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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - May 24, 2022
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Thousand Oaks, CA | City Council Meeting - 5/24/22
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Welcome
everybody
to
our
council
meeting
tonight,
it's
with
great
pleasure
that
I
asked
for
a
little
bit
of
help
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
Today
we
are,
we
are
honored
to
have
our
girl
scout
troop
and
we'll
have
some
of
the
members
come
up
and
help
us
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
So
please
step
forward.
Girls.
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In
manager
here
at
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
pleased
to
introduce
the
girl
scouts
of
california's
central
coast
this
evening,
we've
worked
with
this
incredible
group
of
young
ladies
supportive
parents
and
caregivers
for
the
last
several
months
to
build
and
develop
an
innovative
new
program
for
these
scouts
to
earn
a
bronze
award
the
highest
award
a
junior
girl
scout
can
earn.
The
goal
was
to
explore
an
issue
impacting
their
community
and
create
a
solution.
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Thanks
to
the
council's
action
on
acquiring
the
former
hillcrest
christian
school
site
at
384
herbs,
we
were
able
to
use
real-life
examples
and
experiences
to
give
these
scouts
things
to
discuss
and
to
develop
a
thoughtful,
affordable,
housing
concept.
The
troops
did
formal
presentations
of
these
projects
to
city
staff
from
public
works,
community
development
and
finance.
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Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
having
us
tonight,
I
am
jocelyn
skelton,
the
development
director
for
the
girl
scouts
of
california
central
coast.
We
are
honored
to
be
here,
highlighting
these
groups
of
young.
Ladies
for
their
impressive
work
on
the
building
change
one
brick.
At
a
time
program,
our
council
received
a
lego,
grant
an
effort
to
engage
more
girls
with
a
take
action
project.
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In
this
effort
we
wanted
to
give
girls
the
hands-on
experience
on
how
they
could
take
action
in
the
community
that
they
live
and
play
in.
We
are
so
grateful
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
for
allowing
42
of
our
girl
scouts
to
have
a
voice.
These
4th
and
5th
graders
range
from
9
to
11
years
old,
and
let
me
tell
you,
I
got
to
hear
a
few
of
their
project
proposals
and
I
was
taken
back
with
how
imaginative
resourceful
thoughtful
and
forward-thinking
they
are.
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It
I'm
sorry
finding
homes
for
the
homeless
because
of
you,
our
girls,
voices
felt
heard
and
what
an
incredible
impact
that
has
on
young
minds
it's
because
of
this
beautiful
partnership
that
we
have
built
together.
That
set
the
pace
for
this
program
to
be
taken
on
the
road
councilwide
across
our
six
counties.
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Thank
you
to
everyone
who
participated
some
of
these
models
here.
You'll
see
they
include
housing,
but
also
a
wide
array
of
amenities
that
the
girls
very
thoughtfully,
planned
and
included
in
such
as
meditation
stations,
libraries,
computer,
centers
and
all
sorts
of
other
options.
So
at
this
time,
we'd
love
to
take
a
few
photos
with
the
council.
We're
going
to
break
the
girls
out
by
troop.
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So
I'm
also,
please
have
the
opportunity
to
introduce
our
canado
recreation
and
parts
district
team,
and
they
will
be
giving
the
annual
update
on
our
many
partnerships
and
how
we
make
the
community
a
great
place
to
live
and
play
this
november.
They
are
celebrating
60
years
of
serving
thousand
oaks.
Their
parks
and
recreation
programs
help
establish
and
maintain
our
quality
of
life,
ensuring
the
health
of
our
residents
and
contributing
to
our
economic
and
environmental
well-being.
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I
believe
that
all
of
you
have
this
flyer
in
front
of
you.
I
just
want
to
mention
it
emphasizes
and
shows
all
the
incredible
partnerships
that
we
share
in
the
community
to
make
this
an
amazing
community
for
our
patrons,
but
tonight
we'll
just
be
focusing
on
the
global
adult
community
center
and
the
teen
center.
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As
you
can
see,
their
pictures
are
kind
of
small,
but
on
the
bottom
right
we
have
a
ballroom
dance
lessons
top
middle
our
bingo
program
three
times
a
week
is
still
very
popular
with
over
a
hundred
attendees
coming
every
time
left
we
have
our
beginning
knitting
class
and
then
bottom
left.
We
have
looks
like
another
ballroom
class
and
then
in
the
middle
we
have
larry
janz,
who
came
out
for
a
special
event
to
talk
to
the
seniors
about
growing
up
in
the
canelo
valley.
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The
global
center
has
become
a
location
that
the
county
of
ventura
values
as
a
facility
where
they
can
best
serve
the
east
county
residents
in
2021
global
center
was
a
cova
vaccination
site
for
five
months
and
has
since
had
several
outdoor
flu
and
covid
and
booster
clinics
and
coming
up
june,
7th
and
november
8th.
The
global
center
will
be
a
polling
destination
as
well.
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The
grant
funded
senior
nutrition
lunch
program
is
for
senior
60
plus,
and
we
serve
lunch
to
50
plus
seniors
a
day.
Volunteers
are
back
in
option
action,
helping
prep
lunch
in
the
kitchen
host
in
the
cafe
and
check
in
snp
participants.
Collectively
volunteers
volunteer
over
five
thousand
hours
per
year.
We
had
a
wonderful
birthday
celebration
at
our
lunch
program,
this
past
december
for
csvp's
100
year
old,
volunteer.
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You
can
see
in
the
top
a
few
of
you
were
there.
So
thank
you
for
coming
to
that.
Csvp's.
Free
income
tax
program
is
in
cooperation
with
the
irs
and
is
in
its
32nd
year.
This
program
took
place
february,
1st
through
april
15th
at
canejo,
creek,
south
community
building
monday
through
friday,
from
8
30
to
4
p.m
and
at
the
newbury
park,
library
from
10
a.m
to
4
p.m.
We
added
both
mandarin
and
spanish
translation
to
our
program.
This
season.
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This
dedicated
team
of
40
volunteers
and
greeters
completed
2
1888
free
income
tax
returns
this
season
bringing
close
to
half
a
million
dollars
back
to
our
community.
80
of
these
returns
were
for
senior
60,
plus
national
volunteer
month
lands
in
april
each
year
and
csvp
and
its
advisory
council
was
beyond
excited
to
bring
back
our
first
appreciation.
Since
2019.
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The
2018
and
2019
events
raised
over
70
thousand
dollars
for
our
local
nonprofits
and
we
are
very
excited
to
bring
this
event
back
this
summer
with
even
more
prizes
and
some
other
fun
editions
make
sure
to
check
out
charitykaraoke.org
to
support
your
favorite
non-profit
and
to
purchase
tickets,
and
you
can
see
we
have
some
really
fantastic
organizations
that
are
going
to
be
here
this
summer.
Thank
you.
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No
problem
summer
2021
at
the
thousand
oaks
teen
center
program,
rosters,
filled
up
quickly
upon
opening
post
pandemic
closure
based
off
of
our
registration
numbers.
The
public
was
very
anxious
to
return.
We
held
49
classes
and
camps,
totaling
585
teens
registered
just
for
the
summer
session,
and
we
have
tracked
a
very
successful
year
as
well
with
the
uncounted
numbers
that
we
take
for
drop-in
recreation
programs.
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Lastly,
though,
our
building
is
closed.
Through
most
of
this
summer,
we
are
thrilled
to
see
progress
done
to
the
backyard
area,
with
escape,
plaza
footings
in
place
and
the
renovation
happening
inside.
Many
of
you
were
at
the
ground
breaking
so
thank
you.
Programs
are
currently
taking
place
with
the
use
of
the
jans
marketplace
at
a
storefront,
sycamore,
canyon,
school
gym
and
various
other
crpd
community
centers.
When
we
open
late
summer,
we
will
be
the
place
to
hang
out
for
sure.
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This
concludes
our
presentation.
In
closing,
we
would
like
to
thank
the
city
for
all
the
support
and
allowing
us
to
serve
our
community.
We
are
looking
forward
to
showing
off
our
facilities
to
the
community
once
construction
is
complete,
but
in
the
meantime,
we'll
continue
to
serve
how
we
can
in
anticipation
and
excitement.
Thank
you
very
much.
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Okay,
we
have
one
other
presentation
tonight
and
that
presentation
is
by
our
own
ventura
county
fire
department
to
talk
to
us
about
fire
resiliency
fire
resistance.
Resiliency
is
a
topic
that
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
I'm
very
proud
to
welcome
our
local
experts
to
help
share
and
give
this
information
for
our
public.
B
I'm
going
to
call
down
jeff
shea,
who
is
our
thousand
eight
thousand
oaks
fire
chief,
I'm
also
going
to
have
chad
cook
one
of
our
deputy
chiefs
to
come
on
down,
along
with
scott
thompson
and
larry
williams,
experts
in
the
field
of
wildland
firefighting.
So,
gentlemen,
thank
you
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
your
presentation.
I
Good
evening,
mayor
engler
and
council
members
again,
as
you
mentioned,
I'm
joined
on
my
left
by
ventura
county
fire
department,
deputy
chief
chad
cook,
on
his
left
scott
thompson,
our
public
relations
director
and
larry
williams.
Our
fire
hazard
reduction
program
director
yeah,
as
we
mentioned,
we'll
be
we'll
be
discussing
fire
risk
and
hazard
reduction,
and
the
the
theme
of
this
presentation
is
that
extreme
drought
requires
diligence
in
preventative
measures
and
response.
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So
tonight
we'll
be
discussing
our
fire
risk
prevention
efforts,
added
resources,
the
venture
county
fire
department's
outreach
campaign
and
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
answer
any
questions
that
may
that
may
present
themselves
so
our
fire
risk.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
thomas
fire
in
2017
again
just
to
to
refresh
all
our
memories
of
the
impacts
of
wildland
fire
here
in
ventura
county
severe
drought
is
increasing
the
the
risk
of
wildfires.
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This
was
found
necessary
as
field
data
has
demonstrated
that
wildfire
progression
can
quickly
outpace
the
efforts
of
first
responders
during
large
and
or
concurrent
wildland
urban
interspace
buyers.
Simply
in
the
event
of
a
wind-driven
brush
fire.
There
are
limited
fire
resources
to
protect
all
structures
that
are
threatened
and
these
findings
were
published
in
the
national
institute
of
standards
and
technology.
2022
wildland
urban
interface
structure
parcel
community
fire
hazard
mitigation
methodology
report.
I
This
increased
their
payload
we're
able
to
drop
a
thousand
gallons
of
water
per
load
with
these
fire
hawk
helicopters,
which
is
an
increase
from
the
320
gallons
of
our
our
legacy.
Helicopter
fleet
we've
added
a
third
wildland
hand,
crew
staffed
for
2022
and
we'll
continue
training.
This
includes
mutual
aid
system
participation.
I
We
sent
one
strike
team
to
orange
county,
which
is
five
fire
engines
with
a
battalion
chief
as
leader
to
the
to
the
recent
brush
fire
down
there,
and
we
have
incident
management
participation,
mutual
aid.
We
currently
have
12
personnel,
who
were
name
requested
to
assist
in
wildland
fire
management
in
new
mexico,
and
the
value
of
that
is
that
they'll
bring
back
their
skills
and
experience
and
utilize
at
our
wildland
fire
incidents.
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A
Thank
you
mayor,
engler,
good
evening,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
appreciate
that
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
first
home
hardening.
Is
that
something
that
residents
need
to
do
themselves
following
directions
or
guidance,
or
are
there
businesses
companies
that
can
actually
come
to
your
home
and
do
it
for
you.
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The
state
is
developing
a
curriculum
and
a
certificate
certification
program
statewide
that
was
required
by
law,
and
it's
mainly
intended
for
qualified
individuals
or
groups.
Fire
safe
councils,
california,
conservation
corps,
foresters
and
stuff
is
not
really
intended
for
the
private
businesses
in
there
most
of
it's
coming
from
grassroots
community,
based
and
or
from
the
fire
departments.
A
Thank
you
and
the
reason
I'm
mentioning
this
is
because
I
received
many
inquiries
from
residents
worried
about
who
have
seen
the
woolsey
fire
or
the
thomas
fire,
but
here,
in
this
case,
woolsey
fire
concerned
that
100
feet
is
not
enough,
so
maybe
we
can
help
with
our
through
our
website
to
educate
and
inform
the
public
about
the
science.
That's
behind
the
100
feet
at
this
point
just
so
that
residents
have
a
better
understanding
as
to
what
our
policy
is.
Thank
you.
B
I
had
a
quick
question
for
you:
all.
The
fire
safe
councils
in
ventura
county
obviously
have
their
own
websites
and
everything
that
give
out
the
information
does.
What
is
your
website
on
the
county
fire
that
would
give
people
some
information
as
far
as
how
to
do
some
home
hardening
and
the
importance
of
the
reduced
fuel
loads
within
100
feet
of
a
home.
C
C
Anybody
to
come
to
vcfd.org
to
check
out
some
of
those
pieces
of
information
that
you
just
described
as
well
as
others
that
we'll
be
planning
to
add
in
the
weeks
coming
ahead
as
we
ramp
up
this
edu.
You
know
outreach
campaign,
we're
also
planning
to
prepare
a
set
like
an
information
kit
that
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
other
municipalities
in
the
area,
we're
hoping
will
partner
with
us.
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Yeah,
I
might
just
say
that,
if
it
is
on
to
tv,
people
could
watch
it
and
see
what
these
preventative
measures
are,
but
I'm
sure
you're
right
that
the
fire
people
would
be
very
glad
to
meet
with
them.
I'm
glad
we've
had
100
feet
because,
as
I
understood
it
in
earlier
years,
la
county
had
50
feet
and
they
had
a
lot
more
fires
up
until
our
terrible
fires
of
2018,
we
were,
you
know,
went
many
years
without
losing
a
house
in
ventura
county.
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I
was
just
going
to
say
to
that
point:
our
deputy
chief
for
the
county
chad
cook
is
here
he's
one
of
the
folks
may
not
know
this,
but
chad's
one
of
the
top
wildland
considered
one
of
the
top
wildland
fire
leaders
in
the
country,
and
so
maybe
you
could
speak
to
that.
Having
been
on
dozens
of
fires
over
the
course
of
your
career
here
and
what's
you
know
what
you've
seen
on
the
front
lines
from
impacts
over
the
last
handful
of
years.
O
Thank
you
yeah.
My
name
is
chad
cook
and
I'm
the
deputy
fire
chief
for
ventura
county
fire
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
So
I'm
a
type
one
operations
section
chief
with
the
federal
government
and
what
it
basically
means
is.
Since
2007
I
have
tried
to
build
my
resume
to
manage
large-scale
wildfire.
I
will
say
that
the
management
of
the
firing
coming
in
after
the
effects
to
come
into
communities
really
isn't
the
education.
O
O
O
I
will
tell
you
that
I
have
managed
some
of
the
largest
wildfires
in
the
state
and
I
have
had
probably
more
failures
than
I've
had
successes,
and
I
have
seen
a
lot
of
things
in
that
time
and
I
will
tell
you
that
the
ventura
county
fire
department
takes
this
very
seriously
when
we
try
to
apply
our
actual
efforts
to
what
we've
seen
and
what
our
people
bring
back
to
the
to
the
agency,
especially
for
our
communities
that
we
protect.
Jeff
briefly
touched
on
our
members
in
new
mexico.
O
The
fuel
models
that
they
see
are
very
very
close
to
what
we
see
here
in
ventura
county,
especially
outside
of
las
vegas,
new
mexico,
where
the
main
camp
is
held
for
the
fire
right
now,
having
our
people
there
and
being
able
to
relate
to
the
fuel
model.
That's
there.
You
start
looking
at
all
these
different
things
and
you
realize
that
it's
no
different
than
being
in
ventura
county,
and
so
I
will
tell
you
I
thank
you
for
the
for
the
vote
of
confidence.
O
C
J
Wind-Driven
fire,
which
most
of
them
seem
to
be,
as
I
understand
these
embers
can
blow
from
literally
miles.
I
remember
pardon
me
in
the
woolsey
fire
jumped
the
101
freeway
and
I
don't
know
how
wide
that
is,
but
it's
a
lot
more
than
100
feet
so
yeah
to
me
the
key
is
hardening
your
home
because
that's
if
these
embers
get
under
an
eve
or
something
that
could
be
the
beginning
of
the
end,
you
know
as
you
as
you
look
around
thousand
oaks.
O
P
P
O
Tell
you
that
what
causes
what
when
we
really
examined
the
cultural
aspects
of
wildfire
in
our
community,
we
noticed
that
evacuations
even
play
a
role
when
people
are
stressed
and
when
evacuation
buttons
are
triggered
in
the
community.
People
often
leave
their
house
and
they
leave
it
in
a
little
bit
of
a
disarray
or
disheveled
to
gather
their
family,
their
belongings
and
they
leave.
What
happens
is
often
they
don't
go
around
to
make
sure
their
windows
are
closed.
O
They
don't
go
around
to
make
sure
that
their
house
is
hardened
when
they're,
leaving
because
they're
in
a
state
of
I
don't
want
to
call
it
panic
but
they're
in
a
state
of
despair
where
they
need
to
get
out
of
an
area.
So
what
ends
up
happening?
Is
you
see?
A
lot
of
the
aftermath
of
fire
is
actually
because
of
our
own
processes.
When
our
communities,
our
homes,
are
stricken
by
wildfire
or
they
have
it,
and
so
there's
a
process
that
goes
into
it,
and
you
see
that
homes
burn
because
windows
are
left
open.
N
O
Open
people
leave
hastily,
and
you
realize
you
go
wow
that
that
home
was
400
feet
away
from
the
fire
and
it
had
a
fire
and
they
go
well.
There
was
an
upstairs
bedroom
window
that
was
left
open
and
the
amber
cast
came
through
a
bedroom
window
caught
a
bed
spread
on
fire.
Next
thing
you
know
the
attic
is
involved
in
the
houses
can
spread
to
the
neighbor's
house
in
the
same
wind
conditions.
What
you
really
need
to
focus
on
is
that
the
homes
in
the
community
are
part
of
the
fuel.
C
O
It's
not
just
the
brush,
it
is.
The
complete
community
is
the
fuel
bed,
especially
when
driven
by
wind.
If
you
were
to
look
at
some
pictures
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
from
many
many
years
ago,
you
see
a
young
community
that
has
trees
that
aren't
matured
things
that
haven't
happened.
You
say
well,
what's
different
from
the
70s
to
today
and
as
you
look
at
that
maturity
and
you
look
at.
P
O
Photos
from
several
years
ago,
you
see
that
neighborhood
mature
up
and
you
go
whoa.
The
vegetation
has
grown
in
and
you
go
that
whole
community
is
more
susceptible
to
wire
wildfire
than
a
younger
community
that
doesn't
have
all
the
growth
and
vegetation
around
it.
So
you
realize
that
we
could
be
up
against
some
very
significant
things,
especially
with
drought
single
day
watering.
Things
like
that.
J
B
B
B
B
D
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record.
We
have
two
individuals
that
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes
and
the
yellow
light
displays
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
E
Good
evening,
mayor
angler,
council,
members
and
city
staff,
my
name
is
carol
shelton
and
I
live
in
thousand
oaks.
I'm
a
membership
of
I'm
on
the
executive
leadership
of
thrive.
Canejo.
I've
come
here
to
speak
about
the
housing
for
the
residents
of
thousand
oaks
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
E
As
of
january
2022,
there
are
over
1100
individuals
served
by
a
local
regional
center.
It
was
hard
to
hear
the
responses
about
housing
and
housing
for
folks
with
idd,
currently
living
in
thousand
oaks.
For
several
reasons.
During
our
last
city
council
meeting,
it
highlighted
a
knowledge
gap,
and
this
gap
prevents
our
city
from
having
informed
conversations
with
builders
about
incentives
and
funding
to
support
housing
options
for
folks
with
idd
new
builds
can
receive
incentives
and
funding
for
set-asides
and
earmarking
those
units
for
folks
with
idd.
It
also
highlighted
a
medical
model,
thinking
mentality.
E
E
E
Many
believe
that
there
is
a
siloed
system
and
a
funding
model
that
allows
our
local
regional
center
to
fund
housing.
This
is
not
the
case.
Our
local
regional
center
does
not
bear
any
responsibility
to
pay
for
housing
costs.
They
can
only
pay
for
the
supports
and
services
that
allows
a
person
to
live
in
their
own
home.
E
Much
like
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
or
builders
bear
no
responsibility
to
find
or
pay
for
the
supportive
services.
Individuals
with
idd
need.
The
goals
for
folks
with
idd
is
to
be
living
in
the
community
independently.
The
last
option
for
a
loved
one
with
idd
is
to
live
in
a
group,
home
residential
care
facility
or
other
institution.
E
E
I'm
happy
to
help
city
staff
engage
with
appropriate
entities
to
understand
the
problems
so
that
our
loved
ones
are
planned
for
advocated
for
and
direct
efforts
are
made
to
find
them
a
place
to
call
home
so
that
they
can
live
independently
in
their
own
home,
as
is
their
right.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
F
Good
evening,
mayor
engler,
council,
members
and
city
staff,
my
name
is
leanne
holland
and
I
live
in
newbury
park.
I
am
the
leader
of
thrive,
canejo.
All
of
our
leadership
team
members
are
parents
of
children
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
who
live
in
thousand
oaks.
During
last
week's
city,
council
planning,
meeting
councilmember
mcnamee
posed
the
question.
What
are
disability
advocates
asking
us
to
do
on
the
issue
of
housing.
F
The
lack
of
affordable
housing
for
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
in
our
community
is
a
well-known
and
long-standing
problem.
It
particularly
impacts
those
who
live
solely
on
supplemental
social
security
income,
known
as
ssi,
which
was
about
954
dollars
per
month
for
californians
last
year
to
those
of
us
with
family
members
impacted
by
the
crisis.
The
lack
of
discussion
or
urgency
surrounding
this
issue
has
been
demoralizing
first
most
of
the
discussion
in
council
meetings
thus
far
has
centered
around
group
homes
or
memory
care
type
facilities.
F
F
F
F
N
Yeah
only
to
say
for
both
speakers,
I'm
going
to
endeavor
have
our
community
development
director
calvin
parker
with
our
team
working
on
the
general
plan
and
all
the
elements
attached
to
that.
I
want
to
you
know,
give
them
additional
opportunities
to
continue
to
engage.
So
I'm
going
to
have
mr
parker
catch
up
with
them
and
melissa
ortado.
If
you
want
to
pop
over
there
as
well.
That's
all.
A
P
The
question
I
posed
last
time
was
to
allow
the
opportunity
for
you
to
bring
forth
what
actions
what
your
needs
are
instead
of
being
nibbles,
and
we
need
our
help
to
come
out
with
something
more
specific
as
what
I
was
looking
for
and
that's
what
you
provided
tonight
as
an
action
plan
for
us,
and
I
thank
you
for
stepping
up
and
making
that
available
to
us
to
consider
and
move
forward.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
B
Q
B
J
L
B
E
Staff
has
prepared
three
required
resolutions.
First,
a
resolution
calling
the
election
to
elect
those
three
council
members.
This
resolution
includes
the
city's
policy
to
resolve
a
thai
vote
by
lot,
which
was
the
direction
provided
by
the
city
council
on
june
5th
2018
and
reaffirmed
on
june
9
2020,
due
to
the
high
costs
associated
with
special
elections.
E
As
in
past
years,
the
league
of
women
voters
may
request
approval
to
hold
a
televised
city
council
candidate
forum,
which
of
course
is
contingent
on
the
ventura
county.
Public
health
orders
and
our
theater
availability
fundraising
began
for
the
election
on
may.
8Th
candidates
are
required
to
submit
a
form
501
prior
to
receiving
or
expending
any
funds
contribution
limits
are
580
dollars
per
person
or
committee
per
the
city's
adopted
campaign
contribution
limit,
which
was
last
updated
in
october
of
2021.
The
candidate
nomination
period
begins
this
year
on
july,
18th
and
concludes
on
august
12th.
E
E
P
E
You
councilmember
mcnamee.
Yes,
that
is
an
estimate
created
by
the
ventura
county
elections
division.
I
believe
they,
they
survey,
what
their
printing
costs
are
going
to
be
and
they
estimate
the
number
of
candidates
based
on
historical
data
and
that's
how
they
come
up
with
the
money,
and
it
is
just
a
deposit.
You
are
correct.
If
the
cost
goes
over
1400,
the
candidates
will
be
expected
to
pay
additionally,
and
that's
usually
done
in
december.
P
E
L
It
seems
to
be
the
older.
You
are
the
more
likely
you
are
to
vote,
so
young
folks
have
a
little
problem.
I'd
like
to
compliment
this
act
here
in
california
to
make
it
easier
to
get
the
ballot.
I
mention
it
because
there
are
states
in
this
country
if
you
can
believe
it
that
are
adopting
and
have
adopted
ordinances
that
make
it
harder
to
vote
by
closing
down
voting
places
by
shortening
the
hours
by
removing
drop
boxes,
and
that's
just
antithetical
to
everything.
I've
ever
tried
to
do
in
my
entire
career.
L
In
other
words,
I've
been
trying
to
get
people
to
the
polls
and
they're
trying
to
make
it
harder
in
some
places.
So
I
would
just
didn't
mean
to
make
a
speech,
but
I
would
like
to
compliment
the
state
of
california
for
making
it
easier
to
vote
because
voting
is
the
foundation
of
our
country.
If
you
interfere
with
voting,
people,
don't
realize
that
you're
tampering
with
our
very
american
political
system.
L
If
you
can't
rely
on
the
vote,
then
nothing
works.
People
have
to
recognize
that
people
go
by
the
rules.
They
have
the
qualifications
they've,
they
run
their
elections
honestly,
their
their
campaigns
I
mean
fairly
and
and
the
people
that
win
win
and
the
people
that
lose
should
not
complain.
They
ought
to
compliment
the
people
who
win
just
like
in
when
we
played
high
school
basketball
or
football
or
something-
and
I
I
believe,
thousand
or
12
thousand
oaks
is
part
of
california,
so
california
and
thousand
oaks
are
on
the
right
track
with
this.
R
Thank
you
angla
and
members
of
the
council,
I'm
here
this
evening
to
present
proposed
actions
related
to
the
current
water
shortage
conditions.
Also
with
me
this
evening
and
available
to
answer
your
questions.
Our
senior
analyst
john
brooks
public
works
director
cliff
finley
and
assistant
city
attorney,
tracy
friedl.
R
Let's
start
by
talking
about
our
water
supply,
it
begins
with
the
northern
sierra
snowpack
as
that
bank
of
stored
water
slowly
melts
it
flows
into
lake
oroville,
the
state's
state's
second
largest
reservoir
and
then
into
the
bay
delta.
From
there
it's
pumped
to
supply
the
cities
of
southern
california.
R
As
we
heard
last
month
from
dan
drogan
manager
of
resources
at
cayegas,
the
state
has
suffered
its
driest
period
on
record
and
the
driest
first
three
months
of
the
year.
This
is
the
worst
drought
in
our
history
since
we
began
receiving
water
through
the
state
water
project
in
1972.,
the
northern
sierra
snowpack
that
we
rely
on
has
been
well
below
average
for
most
of
the
past
10
years.
This
is
a
direct
result
of
climate
change.
R
As
a
result
of
the
drought,
there
are
insufficient
supplies
to
meet
the
normal
demands
of
the
metropolitan
and
cayega
service
areas.
This
year,
emergency
action
was
taken
by
metropolitan
last
month,
first
to
secure
emergency
supplies
to
meet
health
and
safety
needs
and
then
to
adopt
an
emergency
conservation
program.
R
Callegas,
followed
sweet
suit
and
adopted
the
same
restrictions
on
water
use.
As
discussed
in
the
staff
report,
there
are
two
parts
to
compliance:
one
is
to
meet
a
volumetric
limit
that
is
less
than
half
of
the
city's
current
use
and
the
other
is
through
mandating
a
limit
on
outdoor
watering
to
one
day
a
week.
R
R
R
Here
are
listed,
the
additional
restrictions
on
water
use
under
a
level
4
plan.
They
include
covering
pools
a
ban
on
emptying
and
refilling
pools
and
spas,
no
use
of
water
for
ornamental
water
features
and
no
vehicle
washing,
except
at
commercial
facilities
where
water
recycling
is
in
place.
There
are
some
allowances
for
fuel,
mod
zones
and
engineered
slopes.
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
These
are
the
steps
we
recommend
for
residents.
Starting
now,
irrigation
timers
should
be
reprogrammed
to
the
correct
day
of
the
week
and
a
plan
made
for
re-landscaping
turf
areas.
We
recommend
them
to
cease.
Watering
turf
and
property
owners
should
work
towards
transitioning
to
low
volume,
irrigation
for
garden
beds
and
trees.
R
R
R
Our
goal
is
firstly
to
raise
awareness
throughout
our
community
through
the
outreach
and
communications
methods
outlined
violators
will
receive
warnings
initially
after
the
initial
period.
Future
violations
will
result
in
a
warning
letter
with
subsequent
ones,
subject
to
escalating
fines,
as
shown
here.
R
R
P
R
P
P
Explain
that
logic
to
me.
I
don't
get
it.
Why
are
we
so
concerned
about
delta
smelt
and
steelhead
trout
spawning
abilities
when
we're
struggling
for
water
here
in
southern
california?
Why
is
that
water
not
being
diverted
south
to
the
farmers
and
to
us
here
in
thousand
oaks,
while
they're
working
through
the
eir
report?
Please
explain
this
to
me.
R
So
it's
important
to
keep
flow
in
the
bay
delta
to
resist
the
intrusion
of
seawater
when
it
comes
to
the
twin
tunnels.
I
know
that
the
original
proposal
was
for
twin
tunnels
and,
in
fact
that's
what
metropolitan
had
gone
forth
with
a
proposal
for
the
twin
tunnels
two
or
three
years
ago,
or
even
further
back
than
that,
the
move
to
the
single
tunnel,
I
believe,
was
because
of
funding.
R
So
metropolitan
and
others
were
trying
to
raise
the
funding
to
support
the
construction
of
twin
tunnels
and
all
the
agencies
were
not
on
board,
including
a
lot
of
the
farming
community
was
not
on
board
to
support
funding
or
contribute
towards
the
twin
tunnels.
So
in
the
end,
only
one
tunnel
was
approved
for
moving
forward
and
that
would
be
funded
by
metropolitan
and
other
agencies
which
are
bringing
the
water
down
to
southern
california.
P
S
So
actually,
what
you're
talking
about
is
is
generating
or
or
finding
local
supplies
to
enhance
our
our
overall
water
supply
picture.
We
are
looking
at
working
with
actually
cayegas
las
virginis
camarosa,
all
of
the
water
purveyors
here
in
the
canelo
valley
and
beyond,
actually
to
establish
the
best
and
most
cost
effective
ways
to
to
take
advantage
of
our
local
water.
S
We're
doing
a
storm
water
capture
demonstration
project
over
in
the
malibu
creek
watershed
right
now
that
water
will
be
hopefully
going
down
to
the
los
virginis
plan
and
coming
back
again
as
as
recycled
and
then
ultimately,
potable
water.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
being
done
right
now
on
a
regional
level
to
find
solutions
find
additional
sources
of
water,
and
we
continue
to
appreciate
council
support
on
those
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
be
coming.
Your
way
in
the
in
the
coming
months
and
years.
P
On
the
ants
question
of
regionals,
which
would
be
very
very
nice
to
see,
is
that
simi
valley,
for
example,
and
thousand
oaks,
can
work
cooperatively
with
callegas
to
put
a
reverse
osmosis
plant
at
callegas
and
we
simply
take
our
water
from
cme
and
thousand
oaks
and
pump
it
up
there
to
be
put
back
into
lake
bard
for
reuse.
So
I
look
forward
to
work
continued
working
with
you
on
these
answers.
P
B
Thank
you.
I
hope
we
hope
we
continue
on
that
regional
approach
to
this
problem.
Obviously
none
of
us
as
individual
cities
can
go
ahead
with
it,
but
if
we
work
as
a
group
in
this
area,
we
can
maybe
take
a
dent
out
of
our
reliance
on
the
state
water
project.
I
saw
councilmember
jones's
hand
up.
Did
you
have
a
comment,
sir?.
S
I
I
will
say
that
there
hasn't
been
any
new
dams
in
the
state
recently
and
I
think
to
build
a
dam
in
the
cesspi
wilderness
would
be
very,
very
challenging,
but
I
know
these
are
challenging
times
and
the
county
and
and
the
region
is
looking
at
every
option.
But
I
don't
have
any
specific
details
about
that.
L
B
A
Thank
you,
mayor
engler.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
was
is
in
reference
to
the
supplemental
packet,
where
we
have
two
letters
I
wanted
to
clarify.
The
letter
says:
cal
am
water
and
kel
water
are
following
the
city's
lead
in
order
to
have
consistency
among
all
water
users
in
the
city.
Is
that
factual.
R
Well,
we
have
been
meeting
and
talking
to
them
regularly.
I
believe
they
haven't
yet
final
their
regulations,
I
mean,
ideally
they
would
have
the
same
regulations.
I
believe
that
they
have
some
limitations,
because
they're
regulated
by
the
california
public
utilities
committee
and
so
their
authorization
to
pass
certain
limitations
may
be
a
little
bit
different
from
ours.
R
Broadly
speaking,
the
city's
ordinance
would
apply
to
the
city
as
a
whole,
but
generally
we
only
enforce
that
ordinance
in
our
own
agency
and
cal-am
and
cal
water
would
enforce
their
own
restrictions
in
their
service
region.
We
do
have
the
representatives
from
those
two
agencies
online
if
they
may
be
more
directly
available
to
answer
your
question.
R
Correct,
correct
and
and
those
two
agencies
also
will
limit
watering
to
one
day
a
week.
So
as
far
as
following
the
cayegas
and
mwd
requirements,
they
will
be
doing
that.
There
may
be
some
slight
nuanced
differences
in
exactly
how
that's
carried
out,
but
but
all
three
agencies
will
be
limiting
watering
to
one
day
a
week
and
in
fact
we're
limiting
it
to
the
same
days
and
the
same
times.
R
R
Certainly
if
we
get
towards
the
end
of
july-
and
we
do
hear
from
our
residents-
and
we
do
find
out
that
you
know
there
are
limited
supplies
of
what's
required.
Then
we
would
bring
that
item
to
council
or
given
the
summer
re
recess,
we
would
probably
request
an
advanced
authorization
that
the
city
manager
have
that
permission.
Should
such
a
situation
evolve.
A
R
R
In
fact,
we've
seen
some
of
the
estimates
for
expected
water
use
for
new
developments
and
it's
less
than
half
of
what
the
current
average
residential
use
is
and
very
much
in
line
with
what
the
the
mandates
these
this
limit
of
80
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
is
that's
being
placed
on
us.
So
we
expect
new
developments
to
be
very
close
to
that,
and
so
their
impact
on
water
use
will
be
very
minimal
compared
to
the
existing
single-family
developments.
A
J
Thank
you
mayor.
Well,
you
know,
drought
or
not,
people
still
need
a
place
to
live
and
no
one's
suggesting
that
we
continue
with
suburban
sprawl
out
into
the
open
space,
with
big
lots
and
big
homes.
You
know
we're
talking
about
apartment
complexes
that
will
use,
I'm
sure,
probably
less
than
the.
What
is
the
tier
one,
dr
cox,
eight
one
hcf
or
something.
J
I
mean
we've
talked
for
some
time
now
about
tapping
into
the
ground
water,
which
we
are
doing,
especially
over
the
golf
course,
and
we
thought
at
first
we
had
to
build
a
plant
to
purify
it,
but
now,
with
this
regional
approach,
we're
going
to
run
it
through
las
vergenos
district
and
then
pump
it
back
to
the
city
correct
and
then
based
on
the
priorities
that
we
talked
about
last
week.
This
is
a
priority
and
we're
going
to
try
to
expedite
this
process.
Correct.
C
J
Good
regional
approach
cost
effective
and
it
could
supply
close
to
10
of
our
water
needs.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that's
on
the
fast
track,
and
then
dr
cox,
you
mentioned.
If
I
heard
you
right
that
when
we
go
down
to
one
day
watering
a
week,
those
with
the
drip
system,
there's
no
limit
on
time
on
how
much
they
can
run
that
on
that
one
day
is
it?
Did
I
hear
you
right
on
that.
R
J
J
Good
and
you
know,
I
applaud
the
staff
for
coming
up
with
this
60-day
transition.
You
know
the
sprinklers
and
the
sprays
they
just
got
to
go,
but
all
homeowners
need
a
little
bit
of
time
to
make
that
transition.
You
know
it's
there's
if
there's
time
involved,
there's
cost
involved,
but
I
think
most
people
are
willing
to
do
it,
but
that
60-day
grace
period,
I
think,
is
going
to
really
help
so
go.
N
Yeah,
just
based
on
those
comments
from
councilmember
adam,
it
reminded
me
of
of
something
and
just
on
the
everybody's
seen
our
front
lawn.
You
saw
it
in
the
pictures
there
and
you
know
that
is
probably
the
most
illustrative
example
of
of
what
how
quickly
that
turned
when
those
when
those
sprinklers
turned
off
there,
that
just
to
give
the
council
and
the
community
a
sense
of
scale.
On
that,
that's
roughly
speaking,
we
estimate
around
200
units
a
month
in
savings
200..
N
So
you
do
that
estimate
of
the
average
house
holding
the
internal
component
in
that
tier
one.
You
think
about
that's
what
we
were
spent
just
on
the
front
lawn
out
front.
You
can
kind
of
look
around
town
and
you
think
about
those
examples,
and
it's
just
you
know
it's.
You
know
it's
impactful
when
you
see
it,
but
when
you
start
to
add
those
numbers,
200
200,
200
and
start
to
see
what
what
that
takes.
B
R
Well,
we
expect
to
get
the
feedback
from
callegos.
I
mean
it's
important
that
we're
going
to
be
working
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
the
watering
restrictions
are
enforced
in
terms
of
the
watering
days
and
the
time
that
people
can
water,
because
we
do
need
to
show
good
progress
towards
those.
If
there
isn't
good
progress.
You
know
the
city
is
at
risk
of
the
fines
that
are
being
that
could
potentially
be
enacted
by
cayegas,
which
are
very
sizable.
B
R
That's
correct
and
in
fact
those
the
the
limitations
are
being
actually
handed
down
from
the
california
department
of
water
resources,
because
they
are
the
operator
of
the
state
water
project
and
in
order
for
metropolitan
to
be
provided
with
the
supplies
that
they
are
then
passing
on
to
us.
Those
restrictions
are
put
in
place
by
the
state.
R
B
H
S
B
Low
flow
only
thank
you
for
the
clarification
we
want
everybody
to
start
conserving
as
much
as
possible,
but
that
conversion
to
a
low
flow
is
60
days
gotcha.
Thank
you.
A
couple
of
just
small
small
ones
actually
have
to
go
to
four.
If
that's,
okay,
with
the
it's
you
mentioned,
permitted
watering
is
that,
can
you
explain
what
permitted
watering
is
that
you
that
you
could
go
one
day
a
week
and
there's
also
permitted
watering
that
you
had
mentioned
on
your
slide.
R
R
B
R
Yes,
artificial
turf
is
not
a
very
sustainable
alternative
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
One
is
that
it
gets
very
hot
in
summer,
in
fact,
so
hot
that
you
and
possibly
even
your
pets,
can't
walk
on
it.
So
in
general,
people
have
to
water
their
artificial
turf
to
keep
it
usable.
So
that's
that's
a
major
reason
reason.
It
also
contributes
to
the
urban
heat
island
effect
because
of
that
there
are
various
other
problems.
R
If
you
wanted
to
use
it
as
a
doggy
area,
you
would
also
have
to
water
it
down
to
clear
it
off
to
ensure
that
it
didn't
get
rather
odorous
over
time
and
also
then
the
artificial
turf
can
be
quite
expensive
and
lasts,
probably
about
10
years,
after
which
time
it
has
to
be
disposed
of,
and
in
and
of
itself
that's
a
big
contributor
to
to
landfill.
So
we
wouldn't
recommend
that
as
a
very
sustainable
alternative,
mr
finley
has
something
to.
S
P
Thank
you
mayor.
I
too
has
received
questions
from
our
residents
saying.
Why
are
we
putting
in
additional
housing
when
we
don't
have
adequate
water
for
what
we
currently
have-
and
I
say
it's
similar
to
the
following-
is
that
if
you
have
a
ship
that
is
sinking
because
it
has
holes
in
the
in
the
hull?
P
P
S
I
I
just
wanted
to
just
wanted
to
say
that
another
thing
we're
doing
on
the
local
level
is
where,
where
we've
been
not
successful
at
building
very
many
reservoirs
lately
above
ground,
they
are
looking
at
opportunities
to
take
advantage
of
aquifer
storage.
Actually,
I
visited
a
site
out
in
outside
of
palmdale
last
week.
That
is
exactly
that.
They
have
it's
essentially
an
underground
reservoir,
but
again
how
we
get
the
water
down
here
without
our
without
those
tunnels.
It's
you
know
it's
a
multi-faceted
solution,
so
we
need.
P
P
R
R
It's
expensive,
the
cayegas
estimated
that
it
would
cost
more
than
twice
as
much
per
unit
of
water,
and
so
the
first
question
is:
are
people
willing
to
pay
that
much
for
their
water
and
the
other
question
is
you
know
there
are
various
challenges
with
siting
those
desalinization
plants,
as
was
demonstrated
recently
in
in
huntington
beach,
so
between
the
siding
and
the
cost
there?
There
are
none
in
the
plans
for
our
region
right
at
the
moment.
As
far
as
I'm
aware.
S
S
Obviously
we
want
to
exhaust
all
less
expensive
and
maybe
reuse
opportunities
that
we
have
that's.
Why
there's
more
of
a
focus
on
simi
valley
has
a
significant
amount
of
very
salty
water,
so
that's
actually
less
salty
than
the
ocean.
So
that's
where
the
the
cost
comes
in.
So
it's
it's
on
the
list.
There's
lots
of
lots
of
projects
on
the
list,
they're
all
expensive
and
they
all
will
take
a
regional
cooperation,
which
is
what
we're
focusing
on.
S
Yeah
and
it's
very
energy-intensive-
and
you
know
santa
barbara
in
the
late
80s
built
their
desal
plant
and
they
used
it
for
a
few
years
and
as
soon
as
they
found
a
less
expensive
water.
They
mothballed
it
for
20
years
25
years
and
I
think
they've
recently
dusted
it
off
and
are
trying
to
get
it
going
again.
But
it
was
a
tremendous
capital
expense
that
that
had
to
be
paid
for
by
the
ratepayers.
So.
B
A
S
Actually,
at
this
point,
we
are
in
the
next
several
meetings
bringing
an
mou
forward.
It's
not
going
to
cost
us
anything.
Ultimately,
we
are.
We
are
looking
to
be
partners
in
getting
grants.
Regional
projects
are
much
more
attractive
for
grants
and
at
the
time
that
their
plant
gets
built.
What,
essentially,
we
would
do
is
pay
the
cost
that
is
cost
them
to
treat
it
to
treat
our
water.
So.
S
A
S
S
B
S
R
J
S
S
J
J
P
Council,
member
adam,
the
analysis
I
did
two
years
ago
came
out
just
to
pipe
it
up
was
about
45
million
and
the
d
cell
plant,
or
the
reverse
osmosis
was
about
30.
35
million
is
what
we
were
coming
up
with,
with
knotter's
analysis
coming
up
at
about
75-80
million
dollars
for
the
total
package
of
the
piping
with
the
desal
plant.
So
if
that
gives
you
some
hard
numbers,
but
that
was
again
three
years
ago
before,
where
we
are
right
now,
yeah.
B
J
L
B
Now,
that's
it's
all
these.
All
these
solutions
again
are
long-term
solutions
for
us
to
do
a
pipeline
from
hill
canyon.
Even
up
to
bard
lake
is
what
six
miles
that's
a
lot
of
pipe,
so
we're
thought
these
are
long-term
solutions
that
I'm
fully
on
board
with.
If
we
want
to
go
and
do
that,
but
right
now
what
we
have
is
an
immediate
issue
that
we're
not
going
to
get
half
the
water
that
we
were
told.
We
were
going
to
get
so
with
that.
Well,.
B
B
O
Hello,
my
name
is
clint
fultz,
I'm
from
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
canado
climate
coalition.
We
at
the
canadian
climate
coalition
would
like
to
see
the
city
adopt
the
resolution
declaring
a
level
4
water
supply
shortage.
We
applaud
the
efforts
of
the
city
to
help
reduce
water
usage
during
this
unprecedented
drought.
O
According
to
a
recent
study
published
in
the
scientific
journal,
nature
titled,
rapid
intensification
of
emerging
southwestern
north
american
mega
drought
in
2020
to
2021
the
ongoing
drought
appears
to
be
the
worst
in
1200
years.
This
current
mega
drought
stands
out
in
the
record
as
the
worst
or
driest
in
more
than
a
millennium,
exceeding
those
that
have
occurred
in
the
year
800
and
another
in
the
1500s
park
williams,
a
climate
scientist
at
ucla
and
the
study's
lead
author
said
this
quote.
Without
climate
change.
O
This
would
not
be
even
close
to
as
bad
as
one
of
those
historical
mega.
Droughts.
End
quote.
The
double
whammy
of
searing
heat
and
persistent
drought
in
recent
years
reflects
the
steady
increase
in
global
temperatures
brought
on
by
the
burning
of
fossil
fuels.
The
authors
attribute
19
percent
of
the
severe
2021
drought
and
42
percent
of
the
extended
drought
to
human
claw
caused
climate
change.
The
city
of
thousand
oaks
can
make
a
difference
by
rapidly
advancing
and
proving
a
climate
action
plan
that
addresses
heat
trapping
greenhouse
gases.
O
Now
is
the
time
for
the
city
to
be
an
environmental
leader
on
topics
such
as
climate
change,
adaptation,
water
conservation
and
greenhouse
gas
production.
We
are
in
a
climate
emergency
and
a
water
emergency,
and
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
drought
conditions.
To
get
worse,
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
a
much
drier
future
to
stop
eridification
in
the
canal
valley.
We
must
wean
ourselves
from
fossil
fuels
and
address
the
accelerating
drought
conditions.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Q
Q
I've
been
doing
this
for
33
years
and
we
start
talking
about
planning
and
then,
when
it
rains
it
goes
away.
So
I
would
employ
everybody
and
anybody
at
sacramento,
when
we
do
get
rain,
don't
be
fooled.
We
live
in
a
desert,
we
have
codes
seismic
codes
up
the
gazoo
because
we
know
we're
going
to
have
an
earthquake.
We
don't
know
when,
but
we're
going
to
have
it.
I
don't
know.
If
this
is
a
news
flash
to
sacramento,
we
live
in
a
desert,
we
know
we're
going
to
have
droughts.
Q
How
they
have
not
planned
for
this
is
is
really
appalling.
It
puts
us
all
in
this
position.
That
being
said,
swimming
pools
do
not
waste
water.
Our
industry,
people
can
give
you
stacks
and
stacks
and
stacks.
We
do
in
fact
build
retention
basins,
they
become
a
swimming
pool,
becomes
more
than
what
people
think
is
a
luxury
item.
They
also
become
emergency
drinking
water.
When
there's
the
earthquake,
if
your
water
is
maintained
properly-
or
at
least
you
can
bathe,
flush,
toilets
boil
the
water
also,
when
everything
does
dry
out
we're
going
to
have
fires.
Q
That's
an
emergency
firefighting
apparatus.
Also,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
swimming
pools
are
that
they
don't
get
credit
for
they're,
not
the
water
wasters.
It
is
the
ornamental
landscaping
and,
like
we
told
simi
valley,
or
I
told
simi
valley,
I
would
love
to
see
a
city
take
a
sampling
of
maybe
20
homes
and
do
a
pressure
test
on
all
20
homes.
I
guarantee
you
80
percent
of
them
fail.
Q
There's
under
slab
leaks,
there's
so
much
water
waste
that
we're
all
here,
because
our
industry
is
just
kind
of
taking
it
in
the
chops,
because
everybody
thinks
oh
swimming
pool's,
a
luxury
item
they're,
not
they're
necessary.
I
mean
they
had
property
values,
they
had
taxations,
they
had
permitting
fees
and
someday.
If
somebody
says
you
can't
have
swimming
pools
in
our
city,
the
person
who's
going
to
buy
a
home
in
that
city
is
now
going
nope,
I'm
going
to
sim
valley
or
I'm
going
to
calabath
or
wherever
they're
going
to
be
allowed.
Q
M
Good
evening
my
name
is
paul
celopolis,
I'm
with
allstate
pools
and
spas,
based
here
in
thousand
oaks.
California-
and
I'm
here
tonight,
to
address
the
subject
of
swimming
pool
construction,
the
possible
impact
on
our
industry
due
to
the
drought
we
are
facing,
and
the
possible
discussions
by
the
council
impacting
our
industry.
M
It's
worth
noting
that
senator
brian
dawley
from
northern
california
has
a
comprehensive
explanation
on
his
website
as
to
why
we
in
southern
california
and
the
state
as
a
whole,
find
ourselves
in
this
predicament.
Like
most
issues
we
are
facing,
it
was
avoidable
and
due
to
poor
leadership
in
sacramento
and
in
action,
one
fact
that
stands
out
is
that
literally
trillions
of
gallons
of
water
have
run
into
the
pacific
ocean
over
the
last
two
years.
Once
again,
now
the
citizens,
businesses
and
industries
are
being
asked
to
make
a
sacrifice
when
they
have
no
liability.
M
Please
take
a
moment
to
go
to
his
website
to
further
understand
the
details
about
that
in
lieu
of
any
restrictions
affecting
swimming
pools.
I
would
suggest
that
the
council,
instead
consider
requiring
requiring
that
new
pools
be
provided
with
a
quality
bubble,
cover
solar
cover,
which
will
reduce
evaporation
and
actually
reduces
the
water
usage
of
a
pool
to
less
than
the
footprint
of
an
equal-sized
piece
of
grass.
The
city
of
la
and
city
of
simi
valley
has
this
requirement,
and
it's
quite
effective.
M
M
M
In
preparing
for
this
meeting,
I
found
that
in
2018,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
published
a
wasp,
a
water
master
plan,
it's
238
pages
long,
and
it
makes
no
mention
that
I
read
of
evaluating
the
230
miles
of
municipal
water
supply
lines,
ranging
in
thickness
from
3
inches
to
24
inches
and
ranging
in
age
from
1
to
64
years
old,
most
of
which
are
constructed
of
asbestos
cement.
As
noted
on
page
or
section
217,
this
type
of
pipe
is
soft
and
brittle
more
subjective
to
leaking
and
has
a
limited
lifespan
of
up
to
60
years.
M
This
means
two-thirds
of
the
city's
water
supply
lines
are
at
the
end
of
their
life.
I
propose
that
the
city
council
considered
consider
directing
the
public
works
to
begin
evaluating
the
condition
of
all
water
pipes
for
leakage
as
part
of
the
water
conservation
efforts.
I'm
confident
there
are
other
alternative
solutions
for
the
city
to
meet
their
water
restriction
goals.
Besides
targeting
the
water,
I
should
say
the
swimming
pool
industry.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
C
C
We
build
about
15,
pools
and
landscapes
per
year
here
in
thousand
oaks
and
joined
here
today
by
a
dozen
of
my
local
pool
builders,
we're
all
concerned,
because
we've
heard
some
rumors
about
there
being
restrictions
on
swimming
pool,
construction
and
new
pools,
and
I'm
here
today,
because
I'd
like
to
dispel
some
of
the
misconceptions
that
we
have
on
swimming
pools.
First
off
pools
are
not
water.
Wasters
swimming
pools
actually
work
as
rain
retention
vessels
a
first
flush
of
rain.
C
The
first
four
inches
of
water
can
be
captured
in
a
swimming
pool
compared
with
lawns
pools,
save
about
12,
000
gallons
of
water
in
the
first
year
and
30,
000
gallons
of
water
each
year.
Thereafter,
the
pool
and
spa
community,
the
construction
industry
of
pools
and
spas
is
really
important.
California's
economy
we
actually
have
95
000
jobs
that
were
created
in
2020
and
5
billion
dollars
in
revenue.
C
The
new
pools
and
spas
that
were
filled
in
the
last
year
accounted
for
less
than
one
percent
of
most
municipalities.
Water
use
very
little
thousand
oaks,
actually
lessened
water
consumption
by
increasing
the
quantity
of
swimming
pools
that
were
constructed
annually
here
in
thousand
oaks,
we
built
77
pools
in
2019.
C
That's
a
total
permits,
122
in
2020
178
pools
last
year
in
2021.,
each
of
those
pools
reduced
about
1200
square
feet
of
irrigated
area,
so
you
have
the
swimming
pool
and
the
surrounding
deck
area,
and
these
areas
were
irrigated
before
his
lawns
or
landscapes
and
they're
now
decking
and
pools.
Now
a
covered
pool
uses
90
percent
less
water
than
a
lawn
does.
So
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
use
these
pool
covers.
I
know
in
all
of
our
pools
every
single
one.
C
We
provide
a
bubble
cover
to
reduce
evaporation,
and
you
want
to
encourage
homeowners
to
use
that,
rather
than
put
any
thought
of
stopping
new
pool
construction
with
regards
to
new
pool
construction
in
a
new
pool,
it
takes
four
to
six
months
to
build
one,
the
amount
of
water
you
save
by
not
watering
it
during
that
time
is
enough.
Water
to
fill
the
pool
so
net
zero
right.
C
I,
in
addition
to
pool
covers,
we
do
have
an
ansi
standard
that
talks
about
checking,
pools
for
leaks
regularly
and
turning
off
your
autofill,
so
that
you're
hand
watering
to
add
water
to
a
pool
to
compensate
for
any
evaporation
so
that
you're
comfortable,
knowing
how
much
water
you're
actually
using
we'd.
Just
like
your
help
to
help
save
the
pool
industry.
Thank
you.
C
C
Love
this
water
conversation.
We
all
have
people
to
thank
tonight,
that's
william
mulholland
and
fred
eaton
and
they
brought
water
to
southern
california
through
the
los
angeles
aqueduct
and
we
haven't
shifted
with
the
times
and
with
the
drought
to
add
more
water
systems
since
the
state
water
project.
C
C
The
purpose
of
these
bike
rides
is
to
educate
residents
about
where
their
water
originates,
which
most
people
don't
know.
They
don't
know
where
their
water
comes
from,
and
that's
the
first
step
to
conservation
and
getting
people
educated
on
why
this
is
super
important,
and
so
I
wanted
to
come
here
and
share
that
I'm
going
to
I'm
a
media
creator
and
I'm
making
a
eight-part
youtube
series
about
my
time,
actualizing
this
journey
that
our
water
takes
to
get
to
our
taps,
and
I
think
this
sort
of
thing
needs
to
be
done.
C
Water
conservation
is
hard
to
make
palatable,
and
I
think,
through
stories
and
through
storytelling,
is
really
where
people
start
to
listen
and
I'd
also
like
to
make
a
little
comment.
The
lost
virginist
reservoir,
I
believe,
is
a
part
of
the
lost
virginist
project,
but
that
was
a
really
great
damn
site.
They
actually
wanted
to
make
the
dam
twice
as
or
half
as
low
make
it
go
into
both
wings
of
the
neighborhood,
but
the
developer
wanted
to
make
three
springs
and
that
reservoir
helped
us
during
the
94
earthquake.
C
B
B
You're
good,
we
can
hear
you
good.
Thank
you,
council
members.
My
name
is
john
norwood
with
the
california
pool
and
spa
association.
I'll
be
really
brief.
Just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
do
support
your
level
for
using
or
encouraging
residents
to
use
covers
when
the
pool's
not
in
use,
as
was
indicated.
B
For
chemical
reasons,
or
otherwise,
there's
options
to
that
you
can
use
reverse
osmosis
to
do
that
job,
so
you
don't
have
to
empty
the
pool.
Lastly,
our
association
puts
out
a
list
of
water
saving
tips
for
owners
of
pools
and
owners
of
spas
that
will
help
them
deal
with
their
own
pool
and
spawn
save
water
and
would
be
happy
to
make
that
available
to
you
so
that
you
can
distribute
it
through
a
newsletter
or
otherwise.
R
But
we
also
do
mandate,
pool
coverage
and
so
without
a
pool
being
covered,
it
loses
about
as
much
water
as
a
watering
turf
essentially
loses
about
as
much
water
from
evaporation
as
you
would
use
to
water
turf,
and
so,
given
that
we've
already
identified
turf
as
a
big
water,
waster
or
user
pools
can
also
be,
but
not
if
they're
covered.
So
it's
really
really
important
that
people
do
cover
their
pools.
You
can
cover
it
very
cheaply
with
the
bubble
material
that
can
be
cut.
R
Custom
cut
with
a
pair
of
scissors
to
fit
the
pool
exactly
those
are
inexpensive
and
also
by
using
such
a
cover.
You
can
save
a
lot
of
money
on
heating
costs
because
it
will
keep
the
heat
in
the
pool
and
therefore
you'll
save
on
energy
costs
too.
So
I
think
that's
the
important
message
to
get
across
is
we
do
want
residents
to
be
covering
that
pools.
S
Yeah,
I
also
want
to
address
the
maintenance
of
our
our
water
system.
We,
actually,
we
are
actually
report
to
the
state
how
much
water
is
unaccounted
for.
In
other
words,
we
buy
all
of
our
water
from
kyagus,
and
then
we
meter
all
the
water
we
sell.
So
actually,
the
city
has
extremely
low,
unaccounted
for
water,
less
than
three
three
and
a
half
percent,
and
and
that
water
goes
for
things
like
flushing,
which
we
actually
flush
into
out
of.
S
Firefighting
is
another
thing
that
is
used
for
that
on
accounted
for
water.
So
really
we
we
do.
We
do
quite
well
at
that.
We
also
have
a
including
our
capital
budget,
is
ongoing
replacement
of
pipes
and
leak
detection,
and
we
take
all
that
extremely
serious,
so
we're
confident
that
we
are
taking
care
of
our
infrastructure.
B
S
N
We
council,
member
jones,
we
we
actually
were
alerted
to
that
situation,
because
we
monitor
construction
meters
right.
We
found
a
situation
in
which
more
water
was
being
pumped
out
of
that
construction
meter
than
we
thought
should
have,
and
so
we,
it
was
actually
an
example
of
how
we
monitor
those
situations.
S
S
Yes,
I
I
believe
so
and-
and
it
was
resolved-
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how,
but
we
will.
We
are
increasing
enforcement.
Obviously
we
have
lots
of
lots
of
additional
enforcement
we're
doing
and
mayor
pro
tem
jones.
We
will.
We
will
definitely
add
that
to
our
list
of
things
to
make
sure
we're
covered
well.
B
P
You
to
the
gentleman
asking
about
the
quality
of
the
pipes
and
how
much
leakage
it's
a
reasonable
concern.
One
of
the
techniques
is
simply
looking
at
how
much
water
is
released.
A
thousand
oaks
from
our
water
supplier-
that's
callegas,
and
you
add
up
all
the
consumption
at
the
households
and
industry
and
the
difference
would
be
water
loss
to
possibly
leaking
pipes.
P
So
it's
maybe
perhaps
mr
findlay
and
notter
that
we
look
at
that
a
little
bit
to
see
if
we
want
to
incorporate
that,
if
we
don't
have
leakage
happening,
it's
not
worth
doing,
but
on
the
other
hand
it
may
be
worth
because,
yes,
the
life
expectancy
of
our
pipes
that
are
over
60
may
be
at
issue,
and
you
always
do
a
very
good
job
of
maintaining
the
quality
of
our
systems.
And
that's
why
we
don't
have
huge
disasters
happening
here,
and
I
thank
you
for
that.
Proactive
approach.
P
Also
I'm
rated
as
a
t2
operator
and
a
d2
distribution
operator
there
with
the
state
of
california.
So
I
know
a
little
bit
about
water
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy.
If
you
want
me
to
lean
in
and
lend
my
expertise
on
that
panel
and
the
committee
to
help
look
for
regional
solutions,
I've
been
looking
at
it
for
about
the
last
four
or
five
years
long
before
I
was
on
council,
because
I
knew
this
was
going
to
happen
at
some
point
kind
of
prepared
for
it
to
this
day.
B
R
B
J
B
A
Thank
you,
mayor
engler.
Yes,
certainly,
I
will
support
the
motion
and
again
this
is
primarily
really
to
reduce
out
water
out
water
outside
or
outdoor
water
use,
and-
and
that
is
where
all
of
our
water
is
being
wasted,
and
I
hope
that
those
that
are
using
water
excessively
will
be
held
accountable,
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
that
is
what
costs
the
most
and
weighs
the
most
and
apartments
are
the
most
efficient
units
regarding
water.
A
M
M
M
B
A
E
K
K
This
request
is
based
on
the
thousand
oaks
municipal
code,
section
9-4
0.2902,
a
proposed
municipal
code.
Amendment
may
be
initiated
by
the
city
council
this
evening
that
would
direct
planning
commission
to
hold
a
hearing
and
make
a
recommendation
back
to
the
city
council,
where
at
the
city,
council,
would
take
final
action
on
that
amendment.
K
K
Some
of
that
criteria
includes
location.
The
project
must
be
within
a
single
family
residential
zone.
It
must
not
be
within
a
historic
zone
and
must
not
be
within
a
sensitive
area,
and
sensitive
areas
include
such
areas
as
earthquake
fault
zones,
land
subject
to
conservation,
easements,
flood
plains
and
high
fire
hazard
severity
zones.
K
With
regard
to
high
fire
hazard
severity
zones,
there
are
exceptions,
so
it
doesn't
apply
to
all
of
them.
One
of
the
exceptions
is
if
there
has
been
adopted,
a
fire
hazard
mitigation
measure
pursuant
to
an
existing
building
standard
or
state
fire
mitigation
measure
applicable
to
the
development.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
concern
with
regard
to
the
high
fire
areas
and
whether
or
not
you
can
have
an
sb9
project
there
in.
In
addition,
it
can't
be
within
existing
housing
areas.
K
K
K
Alright,
so
with
regard
to
the
approval
process,
an
sb9
project
shall
be
ministerially
approved
unless
the
building
official
can
determine
in
writing,
based
on
the
preponderance
of
evidence
that
the
project
would
have
a
specific
adverse
impact
upon
public
health
and
safety
or
the
physical
environment.
That
can't
be
mitigated.
So
that's
a
very
high
standard.
K
K
K
H
Thank
you
noel,
and,
to
give
a
little
bit
more,
I
guess
context
for
the
process
here
is
very
similar
to
the
way
the
adu.
The
state
edu
law
was
implemented
in
the
city.
So,
while
the
state
law
limits
the
city's
ability
to
regulate
in
certain
ways
that
we
just
discussed,
the
city
may
implement
objective
standards
to
control
many
other
aspects
of
the
review
process
and
the
design
of
a
project,
for
example,
in
projects
that
propose
a
lot
split.
H
H
Thank
you
for
two
unit
developments,
state
law,
states,
specific
requirements,
but
again
also
gives
cities
the
flexibility
to
create
these
objective
standards
that
would
guide
development
on
eligible
properties.
As
long
as
again,
they
don't
preclude
the
development
of
two
800
square
foot
units
on
each
lot,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
the
objective
standards
recently
adopted
by
city
council
would
apply
to
these
projects.
So,
in
addition
to
those
supplementary
or
different,
objective
standards
and
requirements
can
be
incorporated
into
the
ordinance
to
be
adopted.
H
These
could
include
specifications
for
things
like
height
and
number
of
stories.
The
amount
of
demolition
allowed
for
certain
units
setbacks,
including
those
permitted
for
front
yards
second
stories
and
landlocked
parcels
parking
standards
could
also
be
adopted.
Only
one
space
per
unit
can
be
required.
However,
those
spaces
could
be
required
to
be
enclosed
in
an
individual
or
shared
garage,
shared
tandem
spaces
as
well,
and
then
there
are
other
design
standards
to
consider
that
may
build
on
what
is
already
required
for
those
objective
standards
recently
adopted,
such
as
directing
placement
of
second
story
windows,
open
space
requirements.
H
H
Some
of
these
standards
can
also
be
tied
to
incentives,
for
example,
where
the
city
would
like
to
encourage
a
certain
type
or
style
of
development.
For
instance,
the
conversion
of
existing
structures
or
the
enclosure
of
parking
desirable
allowances
could
be
made,
such
as
a
larger
unit,
size
or
discounted
basement
square
footage
or
greater
height.
H
C
P
So
what
I'm
understanding
is
that
in
a
single
family
resident
neighborhood,
what
the
state
is
saying
that
they
can
do
is
come
into
our
city
and
take
one
of
those
lots
and
make
it
into
instead
of
a
single
family
home,
it
could
now
become
two
homes.
Is
that
what
you
mean
by
dual
lots?
I'm
not
clear
what
you
mean
by
that.
P
K
P
Okay
and
again,
this
is
another
example
where
I
look
at
a
housing
shortage.
We
have
here
in
california,
but
sacramento's
answer
is
to
impose
their
will
upon
the
cities,
to
change
their
look
and
feel,
and
when
I'm
now
coming
up
to
speed
reading
about
sequa
our
environmental
impact
report
that
needs
to
be
done
on
our
neighborhoods
or
any
construction
developments.
Apartment
buildings,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
is
sequa.
The
environmental
impact
report,
part
of
sb9,
is
that
going
to
be
required
in
this
neighborhood
type
environment.
P
Okay,
and
is
there
any
explanation
why
a
house
or
an
apartment
or
duplex
fourplex
outside
of
this
of
sb9,
is
required
perhaps
to
do
an
environmental
impact
report,
but
this
decision
out
of
sacramento
sb9
is
exempt.
It
doesn't
make
sense.
Why
is
one
different
than
the
other
if
sequa
is
not
that
important
environmental
impact
reports?
Aren't
that
important,
then?
Why
are
we
imposing
that
upon
other
construction
that
is
outside
of
sb9.
Q
Me
certainly
your
point
about
sacramento.
Making
a
decision
for
sb9
to
exempt
it
from
a
sql
review
is
accurate.
That's
exactly
what
they
did
if
they
do
that
in
certain
circumstances,
sometimes
they
do
it
with
a
large
construction
of
a
sports
facility,
for
example,
or
something
of
that
nature.
But
when
you
look
at
sql
for
infill
production,
sequa
has
various
exemptions.
So
there
is
a
environmental
analysis
done
on
many
of
these
types
of
constructions,
whether
it's
a
single
family
unit
or
a
larger.
Q
B
B
My
question,
I
think,
is:
is
this
a
problem,
or
is
this
an
opportunity
in
some
ways,
for
people
to
as
a
city-wide
that
this
is
available?
Are
there
certain
areas
of
the
city
that
will
be
unavailable
for
this
type
of
thing,
for
fire
reasons
or
for
other
other
purposes?
The
lot
isn't
big
enough.
What
percentage
of
the
city
have
you
looked
at
at
all
that
would
be
subject
to
this
new
sb9.
B
K
B
H
That's
correct:
I
want
to
clarify
as
well
that
these
are
only
allowed
in
single-family
residential
zones,
so
that
is
a
those
are
specific
areas
within
the
city
as
well,
and
and
given
the
layout
and
restrictions
and
characteristics
of
many
lots.
The
ability
to
build
these
types
of
lots
and
to
provide
access-
and
things
like
that
is,
is
naturally
limiting
to
many
properties.
B
Q
Q
What
they
are
providing
us
is
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
adopt
standards
and
regulations
that
would
allow
us,
since
we
adopt
them,
and
we
have
them,
and
we
can
use
those
those
objective
standards
to
evaluate
a
little
bit
more
than
than
what
the
state
allows.
If
we
don't
have
them,
then
the
state's
gonna
you
gotta,
follow
the
state
requirements.
So,
no
matter
what
we're
gonna
have
these
applications
and
if
we
don't
have
regulations
in
our
code
that
we've
adopted
we're
stuck
with
following
the
broader
state
requirements.
B
No,
I
I
appreciate
that,
that's
why
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
look
at
these
different
options
that
we
might
have
to
better
regulate
where
these
units
might
go.
In
the
same
way,
we
went
through
gosh
a
two
year.
Two
two-year
process
just
recently
on
our
land
use
element
that
we're
going
to
use
for
our
general
plan.
That's
a
two-year
process.
B
I
hope
that
we
have
that
type
of
process,
not
a
two-year
process,
but
that
type
of
approach
that
will
help
us
place
these
units
where
it
was
most
advantageous.
I
have
two
other
questions.
If
you
don't
mind
ed,
then
I'll
get
right
to
you.
You
mentioned
that
the
builder
of
these
units,
the
needs
to
be
a
owner
occupier
for
three
years
and
they
sign
an
affidavit.
K
B
That
that's
my
one
of
my
concerns
is
the
enforcement
of
that
you
could
have
a
copyright,
for
instance,
and
by
the
time
you
get,
enforcement
on
a
copyright,
you've
lost
copyright.
So
that's
that's
a
concern
of
mine
down
the
road
and
I
hope
that
we
as
we
go
through
this.
We
look
at
good
ways
to
enforce
things
and
then
my
final
question
is:
I
understand
that
within
transit
locations,
there's
going
to
be
no
requirement
for
off
street
parking.
L
L
You
know
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
would
find
that
you're
thought
you're
in
a
nice
neighborhood
and
all
of
a
sudden
you're
living
next
to
four
small
houses
on
what
you
thought
was
a
single-family
lot.
I
I
I
think
they
were.
You
know,
had
good
intentions,
I
I
I
don't
fault
them
for
trying
to
have
affordable
housing,
but
I
don't
think
this
is
the
way
to
do
it.
B
L
L
Q
Yes,
go
ahead,
please,
okay
and
and
councilman
jones.
I
certainly
appreciate
your
comments.
I
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
for
all
of
you
tonight
that
sp9
is
the
law
we.
We
are
we're
being
responsive
to
the
opportunity
tonight
to
initiate
a
code
amendment
to
evaluate
if
the
city
can
take
actions
and
take
steps,
regulations
and
standards
that
you
would
adopt
to
lessen
the
impact
that
might
happen
under
sb9.
So
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear.
The
sp9
is
is
currently
the
law.
Q
J
Yeah
well,
unfortunately,
there's
no
point
litigating
sb9,
as
patrick
said,
it's
the
law
of
the
land.
The
democrats
pushed
it
through
newsome
signed.
It
came
into
law
january
1st
2022,
and
this
is
what
we're
faced
with
and
it
is
far-reaching.
It's
going
to
affect.
I
mean
75
percent
of
single-family
homes
are
zoned
in
the
state
of
california
75,
it's
a
huge
number
and
yeah.
J
It's
controversial.
50
of
the
california
cities
oppose
the
law.
You
know
it
it
it
it's
it's,
including
thousand
arks.
You
bring
up
a
good
point.
Claudia
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
sent
an
opposition
letter
to
the
state.
In
fact,
southern
california
association
of
governments,
which
I
just
came
from
also
opposed
this
law.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
it
is
the
law.
J
There
was
a
initiative
that
actually
failed
to
make
make
the
ballot,
because
there
weren't
enough
signatures
the
what
was
it
called
the
friendly
neighborhood
initiative
or
something
to
try
to
get
on
the
ballot
in
2022
failed.
Couldn't
do
it.
So
what
we're
faced
with
tonight
is
accepting
the
fact
that
this
is
the
law
and
how
can
we
best
set
up
objective
standards
to
make
sure
if
this
comes
to
fruition,
our
city,
it's
in
the
best
possible
quality
and
I'll
tell
you
it
probably
is
going
to
happen.
I
was
looking
on
the
internet
today.
J
There's
a
couple
of
companies
already
out
there
homestead
san
diego
casitas.
We
are
ready
to
finance
your
sb9
projects,
maximize
your
property
financial
potential,
free
consultation,
so
right
away
free
enterprise,
capitalism,
you
stand
in
there
and
try
to
help
people
get
these
projects
off
the
ground
and
I
think
we've
had
some
inquiries.
I
don't
think
we've
had
any
specific
applications
yet,
but
we've
had
inquiries
so
anyway.
J
We
need
to.
I
really
hope
that
you
guys
come
back
to
us
with
a
really
good
list
of
objective
standards
and
for
my
money
I'd
like
to
see
you
include
the
affordability
component.
I
think
that's
that's
important
and
there's
just
a
you
know:
you
look
at
different
cities,
they're
looking
at
the
size,
they're,
looking
at
the
parking,
the
you
mentioned,
the
flag,
lots
whether
they
should
have
garages
or
driveways,
with
the
shape
of
the
lot,
the
setbacks,
whether
the
people
living
in
should
even
be
allowed
to
own
a
vehicle.
J
A
couple
cities
are
looking
at
that.
Should
they
be
leed
certified?
Should
there
be
a
certain
type
of
landscaping?
What
about
street
parking
height
building
forms
porches?
Is
it
a
landmark
historic
site?
All
these
things
are
being
incorporated,
because
you
know
different
cities
have
a
different
approach
to
these
things.
Some
cities
are
in
favor,
but
others
make
it
kind
of
stringent.
P
B
P
P
I
am
of
the
opinion
that
sacramento
does
have
good
intentions,
but,
as
the
saying
goes,
the
road
to
hell
is
paved
often
with
good
intentions
and,
yes,
it
will
change
our
neighborhoods
forever.
This
gives
us
the
ability
to
at
least
control
what
we
can
control.
I
would
like
to
come
back
and
ask
the
question
of
staff.
The
following
an
affidavit
is
simply
stating
in
the
last
three
years
you
have
lived
in
this
residence
under
penalty
of
perjury.
P
P
Thank
you
very
much
that
to
me,
mr
powers
is
worth
looking
at
that
we
do
something
like
code
enforcement
to
verify
that
they
truly
are
living
in
that
home,
because
a
lot
of
fraud
takes
place
in
the
united
states
based
on
the
honesty
of
the
person.
But
the
person
often
says
what
are
my
chances
of
being
caught.
That's
now
the
moral
norm,
we
have
out
there
in
a
program
like
this.
N
Certainly
we
as
staff
was
saying-
that's
certainly
gonna
be
one
of
the
areas
that
they
look
at
when
they
come
back
to
op
with
options
for
the
council
moving
into
a
proactive
versus
reactive
code
enforcement
is
a
shift
for
the
council,
so
that
would
be
something
the
council
would
really
need
to
weigh.
There's
you
know,
depending
on
where
these
numbers
goes
resource
allocation.
That
would
need
to
be
made
for
something
like
that,
but
we'll
we'll
certainly
provide
the
council
options.
B
J
A
Sb9
now
is
dealing
us
the
same
dilemma
in
that
there
are,
there
are
no
teeth
in
this
law
that
says,
cities
have
to
provide
affordable
housing,
and
so
that
is
a
primary
concern
that
I
have,
and
I
would
want
to
see
that
when
we
come
back
with
with
objective
standards
and
all
that
that
we
look
at
what
can
we
do
in
order
to
see
what
can
we
do
to
make
units
more
affordable?
I
mean
that
really
is
the
issue.
A
Yes,
there
is
a
house
housing
crisis
in
california,
but
more
so
it's
an
affordability
crisis,
and
if
we
cannot
work
successfully
in
that
area,
then
you
know
building
all
the
units
in
the
world.
What
is
it?
Fifteen
thousand
units
and
thousand
oaks
is
not
going
to
help
those
who
simply
don't
make
all
that
much
money
and,
as
we
know,
low
income
is
considered
a
family
of
four
making
just
under
90
000
a
year,
and
that
is
a
lot
of
money.
But
that
is
that
again.
A
That
is
your
your
teacher,
that
is
your
substitute
teacher
and
I
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
the
inclusionary.
Housing
ordinance
cannot
come
soon
enough,
and
I
it
is
my
fervent
hope
that,
with
these
amendments
proposed
tonight
that
we
are
able
to
make
even
the
slightest
dent
in
affordability.
Thank
you.
Q
Mayor
if
I
may,
and
thank
you
council
members
for
your
comments
on
on
this
issue
and
and
just
to
discuss
specifically
the
affordability
component,
it
is
something
that,
at
your
direction,
the
staff
will
look
at.
I
do
want
to
caution
you
that
at
this
time
this
is
a
very
new
regulation
and
there
are
cities
or
agencies
who
are
proposing
an
affordable
component
to
their
sb9
ordinances.
Q
However,
those
have
not
been
tested.
We
need
to
review
those
and-
and
again
that's
the
only
caution
I
give
you
is
that
there's
been
there's
an
underlying
purpose
stated
by
the
state
and
that
is
to
create
more
housing
right
and
you
cannot
create
ordinances
that
are
so
unduly
burdensome
to
that
creation
of
housing.
And
if
they
see
that
in
your
in
your
ordinances,
then
that
is
something
they're
going
to
hcd
will
take
a
look
at.
So
it's
not
saying
that
we're
not
going
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Q
I
just
want
to
caution
you
that
it's
not
clear
that
we
can
do
that
affordable
component
to
it
or
include
it
in
the
inclusionary
housing
analysis.
But
it's
certainly
something
that
we're
going
to
consider
again
continue
our
research
we've
been
doing
that
already.
It's
just
that.
There's
no
right
answer
yet
because
there's
been
no
case
law
on
it,
there's
been
a
couple.
Cases
have
been
filed,
but
those
are
are
way
way,
far
away
and
they're,
not
necessarily
related
when
I
say
way,
far
way,
far
away
from
being
resolved.
Q
J
Yeah
you're
right,
actually
you
walk
a
fine
line.
You
know,
are
we
putting
enough
in
there
because
we
want
a
quality
project?
Are
we
putting
so
much
in
there
because
we
wanted
thwart
sb9
and
that's
where
hcd
takes
a
pretty
hard
look
at
this
stuff
so
and
you're
right?
A
lot
of
it
is
new
frontier.
You
know,
but
I
think
we
can
get
an
affordability
component
in
there.
J
B
B
B
It
doesn't
do
us
really
too
much
good
for
our
arena
numbers
or
anything
really
to
build
a
bunch
of
market
rate
housing.
So
that's
something
we
should
be
looking
at.
Definitely,
but
I
I
appreciate
the
attorneys
in
the
room
saying
that
there's
there's
the
fine
line
that
we
need
to
draw
where
we
are
compliant
with
sb9
and
and
living
with
the
spirit
of
sb9,
but
also
achieving
the
goal
of
getting
some
affordability
in
town.
P
If
your
normal
market
rate
would
be
3
000
a
month
for
that
second
unit
that
you
build,
but
yet
you're
only
getting
500,
because
that's
what
the
county
says
that
you
can
charge,
then
that
project's
not
moving
forward.
So
that
would
be
a
deterrent
from
moving
forward
with
a
low
income
component
to
this.
In
my
opinion,
from
looking
at
it
from
an
economic
standpoint,
yeah.
B
L
Right,
let
me
finish
sorry
to
try
to
have
standards
that
would
be
more
compatible
with
the
type
of
community
that
we
want
to
have
you
know
this
is
like
trying
to
make.
I
don't
know
what
the
analogy
is,
but
trying
to
make
something
pretty
out
of
something
ugly.
I
don't.
I
don't
really
see
how
how
this
can
be
saved
in
its
present
form
and
I'm
sorry
that
initiative
didn't
make
it.
I
was
going
to
help
participate
in
that
and
got
some
forms.
Then
I
heard
that
that
happened,
but
I
you.
A
L
It
seems
strange
to
adopt
something
to
help
implement
something
that
you
don't
want
to
do,
but
if
this
is
a
self-defense
measure
in
which
we
can
put
provisions
into
the
implementation
of
this,
that
would
be
more
easy
to
live
with.
I,
I
guess
it's
something
at
least
we're
just
going
to
consider
the
amendment
right.
If
we
go.
L
N
N
L
B
C
Thank
you
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council.
My
name
is
jackson
piper.
I
live
in
unincorporated
newbury
park
been
resident
here
for
over
30
years,
and
I'm
going
to
start
by
saying,
probably
the
unpopular
thing.
I
think
that,
if
not
sb9,
then
some
form
of
statewide
bill
similar
to
it
is
a
necessary
thing
just
because,
as
council
member
adam
noted
earlier
of
the
the
land
in
california
that
contains
some
form
of
built
environment,
75
percent
of
that
is
single-family
housing,
and
so
that
really
dominates
throughout
california.
C
I
think
there's
a
good
opportunity
there
and
I
think
that
the
realistic
outcome
of
what
sp9
is
is
entailing
in
thousand
oaks
is
not
actually
going
to
be
that
severe.
Looking
at
thousand
oaks
single
family
properties,
a
lot
of
them
are
sort
of
squarish
with
a
rectangular
house
at
the
front
of
them
and
a
yard
at
the
back.
C
But
I
also
think
there
are
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
that
own
single
family
homes
in
thousand
oaks
that
are
going
to
be
chomping
at
the
bed
to
tear
down
their
house
or
find
some
other
way
of
adding
the
extra
units
so
it'll
happen.
But
I
and
I
think
it
should
happen,
but
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
very
widespread.
A
C
Forward
with
this
and
encourage
where
you
can
more
density
in
our
single
family
neighborhoods,
without
changing
their
character
drastically,
if
you
could
add
an
affordability
component
by
incentivizing
it,
I
think
that
would
be
great.
I
don't
think
you
can
mandate
it
and
I
think
the
state
won't.
Let
you
but
please
proceed.
Thank
you.
B
J
Yeah,
it's
really
imperative
that
we
face
up
to
this.
You
know
housing
and
community
development
has
a
oversight.
Department
and
29
cities
have
been
have
registered
complaints
against
them
so
far
for
either
having
overly
stringent
or
having
no
restrictions
and
no
objectives,
and
the
next
thing
you
know
will
be
with
the
housing
accountability
unit.
If
we're
not
careful,
which
is
you
know,
the
the
enforcement
division
of
one
of
the
state's
agencies,
but
anyway
I
I
agree
with
claudia.
B
L
B
B
It's
always
illustrative
to
me
to
go
to
these
conferences
and
find
that
the
problems
that
we
find
here
in
thousand
oaks
are
are
also
common
problems
to
other
areas
of
the
of
the
the
state.
The
southern
california
association
of
governments,
of
course,
is
the
is
it
the
nine
counties
in
the
south
here
that
have
get
got,
get
together
and
form
discussion
committees
have
come
up
with
policies,
one
of
those
policies.
These
policies
was
to
oppose
proposition
nine
or
of
senate
bill
nine,
but
it
was
time
time
well
spent.
B
In
my
opinion,
one
of
the
one
of
the
city's
city
of
ontario
is
doing
similar
things
to
what
we're
doing
they
are
looking
at
moving
their
housing,
their
their
multi-resident
housing
to
underutilized,
commercial
and
and
retail
areas.
One
of
the
one
of
the
presenters
talked
about
funding
sources
and
saying
that
funding
sources
for
affordable
housing.
You
must
use
every
stone,
you
can't
leave
any
stone
unturned.
Do
not
do
not
look
at
any
funding
source
as
something
you
don't
want
to
investigate
and
then
quite
a
bit
of
talk
about
a
clean
energy
future.
B
B
B
Staffing
of
cities,
and
I'm
sure
the
city
manager
could
agree
with
this
staffing
of
bringing
in
appropriate
and
highly
talented
staff.
We
just
had
two
of
our
new
members
here.
Presenting
to
us
tonight
is
challenging
for
everybody
in
the
state
of
california
to
a
certain
degree,
there's
cannibalization
going
on
among
staff,
and
we
have
to
recruit
very
hard
to
get
our
good
people
the
other.
B
While
we
were
there,
the
state
announced
its
surplus,
and
we
approached
both
of
our
both
of
our
assembly
members
and
discussed
how?
Perhaps
this
surplus
can
flow
more
directly
to
the
cities
and
the
trailer
bills
that
are
coming
out
after
the
budget
is,
is
set,
and
everything,
hopefully,
will
include
money
that
is
coming
directly
to
the
cities
for
some
of
the
projects
that
we
talked
about
tonight.
That
might
help
with
our
water
issues
and
everything
else
so
time
well
spent.
We
flew
the
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
flag.
N
Yeah,
just
briefly
before
we
call
closed
session,
we'll
be
back
here
three
weeks
from
tonight
on
the
14th
and
on
that
evening,
we'll
have
our
lighting
and
landscaping
district
public
hearing
ballot
tally,
and
we
will
have
a
public
hearing
on
a
development
proposal
for
the
kmart
site
with
imt
as
the
applicant.
That
is
three
weeks
from
tonight
on
the
14th
of
june.