities
to
be
brought
in
several
blocks-
it's
not
just
on
the
street
or
we
have
environmental
issues
with
those
properties.
So
with
that,
we
had
32
properties
that
were
then
proposed
to
bring
forward
to
you
to
include
on
this
list,
and
once
we
have
this
list-
and
you
all
have
your
discussion,
we
answer
any
of
your
questions
and
we
go
through
this
dialogue.
B
Our
next
step
would
be
to
finalize
that
list,
bring
it
to
an
actual
public
hearing
before
city
council,
and
you
would
adopt
that
list
by
resolution
and
just
like
your
dedicated
parks
list,
this
list
would
be
attached
as
an
exhibit
to
that
resolution
so
that
those
properties
are
on
there
and
codified.
That
way,.
B
All
done
I
just
want
you
I
know
that
Elise
went
through
our
map
that
we
put
together.
The
interactive
Mac
for
the
public.
I
do
have
that
available.
If
anyone
would
like
to
see
that,
but
otherwise
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
and
I
am
going
to
for
councilman
Maniscalco
when
you
were
going
through
this
discussion
with
Mr
drumko,
you
asked
about
how
many
units
you
thought
could
be
on
these
32
properties
without
actually
laying
out
a
site
plan
for
all
32
estimate
about
100
units.
Okay,.
H
Now
let
me
ask
you
a
question:
I
know
that
there
are
restrictions
of
of
what
we
can
do
with
these
properties
and
I
had
brought
up
for
discussion,
which
was
continued
today
until
April
20th
about
addressing
food
deserts
in
the
city
of
Tampa
and
I,
see
that
majority
of
these
properties
are
in
District
5.
Where
we
see
the
food
deserts
there
more
so
than
the
rest
parts
of
the
city.
Would
it
be
allowable?
H
Look
at
I
know
know,
there's
Meacham
Farms
over
here
right
by
the
church
in
The
Encore
area,
that's
a
larger
parcel,
but
would
any
would
someone
be
allowed
or
a
non-profit
to
put
a
community
garden?
They
are
you
know
what
I'm
saying
for
you
know
for
growing
food
and
what
not
to
give
and
sell
to
the
community
or
no
once.
B
H
D
H
So
5
000
square
feet.
So
a
lot
of
these
properties
I
see
at
5
000.
Some
are
ten
thousand
summer
2500
square
feet.
Well,
here's
one
forty
seven
thousand
970
I
believe
that's
correct.
On
palafix
Street
are
people
allowed
to
per
the
code?
Can
we
put
quads
and
triplexes
and
that's
another
revisiting
of
the
coach
who
amend.
B
Moses
are
larger
list
does.
Have
we
didn't
bother,
you
with
you
know
the
50
or
60
cells
that
go
along
with
all
of
these
records,
so
as
part
of
the
vetting,
all
the
Departments,
the
utility
departments,
our
environmental
departments,
our
growth,
Management
Services,
all
vetted
this
list
for
where
we,
it
was
appropriate
again
appropriate
for
affordable
housing
means
that
we
can
put
those
residential
uses.
Some
of
these
are
an
area
that
could
have
multi-family
on
the
larger.
H
Okay,
so
we
we
could
try
and
fit
more
units
on
a
parcel
if
we
needed
to
okay.
Last
question
is:
if
we
were
to
donate
this
property
to
somebody,
meaning
you
know,
establish
a
contract
that
says
you're
not
allowed
to
sell
this
property.
You
can't
sell
the
land,
but
now
that
you
have
the
land,
you
can
build
a
house
on
it.
You
know
a
single
family
home.
H
Would
that
individual
with
those
stipulations
like
a
99-year
lease
on
the
property
or
you
know,
you're
not
allowed
to
sell
it?
Can
they
use
the
land
as
not
collateral,
but
when
going
to
get
financing
to
build
that
house,
would
they
be
able
to
use
that
property
and
say
look
the
city
has
this
program
where
they
donated
the
land
I'm
going
to
build
a
family,
a
single
family
home
for
myself,
for
my
children
to
live
in
that
wouldn't
benefit
them
to
get
the
financing
for
the
construction
of
the
home.
Would
it
yeah.
B
Usually
I
can
just
tell
you
on
the
one
side
and
then
on
the
housing
from
the
hcd
from
a
real
estate
standpoint,
many
of
the
lenders,
depending
on
the
life
cycle
of
the
loan,
which
may
be
30
year.
If
you've
got
99-year
lease
and
you're
at
the
beginning,
or
within
30
years
of
that
99,
they
will
treat
that,
as
you
have
a
full
interest
and
we've
seen
mostly
on
the
commercial
side.
So
I
can't
speak
to
the
residential
on
the
commercial
side.
B
H
So
that's
good
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
with
these
Parcels,
not
for
Community
Gardens
and
all
that,
but
for
for
housing,
and
is
this
every
parcel
that
we
own
or
there's
more
to
this
list?
These.
B
Are
the
32
that
staff
right
now
is
proposing
be
on
the
list
for
this
year?
This
is
our
first
stab
at
creating
this
list.
We
are
still
in
the
process
so,
as
you've
seen,
we
buy
a
lot
of
properties
for
storm
water.
There
are
hundreds
of
properties,
some
of
them
already
in
use,
some
of
them
for
future
projects
that
we're
still
in
the
process
of
acquiring.
B
We
are
working
with
our
fellow
departments
to
go
through
that
list.
It's
just
a
very
lengthy
process
for
them
to
review
all
of
their
Holdings
so
that
we
can
see
what
needs
to
be
still
retained
and
held
which
are
still
part
of
future
planning
projects
or
which
ones
over
time.
The
nature
of
the
project
may
have
changed.
The
location
of
the
project
may
have
changed,
and
now
those
properties
are
Back
available.
Okay,.
B
H
Of
those
other
issues
in
general
numbers,
so
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
here,
I
mean:
does
this
list
is
up
to
100
individuals
that
can
be
housed
so
good.
That
just
adds
to
the
bigger
picture
of
how
we're
trying
to
how
we
want
to
tackle
this
affordable
housing
and
attainable
housing
situation.
So
thank
you
very
much
and.
R
I
mean
these
are
a
lot
of
lots
here
and
I,
don't
know
where
we're
at
with
the
land
trust
right
now
or
how
far
along
with
it.
But
these
problems
should
be
going
to
the
Land
Trust
to
be
maintained
as
affordable
and
keep
the
price
down
in
in
and
be
able
to
per
person
outgrows
that
house,
but
all
these
properties
should
be
going
to
the
Land
Trust.
Q
Just
just
Abby
feely
Deputy
administrative
development,
growth
management.
We
have
a
statutory
obligation
to
create
this
list
and
that's
where
we
are
right
now
that
doesn't
earmark
any
of
these
to
all
go
to
developers
or
all
be
put
in
the
trust
or
all
the
first
thing
we
have
to
do
is
meet
our
statutory
requirement
to
present
this
list
and
provide
it
to
the
state.
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now
and
then
we
will
be
doing
exactly
what
you're
saying
we.
C
Q
Be
looking
at
those
that
will
go
into
the
trust
we'll
be
looking
at
those
that
will
maybe
go
out
in
a
different
format
if
they're
larger
and
can
yield
us
some
other
units,
besides
things
so
we'll
we'll
start
now,
once
we've
met
our
statutory
obligation
to
then
start
to
work
on
what
does
that?
Look
like
next?
Okay,.
R
I'm
good,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
just
doing
Lots
out
there,
because
this
is.
This
is
a
prime
example
of
how
that
Land
Trust
can
work
but
see
properties,
and
you
can
keep
obtainable
housing
and
the
cost
back
to
downl,
so
I'm
again,
I
won't
be
here,
but
Mr
Carlson,
you
will
be
here.
I
know
you
Guido,
there's
got
to
be,
you
know
Louis.
You
know
this
is
a
big
thing
with
these
properties
and
I.
Just
think
this
is
a
prime
example.
R
You
keep
control
of
the
market,
how
we
keep
control,
because
again,
probably
next
week,
once
I
look
into
it,
I'm
going
to
be
making
sure
and
asking
you
know
the
most
important
place
that
we
talked
about.
10
percent
today
was
a
high
number
for
Public
Safety,
but
I
believe
we
also
have
to
make
sure
that
at
least
money
is
marketed
in
the
pie
for
housing
in
the
general
fund
budget.
M
B
B
B
Yeah,
okay
and
then-
and
this
is
the
public
facing
so
anyone
in
the
public
once
we
publish
this
list-
would
be
able
to
there.
It
goes
would
be
able
to
view
this
list.
Click
on
any
one
of
these
Parcels.
All
of
these
little
diamonds
reflect
the
addresses
that
are
on
the
spreadsheet
you
have,
and
this
information
would
come
up.
The
council
District
the
size,
the
zoning
and
also
future
land
use.
So
they
will
have
all
this
information
a
little
snapshot.
M
Thank
you.
That's
that's
great,
because
I
tend
to
agree
these
I
I
I
really
want
the
public
to
take
a
look
at
this
before
this
comes
back
for
public
discussion,
because
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
we
can
do
with
these
and
so
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
the
public
sees
with
with
potential
for
these
properties.
So
I
appreciate
this.
Thank
you.
O
Just
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
about
ideally
putting
most
all
of
these
in
a
land
trust
and
then
and
then
putting
them
as
a
99-year
lease
with
restrictions
on
it
for
people
to
to
build
housing
on
it.
My
second
point
is:
when
we
get
I
know,
we
have
probably
several
meetings
before
then,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
done
fairly
and
equitably
in
the
community.
O
You
know
that
especially
the
non-profit,
affordable
home
builders
feel,
like
they've,
been
squeezed
out
for
some
of
the
bigger
ones
that
have
been
given
preferential
treatment.
When
we
started
four
years
ago,
there
was
a
RFP
for
three
lots
and
there
was
only
one
bidder
and
the
bid
was
zero
and
and
when
I
picked
up
the
phone
called
some
of
the
non-profit
ones.
O
They
said
they
didn't
even
know
about
it,
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we,
when
we
eventually
do
this,
that
it's
fully
advertised
and
if
it's
to
allow
individuals
to
build
homes
on
it,
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
a
fair
lottery
or
whatever
it
is
so
that
people
can
do
it.
My
other
question
is:
can
you
go
back
to
the
other
presentation,
the
upside
down
pyramid
and
I'll?
O
Just
try
to
ask
the
question
while
you're
going
to
that
you
mentioned
in
the
level
just
above
this
there
and
my
number
won't
be
exactly
right,
but
there's
like
130
properties
that
that
are
slated
for
some
kind
of
infill
development
that
were
taken
off
this
list.
Can
you
describe
those
and
is
there
a
map
or
some
description
of
those
properties
somewhere.
B
O
I
I
must
have
been
thinking
of
the
overall
number,
so
17
if
it's
17..
How
many?
How
many
are
in
this,
this
blue
level,
that
says
least
of
third
parties
and
infill
three,
how
many
total
properties
are
in
all
that
I.
B
O
Tally
that
up,
but
do
we
have
some
where
the
leases
are
going
to
come
up?
Are
there
some
that
don't
have
anything
developed
on
them
where
the
leases
are
going
to
come
up?
Do
we
know
that
most.
Q
There
are
17
properties
right
now
that
we
are
looking
at
to
include
in
infill
phase
three
we're
finishing
up.
Infill
phase
two
I
know
we
came
to
you
a
few
weeks
ago.
We
had
eight
homes
that
were
completed
and
were
limited
to
the
80
percent.
We
increased
them
to
140
Ami
and
within
four
48
Hours
of
doing
that
we
had
five
of
them
under
contract,
so
we're
right
now
working
to
close
out
infill
phase.
These.
O
Q
Over
west
of
Nebraska,
south
of
palm
that
are
have
alleys
there,
that
would
afford
US
an
opportunity
to
do
some
single
family
attached,
townhome
style
that
are
not
single-family
detached,
so
to
be
using
those
lots
to
make
more
than
one
house.
So
we
have
several
of
those
that
are
in
there
and
that
really
to
us
those
five
properties
out
of
17
being
in
that
close
proximity
in
that
area,
bordered
by
the
interstate
Palm
Nebraska
will
change
that
entire
little.
O
Enclave,
no,
no
sorry,
none
of
them
are
so
big,
like
the
the
drive-in
movie
theater.
Well,
where.
R
Q
So
the
17
are
we,
we
don't
want
to
start
in
Phil
phase
three.
Until
we
finish
infill
phase,
two
I
mean
we
want
to
be
responsible
with
the
properties
we
have
in
the
program
and
the
income
that
comes
in
from
that
and
the
funds
we
have
available
to
developers
because
with
infill
phase
two,
they
got
the
lot
plus
they
got
an
opportunity
to
have
75
000
toward
the
cost
of
constructing
the
home,
and
there
were
some
other
things.
So
we're
working
we're
working
through
that-
and
we
are
almost
done-
are.
Q
Phase
three:
no,
because
we
were
using
some
other
funds
that
wouldn't
allow
us
right
now
with
the
HUD
funds,
it's
difficult
to
put
them
into
the
trust.
So
when
we've
had
to
stack
funds
to
be
able
to
make
it
work,
we
have
not
been
able
to
do
that.
Yeah.
O
Two
two
last
things:
one
I
would
just
ask
again:
let's
make
sure
we're
transparent,
that
we
advertise
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
one
or
two
bidders
and
we
definitely
should
not
show
preferential
treatment
to
any
particular
big
bidders
or
so.
And
the
second
thing
is
that
I
saw
an
announcement
today
that
a
development
was
given
credit
for
a
thousand,
affordable
homes
and
I
wish.
O
We
could
I
know,
there's
a
federal
definition
for
it,
but
I
wish
we
could,
as
city
council
Define
what
the
communication
Department
sends
out,
because
it's
I
didn't
drill
down
in
it.
But
so
many
things
are
being
called
affordable
homes
which
aren't
if
it's
140
of
Ami,
it's
not
affordable
and
and
I
I
saw
on
break
criticism
of
it
online
and
how
that's
being
used,
but
I
think
we
need
to.
O
We
need
to
coordinate,
because
if,
if
the
administration
is
trying
to
hit
an
arbitrary
goal
and
we're
putting
numbers
in
there
that
that
are
150
or
200
percent
of
Ami,
that's
not
that's,
not
I'd
rather
set
the
goal
lower
and
actually
hit
the
goal,
because
it's
not
200
of
Ami
is
not
helping
the
people
we
need
to
help.
Thank
you.
I'd.
Q
Like
to
respond
to
that
for
just
a
moment,
if
I
may
infill
phase
two
had
11
different
developers,
seven
of
them
small
developers
who
had
never
done
business
with
the
city,
our
infill
program
does
go
out
through
the
demand
star
system.
So
if
there's
anyone
out
there
listening,
that
is
a
developer.
That
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
that.
That's
how
the
announcement
of
the
RFP
does
go
out
through
a
standardized
system.
That
way
we
also
post
it
on
the
city's
website
in
relation
to
the
10
000
tracker.
Q
O
Q
O
A
staff
person
told
them
they
had
to
work
with
a
big
developer
if
they
wanted
to
do
business
with
the
city
and
I
I
reported
that
the
chief
of
staff
and
I
I
just
think
we
have
to
be
really
careful
about
how
these
Contra
I'm
not
saying
that
you
did
it,
but
but
it
there's,
there's
like
what
we
talk
about
publicly
in
terms
of
transparency
and
then
the
reports
we're
getting
on.
O
Q
R
I
know
the
first
time
you
first
did
the
first
one
you
put
it
out
and
all
the
small
guys
came
and
you
gotta,
you
know
you
got
full.
You
got
Randolph.
You
got
a
few
minorities
in
there,
so
we're
still
doing
that
little
process
right
make
sure
those
those
guys,
the
low
hanging
guys
are
getting
an
opportunity
to
make
some
mistake.
Q
R
Just
want
to
make
sure
those
small
guys
a
little
small
black
minority
businesses
are
getting
an
opportunity
to
still
be
a
part
of
the
program.
We
never
have.
Two
vast
majority
of
these
lots
are
in
the
cre
Zone
from
what
I
can
see
on
this
forum
here,
faster
Jordan,
cra.
B
Most
of
our
infill
and
single
family
lots
came
to
us
from
the
county.
They
were
shaded
to
us
from
the
county,
and
so
most
of
those
because
of
the
Great
Recession
from
08
to
about
15
16
is
when
the
county
got
them
and
then
they
where
she
did
to
us,
and
so
that's
how
the
vast
majority
of
them
ended
up
that
way.
B
R
R
Okay,
I
didn't
know
that,
but
I
think
that
needs
yeah,
that
they
need
to
be
putting
dollars
to
get
those
properties
or
whatever
you
know,
be
a
part
of
an
RFP
or
somebody
to
do
something
to
make
sure
they
they're
controlling
that
as
well
or
with
that
land
trusted
situation
that
is
being
controlled
because
they
have
dollars.
That's
what
they
spend
this
money
on.
R
M
M
B
O
Just
One
Last
Thing,
despite
my
questions
and
pushback
I,
forgot
to
say
thank
you
to
the
the
two
of
you
and
all
the
staff
that
put
this
together.
It
sounds
like
it
took
a
lot
a
lot
of
time,
and
this
is
a
good
presentation.
It's
very
informative
and
we're
here
to
ask
tough
questions.
It's
not
not
that
we're
pushing
back
against
you
all
for
delivering
the
message,
but
thank
you
all
for
all
the
hard
work
in
doing
this.
It's
great
information
for
us
in
the
public.
Thank
you.
I.
B
Sir,
thank
you.
We
were
asked
to
at
least
be
45
days
out
so
that
one
we
can
get
the
we
will
publish
the
math.
We
will
let
all
of
you
know
when
the
map
has
gone,
live
and
that
you
can
also
share
that
and
we'll
send
you
the
link
to
that.
So
you
also
have
that,
and
that
would
give
the
public
ample
opportunity
to
review
that
map
and
look
at
the
properties.
F
B
F
Sorry
and
again,
a
question
with
regard
to
advertising:
is
that
done
through
the
clerk's
office
or
your
department.
B
I
was
informed
that
for
advertising
it's
just
standard,
we
don't
have
like
a
30
days
or
anything
like
that
as
far
as
making
notice
ahead
of
time,
just
making
notice
of
a
public
hearing
through
your
standard
notice
with
the
clerk's
office
is
enough.
We
just
wanted
to
give
everyone
enough
time
to
review
the
information
if
what
I
said
makes
sense
as
the
is
the
layperson
in
the
room
on
this
issue.
D
D
Agenda
item
number
20.,
nope,
nope,
I'm;
sorry,
if
I
had
the
wrong
one
Seventeen
file,
number
CM,
23-80245,
Mr
Scott,
another.
K
K
This
was
after
councilman
Goose
made
the
record
made
the
motion
regarding
the
size
of
our
signs.
So
we
have
been
working
with
both
the
group
from
fan
and
with
a
group
of
developers
and
attorneys,
representing
developers
over
the
notice
over
the
notice
issues
on
what
size
signs
would
be
recommended.
K
The
notice
distance
you
know
putting
QR
codes
on
the
signs
and
stuff
which
I'm
not
a
tech
person,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
I
know
it
works
in
restaurants
when
you
put
your
phone
on
there
to
get
a
menu
other
than
that
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
it.
K
But
so
our
recommendation
really
is
to
come
back
once
we
we're
having
ongoing
conversations
with
with
both
with
the
fan
group
and,
like
I,
said
about
the
distance
that
we're
going
out
for
notice
in
the
size
signs
we
did
check
into
the
county,
the
County
charges
107
for
their
signs.
That
includes
the
cost
of
posting,
the
actual
cost
of
the
sign
itself.
When
we
contacted
our
sign,
the
people
we
get
our
signs
from
is
forty
seven
dollars.
K
The
only
problem
with
that
is,
if
you
ever
look
at
the
county
signs,
they're,
basically
they're
framed
down
on
a
2x4
because
of
the
size
of
the
sign
right
now
our
signs
go
on
a
metal
H
frame,
and
you
just
stick
it
in
the
ground
and
it's
it's
there
for
the
for
the
hearing.
For
until
the
hearing
takes
place,
we
also
talked
about
changing
the
color
of
the
science
to
make
them
Bolder
right
now,
they're
white,
to
the
like
a
neon,
green
or
neon
orange.
They
pop
a
little
bit
more.
K
But
those
are
all
the
issues
we're
still
discussing
with
the
groups
to
come
back
with
you
and
to
come
back
to
Council.
In
June.
R
Okay,
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
if
we
told
my
two
different
type
of
side
but
the
size
that
I
normally
see
for
the
county
and
I,
don't
know
exact
size,
but
those
signs
you
can
see
down
the
block.
You
can
see
the
commissioner's
face
on
the
on
the
side,
so
I
think
we
might
be
talking
about
two
different
signs
here.
R
I'm
talking
about
I'm,
not
talking
about
those
I'm
talking
about
those
signs
for
General
informational,
meaning,
you
know
that's
what
I
was
saying
mirror
with
the
what
the
county
is
doing.
The
county
has
maybe
have
two
type
of
science,
but
most
all
the
county
signs
are
are
huge,
stand
up.
It's
got
a
commissioner's
face
on
it.
You
can
tell
them
the
day.
There's
a
meeting
a
time
about
three
by
three
yeah
I
mean
that's.
What
I'm
taught
I.
K
R
C
R
Q
Councilman
Goods
Abby,
Seeley
I
just
want
to
so
you
made
this
motion
two
weeks
ago.
You
put
up
a
sign,
I
had
to
get
a
picture
of
the
sign.
It
was
a
vision,
zero
meeting,
sign,
I,
think
Vic's
team
or
someone
in
Vic's
team
that
was
horrible.
We
were
already
in
the
process
of
looking
at
the
sign
size
related
to
Applications,
so
I
think
people
thought.
Maybe
this
motion
came
to
us.
Q
My
doc
is
full
on
certain
things,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
commit
for
someone
else
who's
not
here
today,
but
you
know
allow
us
an
opportunity
to
have
that
discussion
on
a
unification
or
a
communication
strategy
that
would
unify
that
for
all
the
different
utility
and
other
departments.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
they
do.
R
I
have
real
net.
For
me,
I
mean
I,
look
at
even
with
the
smalls
that
you
have
when
you
Zone
here,
that's
too
small
too.
No
one
can
see
that
okay,
so
I'm
glad
that
you
did
bring
that
back
as
well
Eric,
but
also
when
you
talk
about
well.
If
it's
another
motion
to
be
made,
that's
fun,
but
I
think
you
need
to
look.
You
know
right
of
the
whole
city.
When
you
talk
about
Communications
events
or
what
have
you
meetings?
You
know
Community
meetings
or
what
have
you
you?
R
You
can't
see
any
of
this
stuff,
so
I
think
it's
a
a
goal
of
everything.
So
if
your
department
does
one
section,
the
community
is
another
okay,
I
I
get
that,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
meeting
of
everybody
to
see
what
other
rules,
because
it
still
could
be
a
zoning.
A
rule
saying
you
can't
have
that
big
assign
the
city
I,
don't
know,
but
the
the
county
comes
in
the
city
and
the
county
puts
those
signs
up
on
our
on
our
Corners.
R
Q
Involved
and
do
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
work
with
the
other
teams
throughout
the
city.
But
I
think
it
should
be
probably
directed
at
the
administration
at
some
level
or
communication
so
that
we
can
actually
start
looking
at
what
it
is
that
you've
brought
forward
outside
of
what
we're
going
to
do.
Rezoning
wise.
F
I
F
F
D
F
M
I
mean
that
that
was
the
whole
thing,
these
the
signs.
It
sounds
like
we
have
a
wildly
different
definition,
so
either
either.
If
you
can
take
some
photos
while
you're
out
and
about
or
if
you
all
seem
to
have
an
idea
of
what
these
County
signs
look
like.
I
cannot
visualize
them
and
I'm,
just
a
very
visual
person,
so
I
think.
A
lot
of
this
confusion
is
just
through
that.
M
So
if
we
could
just
get
images
from
the
county
or
whatever
about,
they
obviously
seem
to
use
different
signs
size
signs
for
different
things.
M
Maybe
if
we
can
get
just
looking
at
what
they
use
for
what
what
different
size
signs,
what
color
signs,
just
just
for
an
idea
of
what
the
county
uses
versus
what
we
could
use,
because
I
think
what
we're
all
agreeing
on
and
I'm,
probably
think
that
the
groups
you're
talking
to
also
agree
that
the
little
signs
on
the
stakes
don't
last
and
so
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
on
that,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
what
we
would
like
them
to
look
like.
F
F
R
I
mean
I,
don't
understand,
I
mean
honestly
I
hear
Abby,
saying
it.
It
took
some
time
to
bring
it
back,
but
to
me
it's
all
signages
in
the
city,
regardless
of
zoning
or
regardless
well,
for
for
community
events.
Is
there
a
zoning
or
permitting
rule
for
the
size
of
that
sign
in
this
city?
So
that's
why
I
guess
it
with
the
zoning
and
permitting
to
find
out
is
the
rule,
a
different
rule
or
or
what
the
County's
doing.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
here.
K
Q
Don't
believe
there
is
a
regulation
related
to
the
size
of
government
signs
if
we
wanted
to
call
the
public
notice
sign
a
government
sign.
However,
when
applications
come
through
our
office
and
they
are
paying
for
a
rezoning
or
a
special
use
or
whatever
they.
The
cost
of
that
sign
is
in
there
when
Mobility
is
putting
on
a
public
meeting
and
they're
putting
out
their
own
sign
to
me
in
my
world.
That
is
something
different.
Q
Okay,
if
storm
water
and
wastewater
are
going
to
have
a
pipe
meeting
and
they're
putting
out
something
for
that,
and
they
use
a
different
kind
of
sign
to
me.
That's
something
different
too,
and
that
from
what
you
made
the
motion
two
weeks
ago
and
what
you
showed
it
was
more
of
a
city-wide
public
notice,
type
of
sign
versus
a
zoning
application.
Type
of
sign
I
understand
that
the
issue
is
public
notice
regardless,
and
we
would
like
to
be
larger
and
more
unified.
Q
But
when
I
hear
this
discussion
in
our
world,
it
is
two
different
buckets
of
discussion.
One
goes
with
these
applications,
and
one
goes
with
hey
City
when
you're
doing
a
meeting.
It
needs
to
be
big
and
look
like
this
and
and
here's
how
we
want
it,
and
so
I
think
that
is
a
different
report
back
to
you
as
to
what
we
could
do
to
unify
that
to
make
them
larger,
to
make
them
more
noticeable
and
to
ensure
that
The
Branding
is
a
certain
way
that
you
know
it's
a
city
of
Tampa
meeting.
Thank.
R
The
motion
for
that
for
the
second
portion
of
that.
Thank
you
that
chair,
if
I,
can
make
a
motion
to
clean
clear
this
up,
sir,
for
the
administration
to
come
back
with
the
proper
signages
in
reference
to
community
notices,
government
events
in
reference
to
some
of
the
activities
that
all
departments
and
maybe
can
mirror
some
what
the
county
does
or
what
their
process
is.
E
D
D
O
I
just
wanted
to
thank
both
of
you
in
your
department.
Also,
this
the
Good
Neighbor
noticed
part
of
it
is
critically
important.
As
you
know,
the
community's
been
asking
for
it
appreciate
you
all
being
thorough
and
that
and
and
working
with
the
community
on
it,
it's
going
to
mean
a
lot
to
the
neighborhoods
and
and
other
folks
in
the
community.
Thank
you.
D
L
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
Andrea
Zellman
to
the
attorney.
This
is
the
draft
first
reading.
I'm
sorry
not
draft
the
first
reading
of
the
ordinance
regarding
hiring
outside
counsel
for
the
crb.
L
In
response
to
the
motion
that
you
made
when
I
presented
the
draft
ordinance
I've
made
the
changes
that
Council
requested
I
would
note
I,
actually
I
also
made
one
additional
change
in
the,
whereas
Clause
I
Incorporated
language,
suggested
by
the
ACLU
attorney
with
regard
to
the
purpose
for
the
ordinance
and
I
did
not
include
one
phrase
that
had
been
suggested
by
Council,
where
you
referred
to
privately
retained
outside
Council,
because
to
me
that
implied.
That
implies
that
it
would
be
a
private
entity
retaining
the
attorney
when
it's
actually
the
city
retaining
the
attorney
I.
L
Also
so
I
to
me.
That
was
confusing
and
I
also
think
it's
unnecessary,
because,
oh
thank
you.
We're
saying
that
we're
going
to
hire
an
attorney
who's,
not
a
city
employee,
so
that
is
a
private
attorney.
It's
not
a
Public
Employee!
So
with
that,
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
ordinance,
if
not
you
can
proceed
to
First
reading.
M
I
I
see
that
you
have
it
if
there's
a
way
that
you
could
just
put
on
the
Elmo
briefly,
so
that
the
public
might
be
able
to
see
it.
Okay,.
L
L
L
Instead,
now
it
just
reads:
the
crb
shall
be
represented
by
an
attorney
who
is
not
a
city
employee
and
the
City
of
Tampa
shall
retain
that
attorney
as
follows,
and
then
again
in
response
to
your
Motion
in
some
section
c,
you
had
me
rewrite
it
to
say
the
crb
May
establish
procedures
to
select
its
legal
advisor,
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
reading
the
red
line
and
it's
hard
to
read
and
that
indeed
you
had
me
change
it
to
say
it.
I
had
written
it
to
say
the
City
attorney
shall
select
the
crb
legal
advisor.
L
Again
at
the
ACLU
attorney's
suggestion
I
had
written,
the
crb
legal
advisor
may
be
removed
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
crb.
He
made
the
point
that
if
they
had
a
quorum
at
a
meeting
but
the
and
but
that
those
present
weren't
enough,
where
even
if
they
all
voted
or
if
there
was
some
vote,
it
wouldn't
necessarily
constitute
a
majority
of
the
crb
as
a
whole.
So
I
added
the
words
Adam
the
majority
vote
at
a
meeting.
L
O
Councilman
Carlos
just
quickly
thank
you,
Ms
Zellman,
for
working
with
us
on
it.
This
is
like
three
or
four
things
that
we've
done
now
in
the
last
few
weeks,
where
the
community
wants
the
administration
and
city
council
to
get
along.
This
is
another
great
example
of
of
us
working
together
and
listening
to
community,
most
importantly,
to
get
things
done.
Lastly,
I
I,
don't
think
this
is
controversial
and
for
any
for
anybody
on
any
side
they
should
be.
O
They
should
be
happy
that
there's
even
more
built-in
objectivity
if
you're,
if
you're
somebody,
that's
that's
looking
for
good
government,
there's
objectivity
if
you're
someone
who
has
been
accused
of
something
and
you're
trying
to
be
protected,
there's
objectivity.
So
this
should
be
a
non-controversial
thing
and
also
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
public.
Who've
been
waiting
like
eight
hours
already
for
this
to
come
through.
Thank
you.
D
P
P
I
I've
made
my
position
for
a
number
of
years
on
on
some
of
these
issues
that
have
come
forward,
and
this
I've
always
said
it's
reasonable,
I,
I
I,
don't
see
a
problem
with
it
and
I
really
like
the
the
steps
that
Miss
Zellman
and
her
office
have
taken
for
just
some
Common
Sense
safeguards,
maybe
things
that
that
maybe
we
didn't
think
about
Etc
that
are
there
from
a
monetary
perspective,
making
sure
we
get
an
attorney
with
a
requisite
experience.
P
Etc
again,
this
is
very
reasonable
and
thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
this.
Thank
you.
D
M
File
number
e
2023-8
chapter
18,
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida
amending
section,
18-8,
H6
City
of
Tampa
code
to
provide
for
a
citizen
review
board
legal
advisor,
who
is
not
a
city
employee
providing
for
several
ability
repealing
all
ordinances
in
Conflict
here
with
providing
an
effective
date.
D
J
M
A
D
D
D
D
O
Carries
on
72
and
73
I'd
like
to
file
my
form
AP
on
each
of
these,
the
company
into
which
I'm
retained
does
business
with
an
entity
that
may
have
an
interest
in
this.
Just
so
people
know
for
the
future
mailers.
My
company
has
no
participation
all
in
either
of
these
matters,
but
an
abundance
of
caution.
Legal
is
recommended
that
I
accuse
myself
I.
D
A
D
D
We
have
motion
made
by
councilman
manascotra
seconded
by
councilman
Miranda,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed.
H
R
Yes,
Mr
chairman
the
administration
to
bring
an
update.
We've
had
several
meetings
regarding
the
East
Tampa
Regional
complex
I
want
to
personally
apologize
to
you.
Councilman
I,
understand
that
you
have
disrespected
last
night
or
the
other
night
and
several
phone
calls
about
that.
I,
don't
know
what
all
happened
so,
of
course,
I
couldn't
cook
first
for
sunshine,
I
couldn't
call
to
ask
you
about
it,
but
I
understand
you
were
just
disrespected,
but
I
guess
the
presenters
or
whoever
was
over
there.
R
But
a
lot
of
communities
were
upset
about
that
that
you
were
over
there
and
I
want
to
personally
apologize.
That's
my
district
I
want
to
apologize
to
you.
I
know:
we've
been
having
some
issues
with
the
Scandal
group
in
reference
to
the
person
who's
supposed
to
be
doing
the
Outreach
in
the
community
and
my
understanding
that
the
Outreach
is
not
sufficient
because
it's
concentrating
on
just
one
area
and
not
the
whole
East
Tampa.
So
again,
I
would
apologize
to
you
for
that.
R
I
like
the
administration
to
come
back
with
us
with
an
update
on
that
project.
People
are
wondering
when
the
dirt
is
going
to
start
being
shoveled
over
there.
We
don't
need
all
this
community
engagement.
Enough
is
enough
now
and
we
need
to
start
moving
forward
with
the
project.
Enough
is
enough.
They
know,
we
know
what
we
wanted.
We've
already
told
them
what
they
wanted
programming.
You
can
always
do
program
later,
but
right
now
the
the
gist
of
the
buildings,
and
we
need
the
ground
moving.
R
So
if
we
can
get
an
update
on
that
project
before,
what's
what's
as
soon
as
we
can
get
an
update
in
April
before
I
get
out
of
here,
because
we
need.
R
Yeah
April
6th
stay
up
and
update
the
East
Tampa
Regional
complex.
We
need
a
complete
update
on
that
communities
are
getting
all
kind
of
mixed
information
talking
about
being
built
in
27,
20,
20,
27
29.
All
these
different
things
we're
hearing.
We
just
need
a
complete
update
on
the
project
and
again
I
apologize
the
other
night
because
I
understand
you
were
very
disrespected
the
other
night
by
the
presenters
of
the
project.
H
D
M
Yes,
staff
has
requested
a
continuance
for
file
number.
M
C
C
H
Sir
Mr
chairman
I
I,
wish
to
extend
my
sincerest
condolences
to
the
Castro
family
from
the
passing
of
Sam.
Bell
I
know
that
several
council
members
did
make
some
statements,
but
I
would
like
to
request
that
you,
as
the
chair
representing
the
council,
send
a
letter
of
condolences
to
The
Honorable
Betty
Caster
as
well
as
U.S
congresswoman,
Kathy
Castro.
A
D
P
Sir,
if
I
may
I
have
a
workshop
in
April
on
elections
and
the
gentleman
who's
helping
me
on
it.
Matt
Newton
has
a
conflict
that
day.
If
I
may
I
moved
to
continue
that
to
May
Workshop.
P
And
really
fast,
I
I
want
a
nice
gentleman,
but
y'all
may
have
read
about
him:
Josh
Felder,
there's
this
new
movie
Champions
with
Woody,
Harrelson
and
Josh,
who
Marty
got
to
meet
he's
he's
I
mean
he's
from
Tampa
and
he's
on
the
cover
of
the
poster
with
Woody
Harrelson,
which
is
so
cool
and
Josh
is
a
gentleman
with
autism
and
is
a
really
really
nice.
Guy
and
I'd
like
to
come
just
to
have
him
just
be
publicly
recognized
for
this
in
City
Council
on
April
20th.
If
I
may
well,.
D
O
I
have
three
one
of
them
came
up
before,
and
two
of
them
came
up
today.
I
would?
What
I'm
going
to
propose
is?
Is
draft
ordinances
on
each
of
them
and
I
would
just
ask
this
that
that,
if,
if
you
all
don't,
if
you
have
questions
about
her
you're,
not
sure
if
you
could
just
approve
putting
it
on
the
agenda
and
then
you
can
always
vote
down
the
draft
ordinance
at
some
point
in
the
future.
O
The
first
one
is
is
that
a
few
months
ago
we
approved
a
whole
basket
of
law
firms
that
would
be
able
to
work
with
the
legal
department.
O
The
problem
is
that
potentially
sets
up
conflicts
of
interest
and
and
talking
a
whole
bunch
of
attorneys
that
there
are
there's
a
thing
called
a
conflict
of
interest
waiver
that
the
city
has
to
give
to
law
firms
there.
Some
of
the
law,
firms
that
that
are
representing
the
city
are
also
suing
the
city,
and
so
a
waiver
has
to
be
given
that
by
the
legal
definition,
I've
gotten
is
a
is
a
contract,
and
so
those
really
should
come
before
city
council
for
approval.
O
O
Second
series:
the
second
one
is:
is
this
issue
that
we
discussed
today
about
pending
litigation
and
legal
can
shoot
it
down,
but
but
I
think
it's
worth
trying
to
bring
this
back
on
the
same
day
Mo.
This
is
about
discussing
pending
litigation,
so
motion
to
ask
City
staff
to
return
on
June
1st,
with
a
draft
ordinance
that
would
require
that
the
legal
department
and
City
staff
refrain
from
discussing
pending
litigation
or
publicly
or
the
threat
or
the
threat
of
pending
litigation.
D
P
D
We
have
a
motion
made
by
councilman
Carlson
seconded
by
councilman
Maniscalco,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
O
O
Thank
you
that
the
third
one
gets
to
something
we've
discussed
before
and
go
into
details
of.
If
you
want,
but
all
the
advice.
I've
gotten
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
charter,
the
charter
clearly
says
that
city
council
is
a
client
of
the
City
attorney.
It
also
says
that
that
each
of
us
individually
isn't
as
a
client
of
the
City
attorney.
O
It
says
that
in
the
charter
in
a
normal
attorney-client
relationship,
the
a
lawyer
they
represents,
you
would
not
say
anything
to
the
media
or
to
the
public
about
you,
especially
if
it's
defamatory
or
what's
called
extrajudicial
Prejudice
prejudicial
comment
without
the
approval
of
your
client.
And
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
make
a
motion
to
ask
City
staff
to
return
on
June
1st,
with
a
draft
ordinance
that
would
that
would
require
the
legal
department
to
refrain
from
making
verbal
or
written
defamatory
or
prejudicial
comments
about
city,
council,
City,
Council,
Members
or
the
mayor.
J
O
Difference
is
yeah.
The
difference
is
that
if
it's,
if
it's
the
law
firm,
if
it's,
if
it's
the
lawyers
representing
this,
the
the
city
and
the
city
council,
and
so
sometimes
there
are
memos
that
are
written,
that
that
one
could
construe
as
being
defamatory.
The
idea
of
this
is
to
prevent
lawsuits.
O
Actually
you
know
that
if
we
that,
if
we
have
this
in
place
it
would,
it
would
prevent
any
kind
of
litigation,
but
the
idea
is
that
is
that
in
essence,
the
simple
version
of
it
is
that
the
the
legal
team
cannot
speak
out
of
school
about
their
clients
without
the
client's
approval,
which
is
what
the
normal
attorney-client
relationship
is.
O
That
motion
acidity
staff
to
return
on
June
1st,
with
a
draft
ordinance
that
would
require
the
legal
department
to
refrain
from
making
verbal
or
written
defamatory
or
prejudicial
comments
about
city,
council,
City,
Council,
Members
or
the
mayor.
Without
prior
approval
from
city
council
and
the
mayor.
O
O
It
we
can
individually
say
something,
but
but
the
the
difference
is
that
in
the
past
to
some
extent
the
the
legal
department
has
been
used
kind
of
like
judge
and
jury,
where
it
should
be
a
legal
department,
giving
legal
advice
and
and
I
think
you
know,
as
we've
seen,
the
collaborative
relationship
we've
had
with
Miss
Zellman
over
the
last
few
months.
O
It's
been
like
that,
but
just
the
normal
attorney-client
relationship
is
that
an
attorney
would
not
say
something
out
of
school
about
their
client
without
their
clients
approval,
and
in
this
case
it
just
makes
it
clear
so
that
someone
doesn't
have
to
file
a
bar
complaint
or
or
file
lawsuit.