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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - September 27, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 9/27/2022
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E
Oliver
is
here
to
briefly
outline
the
project,
including
the
temporary
construction
impacts
to
Thousand
Oaks
and
the
availability
of
the
Project's
environmental
impact
report,
which
is
currently
available
for
public
review.
Mr
slosser.
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
good
evening,
council
members,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
E
As
mentioned,
my
name
is
Oliver
saucer
I
am
the
engineering
program
manager
for
Las
Vegas,
Municipal
Water
District
in
this
role,
I'm
charged
with
leading
the
pure
water
project
for
the
Los
virginas
Triumph
jpa
This
is
a
generational
project
that
will
have
long
lasting
environmental
and
water
supply
benefits
for
the
region.
I
could
not
be
prouder
to
help
bring
this
project
to
fruition
for
the
jpa
tonight.
I'll
briefly
present
an
update
of
the
project
and
share
some
key
project.
E
Milestones
next
slide
to
begin
I'd
like
to
talk
about
why
we're
pursuing
a
pure
water
program,
the
Pure
Water
Project,
accomplishes
several
several
goals
for
us.
Firstly,
the
project
will
allow
us
to
comply
with
future
more
stringent
water
quality
requirements
for
discharging
to
the
Malibu
Creek
by
removing
our
discharge
to
the
creek
and
instead
reusing
that
water.
Secondly,
the
Pure
Water
Project
will
create
a
new
source
of
potable
water
for
our
customers,
as
the
jpa
is
fully
dependent
on
imported
water
sources.
E
Currently,
this
new
local
source
of
water
will
will
be
important
to
address
future
droughts
in
the
effects
of
climate
change.
Lastly,
this
project
allows
us
to
use
title
22
water
that
otherwise
may
have
been
discharged
to
Malibu
Creek
and
the
Pacific
Ocean,
and
instead
treat
it
to
a
higher
standard
for
use
in
our
potable
system,
thereby
bringing
our
water
full
circle
in
the
next
slide.
Thank
you
to
give
an
overview
of
the
project
elements.
The
peer
broader
project
will
utilize
California's
new
guidelines
for
indirect
potable
reuse
through
Reservoir,
augmentation
or
surface
water
augmentation.
E
This
entails
taking
the
title:
22
recycled
water,
that's
typically
used
for
irrigation
purposes
and
produced
at
our
Tapia
wrf
facility
and
sending
it
to
a
new
Advanced
water
purification
facility.
This
will
happen
during
times
when
there
is
an
excess
of
Supply.
Typically,
during
the
winter
months,
this
Advanced
facility
would
run
seasonally
when
water
is
available
and
then
send
that
purified
product
water
to
Las,
Vegas
Reservoir.
E
What
would
blend
with
the
imported
water
we
received
from
Metropolitan
in
the
state
water
project
once
the
water
has
been
in
the
reservoir
for
a
set
amount
of
detention
time.
The
water
is
then
withdrawn,
treated
again
at
our
Westlake
Filtration
plant
before
being
served
to
our
customers.
I
will
go
to
the
next
slide
in
August
our
program,
environmental
impact
report
was
released,
which
discusses
the
possible
alternatives
for
the
project
and
the
potential
environmental
impacts.
We're
looking
at
two
possible
locations
for
the
new
Advanced
water
purification
facility.
E
The
one
you'll
see
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
a
rendering
that
we've
done
in
the
city
of
Agoura
Hills,
the
doc.
The
the
eir
also
considers
a
site
at
our
Las
Vegas
Reservoir
in
Westlake
Village.
We're
keeping
both
of
these
sites
as
possible
options
as
we
go
through
the
environmental
review
process
and
receive
public
comments,
after
which
a
final
site
will
be
selected.
A
rendering
of
the
facility
of
the
at
the
Agoura
Road
site
is
shown
here.
We
are
in
the
pre-design
phase
now
so
this
rendering
represents
about
a
10
level
of
design.
E
So
another
big
part
of
the
project
is
the
pipelines
needed
to
plumb
the
new
awpf
to
the
existing
recycled
water
and
potable
systems
and
to
dispose
of
the
brine
concentrate
that
is
produced
during
the
advanced
treatment,
so
this
will
entail
somewhere
between
20
and
22
miles
of
pipeline.
Overall,
this
pipeline
will
be
in
the
cities
of
Agoura
Hills,
Westlake,
Village
and
Thousand
Oaks,
as
well
as
areas
of
unincorporated
Ventura
County
as
you'll
see
in
the
figure.
E
So
the
concentrate
pipeline
is
the
largest
of
the
pipelines
being
proposed.
It's
roughly
roughly
14
miles
we're
considering
several
Alternatives
in
the
environmental
document.
We
are
we're
trying
to
find
we've
been
working
closely
with
City
staff
and
are
are
hoping
to
select
an
ultimate
alternative
that
will
minimize
impacts
to
Residents
and
businesses
and
minimize
the
overall
construction
time.
This
slide
shows
the
multiple
Alternatives
that
are
currently
being
considered
in
the
document.
We
expect
to
carry
these
options
forward
to
the
design,
build
stage
and
select
a
final
alignment
in
concert
with
the
design
team.
E
This
pipeline
will
convey.
Brian
will
convey
Brian
from
the
treatment
process
to
the
callus
salinity
management
pipeline,
which
ultimately
then
goes
to
the
ocean.
We're
also
exploring
the
possibility
of
using
this
alignment
to
support
augmentation
projects
in
the
region,
which
would
Supply
the
awpf
with
additional
water
and
increase
the
amount
of
water
that
we
can
make
with
that
facility.
These
augmentation
sources
could
include
such
projects
as
the
Los
Robles
Wells.
E
We
go
to
the
next
line,
so
this
is
our
secret
review
schedule,
as
I
mentioned
we're
in
the
middle
of
our
environmental
review
process.
Right
now,
the
public
document
was
released.
In
August
we
held
a
public
meeting
in
September,
which
is
also
available
on
our
Pure
Water
specific
website.
It's
www.rpurewad
R,
sorry
www.rpureh2o.com.
E
F
Share
overall
construction
schedule
with
you,
our
plan
at
the
moment
is
to
start
construction
in
mid-2025
of
that
concentrate
pipeline
construction
of
the
pipelines
as
well
as
the
building
construction
would
mostly
happen
in
parallel
and
would
be
hoping
to
wrap
construction
up
by
before
the
end
of
2027
and
have
the
facility
running
by
mid-2028.
Our
compliance
deadline
for
Malibu
Creek
is
2030,
so
this
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
breathing
room,
but
this
is
the
schedule
that
we're
pursuing
at.
E
A
project
you're
now
bringing
water
into
the
21st
century
using
the
technology
we
have
today,
instead
of
being
dependent
on
snowpack,
which
is
variable
and
rainfall,
we're
now
actually
being
smart
about
Recycling
and
reusing
the
water
here.
I
noticed
that
your
D
cell,
your
reverse
osmosis
plant,
is
7.5.
E
However,
your
Wastewater
plan
I,
if
I
remember
correctly,
is
what
10
million
gallons
is
that
correct
it
rated
for
12
billion
gallons
per
day?
Now?
Why
are
we
below
where
you
could
actually
take
100
of
that
water
from
the
Wastewater
and
do
the
reverse,
osmosis
and
reuse
100
versus
a
smaller
portion
of
it?
So
at
Las,
Vegas
we've
been
Forward
Thinking
for
many
decades,
and
with
that
it
means
that
we've
built
out
quite
a
extensive
purple
pipe
title:
22
recycled
water
system.
We
intend
to
continue
serving
those
customers
and
so.
F
We
are
building
a
plant
that
will
accommodate
the
Surplus
flow
that
we
have,
and
so
the
12
MTD
Tapia
during
the
summer
months,
all
that
water
is
actually
used
for
irrigation
purposes.
We
even
have
to
supplement
with
potable
water
at
times,
so
this
would
take
care
of
the
winter
time
Surplus
water,
where
we
don't
have
customers
for
it.
E
Currently
and
then
the
the
facility
is
sized
at
7.5
MGD,
which
in
concert
with
some
of
our
our
available
outfalls,
add
up
to
the
12
MGD
at
Tapia,
so,
together
with
our
available
disposal
methods,
we're
able
to
match
that
capacity
of
the
Tapia
facility.
Are
you
able
to
expand
at
some
point?
It
would
be
nice
if
we
took
the
10
million
gallons
of
treated
wood,
Wastewater
here
and
Thousand
Oaks
that
are
Hill
Canyon
plant.
That
goes
out
into
nature,
to.
F
Feed
Bambi,
Thumper
and
Tweety
Bird
and
bring
it
back
around
and
pump
it
to
your
plant.
Are
you
able
to
expand
to
accommodate
that
sometime
in
the
future,
so
the
plant
the
way
it's
designed
now
at
7.5
MGD,
both
because
of
the
seasonality
of
when
we
have
available
water
and
just
based
on
the
fact
that
we're
building
a
facility
to
treat
the
upper
book
ends?
We
do
have
capacity
to
take.
B
Such
as
the
Los,
Robles,
Wells
I
believe
we're
still
discussing
Hill
Canyon,
there's
ms4
compliance,
storm
water
opportunities
and
paragram
water
opportunities.
So
we
really
want
to
do
our
best
to
make
full
use
of
this
facility
once
it's
built,
and
we
are
pursuing
that
wonderful,
because
the
solution
for
the
drought
and
water
utilization,
as
everyone
out
of
in
the
water
industry,
like
myself,
is
that
it's
a
regional
solution,
not
a
city
issue.
And
so
we
appreciate
the
cooperation
with
us
virgins
to
look
at
the
future
of
water
usage
and.
E
You're
laying
down
the
groundwork
for
the
rest
of
venture
accounting
I.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
part
of
that.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
Miss
Bill,
De,
La
Pena.
Thank
you,
mayor
Engler.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
tour
that
you
offered
to
council
members
and
others
of
your
facility
a
while
back
at
these
sorts
of.
D
Several
years
we
know
we
can't
rely
on
Sacramento
anymore
for
water,
so
we
have
to
really
act
locally,
regionally,
I
appreciate
that
is
your
presentation
available
online,
the
one
you
gave
just
now.
We
actually
have
a
presentation
online
right
now,
which
was
our.
We
gave
a
presentation
as
part
of
the
ear
process
of
a
public
meeting
that
actually
goes
into
more
detail
than
I
did
this
evening.
So
we
have
lots
of
resources
on
the
our
Pure
h2o.com
website,
including.
E
E
That's
a
real,
quick
question
for
me.
I
know
we
do
have.
We
have
been
the
initial
phase
of
speaking
and
it's
not
just
Ventura
County
you're
L.A
County
we're
Ventura
County,
we're
in
the
same
region,
which
is
great
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
are
Reaching
Across,
that
political
border
to
be
able
to
look
for
Solutions
as
well.
Can
you
go
a
little
bit
into
some
of
the
talks
you've
had
with
our
city
as
far
as
using
some
of
our
groundwater?
D
D
C
D
G
Very
good
now
we
go
to
our
public
comments:
Madam
Clerk.
This
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
12
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes
very
good
and
first
up
on
Zoom,
we
have
Jeffrey
Briggs
Mr
Briggs.
G
Good
evening,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Jeff
Briggs
I
live
in
the
Sunset
Hills
Lang
Ranch
area
I
spoke
to
you
a
month
ago
about
what
I
believe
is
an
urgent
need
for
a
temporary
shelter
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
the
Safety
and
Security
of
the
homeless
and
the
housed
alike.
So
I
wanted
now
to
thank
you
and
congratulate
you
and
show
support
for
the
proposal
that
is
before
you
tonight
to
build
a
temporary
shelter
on
unused
city
land.
It
fits
well
within
your
homelessness
budget.
G
D
H
H
H
and
she
had
spent
15
years
or
more
in
the
behavioral
health
system
here
in
Thousand
Oaks
at
first,
when
my
son
is
who's
now,
30
is
going
down
the
slippery
slope
when
they
were
about
15
to
17
years
old.
You
know
signs
of
their
mental
illness
started
to
to
show
they
had
been
going
then
to
behavioral
health
and
they
had
a
psychiatrist
and,
along
with
the
psychiatrist,
was
automatically
a
therapist
and
it
did
them
a
world
of
good
that
came
to
an
end.
H
Don't
know
why
it's
probably
Financial
not
real
sure,
but
since
then
we're
talking
15
some
odd
years
now
it
hasn't
gotten
back
together
in
that
regard,
and
that's
a
crime
in
itself
because
on
the
psychiatrist
is
Doling
out.
You
know
bottles
and
bottles
of
medication
and
sending
young
adults,
children
or
whatever
the
case
scenario
is
back
home
to
their
parents
or
relatives
who
are
not
trained.
Therapists,
it's
insane
it's
crazy!
It's
not
good
for
anybody.
H
You
know
where,
whereas
a
psychologist
accepts
Gold
Coast
to
get
a
psychologist,
but
that
is
not
going
to
work.
That
is
easier
said
than
done.
People
psychiat
psychologists,
don't
call
you
back.
I've
been
I'm
in
the
eye
of
the
storm
right
now
and
I've
been
on
the
bottom
floor
and
in
the
eye
of
the
storm
for
a
long
time.
So
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about
plus
the
fact
you
cannot
ask
a
mentally
ill
person
if
they
want
to
see
a
therapist.
It
doesn't.
H
D
D
H
C
Here
we
go
good
evening,
mayor
Engler,
council
members
and
viewing
audience.
You
all
know
me
I've,
been
here
before
my
name
is
Christy
Warner
I'm,
a
proud
Kiwani
and
a
teacher,
an
advisor
to
the
Westlake
High
School
Key
Club
and
the
K
Kids
a
service
leadership
program
at
Wethersfield,
Elementary
I'm.
Also,
a
Relay
for
Life
volunteer.
H
C
H
C
H
C
H
D
I
Will
be
served
a
special
dinner
at
6
pm
by
made
in
Italy
we'll
have
our
luminaria.
This
is
where
we
pay
tribute
to
those
lost
lost
to
cancer,
as
well
as
celebrate
those
that
have
survived
really
join
us.
As
we
celebrate
survivors
raise
funds
and
make
new
friends
city
of
Thousand
Oaks.
We
really
need
you.
I
I
I
I
The
good
news
is
the
federal
government
in
a
rare
demonstration
of
leadership
and
bipartisan
cooperation
has
updated
its
Suicide
Prevention
Lifeline
from
an
outdated
10-digit
phone
number
to
a
three-digit
988
suicide
and
crisis
Lifeline
that
can
now
receive
calls
texts
and
emails.
The
program
is
supported
by
200
crisis,
centers
Nationwide.
I
According
to
the
mental
health
services
Administration,
the
number
of
Nationwide
inquiries
has
increased
by
45
percent
or
152
000
people
calling
and
asking
for
help
from
August
2020
to
August
2021..
Even
more
impressive
is
the
response.
Time
to
each
call
has
now
gone
from
two
and
a
half
minutes
to
42
seconds.
I
Suicide
and
depression
are
deadly
Partners
as
a
major
disease
that
places
people
in
a
hole
in
their
mind,
a
very
dark,
deep
hole
in
their
mind.
That
makes
them
desperate
by
creating
a
feeling
of
helplessness
and
no
hope
unless
you
have
suffered
through
depression.
You
just
don't
know
how
dark
and
deeply
depression
can
be.
It's
a
deadly
disease
I
have
suffered
and
recovered
from
depression.
Myself,
so
I
know
the
making
of
basic
decisions
every
day
how
difficult
it
can
be
and
how
challenging
just
to
function.
I
Unfortunately,
the
updated
988
suicide
and
crisis
Lifeline
was
too
late
for
my
sister
Samantha
Who
in
April.
After
years
of
depression,
covid
challenges,
Health
Care
issues
and
marital
challenges
took
her
life,
as
it
was
in
her
mind
her
best
and
only
option
not
a
day
goes
by
that
I,
don't
think
of
her
and
what
I
could
have
done
to
stop
her.
The
reality
is
that
she
needed
more
than
a
Brother's
love
and
support
she
needed
professional
help
and
she
couldn't
get
it.
I
D
D
J
Needs
a
helping
hand
step.
Any
any
step
forward
would
be
helpful.
The
other
is
I
asked
city,
council
and
city
manager
to
take
a
leadership
role
and
advocate
for
the
promotion
of
the
988
three-digit,
sync
symbol
and
logo
on
City
newsletters
on
the
city
website
and
wherever
visible
you
can
be
to
the
residents
and
ask
the
communities
of
other
cities
in
Ventura
County
to
do
the
same.
Thank
you,
sir
988
lifeline.org.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
good.
Next
up
we
have
Bob
Bergman,
followed
by
George
Rosenthal
foreign.
J
Thank
you,
I
would
like
to
like
the
city
council
and
the
mobile
home
park
owners
to
consider
my
perspective
on
behalf
of
the
tenants
before
the
rent
control
decision
is
made.
I've
lived
in
the
Ventura
States
for
seven
years.
My
decision
to
buy
a
mobile
home
was
made
because
I
could
no
longer
afford
the
cost
of
living
in
a
small
two-bedroom
apartment
in
Newbury
Park,
where
every
year
the
rent
was
increased
by
at
least
a
hundred
dollars
a
month
had
I
stayed
in
the
apartment.
J
My
rent
would
have
increased
from
1934
to
2034
dollars
a
month
and
would
be
and
would
continue
to
be
raised,
at
least
by
that
amount
every
year.
Thereafter,
the
only
other
option
for
me
at
the
time
would
be
to
live
in
the
street
or
in
a
homeless
shelter.
That
is
what
is
facing
many
tenants
in
senior
mobile
home
parks,
I'm
80
years
old
and
I'm
still
working
three
days
a
week
when
I
was
50
years
old.
The
thought
that
I
would
would
need
to
still
need
to
work
when
I
turned
80
was
the
furthest
thing.
J
From
my
mind,
in
addition
to
the
monthly
rent,
I
have
a
mortgage
payment
to
pay
each
month,
as
I
did
not
have
enough
money
to
pay
for
the
mobile
home
in
full.
Many
of
other
mobile
home
owners
and
Senior
mobile
home
communities
are
in
the
same
situation,
to
break
down
my
personal
financial
situation.
If
the
8.5
percent
increase
is
approved,
I
will
be
paying
778
dollars.
J
Monthly
rent
starting
this
November,
my
Social
Security
payment
next
year,
will
be
about
1775
dollars,
monthly,
my
fixed
monthly
payments,
in
addition
to
the
monthly
rent,
our
utilities,
my
mortgage
payment,
my
Medicare
supplement
payment,
my
phone
bill
and
internet
and
cable
TV,
adding
these
fixed
payments
up,
including
the
new
monthly
rent
it
totals
nineteen
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
about
two
hundred
and
five
dollars
a
month
above
what
my
Social
Security
payment
will
be
this
stuff.
Excuse
me
this
doesn't
include
the
cost
of
gas
food
prescription,
drugs
and
other
miscellaneous
monthly
expenses.
D
A
My
opinion
is
that
the
decision
on
the
to
put
a
five
percent
cap
on
the
rent
increase
should
be
a
no-brainer
I
rest
my
case,
thank
you,
sir,
and
just
just
as
a
reminder.
Please
try
to
hold
your
claps
for
the
end,
perhaps
The
Next
Step.
Next
up
we
have
George
Rosenthal,
followed
by
Lynn
Young
good
evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
I'm
George
Rosenthal
from
Ventura
States,
the
Thousand
Oaks
Council
and
staff
produced
an
ordinance
525.01
on
the
chart
to
regulate
mobile
home
rents.
Part
of
the
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
ordinance
reads.
A
Therefore,
it
is
necessary
and
reasonable
to
continue
to
regulate
rents,
to
safeguard
mobile
home
owners
residents
and
tenants
from
excessive
rent
increases.
That's
your
ordinance
that
you
wrote:
We
need
the
Thousand
Oaks
city
council
to
understand
and
take
seriously
the
gravity
of
consequences
facing
seniors
in
the
Thousand
Oaks
Park.
Some
seniors
can
only
last
a
few
months
with
the
eight
and
a
half
percent
increase.
Seniors
cannot
handle
another
huge
increase
next
year
if
the
CPI
is
eight
or
ten
percent.
A
Next
year,
the
total
of
16
to
18
percent
equals
six
to
nine
years
of
increases
based
upon
10
years
of
CPI
at
three
percent
seniors
are
trying
to
pay
for
medicine
and
food
now
and
can't
do
it.
In
previous
Council
meetings,
the
staff
went
to
Great
Links
to
disassociate
themselves
from
the
city
ordinance.
They
argue
that
the
RSO
was
negotiated
agreement
between
the
park
owners
and
the
homeowners
in
2011
long
ago,
who
owns
the
ordinance.
The
city
adopted
the
ordinance
with
the
park
owners.
Put
it
in
place,
not
considering
the
future
of
ramifications
to
seniors.
A
They
then
continued
the
RSO
in
2021.
Without
any
changes,
the
city
ignored
the
homeowner's
request
in
June
of
21
to
cap
the
CPI.
Therefore,
the
city
must
take
accountability
and
own.
It
do
not
blame
seniors
or
make
excuses
for
Park
owners
that
won't
agree
with
a
cap.
The
ordinance
was
put
in
place
12
years
ago,
when
very
few
of
the
current
residents
were
even
in
the
park.
Only
a
handful
of
current
residents
know
anything
about
an
ordinance
are
what
it
means.
The
current
residents
do
not
know.
A
There
is
no
cap,
only
the
100
percent
CPI
of
a
20-year
average
of
two
to
three
percent.
We
were
all
told
when
we
bought
our
homes.
Don't
worry,
the
CPI
never
goes
beyond
three
percent
Thousand
Oaks
is
only
one
of
ten
cities
in
California.
To
not
have
a
cap.
Malibu
has
a
five
percent
cap.
Our
governing
body,
A
Thousand,
Oaks
Council,
must
act
and
make
changes
to
the
RSO,
especially
when
the
RSO.
D
K
K
I'm,
sorry,
Lynn,
young,
I'm,
sorry,
sorry,
Lynn,
hi,
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Lynn
young,
not
Lin.
Yam,
like
a
potato
like
I,
stayed
in
acorn
anyways
too
just
to
follow
up
this
gentleman's
silent
aspiration,
a
suicidal
Ranch,
Suicidal
Thoughts
of
people,
all
these
seniors,
young
people,
okay,
I,
think
by
putting
the
cap
whether
it's
five
percent
or
500
percent
putting
a
cap
on
the
ornaments
is
not
good
to
going
to
make
these
land
owners
suicidal
because
it
hurts
their
just
reasonable
render
rate
of
return.
K
K
It
says
the
city
will
provide
municipal
government
leadership,
so
you
all
are
our
leaders,
which
is
open
and
responsive
to
Residents
and
is
characterized
by
ethical
Behavior
stability,
promoting
public
trust,
transparency,
confidence
in
the
future
Now
by
putting
cap
I
think
you
can
achieve
this
goal
by
by
not
putting
any
cap
on
this
regulation.
How
do
you
regulate
or
enforce
any
rules
or
laws
without
any
threshold?
It
could
be
five
percent.
It
could
be.
Fifty
percent
put
a
cap
there,
just
like
okay.
K
That's
the
that's
a
that's
the
condition
for
the
land
owners
not
to
to
ask
for
the
reasonable
rate
of
return.
So,
therefore,
this
is
not
a
mediation
that
was
not
a
valid
negotiation
assault.
So
please
do
not
use
the
term
that
that
10
years
ago,
when
the
city
removed
that
75
percent
CPI
and
the
seven
percent
cap
is
a
result
of
the
confidential
mediation
agreement,
that's
not
true
that
may
be
agreement
between
the
landowners
and
residents.
There
may
be
agreement,
but
the
ordinance
is
the
law.
K
It
can
be
only
challenged
or
Changed
by
u5,
not
you
but
cd5
Council.
The
court
said
this
is
from
the
court.
Only
the
city
could
do
that.
Acting
through
this
through
its
Council
mayor
Fox.
As
a
voting
member
of
the
city
council
had
more
control
over
the
resolution
of
the
dispute
than
did
any
of
the
owners.
L
L
K
And
the
city
and
the
city,
because
in
this
also
your
website,
you
said
in
2011
the
city
reached
an
agreement
with
the
park
owners,
not
the
park
owners
and
residents
reached
it.
So
please
just
consider
put
a
tab
on
that
because
you
did
it
removed
it
20
years
ago.
That's
why
today's
chaos
is
like
this.
Thank
you
that
needs
to
be
changed.
K
K
The
landlords
reached
a
comfort
through
the
confidential
mediation
region
agreement.
The
court
said:
that's
not
a
mediation.
This
that
might
be
agreement
might
be
a
contract
between
the
land
owners
and
the
tenants.
Now
the
landowners
I'm
not
blaming
them,
they
fulfilled
their
10
years,
their
side
of
bargain.
Now
it's
their
time
to
do
whatever
they
needed
to
do.
I'm.
Talking
about
the
city,
the
council
members,
you
guys
have
the
authority.
L
L
D
K
D
Valid
mediation,
media
theater
should
be
neutral
party
Mutual
person,
but
the
court
said
Mr
Fox
was
not
a
mutual
person,
he's
a
very
interested
person
and
he
himself
has
his
vote
in
order
to
change
the
it's
a
little
bit
complicated
here.
It's
agreement
versus
the
code,
the
culture
we
have
very
good.
H
City
attorneys
and
I
would
imagine
that
I
agree
with
you.
I
agree
with
you,
I
don't
hold
on
hold
I
just
wondered
if
I
could
ask
our
City
attorney
if
she'd
like
to
comment,
let's,
let's
work,
hold
that
question
in
and
when
we
get
into
our
discussions
later
on,
we
can
bring
that
back
up.
Thank
you,
okay!
H
H
Some
five
land
owners
have
a
virtual
monopoly
over
the
destiny
of
1
000
mobile
home
owners
in
Thousand
Oaks.
So
the
city,
in
its
wisdom,
created
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance
RSO
to
ensure
a
balance
of
Rights.
First
off
protection
from
excessive
rent
increases
for
mhos.
The
RSO
assigns
responsibility
for
selection
of
the
CPI
to
the
city's
Finance
director,
Thousand,
Oaks
and
Ventura
County
do
not
have
their
own
separate
cpis
from
the
U.S
Department
of
Labor
and
statistics.
Over
a
year
ago,
councilman
McNamee
pointed
out
use
of
the
LA
region.
Cpi
is
unfair.
D
Did
she
just
rubber
stamp
the
lacpi
without
due
consideration?
What's
a
fair
index
in
2011
the
city
tossed
out
our
75
CPI
and
seven
percent
cap
in
the
10-year
rent
control
deal
that
favored
landlords
that
deal
lapsed
over
a
year
ago?
Update
of
the
CPI
cap
regulation
is
long
overdue.
At
least
one
half
of.
H
H
H
Thank
you,
ma'am
I
appreciate
it.
The
city
violated
the
rso's
purpose
of
balancing
the
rights
of
mhos
and
loss
in
2010,
terrified
of
being
sued
by
Lo's,
ignoring
expert
analysis
advising
the
contrary.
The
council
ended
up
in
a
sham
negotiation.
It
granted
the
Thunderbird,
Oaks,
Lo
and
excessively
generous,
but
unjust
and
unreasonable.
H
D
A
A
A
A
City
Council
City
staff
to
Legal
staff
and
guests.
My
name
is
George
senko
as
a
resident
of
Thunderbird
Oaks
I
shall
briefly
address
the
rso's
history.
I
sent
you
a
longer
letter
that
explorested
in
in
length
in
60s
and
70s,
the
city
created
an
oligarchic
situation
when
its
own
certain
Parcels
as
trailer
park
development
tpd.
A
Yes,
it
enabled
five
Lo
entries
to
now
control
the
living
Destinies
of
over
one
thousand
mhos.
It
then
saw
how
ellos
were
taking
advantage
of
mhos
with
exorbitant
red
increases
and
enacted
the
aerosol,
despite
best
intentions,
and
maybe
because
of
years
of
council
and
administrative
tinkering.
The
RSO
has
become
a
tangled
gordian
knot
due
to
half
measures,
faulty
math
litigation,
absences
of
experts,
excessive
rents
and
returns,
fake
mediation
enforcement
failures,
side
deals,
planning,
failures,
landowner
agreed,
High
inflation,
political
posturing,
whitewashing
and
fear-mongering
simply
put
it's
a
mess.
A
The
also
is
supposed
to
protect
the
senior
and
lower
income
residents
while
giving
the
Los
a
just
and
reasonable
return.
However,
the
attitude,
because
that's
the
way
we've
always
done
it-
will
no
longer
work
here.
We
all
have
to
be
better
than
that,
especially
the
top
10
city
managers,
who
collectively
make
over
2
million
a
year
in
salary
benefits.
A
They
are
paid
big
bucks
to
develop
big
Solutions,
not
to
cower
in
the
face
of
a
potential
lawsuit
or
difficult
problems.
Such
Solutions
might
include
one
an
immediate
five
percent
rent
cap,
an
easy
temporary
solution.
Two,
a
more
appropriate
index
requires
analysis.
Three
subsidies
to
the
nhos
two
offset
rent
increases
requires
more
analysis.
Four
five
and
six.
D
A
To
make
excessive
returns,
while
not
protecting
the
mhls
from
excessive
rent
increases,
the
RSO
is
not
a
static
document.
It
requires
some
measurement
and
adjustment
as
conditions
in
the
city
change.
It
is
part
of
Tio's
overall
housing
strategy.
As
such,
it
needs
to
be
given
continual
proper
attention.
Let's
get
to
work.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
A
Called
youth
ride
free,
and
this
is
a
county-wide
program
that
will
allow
K-12
youth
throughout
the
county
to
ride
on
any
of
our
transit
systems
from
Gold
Coast
to
Thousand
Oaks
Transit
to
vctc
Inner
City,
and
it
is,
it
is
a
really
bright
spot
in,
what's
otherwise
been
a
challenging
two
years
in
in
the
public
transit
world.
As
many
of
you
know,
public
transit
itself
is
in
a
bit
of
an
existential
crisis
since
the
pandemic
started
with
ridership
drops,
but
we
are
seeing
ridership
come
back.
A
I've
had
the
privilege
of
being
executive
director
for
the
commission
for
the
last
eight
months
before
that
I
was
the
public
transit
director
for
six
years
and
when
I
started
year
after
I
started,
we
embarked
on
a
program
called
the
college
ride
which
allowed
all
college
students
in
Ventura
County,
Cal
Lutheran
csuci
the
community
colleges
to
ride
public
transit
for
free,
and
it
was
probably
our
most
successful
program
across
the
county.
This
youth
ride
free
program
is
funded
through
the
same
state
source
of
fundings.
J
Again
already
we're
already
starting
to
see
some
real
signs
of
success.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
council
member
Bill,
De
La
Pena,
who
serves
on
our
commit
on
my
commission
and
represents
Thousand
Oaks
and
has
been
on
there
for
several
years.
Her
leadership,
as
well
as
our
other
Commissioners,
allowed
this
program
to
come
about
and
again
I'm
excited
to
share
this
news.
I
was
going
to
leave
some
flyers
here
behind,
but
thank
you
all
for
your
service
and
for
supporting
this
program.
Thank
you.
J
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
this
evening.
My
name
is
Bruce.
Udelph
I
live
in
ventu,
Park
Estates.
There
are
two
parks
side
by
side
with
one
common
owner,
so
we
consider
ourselves
one
in
many
respects.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
members.
I
spoke
last
month,
and
many
of
you
were
quite
empathetic
and
I
know.
You
made
some
efforts
to
approach.
J
Park
owners,
I
spent
my
entire
career
before
retirement
or
virtually
my
entire
career
for
40
years,
working
with
seniors,
non-profit
agencies,
we
provided
housing
and
other
services
to
seniors.
There
was
a
safety
net.
If
you
ran
out
of
money,
we
took
care
of
you,
so
it
was
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we're
dealing
with
here
tonight.
I
was
bothered
a
little
bit
by
some
of
the
things
that
were
stated
last
month
on
some
of
the
conclusions:
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
CPI
and
the
history
of
all
the
efforts
made
before
this.
J
J
21
of
them
own
their
homes,
outright
free
and
clear.
Four
of
them
are
making
payments,
so
we
have
Equity.
Most
of
us
have
significant
Equity,
ranging
from
perhaps
75
000
up
to
as
high
as
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
real
estate
friend
of
mine,
who
specializes
in
seniors
and
mobile
home
parks.
Along
with
me,
we
reached
out
to
lenders.
So
here's
the
deal,
many
of
us
who
own
properties,
homes
that
we
have
bought
since
1980,
can
get
reverse
mortgage
loans,
giving
us
guaranteed
income
either
every
month
or
every
year
for
quite
a
number
of
years.
J
The
other
people
who
own
older
homes
can
get
more
conventional
mortgage.
You
know
home
equity
loans
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
the
idea
that
people
are
gonna,
Pell
Mel,
be
be
thrown
out
in
the
hundreds
as
Mr
Jones
stated
last
month,
or
maybe
a
hundred,
that's
unlikely
to
happen.
We
have
equity
and
we
can
get
money.
We
do
pay
rent
on
our
property.
That's
used
for
property
taxes,
upkeep
of
the
the
property
you
utilities,
salaries
and
wages,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
So
I,
obviously
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
rate
increase
I
was
shocked
when
I
was
8.5.
I
didn't
expect
that,
personally,
that's
going
to
cost
me
about
700
a
year,
my
Social
Security
will
go
up
about
3,
000.,
so
I'm
in
a
very
different
position
than
a
lot
of
people,
some
others
yeah.
You
know
they
have
issues.
But
again,
once
you
have
Equity
you
know,
maybe
you
can
go
out
and
get
something.
We
have
a
safety
net
in
this
city.
It's
real
good
with
habitat
with
food
banks
was
safe.
D
M
Upset,
even
though
we
had
a
safety
net
where
I
worked
every
year,
people
went
in
for
blood
pressure
checks.
They
were
put
on
medication
because
they
were
so
upset
I'm
concerned
at
What's,
Happening
Here
people
are
upset
I'm,
seeing
the
stages
that
Jim
Washington
talked
about
last
month,
upset
anger.
You
know
they
need
medications
and
believe
it
at
that,
and
thank
you
and
by
the
way
they
can
die
from
all
of
this.
That's
how
upset
people
can
get.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
M
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
thank
you
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz
from
Thousand
Oaks.
It's
been
a
long
two
and
a
half
years
since
March,
2020.
and
now
most
of
the
country
has
decided
to
go
back
to
normal.
Covid
Declarations
of
emergency
have
ended
in
most
States,
including
New
York
Florida,
North,
Carolina
Iowa
and
dozens
of
others.
M
President
Biden
announced
that
the
pandemic
is
over.
Most
countries
have
ended
their
emergency
declarations.
Several
California
counties
have
ended
their
covet
emergency
declarations,
California
City
councils
are
doing
the
same
recently.
Fresno
City
Council
and
Fountain
Valley
City
Council
in
California
both
ended
their
Declarations
of
covet
emergency.
M
M
M
To
say
that
we're
continually
in
an
emergency
does
not
seem
right.
A
case
could
be
made
that
this
city
council
has
not
been
doing
its
Duty
because
it
appears
to
have
a
dual
Duty
under
the
authority
of
law,
as
required
by
California
health
and
safety
code
10
1080..
The
council
is
required
to
formally
review
its
declared
state
of
emergency
every
14
days
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
local
Health
Emergency
needs
to
be
continued.
I
Furthermore,
code
10
1080
says
you
have
legal
duty
to
terminate
the
local
health
emergency
at
the
earliest
possible
date.
The
conditions
warrant
it's
time
to
put
this
on
the
agenda
and
put
this
up
for
public
comments
and
a
vote
it's
time
to
return
to
normal,
it's
time
to
rescind
the
coveted
Declaration
of
emergency
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Sir.
Next
up
is
Michael
Debussy.
I
I
Council
members,
this
will
probably
go
on
record
as
the
shortest
comment
from
a
person
in
the
community.
I
live
at
Thunderbird,
Oaks
and
I
wanted
to
make
some
brief
comments,
because
I
have
a
unique
perspective.
I've
only
lived
there
for
three
months,
so
I
kind
of
see
things
differently
from
other
people.
I
N
A
logical
way
to
approach
the
rent
issue
and
then,
as
far
as
the
CPI
is
concerned,
you
know
I
heard
people
mentioning
the
CPI.
You
know
I'll
hear
on
the
news.
They'll
say
you
know,
8.25
or
whatever
I
mean
to
me.
It's
way
higher
than
that
it's
much
much
higher
than
that
so
anyway,
that
those
are
my
brief
comments.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
N
N
In
regards
to
the
covet
order,
our
emergency
declaration
is
tied
to
the
state's
emergency
declaration
personality
state
law,
and
so
once
this
state
rescinds
our
emergency,
ours
will
automatically
be
rescinded
as
well.
One
important
note
on
that
and
I
know
the
council
is
aware
of
this
and
I
certainly
know
a
lot
of
our
business.
Community
is
aware
of
this
one
of
really
the
only
piece
that
is
still.
D
C
L
L
This
whole
area
was
owned
by
the
city.
Is
that
correct,
including
where
the
lake
small
is
correct
and
you
have
Mr
Heater,
Mr,
Parker,
others
up
there,
so
I'll?
Let
them
speak
to
that
item
in
detail
as
they've
been
working
on
it.
That
is
correct.
Sir.
The
the
land
is
owned
by
the
city.
It
is
in
a
long-term
lease
with.
O
The
Caruso,
so
all
the
time
the
Lakes
shopping
center
has
been
there
they've
been
on
land
that
was
owned
by
the
city.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct
and,
and
now
the
intention
is
that
we,
because
of
the
measure
that
was
passed
earlier,
I'm
looking
at
this
map-
and
it
looks
like
a
strange
configuration
showing
this
dark
area
and
I'm
wondering
why
is
it
it's
correct
that
this
dark
area
is
being
purchased
by
the
developer?
O
So
as
part
of
the
decision
made
by
this
Council
the
lease?
The
plan
is
for
Caruso
to
purchase
the
back
portion
of
the
property
through
the
lease
terms
that
are
permitted
under
the
lease
terms
and
as
part
of
that
process,
there
needs
to
be
a
new
track
map
or
a
partial
map.
That's
going
to
be
recorded
on
the
property
once
it
is
purchased
to
establish
the
boundaries
and
the
parcel
for
their
ownership.
That
is
part
of
the
lease
terms
that
were
negotiated
years
ago.
O
O
L
L
For
that
ownership
of
that
easement
in
the
future
absolutely
correct
yeah,
it's
never
been
used,
it's
not
part
of
the
city
hall.
It's
just
been
an
easement
there's
nothing
there
than
this
he's
been
process.
I
mean
there's
well,
it
was
for
utilities
originally
correct
decades
ago.
That
is
correct,
but
now
those
utilities.
O
O
B
L
D
O
D
O
The
mobile
home
rent
stabilization
ordinance
a
continuation
from
our
last
meeting
Pat
and
clerk.
Do
you
have
any
words
to
speak
at
this?
No
very
good?
Well,
let's
we
have
Patrick
here
assistant,
City,
attorney,
Kelvin,
Parker,
for
presentation
and
and
questions.
Thank
you
Mr,
mayor
council.
This
is
a
continued
presentation
from
September
13th
and,
as
you
will.
D
B
A
A
C
C
C
F
F
D
N
You
need
you
say
you
need
food,
you
go
there
and
you
get
food.
If
you
can't
get
there,
they
will
have
it
delivered
to
you.
So
there
are
Services
out
there
that
can
that
can
help.
There
are
now
I'll.
Let
the
city
manager
speak
to
it
a
little
bit
more,
but
they're
county-wide.
There
is
two
one
one,
two
one
one
has
multiple
multitude
of
services
that
are
available
for
people
who
are
in
need,
so
there
are
services
available.
F
B
These
resources,
which
are
available
on
our
City
website
and
otherwise,
but
recognizing
that
everybody's
circumstances
are
unique
and
that
I
know
one-size-fits-all
approach.
Is
there
we
have
utility
assistance
program
that
we
run
through
the
city
here
all
these
have
different.
You
know:
income
restrictions
and
other
components
to
them.
The
county
has
a
lot
of
services
and
otherwise
and
obviously
Mana
it's
over
other
services,
but
we'll
certainly
provide
those
so
that
folks,
don't
have
to
remember
those
tonight
we'll
have
those
sent
to
the
to
the
parks
for
distribution.
B
It
was
building
opinion.
Thank
you,
I
think.
The
distinction
here
tonight
is
that
the
question
was
asked
of
the
property
owners,
whether
they
are
willing
to
lower
the
rent,
and
they
said
no
and
then
with
the
new
information
tonight
there
was
one
Park
owner.
That
said
he
would
be
willing
or
they
would
be
willing
to
look
at
the
overall
RSO
if
something
could
be
worked
out.
So
there
is
a
difference.
B
One
was
asking
to
lower
the
rent,
but
tonight
Mr
Jones's
motion
seems
to
me
it
is
to
actually
look
at
the
ordinance
and
see
if
the
CPI
could
be
capped
and
and
how
to
do
that
so
that
a
property
owners
feel
like
they
are
not
losing
anything.
So
it's
their
whole.
There
are
two
different,
very
different
questions
and,
yes,
we
do
have
rent
relief
available.
We've
got
all
kinds
of
Social,
Services
I
know
Ventura
County,
Human,
Services
Agency
even
has
on
their
website
that
you
can
go
to
a
rental
relief.
B
If
you're
about
to
become
homeless,
it's
rather
dire,
not
sure
how
many
of
you
are
facing
homelessness.
I'm
sure.
Not
all
of
you
do.
Every
a
mobile
homeowner
is
in
a
very
different
situation:
I
personally,
don't
really
want
to
find
out
how
many
and
who
is
about
to
become
homeless
and
so
I.
Don't
think
anyone
made
the
statement
that
hundreds
will
become
homeless.
I,
don't
know
that,
but
the
situation
is
dire
enough,
that
for
people
to
be
here
tonight,
for
them
it
is
dire,
and
what
can
we
lose
by
not
doing
anything
tonight?
B
L
Long
as
I'm
still
sitting
here
for
the
next
few
weeks,
a
couple
just
a
few
more
weeks,
I'd
like
to
do
whatever
I
can
and
if,
in
the
end
we
can't
do
anything.
At
least
we
tried
and
so
I
would
very
much
like
to
support
Mr,
Jones's,
emotion,
very
good,
Mr
Jones
had
a
comment
on
Mr
Adam.
Well
I.
If
we're
ready
to
vote
I'd
like
to
just
say,
have
one
more
comment
before
we
vote.
L
L
My
motion
is
simply:
we
continue
this
matter
for
a
public
Hearing
in
our
next
meeting,
in
which
I
have
been
told
is
October
11th,
and
my
idea
is
that
we
would
consider
at
that
meeting
of
appointing
a
committee,
since
two
is
the
most
they
can
meet
together
of
two
members.
I've
suggested
the
mayor
and
myself
to
meet
with
these
Park
owners
and
have
one
last
chance
to
see
if
they
would
have
a
more
reasonable
rent
increase
and
I
just
appeal.
L
Q
Q
All
of
them
we're
gonna
be
out,
but
they
implicated
some
would
and
so
I
think
it's
worth
one
more
try
and
that's
my
emotion
that
we
continue
it
to
the
11th
with
the
idea
of
forming
a
two-member
committee
to
meet
once
last
time
to
try
to
get
a
better
arrangement
with
the
park
owners,
Mr
Adam,
just
for
informational
purposes.
One
of
the
speakers
did
say
in
fact
that
I
wrote
it
down.
Hundreds
of
residents
would
be
forced
to
the
streets
and
I
just
consider
that
to
be
dangerous
rhetoric.
Frankly,
I.
Q
Q
Maybe
they
maybe
they
were
telling
me
the
truth,
but
I
I
think
by
talking
to
them
they
were
and
I
think
when
you
just
mentioned
the
park
owner.
That
said
that
they'd
be
willing
to
speak,
you
let
part
of
it
out.
They
said
we
yeah
we'd
be
willing
to
talk
about
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
lose
any
money
doing
it.
Q
B
Go
ahead,
miss
the
building,
yeah
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
hours.
No,
what
I
mentioned
is
that
the
sitting
down
to
rework
the
ordinance
but
to
make
sure
I
did
say
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
owner's
needs
are
met
in
that
they're,
not
losing
money.
That's
what
I
did
say
in
my
comments
and
so
I
don't
know
about
any
rent
relief
other
than
through
the
Ventura
County
Human
Services
Agency.
Whether
there
is
anything
in
writing
that
says
they
will
give
you
a
break
over
how
many
years
to
pay
less.
Q
Q
Q
D
D
D
Increase
over
future
years,
so
there
are
suffices
to
say
there
are
rental
assistance
programs
that
the
owners
privately
offer
am
I
right,
I'm,
not
right.
Well,
then
I,
all
right,
I,
shouldn't
I
shouldn't.
Ask
you
a
rhetorical
question
in
the
audience.
That
was
a
mistake.
That
was
a
mistake
anyway.
Let
me
make
a
couple
comments.
If
you
have
something
Miss,
Miller
Pena
going
no,
but
there
is
a
vote.
I
mean
not
a
vote.
D
I'm
I'm.
Sorry,
sir
sorry,
sir
I
can't
I
can't
take
comments
from
the
audience
right
now,
but
what
we
asked
them
to
do
was
go
and
talk
to
this
to
the
owners
and
try
to
reduce
the
amount
of
the
rent,
see
what
the
willingness
would
be
to
reduce
the
amount
of
the
increase
they
came
back
and
and
pretty
much
said.
No
most
of
them
said
no
one
said
maybe
and
the
other
one
said:
I've
already
reduced
it.
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Is
it's
emotional
vote?
No
then
I
vote,
no
council,
member
Adam,
no
councilmember
McNamee,
yes,
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
Jones,
yes
or
I,
I,
always
say
I
and
mayor
Engler.
Now,
let's
continue
the
discussion.
Okay
in
that
motion
fails
two
to
three
if
if
I
may
make
it,
maybe
this
will
be
a
final
comment,
but
if
we
want
to
keep
talking
about
Mr,
Adam
yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
How
do
I
put
this
I?
Don't
want
any
of
you
to
think
we're
being
hard-hearted
here?
Okay,
please
please.
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Q
With
me
in
this,
we
did
everything
we
could
to
help
the
ranch
residents
and
we
put
aside
the
litigation,
because
we
both
have
an
affinity
for
seniors
and
their
struggles.
Is
that
accurate
it?
What
happened
is
that
yeah?
It
is
to
some
extent,
I
started
a
GoFundMe
page
collect
money
because
they
were
in
Dire
Straits,
so
my
GoFundMe
page
led
to
the
formation
creation
of
seniors
for
seniors
for
empowerment,
senior
Alliance
for
empowerment,
safe,
that's,
right,
safe,
which
is
so
that's
a
great
organization,
and
we've
responded.
Q
Anybody
hear
me
out
there:
okay,
I
understand
what
it's
like
Claudia
has
an
elderly,
mother
and
she's
having
to
help
and
support
correct
I,
absolutely
love
having
my
82
year
old
mother
living
with
me
and
taking
care
of
her
right
point,
point
being
that
she
as
well
understood
she
doesn't.
She
doesn't
have
a
situation
like
to
get
the
residents
here
because
she
lives
with
family.
So
it's
different
a
little
bit
different.
If
we
can
not
have
a
sidebar,
then
just
keep
keep
our
comments.
Cody.
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Have
the
our
talk
committee
put
on
the
next
agenda
to
start
a
discussion
on
the
RSO
and
the
CPI
for
clarification?
Are
you
saying
that
create
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
work
with
staff
to
make
changes?
Oh
no
with
it
with
the
property
owners?
Obviously
we
did
reach
out
to
the
property
owners
about
whether
they'd
be
willing
to
discuss
changes
to
the
rent,
stabilization
ordinance,
okay
and
they
said
no,
there
was
just
the
one
I
believe
Mr
Heater
has
some
information.
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Other
several
other
things,
including
including
whether
or
not
there
would
be
a
cap
and
including
whether
or
not
there
would
be
a
minimum
to
any
rent
increase
over
each
year,
so
those
were
expressed
just
for
mediation
and
the
answers
were
for
not
interested
at
this
time.
One
ownership
was
interested
to
owner
stated,
possibly
if
you
opened
up
the
entire
ordinance.
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P
O
Agreed
all
of
the
resident
organizations,
except
for
one,
did
not
agree
and
we
were
engaged
in
litigation
with
the
threat
of
completely
setting
aside
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance.
So
if
you
don't
have
100
participation,
then
the
risks
significantly
increase
that
there
could
be
challenges
to
the
ordinance,
including
elimination.
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Good
okay,
everybody
looks
like
our
our
I.T
is,
has
worked
some
Miracles,
so
we
can
go
on
to
our
next
item
now.
Our
next
item
is
our
ad
hoc
homeless
committee
update
we're
going
to
turn
things
over
to
our
assistant
city
manager,
Ingrid
Hardy,
for
the
presentation.
We
also
have
Jamie
vascareno
vascarino
Hater
Hater
adari
for
questions,
and
we
also
have
our
our
vulnerable
population
officers
here.
If
there's
any
questions
for
those
gentlemen.
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Before
we
get
into
the
substance
of
tonight's
item,
I
always
like
to
start
with
a
reminder
of
the
elements
of
an
effective
homelessness
crisis
response
system.
Ultimately,
the
goal
of
this
system
is
to
make
homelessness,
rare
brief
and
non-recurring.
The
system
helps
identify
and
quickly
connect
people
who
are
experiencing,
or
at
risk
of
experiencing
homelessness
to
housing,
assistance
and
other
services,
foreign
through
the
Ventura
County's
Continuum
of
Care
strategic
efforts
and
collaboration
with
local
jurisdictions.
Our
regional
homelessness
crisis
response
system
continues
to
make
demonstrable
progress.
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In
addition,
project
room
key,
while
it
provides
much
needed
non-congregate
shelter,
the
criteria
for
this
program
is
based
on
vulnerability
and
the
age
of
the
clients,
which
must
be
65
or
older.
We
also
have
local
Services
providers,
such
as
Harbor
House
and
Lutheran
Social
Services,
who
provide
motel
vouchers,
but
resources
are
very
limited.
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Over
the
past
four
years,
the
city
council
has
focused
its
annual
priorities
on
addressing
homelessness
and
affordable
housing.
Last
year,
council's
priority
included
two
key
actions
to
identify
and
Advance
solutions
for
emergency
Sheltering
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
to
address
homelessness.
The
two
key
actions
by
the
city
council
is
one
we
entered
into
an
agreement
with
Shangri-La,
Industries
and
Step
Up
on
Second
to
pursue
the
Quality,
Inn
and
Suites
as
future
permanent
Supportive
Housing
and
then.
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While
many
mansions
and
its
Partners
made
a
solid
and
diligent
effort
this
past
year
to
identify
property
due
to
the
cost
and
limited
available
real
estate
options,
impacts
of
high
inflation
and
unique
location
preferences,
they
were
unable
to
identify,
acquire
and
convert
a
site
as
such
recognizing
the
urgency
and
the
need
for
interim
housing.
The
ad
hoc
committee
asked
staff
to
focus
their
efforts
on
a
new
project
by
finding
a
location
for
interim
housing.
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As
a
reminder,
I
do
want
to
clarify
for
the
city,
council
and
members
of
the
public
the
difference
between
interim
housing
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
on
the
interim
housing.
It's
just
that
it's
temporary
oftentimes,
the
term
shelter
is
used
which
is
okay.
However,
as
services
and
service
models
have
evolved,
it's
more
appropriate
to
refer
to
tonight's
item
as
the
most
commonly
used
industry
term
of
a
navigation,
Center
and
I
want
to
ensure
that
the
council
and
members
of
the
public
are
not
confusing
a
navigation
center
with
a
drop-in
center.
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So
when
you
have
a
drop-in
center,
people
can
line
up
and
congregate
outside
for
services
for
Mills,
and
that
is
not
what
is
being
proposed
this
evening.
The
navigation
Center
will
be
referral
based.
Only
persons
residing
here
will
have
a
case
manager
who
will
help
them
navigate
their
housing
options,
education,
employment
options,
Health
Care
needs
and
other
services.
The
goal
of
interim
housing
is
to
have
a
pathway
to
permanent
or
to
create
a
pathway
to
permanent
housing
and
then
on
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
side.
That's
exactly
what's
occurring
at
the
Quality,
Inn
and
Suites.
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This
just
provides
this
side
provides
a
closer
look
of
what
that
process
is
like
that
pathway
to
permanent
housing.
So,
with
the
interim
housing,
clients
are
identified
through
Outreach,
they
are
assigned
a
unit
at
an
interim
housing
site
where
they
receive
laundry
where
they
can
do.
Their
laundry
have
Mills
a
roof
over
their
head,
and
then
they
also
have
case
management
and
navigation
services
and
then
are
moved
on
to
permanent
housing.
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So
the
interdisciplinary
team
of
City
staff
looked
at
options
for
citing
interim
housing.
Only
this
included
evaluating
nearly
two
dozen
locations
throughout
the
city.
Looking
at
the
potential
sites,
benefits
and
constraints,
the
financial
investment
required
timeline
to
complete
the
project
and
bring
the
project
online
and
other
short-term
and
long-term
benefits
and
trade-offs
to
the
city,
its
residents
and
businesses.
With
such
limited
options,
staff
narrowed
its
search
to
look
for
locations
that
could
accommodate
modular
units
only
as
finding
a
permanent
facility
proved
to
be
extremely
challenging.
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Foreign,
so
why
modular
housing
modular
units
require
less
of
a
financial
commitment?
The
cost
per
square
foot
versus
a
permanent
unit
is
twice
to
five
times
the
amount
for
a
remodel
or
tenant
approvement
tenant,
Improvement
modular
units
will
help
the
city
meet
the
immediate
and
urgent
need
for
housing.
They
unhoused
as
well
as
serves
as
a
tool
for
our
law
enforcement.
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The
units
are
transportable
City
staff
and
law
enforcement
have
visited
interim
housing
sites
with
modular
units
in
Reseda,
as
well
as
in
Downtown
Santa
Barbara.
We
presented
our
findings
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
the
ad
hoc
committee
has
recommended
moving
forward
with
this
project
as
the
next
best
option
for
interim
housing.
At
this
time,.
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So
these
are
just
a
few
slides
to
give
the
council
and
the
public
an
idea
of
what
these
communities
of
modular
units
look
like.
This
is
dignity
moves
in
Santa
Barbara.
They
just
recently
opened
and
started
accepting
residents
the
past
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
The
community
is
immediately
adjacent
to
Morgan
Stanley
advisors
and
is
located
in
the
heart
of
their
downtown
area.
There
are
33
private
rooms
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness,
there's
laundry
facilities,
showers
and
extensive
services
such
like,
such
as
an
on-site
Clinic,
provide
it
to
the
client
good.
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This
next
one
is
Hope
of
the
valley
and
Reseda
similar
to
the
dignity.
Moves
in
Santa,
Barbara
on-site
wraparound
services
are
provided.
This
particular
site
is
located
in
a
residential.
Neighborhood
is
also
near
a
library,
Park
and
police
station.
There
are
52
units
available
at
this
site,
and
it
also
includes
I
should
mention
a
dog
run
as
well
as
storage,
and
then
finally,
this
is
well.
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So
the
recommended
site
being
brought
forth
by
the
ad
hoc
committee
tonight
is
a
city-owned
property
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive,
public
transportation
is
about
a
half
a
mile
away,
there's
also
a
grocery
store
located
less
than
a
mile
away.
There
are
a
number
of
improvements
that
will
be
required
at
this
site,
such
as
utility
connections
and
improvements
for
Wastewater
water
and
electrical
grading,
Paving
Landscaping,
and
then
you
also
see
the
street
view
of
the
site.
So
this
is
a
property
that
is
currently
underutilized
and
considering
all
options
that
have
been
explored.
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There
are
a
number
of
potential
funding
sources
available
to
support
this
project.
On
the
capital
side,
we
do
have
budgeted
City
funds,
including
our
general
fund
and
Housing
Trust
Fund,
that
was
set
aside
by
the
city
council
during
the
last
budget
process.
There
are
also
potentially
County
funds
available,
as
well
as
state
project
home
key
dollars.
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On
the
operating
side,
we
have
general
fund
there's
also
the
permanent
local
housing
allocation
funding
available,
which
is
currently
being
managed
by
the
county
through
a
county-wide
pool.
And
then
we
are
also
asking
that
the.
If
the
item
goes
forward
tonight,
that
the
council
authorized
the
mayor
to
send
a
letter
to
the
county,
requesting
support
for
Capital
and
operating
dollars
and
there's
also
a
number
of
grants
that
are
available
through
the
county.
Continuum
of
Care,
as
well
as
state
project
home
key
dollars.
Potentially
for
operating
the
project
home
key.
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Just
on
the
client
selection
process,
because
one
of
the
most
common
questions
and
concerns
from
the
public
when
it
comes
to
citing
interim
housing
as
well
as
permanent,
Supportive
Housing,
is
whether
or
not
this
will
attract
individuals
from
outside
of
the
city.
We
currently
have
250
unsheltered
persons
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness
and
Thousand
Oaks,
and
according
to
our
law
enforcement,
as
well
as
local
service
providers,
most
of
these
individuals
do
have
roots
or
ties
to
Thousand
Oaks.
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In
addition,
if
city
council
moves
forward
with
this
effort
and
location,
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
RFP
will
be
for
the
operator
to
only
accept
referrals
from
Thousand
Oaks
based
non-profits
County
agencies
who
served
Thousand
Oaks
residents
as
well
as
our
law
enforcement,
and
we
will
we
or
we
do
propose
holding
beds
for
law
enforcement
purposes.
Only
the
operator
will
receive
referrals,
they'll
conduct
their
screening
and
intake,
and
then
the
client
is
also
is
required
to
sign
a
contract
or
or
participation
agreement.
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Recognizing
the
significance
of
this
project
and
the
importance
of
providing
education
and
engagement
opportunities,
a
number
of
Engagement
efforts
are
forthcoming.
The
city's
website
on
homelessness
serves
as
the
primary
resource
of
information.
It
includes
information
on
understanding,
homelessness,
understanding,
homelessness
and
the
law,
as
well
as
the
city's
role.
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There
will
also
be
targeted
engagement
with
surrounding
businesses
and,
in
fact,
this
engagement
and
Outreach
has
already
begun.
Our
business
Ombudsman
hater
alawami
has
contacted
Brokers
property
owners
and
business
owners
in
the
surrounding
area
and
will
continue
to
remain
in
communication
as
expected.
There
are
concerns
and
questions,
but
based
on
staff's
discussions
with
other
jurisdictions
inside
and
outside
of
Ventura
County
and
law,
enforcement's
conversations
with
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
We
are
confident
that
this
site,
or
this
use,
will
have
minimal
impact
having
a
qualified
and
experienced
operator
is
key.
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Finally,
as
part
of
the
entitlement
process,
the
project
is
subject
to
a
special
use
permit
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
This
process
will
provide
additional
opportunities
for
interested
community
members
to
engage
and,
in
addition,
the
sup
approval
will
require
that
certain
conditions
are
met.
The
selected,
developer
and
operator
will
also
be
required
to
host
Community
engagement
meetings.
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If
the
item
before
the
council
is
approved
this
evening,
this
is
a
summary
of
the
next
steps
staff
would
issue
the
RFP
there
will
be
in
community
engagement
efforts.
We
will
interview
the
proposers
and
then
return
to
the
Council
on
your
December
6th
meeting
with
the
recommended
developer
and
operator.
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So
these
are
the
recommendations
before
the
city
council
want
to
authorize
staff
to
issue
an
RFP
for
construction
and
operation
of
a
navigation,
Center
or
emergency
shelter
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive,
to
adopt
the
resolution
declaring
the
property
located
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive
as
exempt
Surplus
land
and
third,
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
a
letter
to
the
County
of
Ventura,
requesting
financial
assistance
similar
to
when
the
council
considers
giving
the
green
light
for
development
pre-applications.
This
is
what
is
being
asked
of
the
city
council
tonight.
Approving
tonight's
recommendation
is.
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B
This
includes
my
presentation
for
this
meeting
at
this
time.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
for
comments
or
anything
that
I
may
have
missed.
In
my
presentation
from
our
discussions
and
as
the
mayor
mentioned
in
his
comments,
we
do
have
staff
from
Finance
public
works
or
law
enforcement
and
the
county
that
are
available
to
answer
questions
the
council
may
have.
Thank
you.
B
D
Years
this
is
now
year
number
five.
Almost
it
takes
time.
It
takes
patience,
it
takes
perseverance
and
while
this
is
maybe
not
the
perfect
site,
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
perfect
site,
but
certainly
it
is
the
best
available
under
the
circumstances
and
the
clock
is
ticking
on
Project
home
key,
so
funding
for
that
as
well.
So
I
know
there
has
been
a
thorough,
thorough
search
for
Parcels
all
over
town
commercial
as
well
as
industrial,
so
I
just
wanted
to
think
you
for
the
the
presentation,
Mr
Mayor.
D
D
D
Q
There
was
one
person
who
was
in
a
parking
a
car
outside
that
was
the
only
crime
in
the
area.
This
is
what
we
are
working
on
in
Thousand
Oaks.
This
is
not
like
I
say
what
some
people
may
have
in
their
mind
with
that
I
think
I'll
open
up
to
any
other
questions.
For
my
colleagues,
Mr
Adam
I
was
looking
straight
at
you
when
I
said
that.
Thank
you,
mayor,
Claudia
and
and
Bob
thanks.
So
much
for
your
work
on
this
committee.
Q
Q
Q
Q
F
Homes,
yes,
absolutely
similar
to
other
cities.
We
are
proposing
that
we
hold
beds
for
law
enforcement,
good
good
I,
can't
think
of
it.
I
mean
these
fellows
are
right
on
the
ground.
I
know
I've
been
out
with
previous
vulnerable
vulnerable
population
officers,
and
it
nobody
knows
the
situation
better
than
they
do
and
I
think
that
they
could
really
make
a
very
intelligent
referral
base
for
us
and
as
far
as
the
Santa
Barbara.
P
P
P
P
We
have
no
choice
in
the
matter.
They
did
recognize
the
ability
to
regulate,
camping
versus
sleeping,
which
is
what
our
ordinance
actually
did
as
a
result
of
Boise,
but
they
also.
The
court
also
held
that
if
there
are
available
locations
for
a
person
who's
experiencing
homelessness
to
go,
then
that
could
be
utilized
as
to
prevent
them
from
sleeping
on
public
property.
P
F
P
F
Here
but
then
you
have
to
go
to
religious
services.
That
was
one
of
the
things
and
it's
called
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
Ingrid,
it's
what
type
of
low
barrier.
Thank
you.
It's
called
Low
barrier
housing
where
you
cannot
Place
restrictions
and
require
a
person
from
doing
something
in
order
to
enter
a
interim
housing
facility.
So
if
someone's
doing
crystal
meth
or
heroin
on
the
street
and
they're
put
into
one
of
these
shelters,
are
they
still
able
to
still
do
crystal
meth
and
heroin?
F
Or
would
the
shelter
be
able
to
say
no
you're
not
doing
that
to
be
here?
That's
actually
a
question
that
I
would
pose
to
our
County
Partners
and
our
and
our
operator
Partners
on
how
they
actually
operate
these
types
of
interim
facilities.
Okay-
and
this
will
go
to
the
officers,
then
in
light
of
the
Boise
decision
previously
to
the
Boise
decision.
The.
G
G
Now
that
the
Boise
case
came
down,
you
couldn't
take
them
to
County
Jail
unless
there's
alternative
housing
for
them.
Is
it
one
where
you
would
then
approach
someone
who's
sleeping
on
government
property?
If
we
have
beds
available
and
say
to
them,
you
got
two
choices,
so
you
go
to
the
shelter
or
you
go
to
County.
Jail
walk
me
through
the
steps
that
you,
as
law
enforcement,
would
do
for
these
folks
that
are
homeless.
Looking
for
a
place
to
stay.
So
it's
really
important
to
understand.
Boise
is
case
law
that
came
down
in
2018.
G
That
is
really
new
for
case
law,
although
it
seems
to
everybody,
that's
been
a
while
right,
but
that's
actually
very
new.
The
the
case
that
started
Boise
to
give
you
some
perspective
started
in
2009,
so
it
took
nine
years
just
to
get
that
case
disposed
case,
law
still
is
being
developed
and
by
what
I
mean
by
that
is
when
case
law
comes.
It
gives
us
some
guidance,
but
not
all
the
guidance.
So,
as
usually
police
departments
get
sued
over
their
cities
get
sued,
we
find
out
more
and
more
about
kind
of
what
the
limitations
are.
G
G
The
law
by
sleeping
here-
and
so
you
can't
sleep
here
and
so
if
they
choose
to
okay,
I
won't
I'll
leave
they
leave
just
like
we
do
for
trespassing
now
now,
if
they
came
back,
we
could
then
arrest
them
now,
Boise
those
saying
that
they
are
allowed
to
be
sleeping
on
government
property
unless
you
offer
them
alternative
housing
correct.
So
that
would
be
us
saying
right:
you
have
you
either
have
to
leave
or
you
can
go
to
a
shelter.
We
have
shelter
available.
F
G
P
Arrest
them
at
that
point
correct:
okay,
similar
back
to
the
two
options:
either
you
go
to
the
shelter
or
you
don't
leave
you're
going
to
be
arrested.
No,
no!
Well,
it's
it's
semantics,
but
you
just
got
to
understand.
We,
as
police
officers,
can't
decide
what
the
punishment
is
going
to
be
right,
so
we,
in
that
case
it
would
be.
P
F
F
They
they
can
go
to
a
shelter,
they
can
leave.
That
is
always
an
option.
They
can
pick
up
and
they
can
move
somewhere
and
again,
there
is
a.
There
is
a
legal
distinction
between
sleeping
and
camping.
Again,
the
biological
need
to
sleep
cannot
be
criminalized,
that's
what
the
Boise
case
holds.
So
they
actually
have
three
options:
they
can
get
up
and
move,
they
can
go
to
a
shelter
or
if
they
refuse,
they
can
be
arrested
for
trespass.
G
Okay,
that
kind
of
answers
the
question
I
kind
of
framed
it
differently,
but
I'll
go
with
it,
as
you
say,
yeah
some
of
it's
just
semantics,
but
yes,
the
other
is
that
there's
a
marijuana
store
just
around
the
corner
from
them.
How
do
we
regulate
that?
Because
it's
one
where
they
are
homeless,
again,
80
percent
of
them
and
from
my
experience
in
talking
to
other
law
enforcement,
have
either
mental
illness
and
or
drug
addiction
going
on
there
and
they
walk
over,
buy
more
marijuana
and
continue
the
behavior
that
actually
put
them
on
the
street
homeless.
G
R
Strategy
on
that
or
to
let
it
just
play
out,
what's
what
what's
our
approach
here
regarding
that
I
I
I
think
they
already
talked
about
the
operator
making
some
parameters
on
that,
but
as
far
as
as
far
as
marijuana,
if
they
have
a
doctor's
recommendation,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
violation
of
law
there
I
mean
you
know
it's
legal
for
adults
to
use.
Now
too
I
you
know.
I
marijuana
is
a
tricky
one.
Because
of
the
way
California
laws
are.
The
methamphetamine
heroin
is
different.
R
You
know
that's
criminal
Behavior
out
completely
unaffected
by
Boise
Martin.
We
can
arrest
for
heroin
and
methamphetamine
that
Nothing
Stops
us
for
resting
for
those
things.
Okay
and
I
can
sorry
to
interrupt
councilmember
McNamee,
but
I
can
jump
in
on
the
comment
related
to
drug
use
if
they
are
a
client
of
the
navigation
Center.
So
as
our.
F
City
attorney
mentioned
earlier
with
low
barrier
entry,
so
with
low
barrier
entry
sobriety
is
not
a
requirement
for
entry
into
the
program.
However,
once
someone
is
accepted
into
the
program,
they
do
sign
a
participation
agreement
and
part
of
that
agreement
will
include
no
alcohol
or
drug
use,
and
so,
if
they
are
engaging
in
alcohol
or
substance
use
and
abuse,
then
there
are
consequences
for
that,
and
then
there
are
also
services
that
are
offered
to
them
to.
F
G
F
Not
shift
our
entire
homeless
population
over
to
this
shelter
area
that
will
inundate
the
area
around
this
Homeless
Shelter
by
people
saying
okay,
that
was
a
good
night's
sleep
for
two
weeks
had
a
good
time,
but
now
I'm
going
to
live
on
the
streets
over
here
on
Lawrence
Drive.
What
are
our
options
here?.
G
Right
if
there's
beds
available
for
them
and
they're
sleeping
where
they're
not
supposed
to
we
just
start
again
with
the
option,
is
you
can't
be
here
or
you
need
to
go
to
the
shelter
and
if
you
don't
you're,
going
to
be
arrested
until
correct
yep,
just
we're
back
to
the
same
options?
Okay
and
the
last
one
is
again
the.
F
Going
out
and
doing
crimes
in
the
local
community,
what's
what's
the
law
enforcement
perspective
and
how
do
we
keep
this
under
control?
Well,
I'm
gonna!
Since
I
came
I'm
gonna,
let
them
answer
questions
you're
going
to
punt.
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing
here?
Well,
they
so
just
I'll,
come
on
up
I'll!
Tell
you
what
they
did.
They
went
and
talked
to
a
whole
bunch
of
the
shelters.
They
did
the
research
right.
This
is
new
for
the
sheriff's
office.
G
I
G
G
G
G
D
The
service
provider
and
the
RFP
that
the
city
presents
and
what
does
their
security
regulations
are,
but
the
ones
we
saw
were
very
impressive.
So
if
the
business
is
having
a
problem
with
the
homeless,
that
is
from
that
shelter,
they're
able
to
call
the
shelter
or
to
call
you
directly
and
you
would
come
out
and
handle
it,
they
can
always
call
us
and
the
shelter
would
be
involved
with
this
as
well.
R
R
I
enjoy
your
use
of
math.
Thank
you
just
a
couple
of
quick
comments.
I
think
it
and
I
think
I'll
direct
us
to
Miss
Hardy,
but
the
the
real
key
to
this
is
the
wraparound
services
and
the
provider
of
those
wraparound
services.
In
other
words,
we
just
don't
provide
some
places
for
these
people
to
go
and
then
walk
away.
It's.
D
Q
Staff
and
then,
as
previously
mentioned,
there
is
a
participation
agreement
that
the
clients
will
have
to
sign
in
order
to
be
a
participant
at
the
navigation,
Center
yeah
and
then
to
the
Sheriff's
point.
If
there's
any
criminal
activity,
it's
handled
like
any
other
criminal
activity
in
in
our
entire
neighborhood
right.
That
is
correct.
Mayor.
R
Q
B
R
S
S
S
Let
me
go
to
Rosanna
Guerra,
who
was
online
she's
no
longer
on
that
she's
offline.
Now,
Tim
is
online,
very
good
Tim.
If
you
can
please
go
ahead.
Yes,
Sun's
a
community
for
Academia
speak
so
I
the
mayor
of
the
community
to
to
support
the
homeless
people.
However,
from
my
opinion,
I
I
strongly
also
oppose
objectives
is
proposal,
and
there
are
a
few
reasons.
The
first
one
is
it's
not
an
economical
way
to
spend
the
taxpayers
money.
S
S
This
is
also
not
talking
about
the
upper
frontal
cost
that
two
million
to
three
and
a
half
meaning
right.
So
if
you
I
think
there
may
be
better
way
to
spend
the
money
to
you
know
to
transit
to
host
of
these
people
and
the
chain
Trends
are
to
find
a
job
and
second
one
is:
it
also
jeopardizes
the
Parker
level
for
the
business
and
also
the
safety
of
the
community,
including
just
a
radical
Street,
there's
a
campus
right
across
the
street.
S
So
as
a
the
officer
just
mentioned,
and
also
there
the
ladies
Hardy
just
mentioned,
this
is
a
new
barrier
to
enter
the
facility.
So,
according
to
the
statistics
from
the
bureau,
it's
about
30
to
40
people
of
those
homeless,
drugs
and
alcohol
addicted,
it's
actually
adding
together,
it's
about
50,
half
of
that.
So
without
a
loop
area
to
end
this
will
have
a
big
surrender
to
the
community
and
also
to
the
business
part
and,
for
example,
there's
several
bigger
business
just
right
across
this
neighborhood
that
this
site.
S
So
how
can
you
Pro
like
to
keep
the
safety
of
the
community
and,
like
the
general,
is
men,
but
the
general
is
the
yellow
arm
code
if
the
people
just
come
and
like
after
two
weeks
like
Australia
and
then
do
all
the
street
and
said
okay,
I'm
sick
of
the
children,
I
am
going
to
do
some
drugs
and
then
maybe
put
it
later.
I
said,
oh
I,
don't
know.
D
H
I
would,
and
also
another
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
one
another
point
is
for
because
there's
a
big
Community
without,
even
necessarily
without
this
parking
parking.
This
is
a
business
parking
Park,
so
the
Third
Way
fertilizer
is
a
bigger
Community
there.
So
your
time
is
up
please
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
You
bet
next
up
online,
we
do
have
Aaron
O'donnell.
H
H
How,
however,
it
it
is
a
problem
that
just
keeps
going
around
and
around
because
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
nobody
likes
to
move
it's
traumatic
over
and
over
and
over
again
move
away
from
here,
move
away
from
there
move
away,
go
in
here
in
the
shelter
and
live.
You
know
sleep
with
other
people
sleeping
next
to
you,
it's
dangerous!
It's
it's
gross!
So
I!
If
you'd
like
to
take
down
this
website,
it's
a
tiny
home,
Village,
all
inclusive,
that's
permanent
in
in
Austin
Texas,
and
it's
called
mobile,
Loaves
and
fish.
H
It
is
a
religious
sort
of
based
place.
However,
it's
not
you
know
mandatory
or
anything
like
that
that
you
do
that.
So
let
let
me
give
you
the
website,
because
I
know
my
time
is
limited.
If
you
don't
mind
it's
m,
as
in
Mary,
l
f,
as
in
Frank
dot,
org
forward,
slash
community
hyphen,
first
or
Dash.
First,
whichever
you
prefer-
and
it's
just
okay,
so
there's
these
tiny
homes
they
get
bigger.
H
If
the
family
is,
you
know
two
three
people,
you
have
a
key:
you
can
pay
300
a
month
or
a
little
more,
depending
on
how
big
the
home
is.
Everything's
all-inclusive,
there's
outside
kitchens.
There's
it's
permanent,
so
you
pay
300
a
month,
that's
for
a
smaller
500
square
foot
place
and
then
the
rent
goes
up
a
little
bit.
You
can
do
whatever
you
want
behind
closed
doors.
You
can
do
the
drugs,
it's
your
home,
okay,
so
it's
not
traumatic.
They
people
need
time.
H
If
you
can
imagine
to
acclimate,
that's
the
reason
they
do
drugs
to
begin
with.
It's
just
like
what
the
hell
is
going
on.
I
have
to
move
from
here.
I
have
to
move
from
there
and
it's
traumatic.
So
there
are
therapists
on
the
all-inclusive
in
the
all-inclusive
acreage,
51
acres
and
there's
approximately
500
tiny
homes,
just
for
instance,
and
there's
you
know
you
can
work
on
in
the
community
community.
D
C
Money
I
know
you're
like
oh,
what's
the
rate
you
know
Roi,
but
we
we
do
save
money
because
the
homeless
are
costly.
We
have
to
clean
up
after
them
they
go
to
emergency
hospitals
and
the
like.
It
adds
up
fast
and
it's
getting
worse.
So
you
know
that's
the
problem.
When
I
talk
to
homeless
my
son's
been
homeless,
they
will
not
go
to
shelters
the
it's
it's
too
regimentated,
it's
too
clinical.
So
what
they
want
is
a
home.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
recommendation.
Thank
you,
ma'am
sure,
no
problem.
Thank
you.
C
Next
up
is
Stephanie.
Sullivan
I,
don't
know
if
Stephanie's
still
online
Stephanie.
If
you're
online,
please
go
ahead.
Yes,
hi.
My
name
is
Stephanie
Sullivan
I'm
I've
lived
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
nearly
20
years,
but
tonight,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
Lutheran
Social
Services
I
serve
there
in
the
role
as
program
manager.
Lss
has
been
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
many
years,
with
a
focus
on
providing
services
to
those
experiencing
homelessness
and
those
who
are
low-income
individuals
and
families
in
our
community.
C
We
really
appreciated
partnering
with
the
city
on
many
of
our
programs
to
provide
much
needed
relief
to
those
who
are
looking
forward
to
those
who
are
in
our
community
and
need
the
assistance,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
that
will
soon
be
available
thanks
in
part
to
project
room.
Key
I
also
want
to
thank
Ms
Hardy
for
the
overview
of
this
transitional
housing
development.
C
So
it's
very
clear
that
the
city
is
interested
in
providing
the
support
it's
to
people
who
have,
in
some
cases
been
homeless
for
years.
I
think
it
was
mentioned
that
some
folks,
many
folks
have
reported
being
tied
to
this
community
for
years,
and
that
is
our
experience
as
well
at
Lutheran,
Social
Services,
so
the
use
use
of
the
housing
first
model
is
also
appreciated
to
support
these
people,
who
are
our
neighbors
and
part
of
our
community.
C
Well,
we
realized
that
land
is
scarce
and
the
city
is
looking
to
utilize
the
own
land.
To
move
this
project
forward,
we
do
ask
that
the
distance
between
other
services
and
the
logistical
challenges
this
could
create,
be
kept
in
mind.
Primary
services
such
as
Ventura
County,
Behavioral,
Health,
Conejo,
Valley,
Family,
Medical
Group,
where
many
people
are
able
to
utilize
health
and
mental
health
services
are
located
closer
to
Moore,
Park
Road.
C
So,
since
many
of
these
folks
do
not
have
a
vehicle,
they
would
need
to
find
a
way
between
the
services
along
Moore,
Park,
Road
and
Lawrence
Drive
Thousand
Oaks
Transit,
thankfully,
has
a
stop
near
the
location,
but
with
costs
for
the
bus
going
up
to
two
dollars,
potentially
after
the
New
Year,
it
can
add
up
very
quickly.
So
perhaps
it
would
be
something
to
consider
with
the
wraparound
services
that.
D
Be
provided
as
well,
I
did
want
to
just
speak
to
a
couple
things
about
the
crime
and
danger
that
has
been
a
concern
and
that
continuing
to
arrest
people
for
issues
that
arise
from
the
fact
that
they
do
not
have
a
stable
place
to
live
will
only
continue
the
cycle
of
homelessness.
A
criminal
record
often
prevents
someone
from
finding
a
job
which,
in
turn,
prevents
them
from
being
able
to
afford
housing.
P
P
P
P
P
A
C
D
H
H
H
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
council
I
know,
we
only
have
a
brief
time
to
express
my
opposition
to
the
rezoning
and
of
the
Industrial
location
that
is
slated
at
1205,
Lawrence
and
Newbury
Park
for
the
purpose
of
this
shelter,
and
it
is
a
shelter.
I
am
a
resident
and
a
homeowner
and
a
taxpayer
at
Rancho,
Conejo,
Village
and,
firstly,
and
most
importantly,
is
that
you
know
that
not
only
I
but
I
think
everyone
I
know
supports
the
interest
of
placement
for
homeless
people.
They
very
much
deserve
a
suitable
location.
H
The
problem
is
the
location.
The
location
is
not
a
suitable
one.
It's
in
an
industrial
park
directly
next
door
to
a
weed
retailer
directly
next
door.
Now
it
is
41
minute
mile
41
minute
walk
to
the
nearest
grocery
store,
which
is
a
Walmart.
There
is
a
shorter
walk.
That's
18
to
25
minutes
to
a
Target
little
Market,
but
it
is
not
a
good
location
is
the
problem.
H
The
other
problem
is
that
if
you've
only
engaged
one
organization
which
is
many
mansions
to
look
for
a
location,
they
failed,
they
are
not
the
only
ones
that
can
find
a
location.
I
happen
to
be
a
residential
real
estate
agent,
who
can
actually
help
with
that
effort
and
I
would
be
honored
and
loved
to
help
find
a
new
location,
that's
actually
suitable,
not
in
the
middle
of
an
industrial
park.
H
That's
within
0.5
miles
to
Rancho
Conejo,
which
has
950
homes,
950
families,
and
we
were
never
not
even
our
board
of
directors
who
I
was
in
touch
with
yes
on
Monday
to
let
him
know
about
this.
He
didn't
even
know
about
it.
None
of
the
board
knew
about
it
because
apparently
the
Ombudsman
didn't
get
the
message
out
for
specific
reasons
or
not.
So
none
of
if
Rancho
knew
about
this
I
guarantee
you
this
place
would
be
full
because
it's
mostly
going
to
affect
us.
H
D
G
This
is
the
location.
Is
the
problem
I
feel
that
by
choosing
this
location,
first
of
all,
you
could
be
doing
a
ground
lease
on
this
and
make
more
money
you're
going
to
end
up
this.
Unfortunately,
this
is
probably
going
to
fail
and
I'm
offering
you
to
save
that
fiscal
issue
and
choose
a
new
location.
Thank
you.
Man.
G
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
Engler
and
council
members,
I'm
a
35
arrest
year,
resident
of
south
or
Newbury
Park,
and
my
concern
is
a
couple
of
things.
Is
that
first
of
all
temporary?
What
does
that
mean?
Are
we
talking
about
six
months
a
year?
It
could
not
be
extended
because
of
circumstances.
I'm
also
concerned
about
somebody
said,
is
a
myth
that
this
wouldn't
attract.
G
G
G
That's
involved
in
this
and
I
like
to
know
what
kind
of
Rehabilitation
is
going
to
be
done
in
the
dollars
that
will
be
allocated
to
it
because
of
Andy
Bales
in
the
rescue
mission
down
in
skid
row,
and
also
my
friend,
who
is
ahead
of
the
City
of
Hope
or
hope
of
the
valley.
Excuse
me
receipt
of
Ken
Craft,
there's
an
issue
with
rehabilitate
rehabilitation.
G
Are
we
just
housing
these
people
to
do
their
own
thing?
Are
we
really
trying
to
help
them
not
just
feeding
them,
but
really
getting
back
on
their
feet
mentally
and
emotionally?
A
lot
of
these
people
are
either
drug
addicted
or
they're
mentally
ill
and
mentally
ill
people
tend
to
go
to
drugs,
and
people
that
are
on
drugs
can
become
mentally
ill
as
well.
So
what
kind
of
Rehabilitation
programs
are
they
and
are
they
just
offered
to
them
and
how.
N
Mission
down
in
La
says:
there's
plenty
of
beds
there
for
people
to
come
in
and
fill,
but
because
people
don't
want
to
submit
to
any
kind
of
Rehabilitation.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
religion.
It
could
be
simply
work
programs
or
work
programs
that
could
build
their
character.
So
we
need
to
look
at
those
things,
and
one
last
thing
I
know
my
time
is
up
is
the
RFP
process.
How
is
the
stuff
Source
selected,
so
we
get
the
most
bang
out
of
our
buck.
N
N
N
Homelessness
is
something
that
is
very
familiar
to
our
field.
Staff
and
I
really
rise
to
applaud
the
staff.
The
committee,
our
our
Sheriff's
topd,
has
has
been
outstanding
over
the
years
working
with
us,
I
have
found.
The
homeless
population
is
very
similar
to
the
to
the
to
the
general
public
population.
There's
some
just
wonderful,
lovely
people
that
are
great
to
work
with
and
and
then
there's
some
folks.
That
might
be
a
little
more
challenging
same
as
in
the
in
the
you
know,
typical
population
with
homes.
N
D
E
I
really
just
want
to
say
and
again
I'm
speaking
for
myself
as
the
general
manager
responsible
for
the
140
staff
people
at
the
at
the
district.
We
haven't
had
a
chance
yet
at
my
board
level
to
talk
about
it,
but
your
work
to
address
the
homeless
thing
is
really
important
and
it's
really
going
to
help
us
out
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work.
E
Er
members
of
the
city
council,
members
of
City
staff,
I,
am
Rick
Schroeder
president
of
many
mansions
in
many
mansions
is
a
non-profit,
affordable
housing
and
service
provider
and
is
the
largest
permanent,
Supportive
Housing,
developer
and
operator
in
Ventura
County,
and
we
strongly
support
staff
recommendation
in
this
matter.
Declaring
this
land
on
Lawrence
Drive,
a
surplus
property
with
the
intent
of
developing
it
into
a
site
of
interim
housing
with
a
navigation
Center,
a
housing
navigation
Center.
E
E
E
E
T
Assist
those
individuals
transition
into
permanent
housing,
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
as
provided
by
many
mansions,
or
hopefully,
the
Quality
Inn,
which
is
under
development.
So
in
conclusion,
we
strongly
supports
staff
recommendation.
It's
long
overdue
in
this
community.
I
do
want
to
applaud
our
founder
Frank
Show
Low
for
his
effort
in
pushing
this,
and
so
please
support
this
matter.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Sir.
T
Good
evening,
mayor
Engler
city,
council,
City
staff,
my
name
is
Kyle
rohrbach
I
am
a
long
time
resident
of
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I
want
to
speak
in
in
favor
of
of
the
the
rezoning
of
the
land
to
pursue
this
project.
It's
for
a
few
reasons.
I've
had
an
opportunity
recently
to
speak
with
a
lot
of
our
residents
about
City
issues
generally
speaking
and
I.
Think
it's
no
surprise
to
all
of
you
that
homelessness
is
at
the
top
of
the
list
for
many
people
and
I.
T
Think
we
all
can
also
agree
that
we
live
in
a
pretty
partisan
time,
a
pretty
divisive
time
where
it's
really
difficult
to
build
consensus
on
any
one
topic,
and
yet
I
have
yet
to
meet
a
resident
that
wants
people
living
on
the
streets
of
Thousand
Oaks.
That's
one
thing
that
I
think
most
of
us,
if
not
all
of
us
can
actually
agree
upon,
is
that
no
one
wants
people
living
on
the
streets
of
Thousand
Oaks,
how
we
get
there
and
how
we
address
this
issue
with
our
various
Solutions
I.
T
Think
is
indeed
the
debate,
but
we
know
that
we're
starting
from
a
place
of
commonality
and
that
the
end
goal
is
the
same,
which
tells
me
that
we
can
build
consensus
and
that
when
we
have
opportunities
that
are
presented
like
this,
one
which
are
built
in
practicality,
hold
true
to
the
responsibility
of
our
local
government
and
are
focused
on
the
future
of.
What's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
then
we
have
an
obligation
to
take
action.
T
T
R
R
That
was
our
last
speaker
for
the
night
attorney
staff
for
any
responses
to
some
of
the
questions
raised
by
our
speakers.
Yes,
thank
you
mayor,
ingler
I
will
do
my
best.
I
was
writing
favoritely
here
trying
to
capture
all
of
the
comments,
concerns
and
questions
by
the
public
I'd
just
like
to
start
out
by
saying
that
I
certainly
appreciate
respect
and
hear
the
concerns
of
the
residents
that
are
within
a
half
mile
of
this
location.
R
Unregulated
homelessness
is
a
significant
issue
for
Thousand
Oaks,
and
this
is
the
the
one
of
the
tools
in
the
toolbox.
If
you
will
to
deal
with
and
respond
to
homelessness,
we
have
no
interim
housing
options
available
in
Thousand
Oaks.
This
facility
would
attempt
to
better
address
the
problem
at
hand.
Without
it
we
have
limited
enforcement
tools.
R
I
I
just
want
to
go
back
again
to
looking
for
various
sites.
We
have
spent
hours
City
staff
on
top
of
what
many
mansions
has
already
spent
on
what
their
team
looking
for
a
site.
This
was
not
a
as
you
know,
as
a
mayor
and
Miss
Bill
De
La
Pena,
as
you
know,
as
ad
hoc
committee
members,
that
there
were
challenges
finding
a
site,
and
this
was
not
something
that
was
taken
lightly.
R
We
did
speak
so
just
to
start
responding
to
some
of
the
specific
questions
we
actually
the
vulnerable
population
officers
and
my
myself.
We
actually
met
and
spoke
with
Ken
Craft,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
Hope
of
the
valley
and
not
all
persons
that
are
experiencing
homelessness,
are
going
to
accept
Services.
However,
for
those
who
do
accept
Services,
the
operator
will
provide
sufficient
services
to
help
meet
the
goal
of
transitioning.
The
individuals
there
into
permanent
housing
and
those
services
do
include
drug
rehabilitation,
drug
treatment,
case
management,
employment
and
education.
R
Exploring
those
options
there
are
wraparound
Services,
provided
this
will
be
again.
I
want
to
re-emphasize
a
regulated
facility
with
24
7
security
and
24
7
staff
on
site.
The
opportunity
for
engagement
will
continue.
This
is
the
initial
step.
I
would
like
to
again
state
that
there
was
initial
Outreach
to
the
surrounding
businesses.
I
have
a
list
from
our
Ombudsman
of
at
least
nearly
30
individuals
that
he
has
spoken
with
so
far.
This
includes
Property
Owners
business
owners
as
well
as
Brokers
that
represent
businesses
in
the
area.
R
There
was
a
comment
made
about
I
believe
from
the
first
speaker
on
spending
taxpayer
dollars
there
just
in
terms
of
cost
of
homelessness.
There
was
a
study
conducted
by
Ventura
County
in
2020
that
looked
at
what
is
the
cost
of
homelessness
to
the
county
and
what
they
did
was
out
of
the
nearly
9
000
individuals
that
had
some
touch
with
our
homeless
management
information
system.
R
They
looked
at
the
highest
utilizers
of
of
our
our
services
and
what
they
found
is
that
the
cost
is
anywhere
from
thirty,
seven
thousand
to
fifty
seven
thousand
dollars
annually
and
primarily
those
costs
are
made
up
of
our
for
medical
for
incarceration,
as
well
as
Behavior
Health.
In
addition,
just
year
to
date
on
responding
to
homeless
encampments,
our
public
work
staff
have
spent
numerous
hours
and
at
least
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cleanup
costs
for
an
encampments
we
receive
and
then.
R
Lastly,
in
terms
of
costs,
we
do
receive
a
quarterly
report
from
the
Ventura
County
Fire
District,
and
just
this
year
alone
they
have
spent
a
hundred
and
seventy
three
thousand
dollars
in
resp
and
responses
to
homelessness.
Last
year,
that
amount
was
250
000..
So
if
we
continue
on
this
trend
likely,
those
costs
are
going
to
continue
to
increase
year
over
year.
R
Someone
mentioned
I
believe
what
I
heard
was
concerns
regarding
parking
parking
will
be
provided
on
site
for
staff,
so
that
is
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
RFP.
There
will
be
sufficient
parking,
provided
there
was
a
member
of
the
public
who
mentioned
mobile,
Loaves
and
Fishes,
and
that
is
a
program
that
we
are
actually
familiar
with.
It
is
very
impressive.
R
Again,
there's
no
location,
that's
not
within
a
half
mile
residential.
This
is
not
a
residential
area,
it
is
an
industrial
area.
Someone
asked
the
question
of
how
long
are
individuals
allowed
to
stay
here
or
at
this
navigation
Center?
Typically,
what
you
see
is
a
participation
or
a
participant
agreement
for
90
to
120
days
and
again,
the
goal
is
to
move
the
person
along
to
permanent
housing.
If
permanent
housing
is
not
available
and
that
person
is
meeting
the
requirements
of
their
participation
agreement,
it
will
get
renewed.
R
F
Engagement
efforts
as
well
so
that
we
can
hear
the
concerns
and
questions
from
nearby
businesses
and
residents
and
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
mitigate
those
concerns,
and
then
there
is
also
the
sup
process.
So
you
know
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
required
and
there
will
be
conditions
that
are
set
forth
for
this
project.
F
F
What
we've
got
on
the
streets
until
another
bed
opens
up?
Whoever
would
like
to
answer
that
I'm
more
than
willing
to
hear
an
answer,
so
we
are
scaling
for
30.
Initially,
we
are
holding
proposing
to
hold
at
least
five
beds
for
law
enforcement
and
ideally
with
the
addition
of
this
interim
housing
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there
are
motel
vouchers
and
other
services
that
are
provided
through
our
you
know,
LSS
and
Harbor
House.
So,
ideally,
this
will
free
up
additional
resource
and
our
vulnerable
population
officers
work
closely
with
these
organizations.
F
I
acknowledge
this
as
a
beginning
effort
and
applaud
the
beginning
effort,
those
five
beds
for
law
enforcement
when
they
get
full.
We
now
have
no
more
tools
for
law
enforcement
to
get
them
off
the
street
and
sleeping
on
government
property
and
so
forth.
So
the
answer
from
what
I'm
hearing
and
and
thinking
about
is
that
more
needs
to
be
provided.
I
spent
a
day
with
former
mayor
and
council
member
Frank
Schiller,
looking
for
and
driving
around
the
city
and
I
acknowledge
it's
going
to
be
tough
to
find
a
place
to
put
a
homeless
shelter.
T
F
N
Public
policy,
my
answer
is:
we've
got
a
naval
base.
That's
got
a
lot
of
land
over
in
Port
Hueneme.
It
has
empty
barracks.
Why
don't
we
lease
for
one
dollar
a
year,
10
acres
put
a
fence
around
it,
put
up
a
quonset
hut,
and
that
opens
up
a
lot
for
the
County
of
Ventura
and
I.
Think
that
would
be
the
better
way
to
go
to
address
this
of
them
locally.
N
We
suck
up
all
the
bits,
they're
all
full
and
we
don't
have
any
other
options
really
to
get
them
off.
The
street
is
my
my
thought,
so
maybe
I'll
jump
in
here
so
obviously
the
and
you
and
I've
talked
about
it.
The
intriguing,
the
the
port
180
solution
there,
Department
of
Defense
being
what
they
are
is
is
the
The
Challenge
and
the
impediment
there
and
I.
You
know
certainly
encourage
anyone
that
wants
to
to
try
to
you
know,
keep
pushing.
F
Towards
that
that
that
that
might,
you
know,
be
a
conversation
to
have
with
them
in
regards
to
the
scaling
of
the
facility,
we've
been
very
deliberate
to
try
to
scale
for
our
community
and
our
need
without
over
scaling.
Initially
I'm.
A
five
bed
set
aside
is
obviously
not
is
not
a
huge
number,
but
it
is
a
number
that
we
intend
to
maintain
that
and
in
the
event
that
that's
not
workable,
we'll
need
to
come
back
and
and
have
conversations
about.
How
do
we
manage
that?
Do
we
hold
back
more?
F
E
N
D
Is
that
if
it's
not
working
and
I
expect
speed
bumps
that
we
can
overcome,
but
perhaps
city
manager,
Mr
Powers?
Can
we
put
an
out
clause
that
we
have
60
days
that
if
we
want
to
terminate
this,
we
can
so
we're
not
locked
into
it
for
five
years,
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
sup
process
and
and
remember
bars
and
restaurants
and
other
things
have
sups
and
scps
are
revocable.
If
there
are
impacts
associated
with
this
special
use
permit
Associated,
and
so
that
would
be.
There
would
be
an
operations
agreement
with
there.
Q
Q
Q
R
That
this
is
not
a
drop-in
shelter,
which
is
a
big
differentiation
between
what
we're
proposing
tonight
drop
in
as
high
understanding.
You
know
people
can
line
up,
they
congregate
out
in
front
we're,
not
anticipating
anything
like
that.
Are
we
that's
correct,
yeah,
yeah
and
The
View.
You
know,
I
visited
the
one
in
Santa
Barbara
and
you
couldn't
tell
it
was
there
because
it
was
was
behind
a
like
a
gate
and
a
wall
kind
of
situation.
R
R
There
is
it's
structured
and
it
is
regulated
and
as
our
police
chief
mentioned,
if
there
are
people
leaving
the
site
and
breaking
the
law,
then
that
needs
to
be
reported
and
they
will
law
enforcement
will
deal
with
it
accordingly,
I
guess
theoretically,
I
mean
with
30
units
the
most
people
they're
going
to
be
there
be
30
people
right
and
theoretically,
unless
there's
couples.
That
I
also
just
want
to
remind
the
city
council,
with
the
approval
of
the
quality
and.
B
Permanent
Supportive
Housing
that
are
going
to
be
provided
as
well,
so
we're
looking
at
account
of
approximately
250.
We
have
77
beds
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing
and
then,
if
this
moves
forward,
we
will
have
an
additional
30
beds
and
then
also,
as
previously
mentioned
in
the
presentation
we
have
been
in
conversations
county-wide
and
looking
at
some
type
of
regional
effort
as
well.
There's
no
proposed
project
at
the
moment,
but
these
are
ongoing
conversations.
Thousand
Oaks
is
not
the
only
community
that
is
facing
a
growing
homelessness
crisis,
thanks,
Ingrid
Miss
bildo.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
Engler
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
in
the
years
of
research
that
that
we
have
done,
we've
looked
at
different
sites,
especially
in
the
last
two
years,
or
so
in
last
10
months,
that
the
sites
that
were
considered
such
as
a
motel
hotel
to
be
converted.
They
were
immediately
next
to
residential
separated
Maybe
by
Just,
a
block
wall
and
so,
and
that
was
really
with
most
I,
also
want
to
say
that
many
mansions
have
worked
for
nine
months
with
a
commercial
real
estate
broker,
and
it
was
slim
pickings
here
it.
B
So
we
have
been
Sheltering
people
except
it's
been
happening
in
churches
and
only
during
the
winter
and
the
city
has
a
website
that
is
dedicated
to
homelessness.
It
shows
the
faces
of
homelessness
and
it
shows
that
the
vast
majority
of
homeless
persons,
unsheltered
persons
are
from
Thousand
Oaks.
They
graduated
from
our
local
high
schools.
B
They
work
at
local
offices,
they
work
at
a
biotech
company,
they
work
as
real
estate
agents
they're
living
in
their
cars,
and
those
are
the
people
that
will
easily
be
helped
that
want
to
find
a
place
to
stay.
It
is
the
heavy
duty,
drug
addicts
that
will
be
the
hardest
cases.
There
is
no
doubt
about
that.
B
B
Excuse
me,
sir
sir,
we
can't
take
questions
from
the
audience
we've
had.
We
started
a
town
hall
meeting
in
2019
we've
built
up
to
what
we
have
tonight
and
it
there
is
not
ever
a
perfect
solution,
but
this
is
as
close
as
we
can
get,
and
there
will
be
many
more
opportunities
to
weigh
in
with
a
Planning
Commission
meetings.
Community
meetings,
I
know
that
I
mean
we
have
befriended
homeless.
R
Of
the
hard
work
I
appreciate
that
very
very
much
you
should
be
proud
of
yourself.
This
is
a
big
thing
really
is
who
would
have
thought?
Thank
you,
a
quick
question,
I
think
just
for
staff.
If
you
can
go
a
little
bit,
you've
covered
it
on
one
of
your
slides.
This
is
a
request
to
us
to
initiate
an
RFP.
N
Going
to
have
an
RFP
come
in
and
what
is
what
is
the
other
steps
that
need
to
take
place
prior
to
any
institution
of
any
type
of
structures
out
there?
So
we
will
return
to
the
city
council
in
December
with
a
recommended
developer
operator,
they
will
be
required
to
go
through
our
regular,
permitting
and
entitlement
process.
They'll
have
to
submit
plans.
These
plans
will
have
to
be
approved.
N
They
will
have
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
special
use.
Permit.
There
are
a
number
of
steps
that
will
be
required.
I'm.
Looking
at
my
boss
here,
who
has
additional
comments,
she
was
perfect
spot
on,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
to
be
very
candid
and
to
mention
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
an
important
step
forward,
so
I
don't
want
to
put
any
Illusions
out
there
that
this
is
not
a
a
step
forward
and
I
also
think
it's
important
to
calibrate
everybody's
expectations.
N
B
Anywhere
we
would
have
picked
is
going
to
be
within
that
within
that
that
Spectrum
in
our
community
and
our
community
is
54
square
miles.
So
I
you
know,
just
there
are
steps
to
go
here,
but
I.
We
are
going
to
be
embarking
if
Council
moves
forward
here
in
an
RFP
process
and
that
puts
out
into
the
marketplace.
F
F
One
one
more
thing,
I
wanted
to
say
is
besides
residents.
Having
told
us
do
something
about
it,
it
is
also
the
local
businesses
that
have
been
fed
up
and
they
wanted
us
to
do
something.
Taking
care
and
addressing
homelessness
also
helps
our
local
economy.
That
is
important
point
to
make.
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
or
comments
very
good,
a
comment
from
Mr
McNamee.
F
F
D
D
B
Mayor
shillow
and
I
found
driving
around
the
community
it's
difficult
to
find
a
good
place
to
put
something
like
this,
and
this
is
the
better
of
all
the
places
that
we
looked
at
so
with
that
I
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
making
this
an
attempt.
Yes,
we
will
have
speed
if
you
want
to
make
a
did
you
want
to
make
a
motion,
you
know
what
let
me
think
about
that
yeah.
Let
me
make
a
motion
that
we
accept.
D
What
is
this
13A
and
staff
recommendation
recommendations?
Yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
guidance,
any
other
comments:
Madam
Clerk,
I'm.
Sorry,
yes,
just
one
more
comment
regarding
drugs.
Also
having
spoken
to
many
of
the
year,
the
unsheltered
population,
the
many
fell
and
hard
times
because
of
opioid
addiction.
They
were
going
through
surgery
got
addicted
to
all
of
these
narcotics,
and
then
it
was
over.
So
it
is
a
drug
addiction
that
started
right
here
at
home,
yeah,
there's,
there's
a
I
I,
try
to
remind
everybody
that
we
don't
have
a
homeless
problem.
D
J
J
J
C
D
F
D
Have
any
comments
from
our
time
down
in
Long,
Beach
I
have
to
tell
you.
The
cities
in
California
are
all
facing
the
same
issues.
We
are
whether
you're,
big
or
small,
and
the
biggest
message
I
took
back
was
that
we're
all
having
to
navigate
the
imposition
of
Sacramento
upon
the
cities
here
in
California
trying
to
get
through
their
regulations
and
their
requirements,
their
laws
telling
us
how
to
run
our
cities.
D
We
had
cities
as
small
as
2
500
people,
500
people,
600
people
all
the
way
up
to
Millions
and
we're
all
facing
again
Sacramento's
in
position
of
their
will
upon
the
cities
of
California
mayor.
What
were
your
thoughts?
Did
you
take
away
on
that?
There
was
it's.
It's
always
I,
I
believe
money
well
spent
to
have
council
members
and
staff
attend
these
types
of.
N
D
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Powers,
our
city
manager.
Our
City
attorney,
also
has
some
announcements
to
make.
Thank
you
mayor
angler.
We
do
have
one
closed
session
tonight.
It
is
conference
with
legal
counsel.
Pursuant
to
government
code,
section
549-56.98
on
existing
litigation
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
versus
chpce
Thousand,
Oaks
LLC,
it
is
unlikely
I'll,
have
anything
to
report.