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B
Thank
you
very
much,
we'll
continue
on
with
the
presentation
on
the
CIP,
with
the
Tampa
Convention
Center.
D
Detention
Center,
hopefully
ever
had
a
good
lunch.
It
was
great
to
get
some
time
downtown
I'm
on
the
other
side
by
the
water,
so
it
was
good
to
be
back
downtown
I
just
want
to
touch
base
with
you
guys
today
regarding
our
Capital
Improvement
project.
The
big
Focus
that
everybody
has
had
is
the
expansion
of
our
18
000
square
foot,
meeting
room
at
flexible
space.
However,
there's
a
couple
other
components
to
that
piece
that
we
had,
which
is
part
of
our
business
case.
We
wanted
to
expand.
D
We
wanted
to
upgrade
our
existing
aged
infrastructure
and
we
wanted
to
renovate
our
meeting
rooms.
So
those
three
key
projects
are
part
of
this
program:
I'm
happy
to
report
that
in
22
22
2022.
Sorry,
when
the
contractor
came
on
board,
they've
made
an
arrangements
to
get
it
done
as
quickly
as
possible
and
we're
about
four
weeks
away
from
the
actual
completion
of
substantial
from
our
18
000
square
foot
space.
It
looks
great
as
the
as
you
can
see
if
you
go
buy
it
during
the
day,
the
exterior
is
almost
99
complete.
D
We
had
councilwoman
heart
attack
out
yesterday
to
be
able
to
do
a
hard
hat
tour,
so
she
got
to
see
firsthand
the
great
progress
that
we're
making.
The
only
thing
that
we
have
left
on
the
agenda
is
our
meeting
room
renovation.
That's
going
to
be
based
in
November
of
this
year.
We
have
the
fourth
level
meeting
room,
so
we
couldn't
take
out
of
service
to
get
renovated
by
20
by
June,
so
we
pushed
it
out
to
November
other
than
that.
D
The
last
thing
that
component
that
we
have
is
part
of
our
Capital
Improvement
project
is
our
public
Arts.
We
had
three
finalists.
We
we
recommended
them
to
the
art.
Department
they've
actually
got
to
come
to
you
guys
to
get
the
contracts
awarded
and
we
should
be
able
to
go
good
to
go.
The
final
installation
is
going
to
be
about
2024.
D
D
Hopefully
I
got
that
right
and
they
don't
change
the
name.
But
it's
going
to
be
an
Ode
to
Tampa
it's
going
to
be
the
city
of
Tampa
morphing
into
a
big
pirate
sale.
So
it
gives
us
an
identity
and
a
good
icon
for
the
center.
We
have
some
projects
going
into
our
rotunda
area.
That's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
Technology
based
and
a
nice
abstract
piece,
that's
going
to
go
over
by
our
entrances
to
the
central
Hall.
D
So
those
are
my
updates
I'm
going
to
be
really
quick
because
most
of
my
stuff
is
99
done
and
even
though
it
was
encumbered
and
spent
we're
still
on
tracking,
and
we
should
be
coming
a
little
bit
under
budget.
So
hopefully
that'll
be
a
good
thing
for
everybody
and
we
had
to
make
a
couple
tweaks,
but
we
should
still
be
make
that
deal
of
being
able
to
come
in
under
budget.
So
any.
E
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you
again
for
the
tour
yesterday.
It
was
really
wonderful
to
see
how
far
you've
gotten
and
how
close
we
are
to
the
Finish.
I
know
that
punch
list
is
always
the
hardest,
but
I
actually
had
a
question
for
you
and
Dennis
together,
Mr
O'hara.
E
We
since
we've
already
had
this
wonderful
budget
discussion.
One
of
the
things
that
is
the
convention
center
considered
an
Enterprise
fund.
F
No
you're
correct;
no,
it
is
not.
It
is
not
an
Enterprise
phone,
I
I
think
some
of
this
will
be
conjecture
on
my
part.
Yeah
the
convention
center
wildly
successful.
Okay,
it's
risen,
just
as
you
know,
the
the
Tampa
Renaissance
has
risen,
but
that
wasn't
always
the
case.
So
there
was
a
period
of
time,
especially
when
it
had
Debt
Service,
where
it
needed
General
funding,
so
I
think
culturally,
it
just
never
morphed
into
an
Enterprise
fund.
E
Okay,
because
I'm
I
know
that
one
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
when
at
the
convention
center
is
always
the
ability
for
expansion
and
how
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
space,
a
we
don't
have
a
large
footprint,
but
we
actually
do
have
space
to
expand
and,
and
we've
had
that
conversation
already
about.
You
know:
where
do
we
go
next
and
and
even
it's,
it's
a
fabulous
problem
to
have
that.
E
As
soon
as
we
finish
this
expansion,
we
will
be
at
limit
again
and
just
wondering
if,
as
an
Enterprise
fund,
if
you
know
helping
to
fund
its
own
renovation
work
Edition,
because
I
see
that
via
viability,
moving
forward
to
always
need
to
expand
to,
and
as
we've
been
talking
about
all
this
type
of
funding,
the
CRA
funding
is
going
to
be
going
away
at
some
point.
So
just
just
the
discussion
of
talking
about
what
what
we
do
I
know
that
won't
necessarily
be
something
that
would
need
to
be
happening
forever.
E
But
it's
it's
a
huge
economic
driver
right
now
and
at
the
very
least,
I
would
love
to
see
it
in
the
budget
as
kind
of
its
own
piece
of
the
pie
in
terms
of
the
revenue
we
get
I
think
that
would
be
something
eventually.
That
would
be
interesting
to
see
the
expenditures
versus
Revenue,
so
we
can
kind
of
look
at
it
more
and
see
how
we
can
maybe
make
it
its
own
Enterprise
again
I
may
be
way
off
tangent
here,
but
that's
just
one
of
the
things
after
our
conversation
earlier
today,
no.
D
D
So
if
our
projections
this
year
are
10
million
dollars
to
make
in
revenue
and
our
expenditures
are
at
10
million
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
expand
and
put
in
a
capital
Reserve
fund,
as
we
talked
about
usually
in
our
industry
in
most
places
anywhere
from
one
to
three
percent.
You
put
back
into
account:
Apple
investment,
so
you're
always
constantly
moving
forward
as
opposed
to
coming
back
every
10
years,
going
I
need
70
million
dollars.
D
I
need
50
million
dollars
where,
if
you
you
spread
that
over
over
10
years,
you
have
the
ability
to
continue
to
be
update,
updated
in
Orlando
the
catch
fun,
they're,
not
Journal
funded,
even
though
they're
a
quasi
Enterprise
fund,
because
the
fact
that
the
tdt
is
what
subsidizes
any
shortcomings.
So
we
don't
have
that
luxury
here
to
have
that
support
outside
of
the
general
fund.
F
And
you
know
I'll
just
add:
we
talked
about
it
earlier
with
the
parking
fund.
You
know,
historically,
it's
a
bit
unusual
for
the
general
fund
to
supplement
an
Enterprise
fund,
but
typically,
what
you
would
do
is
you
would
raise
rates
and
or
cut
expenditures,
but
it
was
coming
off
the
Great
Recession
and
the
priorities
were
okay,
we'll
we'll
supplement
will
be
the
backstop
to
that
Enterprise
fund.
A
D
H
Years,
well
that
Convention
Center
for
a
long
time
was
just
the
opposite.
It
was
a
money
pit
that
went
the
other
way.
Why?
Because
we
didn't
have
the
convention
hotel
and
we
had
a
crew
that
we
don't
have
anymore,
that
crew
used
to
pick
up
the
sidewalks
at
five
o'clock
and
put
them
back
down
at
six
o'clock
in
the
morning.
So
few
people
could
walk
in
town
and
that's
how
it
was
so
those
things
I'm,
exaggerating
but
believe
me
all
that
are
factual.
H
So
when
you
look
at
that-
and
it
wasn't
until
mayor
Greco
had
the
opportunity
to
bring
the
Marriott
Hotel
and
that
started
a
spur
and
a
just
a
little
bit
better,
and
at
least
the
people
had
a
place
to
stay
when
they
came
to
the
convention
center
or
some
of
them
did
then
other
hotels
came
the
embassy
and
all
the
others.
So
you've
had
an
enormous
growth
of
opportunity
to
have
your
convention.
Ears
have
a
place
to
stay
across
the
street,
the
high
or
whatever
they
want
to
call.
H
It
change
his
name
every
four
years,
but
those
are
the
things
that
brought
it
to
Sheraton
across
the
street
was
something
that
need
to
sum
up,
bring
it
up
to
standards
and
it
did,
and
these
are
the
things
that
make
it
happen.
Then
you
had
another
thing
that
was
doing
well,
but
not
as
well
as
it
today,
and
that
was
the
Tampa
Bay
tourists
that
for
that's,
not
the
correct
name
but
Santiago
carrada.
C
H
H
Puzzle
kept
coming
together
until
it's
what's
in
your
hands
now,
not
that
you're
not
worthy
of
doing
it,
but
the
plan
is
there
or
you've
got
to
be
basically
a
caretaker
and
make
sure
that
the
conventioneers
are
coming
back
every
four
years
or
something
like
that.
So
these
are
the
things
that
are
going
on
and
you
got
big
shoes
to
fill,
but
you're
a
big
boy.
You
come
from
Orlando
from
a
big
convention.
It's
over
a
million
square
foot.
H
This
is
200
some
odd
thousand
on
the
small
side
of
things,
a
b,
a
b
Convention
Center
compared
to
the
big
ones
like
here
in
Chicago
and
the
one
in
Las
Vegas
and
those
are
the
big
big
convention
centers.
So
what
you've
done
is
you
came
over
now
and
your
job
just
steered
in
the
right
direction
and
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
do
what
we're
doing
and
everybody's
satisfied.
So
thank
you
for
the
job
you're
doing.
Sir.
Thank.
J
Only
real
brief
I
thought,
councilman
and
Miranda
was
going
to
say
what
I
said
when
he
asked
about
the
age
of
the
convention
center,
because
I
just
wanted
to
bring
since
I
was
just
then
this
past
week,
up
to
my
fellow
Council
persons
who
have
may
have
not
been
over
to
the
convention
center
recently,
it
is
definitely
showing
its
age
and
I
think
that
we're
going
to
have
to
be
prepared
to
invest
in
that
to
bring
it
up
to
you
know:
20
20,
something
standards,
so
just
just
awareness
that
you
can
definitely
tell
that
it's
it
is
it's
it's
how
old
it
is,
and
it
probably
needs
some
improvements
and
welcome
to
Tampa.
I
Yeah
further
to
that
point,
I
know
you've
only
been
here
a
few
months.
How
long
has
it
been
now
six
months
six
months,
but
if
you
ever
want
to
have
a
workshop
item
discussed
to
discuss
the
business
of
the
convention
center,
what
the
future
is
and
everything
I
think
that
would
be
a
worthwhile
conversation
whenever
you're
ready
talking
about
where
its
relative
position
is,
how
competitive
we
are
et
cetera.
But
the
other
thing
I
want
to
ask
Mr
Haro,
sorry
to
make
you
get
back
up.
I
But
if,
if
to
further
to
what
some
of
my
colleagues
were
saying,
if
the
convention
center
had
its
own
p
l,
what
would
it
you
know,
including
Debt,
Service
or
depreciation
or
whatever?
What
would
what
would
the
numbers
be?
Do
you
know
off
the
top
of
your
head,
I.
F
D
F
We
could
work
out.
We
could
work
up
that
p
l
statement
for
you
kind
of
further
to
to
council
Newman's
her
attack
Point
how
how
the
how
they
look
by
themselves.
You
know
in
in
their
in
their
own
Universe.
I
Yeah
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
look
at
it
and
and
like
that's,
if
two
million
is
coming
from
the
CRA,
it's
still,
you
know
it's
still
tax
money,
so
it
would.
I
It
would
be
interesting
to
look
at
the
you
know,
the
the
revenues
from
operations
versus
the
expenses
and
then
and
then
we
it
ideally
we'd
use
that
whatever
that
model
is
to
go
back
in
time
also
and
then
look
at
what
the
what
the
subsidy
is
and
and
I
understand
that
you
know
the
purpose
of
government
is
is
to
serve
market
failures,
and
if,
if
convention
centers
were
highly
profitable,
the
private
sector
would
own
them,
and
so
we
invest
in
them
so
that
we
can
get
a
return
from
everything
else
and
we
can
measure
that
in
hotel
taxes
and
other
things
which
are
going
up
astronomically
now
so
I
know,
there's
a
there's
a
an
economic
impact,
but
there's
a
there's:
a
hotel
tax
revenue
impact,
there's
a
number
of
people
but
I'm
just
curious.
I
It
sounds
like
we've
been
closing
the
gap
on
whatever
the
subsidy
is,
but
it's
just
interesting
to
study
that
over
time
and
we
can
explain
why
we
subsidize
it.
But
if
we're
closing
the
Gap,
that's
a
success
that
we
should
talk
about
too.
Thank.
I
No,
but
if
you
but
but
they're
not
covering,
if
we're
pulling
two
million
dollars
out
of
CRA,
that.
I
Yes,
if
you
just
looked
at
it
like
a
p
l,
including
everything
that
we're
whatever
it
is,
we're
subsidizing
it
and
we
shouldn't
so
that
somebody
doesn't
go,
create
a
video
explaining
why
we
should
subsidize
it
I'm
making
the
point
already.
We
should
subsidize
the
question
is:
how
much
is
it
now
relative
to
what
it
was
before
just
so?
I
We
can
track
that
over
time,
because
when
you
come
back
and
talk
about
the
business
case,
you
might
say
well
because
of
the
additional
Renovations
we
need
to
spend
even
more,
but
we
expect
their
return
on
that
subsidy
to
be
whatever
in
the
community,
so
they're
they're.
We
should
just
explain
the
business
case
a
little
retrospective.
Thank
you.
D
Through
Hillsborough
County,
okay,
any
hotel
I
could
see
in
Hillsborough,
County
collects
I
believe
it's
six
cents.
Okay,.
K
L
D
Added
to
the
total
and
last
year,
the
easy
way
to
do
it
is
they
did
about
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
Hotel
Revenue,
which
equates
about
60
million
dollars
in
tdt.
Okay,.
D
B
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
that's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say.
You
have
to
look
not
only
at
what
what
you
have
and
what
you're
getting
subsidies
from,
but
what
you
have
the
service
that
you
give
how
much
revenue
is
created
because
the
hotel
I
mean
the
convention
center
is
here
and
the
hotel
rooms
are
rented
and
other
things
in
nature,
they're
spending
money,
how
many
people
come
in?
What's
the
average
spending
for
four
days
say
for
a
convention
or
three
days
stay
for
a
convention?
What
do
they
do?
What
do
they
eat?
H
What
are
they
doing?
You
have
all
those
figures,
I'm
sure
from
your
past
experience
or
the
big,
the
big
one
in
Orlando.
So
these
are
the
things
that
you
look
at.
Not
only
what
is
costing
you.
Maybe
you
still
need
subsidy
of
2
million,
but
what
does
that?
2
million
give
you
back
in
return
for
the
area,
the.
H
H
O
Good
afternoon
Council
Adrian,
Colina,
director
of
logistics
and
asset
management
and
the
project
owner
for
the
Hannah
Avenue
project
I
wanted
to
take
a
minute.
Even
though
the
project
is
about
85
percent
complete
on
the
main
building
to
just
go
over
the
business
case,
you
know
and
why
we
did
what
we
did.
We
had
several
departments
operating
out
of
outdated,
inefficient
outgrown,
leased
office
space,
one
of
which
was
scheduled
for
demolition
we
had
to
vacate
and
they
were
located
within
flood
zones
and
with
insufficient
parking.
O
O
We
did
study
the
option
of
either
leasing
space
in
the
future
or
developing
a
vacant,
city-owned
property
and
clearly
decided
that
developing
that
city-owned
site
and
investing
in
the
East
Tampa
Community
was
our
best
option.
The
city-owned
site
offers
accessible
parking
and
an
appropriate
elevation.
It's
not
in
a
flood
zone
and
when
I
talk
about
parking
I
just
want
to
mention
to
you,
the
Construction
Services
Center
on
North
Boulevard,
we've
been
in
that
building
for
many
many
years,
there's
approximately
90
parking
spaces
there.
O
When
you
take
out
spaces
to
accommodate
our
EV
charge
vehicles
to
accommodate
ADA
requirements,
our
employees,
it
left
under
20
parking
spaces
for
our
customers,
so
we
clearly
had
to
move
from
there.
That's
not
a
good
option
for
us,
so
this
new
site
will
have
ample
parking.
It
co-locates
six
City
departments
and
results
in
cost
of
avoidance
of
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually.
When
you
think
about
our
rent
payment,
o
m
cost
and
that
doesn't
factor
in
any
escalation
over
the
time
period.
O
It
also
allowed
us
to
obtain
reimbursement
because
it's
a
Brownfield
site
and
so
remediating
the
soil
there
and
cleaning
that
up
allows
us
to
take
advantage
of
some
of
that
Financial
reimbursement.
And
finally,
it
now
provides
a
gathering
space,
as
councilman
Miranda
mentioned
earlier.
Having
a
gathering
space
in
that
Community,
there
will
be
an
outdoor
Green
Space
and
we
will
have
a
community
meeting
room,
something
we
don't
currently
have,
so
it
just
provided
something
that
we
don't
have.
O
Where
are
we
with
it
right
now?
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
approximately
85
percent
complete
with
the
main
building,
and
we
expect
that
building
to
begin
occupancy
in
60
days,
the
end
of
August,
our
Lemon
Street
folks,
which
are
the
ones
that
were
most
critical,
will
begin
occupying
that
building
now
I
turned
it
off.
O
Okay.
Here
we
go
so
these
pictures
were
actually
taken
on
Monday,
so
you
can
see
where
we
are
on
Monday
and
when
you
look
at
that
Southwest
view,
I
really
want
to
I
wish
I
could
enlarge
the
picture,
but
so
for
a
little
under
105
million
dollars.
That
is
the
construction
cost
that
whole
campus
is
being
built.
What
do
we
have
you
see
on?
O
The
very
top
is
the
main
building.
Then
you
see
the
parking
garage
behind
that
you
will
see
the
Fleet
Maintenance
building,
which
will
be
will
service,
sedan
and
light
duty
vehicles
and
then
off
to
the
left
in
the
back.
You
see
a
pad,
and
that
is
just
the
foundation
for
our
facilities
building.
So
that
has
not
yet
begun
construction,
but
that's
what
you
see
there
and
then
what
you
do
not
see
but
in
front
of
the
main
building
will
also
be
the
Gathering
space.
What
we
will
call
Hannah
Square.
O
You
also
really
can't
see
too
well,
but
there
are
fuel
pumping
stations,
so
City
vehicles
that
are
out
on
that
side
of
town
can
fuel
up
there
as
well.
So
those
are
the
different
components.
The
top
right.
You
see
our
community
room,
I
mentioned
to
you.
It's
something
we
don't
currently
have
carpeting
went
in
on
Monday
and
you
see
all
those
windows.
Those
windows
will
be
overlooking
Hannah
Square.
So
if
there's
any
activity
going
on
in
the
Square,
people
in
the
community
room
can
see
that
that
room
will
double
as
a
coupe
site
for
Council.
O
Should
you
need
to
conduct
meetings
there?
It
will
be
equipped
technologically
to
have
meetings
from
that
room,
as
well
as
other
meetings
needing
large
spaces,
and
then
the
bottom
picture
is
just
from
the
Northeast
view.
So
what
you're
able
to
see
there
is
the
main
building
and
then
the
same
buildings
I
described
to
you
before,
but
looking
at
the
opposite,
View.
O
So
the
construction
costs
timing
was
critical
at
the
time
we
looked
at
timing
simply
moving
the
folks
from
Lemon
Street,
because
that
building
was
going
to
be
demolished.
We
had
no
idea
the
tsunami
that
was
coming
behind
us
with
cost
increases,
as
it
relates
to
supplies,
materials
and
labor.
So
we
timing
was
absolutely
great
when
we
went
when
we
did
what
we
did.
O
Hannah
Avenue
has
seen
a
three
percent
increase
and
that
three
percent
was
due
and
and
I
will
say
it.
It
was
a
good
thing
to
the
addition
of
solar
panels.
That
was,
a
council
asked
that
we
were
happy
to
oblige
and
additional
EV
charging
stations
as
Council
as
chairman
Maniscalco
mentioned
earlier,
solar
and
just
being
conscious
to
the
environment
is
important.
So
that's
what
we've
seen
in
terms
of
escalation
costs
so
far
at
Hannah
Avenue.
O
We
actually
compared
the
cost
for
the
three
buildings,
not
counting
the
parking
garage
that
have
been
constructed
and
just
averaging
those
three
buildings.
It
was
a
construction
cost
of
339
dollars
per
square
foot.
Currently
what
you're
seeing
is
about
a
six
hundred
dollar
per
square
foot
construction,
commercial
construction
cost.
So
again,
timing
was
great
for
the
City
of
Tampa
and
doing
that.
O
I
want
to
also
share
with
you
as
it
relates
to
construction
escalation
cost.
We
will
be
coming
before
you
again
in
the
near
future
to
make
whole
on
those
escalation
costs.
The
contract
allowed
for
500
000
in
escalation
for
material
we've
exceeded
that
right
now.
We're
looking
at
about
3.7
million
is
what
construction
escalation
cost
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
We
factored
in
for
concrete,
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars
per
cubic
yard
when
it
was
actually
purchased.
O
That
number
was
a
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
per
cubic
yard,
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
concrete
at
Hannah
and
so
and
then
also
the
projections
the
GMP
came
in
when
the
main
building
had
60
drawings
and
the
fleet
and
Facilities
buildings
were
simply
at
schematic
design.
So
I
think
they
did
a
very
good
job
forecasting
on
what
those
costs
might
be
and
not
realizing
what
the
volatility
of
the
market
coming
behind
us.
O
Community
engagement
I
have
to
tell
you
this
project
I'm
the
project
owner
and
I'm
the
crowd
project
owner
I
will
say
that
it
has
been
such
a
team
effort.
I
have
collaborated
with
all
the
stakeholders
we
have
mentioned
in
the
great
eight.
Many
of
them
are
behind
me.
Today.
Community
engagement
has
been
huge
this
morning.
Our
owners
rep
Jonathan
Moore
with
Envision
majon,
was
here.
Unfortunately,
he
had
meetings
this
afternoon
and
he
couldn't
stay,
but
he
shared
with
me.
This
project
is
really
setting
the
stage
for
future
projects.
O
He's
been
impressed
with
the
construction.
So
far,
he's
been
impressed
with
DPR
the
organization
of
the
project,
and
especially
our
apprenticeship
programs,
and
that's
our
owner's
rep.
That's
the
person
that
we
pay
to
find
problems
and
that's
what
he
said
and
I
wish.
He
could
have
been
here
this
afternoon,
but
he
couldn't
but
Community
engagement
has
been
key.
O
We
intend
to
be
a
good
neighbor
and
we
feel,
like
we've
already
started,
that
we
have
so
far,
just
in
the
last
few
months
had
sent
out
24
e-newsletters
to
interested
community
members
who
have
signed
up
for
those
newsletters
and
what
we've
been
taking
the
opportunity
to
do
in
those
newsletters
is
introducing
the
Departments
that
will
be
moving
there
and
what
they
do.
Just
so
people
know
who's
coming
to
the
building
and
what
we're
going
to
do.
Prior
to
that,
when
we
started
this
journey,
we
were
still
in
Coven
mode
2021.
O
A
lot
of
our
meetings
were
on
teams
or
Zoom.
We
had
some
in
person,
so
we've
been
engaging
with
the
community
throughout
an
exciting
Community
engagement
project
that
we
have
been
working
on
is
the
actu,
the
artwork
that
will
be
inside
the
building
outside
the
community
room.
So
right
when
you
come
outside,
we
have
actually
had
15
seniors
that
are
participating
in
our
Parks
and
Rec
programs
who
want
to
do
embroidery.
O
They
have
been
embroidering
different
pieces,
it's
kind
of
been
a
Colors
by
number
kind
of
thing,
and
they've
been
working
on
it
that
the
artist
that
we
commissioned
to
do.
This
will
put
all
those
pieces
of
embroidery
together
and
it
will
be
something
that
is
very
depictive
of
Tampa
palm
trees,
water,
the
balustrade.
O
It's
it's
very,
very
beautiful,
but
this
these
are
our
seniors
and
they
have
been
so
excited
to
be
part
of
this
project
and
can't
wait
for
them
to
be
there
when
that
is
hung
up,
we've
done
walking
tours,
which
you'll
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
from
our
Mobility
team,
because
one
of
the
issues
or
one
of
the
concerns
was
the
impact
that
500
employees
would
have
on
the
traffic
there.
O
So
we
talked
earlier
a
little
bit
about
our
apprenticeship
goal
and
where
we
are
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
DPR
voluntarily
participated
in
this,
because
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
came
into
effect
after,
but
they
are
very
proud
of
this.
We
are
currently
looking
at
a
little
over
nine
percent
of
our
apprenticeship
girl
goal,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
and
that
goal
is
12
percent.
We've
had
44
apprentices
participate
in
the
program
and
many
of
those
have
gone
on
now
to
other
projects.
So
it
wasn't
a
one
and
done
that's
the
intent
of
this.
O
For
me,
it's
not
about
the
number
at
that
nine
percent
is
great,
but
it's
really
about
making
a
difference.
It's
about
investing
in
our
youth,
which
is
our
future
investing
in
those
people
who
want
to
have
a
career
in
the
construction
industry
to
date,
over
16
000
hours
of
apprenticeship
work
has
been
conducted
there
at
Hannah
Avenue,
so
a
little
bit
about
the
trades
working
on
the
job.
O
The
four
trades
that
have
been
represented
have
been
Carpenters
electricians,
plumbers
and
structural,
Iron
and
steel
workers,
and
that's
how
we've
come
up
with
the
number
of
hours
in
our
percentages.
I
want
to
point
out.
The
plumber
hours,
of
course,
is
our
largest
it's
over
seven
thousand
and
that's
Ackerman
Plumbing,
which
actually
is
a
union
contractor
with
a
state
registered
apprenticeship
program.
O
So
that
was
a
big
win
there
in
terms
of
Evo,
we've
worked
very
closely
with
our
Evo
office
and
I'm,
sharing
with
you,
the
numbers
that
have
been
submitted
by
DPR
and
verified
by
ebo
our
ebo
office,
as
well
as
our
owner's
rep.
So,
as
you
know,
the
goal
for
the
project
is
35
percent
and
of
that
20
percent
was
dedicated
to
black
business
owners
and
15
percent
to
small
local
business
owners.
O
We
are
tracking,
although
it's
not
part
of
the
percentage,
women
and
minority
owned
businesses
as
well.
So
what
does
that?
Look
like
I'm,
extremely
proud
to
say?
We've
exceeded
the
BB
Eagle
remember
it
was
20.
That
number
is
22
percent
that
is
committed,
and
that
means
over
23
million
dollars
have
gone
to
Black
businesses
in
as
a
result
of
the
Hana
Avenue
project.
Our
slbe
number,
you
will
see
is
not
where
we
want
it
to
be.
It's
actually
point
three
percent
three
times
a
percent,
but
it
does
represent
357
000
and
total.
O
We
have
committed
over
23
million
dollars.
I
want
to
share
with
you
a
little
bit
something
that
I've
learned
through
this
project.
You
can't
be
counted
twice
so
if
you
are
a
black
business
owner
who
is
also
a
small
local
business
owner,
you
can
only
be
counted
in
one
area,
and
so,
if
we
were
able
to
count
them
in
both
or
count
I
know,
we
will
be
well
over
in
both
categories.
But
again
to
me
it's
not
about
the
numbers.
It's
about
making
the
difference
in
the
lives
of
many,
and
so
remember.
O
Council
has
asked
repeatedly.
We
want
people
from
East
Tampa
working
on
the
project.
We
want
people
within
that
zip
code
range,
so
a
lot
of
them
are
small
local
businesses
who
are
black
so
we're
counting
them
in
one
and
unfortunately
falling
short
in
the
other,
but
doing
very,
very
well
overall,
and
that
takes
me
to
the
mobility
part
of
it
and
I.
Think
Lara
was
going
to
talk
about
the
mobility
Parts
unless.
G
Know
I
am
so
excited
that
you're
standing
before
me
today,
because
when
we
were
on
the
campaign
Trail,
this
was
just
a
Hot
Topic
item
and
just
the
exaggerations
of
what
was
occurring.
140
million
dollars
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that
it
was
at
105.
I
know.
Probably
everything
about
it
initially,
regarding
communication
was
not
perfect,
but
just
based
on
your
presentation
today,
I
really
appreciate
all
of
the
details
that
went
into
this
project
and
the
fact
that
it
is
located
in
East,
Tampa
I
think
is
just
so
ideal
that
that's
exciting
to
me.
G
G
That's
something
that
we
definitely
need
to
make
the
community
aware
of
to
utilize
that
space,
especially
when
it
comes
to
you,
know
whatever
there's
going
to
be
planned
for
a
grand
opening
I
think
there
is
the
I
mean
I,
wanted
you
to
clarify.
You
said
Brownfield
site,
so
an
opportunity
to
also
clean
up
a
area
of
East,
Tampa
I
think
was
very
critical.
I
didn't
know
that
piece
and
I'm
glad
that
you
presented
that
as
well,
so
other
than
that
the
total
square
footage
of
this
project.
G
It
sounds
like
especially
in
the
height
of
construction,
that
this
is
a
very
affordable
project
and,
as
we
said
on
the
first
day
of
council,
this
is
a
reset.
So
this
is
a
great
thing
for
our
city.
The
Hannah
Street
project
should
not
have
this
continued
controversial
discussion
just
based
on
what
you
presented
today.
So
I
appreciate
that
thank.
I
I
O
Do
not
we
do
not
and
I
don't
have
the
interest
numbers
I,
don't
know
if
Mr
Rogero
does
the
operating
expenses
remember,
this
will
be
the
first
building
with
solar
power.
So
we
know
that
we
are
going
to
see
a
reduction
in
operating
expenses
there.
We
have
some
projections,
but
what
the
actuals
will
be
at
this
point.
We
do
not
know.
I
And
first
of
all,
I
should
say
thank
you
all
for
the
transparency
of
this
presentation.
All
the
detail-
and
you
know,
based
on
prior
discussions,
you
all
in
the
chief
of
staff
have
put
in
business
case
and
everything
but
I
I,
just
think
we
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
all.
The
numbers
am
I
close
on
54.,
very.
I
I
But
let's
say
if
you,
if
you
add
these
numbers
up,
104
plus
plus,
let's
say
four
to
round
up:
that's
108,
plus
56,
we're
about
164
and,
let's
say
over
over
30
years,
I
think
it
would
be
reasonable
to
say
that
the
the
operating
expenses
would
have
to
at
least
be
36
million.
I
I
So
the
net
for
two
buildings
was
going
to
be
about
60
million,
and
now
it's
104,
plus
3.7
I,
think
the
original
that
we
approved
was
up
to
108,
so
we're
still
within
the
108,
but
just
to
show
from
Context
it's
it's
it's
gone
up
and
then
plus
the
interest
plus
the
operating
expense.
Let's
just
say
round
numbers
over
30
years:
200
million.
Can
you
go
back
to
the
first
slide?
You
had
please
I.
O
Can
but
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing:
this
building
was
never
going
to
be
the
police
station.
I
want
to
be
real,
clear,
I,
don't
know
why
that
keeps
coming
up.
No.
I
No,
no
I
didn't
say
that
the
police
station
was
going
to
be
across
the
street,
but
the
original
budget
said
100
million
for
the
police
state,
the
police
headquarters,
and
this
building
and
and
then
we
were
going
to
offset
it,
and
then
it
came
back
a
few
months
later
for
one
and
building
for
108
million.
So
the
the
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
have
had
to
do
in
a
business
case
is
figure
out.
Well,
how
much
would
we
have
to
pay
for
rent
if
we
didn't?
I
O
I
Okay,
so
so
for
my
colleagues
in
the
public,
five,
five
hundred
thousand-
let's
say:
let's
say
it
quadrupled
so
let's
say
it
was
two
million
dollars
a
year,
because
we
were
not
and
got
to
nicer
office
space
and
we
ran
out
two
million
dollars
a
year.
If
you
divide
200
million
by
30
years,
you
get
about
I,
think
six
and
a
half
million
six
and
a
half
million
a
year.
I
If
you
take
out
the,
let
me
see
if
you,
if
you
divide
it
by
50
years
and
you
see
I,
don't
think
the
life
of
a
building
without
Capital
expense
would
be
50
years
to
use
50
years,
it's
still
4
million.
So
the
point
is
that
it
is,
it
is
double
or
triple
if
you
use
500
000
compared
to
six
and
a
half
million
a
year.
What
is
that
13
times?
I
So
it's
13
this
building's
13
times
more
expensive
than
it
costs
today
to
rent,
and
even
if
you
said
well
on
the
high
side,
we'd
be
spending
instead
of
500
000
2
million
a
year,
it's
still
three
three
and
a
half
times
more.
So
the
point
is
that
I
think
it
I
think
it
is
great
for
transparency
to
mention
five
hundred
thousand
as
a
comparison,
but
in
our
business
case
we
have
to
explain
that
it
is
more
expensive
than
it
would
have
been
to
rent.
I
Even
if
you
multiply
it
times
six
times,
it
still
would
be
more
expensive
to
rent
I
mean
it
would
be
it's
more
expensive
than
renting,
and
so
there
have
to
be
other
things
that
are
in
this,
like
the
community
space
and
others
that
justify
why
we
would
spend
so
much
more
money
if
I
had
to
go
back
again
and
look
at
it
and
we
had
a
real
rental
equivalency,
which
we
did
not
get
in
the
beginning.
I
When
you
first
looked
at
it,
I
would
have
I
would
have
rejected
it
and
then
can
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
A
I
I
You
rent
I
understand
it's
better
to
own,
because
then
we
have
the
property
and
we're
going
into
new
area
everything,
but
it
is
a
lot
more
expensive
than
renting,
and
we,
if
we
rent
it
from
a
developer,
we
could
have
gotten
everything
we
wanted
built
into
it,
but
it
still
is
more
expensive
buying
than
renting
the
next
sorry.
The
next
slide.
I
We
talk
about
the
escalations
but
they're.
All
the
counter
argument
is
that
we
pay
too
much
in
the
beginning,
so
and
and
on
the
per
square
foot
I'd
like
to
dig
into
that
another
time,
but
I
wonder
if
the
600
includes
land
costs
and
the
339
does
not
I
mean
there's
there's
a
lot
of
apples
and
oranges
here,
if
also
with
our
other
embedded
costs
in
this,
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
apples
and
apples.
I
It's
great
that
we're
having
the
conversation,
and
we
have
a
lot
more
transparency
here
than
we've
ever
had.
It
still
is
wildly
more
expensive
than
it
would
have
been
to
rent
or
get
anybody
to
build
our
own
building.
But
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
it,
we
it's
it's,
it's
a
cost
because
we've
already
made
the
decision,
but
we
need
to
talk
about
it
in
terms
of
what
are
the,
what
are
the
additional
benefits
if
we
could
have
paid
500
000
a
year
and
now
we're
paying
six
and
a
half?
What
are
the?
I
O
Well,
I
looked
just
just
Tuesday
of
this
week.
I
was
looking
at
commercial
cost
and
in
the
West
Shore
area,
a
building
that
was
built
in
1972
one
building,
not
as
large
as
this
was
going
for
327
dollars,
a
square
foot
and
the
average
to
construct
this
new
one.
According
to
what
we
need
is
339,
a
square
foot
and.
I
If
I
remember
correctly,
Tampa
City
Center
across
the
street
I'm
looking
it
up
it
sold
around
yeah.
Here
it
is
no
it's
it's
sold
for,
like
100
I,
don't
remember
exactly
it
sold
for
like
110
million
back
in
2019.
So.
This
project
was
started
in
2015.
Had
somebody
in
2019
said:
hey
we're
going
to
need
more
space,
Why
Don't,
We,
Buy,
Tampa,
City
Center.
It's
too
much
capacity.
We
could
have
rented
it
and
and
broken
even
on
it
instead
of
building
a
new
building
somewhere.
I
So
that
the
point
the
point,
we
can't
go
back
and
undo
this
project,
but
the
public
does
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
it.
We
need
to
figure
out
better
ways
to
explain
it,
but
my
most
important
point
is
looking
forward.
Instead
of
back,
we
really
need
to
scrutinize
decisions
like
this
and
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
they
were
really
looking
at
the
numbers,
because
when
you
talk
about
a
200
million
dollar
building,
we
could
have
probably
fixed
all
the
roads
in
the
city.
I
For
that
much
we
definitely
could
buy
all
the
fire
stations
and
police
stations
that
we
need
in
the
city
we
could
fix.
We
would
be
a
third
of
the
way
to
fixing
all
the
parks,
so
we
just
need
to
be
really
careful
going
forward
and
I
want.
Last
thing:
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
investment
in
the
Arts
and
public
engagement,
because
you
all
seem
to
be
doing
a
good
job
on
that.
O
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
want
to
say
something
councilman,
so
you
mentioned
in
2019
it
sold
for
110.,
so
2023
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
and
we
would
not
have
been
able
to
achieve
two
goals
with
that
right.
I
mean
maybe
more,
but
definitely
two.
So
we
can't
use
a
coupe
site,
because
if
this
area
is
flooded,
downtown
is
36
feet
above
sea
level.
Hannah
is
63
feet.
So
if
this
area
is
flooded
and
you
need
to
continue
operating
going
across
the
street
to
solving
nothing
so.
I
My
my
yeah,
it
is
2000,
it
is
2023
versus
2019,
but
this
project
started
in
2015.,
and
so
somebody
in
2015.
My
argument
is
instead
of
just
somebody.
Obviously
in
2015
decided
we
want
to
put
somebody
had
a
vision
for
a
pet
project
or
whatever
put
an
office
building
in
this
site,
and
and
it
we've
not
been
presented
any
evidence
that
they
looked
at
any
other
sites
or
any
other
kind
of
thing.
I
They
just
wanted
a
building
in
this
site
and
because
they
didn't
have
the
money
to
build
at
the
time
they
put
it
on
mothball
and
somewhere
around
2009
19.
It
came
back
and
then
then
it
it's
meat
started
to
get
on
the
bones,
because
it
was
the
ability
to
bond
it
out.
My
point
is
that
somebody
in
2015
or
even
in
2019,
should
have
looked
at
all
the
options.
I
Instead,
it
appears
that
really
only
this
option
I'm
not
blaming
any
of
you
all,
but
somebody
did
not
look
at
all
the
options,
because
any
reasonable
person
would
have
spent
two
million
dollars
a
year
instead
of
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year
or
spent
500
000
a
year
versus
six
and
a
half.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you
and
then,
and
then
the
other.
The
other
goal
that
we
would
not
have
been
able
to
achieve
is
ample
parking,
convenient
parking,
and
that's
the
other
thing
that
this
Hannah
Avenue
project
does
our
customers
don't
have
to
look
for
parking
and
pay
for
parking,
they
can
come
right
outside
and
have
ample
space
and
then,
as
far
as
operating
costs,
this
building
will
be
a
new
building,
so
that
number
in
terms
of
operating
and
maintenance
is
going
to
be
significantly
less
for
quite
a
few
years.
O
We
have
warranty
in
the
beginning
and
then
it's
new
there's
a
lot
of
energy
efficiencies
in
that
building
that
we
would
not
have
had
at
City,
Center
or
even
the
ones
that
we're
renting
now
and
then,
of
course,
the
solar.
So
to
give
an
accurate
number,
we
really
have
to
be
there.
We
can
go
off
different
consumer
indexes
to
see
what
operating
costs
are,
but
when
we're
there
is
when
that
true
number
is
going
to
be.
There.
I
But
no
business
would
invest
in
a
building
without
having
estimated
projection
of
operating
expenses,
and
it
could
be
the
same
thing
as
the
incinerator
plant
that
these
documents
exist
somewhere
and
maybe
you
all
haven't
seen
them.
We
haven't
seen
them,
but
but
somebody
should
have
an
estimate
of
operating
expense.
That's
just
a
standard.
J
J
You
know
in
both
sides
of
these
discussions,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
get
I,
don't
I
hate
to
see
the
good
points
get
lost
in
in
these
in
this
in
this
discussion,
because
what
we
hear
like
what
we've
just
heard
from
Carlton
councilman
Carlson
is
Lessons
Learned
to
move
forward
as
we
go
towards
new
projects
and
as
we
go
as
we
move
forward
as
a
city
and
we're
going
to
experience
this
tremendous
growth
and
I
think
that's,
that's
probably
I
think
that's
what
what
I'm
listening
to
is.
Lessons,
Learned
and
I.
J
Think
that's
that's
the
point.
As
you
know,
we
are
we're
going
to
move
into
Hannah
and
it's
going
to
be
a
great
building.
It's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
beautiful
place
for
people
to
work
and
but
but
the
next
project.
You
know
this
is
the
way
we
should
do
something.
I
have
a
question,
though,
about
Hannah:
are
we
moving
what
what
percentage
of
the
building
is
going
to
be
filled
when
we
move
in
so.
O
J
O
B
H
H
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
if
you
own
your
land
and
you
own
your
building
from
the
exception
of
it
a
you,
don't
have
to
worry
about
what
rare
increases
unless
you're
on
a
football
team.
You
got
a
30-year
straight
line
where
you
don't
have
to
pay
any
higher
rent
from
the
beginning
to
the
end
of
the
contract.
So
you
go.
H
Follow
these
Trends
and
a
if
I
follow
all
those
Trends
Water
Street,
where
it
never
been
built
and
guess
who's
paying
the
people
who
are
leasing
the
people
who
are
ready
so
how
many
neighbors
in
the
city
of
Tampa
do
you
know
they
buy
houses
to
rent,
they
don't
use
it
to
lose
money
and
we're
forgetting
about
the
upswing
and
value
of
whatever
the
property
is
whether
it's
this
microphone
or
this
chair
or
whatever
it
is
that
you're
touching.
H
If
you
have
something
of
value
it
will
appreciate,
and
at
the
same
time
it's
appreciating
of
your
privacy
depreciation
on
the
something
that's
appreciated
and
you
only
pay
the
tax.
When
you
sell
and
I'm
not
smart
I
went
to
well
I
didn't
never
went
to
high
school
I
went
to
Jefferson.
So
what
I'm
saying?
Is
it
taught
me
a
lot
of
things
more
than
math?
H
H
And
somehow
I'm
a
bank
account
of
larger
now
than
it
was
then
I,
don't
understand
it
I
just
don't
so
you
buy
a
building,
no
matter
if
you're,
a
private
investor
or
a
government
building
it's
going
to
have
the
same
cost,
the
same
Insurance,
the
same
depreciation
and
the
same
Upstream
Upstream
in
value
as
time
goes
by
so
I
sit
here
and
I.
Tell
myself
maybe
they're
right,
but
I,
don't
think
they're
right
100!
Certainly
you
can
call.
When
you
buy
a
car,
you
say:
oh
I
can't
buy
the
car.
H
E
You,
the
the
big
concern
and
the
thing
that
we
all
don't
talk
about
is
the
expense
of
bonding,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I'd
really
love
to
know
again
with
budget
coming
up
is
how
much
do
we
have
bonded?
What
are
the
future
costs
because
I'm
as
we
as
we're
considering
a
recession,
one
of
the
things
are,
those
are
those
are
sunk
costs,
as
you
were
I
mean
we're.
Gonna
owe
that
regardless
and
so
I
want
to
know.
E
I
know,
you've
you've
showed
us
a
lovely
you
we've
seen
the
bar
graphs
before,
but
but
really
focused
on
one
particular
area
or
another,
but
I
would
love
to
see
overall
like
where
we
are
in
bonding.
You
could
even
do
like
different
colors
in
that
bar
graph
about
what
is
bonded
for
what
area
or,
however,
you
want
to
do
it,
but
I
would
just
love
to
see
an
overall
picture
of
bonding
and
then
maybe
projection
for
the
next
four
or
five
years
with
the
projects
we're
considering.
E
What
more
do
we
want
to
bond
because
I
know
we're
talking
about
possibly
like
bonding
for
a
park
is
a
is
it
for?
Parks
is
is
on
the
agenda
and
I've
heard
I've
heard
already
from
tons
of
community
members
that
are
absolutely
against
more
bonding.
So
I
think
that's
that's
what
comes
from
this
discussion,
but
to
go
back
to
Hannah
Avenue.
E
Thank
you
for
that
Mr
O'hara,
to
go
back
to
Hannah
Avenue
and
talking
about
the
walking
tour.
The
last
walking
tour
I
was
aware
of
was
several
years
ago.
Has
there
been
a
more
recent
walking
tour
so.
O
E
Because
I
would
recommend
at
least
one
more
walking
tour
I
drive
that
area.
It's
already
congested
and
500
more
cars
a
day.
Is
it
still
a
huge
concern
from
the
neighbors?
That's
that
that
concern
has
not
been
addressed
adequately
for
the
Neighbors.
It
just
has
not,
and
so
I
think.
That's
another
reason
that
this
project
still
leaves
a
not
so
great
taste
in
some
of
the
community's
mouths,
because
they
are
very
concerned
about
the
uptick
in
traffic.
E
I
know
we
have
folks
in
wheelchairs
and
that
live
close
by
that
I've
heard
from
and
again
I
was
involved
with
those
Community
meetings
long
before
I
joined
Council,
because
that
was
my
neighborhood
is
my
neighborhood
I
haven't
moved,
but
just
you
know
the
addition
of
that.
E
Another
walking
tour
I
would
I
would
also
I
would
also
encourage
a
walking
tour
again
six
months
after
the
project
has
opened
because
the
we
we
don't
yet
know
the
full
consequence,
but
when
we
do
have
the
full
consequence,
we
need
to
be
incredibly
receptive
to
neighbors,
so
I
would
even
get
that
on
the
books
now
and
let
them
know
it's
coming.
E
I
know
they're.
Listening
now
so
they'll
not
be
expecting
to
hear
about
that,
but
it's
just
something
like
that
to
really
really
we
can
project
as
much
as
we
want
to,
but
when
the
reality
hits,
someone's
people
are
going
to
find
other
ways
they're
going
to
find
the
cut
throughs
they're
going
to
find
all
of
that.
So
how
do
we
work
with
the
community
to
to
deal
with
those
impacts
as
they
come
to
keep
the
community
a
major
part
of
this
project?
So
thank
you.
P
All
right,
good
afternoon,
council
members,
my
name
is
Laura
Bow,
I'm,
Chief
production
engineer
with
the
mobility
department
I'm
here
this
afternoon
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Hannah
Avenue
Mobility
improvements,
which
is
really
a
series
of
three
projects
that
really
came
as
a
direct
result
of
the
public
Outreach.
That
was
mentioned
earlier
for
the
the
city
center
at
Hannah
Avenue.
P
So
during
the
the
walking
tour
that
Miss
Kalina
talked
about-
and
there
was
a
follow-up
that
Mobility
did
about
a
year
ago-
was
actually
before
I
joined
the
city
and
other
community
meetings
that
were
part
of
the
Outreach
for
the
new
facility.
What
staff
heard
from
the
community
was
that
they
were
concerned
about
how
all
of
these
extra
trips
were
going
to
impact
both
traffic
operations
and
safety
on
roadways
within
the
community,
and
so
in
response.
P
In
addition
to
the
walking
tour
and
thank
you,
councilwoman
hurt
Tech,
we'll
talk
with
Community
about
maybe
doing
another
one.
What
Mobility
did
was
do
a
study
looking
at
what
the
anticipated
impacts
would
be
to
the
roadway
network,
based
on
all
of
the
additional
trips
that
we're
expecting
for
the
facility,
and
that
study
came
with
it.
Some
recommendations
to
both
improve
safety
and
vehicular
operations
and
to
increase
the
lighting
within
the
neighborhood,
particularly
where
we
have
crosswalks.
P
So
the
identified
projects
which
I
will
summarize
on
the
next
slide
among
the
anticipated
benefits.
We
expect
them
to
provide
improved
safety
for
our
bicyclists
of
pedestrians
and
other
vulnerable
roadway
users
to
maintain,
or
hopefully
improve
our
vehicular
operations
and
also
to
add
the
street
lighting
which
I
mentioned
previously,
so
where
we
are
today
we're
sort
of
right.
At
the
beginning,
a
consultant
has
been
engaged
to
the
design
for
these
projects
and
we
awarded
them
noticed
to
proceed
in
April
and
as
of
right.
Now
we
have
a
public
meeting.
P
P
The
second
project
is
along
24th
Street
between
Hannah
Avenue
and
Sly
Avenue
and
within
that
segment,
we're
playing
to
add
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
the
roadway,
as
well
as
installing
always
stops
at
each
of
the
intersections
within
that
segment.
And
then
the
third
project
is
at
the
intersection
of
Sly
Avenue
and
30th
Street
and
in
addition
to
signalizing
the
intersection
and
the
signal
design
is
also
currently
underway
and
I.
Believe
that
is
going
to
be
installed
this
summer.
P
P
E
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
specificity
on
this
foreign,
the
the
new
turn
lane
into
City
Center.
How
many
cars
will
that
hold.
E
That
I
would
appreciate
it
yeah
just
an
email,
yes,
because
that's
that's
a
real
big
pain
point
for
folks,
they're
saying
well,
if
you're
turning
in,
if
there's
only
room
for
two
cars-
that's
not
that's
not
enough,
and
if
I
remember
currently,
there
is
a
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
already
so
we're
adding
a
second
one
on
the
south.
E
That's
that's
great
I
would
love
a
visual
on
how
you
plan
to
add
bike
lanes,
because
that
is
a
really
Narrow
Street
already
so
I
think
some
visuals
for
both
myself
and
the
community.
Yes,
they
would
love
to
see
how
you
anticipate
doing
that,
because,
right
now,
just
in
a
car,
it's
tight,
so
that
those
are
the
things
that
I'm
most
interested
in
I'm
happy
about
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
of
24th,
but
I
do
know,
and
I
can't
remember,
maybe
is
24th
the
one.
E
That's
just
really
it's
a
small
narrow
residential
street
might
be
23rd
as
well.
That's
also
just
any
of
the
cut
through
pain
points,
so
24th
might
have
been
the
one
it.
P
A
E
One
that
that
everyone
was
concerned
about
well.
Thank
you.
I'm
I'm,
really
glad
we're
doing
that,
because
the
first
iteration
of
the
this
Mobility
plan
did
not
include
any
of
that.
So
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
you
are
listening
to
the
community
and
continuing
to
to
grow
there.
E
That
is
something
that
I
think
everyone
will
really
appreciate.
The
the
four-way
stops,
especially
thank.
B
G
G
Yeah
I
definitely
won't
make
a
motion
about
it.
I
just
wanted
I
just
was
curious
because
you
know
in
the
new
construction.
That's
a
part
of
my
life.
You
know,
I
see
some
mistakes
when
it
comes
to
how
long
the
light
stays
red
or
green,
especially
during
high
peak
hours,
so
I,
just
because
this
is
such
a
residential
area.
G
The
consideration
of
that
I'm
just
curious
about
it.
As
we
go
into
you
know,
making
that
decision
when
everybody
is
moving
in
and
those
500
cars
that
were
discussed
they're,
not
all
coming
to
work.
At
the
same
time,
police
is
24
hours
a
day,
so
you
know,
maybe
it
not
may
not
be
as
many
as
mentioned
at
one
time.
Absolutely:
okay,
I.
Q
Don't
know
if
I
could
just
add,
we
can
have
an
offline
discussion
in
more
detail
for
you,
okay,
and
we
do
welcome
you
or
any
of
you
to
come
to
our
traffic
Management
Center.
That
is
the
Brain
Trust
of
where
we
make
all
these
signal
decisions,
the
timings
we
have
very
set
Protocols
of
how
those
timings
are
calculated.
Q
We
also
have
Federal
requirements
in
terms
of
the
red
time
and
the
green
time
that
we
have
to
meet
so
there's
a
lot
that
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
of
how
those
signal
timings
are
developed,
but
we're
happy
to
give
any
information
you'd
like
to
have
on
that
specifically
about
this
new
signal
or
just
the
traffic
management
process
in
general
and
again,
our
traffic
Management
Center
is
located
at
twigs
and
Meridian
across
them
at
new
Publix.
So
anytime,
you
like
a
tour,
please
let
us
know
and
we're
happy
to
do
that
for
anyone.
I
R
So
for
those
of
you
that
weren't
here
when
the
pipes
program
was
approved
and
that
new
council
members,
our
business
case
for
this,
was
included
several
years
of
extensive
data
collection
and
from
that
we
prepared
four
Master
plans,
one
for
each
treatment,
plant
and
pump
stations
and
then
one
for
the
Wastewater
collection
system
and
one
for
the
distribution
system
that
set
forth
the
the
business
case
and
allowed
us
to
prioritize
the
worst
of
the
worst
I
will
say
that
we,
our
service
area,
does
go
outside
the
city,
so
20
percent
of
our
customers,
for
both
Water
and
Wastewater
are
outside
the
city
limits.
R
So
some
of
these
projects
are
not
only
city-wide
but
outside
the
city,
but
I
will
say.
We
certainly
have
Incorporated
Equity
into
this
program
because
we
have.
Unfortunately,
we
have
pipelines
that
are
failing
all
over
the
city
and
outside
the
city,
the
current
status
of
the
of
the
program.
It's
a
20-year
program,
2.9
Million
dollars
or
almost
2.9
Million
Dollars,
a
billion
I
mean,
did
I,
say
Millions.
R
You
know
it's
a
little
bit
bigger
than
that
2.9
billion.
We
are
approaching
our
fourth
year
of
the
program.
It
was
approved,
September,
5th,
2019,
so
about
20
percent.
But,
as
Dennis
alluded
to
earlier,
we
have
encumbered
or
have
under
construction
or
closed
out
about
45
of
this.
So
we're
significantly
ahead
of
schedule.
R
R
Do
I
I
want
to
talk
a
little
about
the
pipeline
before
I
go
into
the
four
projects
that
Aaron,
Eric
and
I
chose
to
highlight
today,
and
we
have
goals
in
the
water
department
to
replace
20
miles
of
pipeline
a
year
and
then
goes
in
the
Wastewater
Department
to
line
in
a
non-destruct
method,
30
miles
of
pipeline
a
year
so
and
then
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
I
didn't
mention
this
I'm
councilman
Miranda
would
not
like
it,
but
I
didn't
mention
that
this
2.9
billion
dollar
program
is
at
the
end
of
20
years
is
projected
to
be
54
percent
pay
go
and
46
percent
bonded
I
would
challenge
you
to
find
a
program
of
this
size.
R
To
answer
your
questions,
the
first
one
is
David
L,
tip
and
water
treatment
facility
chemical
system,
Improvement
project,
since
this
one
is,
is
just
a
super,
exciting
project,
because
our
water
treatment
plant
is
in
the
middle
of
three
neighborhoods
and
currently
we
disinfect
our
water
using
liquid
chlorine,
which
comes
in
on
rail
cars
and
I.
Don't
want
to
go
into
the
detail
about
the
security
associated
with
that
and
the
dangers
associated
with
that.
R
But
with
this
new
plant
and
it's
called
the
hypochlorite
plant,
we
will
be
able
to
produce
low
strength,
bleach,
that's
not
dangerous
and
that
will
be
eliminated.
So
this
project,
design
and
construction
is
estimated
to
be
37
million.
We
are
nearing
completion
on
the
storage
part
of
the
facilities.
We
have
not
started
the
plant
itself
to
generate
the
chlorine,
because
we
still
we
need
to
use
that
rail
building
to
continue
to
take
rail.
R
C
R
E
You
I
this
is
come
off
the
rails
as
it
were
on
topic,
but
I
do
have
to
ask
that
once
that
chlorine
from
my
understanding,
the
only
thing
that
that
rail
system
does
is
go
to
the
chlorine
plant
or
from
that
the
rail,
the
rail
line,
yeah.
R
R
E
Okay
and
so
I
would
love
to
talk
about.
You
know
like
a
rail
trail
system
when
that's
done,
if
we
could
make
that
more
of
a
like
a
yeah
repurpose
that.
R
That
that
spur
would
be
eliminated.
Okay,.
E
It
will
be
eliminated
and
then
I
guess
I
was
not
here
for
this.
If
this
was
done
during
the
last
Council
I'm,
not
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
the
chemical
processing,
so
this
is
a.
This
is
a
safer
process
and
a
safer
chemical
than
the
one
we
get
shipped
via
rail.
Much.
R
With
the
rail
card
deliveries
we
have
now,
if
we
were
to
have
a
major
leak,
it
would
really
cause
some
serious
health
issues
and
maybe
even
worse,
with
the
people
who
live
in
the
area,
so
that
would
be
totally
eliminated.
Great.
E
R
You
so
you're
welcome
and
then
the
next.
The
next
project
is
a
suspended
ion
exchange.
If
I
could
have
the
next
Coke
I
got
to
do
it
thanks
Laura
project-
and
this
is
the
suspended,
ion
exchange
project
at
the
water
treatment
plant,
not
to
be
confused
with
the
pilot
at
the
Howard
air
current
plan.
R
We
this
project
estimated
design
cost,
is
14
million
dollars
and
the
estimated
construction
cost
is
145
million
dollars.
We
are
currently
in
negotiations
on
the
design
for
this.
This
is
this
is
changing
treatment
processes.
So
this
is
a
big
deal,
but
in
changing
this
process
we
estimate
we
will
save
4
million
a
year
in
operation
and
maintenance
costs
in
in
three
primary
areas.
We
will
reduce
sludge
production
by
70
percent.
R
We
will
reduce
ozonation
electrical
costs
and,
as
well
as
an
operational
Improvement
of
increasing
I'm,
sorry
increasing
the
times
between
back
washing
the
filters
so
and
we,
as
as
a
kind
of
icing
on
the
cake.
If
you
will
we,
we
expect
to
be
able
to
produce
slightly
higher
quality
water
as
well
so
and.
R
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Eric
where'd.
He
go.
R
A
R
The
country
yes-
and
there
are
smaller
ones
in
the
United
States,
but
ones
ones
of
this
size-
are
in
the
Netherlands.
Okay,
yeah,
that's
where
the
technology
is
used
and
then
the
pilot
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
later
is
Howard.
Kern
is
used
very
little
if
any
in
on
the
Wastewater
side
of
things
gotcha.
Thank
you.
M
Afternoon,
Eric
Weiss
Wastewater
Department
director
here
to
talk
about
two
Wastewater
projects
that
are
pretty
good
size
that
are
almost
done:
the
first
one,
the
Howard,
F
Kern
wastewater
treatment
plant.
We
have
a
sludge
dewatering
facility
and
the
way
we
treat
waste
water
excuse
me.
We
treat
the
sludge
at
the
Wastewater
Plant.
We
treat
it
to
a
degree
that
it
can
be
used
for
a
land
application
and,
more
specifically,
we
have
contracts
with
a
vendor
that
takes
it
to
ranches
in
the
area
they
spread
out
and
use
it
for
grass.
M
We
pay
by
the
ton
to
take
that
and
dislodge
material
to
the
ranches,
and
that's
where
this
project
comes
into
play.
Because
when
we're
at
the
end
of
our
sludge
treatment
process,
it's
90
water,
only
10
percent
of
its
solids.
So
when
you
pay
by
the
ton
it's
real
attractive
to
try
to
squeeze
as
much
water
as
you
can
out
of
the
sludge.
So
if
you
see
the
picture
on
the
left,
there's
a
three-story
building
that
we
built
sludge
goes
to
the
top
of
it.
M
M
Tractor
trailers
come
up,
the
dry
material
goes
in
it
and
they
go
off
to
the
ranches
to
dispose
of
our
sludge,
we're
about
done
with
this
project
in
July,
we're
going
to
start
up
the
facility
and
expect
it
to
be
fully
operational
in
August,
okay,
next
project-
you
may
have
heard
about
this
before
the
Harbor
Island
Wastewater
Force
main
so
back
in
the
1950s,
the
city
put
in
a
five
foot
diameter
Wastewater
pipe
down
the
middle
of.
What's
now,
Harbor
Island
down
to
the
South
End
tip
one
under
the
bay
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
M
Well,
we're
now
70
years
later,
and
that
pipeline
we
say
is
past
its
useful
life
and
needs
to
be
replaced.
But
nowadays,
when
we
we're
going
to
go,
do
that
our
Braun
is
all
built
out.
There's
nowhere
where
you
can
put
a
five
foot,
diameter
Wastewater
pipe
to
get
onto
Harbor
Island,
go
south
and
then
get
off
again,
so
the
solution
was
go
around
Harbor
Island
and
that's
what
we've
done
the
picture
to
the
left
pretty
interesting.
M
That's
at
kokichobi
Park!
That
is
a
80
foot,
deep
shaft
and
a
tunnel
that
goes
underneath
the
beneficial
bridge
to
Harbor
Island
underneath
the
sudden
Channel.
It
comes
up
at
Port,
Tampa
Bay,
it's
about
3
200
feet
and
it's
actually
the
third
longest
pipe
tunnel
in
the
United
States
happy
to
report
that
the
outside
tunnel
was
just
completed
about
two
weeks
ago.
So
we
have
a
complete
tunnel
from
Port
Tampa
Bay,
all
the
way
to
coconchobee
park.
M
Where
we're
going
now,
the
next
two
months,
we're
going
to
then
put
our
Wastewater
facilities
inside
this
tunnel,
so
that'll
take
about
two
months
and
then
fill
the
dirt
into
the
shafts.
And
then
the
final
work
on
this
entire
project
is
to
go
out
into
Franklin
Street.
To
do
the
final
connections,
then
it'll
probably
be
happening
in
the
fall.
M
Know
I've
been
asked
by
the
contractor
at
the
French
contractor
that
does
this
boring.
You
can
get
a
cart
and
go
from
one
side
to
the
other.
You
know
I'm,
six
foot,
five
and
I
was
like
I'm,
not
sure
I
could
Crouch
down
at
a
cart
and
get
pushed
from
one
side,
the
other
they
use
that
to
pull
because
the
outside
tunnel
casings
in
place.
M
J
Much
thank
you
yes,
sir.
So
how
disruptive
is
the
connection
piece
going
to
be
to
what's
on
Frank
it's
on
Franklin
and
is?
Is
it.
M
Going
to
be
disrupted
good
question,
the
last
piece
of
this
whole
project-
80
million
dollar
project-
it
is
out
in
Franklin
Street
in
front
of
the
convention
center,
but
we're
still
going
to
maintain
traffic
onto
the
island
for
a
period
for
the
whole
period
and
then
for
a
period
when
you
get
off
the
island.
You'll
have
to
take
a
right
on
Water
Street.
J
M
I
Yeah,
that's
what
I
was
just
going
to
say.
Based
on
what
my
colleague
said,
you
know
they're
very
active
and
in
fact
they
demanded
this
option
instead
of
the
one
through
the
middle
of
the
island.
So
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
they
understand
what
the
disruption
will
be
and
and
if
we
need
off
to
be
police
officers
or
whatever,
we
need
to
book
all
that
in
advance
to
make
sure,
because,
with
everything
developed
across
the
water,
it's
really
congested
there.
Now.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
Q
President
so
Council.
That
concludes
this
item.
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
indulging
us
with
this
time.
We
have,
as
councilwoman
Henderson
mentioned
over
300
projects.
We
would
like
to
come
in
and
talk
about
every
one
of
them.
This
way,
obviously,
that's
not
reasonable,
but
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
all
of
you
for
different
briefings.
Q
We
want
you
to
ask
us
anytime.
You
would
like
a
briefing
on
something
or
if
there's
something
that
would
need
to
make
a
motion,
or
we
can
come
before
this
forum
to
present
something
orange
juice
is
to
try
to
be
as
available
and
transparent
on
any
of
these
projects.
As
you
can
see,
one
project
could
take
a
couple
hours
to
talk
about
because
they're
so
complex,
so
we
don't
want
to
be.
You
know
feeling
like
there's
not
enough
information
flowing,
although
it
is
a
lot
of
information
to
try
to
manage
so.
Q
I
Thank
you
all.
Sometimes
we
get
criticized
for
having
long
meetings,
but
this
is
exactly
what
we
need
to
be
talking
about
the
public.
These
are
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
and
public
needs
to
understand
it.
We
need
to
see
the
updates
and
I
think
it's
time
well
spent.
Thank
you
to
all
your
staff
for
putting
together
all
the
details
of
it,
and
we
ask
tough
questions
because
that's
what
we're
supposed
to
do,
but
we
appreciate
you
all
coming
back
all
the
time
with
more
and
more
information
all
the
time.
I
The
one
one
thing
I
want
to
add
on
the
pipes
program.
I
have
been
getting
a
lot
of
complaints
recently
about
what
are
bills
being
high
and
the
the
you
know
when,
once
you
go
above
a
certain
level,
the
price
goes
up
and
it's
I
think
it's
a
lot
more
related
to
the
pipes
rate
increase
than
it
is
any
kind
of
Rider
that
might
be
added,
but
what
I
would
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
you
all
give
an
update
to
rate
payers.
I
If
you
can,
with
the
the
status
of
the
pipes
program,
I,
would
recommend
a
rendering
that
shows
like
just
you
know,
what's
been
complete,
just
a
picture
that
shows
what's
been
completed
and
what
still
has
to
be
completed,
because
people
have
been
putting
up
with
congestion
and
roads
being
shut
and
all
that
and
it
people
would
like
to
know
what's
being
done,
but
also
you
can
say
you
know.
This
is
what
we've
been
spending
your
money
on
and
why
and
and
then
the
other
thing
is.
I
We
should
include
conservation
message
in
there
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
hey
by
the.
Q
We
can
sort
of
look
at
maybe
putting
something
like
that
on
our
website.
Maybe
there's
a
way
we
could
update
it
as
well.
For
those
that
want
to
see
some
sort
of
progress,
it's
harder
to
show
the
progress
of
the
plants,
but
we
can
maybe
show
some
water
line,
coverage
projections
or
completions.
E
And
I
I
would
piggyback
on
that.
I
was
going
to
recommend
even
just
like
a
quick
video
to
add,
because
honestly,
just
the
pictures
you
have
are
fine.
A
E
Don't
think
we
need
to
do
anything
crazy
above
and
beyond,
but
if
you
have
a
visual
and
say,
oh
well,
we're
this
far
along
like
the
the
chlorine
plant.
It's
a
great
example.
You
can
and
just
the
pictures
of
what's
going
under
the
water
I
mean
yeah,
there's
no
picture
under
the
water.
That's
fine,
but
people
are
happy
to
know
that
that's
done
and
and
how
long
that's
going
to
last
and
and
that
that
it's
getting
close
I
think
people.
K
E
To
know
that
it's
getting
close
to
being
done
and
and
to
also
share
you
know
what
already
has
been
done
well,
this
piece
is
already
finished
and
maybe
not
mention
the
ones
to
come,
but
just
you
know
where
we
are
sorry,
but
but
thank
you
again,
your
your
work
is
this
work
is,
is
the
stuff
that
is
really
hard
to
take
credit
for
and
to
show
and
for
the
public
to
truly
understand
it,
because
it's
never
going
to
be
visible,
but
it's
the
stuff
that
impacts
us
all
the
most,
and
so
thank
you
so
much
for
all
of
that
and
yeah.
E
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
really
share
that
with
people
I
think
in
the
long
run,
they're
always
grateful.
So
thank
you.
Q
B
You
last
time
of
the
day
is
going
to
be
bundled
six,
seven
and
eight,
and
this
is
to
discuss
Pure
or
whatever
they
call
it
today,
I'd
like
to
I
hope
we
can
wrap
up
by
four
o'clock.
We
have
a
4,
45
special
call,
correct
CRA,
and
then
we
go
into
our
evening
meeting
beginning
at
five.
So
hopefully
we
can
manage
all
this
and
get
public
common
and
everything
yes,
ma'am
go
ahead.
Thank.
Q
You
again
Gene
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure
Mobility.
From
our
perspective,
we
see
this
as
being
a
rather
brief
item.
It's
up
to
you
whether
it
needs
more
conversation
so
quickly
on
item
six
and
seven
this
these
are
actually
continued
back
from
March.
Q
The
team
is
PCL
and
carollo,
and
so
we
provided
the
information
related
to
the
invoice
questions.
We
are
hopeful
that
those
are
satisfactory
to
everyone
haven't
heard
any
further
questions
regarding
that
material.
Q
So
at
this
point
we
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
the
the
tasks
in
that
contract
there's
only
one
task
remaining
that
is
active
and
that
is
related
to
the
sixth,
the
suspended
on
Exchange
pilot
project
at
the
Howard
of
Kern
wastewater
treatment,
plant,
the
others
house,
and
that
contract
were
related
to
the
pure
process
and
the
pure
process
is
no
longer
in
place.
Q
It
has
ceased
with
those
tasks
not
being
further
active
in
any
regard
so,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
the
water
challenges
that
started
this
process
have
gone
away.
The
good
news
that
some
Dynamics
have
changed
and
we're
having
excellent
conversations
with
Swift
Mud.
It
was
a
Tempe
water
board
and
their
staff,
and
also
with
dep.
So
we
will
be
continuing
to
work
on
these
Water
Challenges
related
to
our
discharge
of
the
plant
related
to
Sulfur,
Springs
related
to
planning
for
our
water
future.
Q
Q
So
with
that
I
did
want
to
share
some
information
about
the
six
pilot.
I
have
Eric
Weiss.
Here
our
Wastewater
director,
we
also
have
our
parole
team
of
experts.
Two
of
those
joined
us
today
in
case
there's
any
really
deep
technical
questions,
you'd
like
to
ask,
and
so
with
that
I
let
Eric
just
to
share
a
little
bit
about
the
six
pilot
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
M
Good
afternoon
again,
Eric
Weiss,
director
of
the
Wastewater
Department,
we're
excited
in
the
Wastewater
Department
about
this
technology.
It
has
the
potential
substantially
increase
the
water
quality
of
the
water
coming
out
of
the
Howard
F
current
treatment
plant
to
the
bay
and
that's
Organics,
that's
nutrients
like
phosphorus
and
nitrogen,
which
can
advertly
impact
impact
sea
grasses
in
the
bay,
and
maybe,
if
you
guys
have
ever
heard
of
pfos,
it's
one
of
those
forever
chemicals.
M
When
this
was
done,
the
same
technology
pilot
plant
was
done
at
the
David
tip
entrapment
plant
great
success,
and
they
did
have
some
success
regarding
pfos,
we're
hoping
that
it's
going
to
be
the
same,
the
pilot,
all
the
equipment
is
now
on
site
at
our
treatment
plant.
They
put
it
together,
hooked
up
all
the
Electrical
Plumbing
piping,
so
we're
about
one
week
away
from
starting
it
up.
M
The
whole
process
should
take
about
four
to
six
months,
so
starting
in
June,
ending
October
and
we'd
be
more
than
glad
to
provide
any
updates,
as
that
goes
along,
and
it
finally
ends
with
a
final
report
of
how
did
it
work.
So
in
that
regard
we
do
have
Dr
Melanie
Patrick
here.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
about
the
process.
E
You
I
just
just
a
quick
question
about
so
we're
looking
at
June
to
October,
yes
and
knowing
that
that
is
just
the
scientific
part.
The
report
writing
part
always
takes
a
little
bit
longer.
When
do
we
think
we'll
actually
have
some
reporting
to
share.
So
just
just
some
little
so
I
can
keep
a
note
on
my
calendar.
We.
M
E
Well,
that's
that's
very
reasonable
and
I
had
and
I
wanted
to
thank
Miss
Duncan
because,
as
councilman
Clinton
was
talking
about
Lessons
Learned
elsewhere,
I've
written
down
that
very
thing
for
this.
E
So
I
appreciate
the
lessons
learned
and
I
see
some
of
our
stakeholders
in
the
audience
also
nodding
about
the
lessons
learned
and
I'm
greatly
appreciated
that
and
I
do
anticipate
to
continue
to
work
with
both
our
stakeholder
public
stakeholder
groups
and
the
city
on
moving
forward
in
in
smaller,
smaller
iterations
and
smaller
pieces,
but
and
I'm
not
quite
sure.
If
they
need
to
talk
about
it,
but
I
believe
it's
probably
you
need
to
talk
about
it
right
now.
E
We
have
about
785
thousand
dollars
left
in
the
account,
and
a
lot
of
the
Public's
question
was:
where
is
that
money
going.
M
The
good
news
is
this:
is
a
hundred
percent
Grant
reimbursable,
so
all
the
money
that
that
they're
creating
on
this
project
is
reimbursable
through
the
Department
of
Environmental,
Protection
and
and
the
Bureau
of
Reclamation,
so
we'll
be
getting
that
money
back,
but
it
is
again
would
stay
within
the
Enterprise
fund
because
that's
how
water
and
wastewater
is
funded,
but.
E
E
Water
department
so
I
appreciate
that
the
answer
for
the
the
actual
money
and
where
that's
going
so
it
will
not
have
funding
the
only
other
question
and
I.
Don't
know
that
this
season
is
even
a
question
for
you
all.
As
much
as
the
question
for
the
attorneys,
we
have
a
contract
for
a
design,
build
the
only
way
to
end
that
contract
is
to
do
a
design
build.
Otherwise
it's
just
sitting
open.
L
L
Q
Okay,
it
was
that
wasn't
director
to
you,
I'm,
sorry,
Gene
Duncan.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
just
say
it
a
little
more
simply
when
the
six
pilot
task
is
complete,
this
contract
will
sunset
whatever
the
legal
mechanics
are
for
that
it
will
sunset.
There
will
not
be.
We
will
not
be
coming
back
with
a
build
Amendment
for
you
to
act
on.
Q
E
And
that's
all
I
ask
is
that,
because
for
the
public
I
think
folks
really
want
to
know
that
this
is
sunset.
It's
done
and
when
there's
still
that
design
build
again
just
from
past
projects
and
past
concerns,
I
think
if,
if
we
were
able
to
have
an
amendment
to
somehow
close,
that
I
think
we
would
all
feel
much
better.
The.
E
Q
E
Q
B
G
B
I
That
they,
what
what
she
was
just
recommending,
it
would
be
great
because
it
would
sure
reassure
us
and
the
public
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
what
happened
on
Anna
doesn't
happen
again.
That,
and
that
is
that
2015
small
contract
ends
up
being
a
2023
big
contract
or
or
going
out
years
on
this
contract.
So
it,
if
you
do
it
that
way,
that
means
you'll
have
to
bring
it
back
before
Council
I.
A
Q
Q
I
It's
not
just
it's
not
just
the
the
ending
of
that
that
phase
or
whatever
it
is,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
motivation
for
this
and
who
was
involved
in
everything,
and
so,
if
all
the
contracts
related
to
it
are
have
ended,
then
that
shows
that
everybody
could
take
a
fresh
start.
The
second
thing
I'll
mention
real
fast,
is
that
everybody
who
talks
to
me
about
this
now
says
why
can't
the
city
just
get
its
lobbyists
to
change
the
law
and
I've
got
my
own
lobbyists.
I
Looking
at
it,
I
have
more
limited
resources
than
the
city
does,
and
I'd,
rather
not
pay
for
all
the
lobbyists
to
get
this
changed
just
so
everybody
knows
we
City
I
and
city
council,
asked
several
months
ago
for
the
administration
to
use
the
lobbyist
to
change
this
law
and
the
cities.
The
mayor's
political
advisor
said
no,
so
I
would
just
ask
again
without
making
a
motion.
I
The
public
obviously
wants
this
done
and
we
can
decide
in
the
future
to
do
whatever
we
want
to
with
this
water,
but
but
state
law
potentially
forcing
us
to
do
this,
especially
knowing
now
in
multiple
ways
the
city
lobbied,
for
it
is
a
big
problem
and
so
I
would
just
again
Ask
the
administration.
Please
use
the
city
lobbyist
to
Lobby,
to
modify
this
law
and
and
modify
get
the
legislative
to
modify
the
dep
rules
related
to
it
and
and
let's-
and
we
should
work
ideally
with
swiftmind
and
Tampa
Bay
water
on
that.
I
But
if
we
get
that
done,
that
gives
us
the
time
to
have
big
Community
discussions
discussed
about
whatever
we
want
to
do
with
this,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
parallel
track
of
talking
to
Tampa,
Bay
water,
and
then
it's
gone
from
20
MGD
to
50
and
because
all
along
I
think
that's
been
the
the
best
option
other
than
the
beneficial
use
of
putting
it
in
the
bay
as
we're
doing
right
now.
Thank
you.
B
J
E
I
was
going
to
say
that
I
will
I
I'm
I'm
I
would
not
I,
don't
want
to
make
a
motion
right
now.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
work
with
legal
to
make
sure
that
the
wording
of
the
motion
is
exactly
what
we
need
and
I
anticipate
to
be
able
to
bring
that
back.
Probably
next
Thursday
just
the
motion
is
that
is
that
is
that
doable
good.
K
Afternoon,
McLean
Evans:
this
is
the
city
of
attorney.
Next
Thursday
is
a
regular
meeting
right,
yeah.
I
K
Yes,
of
course,
and
then
I
was
just
going
to
give
a
courtesy
reminder
of
council's
standing
motion
to
include
Wastewater,
reuse
or
pure
in
the
title,
because
after
you
make
your
motion
and
whatever
language
you
use,
we
cannot
change
it.
So
it
won't
appear
in
the
agenda
as
you
prefer,
which.
E
Is
why
I
want
to
say
I
want
to
work
on
the
motion
with
you
or
whichever
legal
department
person
says
that
they
need
to
so
Kelly
is
listening,
we'll
make
sure
it
happens,
we'll
work
on
it
this
week,
I'll
be
happy
to
bring
it
back
next
30
day.
B
Fair
enough
all
right
anybody
else,
if
not
we'll
go
to
public
comment
at
this
time.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
It's
been
a
it's.
B
S
It's
a
city's
water
department,
understanding
that
to
meet
the
requirements
of
Senate
Bill
64
by
January
1st
2032,
they
must
eliminate
an
average
of
50
million
gallons
of
water
of
discharge
from
its
awt
plant
and
reroute
it
to
other
locations,
often
with
extensive
additional
treatment
to
make
the
water
safe
for
other
uses,
as
I
have
discussed
with
the
water
department
and
the
council.
Senate
Bill
64
is
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
that
is
not
good
for
utilities
such
as
the
city
of
Tampa
that
use
Rivers
for
water
supply,
as
the
need
for
reclaimed.
S
S
Secondly,
Tampa
Bay
is
an
estuary
which
includes
some
of
Florida's,
most
important
water
bodies,
whose
ecology
and
production
of
economically
Sport
and
Commercial
Fisheries
is
dependent
upon
freshwater
flow.
Senate
Bill
does
allow
some
discharges
to
continue
if
they
are
shown
to
have
a
beneficial
effect
at
the
water
Department's
request.
This
past
fall
I
prepared
a
20-page
technical
document
describe
the
functions
and
benefits
of
rolls
of
discharge
from
the
city's
awt
plant
to
Tampa
Bay.
The
city
submitted
this
document,
the
dep's
Wastewater
management
staff
in
their
Southwest
District
in
the
Temple
Terrace
office.
S
The
city
received
a
very
short
email
reply
from
this
reasonable
dep
office.
That
said
that
any
beneficial
effects
from
this
discharge
could
not
be
recognized
because
minimum
flows
and
levels
have
not
been
established
for
Tampa.
Bay
I
can
tell
you.
This
was
not
a
technical,
science-based
conclusion,
but
instead
was
based
on
an
arrow
reading
incentive
64..
Does
this
mean
I
have
20
seconds.
S
I
thought
I
had
time
this
much,
but
it
won't
take
much
longer.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
in
response
to
the
shortcomings
and
the
lines
just
Senate,
Bill
64.
the
stakeholders
develop
and
propose
two
concise
sets
of
language
to
be
amended
to
64,
to
allow
yearly
variances
from
the
average
value
of
surface
discharge
that
must
be
eliminated,
based
on
changing
climatic
conditions.
Secondly,
the
language
also
allow
the
dep
to
recognize
benefits
to
water
bodies
that
do
not
yet
have
regulatory
minimum
flows
and
levels
particularly
estuaries.
S
S
S
Tampa
Bay
represents
a
gradient
of
water
quality
and
biological
conditions
when
it's
Waters-
and
this
does
not
mean
that
all
the
surface
water
discharge
must
stay
in
place.
It
is
possible
that
some
or
much
of
this
discharge
could
be
rerouted
and
not
have
negative
effects
on
the
bay,
but
that
should
be
subject
to
a
detailed
technical
analysis,
so
this
proposal
would
result
in
a
two-phase
process.
S
First,
the
city
would
evaluate
options
for
various
reclaimed.
Water
projects
that
carefully
assess
the
quantities
are
needed
on
short-term
season
on
yearly
basis.
In
doing
so,
the
city
should
interact
closely
with
Tampa
Bay
water
to
help
up
with
plans
that
meet
the
needs
of
the
city
and
the
region.
Each
year
the
city
would
report
to
dep
on
the
status
of
the
assessment
of
plans
for
reclaimed
water
use.
S
So
the
stakeholders
will
prepare
a
draft
proposal
to
dep
which
will
take
about
six
weeks,
and
we
will
be
happy
to
present
it
to
the
city
council,
to
the
city
Administration
to
the
city,
water
department,
Tampa,
Bay
water
and
the
Tampa
Bay
Estuary
for
review
and
input.
If
you
like,
I'll,
be
happy
to
return.
The
council
and
report
on
our
progress
at
a
future
date
thank.
B
E
E
But
absolutely
it's
some
something
that
that
we
I
think
it
kind
of
goes
along
with
what
council
member
Carlson
says
he
wants
to
do
what
to
talk
to
different
to
to
use
our
lobbyists
to
try
to
help
make
that
change.
Thank
you.
S
A
N
Will
and
will
be
completed
but
end
this
contract
and
six
I
want
to
say.
The
six
pilot
test
is
important
because
it
will
look
at
treatments
to
reduce
the
nutrients
and
contaminants
of
the
Wastewater
that's
currently
going
into
the
bay.
So
that's
good
work
that
has
to
be
done.
N
I'd
also
like
to
present
some
other
ideas
of
things
that
can
need
to
be
done.
As
you
know,
we
still
have
water
issues
planning
to
do
so.
I'm,
going
to
present
some
ideas,
starting
with
the
thorough
technical
assessment
of
Tampa's
water
needs
and
quantifying
what
truly
the
water
needs
are.
N
N
N
So
that's
ongoing
they're
going
to
have
more
details
of
that.
They
said
in
August,
so
that's
pretty
much.
It
I'm
glad
to
hear
the
six
work
has
continued.
Another
piece
of
work
that
could
be
done
is
looking
at
hand,
enhanced
Source
control
and
continuing
that
work.
Looking
at
the
industrial
polluters
that
are
polluting
into
the
water.
Looking
at
that
and
yeah.
B
That
concludes
the
agenda
and
the
meeting
can
we
can
we
wait
for
a
new
business
until
this
evening
unless.
T
Want
to
oh,
let's
do
this
chairman
yeah
just
before
we
do
that,
just
just
I
guess
my
item,
working
with
the
city
attorney
number
eight
I
guess
from
this
discussion
is
rendered
moot.
So.
A
T
It's
like,
if
I
can
Mr
chairman,
sir
I
I'd
like
Council
to,
if
you
don't
mind,
I,
think
that
that
motion
is
is
very
much
in
order
and
I'm
not
commenting
on
the
necessity
of
it.
I
just
want
to.
That
was
the
June
date,
June
22nd
the
June
22nd
agenda.
T
You
also
have
the
the
budget
advisory
committee,
and
you
also
have
other
things
I'm
going
to
ask
Council
and
not
take
any
action
on
this
and
and
not
certainly
hold
up
that
motion,
but
to
take
a
look
at
that
agenda
for
that
workshop
and
see
if
there
are
any
items
that
could
be
perhaps
moved
to
another
day
or
combine
things
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
make
that
more
of
a
concise
meeting,
reminding
you
just
like
today,
you
have
a
night
meeting
that
night,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
council's
attention
not
hold
up
this
motion.
T
B
B
I
Yeah
I'm
not
gonna,
be
here
tonight,
I
apologize,
my
son
is
graduating.
I
have
two
forms:
a
b
that
I
need
to
file
from
last
week.
It
was
item
number
12
and
item
number
13.
last
week,
which
I
recuse
myself
from
and
just
to
reiterate,
my
firm
does
some
business
with
the
school
district,
but
nothing
related
to
the
city
of
Tampa
or
this
item.
But
it's
a
caution:
I
recuse
myself,
so.
B
I
And
could
I
just
regarding
what
we
were
just
talking
about?
Are
you
okay,
if
I
make
a
motion
just
regarding
the
state
law,
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
have
City
staff
and
a
representative
Sierra
Club
return
on
August
24th
to
report
on
how
the
city
can
modify
the
state
law,
SB,
64
or
dep
guidelines
regarding
Wastewater
reuse
motion.
I
I
B
Council
member
clendenna,
do
you
have
any
new
business
I?
Do
not
council
member
hertag
I
have
new
things
to
do
it,
yeah,
no,
no
ma'am!
All
right,
I
have
a
couple
of
motions.
Thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
set
the
date
for
accommodation
to
be
presented
to
Jefferson
High
School
baseball
team.
I
would
like
to
schedule
this
for
our
regular
session
meeting
on
June,
5th
15th
and
Council
Chambers.
B
B
B
T
T
Shelby,
yes,
Council,
just
very
briefly:
I
have
two
resolutions
prepared
based
on
last
week's
meeting
re-um
ratifying
and
confirming
the
appointments
you
made
of
Samantha
Decker.
As
a
member
of
the
variance
review
board
and
Dominique
s,
Cobb
is
a
member
of
the
historic
preservation
commission.
We.