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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - May 17, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 5/17/22
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Well,
welcome
everybody.
This
is
a
very
important
meeting
for
us.
This
is
where
we're
gonna
work
on
setting
our
goals
for
next
year
and
for
us
we
look
forward
to
this
meeting,
so
we
have
this
a
little
a
little
more
relaxed
discussion
on
where
we
would
like
to
see
things
going.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
have
our
clerk
call
rowell.
Please.
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A
B
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
council
only
on
issues
listed
on
the
agenda.
Pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
One
individual
has
presented
a
speaker
card
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
A
He's
dropped
off
very
good,
so
let's
go
with
our
our
study
session.
The
purpose
for
our
meeting
tonight
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
drew
powers.
D
Thank
you
so
much
mayor,
engler
we've
got
masks
on
over
here
because
tis
the
season
I'm
recovering
from
a
head
coal,
myself.
So
out
of
a
courtesy
over
here
non-covet,
I
can
say
for
certain
welcome
it's
great
to
be
here
tonight,
albeit
a
week
delayed
here
at
the
grand
arbor
brim
hall
library,
nice
to
be
back
utilizing
this
room
for
his
intended
purpose
of
community
gatherings.
D
It's
no
small
feat
when
we're
dealing
with
all
the
production,
as
you
can
see,
to
to
video
this
and
and
distribute
it
out
over
the
airwaves
and
also
the
virtual
participation
component,
which
is
an
added
element.
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D
Let's
take
a
quick
look
at
our
agenda
for
the
evening
before
we
before
we
get
started,
I'm
going
to
provide
you
a
brief
workforce
overview,
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
our
priorities
from
21
22
and
talk
about
the
achievements
there
go
through
the
priority
setting
exercise
for
2223
and
then
opportunity
for
closing
comments.
D
D
That
said,
we
have
worked
hard
to
maintain
our
status
as
an
employer
of
choice
with
a
commitment
to
modern
workplace
practices
and
robust
succession
planning.
We've
also
had
to
become
very,
very
agile
in
our
recruitment
efforts
in
terms
of
where
we
are
today.
I
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
charts
that
show
just
how
rapidly
things
have
evolved
over
the
past
six
years
in
our
organization,
a
little
bit
tough
to
see
there.
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D
What
those
represent
is
the
changing,
tin,
tenor
tenure
within
our
organization,
the
dark
blue
with
those
with
over
20
years
of
service
about
41
percent
back
in
2016..
It
shrunk
down
about
25
percent
in
2022
that
tiny
little
sliver
of
light
blue
less
than
two
years
has
rocketed
from
one
percent
to
13
percent.
And
then,
when
you
add
on
the
two
to
five
years,
you
see
how
that
that
growth
has
really
continued
to
to
intensify
as
anticipated
back
in
2010
with
our
internal
people
strategy.
D
While
we
have
been
able
to
maintain
our
existing
position
count
for
over
a
decade,
we
will
be
taking
a
close
look
at
future
need.
As
we
enter
next
year's
budget
process.
We
are
currently
updating
our
long-term
financial
strategic
plan,
which
will
guide
any
recommendations
that
we
eventually
bring
to
the
city
council.
D
D
We
will
have
a
chance
for
q,
a
on
any
of
our
workforce
items
any
of
the
priorities
at
the
conclusion
of
our
updates.
Now
we've
got
folks
from
across
the
organization
here
that
should
be
able
to
answer
any
questions
the
council
has,
but
with
that,
I'm
going
to
kick
it
off
with
an
update
on
what
landed
at
the
top
of
council's
list
last
year,
which
is
a
commitment
to
seizing
the
golden
age
age
of
biotechnology.
D
D
It's
important
to
note
that
these
are
largely
retrofits
of
outdated
office
manufacturing
and
warehousing
spaces.
This
building
you're,
seeing
up
on
the
screen
there
at
1300,
rancho
canejo,
was
a
vacant
for
almost
a
decade
manufacturing
building
and
it's
now
home
to
hundreds
of
new
employees
working
for
several
biotech
companies
from
site
selection,
planning
and
inspection
standpoint.
D
D
With
more
inquiries
coming
in
through
our
economic
development
office
daily,
as
economic
development
manager,
hey,
alawami,
can
attest,
we
are
clearly
on
the
national
and
international
radar.
Now,
perhaps
most
notably
1100
rancho
conejo
is
a
20
plus
acre
development
site
that
used
to
be
owned
by
amgen
and
is
now
a
forthcoming
project
from
alexandria
to
build
325
000
square
feet
of
life.
Science
fresh,
build
along
with
a
food
beverage
and
conference
use
a
landmark
investment
for
thousand
oaks,
truly
minting
our
region
as
one
of
the
country's
most
important
emerging
biotech
clusters.
D
These
investments
are
producing
hundreds
of
new
jobs
and
generating
life-saving
treatments
benefiting
society
at
large.
We
have
a
lot
to
be
proud
of
here
as
a
as
a
city
and
as
a
community
with
those
evolving
uses
comes
the
need
to
make
targeted
infrastructure
improvements
and
our
public
works
team
has
led
the
way
this
past
year
and
worked
to
realign
lawrence
and
teller
intersection
with
that
work
well
underway
and
to
add
sidewalks
and
crossings
in
selected
areas
to
meet
demand.
D
E
E
City
staff
have
made
demonstrable
progress
towards
identifying
and
advancing
solutions
for
emergency
sheltering
and
permanent
supportive
housing
to
address
homelessness
in
alignment
with
your
2021-22
adopted
priorities.
Last
summer
staff
released
an
rfq
to
find
a
qualified
developer
and
operator
to
work
with
the
city
on
identifying
sites
for
emergency
shelter
and
permanent
supportive
housing.
E
The
process
yielded
two
well-qualified
development
teams,
and
in
september
of
last
year,
the
city
council
authorized
staff
to
move
forward
with
each
of
the
teams.
We
recommend
it.
One
of
those
teams
is
shangri-la
industries.
Who
is
the
developer
and
step
up
on
second
who
serves
as
the
nonprofit
operator.
E
They
have
significant
motel
conversion
experience,
including
first
and
second
round
homekey
projects.
As
you
may
recall,
last
year,
shangri-la
industries
entered
into
a
purchase
and
sell
agreement
for
the
quality
in
and
suites
with
council's
authorization.
Earlier
this
year,
the
city
shangri-la
and
step
up
on
second
submitted
a
project
homekey
grant
application
to
request
funding
to
convert
the
motel
into
housing
for
persons
experiencing
homelessness.
E
E
Staff
in
shangri-la
have
been
engaged
in
ongoing
and
active
dialogue
with
the
state
on
our
application.
As
you
can
imagine,
project
homekey
is
a
highly
competitive
process
with
multiple
jurisdictions
competing
for
a
limited
plot
of
funding.
We
hope
to
have
a
definitive
answer
on
the
status
of
our
application
in
the
coming
weeks.
E
In
addition
to
our
work,
efforts
with
schanger
law
staff
is
also
working
with
many
mansions
on
identifying
a
viable
site
that
would
provide
a
combination
of
emergency
shelter
beds
as
well
as
permanent,
supportive
housing.
As
you're
aware,
there
are
limited
number
of
properties
on
the
market.
However,
we
continue
to
work
in
earnest
with
many
mansions
on
exploring
all
possible
options
and
hopefully
bringing
forth
a
site
for
consideration
to
the
city
council.
E
F
Thank
you
ingrid
for
the
introduction
good
evening,
mayor
engler
and
members
of
the
city
council.
Several
project
milestones
have
been
completed
during
the
past
year
for
the
thousand
oaks
2045
general
plan
update.
This
project
was
initiated
in
february
2019
and
since
then,
we
have
completed
three
of
the
five
phases
of
the
project,
all
with
extensive
public
feedback
and
involvement.
F
F
F
The
housing
element
contains
17
programs
and
more
than
40
objectives
with
specific
deadlines
and
serves
as
the
guide
to
meet
current
and
future
housing
needs.
The
advanced
planning
team
has
already
begun
implementing
several
programs
in
the
housing
element.
The
team
successfully
prepared
and
solicited
proposals
for
an
update
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
non-residential
development
linkage
fee.
A
kickoff
meeting
with
the
consultants
will
be
held
soon
and
staff
anticipates
that
recommendations
from
the
study
will
be
taken
to
city
council
by
the
end
of
this
year.
F
G
Thank
you
kristen
good
evening,
mayor
engler
and
council,
I'm
alexandra
south,
I'm
the
communications
manager
in
the
city
manager's
office,
and
I
want
to
briefly
provide
an
exciting
update
on
progress
this
year.
In
the
city's
effort
to
respond
rebuild
and
recover,
we
put
forth
an
ambitious
budget
with
a
specific
goal
of
over
20
million
for
rebuilding
and
reinvesting
in
the
community.
I'm
happy
to
share
that.
Almost
all
of
that
funding
has
already
gone
out
into
the
community.
G
16
million
was
set
aside
for
housing
and
homelessness
efforts.
The
city
has
already
spent
10
million
of
that
to
purchase
the
hillcrest
site,
which
will
ultimately
provide
affordable
housing
to
many
in
our
community,
and
1.8
million
was
allocated
toward
project
homekey,
which
ingrid
touched
on
earlier.
G
Non-Profits
and
17
grants
were
awarded
to
arts
companies,
including
our
three
resident
companies,
new
west
symphony,
pacific
festival,
ballet
and
five
star
theatricals
one
and
a
half
million
was
granted
to
crpd
for
the
construction
of
paige
lane
neighborhood
park,
which
is
set
to
open
this
summer
and
provides
another
wonderful
place
for
residents
to
enjoy.
The
outdoors,
5
million
was
budgeted
for
reducing
the
city's
deferred
street
maintenance.
G
This
enables
the
city
to
repave
approximately
64
miles
of
streets.
This
year
our
staff
worked
hard
across
all
departments
and
with
our
partners
like
teo
arts,
to
successfully
get
funding
out
into
the
community
as
quickly
as
possible,
where
it
would
have
the
most
impact,
and
this
is
something
that
should
be
celebrated.
H
H
H
Through
this
series
of
free
events
presented
at
different
locations
around
the
city
during
the
month
of
june,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
bring
the
arts
and
cultural
experiences
outside
of
the
theater
directly
to
our
community,
with
no
cost
to
attend.
These
events
allow
us
to
engage
with
our
community
residents
in
an
inclusive
and
accessible
way,
which
we
feel
highlights
the
importance
of
city
council
goal.
A
these
events
also
provide
us
a
chance
to
spotlight
diverse
cultures
and
to
share
their
arts
with
our
community.
H
H
I
Thank
you,
john
and
jonathan
good
evening
may
engler
and
members
of
the
council,
so
I'm
here
to
give
you
an
update
on
our
climate
and
environmental
action
plan.
This
evening,
early
last
year,
council
adopted
a
working
greenhouse
gas
reduction
target
of
40
percent
below
2010
levels
by
2030
aligned
with
that
of
the
state
of
california,
the
development
of
our
climate
and
environmental
action
plan
or
c-app.
I
We've
now
completed
our
community
greenhouse
gas
inventory
through
2020,
which
shows
great
progress
towards
this
goal.
There's
already
been
a
28
drop
in
emissions
since
2010,
primarily
due
to
council's
decision
to
enroll
the
city
in
a
hundred
percent
green
energy
through
clean
power
alliance
starting
in
2019
last
fall.
The
city
was
recognized
for
its
comprehensive
approach
to
addressing
climate
change
with
a
silver
level
beacon
vanguard
award
presented
by
the
league
of
california
cities.
I
I
I
This
will
be
followed
by
another
extensive
phase
of
stakeholder
outreach
and
engagement.
The
plan
will
be
submitted
for
environmental
analysis
with
the
general
plan
and
a
joint
eir
prepared
next
spring.
This
will
facilitate
c
app
strategies
to
be
used
to
mitigate
any
general
plan
environmental
impacts,
although
we
do
not
yet
have
an
adopted
c
app.
I
J
Thank
you,
dr
helen
mangler,
members
of
the
city
council,
jesse,
your
new
building
official,
it's
pleasure
to
meet
you
and
pleasure
to
be
here
this
afternoon.
I'm
excited
to
explain
to
you
and
share
with
you
the
information
of
the
new
land
management
system
from
tyler
technologies,
called
enterprise
permit
and
licensing.
J
The
software
is
truly
a
replacement
and
consolidation
of
five
different
software
systems.
Currently
within
the
city
system,
and
teams
using
to
process
payment,
permit
management
systems
to
use
inspection
request
systems.
Currently
the
3-1-1,
the
main
star
system
will
be
consolidated
all
within
this
new
system.
J
Overall,
improving
communication
and
data
sharing
in
real
time
in
our
community
and
amongst
our
staff
is
vital.
In
closing.
On
a
personal
note,
I
am
very
excited
for
the
system.
Building
safety
is
definitely
looking
to
take
advantage
of
the
technology
that
is
being
proposed
and
being
brought
on
board.
K
K
A
plan
for
the
civic
arts
plaza
was
developed
to
accomplish
the
goals
of
the
downtown
core
master
plan.
The
effort
included
extensive
reach
and
community
participation.
The
council
endorsed
the
design
on
february
25th
2020..
Unfortunately,
the
pandemic
came
onto
the
scene
in
full
force
weeks
later
in
march
of
2020..
K
In
the
meantime,
housing
was
approved
at
the
lakes
which
will
positively
impact
the
downtown
core
master
plan
and
the
campus
master
plan
earlier
this
year.
The
campus
master
plan
ad
hoc
committee
reconvened
and
in
the
past
several
months
there
have
been
several
meetings
with
the
committee
and
internally
with
staff.
K
B
Also
at
the
hill
canyon
treatment
plant
continue
with
the
city's
focus
on
effective
long-range
financial
management.
As
drew
mentioned
earlier,
staff
is
currently
in
the
process
of
a
comprehensive
update
to
our
financial
strategic
plan
building
upon
the
foundation
of
the
prior
financial
strategic
plans.
L
Thank
you
and
good
evening.
Yes,
I'm
here
to
provide
a
brief
update
on
the
city-wide
transition
to
the
new
contract,
waste
hall
or
athens
services.
This
has
been
a
very
visible
process
for
the
past
year.
It's
one
that
has
affected
and
impacted
every
resident
and
every
business
across
town,
and
it
was
a
very
significant
process,
but
I'm
extremely
pleased
at
the
position
that
we
are
at
today.
The
transition
has
been
completed,
the
city-wide
transition.
L
A
huge
volume
of
customer
service
calls
were
processed
throughout
the
transition
phase
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
volume
has
decreased
significantly.
Now
the
project
has
realized
increased
overall
sustainability
goals
for
the
city,
we're
the
first
city
in
the
county
now
to
be
fully
compliant
with
sp
1383,
with
standardized
containers
and
food.
Waste
collection
provided
to
every
single
resident
and
business
in
town.
L
Improved
rates
and
pricing
was
a
key
component
of
the
transition
as
well
and
for
the
average
residential
property
owner.
They
are
realizing
a
savings
of
150
dollars
a
year,
which
equates
to
almost
5
million
dollars
annually
back
into
the
pockets
of
the
residents
of
thousand
oaks
strong
outreach
and
communication.
L
There
was
extensive
outreach
to
the
communi
to
the
residents
and
businesses,
obviously
throughout
this
process,
whether
that
be
ads
in
the
acorn
direct
mailers,
social
media
and
the
customer
service
hotline
and
the
opening
of
the
athens
sustainability
center
on
thousands
boulevard
and,
last
but
not
least,
new
and
improved
enhanced
services.
We
had
our
first.
L
We
also
have
improved
street
sweeping
both
in
terms
of
quality
and
in
frequency
around
town
and,
lastly,
there's
some
new
programs,
one
of
which
I'd
like
to
highlight,
which
is
the
new
household,
hazardous
waste
home
collection
program,
which
allows
residents
to
be
able
to
have
their
household
hazardous
voice
collected
from
their
residents
and
not
require
them
to
make
a
trip
to
any
special
location.
To
do
that
and
we're
finalizing
the
instructions
and
process
for
that
shortly
and
look
forward
to
be
advertising
that
to
the
residents
to
take
advantage
of.
D
Thanks,
dr
and
before
we
open
it
up
for
question
and
answer
and
dialogue,
I
wanted
to
introduce
melissa
ortado
now,
even
though
this
is
a
non-budget
year,
and
we
only
do
our
goals
every
two
years
generally
been
a
lot
of
discussion
this
year
on
council's
goal.
Number
one,
and
so
I
wanted
to
have
melissa,
just
provide
a
brief
update
on
some
of
the
activities
that
occurred
last
year
associated
with
that
awesome.
G
Thank
you
drew
hello
good
evening,
mayor
engler
city
council
members,
since
the
adoption
of
your
number
one
goal
related
to
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
We
are
pleased
that
progress
has
been
made
to
move
the
organization
forward,
including
improvements
to
areas
such
as
public
engagement,
we've
been
meeting
with
community
groups
over
the
last
year
or
so
to
discuss
ideas,
access
for
differently,
abled
individuals,
alt
texts
are
now
included
on
our
social
media
images.
G
Human
resources,
recruitment
efforts,
we
have
piloted
a
blind
application
review
process
and
we
have
updated
our
applica
or
excuse
me
our
advertising
practices
that
now
include
a
reach
to
a
broader
applicant
pool
and
we're
creating
recruitment
materials
that
are
more
welcoming
and
modern
financial
investments
into
the
community.
Several
financial
investments
have
been
made,
such
as
the
purchase
of
the
hillcrest
school
property
for
affordable
housing
contribution
towards
the
community
park
at
page
lane
and
over
a
million
dollars
into
our
social
services
and
arts
grant
programs
and,
of
course,
staff
training
is
key.
G
So
on
april
14th,
the
city
hosted
a
stakeholder
roundtable
meeting
right
in
this
room
and
it
was
led
by
our
county
dei
officer,
pin
zapanyam
and
40
members
of
different
community
based
organizations.
Our
partner
agencies,
such
as
crpd,
topd
and
cvusd,
attended
to
have
high
level
discussions
on
discussions
on
disparities
and
inequities,
and
each
table
conducted
a
spot
analysis
and
discussed
the
strengths,
problems,
opportunities
and
threats
within
the
community
and
developed
bold
ideas
that
they
shared
with
the
group.
G
This
was
an
important
and
exciting
meeting
for
the
attendees,
as
it
was
an
opportunity
to
share
ideas
from
different
perspectives,
and
it
was
an
occasion
to
network
and
collaborate
in
ways
they
hadn't
before
I'd
like
to
share
a
little
bit
about
what
was
discussed
during
this
meeting.
So
some
of
the
themes
on
the
disparities
and
equity
inequities
that
were
raised
by
the
group
included
housing,
transportation,
health
care,
racism,
minimum
wage,
digital
divide,
law
enforcement,
city,
elected
officials,
community
attitude,
disabled
community
and
the
lgbtq
community
a
spot
as
part
of
the
spot
analysis.
G
G
We
lack
representation
at
the
decision-making
level
and
there's
a
mayberry
mentality,
a
few
of
the
opportunities
included,
organizing
non-profits,
to
create
a
more
collaborative
community
with
arts,
music
services,
etc.
Teaching
conversations
with
the
ability
to
ask
questions
and
our
youth
is
an
opportunity,
although
they
need
the
ability
to
stay
in
the
community.
G
Some
of
the
threats
included
social
media
and
disinformation
and
aging
population
and
discomfort
in
speaking
about
racism
and
diversity.
The
group
developed
several
ideas
that
touched
upon
all
the
themes
previously
discussed.
A
few
that
are
in
the
city.
Purview
include
more
diversity
on
boards
committees
commissions,
including
planning
and
traffic
commissions,
communication
of
dei
efforts
and
a
dei
consultant
or
city
employee
focused
on
dei
and
city,
hosted
cultural
event
with
booths
hosted
by
different
organizations.
G
So,
obviously,
not
everything
that
was
discussed
at
the
round
table
is
something
that
is
under
city
control
or
purview.
It
is
key
to
continue
to
engage
our
partner
agencies
and
the
community
based
organizations.
As
we
move
forward,
staffing
steph
intends
to
continue
the
discussions
and
pursue
areas
where
we
can
make
improvements.
G
D
Thank
you,
melissa
and
thank
you
city
team.
It
was
it's
remarkable
when
you
think
about
all
the
things
that
were
shared
over
the
course
of
the
last
year.
That's
a
lot
of
activity
over
what
seems
like
not
that
long,
a
period
of
time,
we'd
like
to
open
it
up
now
for
q,
a
and
I'll
kind
of
try
to
moderate
through
that.
I
think
maybe
the
best
way
to
do
that.
Mayor
engler
is
just
to
kind
of
start
at
the
top
with
the
workforce
and
then
we'll
just
kind
of
work.
D
A
You're
very
good,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
to
have
some
questions
here
from
our
my
colleagues
here.
We
also
have
six
or
eight
people
online
waiting
to
make
comments
and
our
questions.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
their
word
in.
But
let
me
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues
for
any
specific
questions
and
then
we
can
talk
once
we
get
all
our
questions
out
of
the
way
and
clarifications
we'll
listen
to
our
public
and
then
they
can
open
it
up
to
a
more
generalized
discussion
as
well.
A
So
I
know
that
we
had
one
question
from
mayor
pro
tem
jones
earlier
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
he
gets
it
out.
C
Well,
this
is
not
a
fundamental
question.
I
didn't
understand
all
the
nomenclature
relative
to
building
in
safety.
I
wonder
if
you
might
tell
me
the
name
of
that
plan
that
begins
with
the
word
enterprise
and
explain
a
little
bit
in
more
detail.
Did
you
say
that
there
would
be
service
seven
days
a
week.
C
J
C
J
That
is
correct.
It's
intended
to
provide
an
online
public
portal
to
our
website,
where
folks
can
log
in
create
online
applications
and
submit
them
24
7.,
seven
days
a
week
at
the
convenience
of
of
the
office
convenience
store
from
the
home.
The
reality
is
yes.
The
online
services
will
be
available
to
be
submitted
and
applied
for
throughout
the
entire
time
that
anybody
that
system's
up
and
running.
C
M
Great
great,
my
some
of
the
complaints
that
I've
heard
from
the
various
contractors
developers-
builders,
even
architects
and
consumers-
is
that
it's
taking
too
long
to
get
through
the
planning
process.
M
I
was
told
that
we
are
understaffed
in
the
planning
department
to
meet
the
needs
where,
if
someone
leaves
a
voicemail
they're,
not
getting
a
call
back
for
perhaps
weeks
or
it
comes
back
as
a
response
via
email
and
not
everybody
works
with
email
and
again
comes
down
to
a
staffing
issue.
Where
are
we
in
the
planning
department-
and
perhaps
maybe
calvin
parker
would
want
to
elaborate
on
this?
Where
are
we
with
addressing
that
need.
N
N
The
community
development
department
overall,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
question
and
planning
we're
in
a
much
better
position
in
terms
of
staffing,
so
we've
actually
cut
down
quite
a
bit
on
processing
times
that
we
saw
last
year
and
as
well
as
returning
phone
calls.
Since
we
met
and
discussed
the
cdd
in
october
of
last
year,
we've
implemented
a
new
system
of
tracking
phone
calls
as
they
come
in.
N
We've
worked
with
various
city
staff
to
shrink
or
narrow
the
mailboxes
by
which
messages
go
through,
which
actually
helps
us
get
to
them
quite
faster
than
we
did
before.
So,
thanks
to
the
leadership
that
council
provided
and
allowing
us
some
consulting
help,
as
well
as
filling
positions
working
with
hr
cdd
is
in
a
much
better
position
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
you
mentioned
just
a
moment
ago.
M
One
of
the
technologies
that's
used
in
the
police
department
is
that
when
an
officer
takes
a
complaint,
it
goes
to
detectives
and
automatically
that's
entered
into
the
system
and
a
30-day
clock
starts
ticking
detectives
supposed
to
do
some
action
on
it
at
the
end
of
30
days.
If
it's
not
resolved
or
moving
forward,
lieutenant
comes
down
and
talks
to
them
find
out
what's
going
on
so
that
way
the
public
is
served.
Do
we
have
such
a
tracking
system?
M
M
She
submitted
the
plans
as
an
architect
of
30
years
waited
for
response
back
from
the
city
which
didn't
happen
for
four
or
five
months
made
a
finally,
a
phone
call
got
an
email
back
saying:
oh
here's,
the
problem
and
she
came
down
actually
to
council
and
to
your
terrific
customer
service,
talk
with
her
and
it
all
came
down
to
that.
She
was
not
notified
that
she
had
to
do
certain
landscaping,
terracing
whatever
behind
the
garage,
and
yet
she
had
been
sitting
there
waiting
for
a
response
back
from
the
city.
That
never
happened.
M
Are
we
at
a
point
where
we
can
feel
comfortable
that
we're
not
taking
six
years
from
the
time
plans
are
submitted
the
times
that
they're
signed
off
and
built
as
compared
to
in
florida
that
they
can
do
it
in
three
years?
And
yes,
the
developers
are
telling
me
it's
taking
five
to
six
years
from
the
time
plans
are
submitted
to
the
time
it's
signed
off
for
occupancy
every
year.
You
wait
it's
seventeen
thousand
dollars
carrying
costs
per
apartment,
condo,
town,
home
and
house.
M
That's
eighty-five
thousand
dollars
per
unit
over
five
years,
and
I
appreciate
the
desire
for
efficiency,
because
government
is
about
27
of
the
cost
of
housing.
So
if
we
want
to
reduce
housing,
make
it
more
affordable,
we
need
to
be
more
efficient
in
that
example.
For
the
architect
who
came
in
are
we
now
with
how
long
it
takes
once
it's
submitted
plans
to
get
back
to
that
person
to
say
yes
or
no
or
make
changes
or
go
ahead
and
proceed?
How
long
is
that?
Taking
now.
N
That's
actually
an
excellent
question
so
just
to
provide
some
perspective
in
terms
of
background
from
what
you
laid
out
for
us
here
in
california,
we
have
a
very
different
regulatory
environment
than
they
do
in
florida,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
you
mentioned
the
police
department
versus
planning.
We
have
very
different
processes
and
response
times,
and
our
processes
and
response
times
are
a
function
of
state
law
and
permit
streamlining
act.
There's
a
similar
statute
in
terms
of
building
and
safety
in
terms
of
plan
check
with
life
and
safety
issues.
N
So
it's
a
multifaceted
process
that
is
a
give
and
take
between
the
applicant
and
their
consultants,
turning
information
around,
as
well
as
city
staff
plan,
checking
for
life
safety
issues
and
providing
those
comments
as
with
any
process
or
any
organization
that
provides
customer
service
at
a
high
level,
they're
going
to
be
fringe
cases.
So
what
we
plan
for
is
the
bulk
of
the
customers.
We
serve
as
opposed
to
the
outliers
similar
to
a
shopping
center
that
provides
parking
based
on
their
daily
use,
as
opposed
to
peak
christmas
hours.
N
M
I
I'm
doing
a
three
three
question:
rule.
That's
okay
with
you
mayor
last.
One
is
again
I
want
to
get
a
straight
answer
here
is
that
it
was
taking
too
long
or
non-response
from
our
planners
to
someone
who
submits
plans.
The
model
I
gave
with
the
police
department
was
not
so
much
different
regulatory,
more
of
long
of
a
customer
service
line
that
if
a
planner
is
not
completing
their
tasks
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
do
you
get
a
buzzer?
M
Do
you
get
notified
saying?
We've
got
a
problem
here,
because
this
one
fell
between
the
cracks
I
get
over
got
to
go
over
and
talk
to
that
planner
to
make
sure
it
moves
forward.
It's
a
just.
A
management
double
check.
Is
that
in
place
with
you
or
someone
that
will
look
over
and
make
certain
they're
going
through
in
a
timely
fashion,.
N
Again,
it's
a
function
of
managing
expectations,
there's
a
difference
between
the
regulatory
requirements
that
we
have
to
meet
per
state
law
and
what
a
homeowner
may
want
or
expect.
So
a
large
part
of
our
job
is
education
on
what
that
process
is
and
turnaround
times.
You
met
mr
deanda
here
this
evening.
Our
new
building
official
who's,
quite
adept
at
process
improvements
we're
very
lucky
to
have
him.
D
And
if
I
might
add
on
to
that
one,
I
think
important
thing
for
the
council
to
remember
because
you've
seen
these
things
coming
through
the
years.
One
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
us
is
the
continually
evolving
set
of
new
state
laws
and
and
basically
removal
of
authority
from
a
planning
site
and
starting
shot
clocks.
For
instance,
you
might
remember,
we
started
shot
clocks
on
solar
right,
so
you
know
what
that
what
that
does
is
you
know
for
folks
who
are
getting
solar
might
sound
great
right,
but
that
means
you've.
D
Solar,
basically
has
to
jump
to
the
front
of
the
line,
because
there's
a
shot
clock
that
starts
ticking
on
solar
immediately,
because
that
state
law
went
into
effect.
Wireless
facilities
are
the
same
way
shot.
Clock
starts
ticking,
adu
law,
the
changes
in
adus,
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
cases
you're
referencing
right.
D
So
we
had
our
first
round
of
adu
legislation,
and
then
we
had
about
two
or
three
subsequent
ones
every
year
since
and
that
dealt
with
varying
little
intricacies
and
components
setbacks
and
how
many
adus
you
can
have,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
limits
discretion
and
that's
what
I
was
talking
to
mayor
engler
about
a
neighbor
of
his
that
was
chewing
his
ear,
because
they
have
a
adu
popping
up
next
door
to
them
and
those
adus
and
those
things
have
have
impacted
our
volume
tremendously
and
all
of
those
varying
components.
They're.
D
Just
part
of
the
stew
that
we
deal
with
now
and
whenever
you
get
those
shot
clocks
that
are
added
in
there.
It
overly
complicates
situation
because
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
prioritize
in
a
manner
that
hits
in
different
ways,
and
so
that's
why
we're
constantly
making
our
changes
to
our
checks
and
balances,
modifying
our
training.
And
then
you
know
trying
to
staff
up
frankly
with
new
these.
Every
one
of
these
new
laws
that
comes
through
adus
are
not
something
this
community
is
very
used
to.
D
D
It
was
basically
more
than
we've
had
in
our
history
yeah
accessory
dwelling
unit,
and
so
that
means
a
either
a
a
garage
configuration
or
a
or
a
backyard
conversion.
So
whenever,
whenever
we
have
those
changes
in
volume,
it
has
impacts.
So
that's
all
just
additional
point.
A
Thank
you
drew
yeah
accessory
drawing
unit.
Colloquialism
is
a
mother-in-law
quarters
that
people
would
add
on
to
their
house
a
granny
flat.
I
one
one
quick
question:
I
like
the
systems
that
I'm
seeing.
I
appreciate
the
online
aspect.
That's
coming
online
and
what
november
you
mentioned,
it'll
be
live,
that's
so
that
will
allow
people
to
be
able
to
do
stuff
from
their
home.
N
A
Very
good,
and
then
from
the
city's
perspective,
is
that
to
kevin's
point
of
giving
us
some
systems
in
place
to
better
track.
Does
that
allow
us
to
better
track
the
the
information
that's
coming
in
and
the
permits
are
attempting
to
be
pulled?
If
not
pulled.
N
As
part
of
that
will
allow
us
to
better
improve
our
development
activity
report,
which
is
available
now
on
the
website
that
will
track
cases
as
they
come
in
as
they
go
move
throughout
the
life
of
the
project
from
planet
entitlement
all
the
way
through
building
permit.
So
that's
available
now,
but
this
system
that
we're
looking
to
in
place
to
put
in
place
the
lms
will
help
us
enhance
the
ability
of
that
function.
N
A
Just
one
follow-up
question:
thank
you,
mr
powers.
One
follow-up
question
in
terms
of
the
time
frames
to
get
a
permit
from
you
know,
idea
to
opening
doors.
I'm
I'm
sure
it
runs
the
gamut
because
of
complexity
of
different
projects
and
everything
else.
I'm
just
thinking
in
terms
of
this
project
where
we'll
have
been
having
coming
before
us
in
a
month
or
so,
which
is
the
kmart
property
that
languished
for
so
many
years.
When
did
the?
When
was
a
city
approached
with
this
final
plan?
A
Was
it
three
years
ago?
Do
you
recall.
N
N
N
Agree
and
just
to
be
clear
that
two-year
time
frame
allows
us
to
meet
the
state
statutes
that
are
required
for
a
project
of
that
nature,
just
in
terms
of
sql
and
environmental
review.
That
has
certain
built-in
steps
that,
just
by
a
function
of
state
statute,
various
steps
may
take
45
days
or
30
days
and
there's
a
series
of
those
throughout
the
process
that
elongates
that
period.
So
it's
not
just
something
that
staff
controls.
It's
something
that
staff
manages
in
terms
of
meeting
state
requirements.
D
Comment
we
just
want
to
kind
of
follow
on
points
to
what
mr
parker
was
saying.
One
of
the
benefits
of
having
the
system
is
permit
history
right.
So
if
you
have
a
piece
of
property,
you're
looking
to
buy
piece
property,
you're
looking
to
understand,
what's
happening
on
peace
property
being
able
to
go
in
and
pull
that
permanent
history
is
something
that's
a
more
manual
process
today
that
will
be
automated,
which
will
be
a
real
benefit
and
will
therein
save
staff
time?
The
other
thing
that
will
be
nice
is
a
triggering
within
there.
D
You
wouldn't
believe
how
many
times
you
get
applications
where
somebody
comes
in
and
starts,
work
on
something
and
then
disappears,
and
you
know
it
might
just
be
something
simple:
it
might
be
something
more
complex,
the
architect
may
they
may
fire
the
architect.
It
may
go
away
those
things
languish
and
so
having
a
a
pop-up
trigger.
Hey
it's.
You
know
30
days
here
it
allows
you
to
go
back
out
architect,
hey,
what's
what's
happening,
are
you
gun?
Do
we
need
to
move
this
into
a
to
a
different
case
file
that
is
dormant
or
what
so?
A
O
That's
why
I'm
asking
I'm
wondering
so
the
next
one
is
going
to
be
priority.
Setting.
O
Yes,
my
question
was:
is
going
to
be
about
the
the
town
hall
that
we
had
or
the
community
roundtable
I
should
say
dei,
and
maybe
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
mention
that
later
on.
O
I
ask
that
now:
okay.
Well,
first
of
all,
I
think
it's
great
and
I'm
glad
that
it
went
really
well,
and
I
wanted
to
basically
ask
in
conjunction
with
our
number
one
goal
that
we
will
be
discussing
later
on
the
possibility
of
moving
or
converting
one
of
the
current
commissions
to
one
that
can
be
sort
of
a
dei
round
table
that
we
started
on
april.
14Th
you
mentioned
melissa.
There
was
there
was
a
question
or
request,
maybe
for
city
or
proposal
for
city
hosted
cultural
events.
O
Yes,
is
this
community
roundtable
that
I
hope
will
move
into
a
more
higher
level
group?
Can
they
then
request
to
have
a
unity
sort
of
gathering
in
the
community
in
partnership
with
the
county?
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
because
we've
already
had
a
meeting
to
see
what
can
we
do
with
to
to
really
bring
the
community
together
later
this
year
and
rather
than
having
it
be
dictated
by
the
county
or
the
city?
Wouldn't
it
be
nice?
If
that
came
from
that
roundtable
discussion.
G
Right,
I
think
that's
always
a
possibility.
Should
council
choose
to
set
aside
budget
for
something
of
that
nature
and
provided
that
we
have
the
resources
to
put
that
together,
depending
on
the
scope
of
the
event.
So
that's
always
a
possibility.
I
think
I'm
kind
of
going
back
to
your
question
on
you
know.
Moving
forward
with
the
stakeholder
group,
we
consider
this
a
beginning
of
you
know
a
journey.
We
do
have
a
staff
committee
that
is
really
dedicated
and
committed,
and
it's
extremely.
G
I
was
extremely
pleased
as
to
the
number
of
folks
in
our
in
our
employee
base
who
who
applied
to
be
as
part
of
this
committee
and
are
really
dedicated
to
this.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
have
some
folks
that
will
be
happy
to
help
out
with
these
types
of
efforts
and
collaborating
with
the
community
groups
and
our
partner
agencies
to
come
up
with
ideas
such
as
this.
That
could
bring
and
unite
the
community
together.
But,
of
course
something,
as
you
mentioned,
would
take
a
budget
to
to
host.
M
Yes,
mr
parker
where'd
you
go
come
on
back
up,
come
on
down.
M
I
was
disappointed
to
hear
the
following
and
I
hope
it's
been
corrected
since
is
that
there's
something
called
plumbing
mechanical
and
electrical
that
needs
to
be
evaluated
on
a
project
whether
it
be
a
remodel
for
tenant,
improvements
for
an
office
building,
suite
or
a
house,
or
a
huge
project
like
an
apartment
building
years
ago
I
was
told
that
it
was
used
to
be
done
in-house
and
was
very
efficient.
It
was
done.
It
was
turned
over.
If
there's
any
changes,
you
can
do
it
over
the
counter.
M
M
So
let's
say
you
drop
off
your
plans
to
the
city
and
the
mechanical
people.
Plant
electrical
plumbing
and
mechanical
have
already
picked
up
so
you're
waiting
another
week
to
have
those
plans
picked
up.
Then
they
go
down
to
some
place,
some
black
hole
where
they
evaluate
it
and
then,
if
they
miss
the
friday
delivery
time
you're
waiting
another
week.
So
that's
another
two
week
delay
plus
the
time
it
takes
to
look
at
the
mechanical.
M
Some
developers
share
with
me
on
tenant
improvements
that,
because
of
delay
that
cost
them
sometimes
50
in
lost
rent,
because
that
stayed
stayed
vacant
and
I'm
thinking
from
a
businessman,
standpoint,
kind
of
an
mba
kind
of
systems
perspective
one.
Why
are
we
only
using
one?
Two?
We
have
ups
fedex
u.s
mail,
dhl
that
could
be
done
and
many
of
these
developers
said
they
would
be
more
than
happy
to
pay
for
that
kind
of
fee
to
go
down
there
and
have
it
shipped
that
same
day.
M
So
you
lose
that
week
of
perhaps
missing
the
deadline
and
I'm
thinking
to
myself.
If
we
only
have
one,
why
don't
we
have
two
or
three
and
why
aren't
they
more
local
so
that
way,
if
one's
busy
we
can
use
the
others
more
frequent,
pickup
times
and
delivery
times
or
perhaps
the
easy
stuff
we
can
do
internal.
So
it's
just
over
the
counter.
They
look
at
it.
We're
fine
sign
off
on
it,
the
more
complicated
stuff
send
it
out.
N
You
know
that's
a
great
point
and
it's
something
that
was
an
easy
fix
for
us,
so,
as
I
mentioned,
council
allowed
us
to
contract
with
outside
services
in
order
to
help
process
our
planning
applications
and
permits.
Currently
we
have
two
firms
under
contract
to
provide
consulting
contract
services,
so
there's
more
than
one
there.
Additionally,
just
in
terms
of
pickup
for
those
contract
services,
there
are
multiple
pickups
per
week,
one
of
the
things
that
drew
and
our
hr
team
mentioned
during
our
cdd
update
as
well
as
earlier
here
this
evening.
N
N
That's
one
of
the
30
positions
that
drew
mentioned
was
vacant
that
our
hr
team
is
working
on,
so
it's
an
ongoing
process
so
as
the
environment
for
development
changes,
we
maintain
our
nimbleness
in
addressing
those
issues
as
they
may
arise.
So
wherever
the
pain
points
are
either
for
council
or
the
public,
we
are
quick
to
remedy
that
remedy,
that
using
all
the
powers
within
our
control.
So
it's
definitely
something
that's
improved.
M
Excellent.
Thank
you.
The
next
question.
I
got
three
that's
number
two
here
bob.
The
second
question
is
that
I
I
heard
from
one
of
the
residents
that
they
had
a
new
air
conditioning
put
in
and
had
to
pull
permits
call
for
the
inspector
to
come
out,
which
was
two
or
three
days
later.
They
were
going
to
come
by
he's
out
in
front
of
the
house.
The
inspector
walks
up
and
says:
are
you
the
guy
with
the
air
conditioning
he
says
yes,
show
me
the
form
signs
it
gets
in.
M
M
M
How
did
things
go
went
well,
he
said
the
inspector
came
out,
but
funny
thing
is
never
got
up
on
a
ladder
to
look
at
the
work
along.
The
way
just
came
out
signed
it
on
the
good
name
and
faith
of
the
general
contractor.
That
was
putting
it
in
my
question
is:
why
are
we
paying
the
fees?
Why
are
we
asking
the
homeowners
to
pay
the
fees
for
an
inspection
when
an
inspection
is
not
taking
place?
That's
number
one
number
two:
why
are
we
not
bringing
inspections
to
the
21st
century?
M
Is
that
why
do
we
not
leave
the
inspectors
back
at
city
hall
contractor
calls
in
and
says:
could
you
send
me
a
zoom
link,
I'm
ready
for
an
inspection,
zoom
link's
sent
over
the
inspector
communicates
with
the
contractor,
saying.
Show
me
the
outside
of
the
house
now
walk
back.
Show
me
this
show
me
that
all
the
while
being
recorded
back
at
city
hall,
so
you
got
documentation,
it
was
done
and
what
it
looked
like
at
the
time
of
the
inspection
that
to
me
is
solid.
M
Next,
you
made
certain
that
one,
the
job
there
too
is
the
job
was
done
that
they
didn't
just
sign
off
and
then
jump
in
the
car
and
leave
and
go
to
the
next
job.
Third,
which
is
the
big
one,
is
it
makes
it
more
efficient
because
you
don't
have
inspectors
fighting
traffic
running
around
two
three.
Four
days
later,
some
reported
me
a
month
later,
the
inspector
got
out
to
the
location
to
finally
sign
off
on
the
job
you
could
have
inspectors,
tripling
their
efficiency
by
using
smartphone
technology.
M
We
moving
in
that
direction
because
government
is
doing
it.
Other
cities
are
doing
it.
Can
we
at
thousand
oaks
take
a
serious
look
at
using
smartphone
technology
in
this
way
to
make
it
more
efficient,
not
have
to
wait
and
to
to
keep
dr
helen
cox
happy?
It
reduces
emissions
and
so
forth.
So
that
way
we
help
with
greenhouse
gases.
I'm
just
trying
to
help
you
alan.
So
long
story
short
are
we
can
we
move
in
that
direction?
Are
we
moving
that
direction?
Is
it
worth
looking
at.
N
N
One
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
in
october
of
2021
when
we
brought
this
cdd
update
our
building
department
conducted
over
14
000
inspections
last
year,
that's
roughly
20
25
percent
increase
over
previous
years.
In
terms
of
inspections,
we
provide
a
quality
service
in
terms
of
building
inspections
in
general,
in
terms
of
using
smart
smartphones
or
other
technologies
similar
with
cameras,
it's
not
appropriate
for
every
type
of
inspection
in
every
type
of
situation.
N
Some
inspections
are
more
involved
than
others
in
a
level
detailed
required,
as
part
of
that
goes
beyond
what
a
smartphone
can
provide
goes
beyond
what
you
can
see.
You
know
on
facetime,
for
instance,
in
an
inspection
conducting
a
building
inspection
is
a
very
complicated
and
it's
a
profession
in
and
of
itself.
For
a
reason,
part
of
it
is
reviewing
plans
to
make
sure
that
they
match.
N
What's
going
on
in
the
field,
and
it
requires
the
interaction
back
and
forth
between
the
two
in
terms
of
how
that
relates
to
our
lms
process,
mr
deanda
can
help
explain
in
greater
detail
how
that
may
fit
into
lms
and
being
the
building
official.
He
can
maybe
elaborate
slightly
on
why
video
inspection
is
not
appropriate
for
all
situations.
M
J
So
so
thank
you
and
on
two
levels,
one
looking
at
what
the
industry
is
doing
from
the
building
standards
element
and
the
california
building
official
organization.
Definitely
that
is
something
we're
looking
into
the
new
standards.
Obviously,
the
technology
is
being
used.
How
we
can
incorporate
that
into
a
thousand
oaks
way
is
definitely
part
of
my
review
process
here,
as
I
kind
of
start
implementing
with
technology.
J
The
lms
system
is
a
core
function
of
that
and
at
the
moment
we
have
already
talked
to
tyler
technology
company,
and
I
they
we
understand
that
the
video
inspection
services
and
technology
software
is
in
their
roadmap,
so
they're
developing
that
as
well,
so
combining
the
statewide
industry
standards
with
the
development
of
the
new
technology
that
we
can
kind
of
marry
together
will
help
us
really
have
the
foundation
to
be
able
to
establish
something
like
that.
There
are
a
lot
of
intricacies.
J
Yes,
as
was
mentioned
by
mr
parker,
to
do
an
inspection,
it's
touch
site
and
feel
cameras.
Don't
always
give
you
that
third
level
perspective,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
could
do
for
the
majority
of
some
of
the
simpler
inspections
that
we
do
coming
down
to
really
learning
how
tyler
technologies,
software
that's
been
implemented
and
going
live
in
november,
and
how
the
roadmap
of
their
development
in
the
virtual
inspection
world
and
software
technology
can
be
incorporated
into
a
single
system
would
definitely
make
us
more
efficient
and
effective.
J
M
You
jesse,
I.
I
appreciate
that
mr
parker
I'll
get
with
you
afterwards
to
share
with
you
the
contact
information,
but
I
have
to
get
their
permission
first,
so
that
we
can
chat
with
them
and
share
that.
I
am
not
making
this
up.
It
is
real
and
I
bring
that
forward
to
you
as
a
way
of
making
us
more
efficient.
M
My
last
question,
if
I
may,
is
on
the
general
plan:
we've
had
a
number
of
people,
mr
powers,
that
have
come
forth
and
have
made
comment
regarding
people
with
disabilities
and
special
needs,
and
that's
not
being
incorporated
into
the
general
plan,
and
I
am
not
clear
of.
Could
you
please
tell
me
what
is
the
vision
of
the
folks
that
address
these
needs
and
want
that
part
of
the
general
plan,
I'm
not
clear
as
to
what
they
are
looking
for,
because
I
would
more
than
happy
to
accommodate
this
peoples
with
special
needs
and
disabilities.
D
I
think
what's
being
referenced,
is
varying
elements
of
the
general
plan,
there's
a
numerous
elements
attached
to
general
plan
and
I
think
every
one
of
those
various
components
have
some
area
that
touches
on
accessibility
and
whether
that's
in
our
built
infant
infrastructure
or
our
accessibility
to
public
meetings,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
are
elements
of
that
woven
throughout
the
general
plan
and
those
are
being
incorporated
as
we
go
through
the
draft
versions.
Right
now,.
P
I
think
we're
talking
a
little
bit
about
staffing
here,
so
it
would
seem-
and
I
remember
when
I
came
on
a
few
years
ago-
we
were
facing
a
impending
retirement
wave,
and
now
that
was
some
years
back.
Where
are
where
are
we
in
that?
Are
we
in
the
middle
of
that
retirement
wave?
Have
we
gotten
past
it
and.
D
To
now
that
number
shrinking
down
very
significantly,
but
we
were
prepared
for
that.
We
knew
that
that
was
we
knew
that
was
coming,
so
you
see
back
in
2016
41
now
that
represents
25
with
those
under
five
years
of
service
combined
together.
D
I
think
that
was
20,
33,
36,
roughly
36,
so
quickly,
you'll
see
within
a
short
period
of
time.
When
I
see
hr
director
tim
giles
coming
up
very
short
period
of
time,
that
will
be
a
majority
of
our
workforce,
and
so
that
is
the
challenge
that
we're
contending
with
right
now,
because
every
one
of
those
departures
results
in
recruitment.
D
If
we've
done
good
on
our
succession
planning
and
we're
able
to
hire
from
within
for
that
position
that
creates
another
vacancy
below
and
then
we
continue
to
cascade
forward,
and
that
puts
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
pressure
on
our
hr
team.
Mr
giles
anything
to
would
you.
Q
Younger
and
less
tenured
they
they
have
not
spent
as
many
years
with
the
city.
As
we
historically
have
seen,
we
we've
experienced
a
long
period
of
very
stable
employment
with
the
city
and
and
enjoyed
the
benefits
of
many
employees.
Who've
been
here
multiple
decades.
M
Q
That's
what
this
graph
is
is
designed
to
show
you
that
that
you
know.
Just
six
years
ago,
we
had
significant
portion
of
our
workforce
that
had
been
here
for
20
years,
which
creates
a
lot
of
stability,
a
lot
of
history.
People
know
why
things
are
the
way
they
are
and
you're
able
to
train
people
moving
through
that
you
see
from
the
the
standards
that
that
that
group
of
of
people
who've
been
here
over
20
years,
is
shrinking
and
shrinking
very
quickly,
and
that's
largely
the
retirements
that
you're
talking
about.
Q
Competitive,
it's
very
competitive.
We
for
some
positions.
Most
of
our
positions
we
have
large
pool
of
candidates
to
draw
from.
We
are
still
an
employer
of
choice.
People
seek
us
out
some
of
our
positions,
just
the
nature
of
the
industry.
There
are
very
few
people
in
those
positions
and
that's
been
some
of
the
challenges
with
the
community
development
department
in
looking
at
bringing
in
people
at
a
higher
level
who
there
just
aren't
as
many
of
them
around
anymore.
Q
It
is
all
people
who
are
coming
up
and
you're
looking
for
people
who
have
less
experience
than
we're
used
to
seeing
in
in
the
city
with
our
our
building
official
recruitment,
that
was
a
an
extremely
competitive
recruitment.
We
had
a
very
high
number
of
extremely
qualified
individuals
that
applied
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
been
able
to
secure
the
services
of
mr
deanda,
but
even
as
you
look
at
that
with
those
numbers,
many
of
the
people
that
were
in
that
pool
were
at
a
sunset
of
of
their
career.
Q
You
know
so
to
be
able
to
identify
someone
who's
going
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
contribute
on
a
long-term
basis
to
be
able
to
address
some
of
these
longer-term
issues.
That
council
is
identifying.
You
know
you're
you're,
asking
for
solutions
that
take
us
years
to
to
fully
identify,
develop
and
implement.
Q
You
can't
be
continuing
to
change
the
people
that
are
leading
that
through
the
time
that
you're
doing
that.
So
we
want
to
secure
people
who
are
able
to
to
be
able
to
committed
to
the
city
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
and
we
focus
a
significant
amount
of
effort
in
developing
our
workforce.
We've.
We
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
developing
the
talents
of
our
our
employees,
making
them
prepared
to
be
able
to
move
forward
to
make
them
where
they
don't
have.
Q
The
the
colleague
next
door,
who's
been
there
for
20
years,
we're
having
to
to
change
that
with
the
support
that
we
can
give
them
to
get
them
up
to
speed
much
more
quickly
and
to
develop
them
into
leaders
for
the
organization
so
that
they
will
be
there
on
a
longer
term
basis
and
they're
ready.
Then,
to
step
up,
as
we
continue
to
experience,
retirements
are.
Q
In
order
to
maintain
a
a
competitive,
be
an
employer
of
choice,
we
are
having
to
to
change
the
way
that
we
do
things
and-
and
I
think
that,
when
you
look
at
government
particularly
locally,
we've
led
that
we,
we
have
been
the
one
that
are
setting
the
standards,
but
we
we
get
outside
of
the
government.
We
work.
Q
You
know
in
industry
as
well
in
in
looking
at
the
talent
development
efforts
looking
at
the
different
programs
and
policies
that
we
can
put
together
for
employees,
making
sure
the
employees
feel
engaged
make
sure
that
we
have
a
diverse
workforce,
a
workforce
that
that
is
inclusive,
that
when
an
employee
shows
up,
they
feel
like
they
belong
and
and
having
those
kinds
of
of
sense
among
your
employees
gets
them
to
engage
that
much
more
with
the
city.
They
become
much
more
affiliated
with
the
city
they're,
going
to
stay
longer
periods
of
time.
I.
Q
Yes,
well,
we
yeah,
we
were
we
were
there,
we
were
seeing
it
and
it's,
as
I
think
we
mentioned
last
time
when
we
went
over
some
of
the
demographics
we've
been
very
fortunate
that
our
demographics
as
a
workforce
mirror
the
demographics
in
the
community.
So
we're
very
proud
of
that.
We
continue
to
to
do
that.
We
embrace
that,
but
we
want
to
take
that
next,
another
step
further.
Q
It's
not
enough
just
to
have
a
diverse
workplace,
but
have
those
those
employees,
particularly
of
the
diverse
employees,
feel
like
they're
part
of
the
city
they're
there
they're
contributing
their
their
contributions
are
valued,
and
so
we're
really
focused
in
on
on
those
efforts
in
in
bringing
the
workforce
along.
Thank.
D
They
may
have
been
in
another
process
at
the
same
time,
and
so
when
you
think
about
the
the
challenge
with
that,
you
go
through
a
full-fledged
process,
can
take
several
months
to
get
through
a
three-panel
interview,
reference
check
full
and
then
you
gotta
basically
get
to
a
place.
And
then,
if
you
don't
have
a
number
two
candidate
you're
back
in
that
again
and
that
that
is
where
it's
just
a
huge
challenge.
When,
though,
we
run
into
those
situations,.
C
D
D
Exactly
right,
you
know,
you
think,
about
the
waste
taller
stuff.
You
think
about
all
the
stuff.
It's
it's
you
know.
Creating
a
culture
of
responsiveness
and
within
the
organization
has
always
been
a
priority,
and
so
you
know
when
it
comes
to
business
issues.
Hater
alawami
is
really
the
ombudsman
when
it
comes
to
business
issues
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
issues
regarding
elections,
that's
cindy
and
laura
and
they're
constantly
running
around
questions
regarding
elections
when
it
comes
to
business
licensing,
we
have
somebody
in
customer
service
that
does
that
and
so
on.
C
C
C
Opportunity
yeah,
but
I
I
understand
I
don't
have
the
authority
to
request
that,
so
I
I
don't,
but
it
you
know
seriously
for
about
20
years.
I
was
a
consultant
and
I
dealt
very
extensively
with
our
city
planning
and
building
and
safety
people,
and
I
knew
them
all
by
name
and
they'd
been
there
40
years.
I
think
john
prescott
phil
gatch,
and
you
know
quite
often
that
is
helpful
in
the
sense
that
they
understand.
C
Sometimes
you
leave
a
meeting
and
you
wonder
if
anybody
ever
understood
like
I
leave
my
students
on
you
know:
does
anybody
ever
understand
what
we're
trying
to
get
across
here?
So
I
think
that
I
think
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
meet
face
to
face
along
with
some
things
that
can
be
done
online.
I
believe
absolutely
sorry
about
the
extension.
A
I
think
we're
at
a
point
now
where,
if
we
don't
have
any
other
questions
of
staff
on
some
of
these
items,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
with
our
start?
Our
priorities?
Because
we
do
have
some
people
out
there
waiting
to
speak.
D
So
what
you
might
want
to
do
is
go
public
speakers
pull
the
public
speakers
up
and
then
we
can
jump
into
what
we'll
do
is
pull
up
the
priorities
from
that
juncture
from
there.
A
Okay,
we
could
go
ahead
before
before
the
presentation
I
think,
just
in
terms
of
I
know,
people
have
been
sitting
on
their
their
comp
sitting
on
their
computers.
I
believe,
with
their
cameras
on
ed,
I'm
not
sure,
but
they've
been
out
there
online.
So
why
don't?
We
call
our
speakers
on
our
item
six
tonight,
which
are
our
study
session
on
on
the
goals
and
priorities.
A
R
Hello,
my
name
is
clint
folks,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
a
member
of
the
canado
climate
coalition,
I'd
like
to
commend
the
city
for
listing
environmental
sustainability
and
water
conservation
among
the
top
ten
city
goals,
and
that
completing
the
climate
and
environmental
action
plan
is
a
priority
for
this
fiscal
year.
It's
also
encouraging
to
see
that
addressing
homelessness
and
the
affordable
housing
crisis
are
among
the
city
council's
priorities.
R
We
would
also
like
the
city
to
work
with
other
purveyors
and
community
members
to
significantly
reduce
outdoor
water
use
at
businesses
and
residential
homes
through
multiple
means,
including
significant
education
and
outreach.
The
city
should
encourage
turf
removal
and
native
drought,
tolerant
landscaping
that
provides
co-benefits
to
nature.
The
city
should
make
modifications
to
city-owned
parcels
with
excess
turf
and
seek
to
collaborate
on
regional
solutions
that
reduce
future
reliance
on
the
metropolitan
water
district
and
that
capitalize
on
localized
water
supplies,
including
expediting
the
last
virginist
pure
water
project.
R
The
city
should
also
explore
sustainable
ground
water
sources,
storm
water,
catchment,
water
storage
and
reuse
and
gray
water
systems
in
large
buildings
and
complexes.
We
are
in
the
midst
of
a
climate
emergency
and
a
mega
drought.
Let's
make
addressing
these
crises
a
priority.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
B
Yes,
I
am
good
evening
mayor
engler
and
city
council
members.
My
name
is
faith
grant
and
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
speaking
about
the
2022-2023
goals,
city
goals,
also
as
a
member
of
the
canadian
climate
coalition,
a
group
of
local
residents
who
have
consistently
advocated
for
plans
and
policies
that
preserve
and
enhance
our
environment.
B
B
The
ipcc's
most
recent
regional
analysis
underscores
the
fact
that
our
current
climate
emergency
impacts
everyone.
Climate
change,
threatens
to
destroy
the
foundation
of
our
water
and
food
security
because
we
are
in
a
climate.
Emergency
ccc
would
further
encourage
city
council
members
to
take
bolder
steps
and
begin
approving
environmental
recommendations
and
decisions
proposed
by
our
city's
sustainability
division
in
advance
of
the
final
approval
of
the
climate
action
plan,
which
may
not
occur
until
late
2023.
B
B
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
carol
shelton
I
live
in
thousand
oaks.
I
am
a
single
parent
and
two
of
three
of
my
children
have
a
developmental
disability.
I
work
three
jobs
and
will
never
be
able
to
afford
to
purchase
a
home
in
thousand
oaks.
Even
with
this
overflowing
workload,
I
spend
my
spare
time.
Volunteering
for
adelante
community
thrive,
canejo,
kanejo,
nido
and
our
local
school
district.
I
also
volunteer
for
many
county
level
groups,
I'm
a
renter
but
invested
in
my
community
and
making
it
a
better
place
for
those
living
on
the
margins.
B
I
am
a
long-term
renter
and
I
live
in
constant
fear
that
I
will
lose
or
no
longer
be
able
to
afford
the
four-bedroom
apartment
we
are
in
right.
Now
I
have
three
jobs
and
I
will
never
be
able
to
purchase
a
home
and
thousand
notes.
Does
that
make
sense
my
boys
will
not
have
a
place
to
call
home
once
I
am
gone,
nobody
is
planning
for
children
like
mine.
B
They
will
never
be
able
to
afford
to
rent
anything
here
in
thousand
notes
unless
things
change.
Families
like
mine
are
rent
burdened
here
in
thousand
oaks.
The
bulk
of
housing
being
developed
is
workforce,
housing
and
unaffordable
to
so
many
of
us.
I
support
project
home
key,
but
this
is
not
the
solution
to
the
unhoused
or
homeless
residents
living
here
in
thousand
oaks.
This
project
is
for
a
very
specific
and
identified
group
of
individuals.
B
Currently,
300
students
have
unstable
unsuitable
or
no
housing
at
all.
What
about
these
families?
Can
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
do
more
than
explore
other
potential
affordable
housing
sites?
Our
community
is
counting
on
you
to
make
bold
moves
to
house
those
that
require
extremely
low,
low
and
affordable
housing
options.
I'm
a
single
parent,
I'm
responsible
for
ensuring
the
safety
of
my
children.
B
B
A
Thank
you
ma'am
in
the
audience
today
we
do
have
rosanna
guerra.
If
rosanna
could
please
come
up?
Thank
you.
B
Good
evening,
mayor
engler
and
city
council
members,
my
name
is
rosanna
guerra
and
I'm
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
council
on
aging,
as
the
chair
of
the
council
on
aging,
I
was
invited
to
attend
the
city's
dei
stakeholder
meeting
in
april.
I
was
encouraged
by
the
communication
and
interaction
that
took
place.
B
S
Good
evening
I'm
kyle
rohrbach
mayor
council
members
staff,
I'm
proud
to
live
here
in
thousand
oaks
and
as
you
embark
tonight
in
what
is
arguably
your
most
important
role
as
council
members.
I
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
issues
that
I
would
like
to
see
as
priorities
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
affordability,
because
it
is
one
that
is
personal
to
me
as
at
the
top
of
every
month,
as
I
watch
my
bank
account
sadly
drained
to
go
to
mortgage.
S
It
is
in
sacrifice
to
the
investment
that
should
be
going
towards
my
son's
future,
and
I
often
am
reminded
that
I
have
the
privilege
of
being
able
to
live
here
and
yet
I
then
remember
that
if
I
wanted
to
move
to
thousand
oaks
now
and
live
in
the
same
home
that
I
do
I
could
not.
I
could
not
move
to
the
city
that
I
love.
S
If
I
wanted
to
right
now,
I
had
an
opportunity
to
attend
the
regional
economic
forecast
featuring
dr
finep's
incredible
work,
and
it
was
made
clear
that
this
area
is
simply
not
affordable.
We
do
not
have
enough
housing
here
for
people
to
live
in,
and
this
is
a
city
that
prides
itself
on
its
unique
quality
of
life,
and
it's
one
where
we
have
to
recognize
that
this
quality
of
life
is
only
accessible
to
some.
S
This
also
extends
to
our
small
businesses,
which
I
know
you
know,
and
it
is
is
very
apparent
that
they
are
struggling
as
they
enter
year.
Three
of
the
pandemic
staying
open
is
harder
than
ever,
and
the
city
should
continue
to
do
everything
it
can
to
ensure
that
they
are
provided
the
resources
to
remain
open.
They
are
the
lifeblood
of
our
business
community.
Here
we
need
to
make
the
economy
of
small
business
a
priority.
S
There
are
so
many
innovative
solutions
that
make
accessing
a
a
suburban
city
like
ours
even
easier,
and
they
are
truly
astounding
whether
it's
talking
about
raised
and
protected
bike
lanes,
dedicated
walking
paths
greenways
or
ensuring
that
teo
transit
remains
affordable
and
efficient.
We
should
be
talking
about
all
of
it
and,
as
others
have
said
tonight,
we
must
integrate
climate
change
into
everything
that
we
talk
about
as
a
city.
This
is
a
city
that
has
had
more
than
half
of
its
residents
evacuated
due
to
fires
in
november.
S
It's
a
city
that
loses
power
anytime,
the
wind
blows,
and
it's
a
city
that
is
going
to
talk
about
the
most
strict
water
conservation
efforts
in
our
history.
Just
so,
we
have
access
to
basic
things
like
drinking
water
in
our
future.
S
S
E
One,
the
comprehensive
general
plan
update
the
city
has
spent
extensive
time
on
the
general
plan
process
to
date,
including
the
preferred
land
use
map
that
was
endorsed
by
the
council
last
may.
Completing
the
plan
with
all
the
elements
will
be
an
important
blueprint
for
the
city's
future
in
the
next
25
years.
E
E
E
These
additional
pre-streams
could
contribute
to
more
housing
units
to
help
meet
needs
for
our
employers,
as
well
as
our
community
members,
and
help
the
city
meet
their
arena
numbers
and,
finally,
number
five
re
engaging
in
the
creation
of
the
campus
master
plan,
as
the
biotech
community
continues
to
expand.
Creating
this
downtown
area
continues
to
be
an
important
component
of
our
future
workforce,
envisioning
themselves,
living
in
thousand
oaks
on
behalf
of
our
chamber
and
our
board
of
directors.
We
appreciate
your
consideration
of
these
priorities
that
will
support
your
local
businesses.
T
T
I
am
the
parent
of
a
child
with
developmental
disabilities
and
I
live
with
the
constant
worry
of
what
will
happen
to
my
child
after
I
die.
The
lack
of
affordable
and
supportive
housing
for
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
is
widely
recognized
as
a
national
crisis
in
the
disability
community.
T
Moreover,
rents
have
increased
in
thousand
x
by
19
percent
since
2019
exacerbating
the
problem.
My
daughter
and
I
live
in
a
one-bedroom
apartment
that
we
rent,
though
I
do
receive
a
small
income.
As
my
daughter's
home
care
provider,
there
is
almost
no
chance
that
we
will
ever
be
able
to
buy
a
home
here
in
thousand
oaks
unless
we
win
the
lottery
or
unless
the
city
changes
course
and
prioritizes
the
need
for
housing
at
all
income
levels
in
thousand
oaks.
T
T
I
would
also
love
to
see
a
proactive
strategic
plan
to
assess
local
needs
and
address
the
crisis
of
the
lack
of
supportive
housing
for
people
with
idd.
My
dream.
For
my
daughter
is
that
she
is
able
to
live
and
thrive
as
an
adult
in
the
city.
She
calls
home
where
she
is
attending
school
and
learning
to
live
as
part
of
our
community.
T
K
Good
evening
major
angler
members
of
the
council,
my
name
is
linda
carl,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
I
am
the
president
of
adelante
comunidad,
conejo
and
socha.
I
was
invited
to
the
community
meeting
on
april
14th.
K
I
am
pleased
to
see
that
some
of
the
points
that
were
brought
up
with
that
that
roundtable
conversation
are
part
of
the
priority
plan.
However,
I
still
feel
that
the
city
could
really
do
more
and
the
areas
that
I
would
really
hope
that
the
city
will
consider
as
real
top
priorities
are,
of
course,
the
issue
of
housing.
K
The
projects
that
are
being
brought
up
are
for
identify
populations
at
a
income
level
that
are
much
higher
than
other
residents
that
are
already
here
in
thousand
dollars.
The
low
and
extremely
low
income
earners
are
here
already,
and
we
know
of
I
personally
know
of
many
families
that
leave
two
three
families
per
unit.
That's
unconceivable
in
a
city
like
thousand
oaks.
K
Where
are
those
renters
gonna?
Go
if
any
given
day
their
buildings
where
they
live
currently
are
sold
to
new
developments?
They
will
not
be
able
to
afford
to
rent
another
apartment
here.
They
forget
about
buying
transportation
is
an
issue
that
is
very
personal
to
me.
I
am
also
the
parent
of
an
individual
with
motility
mobility.
These
needs
and
I'm
not
owning
a
wheelchair,
accessible
vehicle
myself.
It
creates
a
great
burden
having
to
depend
on
public
transportation
on
the
paratransit
services
that
in
the
whole
continent
let
us
live.
K
A
She
says
I'll
just
paraphrase
us
to
avoid
removing
trees
and
adding
a
a
place
where
in
our
dog
park,
where
there's
grass
that
the
dogs
can
use,
and
it
says
to
dress
people
who
idle
their
car
for
more
than
10
minutes
with
ghg.
So
that's
from
mrs
carol
gorman.
A
D
Citizens,
so
just
a
quick
check
in
with
the
council
is
everybody
good
and
restroom
break
or
anything?
Are
you
good?
Okay,
we
are
going
to
now
pull
up
a
list
of
of
the
priorities
that
was
correlated
in
based
on
the
rankings
that
each
of
you
have
provided
so
we'll
pull
those
up
on
screen
and
then
we
can
just
start
working
your
way
through,
as
we've
done
in
past
years,
and
mr
mayor
can
handle
that.
D
However,
you
want,
if
you
want
to
take
some
of
them
and
batch
them
talk
individually
about
others.
Augment
you've
got
any
approach
that
you
see
fit
there
are
these
are
in
stacked.
These
are
in
stack
to
order,
so
we'll
just
go
through
them
all
first
and
then,
and
then
come
back
through.
We've
got
homelessness,
followed
by
water
conservation,
comprehensive
general
plan
update
and
affordable
housing.
D
I
did
want
to
share
with
the
council
that
on
items
13
and
14
that
campaign
finance
is
slated
to
come
before
the
council
next
year
for
its
regular
consideration
for
a
cpi
adjustment
at
that
opportunity.
You'll
have
a
chance
to
direct
city
attorney
and
city
clerk
to
make
any
other
changes
or
amendments
you'd
like
to
see
in
the
campaign
finance
ordinance.
D
I
know
there
will
certainly
be
discussion
on
the
sign
ordinance,
but
just
for
the
council's
benefit.
We
do
anticipate
that
in
an
off
election
cycle
year
that
we
would
bring
an
update
on
the
sign
ordinance
to
the
council
as
well
to
seek
the
pleasure
of
the
council
based
on
current
case
law.
So
with
that,
we
can
take
it.
Mr
mayor,
however,
you
want
to
start
working
your
way
through
you.
Just
let
us
know,
and
we've
got
staff
to
answer
questions
if
there
are
any.
A
It
seems
to
me
that
the
best
way
to
to
I'm
sure
there's
just
a
reminder
to
my
colleagues
that
this
is
not
you
know
when
we
when
we're
doing
this,
we
we
will
wind
up
with
number
one
number
two,
but
that's
not
the
point
really
we're
just
looking
for
a
top
ten
type
approach
to
some
of
these
very
invaluable
things.
Yeah.
A
D
A
A
A
Very
good
colleagues,
do
you
have
any
ideas
of
how
you
like
to
go
about
this?
I
say
I
think,
going
in
reverse
order
will
leave
us
with
the
top
10..
So
if,
for
instance,
if
the
city
internship
program
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
move
into
the
top
10,
something
will
fall
out,
but
that
will
give
us
our
top
10.
bob.
I'm
actually.
M
Looking
at
this
thinking,
the
top
10
actually
is
a
good
list
and
the
others
that
again
13
and
14
side
ordinance
campaign
finance,
that's
going
to
be
taken
up
next
year
in
the
non-election
year,
so
those
could
be
removed.
The
only
one
in
question
then,
would
be
cultural
arts
and
library
and
city
internship.
Do
we
want
to
move
those
in
the
top
ten
and
bounce
something
else
out?
Well,.
C
D
C
C
D
E
Thanks
drew
so
the
city
internship
program
provided
internship
opportunities
for
local
high
school
students
at
various
work
sites
throughout
the
canejo
valley
about
two
years
ago.
The
program
was
put
on
hold
due
to
loss
of
funding
and
that
funding
was
a
critical
resource
to
cover
the
cost
of
liability
and
workers,
comp
insurance
for
at
locations
where
youth
were
participating
in
unpaid
internships
and
a
summer
school
class,
and
so
with
the
loss
of
funding
and
not
knowing
whether
or
not
the
grant
funding
would
return
there.
E
We
had
a
previous
staff
member
along
with
some
other
folks
who
began
exploring
other
options
and
since
that
time,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
there's
a
new
and
more
comprehensive
program.
Internship
program
that
is
being
launched
and
it's
called
the
career
hub.
The
co-founders
of
this
organization
have
extensive
experience
in
ventura,
county's,
education
and
business
sectors.
A
E
So
it
was
a
program.
Previous
previously
city
internship
was
a
city
run
program
along
with
the
school
district
and
the
ventura
county
office
of
education.
Now
this
is
a
new
organization,
a
startup
organization
that
has
kind
of
brought
together
a
variety
of
different
resources
and
created
a
comprehensive
program
to
provide
internships.
A
E
A
Hold
on
one
second:
claudia,
had
a
claudia
go
ahead.
O
M
O
All
right,
so
thank
you
for
that
update
because
that's
something
that
we
have
been
working
on
since
last
year
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
careerhub
is
making
progress
working
with
the
school
district
as
well
as
the
county.
I
believe
for
internships,
so
I'll
follow
up
with
the
two.
O
Ladies
that
you
mentioned
regarding
the
sign
ordinance
and
coincidentally,
I
received
an
email
from
a
resident
today
who
had
been
waiting
for
an
exclamate
explanation
of
the
sign
ordinance
since
2020,
and
apparently
we
didn't
get
back
to
her,
and
so
I,
regarding
the
sign
ordinance,
which
has
come
into
focus
much
more
this
year.
O
T
Well
again,
as
we
discussed
at
a
prior
city
council
meeting
after
the
garner
decision
city
council
adopted,
what's
called
a
substitution
clause
in
their
camp
in
the
campaign,
actually
it
throughout
the
entire
sign
code,
because,
as
mr
powers
indicated,
you
cannot
just
regulate
campaign
signs
that
is
content-based
so
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
that's
kind
of
the
desire
from
the
public,
but
that
is
not
constitutional.
So
if
the
desire
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
campaign
signs,
then
we'll
have
to
do
a
comprehensive
update
for
purposes
of
this
election.
O
L
T
So,
for
those
purposes
that
is
how
it's
being
enforced
there
there's
also
you
know
a
lot
of
signs
in
our
public
right-of-way,
which
we
have.
I
can't
remember
how
many
signs
we've
removed
just
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
but
we
do
continue
to
enforce
those.
We
remove
any
signs
that
are
in
the
public
right
of
way,
because
we
actually
have
a
distinction
in
our
sign
code
between
signs
on
private
property
and
signs
in
our
public
right-of-way.
T
So
the
substitution
clause
applies
across
the
board
to
campaign
signs
any
other
types
of
political
speech
and
we
can.
As
a
city,
we
have
completely
prohibited
any
type
of
signs
in
our
public
right-of-way,
be
it
commercial
speech,
political
speech,
campaign
speech,
any
type
of
first
amendment
activity.
O
Okay,
and
so
what
we
then
do
is
it
there
was
a
provision
45
days
and
is
that
going
to
apply
to
the
november
election
too?
I
mean
what
how
are
we
going
to
handle
with
with
those
signs?
I'm
only
asking,
because
there
were
so
many
inquiries
and
complaints
and
and
is
if
our
ordinance
is
still
the
way
it
is
written,
which
you
say
it
could
be
reasonably
interpreted
differently.
T
Not
a
matter
of
ignoring
it
with
the
substitution
clause.
Remember
the
substitution
clause
doesn't
say
you
can
put
out
a
po.
You
can
exercise
your
first
amendment
rights
during
certain
periods
of
the
year.
That's
I
mean
under
the
substitution
clause,
every
person
has
a
right
to
exercise
their
constitutional
free
speech
rights
365
days
a
year,
so
our
campaign
sign
ordinance,
says
45
days
after
the
garner
decision
and
then
actually
after
the
new
state
legislation
that
defines
when
a
campaign
occurs.
Arguably
I
can
put
a
sign
in
my
front
yard,
365.
O
D
T
T
P
Actually,
I
have,
I
have
a
couple
of
neighbors
who
have
a
political
sign
on
their
front
lawn,
as
you
say,
365
days
a
year,
it's
out
there.
So
I
mean
for
me
this
is
an
area
we
have
to
tread
very
lightly
very
lightly.
This
is
democracy
in
action
right.
I
know
some
people
feel
that
it's
sign
pollution.
I
don't
see
it
that
way.
I
see
it
as
democracy
and
democracy
can
get
a
little
messy
now
and
then,
but
people
have
a
right
to
express
their
opinions
and
we're
an
election
year
right.
P
A
A
O
A
Target
this
down
the
line
a
little
bit
to
be,
do
a
comprehensive
view
of
it
and
decide
signs
across
the
board
because,
as
as
our
city
attorney
tracy
says,
you
can't
have
one
set
of
rules
for
one
type
of
sign,
as
opposed
to
another
type
of
science.
No.
T
O
T
D
Very
good
so
and
just
to
remind
the
council,
what
that
will
look
like
next
year
is
is
a
two-step
process.
The
first
is
an
informational
item
to
counsel,
because
you
need
to
have
a
clear
lay
of
the
land
in
terms
of
what
is
involved.
So
once
we
start
talking
about
comprehensive
sign
orders
you're
talking
about
every
business
in
this
community
and.
R
D
Talking
about
small
and
large
and
and
all
of
those
pieces,
and
so
there
is
there's
a
lot
to
sort
of
take
in
and
so
there's
a
couple
directions
you
can
go
in
and
so
before
we
just
jump
into
a
you
know
full
board
decision,
which
you
know
that
a
comprehensive
sign
update
takes
a
significant
period
of
time
and
has
a
lot
of
different
components,
and
it
has
to
have
a
lot
of
outreach
with
businesses
when
you
start
talking
about
going
out
and
enforcing
there's
a
resource
allocation
issues,
all
those
different
things
so
we'll
do
it
as
a
two-step.
D
First
informational
provide
you
the
land,
give
us
a
direction
you
want
to
go
in
and
then
should
council
decide
that
you
want
to
go
that
direction.
We
certainly
think
that
would
be
a
a
good
priority.
That
would
be
a
priority
would
need
to
be
a
priority
because
of
its
level
of
commitment
for
the
following
year.
Well,.
A
I
think
coming
up
next
year,
we
can
maybe
give
direction
at
that
time
right
now.
I
think
we
have,
as
kevin
pointed
out
earlier
in
terms
of
the
things
we
have
already
kind
of
high
on
our
list
general
plan
and
and
community
development,
and
getting
our
bio
tech
hub
going.
A
Those
those
are
maybe
a
higher
priority
to
some
of
the
other
ones
at
the
bottom.
So
I
think
we
had
a
question
from
al
and
then
go
ahead.
No.
P
I
just
had
a
comment:
I
mean
I'm
comfortable
with
the
top
ten.
I
think
we
really
made
a
comprehensive
list
and
I
think
it
reflects
our
priorities
things
we
want
to
do
above
all
else,
the
the
four
here
on
the
screen.
We
can
easily
celebrate
the
library's
40th
and
not
necessarily
make
put
in
our
top
ten.
I'm
sure
we
will
city
internship,
ingrid
answer
that
and
sign
and
campaign
finance
will
be
looking
at
next
year.
P
M
M
D
I
think
I
can
certainly
say-
and-
and
I
know
our
chamber
presidents
here-
they've
had
dialogue
with
that
group
as
well,
so
I
think
part
of
these
types
of
groups.
They
rely
upon
commitments
from
a
lot
of
different
organizations
and
we
certainly
want
to
be
part
of
that
now.
What's
key
for
us
is
tailoring
that
experience,
so
you
know
we're
not
going
to
over
commit,
because
if
we
commit
we
want
to
ensure
that
it's
going
to
be
a
rich
experience
for
that
intern.
D
That's
involved,
and
so
we
intend
to
be
involved
so
from
a
soft
commitment.
Standpoint
yes
and
they're
coming
at
this
regionally,
so
amgen
is
interested.
We
have
a
lot
of
you
know
really
unique
groups
that
are
interested
in
being
involved,
and
so
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
make
this
really
to
be
able
to
go
out
and
do
a
career,
fair
and
and
have
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
like
that.
That
are
competitive
will
be
positive.
M
E
Yeah,
actually
working
in
the
city,
so
what
we've
done
previously
is
we
would
send
an
announcement
to
the
different
city
departments
to
see
if
anyone
had
opportunities
for
an
intern
to
host
an
intern
for
the
summer
provide
some
of
what
those
parameters
would
look
like.
We
don't
want
interns
there
to
file
papers,
we
want
it
to
be
a
meaningful
experience,
and
so
that's
something
we'll
continue
to
do
and
support
the
career
up.
M
My
discussion
with
the
biotech
hub
owners
managers
they're
doing
some
very
innovative
approaches
to
career
options
and
that
they
want
to
have
interns
come
in
from
the
high
schools
and
work
there.
So
when
they
graduate
high
school,
they
have
a
job
waiting
for
them
and
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
way
to
help
our
youth
stop
being
youth
and
become
adults
so
that
they
they're
not
waiting
until
they're
26
before
they
have
a
paying
job.
So
I
really
support
this
concept
of
a
city
internship.
M
A
Let's
get
ed
had
another
question
on
something,
then
we'll
get
back
yeah.
C
I
I
wonder
if
maybe
kelvin
or
helen
cox
would
like
to
comment.
We've
heard
you
know
quite
a
bit
about
our
current
drought
and
I
note
that
some
large
apartment
complexes
are
coming
to
us
in
the
near
future,
two
right
away,
which
could
be
several
hundred
apartments,
and
I'm
wondering
I
don't
want
the
staff
to
make
council
decisions
here.
But
I
wonder
how
much
if
at
all,
we
ought
to
take
the
current
water
shortage
into
effect,
as
we
consider
these
large
apartment
proposals
before
us
good
evening.
L
Mayor
council,
it's
nice
to
speak
with
you
tonight.
L
I
did
helen
actually
left
to
go
to
the
speakers
forum
tonight,
okay
and
she
was
anxious
to
do
that.
So
I
said
I
would
cover.
I
said,
I'm
sure
there
would
be
no
questions.
L
The
state's
primary
goal-
I
I
just
want
to
remind
the
council
that
50
of
the
water
use
of
any
given
residents,
is
50
to
70
percent,
is
outdoor
water
use.
Clearly,
as
we've
heard,
the
state's
priorities
are
to
provide
housing
and
they
have
set
the
priority
to
provide
housing
over
the
priority
for
outdoor
watering.
L
And
so
when
we
talk
about
those
developments,
they
you
know
when
you
talk
about
more
dense
and
developments,
they're
very
efficient
in
water
use
and
they
don't
use
a
lot
of
outdoor
water.
So
we're
not
too
concerned
about
those
and
the
states
really
the
state's
really
the
one.
That's
not
too
concerned
about
those
and
we're
just
following
their
their
lead.
At
this
point,.
A
Yeah,
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
that
one
question
and
from
my
perspective
we
have
several.
You
know
we
don't
live
in
a
vacuum,
in
other
words,
we're
not
we're
not
handling
a
water
problem,
we're
not
handling
a
traffic
problem,
we're
not
handling.
We
have
a
lot
of
problems
to
try
to
address
to
me.
A
How
do
you
address
a
housing
problem
we
heard
from
folks
tonight
who
came
and
testified
during
public
comments?
Many
of
those
were
having
to
do
with
housing
and
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
the
housing
directed
for
people
with
disabilities
and
that
sort
of
comments.
So
we
have
we.
How
do
we
address
this
housing
issue
in
the
most
efficient
way?
A
The
most
efficient
way
from
a
water
perspective
is
the
multi-residence
type
things
that
we
have
before
us
now
we'll
be
talking
about
a
couple
of
projects
coming
to
us
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
So
that's
that's.
We
can't
we
can't
divorce
the
problems.
We
have
to
look
for
problems,
ways
to
solve
problems
concurrently.
A
P
Actually,
the
the
least
efficient
way
is
the
way
this
has
prevailed
upon
our
community
for
decades,
the
single
family
home
planned
community
with
the
big
lots
and
the
big
lawns,
the
big
houses.
That
is
not
the
way
these
days
to
conserve
water.
I
I'm
not
suggesting
we,
you
know,
alter
our
neighborhoods
and
make
them
any
denser.
But
when
you
talk
about
housing,
the
the
most
conservative
way
to
use
water
without
question
is
a
denser
housing
unit,
whether
it's
an
apartment,
complex
condominium,
complex
or
whatever
it
is.
As
bob
says,
we've
got
a
housing
crisis.
P
We've
had
people
testify
in
front
of
us
for
months
and
months
and
months
about
the
need
for
housing,
especially
affordable.
So
we
got
a
few
projects
coming
up
with
an
affordable
component
and
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
M
M
I'd
like
you
to
fill
in
any
details
as
I
go
through
this
one,
is
that
I'm
going
to
put
on
my
water
science,
professor
hat
and
talk
about
water,
and
that
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
two
aspects.
One
is
defensive
and
that's
conserving
as
much
as
you
can
changing
your
lawns
over
reduce
the
amount
of
watering
you
do
and
so
forth.
The
other
is
proactive
and
the
proactive
side.
M
As
you
and
I
have
discussed,
we
had
a
terrific
meeting
last
week
at
callegas,
with
the
manager
there
and
the
assistant
manager
and
discussed
options
and
choices
to
be
smart
about
our
water
usage
and
one
aspect
that
we
need
to
talk
about
and
john
feel
free
to
jump
in
here.
If
you
wish,
is
that
the
water
coming
out
of
our
wastewater
plant
is
actually
high
quality
water.
M
M
M
M
So
maybe
between
simi
valley
thousand
oaks
and
cayegas
we're
able
to
put
an
ro
plant
up
at
the
plant.
We
just
pump
our
water
up
there.
They
in
turn
treat
it
put
it
in
lake
bart
and
bring
it
back
again
and
pay
thousand
oaks
residents
and
semi
residents
for
the
water
instead
of
paying
metropolitan
water
district.
M
M
Fortunately
met
with
callegas
manager
at
the
time,
peggy
mulligan
and
then
also
j
spurgeon,
who
was
your
predecessor
and
came
up
with
a
solution
for
redundancy
so
that
way
we
don't
get
cut
off
from
los
angeles
water
in
the
time
of
an
earthquake,
and
we've
led
to
some
very
good
things
that
are
happening
today.
M
So
I
think
we
have
defensive
and
we
also
have
to
be
proactive,
reactive,
we're
already
doing
proactive.
We
need
to
move
forward,
but
my
council
members,
we
need
to
move
forward
on
this
and
we
don't
need
to
delay
because
water
is
going
to
become
more
and
more
scarce.
So
mr
finley,
please
comment
on
this.
L
Yeah,
I
just
you're
absolutely
right
and
in
fact,
kaia's
just
completed
their
water
supply,
alternative
study,
which
came
up
with
actually
140
possibilities
for
expanding
the
regional
water
supply
which
which
we've
realized
regional
solutions,
are
more
cost
effective,
typically
and
and
and
really
serve
everybody
we
gotta.
This
is
a
this
is
a
problem
you
can't
solve
by
yourself.
L
One
of
the
things
we
are
bringing
before
the
council
in
the
next
month
is
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
actually
all
of
our
neighboring
agencies,
callegas
camarosa
and
las
virgini's
municipal
water
district,
which
even
though
they're
the
neighbor
they
are
in
l.a
county.
But
yet
we
are
we're
we're
bringing
this
mou
together,
and
it's
really
the
first
time
that
all
those
groups
have
cooperated
together.
In
fact,
cayegas
is
just
completing
a
project
with
an
internet
interconnect
for
with
lost
virginia,
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
L
We
are
coming
to
council
to
get
your
authorization
to
sign
that
mou
and
we
are
we're
meeting
with
them
on
a
monthly
basis,
proactively
to
find
solutions
for
our
water
supply.
I'd
like
to
say.
M
I've
really
thoroughly
enjoyed
working
through
this
process
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
notter
our
brains
behind
this
with
his
engineering
background
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
you
do
with
this.
There
are
answers
here
and
we
just
need
to
find
out
which
is
best
for
the
city
and
the
region.
Yeah
kevin.
I
think.
A
We
shouldn't
take
anything
off
the
table
and
in
using
this,
this
regional
approach,
I
think,
will
benefit
us
all
all
if
you,
if
you
pardon
the
the
comparison
all
boats
will
rise
on
that
tide
of
saved
water.
So
I
think
that
we
can't
we
our
goal.
I
think
mentions
that
a
lot
of
the
different
things
that
we're
talking
about
here
as
many
of
the
things
we
need
to
look
at
and.
M
Let's
just
be
proactive
with
our
council
when
they
do
come,
come
to
light.
Thank
you,
mr
finley.
Chief,
this
one's
for
you.
M
M
Previous
residents
here
who
enjoyed
the
bike
patrol
here,
lapd
who
are
on
bike
patrol?
They
say
it
gives
them
a
certain
level
of
communication
with
the
business
owners
and
the
community
that
they
are
out
of
their
patrol
car
they're,
actually
accessible.
They
can
talk
to
the
shop
owners,
the
consumers,
the
residents
the
people
are
in
the
park
and
it
allows
a
lot
of
approach
to
the
officers
to
report
issues
going
on
because,
when
you're
in
a
vehicle
when
you're
in
a
patrol
unit,
it's
real
hard
to
oh
come
on
over
talk
to
me.
M
M
I
was
doing
some
shopping
for
you
the
other
day,
because
I'm
spending
city
money
here
and
I
took
a
look
at
the
e-bikes.
They
have
that
do
28
miles
an
hour
and
they
charge
for
about
18
hours,
which
more
than
covers
a
shift.
I'm
sure
we
could
put
lights
in
the
siren
on
there
if
we
needed
to,
but
it's
one
where
that
would
be
a
wonderful
option,
but
we
do
have
regular
pedal
bikes.
I
understand
over
stored
over
at
city
hall.
M
What's
your
approach
with
policing,
I'm
not
trying
to
tell
you
how
to
do
policing,
but
I'm
just
giving
you
feedback
from
the
residents
talking
to
other
officers
and
myself
in
law
enforcement
retired,
I
like
bikes,
not
exclusive,
but
it's
another
tool.
What's
your
approach,
what
are
your
thoughts
on
bikes
coming
part
of
gopd.
L
So
we
used
to
have
a
bike
team,
as
you
have
mentioned,
that
bike
team
was
really
effective
at
a
time
when
we
were
experiencing
some
crying
trends
on
specifically
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
where
the
bikes
were
a
great
solution,
crime
changes
we
have
different
and
it
goes
back
and
forth
that
team
developed
into
what's
called
the
direct
enforcement
unit
and
they're,
currently
working
on
a
whole
bunch
of
range
of
projects
that
we're
having
including
homelessness,
is
part
of
the
problem.
They're
tackling
neighborhood
disputes.
Things
like
that.
L
We
have
really
two
units
of
the
department
that
we
at
that
we
use
for
really
flexible
means
one's
a
special
enforcement
unit,
the
others
the
directed
enforcement.
You
know
which
I
just
spoke
about.
We
certainly
if
we
look
at
and
see
a
need
where
the
bicycle
patrol
would
be
effective.
L
We
would
bring
that
back
and
we
have
that
ability
to
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
pull
them
off
important
crime-fighting
projects
that
they're
on
to
to
be
on
bicycles,
where
it
may
not
be
as
effective
for
the
current
crime
trends
we're
having.
So
that's
something
we
watch
for
crime
trends.
If
we
start
to
have
a
lot
of
crime
that,
where
bicycles
be
effective,
I've
worked
bike
patrol
in
camarillo
for
a
long
time.
L
It's
it's
very
good
for
lots
of
things,
but
when
your
criminals
are
in
cars,
it's
amazing
how
fast
they
disappear
from
you
when
you're
in
a
bicycle
right,
we
we
so
so
there
was
a
time
on
thousands
boulevard
where
they
were
really
really
effective.
We
can
we
can
look
at
that
again
and
see,
but
from
what
I
know
right
now
it
wouldn't
be.
It
would
be
a
probably
an
ineffective
use
of
the
officers
to
put
them
back
on
bicycles
at
this
time
with
the
crime
trends
we're
experiencing
right
now.
Let.
M
Me
share
an
observation
for
you.
Last
year
I
put
together
a
presentation
for
the
at
the
police
department
about
license
plate
readers
and
inviting
business
owners
to
understand
that
technology
and
how
they
can
use
that
in
their
own
parking
lot
or
in
their
stores
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
to
help
reduce
crime.
As
I'm
walking
up
and
down
moore
park
thousand
oaks
and
west
lake
boulevards
passing
out
flyers
talking
to
the
managers
and
assistant
managers.
M
M
M
Same
thing
right
into
the
store
vaughn's
on
jans
of
moorpark
had
five
thousand
dollars
worth
of
liquor
taken
out
of
their
store
into
the
back
of
a
car
and
off
they
went
I'm
just
saying
that
bike
patroller,
I
think,
would
be
very
effective
in
that
area
and
there's
a
lot
more
crime
going
on
than
the
police.
We
actually
know
by
my
talking
to
the
various
business
owners
and
that's
where
the
bike
patrol
could
come
in
where
they
can
actually
communicate,
like
I
did
with
managers
and
assistant
managers,
just
a
thought
for
you.
A
I
know
that
one
of
my
council
members
would
like
to
make
a
motion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
ingrid
a
quick
question
on
our
what
was
a
very
important
thing
from
last
year,
our
dei
initiative
from
last
year-
and
we
had
a
great
presentation
tonight
on
that,
just
because
it's
not
in
our
you
know
visible
in
our
top
10
tonight.
Does
that
now
go
away
or
how
do
we
continue
on
with
it.
E
No,
absolutely
not
mayor
that
remains
the
city
councils
and
the
city's
number
one
goal,
so
that
will
we
will
continue
to.
You
know,
work
on
the
efforts
that
melissa
has
mentioned
and
we
will,
you
know,
continue
to
meet
with
the
community
stakeholders
and
we'll
continue
doing
the
work.
That
is
your
number
one
goal,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
work
around
that
goal.
A
P
Sure
mayor,
thank
you,
yeah.
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
putting
this
list
together.
It
takes
a
lot
of
thought
a
lot
of
time
and
it
is
a
very
good
list
and
I
think
it
addresses
all
of
our
concerns
and
I
look
forward
to
working
on
it
the
next
year
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
staff's
already
got
a
jump
start
on
just
about
every
one
of
the
priorities,
and
with
that
I
would
like
to
move
that
we
do
adopt
these
10
items
as
our
priorities
for
2022
and
23.
A
We're
advancing
the
10
to
come
back
for
a
official
vote
and
another
later
meeting
any
comments
from
my
com
from
my
colleagues
up
here.
A
C
D
A
A
We
are
going
forward
now
with
our
our
highest
priorities
and
I'm
sure
there
might
be
some
or
that
creep
in
over
the
year,
but
I
believe
that
this
is
a
good
start
for
us
and
I
thank
the
staff
for
what
will
be
their
willingness
to
take
this
on
very
good
with
that.
So
mayor.
D
D
Just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
the
city
council
and
thank
the
team
that
was
here
in
the
community
for
their
contributions
and
sticking
with
us
through
what
was
an
incredibly
busy
year.
D
It's
an
ambitious
work
plan
for
the
year
ahead
and
look
forward
to
jumping
right
into
that
which
we
will
do
next
week
with
a
presentation
on
the
drought
and
then
the
subsequent
meeting,
with
a
hearing
on
the
kmart
site,
imt
proposal,
so
that
the
work
will
start
very
very
quickly
and
just
a
reminder
to
the
just
reminder
to
the
public
that
we
do
have
a
meeting
next
week.
D
The
24th
so
back-to-back
weeks
because
of
our
changed
schedule,
and
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
be
hearing
we'll
be
calling
the
general
election
we'll
be
providing
an
update
on
water
conservation
and
we'll
be
initiating
a
discussion
on
sb9
as
well
as
hearing
some
updates
from
the
skag
conference
in
the
california
cities
summit.
That's
it.
O
I
do
have
a
question
regarding
item
four,
and
we
heard
testimony
from
several
residents
this
evening
and
mr
powers
also
addressed.
It
is
affordable
housing
that
includes
housing
for
those
who
have
disabilities
and
what
would
be
the
best
way
to
approach
that
we
have
only
about
two
facilities
or
buildings
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
which
house
people
with
disabilities.
D
Exactly
so
as
it's
raining
and
was
saying,
it's
a
different
category
of
housing
right
or
you
know,
memory
care
and
other
you
know
types,
so
it
certainly
can
be
included
as
a
form
of
ranking,
as
she
was
saying
to
look
at
those
opportunities
and
where
those
those
needs
exist,
and
I
think
there
already
be
some
mechanism
as
part
of
the
general
plan
where
that'll
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
gaps
and
deficits,
the
in
terms
of
the
projects
that
are
moving
forward
now.
Obviously,
it's
a
specialized
type
of
of
service,
and
so
we
hater
alawami.
D
Our
economic
development
manager
is
aware
of
that,
and
so,
as
we
get
inquiries
consistent
with
that,
it
is
something
we're
certainly
trying
to
work
through
and
facilitate
much
as
we
do.
We
hear
similar
things
about
other
assisted
living
type
uses,
and
we
do.
You
know,
try
to
facilitate
that.
O
Sf
village
is
one
of
those
facilities,
and
I
think
is
that
not
a
converted,
hotel
motel
for
sf
village
is
was
my
thought
it
well.
We
can
recall
I
just
wanted
to
be
on
the
radar
for
a
further
discussion.
Maybe
we
can
convert
other
motels
into
that
sort
of
housing
if,
if
possible,
thank
you.
I
A
We
can
move
for
our
adjournment.
We
have
a
another,
regular,
regular
meeting
on
the
24th.
We
don't
have
to
vote.
No.
This
is
a
referral
to
we.
We
will
come
back
with
a
consent
item
that
will
have
us
voting
on
a
consent
item.
D
A
Next
next
year
round,
but
the
so
we
will
again
get
a
chance
to
vote
on
this
on
a
consent
item
coming
up
the
next
few
meetings,
so
we
don't
really
need
to
vote
on
it
tonight.