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A
Oh,
I
think
kristen
you
need
to.
A
B
A
Matt,
I
need
to
say
something
really
quickly
before
we
start
okay,
so
everybody
is.
C
C
A
Okay,
I
just
want
to
say
something
really
quickly.
We
do
have
spanish
translators
available.
You
can
go
to
the
spanish
room
by
clicking
the
english
room
down
at
the
bottom,
and
I
do
want
to
ask
anna
to
come
in
really
quick
if
she
can
do
that
and
say
that
in
spanish.
C
Okay,
kristin
as
we're
getting
started,
are
we
supposed
to
have
something
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen
that
allows
for
spanish
for
interpretation.
A
C
On
my
screen,
it's
the
button
is
interpretation,
so
you
might
be
able
to
find
that
okay
can
I
I
don't
have
that.
Can
you
all
hear
me.
A
C
C
Okay,
all
righty
so
good
morning.
Everyone
welcome
to
this
question
and
answer
session
office
hours
for
the
for
the
the
general
plan
alternatives.
You
know,
we've
had
a
number
of
these
sessions.
This
is
actually
the
fourth
of
four
sessions
that
we're
having
so
I
know
we've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
in
previous
ones.
I
recognize
some
familiar
faces,
slash
names
here.
C
What
I'd
like
to
actually
do
to
to
start
out
is
to
go
around
and
just
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions,
so
everyone
can
say
who
they
are
if
folks
are
comfortable
turning
on
their
their
screen
when
they
say
hello,
that
would
be
great.
If
not
that's
fine
too,
and
why
don't
we
start?
So
I
will
start.
I
again
have
recognized
many
of
you.
I'm
matt
ramey
with
raymond
associates
we're
the
lead
consultant
on
the
project.
Let's
go
through
city
staff,
next
kristen.
A
Sorry
still
doing
things
in
the
background:
kristen
bryce
senior
planner
on
the
general
plan
team.
A
B
Sorry,
I'm
I'm.
A
C
F
C
Okay,
now
tabitha's
wearing
two
hats
with
this
thanks
tabitha
for
overseeing
this
okay,
let's
keep
let's
go
through
I'll,
just
sort
of
go
through
the
list,
as
I
see
them,
kenneth.
G
G
I
was
on
the
cable
committee
back
in
the
90s
and
then
became
the
chairman
of
the
cable
committee
when
there
were
various
competing
cable
companies
trying
to
gain
a
foothold,
a
thousand
oaks.
So
that
was
an
interesting
experience.
G
Subsequent
to
that,
I
worked
on
making
sure
the
two
million
dollars
worth
of
funds
coming
out
of
the
dos
munitos
project
were
allocated
to
the
improvements
of
the
sports
fields
and
the
three
high
schools
in
the
area.
G
So
that's
that's
my
connection
with
city
government
and
I'm
quite
interested
in
the
obviously
the
future
of
thousand
oaks,
and
it's
obviously
come
a
long
way
since
I
first
moved
here
and
that's
why
I've
taken
the
deep
dive
into
all
the
information
that
you've
provided
on
the
website
and
and
I'm
now
junior
it's
last
encounter
with
the
group.
I
have
a
couple
questions,
but
I'll
remain
in
the
audience
until
it's
q
a
time
great.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
I'm
pete
daredex.
Currently
I
am
a
full-time
residential
realtor
with
century
21
everest,
which
used
to
be
troop
real
estate,
been
practicing
real
estate
here
in
ventura
county
for
21
years,
been
a
ventura
county
resident
since
coming
to
california,
lutheran
college
in
1970
and
then
living
out
at
the
beach
communities
from
1975
to
about
1990,
where
I
was
a
broadcaster
owning
an
fm
radio
station,
96.7,
kxps
and
also
being
city
council
appointed
at
the
for
the
oxnard
tourism
bureau.
F
B
A
C
H
I've
been
a
resident,
that's
no
problem,
I
get
it
hour
by
hour,
but
anyway,
I've
been
a
resident
since
1978.
I've
been
very
active
in
the
city
in
many
different
ways,
particularly
measure
e,
and
I
continue
to
be
interested
in
slow
growth,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
A
A
C
You're,
we
can't
hear
you
are
you
in
the
english
room,
so
at
the
at
the
bottom
there
should
be
an
interpretation
button
and
if
you
click
that,
then
you
hit
english.
I
Hey
good
morning,
everybody,
my
name
is
andrew
quo.
I
am
one
of
the
heads
of
the
grace
star
office
here
in
los
angeles
county,
we're
an
owner
operator
of
residential
real
estate,
and
I
will
admit
I
am
not
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks,
but
we
own
many
properties
and
do
a
lot
of
work
in
ventura,
county
and
see.
Thousand
oaks
has
been
a
city
we'd
like
to
do
some
work
in
the
future.
C
Great
carol,
carol,
mcnutt
there's
a
couple
carols
here
good
morning.
C
B
B
Oh,
that's
great,
that's
good!
I
guess
it
just
took
a
while
for
the
english
to
kick
in,
so
my
name
is
leanne
holland
and
I'm
a
resident
of
newberry
park.
B
A
fairly
recent
transplant
lived
here
since
2015,
and
I'm
the
leader
of
a
grassroots
community
group
called
thrive
canejo
and
we
are
advocates
for
inclusive
education
in
canao
valley,
unified,
school
district,
particularly
for
students
with
disabilities,
and
so
I'm
really
interested
in
issues
of
equity
and
inclusion.
Thank
you.
C
A
B
B
B
They
were
wanting
to
develop
all
of
wildwood
park
either
for
homes
or
golf
courses,
so
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
our
open
spaces
and
slow
growth,
as
as
frank
mentioned,
I'm
really
concerned
with
the
height
of
our
buildings,
especially
because
of
our
fire
department
and
the
other
infrastructure.
So
I
know
that's
supposed
to
be
at
a
later
date,
but
anyway
that's
my
concern.
So
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
all
right.
All.
A
Right,
hi,
jorge
luciani,
I've
been
a
resident
of
newberry
park
for
over
10
years.
I
learned
about
all
of
these
through
actually
the
acorn
I
became
interested
and
and
read
the
alternatives
and
read
about
in.
I
will
feel
the
survey
and
I'm
at
10,
because
I
I
to
myself
well
it's
the
opportunity
to.
I
don't
think
that
there
is
nothing
broken
in
in
our
community,
but
it's
an
opportunity
to
make
it
even
better.
C
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Let's
see
judas,
I
see
that
you
joined,
you
could
introduce
yourself.
B
Yes,
my
name
is
judas
busiac.
I
am
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
He
was
here
in
1988,
took
a
four
year
leave
and
came
back
in
97..
I
am
a
volunteer
nurse.
I
volunteered
for
25
years
in
the
community
with
las
robles
and
free
clinics,
and
I
am
very
interested
in
finding
out
what
is
going
on
in
our
city.
I
was
originally
worked
a
while
back
on
open
space
and
with
the
community,
and
now
I'm
back
involved
in
the
political
side
and
the
community
side.
C
A
C
I
can
I
hear
what
everyone
else
in
the
city
is
interested
in
with
regards
to
the
land
use
alternatives,
okay,
sean.
A
Good
morning,
shamrodian
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
President
of
thousand
rooks
boulevard
association.
I
want
to
take
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
some
of
our
residents
stakeholder
comments
and
thank
staff
and
raymond
associates
for
a
wonderful
job.
They've
been
doing
with
the
outreach.
C
Okay,
thanks
sean,
let's
see
carol
shelton.
B
My
name
is
carol
shelton
and
I've
lived
in
thousand
oaks
for
about
40
years
in
the
80s
ish.
I
am
interested
in
learning
about
this
and
kind
of
diving
in
head.
First,
I
am
on
the
leadership
team
of
thrive
kaneho,
along
with
leanne
holland,
and
I
also
serve
as
one
of
the
vice
presidents
of
adelante
community
and
so
I'm
interested
in
equity
and
con
and
inclusion
for
families.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
we
are,
we
are
not
hearing
you,
we
can
come
back
if
you,
if
you
are
able
to
to
speak,
we
can
have
you
introduce
yourselves
so
again.
Thank
you
all
for
joining.
If
this
is,
as
some
of
you
have
mentioned,
it's
a
really
important
task
that
the
city
has
before
it
in
terms
of
thinking
about
its
general
plan,
the
land
use
element
and
the
land
use
map
has
really
not
been
looked
at
since
and
uncomprehensively
updated.
C
Since
1970,
when
the
general
plan
was
first
adopted
for
the
city
we
have,
as
you
all
know,
we
have
a
briefing
book
that
has
three
different
concepts
for
for
potential
growth
in
the
city
that
was
developed
out
of
the
community
engagement
process
that
occurred
over
a
year
and
a
half.
I
know
that
some
of
you
are
new
to
the
process
and
and
welcome
we're
glad
that
you're
here
and
we're
glad
that
you're
participating.
C
But
you
know,
please
know
that
this,
where,
where
we
are
today,
is
a
result
of
a
year
and
a
half
of
work,
we
welcome
all
comments
and
we
expect
that
the
the
alternatives
and
are
going
to
shift
from
what
we
have
presented
it
may
be
one
of
the
three.
It
may
be
a
combination
of
the
three
and
it
may
have
new
ideas
put
in
by
the
time
it
goes
to
the
council,
which
is
going
to
be
in
the
spring.
C
What
we
want
to
do
today
is
to
answer
questions
that
you
have
we.
This
is.
This
is
not
about
advocating
individual
points
on
this
call,
the
way
that
we
are
going
to
be
receiving
feedback.
The
only
way
we
are
going
to
be
receiving
feedback
is
through
the
online
survey,
as
well
as
any
written
comments
associated
with
the
briefing
book
that
is
online,
which
includes
the
map.
C
You
know
potential
changes
to
the
map,
so
you
know
I'm
you
all
are
welcome
to
you
know,
free
to
say
what
you
would
like
to
say
and
comments
that
you
want
to
make.
But
but
please
know
that
this
is
not
an
opportunity.
We
are
not
going
to
be
writing
down
the
direction
and
reporting
on
the
direction
of
the
comments
that
are
made
in
this
meeting.
It's
really
about
answering
questions.
C
So
with
that,
I
am
just
going
to
open
it
up.
I
think,
if
you
want
to
say
something,
if
you
could
either
kind
of
wave-
and
I
will
see
you
or
or
raise
your
hand,
that
would
be
great
and
again
we
will-
we
will
do
our
best
to
answer
whatever
questions
that
you
have:
okay
carol,
we
are
ready
to
hear
you
scream
again.
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
now
well
enough?
Okay,
since.
B
Since
the
landowners
are
the
ones,
as
my
understanding
goes
from
listening
to
all
the
presentations
and
the
office
meetings
since
the
landowners
have
the
right
to
say
yes,
I
want
to
redevelop
or
no,
I
don't
want
to
redevelop.
B
What's
the
percentage,
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
boulevard,
there's
so
much
redevelopment.
So
what's
the
percentage
of
the
people
on
the
boulevard
that
have
said
yes,
I
want
to
redevelop
my
property
and
also
when
they're
redeveloping
are
they
leaving
like,
let's
say,
for
example,
where
tarantula
hill
brewery
is,
would
they
leave
that
existing
and
then
build
on
top
of
it
or
would
they
wipe
it
out.
B
C
Well,
so
that
you
know
the
question
is
once
and
let
me
it's
a
really
good
question:
it's
really
about
how
planning
happens,
how
planning
and
then
development
happens
in
any
city,
not
just
thousand
oaks.
Essentially,
the
general
plan
lays
out
the
vision
for
the
future
of
the
city
and
the
the
broad
rules
on
what
should
happen.
It's
really.
C
All
of
the
details
about
what
you
actually
see
as
the
building
on
the
ground.
It
is
up
to
individual
property
owners
throughout
all
of
the
you
know.
You
know
tens
of
thousands
of
parcels
in
the
city,
whether
it's
on
the
boulevard
or
elsewhere,
about
whether
they
choose
to
develop
or
propose
development
on
on
their
parcels
and
then
when
they
do,
they
have
to
conform
to
the
regulations.
C
In
the
zoning
and
in
the
general
plan,
so
you
know
the
question
is
what
percentage
of
parcels
or
how
many
parcels
you
know
we
haven't
surveyed.
But
if
you
look
along
the
boulevard,
a
very
small
number
have
come
forward
with
proposals,
and
that
was
even
after
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
Specific
plan,
which
was
in
kristin
helped
me
with
this
2015
is
that
when
that
was
in
ian
when
that
was
adopted.
C
So
you
know
it's
been
five
years
and
there's
only
been
a
couple
of
projects
that
have
have
come
forward,
as
even
you
know,
potential
projects
there
have
been
a
few
others
that
have
that
have
happened,
and
so
you
know
that's
the
process,
essentially
it's
up
to
the
individual
landowners,
but
we
don't
know
exactly
how
many
would
redevelop
and
a
lot
in
my
experience,
doing
planning
all
across
the
state.
Ultimately,
it's
very
few
that
will
choose
to
redevelop
their
properties.
C
Okay
is
there
another
question
I
heard
someone
chiming
in
this
is
sean
roddy.
F
Thank
you,
first
of
all
for
putting
this
together
and
giving
the
community
a
chance
to
communicate
one
of
the
concerns
that
that
I
have
being
a
a
lifelong
southern
california
resident
growing
up
in
pasadena
initially
and
watching
the
210
freeway
being
built
and
traveling
up.
You
know
the
101
when
it
was
just
a
two-lane
highway
and
always
having
the
construction
on
it.
F
What,
if
any
coordination
is
there
with
the
infrastructure
and
the
extra
pressure
on
the
highways
and
the
freeways
our
offices
used
to
be
at
the
corner
of
thousand
oaks
and
moore
park
pretty
much
across
from
tarantula
hill
brewery
and
that
development
really
didn't
have
enough
parking?
F
There's
no
parking
behind
it
and
there's
a
challenge
with
parking
along
the
boulevard
there
more
park
at
thousand
oaks
more
park
at
jans
moore
park
at
arbor,
less
I
have
a
17
year
old,
daughter,
who's,
a
senior
at
thousand
oaks
high
school,
where
our
offices
are
now
in
westlake
village,
at
the
corner
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
west
lake,
when
west
lake
high
school
gets
out,
traffic
is
horrendous.
Currently
and
if
you're
planning
on,
if
you
figure
two
cars
per
household
plus,
you
got
an
additional.
F
What
6
000,
plus
cars
that
are
going
to
be
on
the
road
and
what
and
what?
What
type
of
of
a
plan
is
there
and
is
the
state
planning?
Any
type
of
commitment
to
you
know
to
to
give
us
enhanced
infrastructure
moving
from
one
community
to
the
other,
because
whether
it's
camarillo
or
ventura
or
or
further
down
south
west
lake,
as
as
more
cars,
are
on
the
101,
you
can't
even
get
out
of
town
on
a
friday
going
north.
It's
it's
like
we're.
F
C
Okay,
do
you
is
there?
Is
there
a
question
embedded
in
that
that
I
could.
F
Yeah,
what
what
what
resources,
what
what
changes
are
going
to
be
because
it
seems
like
we're
doing
this,
because
the
state's
saying,
if
you
don't
add
this
additional
housing,
we
are
going
to
withhold
money
for
you
and
yet
we
don't.
I
don't
see
us
having
the
roads,
whether
it's
highways
or
local,
to
really
support
these
extra
houses.
C
Okay,
so
so
a
couple
of
things,
so
one
is
that
that
traffic
is
a
regional
issue
and
not
a
city
issue
for
the
most
part,
so
that
the
101,
whether
someone
a
jurisdiction,
builds
in
in
camarillo
or
ventura
or
west
lake
there's
people
moving
up
and
down
the
101.
The
state
is
growing
and
the
state
has
been
growing
and
the
highway
101
is
a
is
a
you
know
in
the
other.
Regional
freeways
are
regional
challenges.
C
There
is
not,
as
you
know,
you
know
sufficient
transit
to
support
some
of
that
growth,
but
essentially
it
comes
down
to
caltrans
decisions,
because
101
is
a
caltrans
freeway.
C
C
The
majority
of
the
infrastructure,
the
majority
of
the
roadways,
are,
are
not
impacted
for
the
majority
of
the
time.
So
you
can
look
at
that
sort
of
time
lapse
of
when
it
is.
You
know
clearly
as
one
of
the
ways
that
you
know
where
right
now
we're
talking
about
vision
overall
for
the
city
and
where
growth
goes
and
there's
different
ways
of
allocating
that
growth
and
once
we
have
that
and
and
we're
looking
at
sort
of
vision,
so
that's
full
build
out.
C
Once
we
have
that
nailed
down,
we
then
go
dive
a
little
bit
deeper
and
look
at
what
the
next
20
years
might
look
like,
which
is
a
you
know,
much
more
limited
amount
of
growth
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
and
then
that's
when
we
look
at
the
infrastructure
numbers
associated
with
that.
One
of
the
things
he
mentioned
is
about
schools.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
talking
peter
one
of
the
things
that
we
mentioned
about
about
schools.
Schools
are
a
problem
everywhere
when
a
school
gets
out,
it's
an
absolute
mess
because
everyone
drives
to
school.
C
C
That's
not
what
I
said
so
what
I,
what
I
said
was
we're
in
a
planning
process
that
we
have
right
now,
and
so
what
we
are
doing
is
we
are
identifying
potential
locations
and
potential
patterns
of
growth
in
the
city.
Once
we
have
the
potential
patterns,
we're
then
going
to
look
at
where
we
expect
growth
is
going
to
go
in
the
next
20
years,
which
gets
into
a
little
bit
of
carol's
question
about.
How
do
we
know
who's
going
to
build?
C
There
has
to
be
transportation
analysis
to
make
sure
that
there
is
you
can
access
the
the
area
now,
one
of
the
things
that
happens
when
you
actually
look
at
a
do
a
general
plan
a
lot
of
times,
there's
transportation
impact
fees
that
are
associated
with
it,
so
that
the
city
is
looking
over
all
of
the
transportation
system,
the
infrastructure
system
and
sets
impact
fees
in
order
to
meet
the
growth.
That's
there
and
then
that
money
gets
charged
to
the
developers
in
the
form
of
impact
fees.
F
F
C
It's
we
don't.
We
haven't
predicted
that,
but
the
the
number,
let
me
just
say
that
the
number
that
the
state
for
housing
units
that
we
have
to
identify
space
for
this
isn't
built
identify
space
where,
in
case
someone
wants
to
build,
is
20
about
2
600
units.
C
So
this
this
is
not
a
guarantee
of
development,
and
what
we
found
is
that
you
know
some
jurisdictions
will
exceed
that
number
and
some
will
not
many
will
not,
and
so
it
is.
It
is
not
that
the
city
is
required
to
build
that
and
is
required
to
grow
in
a
certain
way.
It's
that
the
city
is
required
to
identify
an
amount
of
of
space
to
allow
housing
to
be
built.
F
C
Well,
ian,
why
don't
you
answer
about
what
was
in
the
last
cycle
about
what
was
a
lot?
What
was
identified,
what
we
had
to
identify
as
the
city
and
then
what
was
actually
built.
E
Okay,
well,
as
far
as
what
was
identified
hold
on
a
second,
let
me
I
need
to
grab
that
real
quick,
but
I
just
I
think
I
want
to
be
help.
People
be
clarified.
I
mean
the
the
arena
is
2600
units,
however,
that
is
broken
up
almost
into
equal
parts.
As
far
as
affordability
goes
and
to
carry
that
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
that's
required
in
the
arena,
we're
going
to
be
identifying
more
than
2600
units
of
space
on
the
map.
There's
there's
there's
no
way.
E
You
can
just
exactly
point
to
2600
units
on
the
map
and
let
it
go
because
the
state
will
not
buy
it
because
to
your
question,
the
production
rate
never
meets
what
is
planned
for,
and
you
know
in
this
last
cycle,
the
city
has
built
about
700
units
and
when
I
say
cycle,
the
housing
cycle
is
the
last
eight
years,
so
on
average,
it's
less
than
100
units
a
year
is
what
the
production
has
been.
E
I
believe,
as
far
as
what
we
and
we
only
had
to
provide
255
units,
the
last
cycle
and
part
of
that
was
due
to
well,
but
we
identified
well
over
that
a
number
of
units
we
had
about
575
underutilized
sites
and
we
had
about
700
vacant
sites,
predominantly
single
family
lots,
but
you
know
those
those
were
identified
on
a
map,
so
you
know
so.
Basically,
we
we
produced
a
little
bit
over
half
in
general
terms,
but
we
no,
we
didn't
meet
any
of
our
affordability
requirements.
C
And
so
so,
essentially,
the
pace
of
development
even
from
when
an
idea
happens
and
is
presented
to
council
to
when
it's
approved,
is
a
couple
years
or
a
year.
So
I
mean
the
pace
of
development,
it's
really
slow.
You
said
you
were
in
real
estate,
so
you
know
you
know
if
you
kill
them.
So
yes,
so
you
know
the
way
that
from
conception
all
the
way
through
it
takes
a
long
time
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
money
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
effort.
C
So
you
know,
I
think,
really
it's
important
to
remember
that
that
where
there's
it's
any
change,
that's
going
to
happen
is
going
to
be
a
very
slow
evolution
over
time,
a
very
slow
evolution,
and
so
that
gives
time
to
be
able
to
think
about
about
infrastructure
as
well.
C
A
C
A
Yeah
within
the
10
years
of
the
specific
plans
inception,
which
allows
for
mixed-use
development
across
three
miles
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
We
are
just
nearly
completing
lupes,
which
is
a
1710,
that's
36
units
and
299,
which
is
across
from
transula
hill,
it's
142
units,
so
collectively
in
10
years,
less
than
200
units.
Thank
you.
C
C
G
C
Oh,
I
might,
I
might
be
missing.
No,
I
see
I'm
sorry
all
right
so.
B
Silvana,
I
have
just
a
clarification
that
I
wanted
to
ask,
so
I
think
you've
said
that
to
get
the
arena
numbers
that
we
need,
the
density
has
to
be
high
and
from
what
I
understand
part
of
the
there's
two
parts
to
that.
I
think
part
of
the
reason
is
that
high
density
incentivizes
the
builder
so
as
you've
said
it
pencils
out,
but
then
I
think
there
was
another
part
of
it
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
remember
what
that
was
or
was
that
the
only
is
that
the
only
reason.
C
So
that
yeah,
so
you
know,
I
guess
a
couple
of
things,
so
you
know
the
overall,
the
the
state
through
the-
and
I
you
know
we're
a
lot
of
this-
is
focusing
on
on
what
the
state
is
saying
to
do,
and
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
other
thoughts
and
concepts
that
go
into
the
city
itself
and
where
the
city
wants
to
grow
and
how
it
and
how
it
pays
for
its
services
and
what
the
vision
is
and
what's
going
on
with
retail,
that
that
we
haven't
discussed
yet,
which
are,
I
think,
more
important
than
the
state
saying
you
have
to
do
a
certain
number
of
units,
so
the
but
what
you're
asking
about
is
is
a
couple
of
things.
C
So
one
is
that
with
the
arena,
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation,
which
is
that
2600
units
it
allocates
those
into
different
affordability,
levels,
very
low,
low,
moderate
and
above
moderate,
and
for
the
very
low
and
the
low
you
need
to
have
a
minimum
density.
You
need
to
allow
a
minimum
of
30.
You
know
to
allow
30
units
an
acre
to
be
developed
and
that's
the
state.
That's
the
state's
proxy
for
affordability,.
C
B
A
C
Yeah
sure,
but
but
but
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
unless
you,
unless
you're
an
affordable
housing
developer.
Who
has
lots
of
money,
then
from
outside
sources,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
build
it.
C
There's
two
step:
there's
two
separate
things
going
on
with
this,
so
one
is
you
need
you
need
to
allow
30
units
an
acre
to
meet
the
arena
requirements?
So
that's
one,
okay,
the
other
is
that
as
densities
increase,
it
becomes
easier
to
build
the
product.
Now,
if
you
all
remember,
if,
if
you
haven't
actually
seen
this,
there
are
presentations
that
we
gave
at
the
general
plan
advisory
committee,
I
think
it
was
in
february
of
last
year
which
showed
that
that
building
form
and
density
are
two
very
different
things.
C
So
there's
a
number
of
density
and
a
density
number
which
is
is,
is
different
than
what
a
building
looks
like
you
can
have
small
units
in
a
small
building
and
it
can
be
very
high
density,
and
so
we
see
that
a
lot
with
like
senior
housing,
where
you
see
three-story
senior
housing
projects,
which
are
you
have
low
parking
requirements
and
very
small
units
and
the
the
densities
are
100
units
an
acre.
C
So
you
know
we
we
can
get,
we
can
and,
and
then
some
of
it
is
how
big
is
the
lot
that
goes
into
that,
because
the
density
is
based
on
the
lot
size.
So
if
you
have
a
lot
that,
for
example,
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
that
goes
up
into
the
hills,
but
you
can't
build
on
part
of
that.
You
know
your
your
effective
density
is
low,
even
if
you
might
have
a
bigger
building
or
you
could
have
a
smaller
building
on
a
small
lot.
C
Myself
included,
like
it's
almost
impossible
to
look
at
a
building
and
understand
what
the
density
of
that
building
is.
So
you
know,
I
think
you
then
want
to
think
about
what
is
it
that
you
want
to
achieve
in
the
city?
If
you
want
to
achieve
affordability-
and
you
want
to
have
a
diversity
of
housing
types,
you
need
to
enable
those
things
to
happen,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
in
the
process
that
people
want
to
allow
at
least
some
diversity
of
housing
in
the
city.
C
They
want
it
to
remain
predominantly
single-family,
but
to
enable
some
diversity
of
housing
so
that
that
people
who
work
in
the
city
can
also
live
in
the
city
right
now,
there's
an
incredible
mismatch
between
who
work,
who
can
work
in
the
city
who
works
in
the
city
and
who
can
afford
to
live
here
and
that
actually
peter?
That
goes
to
your
point
about
transportation
and
people
on
the
roadways.
C
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
on
the
roadways
who
are
living
in
in
camarillo
and
oxnard
who
come
into
the
city
to
work
because
they
are,
they
cannot
afford
to
live
here.
So
again,
there's
all
of
these
factors
that
sort
of
relate
to
one
another
that
that
address
these
issues
and-
and
we
have
to
look
at
them
and
that's
the
complicating
aspect
of
this,
because
we
have
to
look
at
these
at
these
issues
holistically,
okay,
sylvana
peter.
C
B
Thanks,
no,
I
it's
just
I
yeah.
C
Okay,
kenneth,
actually,
yes,
kenneth
you're
next
hi
matt.
G
This
relates
to
measure
e,
because
I'm
looking
at,
I
was
looking
at
and
heard
your
community
workshop
back
in
february.
Second,
and
one
of
the
slides
on
a
measuree
says
no
net
increase
in
residential
capacity
of
commercial
lane
area
above
1996
general
plan
use
map.
G
E
Well,
if
you
increase
the
overall
capacity,
it
does
so.
The
overall
capacity
for
the
entire
city
is
roughly
81
000
units.
So
as
long
as
the
land
uses,
you
know,
the
acreage
of
the
different
land
use
categories
do
not
exceed
that
capacity
in
any
kind
of
shape
or
form.
You
do
not
need
to
go
to
a
vote
of
the
people.
G
And
I'm
assuming
that
would
put
a
damper
on
any
effort
to
increase.
That
capacity
is
the
fact
that
you'd
have
to
put
it
to
a
vote
at
the
city
level.
I
mean
I'm
assuming
that
you
know
the
measuring
attempts
to
restrict
that
or
prevent
any
changes
in
that
by
requiring
an
amen
that
amendment
be
approved
by
the
voters,
so
that
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that
would
discourage
any
effort
to
make
a
change
according
to
measure.
G
A
C
Sorry,
sorry,
kenneth,
I
interrupted
you
so
you
know
what
I'll
just
tell
you
sort
of
what
our
what
our
approach
was
overall,
which
is,
as
as
ian
said,
that
we
looked
based
on
attorney
interpretations.
We
look
at
measure
e
as
an
overall
cap
of
the
number
of
units.
F
C
So
that
number,
as
ian
as
ian
said,
is
81
124
units
based
on
the
analysis
done
by
staff
from
the
1996
land
use
plan
right
now,
there's
48
000,
there's
48
000
housing
units
in
the
city.
I
I
you
know,
we
can't
decrease
the
number
of
units
because
of
state
law.
We
can't
increase
it
because
of
measure
e,
so
we're
really
trying
to
hit
81
124.
C
C
There's
a
if
you
go
on
the
on
the
on
the
website.
There
is
a
analysis
done
by
city
staff
and
I
believe
it
was
2017
looking
at
essentially
theoretical,
build
out
of
the
city
that
was
reviewed
and
approved
by
the.
C
And
that's
all
that
we're
talking
about,
and
you
know
it's
been
81
184
since
the
city
was,
you
know,
incorporated
and
look
where
we
are
now
like.
I
don't
think
again
this
these
are.
These
are
theoretical,
build-out
numbers
that
are
never
going
to
be
achieved.
Every
city
has
a
theoretical
build-out
number:
that's
never
going
to
be
achieved,
so
the
question
really
becomes
the
sort
of
realistic
build
out
which
goes
again
to
you
know,
carol's,
very
insightful
question
at
the
beginning
about
okay.
G
B
Thank
you.
So
forgive
me
if
this
is
a
rather
naive
question,
but
I'm
still
very
new
to
this
process
and
figuring
things
out.
B
B
I'm
wondering
if
there
are
examples
of
other
cities
that
we
have
looked
to,
who
have
done
a
really
good
job
at
balancing
sort
of
the
preservation
of
the
community
that
exists
that
people.
You
know
that
people
love
here
in
thousand
oaks,
while
also
doing
a
really
great
job
of
creating
that
equity
planning
and
affordable
housing
and
making
space
for
those
in
our
community
who
have
been
historically
underserved
and
marginalized.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that
that
have
done
that.
I
I
think
the
the
question
of
are
they
successful
is
really
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
and
some
people
will
say
yes
and
other
people
will
say
no
right.
So
you
know
I
I
so
what
what
I
think
as
an
example
might
not
actually
be
what
other
people
think
of
examples,
so
I'm
always
sort
of
hesitant
to
give
an
example
of
like
this
is
a
great
example
because
someone's
like
no,
that
was
terrible.
C
So
you
know
there,
it
is
it
is,
you
know
a
lot
of
times
what
what
we
as
planners,
try
to
do,
which
is
to
and
that's
what
the
general
plan
is
about.
The
general
plan
is
really
about
preserving
what
is
great
in
the
community
and
what
is
wonderful
and
addressing
the
challenges
that
we
have
and-
and
one
thing
we
know
about,
cities
is
that
they
are
not
that
they
change.
We
cities
always
change
whether
they're
there
they
evolve,
whether
they're
evolving
in
a
positive
direction
or
a
negative
direction.
C
They're
always
of
all
or
neutral
direction.
They're,
always
evolving,
and
the
question
that
we
have
before
us
is:
how
can
this
city
evolve
in
a
way
that
meets
the?
You
know
that
that
preserves
the
things
that
you
all
love
about:
the
community
that
the
character
of
the
single
family
neighborhoods,
the
general
low
scale,
the
open
space?
You
know,
while
addressing
some
of
these
concerns
that,
like
that
peter
brought
up
about
traffic
congestion
and
how
people
move
around
and
affordability
and
access
right.
C
So
that's
really
the
balance
that
we
have
and
every
city
is
unique
and
different
and
every
city
does
it
differently.
So
I
you
know
I'm
a
little
hesitant,
but
there
are.
There
are
plenty
of
places
that
that
do
this,
it's
pretty
common,
a
common
approach
to
really
look
at
at
the
single
family
areas
and
generally
try
and
keep
them
as
they
are
and
then
focus
development
in
mixed
use
or
multi-family
development
at
three
to
four
stories
in
a
smaller
area
of
the
city,
because
it
brings
people
close
together.
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
andrew.
I
Thanks
matt
I've
got
a
sort
of
two-part
question,
one
more
general
and
then
one
more
specific
in
you
know
reviewing
the
alternative
land
use
plans.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
adjust
any
of
these
three
as
this
process
moves
forward
with
you
know
both
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council?
I
I
ask
because
you
know
we
actually
believe
very
strongly.
There
are
opportunities
for
housing
that
are
actually
quite
suitable
for
residential
uses
that
currently
aren't
identified
as
such
in
these
alternatives-
and
you
know
you
know,
the
zoning
propose
and
the
alternatives
wouldn't
allow
for
for
those
uses.
C
Yeah,
so
you-
and
this
is
you
know,
andrew,
not
just
for
you,
but
for
everyone.
We
have
these
three
alternatives.
Each
alternative
has
we've:
we've
looked
at
it
separately
by
each
of
these.
Essentially
five
sub-areas.
C
We,
the
survey
asks
questions
to
kind
of
tease
out
what
people's
direction
is
and
what
they
want
to
see
for
those
different
sub-areas.
We
then
take
all
of
that
information
and
try
to
pull
it
together
to
create
a
preferred
alternative,
which
is,
it
may
be
one
of
the
three
of
those.
Much
more
likely.
C
It's
going
to
be
a
combination
of
the
three
plus
suggestions
that
people
have
had
that
aren't
in
any
of
the
three
alternatives
and
the
best
way
for
folks
to
provide
those
comments
is
to
go
to
the
maps
on
the
which
are
part
of
the
briefing
book
and
to
identify
specific
parcels
or
areas.
If
you
have
a
different
vision,
if
you
see
something
in
all
of
the
alternatives
generally,
that
you
don't
think
should
be
that
way,
you
can
mark
it
on
the
map
and
we
will
see
all
of
those
comments.
C
So
if
you
think
there's
a
place
where
there
could
be
housing,
go
ahead
into
that
map
and
do
that,
if,
if
others
see
places
where
you
think
there
shouldn't
be
housing,
go
in
on
the
map
and
mark
that
and
we
will
look
at
those.
I
Okay,
that's
very
helpful,
and
then
I
guess
more
specifically
in
reviewing
the
alternatives.
How
did
you
all
assess
and
view
the
sort
of
the
easternmost
changed
area
with
regard
to
to
residential
opportunities?
Now
that
was
one
where
currently
zone
a
little
bit
more
industrial
and
a
lot
of
housing
opportunities
were,
you
know,
left
to
the
other
change
areas.
C
Yeah
well
so
the
what
we
heard
so
there
are.
There
are
opportunities
for
housing.
Overall
in
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
city
that
we
have
presented
in
the
different
alternatives,
we
did
look
the
other
so
they're
there.
C
You
know
the
other
is
that
having
a
robust
job
economy
and
a
significant
number
of
jobs
in
the
city
was
one
of
the
other
pieces
that
came
out
one
of
the
other
concepts
that
came
out
of
the
of
the
the
public
process
and
and
the
a
lot
of
the
ideas
that
that
evolved
were
essentially
thinking
about
the
city.
Almost
like
you
know,
like
a
dumbbell
in
a
way
where
you
have
rancho.
C
Canejo
has
a
very
heavy
jobs
focus
and
then
the
east
side
has
areas
with
a
heavy
jobs
focus,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
city
wasn't
only
kind
of
moving
to
residential
and
we
weren't
taking
away
the
job
producing
lands
to
be
able
to
to
to
provide
housing.
We
thought
that
there
were
areas
that
were
acceptable
for
housing.
That
would
produce
a
lot
of
benefits,
while
also
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
preserved
those
job
producing
areas,
because
that's
one
of
the
main
ways
of
tax
revenue
coming
into
the
city.
C
Like
I
said,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
specific
comments
or
suggestions,
then
I
would
go
ahead
and
mark
those,
and
we
can
take
those
into
consideration.
I
Definitely
and
I'll
provide
some
of
those
comments
in
the
in
the
document
and
just
one.
Last
last
note,
you're,
probably
aware
that
the
baxter
office
site
will
that's
currently
zoned
for
industrial,
be
going
in
front
of
council
tonight
for
a
pre-screen
and
that's
sort
of
consistent
with
other
sites,
we've
reviewed
in
that
general
area
and
that
there's
sort
of
excess,
undeveloped,
underused
land
that's
available
and
for
which
you
know
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Industrial,
new,
industrial
or
retail,
don't
make
sense,
not
necessarily
feasible.
I'm
just
curious
whether
you
guys
are
you're
taking
live.
I
C
Well,
you
know,
as,
as
you
know,
a
pre-screen
is
not
a
an
approval
of
that.
It's
just
the
ability
to
move
forward
and
for
the
city
to
consider
it.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
would
need
to
get
direction
from
the
city
and
the
city
council
on
that
particular
property
about
how
we
should
address
that.
So,
ultimately,
I
think
what
what
we're
going
to
do
in
our
process
is.
C
This
is
very
much
a
public
process
where
it's
all,
driven
by
the
comments
that
we
have
received
and
heard
overall
by
the
public-
and
you
know,
there's
thousands
of
people
who
have
participated
in
this
process,
and
we
have
you
know,
I
believe,
400
plus
our
who
have
already
responded
to
the
survey.
So
you
know
we
will
then
take
that
and
put
it
forward
and
ultimately
it's
the
city,
council,
planning,
commission
and
city
council's
decision
on
what
to
do
with
our
recommendations,
on
what
we've
heard
and
then
other
things
such
as
pre-screens,
okay,.
C
Okay,
peter
you
had
your
hand
up
next,
you
were
next
in
law,
yeah
and
and
then
frank.
F
So
I
guess
my
question
is
a
little
bit
twofold
is
that
obviously
westlake
and
thousand
oaks
are
so
intertwined
and
with
the
development,
and
I
understand
that
some
of
the
proposed
redevelopment
is
on
the
town's
townsgate
section
of
thousand
oaks
correct,
we're
looking
at
rezoning.
Some
of
that.
C
So
are
we
looking
at
so
it
is
a
an
alternative
that
we
that
we
put
forward
to
test
whether
people
think
it's
actually
viable
for
residential
or
mixed
use,
or
whether
it
should
stay
as
as
as
in
you
know,
industrial
and
sort
of
its
current
capacity,
or
whether
the
intensification
should
actually
stay
as
jobs,
but
maybe
allow
some
more
intense
jobs.
F
And
this
is
all
opposed
to
responses
on
the
survey
and
things
like
that,
which
I'm
glad
has
been
mentioned
several
times,
and
I
can
alert
people
as
well
that
I
work
with
into
that
regard.
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
there
any
coordination
between
the
two
cities
between
westlake
and
thousand
oaks?
As
far
as
things
are
moving
forward,
since
we
are
so
interrelated?
F
E
Well,
I
mean
we
have
not
coordinated
with
them.
I
mean
I
think
at
this
point
you
know
their
land
use
patterns.
You
know
they
do
join
the
areas
of
you
know
some
of
the
suggested
changes
as
well.
E
However,
I
would
in-
and
I
actually
I
have-
I've
looked
at
their
land
use
map,
but
no,
we
have
not
consulted
with
them.
So.
E
Today
and-
and
actually
let
me
just-
and
I
don't
think
and
they're-
not
updating
their
general
general
plan
right
now
so
typically
like
when
cities
are,
you
know,
kind
of
maybe
on
a
same
cycle.
You
know
there's
a
bit
more
coordination,
but
obviously
they
will
as
adjacent
jurisdiction
throughout
the
process.
E
Whether
you
know
when
we
release
the
eir,
we're
gonna
be
soliciting
input
from
all
the
adjacent
organ
jurisdictions
as
well
as
the
county.
So
you
know
they
can
comment,
obviously
from
an
environmental
standpoint
as
well.
F
Correct
and
affordability
has
been
mentioned
so
often
you
know
the
reality.
Is
we
live
in
an
upsell
upscale
community?
Currently,
the
medium
list,
price
in
thousand
oaks
is
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
median
price
in
california
is
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
median
price
in
the
united
states
is
320
000,
so
we're
close
to
three
times
the
median
price
of
a
home
and
so
affordability.
F
What
are
the
percentages
for
moderate
income
and
low
income?
On?
Let's
say
the
2600
is
like
10
percent
low
income,
another
10
moderate,
so
we
have
20
percent
of
the
build
out
for
those
properties
for
those
for
those
households.
E
It's
it's.
The
the
numbers
are
a
lot
higher
and
hold
on
a
second.
Let
me
pull
it
up.
I
have
it
quickly.
E
Here
so
you
know,
out
of
the
2600:
733
have
to
be
very
low.
E
Very
low,
so
30
or
less
of
the
average
median
income
for
the
county,
okay,
493,
have
to
be
in
the
low
income
category.
Okay
and
then
you
have
about
531
in
the
moderate
and
858
at
above
moderate,
which
is
market
rate.
Now,
actually,
the
final
number
just
got
released
and
we
anyways
we,
we
gained
six
units,
so
those
numbers
may
not.
These
are
all
based
on
the
old
2615
number,
and
now
it's
2621.
F
That
those
are
significant-
those
are
significant
numbers.
Absolutely
now
are
these:
yes,
are
these
categories
going
to
be
in
perpetuity,
or
are
they
also
going
to
be
like
the
properties
that
holly
grove
were
and
over
there
on
hidden
canyon,
to
where,
after
20
years
or
so
they'll
be
all
will
be
able
to
go
to
market
levels.
C
C
No,
we
we
don't
know,
and,
and
essentially
this
is
where
it
gets
to
the
individual
decisions.
People
can
come
in
and
maybe
none
of
it's
going
to
be
affordable
and
maybe
all
of
it
will
be
affordable.
We
don't
know
because
this
is
this
is
what
happens
in
the
building
process
later
on.
So
you
know,
as
we
know,
affordable
housing
is
very
difficult
to
build
it.
It
takes
many
many
different
sources
to
build
just
straight
up,
affordable.
I
Housing
and
peter
sorry,
if
I
may
just
add
a
little
bit
of
color
typically,
you
know,
affordable
housing
can
be
built
in
two
sort
of
distinct
manners.
One
pure
play
100,
affordable
housing
projects
which,
as
matt
pointed
out,
are
difficult
to
build
without
some
significant
source
of
subsidies
or
financing
from
municipalities,
either
local
state
federal.
I
Typically,
those
projects
are
funded
through
tax
credits,
and
you
need
to
hold
those
for
at
least
15
years
and
then
you're
following
that
you're
you're,
free
to
you
know,
operate
it
as
you
wish
that's
hard
to
do,
particularly
as
you
may
have
read.
The
state
of
california
doesn't
always
put
its.
You
know,
funding
to
good
use
for
the
most
efficient
use.
I
The
other
way
to
do
it
is
inclusionary,
affordable
housing.
So
a
lot
of
the
projects
you've
seen
may
have
seen
recently
go
in
front
of
city
council.
Are,
you
know,
proposed
200
unit
projects,
or
so
that
will
include
some
percentage
of
affordable,
dedicated
for
typically
it's
under
a
covenant
of
50
years,
but
that's
the
real
way
affordable
housing
can
get
built
in
large
numbers
and
the
the
other
part
of
it.
I
Is
you
try
and
propose
100,
affordable
housing
projects
like
a
very
low
income
project
somewhere
in
thousand
oaks
you're,
going
to
also
get
a
ton
of
pushback
from
the
folks
surrounding
that
project?
So
that's
also
a
tough,
a
tough
road,
especially
in
a
city
like
thousand
oaks.
So,
as
matt
pointed
out,
there's
a
lot
of
levers,
a
lot
of
different
forces
at
play
and
if
you
need
to
meet
700
low-income
units
in
an
eight-year
period,
you,
as
ian
pointed
out,
you
almost
need
to
plan
for
a
lot
more
than
that.
H
I'm
sorry
I
have
construction
going
on
here.
I
don't
know
how
productive
I
can
be
in
the
meeting,
but
I
do
want
to
get
back
to
this
business
of
81
000
units.
I'd
like
to
know
ian.
Were
you
there
at
the
2017
meeting
where
the
81
000
was
reported
from
planning.
E
So
the
81
000
number
was
the
number
that
was
released
at
that
time
and
that
was
based
on
staff's
evaluation.
A
a
bit
more
of
a
precise
evaluation
of
the
96
land
use
plan
using
gis.
H
Right
and-
and
this
is
exactly
what
what
I'd
like
to
get
to
right
now-
is
that,
once
again,
you
are
mentioning
a
number
of
81
000
and
it
always
needs
to
be,
shall
we
say,
annotated
every
time.
It's
mentioned
that
nobody,
as
we
have
already
earlier
in
this
meeting
it.
H
No
one
believes
that
that's
the
capacity
of
the
city
and
and
yet
as
a
number,
that
is,
shall
we
say
without
foundation
as
a
as
a
useful
number,
it's
being
used
by
the
city
for
all
kinds
of
planning
goals,
and
it's
been
published
in
the
paper
and
it's
being
used
in
this
meeting
as
a
reference-
and
I
I'm
very
concerned
about
this,
because
it
is
possible
to
go
to
the
trouble
of
figuring
out
what
the
actual
capacity
of
the
city
is
and
yet
we're
using
a
number.
H
That's
not
a
number
that
we
can,
but
that
we
should
be
using
so
mike.
My
question
is:
do
do
you
agree
and
and
what?
What
is
your
comment
on
on
that
position
that
that
I
mean.
C
Can
I
jump
in
sure?
That's
not
I'm
sorry,
that's
an
ad!
That's
an
advocacy
question.
It's
not
really
a
question
to
help
with
the
understanding
of
this.
You
know
again,
we
have
done
the
analysis.
There's
build
out
and
there's
growth
projections
build
out
is
a
theoretical
number.
Every
city
has
a
theoretical
build
out
which
is
never
going
to
be
reached.
We
have
it
for
commercial,
we
have
it
for
for
industrial,
we
have
it
for
retail.
C
We
have
it
for
residential
there's,
a
theoretical
number,
which
is
based
on
the
maximum
that
you
can
build.
What
what
we
need
to
do
is
allow
that,
through
the
through
the
not
that
it's
ever
going
to
be
built,
but
allow
that,
through
the
through
the
planning
process,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
that's
the
that's
what
we
have
to
do
and
then
and
then
plan
for
projected
growth
in
a
20-year
time
period.
So,
okay,.
E
And
frank
actually.
C
E
I
may
you
know
just
to
quickly
respond,
I
mean
not
advocacy,
but
just
to
tell
it
how
it
is.
I
mean
staff
was
directed
to
do
an
analyst
analysis
of
measure
e
by
the
city
council,
because
over
the
years
you
know
the
you're
you're
trying
to
allocate
units
out
of
the
pool,
and
there
was
never
this
exhaustive
exercise
of
determining
well.
What
is
the
ex
the
actual
capacity?
So
staff
was
directed
to
do
that.
E
They
came
back
to
council
and
they
presented
the
information
and
that's
where
the
81
000
was
essentially
by
virtue
of
going
to
council.
With
this
analysis
was
the
number
that
the
council
acknowledged
was
associated
with
measure
e.
You
know,
measury
again
I
mean
it's
advocacy,
it's
a
it's,
a
voter
initiated
thing
and
the
city
has
basically
had
time
and
time
again
had
to
do
interpretation.
The
city
attorney's
office
can
weigh
into
that,
but
the
number
has
been
vetted
through
a
process,
a
public
process
and
recognized
by
the
city
council.
A
Cool
hi,
my
question
is
that
and
let
me
profess
my
question.
I
know
very
little,
I'm
just
a
resident,
so
I
know
very
little
that
you
know
my
question
be
very
naive,
but
when
we
were
talking
about
affordability-
and
you
know
those
very
low
and
blah
blah
blah-
you
know
different
groups
are
they?
Is
it
talking
about
own
properties
or
rentals
or
boats,
or
it
doesn't
matter.
C
Good
good
question:
that
is
not
a
naive
question,
so
in
in
the
in
the
general
plan,
we
plan
for
housing
units.
Typically,
it
is,
it
is
rental,
housing,
building,
affordable
for
sale.
Housing
is
much
more
difficult
to
do
so.
Typically,
and
this
is
again
what
we've
seen
is
that
it
it's
rental
housing
with
that
the
general
plan
cannot
and
the
city
cannot
dictate
whether
a
building
built
should
be
a
condo
in
terms
of
of
for
sale,
housing
or
whether
it
should
be
rental,
housing.
C
You
are
breaking
up
your
your
connection
is
breaking
up
quite
a
bit.
So
if
you,
if
you
want
to
have
a
follow-up
question,
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand,
let's
see
kenneth.
G
Yes,
by
the
way,
just
as
a
as
a
point
of
reference,
oh
there,
he.
G
This
is
a
point
of
reference.
There
is
a
powerpoint
presentation
that
speaks
directly
to
this
analysis.
You
can
search
it
on
the
website.
Slide.
Number
23
is
the
conclusion.
The
methodology
methodology
for
achieving
that
number
is
not
indicated.
That
apparently,
was
staff's
recommendation.
It's
slide
number
23
and
that's
where
a
big
figure
is
of
81
124
is
indicated
and
that's
based
on
and
that
occurred
in
2017
10
24
17..
If
you
want
to
go
to
that,
you
can
see
how
they
came
roughly
how
they
came
to
that
conclusion.
G
But
apart
from
that,
I
just
I
have
a
question
concerning
process
matt
and
how
this
thing
moves
forward.
You've
been
at
this
with
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
I'm
assuming
your
engagement
began
with
with
your
company
began
back
in
2019
or
so
about
two
years
ago.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
okay
and
you've
gone
through
a
number
of
you've
gone
through
a
number
of
steps
in
order
to
get
to
this
point
now
canvassing
the
city
in
a
number
of
different
ways
to
gather
up
all
this
information.
G
The
three
recommendations
that
are
on
the
table
now
can
be
evaluated
and
commented
upon
when
you
go
to
the
the
survey
correct
and
the
and
all
the
associated
material
that
leads
up
to
the
survey
and
you'll
be
taking
that
information
and
sifting
through
it.
But
one
thing
I
noticed
you
were
quoted
in
the
acorn
is
saying:
you're
not
going
to
necessarily
recommend
to
the
city
council
prior
to
april.
C
We
are
going
to
go
through
a
process
and
we're
still
refining
what
the
at
the
specifics
of
that.
But
essentially
what
we
are
going
to
do
is
take
all
of
the
information
identify
where
we
think
there
is
consistency.
C
You
know
or
directionality
there's
never
going
to
be
consensus,
as
we
hear
from
I'm
sure
this
call.
But
what
we
want
to
get
is,
you
know,
is
where
the.
Where
do?
We
feel
like
that?
There's
directionality
from
what
the
community
is
saying
and
where
do
we
feel
like
that?
C
There's
options,
and
so
we're
gonna
pull
that
together
and
then
we're
gonna
bring
that
to
the
basically
back
to
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
and
then
I
believe,
we're
going
to
take
it
to
the
ask
for
input
from
the
planning
commission
and
then
we're
going
to
come
up
we're
going
to
come
up
with
what
is
a
preferred.
Then
we're
going
to
take
that
back
out
to
the
public
for
comments
on
that
and
then
it's
going
to
go
again
to
the
planning
commission
and
then
the
city
council.
C
So,
there's
a
series
of
steps
of
what's
going
to
happen
and
we
have
been
you
know,
rethinking
this
to
make
sure
that
there's
as
much
community
engagement
as
we
as
we
can
get
into
the
process
before
it
goes
to
council.
So-
and
I
would
just
say
you
know
right
now,
you
know
we're
going
to
have
you
know
thousands
of
comments
that
we're
going
to
have
to
go
through
and
so
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
again
find
find
directionality
find
commonality.
C
What
we
want
to
do
is
basically,
even
if
there's
a
minority
direction,
that
we
hear
a
minority
kind
of
preference
we
want
to
be.
We
want
to
highlight
that
and
day
like
that,
so
we're
not
going
to
ignore
and
just
say.
Well,
you
know,
51
of
people
said
something
so
we're
ignoring
the
rest.
C
Like
there's
an
example
of
you
know
it's
50
50
and
there's
an
option
here
and
we're
going
to
sort
of
give
the
option,
move
that
forward
and
get
input
on
that
and
maybe
try
and
refine
it
a
little
bit
more.
So
this
is,
you
know
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
very
and
I'm
glad
you
asked
this
question
it.
C
You
know
it's
very
broad,
strokes
of,
like
you
could
put
stuff
here
or
you
could
put
stuff
here,
and
what
do
you
like
better
and
what
right
and
then
we're
gonna
just
keep
narrowing
that
down
and
looking
at
the
numbers
and
looking
at
the
character
and
getting
feedback.
So
it
is
a
very
iterative
process.
I
know
it
seems
really
linear
and
you
must
choose
now
like
or
else,
but
really,
that's
not
how
it.
How
and
I
apologize
like
I,
you
know
we're
under
a
timeline
from
the
from
the
state
for
some
of
this.
C
But
what
we
really
want
to
do
is
make
this
much
really
an
iterative
process
and
get
feedback
as
we
go
along,
which
is
why
we're
having
all
of
these
all
of
these
meetings
for
understanding
and
to
hear
what
people
say.
So
I
you
know
again.
I
think
that
what
sort
of
comes
out
of
this
this
sausage,
making
machine
so
to
speak,
is
not
necessarily
going
to
look
exactly
like
one
of
these
alternatives.
C
It's
going
to
look
different,
we're
taking
concepts,
and
you
know
just
for
example,
you
know
in
this
in
this
process
that
we've
had
so
far.
You
know,
we've
heard
more
people
actually
and
and
leanne
was
on
this
call
last
night,
so
she
could
sort
of
attest
to
this
we've
heard
more
people
have
a
little
bit
of
a
preference
for
maybe
we
actually
want
to
allow
some
duplex
or
triplex
in
some
of
the
the
traditional
single-family
neighborhoods
previously
in
the
process,
we
were
hearing
like
no
nothing
right
and
now
we're
hearing
some.
C
Leanne
agrees
with
me
that
that's
what
was
said,
whether
that's
whether
that's
you
know
you
know
a
preference
overall
in
the
community
or
whether
it
was
just
what
some
people
expressed.
You
know
we
don't
know,
but
but
again
that's
we're
hearing
that
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
had
heard
before.
So
we're
going
to
change
and
react
to
that.
G
Well,
I'm
confident
that,
based
on
the
abundance
of
information,
you're
gathering
and
your
experience
of
doing
this
because
you've
been
at
it
for
quite
a
while
this
is
this:
is
your
forte,
the
recommendation
or
the
presentation
to
the
city
council
we'll
give
them
plenty
plenty
to
think
about,
and
then
I'm
assuming
and
that
has
that's
gonna
happen
in
april.
From
what
I
understand,
I
mean
there
is
kind
of
a
general
deadline
as
to
when
you're
gonna.
C
It's
gonna,
be
it's
gonna
be
later
than
that.
Actually,
I
think
it's
ultimately
going
to
be
may
when
we
go
to
the
council.
G
At
which
point
the
city
council
receives
the
information,
evaluates
it
deliberates.
It
perhaps
provides
for
public
comment,
as
they
typically
do
at
city
council
meetings,
I'm
not
altogether
sure.
If
this
is
subject
to
that,
I
would
hope
it
would
be
to
some
degree
and
then
they
make
a
decision
and
that
decision
becomes
the
new
land
use
guidelines.
F
C
Yet
then
very
I
know
if
only
this
were
like
totally
simple.
So
what
you
know
part
of
what
we're
doing
is
we
need
for
the
housing
element,
work
which
has
a
state
deadline.
We
need
to
have
the
land
use
map
nailed
down
enough
to
be
able
to
identify
the
parcels
which
are
going
to
be
as
part
you
know,
identified
as
as
housing
element
parcels
for
so
to
speak,
so
to
speak.
C
We
fully
expect
that,
as
we
move
forward
in
the
process
from
there
to
writing
the
plan
into
the
adoption,
there's
going
to
be
tweaks
to
to
the
land
use
map,
as
well
as
the
policies
that
are
going
to
be
coming
forward.
So
so
you
know
we
we,
we
can't
take
a
fully
if
we,
if
the
city
takes
a
full
drastic
shift
from
may
until
you
know
say
october
and
everything
changes
that
creates
problems
for
the
work
that
we've
done
on
the
housing
element.
C
But
you
know
we
expect
that
there's
going
to
be
some
shifts
that
happen
in
in
the
land
use
decisions
as
we
move.
You
know
spring
summer
and
fall
okay,
because
there
are
some
things
that
we
just
can't
that
we
just
can't
resolve.
You
know
you
know,
for
example,
the
you
know
some
of
the
industrial
areas
and
you
know
whether
they're
higher
intensity
or
lower
intensity.
You
know
some
of
those
things
can
kind
of
shift
without
much
impact
overall
on
the
plan
itself,.
C
It
becomes
a
new
general
plan,
so
this
is
a
comprehensive
update
to
the
general
plan,
so
the
old
general
plan
is
going
to
be
superseded
by
what
we
do,
however,
and
kristin
has
rice,
has
led
this,
which
is
going
into
the
existing
general
plan
and
pulling
out
all
of
the
pieces
and
all
of
the
policies.
And
then
we
look
at
other
plans
that
have
been
done
and
other
work
that's
been
done
over
the
years
and
we
pull
that
in.
C
So
you
know
in
a
sense,
it's
a
little
bit
like
the
public
process,
we're
doing
where
we're
pulling
from
all
of
these
different
resources
and
trying
to
triangulate
what
it
is
that
the
direction
is
and
then
that's
what
goes
to
the
council
once
the
council
adopts
that
and
that
adoption
is
going
to
also
have
an
environmental
impact
report
which
is
going
to
deal
with.
All
of
you
know
water
and
traffic
and
all
of
these
other
issues
and
and
then
that
is
going
to
be
once
that
is
done.
C
We
do
have
a
way
to
go.
I
mean
it's,
it's
realistically.
The
the
plan
will
not
come
before
the
council
for
another
year.
Okay,
the
full
plan,
okay
carol,
you
have,
you
have
been
patiently.
A
G
C
Yeah,
and-
and
you
know
this
has
come
up-
this
had
come
up
at
previous
meetings
and
we're
working
on
this,
but
you
know
actually
kind
of
mapping
out
some
of
these
decisions
over
the
next
year
and
where
it
is
the
opportunity
for
public
input,
because
we
have,
we
have
done
our
plan.
You
know
in
our
process
to
be
to
listen
to
people
and
to
talk
to
people
and
there's
never
as
many
people
participating
as
you
want,
despite
all
of
the
outreach
that
we've
done.
C
G
And
finally,
matt
in
your
experience-
and
obviously
you've
done
this
before-
is
the
timeline
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
to
adopt
these
measures
typical
of
what
you've
experienced
in
the
past
with
other
cities
and
municipalities.
This
is
about
right,
yeah,
okay,.
C
A
C
G
This
sets
got
it.
This
sets
land
use
requirements
for
anybody
who
wants
to
come
in
and
build,
but
certainly
doesn't
it
doesn't
necessarily
encourage
a
discouraged
building.
That's
that
that
happens
after
the
plan's
been
adopted
because,
as
as
one
of
the
participants
mentioned,
there
is
something
coming
before
the
city
council
tonight
concerning
a
rather
large
parcel
of
land,
formerly
owned
by
baxter
pharmaceuticals.
That
could
end
up
in
a
couple
hundred
units,
but
I
guess
that's
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
me
and
others
that's
very
much
in
the
preliminary
stages.
C
Doesn't
really
feel
good
right,
we
would
love
to
like
as
planners
so
that
it's
easier
for
us
to
do
our
work.
We
would
love
to
just
like
say:
okay,
stop
all
other
access
happening
in
the
city
now,
while
we're
doing
the
plan,
but
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
work
that
way
and
in
fact,
what
we
what
ends
up
happening
is
we
we
see.
C
As
things
happen,
we
start
seeing
where
there's
interest
in
where
there
isn't
and
some
of
these
decisions
you
know
like
tonight's
decision
is
going
to
be
informative
for
us
about
how
the
council
is
thinking
and
what
the
community
is
thinking
about
some
of
these
these
concepts.
So
it
actually
is
helpful
for
us.
But
it's
you
know
it's
a
bit
of
a
moving
target
got.
C
Okay,
yeah,
thank
you
and
I'm
really
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
the
process
is
is
really
important
to
understand.
Okay,
carol.
B
Since
this
is
all
I
mean,
I
know
that
the
general
plan
has
to
be
reviewed
every
so
many
years,
but
because
the
state
is
telling
us,
you
know
that
we
have
to
do
this.
I'm
wondering
where,
in
that,
like
you
were
talking
about
broad,
strokes
and
funneling
down
to
the
final
thing.
Where
in
that
process,
then
does
the
state
start
with
holding
like
you
were
talking
about
they're
withholding
funds
like
if
we
don't
get
done
what
they
want,
they're
going
to
be
withholding
funds
so
where,
in
the
process
does
that
happen.
C
Well,
that's
related
to
the
house.
So
there's
I
guess,
there's
two
things
so
one
is
I'm
gonna
answer
the
question
literally
and
then
I'm
gonna
answer
it
broadly,
so
I
apologize
so
literally.
It's
the
state
you
need
to
meet
october
is
when
the
deadline
is
for
adopting
the
housing
element
for
that
is
reviewed
and
certified
by
the
housing
and
community
development
department
at
the
state.
C
However,
there
is
a
grace
period
which
goes
until
mid-february
of
2022,
so
it's
really
pre-february
2022
and
it's
after
that
time,
where,
if
you
haven't
done
it
is
when
you're
out
of
conformance
with
the
state
regulations
the
the
other
piece.
Is
you
know
this
really
isn't
about
this
really
isn't
happening
because
the
state
is
saying
to
do
a
housing
element.
This
is
happening
because
the
city
has
a
50
year
old
plan
and
the
city
has
changed
dramatically
in
that
time
and
there
are.
C
There
are
new
state
regulations,
but
there
are
also
new
challenges
that
the
city
is
facing,
that
you
need
to
plan
for
housing
in
1970
in
the
state
was
very
different
than
housing
in
2021.
the
we
were
in
balance
in
terms
of
housing
and
population
in
1970
and
over
time.
That's
really.
C
The
state
has
really
gone
out
of
balance,
and
you
know
the
numbers
that
were
said
previously
about
the
average
cost
in
the
state
and
the
city
compared
to
the
to
the
country
are
pretty
indicative
of
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
housing.
There's
other
things
as
well.
There's
sustainability
goals,
there's
climate
change,
there's
a
desire
for
equity
for
access,
so
these
are
all
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
think
about.
We
have
we
have
a
significant
amount
of
retail
in
the
city
that
is
really
not
viable
retail
into
the
future.
C
So
what
happens
to
those
parcels?
Do
they
just
sit
as
vacant
retail
parcels
if
retail
is
not
coming
back
in
the
way
that
that
it's
going
that
it
has
been
in
the
past?
You
know
what
happens
to
those
parcels
and
then
how
do
you
actually
take?
All
of
this
and
and
make
sure
that
the
whole
package
of
what's
happening
in
the
city
produces
the
revenues
needed
in
order
to
provide
all
of
the
public
services
that
you
want
in
the
future.
C
C
Okay,
that
was
my
soapbox.
I
apologize
I'll
step
down
now
more
questions.
D
Matt
matt,
I
just
want
to
add
a
couple
points
of
clarification,
too,
that
to
expand
on
some
of
the
previous
responses.
D
One
is
with
regards
to
the
81
000
number
that
you
talked
about
it
in
the
context
of
measure
e,
but
it's
also
there's
state
law
provisions
that
also
say
that
the
cities
cannot
reduce
the
number
of
units
that
are
available.
It's
a
net
loss
provision,
so
we
we
needed
to
have
that
analysis
to
meet
both
of
those
those
components.
D
D
If,
if
there
are
deficiencies
that
are
identified,
the
city
has
a
capital
improvement
program
that
is
updated
regularly,
that
will,
through
the
public
works
department
that
will
address
any
of
those
major
deficiencies
or
things
that
may
even
cause
there
to
be
reasons
to
change
some
of
the
proposed
land
use,
so
that
all
feeds
into
this
final
discussion
and
the
final
direction
that
we
go
with
with
the
final
general
plan
as
it
go
moves
forward
through
the
long
process
ahead
of
us
anyway.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
thanks
kari
for
clarifying,
let's
see
lourdes
anna
is
there
anything?
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
spanish
speaking
room.
C
And
I
think
I'm
only
getting
part
of
the
sound
so
kristin
you
might
have
to
help
me
out
here.
A
Hello,
I'm
in
the
english
channel,
if.
C
Hands
up:
are
there
any
more
questions
or
thoughts?
Is
there
anything
else
we
can
help
you
out.
C
A
C
Antibodies,
oh
my
my
daughter
is
going
to
love
that
one.
I
will.
G
G
The
the
kmart
parcel
comes
to
mind,
there's
a
parcel
behind
that
at
one
time
was
a
drive-in
movie,
theater
off
of
west
keller,
east
kelly
road,
both
of
which
would
see
prime
for
development.
Are
there
restrictions
on
properties
like
that?
When
I
go
into
the
survey,
can
I
identify
those
as
being
potential
areas
for
development
because
they
certainly
look
like
prime
opportunities
for
builders?
In
other
words,
are
there
parcels
of
land
in
the
city
that
are
vacant
right
now
that
are
restricted?
They
cannot
be
used.
G
C
Well,
you
know,
ultimately,
if
it's
private
property,
we
need
to
put
a
designation
on
that.
As
you
might
expect,
we
can't
put
a
a
you
can't
build
here,
designation
on
it
on
private
property,
because
that
takes
away
the
full
value
of
the
property.
It's
a
regulatory
taking
and
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
You
know
we,
so
you
know
yes,
there
are.
C
You
know
you're,
highlighting
the
fact
that
there
are
some
parcels
that
are
much
more
likely
to
be
redeveloped
than
other
parcels
which
gets
to
this
point
about
about
full,
build
out
versus
growth
projections.
So
I
would,
I
would
say
you
know.
Yes,
if
you
think
that
there
are
areas
that
you
think
could
be
redeveloped.
C
I
would
look
at
those
parcels
or
do
you
think
really
could
be
because
they're
vacant
or
they're
under
utilized
the
kmart,
for
example,
and
and
look
at
those
parcels
and
look
at
what
the
different
options
are
and
see
whether
those
options
meet
your
vision
for
what
you
think
should
be
there.
If,
if
one
of
the
three
on
the
one
of
the
three
options
on
a
specific
parcel,
doesn't
meet
your
vision,
you
know
annotate
it
and
tell
us
what
you
think
it
should
be,
and
then
and
then
in
terms
of
the
specific
personals.
C
We're
then
going
to
look
based
on
what
the
vision
is
about,
what
the
likelihood
of
redeveloping
those
parcels
is,
and
there
it's
more
it's
more
art
than
science
with
that
which
is
you
know,
which
ones
do
we
think
could
be
built,
we're
going
to
look
at
those,
and
then
we
know
that
all
of
them
aren't
so
we're
going
to
take
a
percentage
of
that
and
that's
how
the
growth
projections
and
that's
how
we're
going
to
look
at
what
the
20-year
rate.
G
The
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
that
particular
parcel
behind
the
kohl's
department
store
actually
provides
access,
walking
access
of
all
things,
the
ability
to
walk
to
a
number
of
different
shots,
including
a
smart
and
final
supermarket
in
a
commercial
development
in
a
a
shopping
center.
That's
at
the
moment,
half
vacant,
which
means
that
if
that
parcel
was
developed
at
some
point
in
time,
it
might
stimulate
the
the
leasing
of
that
commercial
space
as
well.
G
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
have
that
parcel
that
you
know
that
person
was
certainly
on
our
radar.
You
know
it
is
one
of
the
the
more
likely
is
one
of
the
more
underutilized
parcels
and
it
is
advantageous
for
all
of
the
reasons
that
you
said.
I
don't
know
any
specifics
about
whether
there's
constraints
on
it.
If
there's
easements
on
the
property
or
you
know,
pollution
or
we
don't
know
that,
I
don't
know
that
but
yeah
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
look
at
in
this
in
this
phase.
C
G
There
were
contemplated
uses
of
that
parcel
that
I've
that
I'm
aware
of
over
the
past
2700
years,
including
a
senior
center,
it
was
kind
of
a
real
estate
football
that
was
being
kicked
around
within
the
city.
But
oddly
enough
in
that
period
of
time
and
that's
a
considerable
span
of
time,
it's
never
been
developed.
C
Right,
well
I
mean
that's
that
that's
the
you
know
the
the
other
piece
of
development.
You
have
some
actually
rather
large
parcels
in
the
city
that
are
very
either
undeveloped
or
underdeveloped,
that
have
never
developed.
G
And
relatively
close
to
important
shopping
centers,
you
know
for
food
and
other
things
that
yes,
you'd
probably
require
a
car
to
get
there
for
some
of
them,
but
nonetheless
they're
quite
accessible
they're.
Not
all
that
far
away.
So
I'll
make
a
note
of
it.
When
I
go
over
the
survey
which
I'm
just
about
to
undertake,
I'm
getting
ready
to
do
it
so
I'll
make
I'll
make
reference
to
those.
C
Okay,
great
thank
you,
and
you
know
others
on
the
call.
If
you
think
that
there's
an
area,
a
parcel,
a
specific
parcel
that
that
you
think
could
be
redeveloped
or
could
have
a
different
use
on
it
or
or
improvements,
then
definitely
mark
that
in
the
in
the
maps
and
we'll
look
at.
C
That
any
follow-up
questions,
if
not,
we
can
cut
out
a
little
bit
early.
G
It
it
seems
that
he
just
noticed
me
and
you
you
were
nodding
kind
of
knowingly
regarding
matt,
and
I
discussing
that
particular
piece
of
land
that
that
track
are
you
familiar
with.
It
sounds
like
it
had
some
exposure
to
it.
E
Yes,
I
I
am,
and
actually
yeah
you're
right
it's
been
kicked
around.
I
I
dug
up
an
old
housing
study
that
was
done
directed
by
the
council,
I
think
back
in
2003
or
2004,
and
they
had
identified
that
for
multi-family
housing
and
there
was
a
concept
and
everything
so
and
it's
a
site
that
I've
looked
at
as
far
as
identifying
you
know
for
a
housing
opportunity
site,
and
you
know
that's
very
much
why
it's
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
alternatives.
E
G
Do
those
limitations
also
apply
to
the
plot
of
land
across
the
street
that
used
to
be
the
public
works
facility
and
is
behind
the
continuation
school?
The
building
was
preserved
for
historical
purposes.
Behind
there
there's
an
enormous
piece
of
land
that
used
to
be
public
works.
It's
now
up
on
rancho
conejo.
G
C
G
I'm
looking
at
a
beach,
but
so
my
question
regards
you
know,
use
of
properties
that
are
essentially
owned
by
the
city
and
I
believe
the
public
works
facility
that
used
to
be
on
that
plot
of
land
behind
the
continuation
school
and
the
piece
of
land
that
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
continuation
school.
That
was
essentially
its
playground
are
those
eliminated
from
consideration
because
they're
owned
by
the
city
or
or
the
or
the
school.
E
No
they're
not
and
actually
the
timely
question,
because
I
have
to
evaluate
any
surplus
land
that
the
city
has
for
the
purposes
of
reporting
so
and
yeah.
I
I
think
when
we
came
looked
at
the
alternatives,
we
didn't
do
a
full
evaluation,
but
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
information
that
you
know
as
far
as
existing
land
uses
and
so
forth.
That
was
provided
so.
G
There
are
all
kinds
of
retail
shops,
restaurants
and
so
forth
that
front
onto
newbury
road
that
are
within
walking
distance
of
both
pieces
of
land.
I
mean
oh
yeah,
it's
just
kind
of
an
ideal
location
because
of
what's
already
there
in
terms
of
retail
space
anyway,
sure
I'll
make
a
note
of
it.
Yeah
please
do
of.
C
Course,
let's
see,
I
thought
I
saw
a
hand
up,
but
now
I
don't
see.
C
It
okay,
so
if
anyone
has
something
else,
they
want
to
ask
and
just
jump
in.
F
On
one
of
the
maps
that
I
have
seen
is
that
there's
property
that's
falling
into
consideration
in
canelo
oaks,
correct
some
of
the
larger
lots
and
things
like
that
that,
as
far
as
the
for
adding
additional
housing
guess,
my
question
is:
is
that
would
that
then
mean
that
those
larger
lots
could
be
split
and
some
designations,
be?
You
know,
put
into
there
you
you're,
saying
you
can't
force
a
property
owner
to
you,
know
what
sell
it
to
sell
the
property
or
make
it
available.
It
just
changes.
C
And
is,
did
you
is
there?
Do
you
have
a
you
know,
a
specific
question
about
it.
F
It's
just
interesting:
you
guys
not
familiar
with
that
area.
You
have
the
way
that
the
houses
are
are
on
there.
It
would
definitely
change
the
density
because
it's
primarily
one
house
on
a
large
on
a
large
lot
and
then
you
would
just
create
it
to
where
it
would
be
like.
I
guess
subdivided
or
something
or
or
or
maybe
like
he's
like.
Potentially
the
interesting
comment
that
he
had
made
that
duplexes
or
triplexes
have
now
been
welcomed
into
certain
areas.
It
would
just
it
would
somewhat
change
the
the
nature
of
that
community
mm-hmm.
C
Well,
I
think
some
of
the.
If
so
I
just
can,
I
make
sure
I
understand
so.
The
area
is
essentially
north
of
hillcrest
and
east
of
23.
F
C
Some
of
those
yeah
some
of
those
areas,
actually
that's
an
area
that
already
actually
allowed
more
higher
and
higher
intensity
and
just
you
know,
medium
density,
residential
in
the
existing
general
plan.
So
you
know,
there's,
there's
sort
of
a
mix
of
apartments
to
three-story
apartments
in
that
neighborhood
and
single-family
homes.
F
Not
above
hillcrest
to
my
knowledge,
okay,.
C
Right
right,
yeah,
I
thought
I
thought
it
was
above
as
well.
I
I
very
very
well
could
be
wrong
in
looking
at
it,
but
you
know
yeah,
that's
an
area,
if
you,
you
know
you're.
If
you
know
that
area
really
well,
and
you
have
ideas,
you
know,
go
into
the
map
and
sort
of
mark
things
up
and
put
comments
on
there
and
we're
happy
to
to
look
at
those.
C
I
I
think
the
I
would
look
at
the
existing
general
plan
math,
because
I
think
we
tried
to
be
consistent
with
it
in
most
of
them
in
most
of
the
alternatives.
So
that
was,
but
if
you
think
that
there
should
be
a
modification
to
that,
you
know
this
is
a
good
time
to
go
in
and
say
you
know
they
say
hey.
This
is
a
single
family
neighborhood!
Let's
leave
this
as
it
is,
or
you
know
this
is
a
an
area
where
we
could
have
duplex
triplex.
F
Is
that
area
was
already
somehow
identified,
you
know
previously
for
for
for
potential?
For
some
you
know
changes
and
additional
housing,
and
things
like
that
is
because
I
always.
C
C
Yeah,
if
you
go
to
the-
and
you
know,
I
honestly
don't
remember
every
the
city's
50
square
miles
and
I
haven't
memorized
what
the
existing
general
plan
is.
But
if
you
go
to
the
the
briefing
book
and
look
at
the
map
feature
and
you
can
click
on
the
different
layers,
so
you
can
actually
click
on
the
layer
of
the
map.
C
So
it's
an
interactive
map
that
you
can
do,
and
you
can
also
put
comments
on
the
map
if
you
think
that
something
is
is
not
designated
properly,
and
this
goes
not
just
for
the
area.
What
we
call
the
areas
of
change,
but
the
entire
city
itself.
Is
there
again
go
through
it?
If
you
find
stuff.
A
D
G
Sorry
guys
it's
the
one
on
kelly
at
newbury
road.
Yes,
what's
left
of
the
school.
A
D
D
G
D
And
they
do
their
own
market
study
so
hopefully
that
that's
panned
out.
D
G
It's
I
think,
it's
a
very
attractive
location
for
residents,
residential
but
anyway
I'll
keep
an
eye
on
that
public
hearings
and
zoho.
G
And
would
those
be
those
are
not
subject
necessarily
to
low
income
requirements
or
anything
like
that?
Those
those
are
wide
open
in
terms
of
what
the
owner
can
charge.
D
The
council
approved
it
with
a
a
certain
percentage
of,
but
I
can't
tell
you
what
the
numbers
are.
I'm
sorry,
I
could
look
it
up
and
get
back
to
you
or
you
can.
D
E
Hearings
so
218
units
were
allocated
and
26
were
set
aside
for
affordable.
E
We
don't
have
the
exact
terms
because
there's
going
to
be
in
a
specific
plan
and
probably
a
development
agreement,
but
the
assumption
I'm
going
with
based
on
the
planner's
input,
is
it's
going
to
be
split,
half
very
low,
half
low,
so
13
and
13.
I
see
and
we'll
just
see
how
it
plays
out
through
the
process.
G
And
the
that,
in
order
to
get
before
construction,
we
begin
we're
looking
at
a
period
of
time
between
now
and
when
construction
might
actually
begin.
If
all
approvals
go
through
the
the
time
frame,
it
can
take
a
while.
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
long
it
is,
but
there's
a
there's
a
period
of
time
that
they
go
through
the
entire
process
before
we
would
see
groundbreaking.
If
you
will.
A
Hi,
I
did
have
a
question
I
just
wanted
to
know.
You
know
this
process
has
obviously
taken
a
while
after
we
have
this
the
zoom
conferences-
and
you
said
we
could
do
the
survey.
Is
there
any
kind
of
focus
group
where
you're
actually
reaching
out
to
residents
in
different
neighborhoods
or
you
know?
How
do
we,
I
you
said
it's
about
a
year
or
up
until
october?
Where
do
we
go
from
here.
C
We
are
going
to
have
another
general
we're
going
to
more
general
plan
advisory
committee
meetings.
We
are
going
to
have,
I
believe,
a
combined
general
plan,
advisory
committee
and
public
workshop,
we're
going
to
have
more
online
surveys
and
then
we're
still.
You
know,
working
through
the
engagement
once
we
get
to
specific
policy
topics
such
as
you
know,
climate
change
or
parks
and
open
space.
We've
already
had
some
meetings
on
that,
but
we,
you
know
we
may
have
other
meetings
as
we
move
forward
to
review
the
policy
direction.
C
You
know.
As
of
now
we
are
not.
We
are
not
planning
on
having
individual
meetings
with
individual
neighborhoods
to
talk
about
specifics
in
that
neighborhood.
A
Okay
thanks
for
that,
I
also
had
another
question
about
the
81
000.
You
know
you
said
that
it's
a
state
law
that
it's
all
cities
have
that,
so
is
there
no
relative
rollout.
I
mean
what
blows
my
mind
is
if
you
think
that
we're
120
000
residents-
and
we
at
least
put
only
two
people
in
each
apartment-
I
mean
we've
tripled
our
size
in
you
know
in
20
years
how?
How
does
this
relate
to
our
city?
C
C
So
the
big
picture
of
all
of
this
is
that
for
many
many
years
communities,
a
lot
of
communities
in
california
have
shunned
residential
growth
and
the
state
has
an
incredible
deficit.
It
you
know,
I,
the
the
official
number
is
like
2.4
million,
but
there's
ranges
of
800
000
to
3
million
housing
units,
not
for
not
people.
These
are
housing
units
all
across
the
state.
C
So
the
the
state
legislature
has
been
pretty
active
in
recent
years
of
doing
things
to
try
and
allow
housing
to
be
built,
because
the
impact
of
stopping
housing
all
across
the
state
has
had
a
tremendous
impact
on
is
going
to
have
a
tremendous
impact
on
affordable
housing
prices
and
on
the
overall
state
economy,
as
as
businesses
are
moving
out
because
housing
is
too
affordable.
C
So
the
state
has
sort
of
made
this
decision
that
they
need
to
do
something
because
the
individual
decisions
of
jurisdictions
aren't
producing
the
housing
that
is
needed
in
order
to
support
the
overall
growth
that
the
state
is
seeing,
and
so
that's
what
this
arena
process
is
about,
which
is
identifying
a
larger
number
of
units
that
that
need
to
be
planned
for
in
each
jurisdiction
at
different
income
levels.
C
The
state
has
also
said-
and
this
is
what
kari
had
mentioned,
which
is
the
state
has
also
said
that
if
you
have
a
certain
capacity
in
the
city
now
for
amount
of
housing
units,
you
can't
make
changes
beyond
that.
So
this
the
city
can't
actually
just
say
you
know
what
our
capacity
is
81
000
now,
but
we
decided
we
only
want
to
go
to
50
000,
because
that
would
constrain
the
amount
of
housing
that
could
be
built
in
the
city
and
the
state
has
said
we
can't
allow
cities
to
do
that.
C
C
So
then
there's
the
question
of
development
and
how
development
happens
and
where
it
happens
and
as
kenneth
you
know
mentioned,
there's
there's
a
parcel
behind
the
coals
that
has
been
vacant
for
decades,
where
nothing
has
happened
on
it,
and
it
is
absolutely
a
prime
parcel
for
development
and
I
don't
know
why
it
hasn't
been
built,
but
it
hasn't.
So
we
see
this
happening
all
over,
because
it's
based
on
the
individual
decisions-
and
I
know
that
was
a
that-
was
a
complicated
answer
to
your
question.
C
A
But
how
do
we
reach
that
capacity?
I
mean
I
was
at
all
your
planning.
You
know
before
covert,
where
we
were
meeting
face
to
face
and
all
the
residents
I
mean
90
of
the
residents
said
we
moved
here
because
we
love
the
green
open
spaces.
So
I
thank
you
that
you
have
decided
you
know
to
keep
those
spaces
and
just
find
pockets,
but
81
330
whatever
it's
it's
a
lot
for
us
to
conceptualize
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
in
20
years
and
what
I'm
trying
to
understand.
B
A
C
C
Where
are
we
now
we're
at
48
000.?
So
you
know
it's
been
50
years
and
you're
barely
over
half
way
to
that
number.
So
we
don't
think
it's
you're.
I
mean
this
is
again.
This
is
common
and
it's
what
I've
been
trying
to
kind
of
say
every
city
has
a
capacity
that
it
way
exceeds
where
it
is
today
and
where
it
will
anyone
thinks
it
will
ever
get
to,
and
the
reason
is
because
it's
just
maximum
build
out.
C
A
Okay,
so
that's
exactly
what
I
mean
that
to
me
is
a
logical
progression.
You
know
that's
what
I
do
financial
analysis.
No
one
would
do
that
if
you're
growing
a
corporation,
so
I
mean
I
see
that
the
same
as
when
we
were
growing
our
city
but
yeah.
It's
one
thing
to
say:
oh,
we
never
think
we're
going
to
do
it.
What
if
we
get
irresponsible
people
in
our
planning,
commission
or
our
city
council
that
go?
C
No,
I
mean
you,
that's
that's
what
the
political
process
is
for.
So
the
fact
that
development
you
know
again
and-
and
you
know,
sean
moradian-
talked
about
this
with
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
corridor.
There's
been,
you
know,
200
and
some
odd
units
that
have
been
approved
in
10
years
along
the
corridor.
C
That's
it
right.
So
there's
10
years,
there's
half
of
the
growth
projection
that
you
know
we
are
looking
at
a
20-year
growth
projection
for
this
plan.
It's
20-45,
so
you
know
22
years.
You
know
in
that.
In
the
last
10
years,
there's
only
been
200
plus
units
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
three
miles
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard
approved
for
development.
A
A
A
B
That's
hilarious,
but
I
want
to
know
about
affordable
housing
and
what
the
state
mandates
in
terms
of
affordable
housing
units
and
then
what
that
number.
You
know,
why
is
it
all
apartments?
Are
we
talking
about
affordable
homes,
for
people
to
buy,
or
is
this
just
all
apartments.
C
Affordability,
it's
not
rental
or
ownership,
it
is
simply
affordable.
There
are
different
density
levels.
The
state
doesn't
care
how
that
how
the
homes
are
built.
They
just
want
the
homes
to
be
affordable
and
they
want
housing
to
be
built
and
the
density
number
for
the
very
low
and
the
low
income
of
30
units
an
acre
is,
is
a
proxy
for
affordability.
A
Has
any
other
questions
feel
free
to
email,
gp,
tlcs.org
or
you
can
submit
a
comment
online
and
don't
forget
to
complete
the
survey
by
march
15th?
Okay,
thank.