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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission Meeting - 6/19/23
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Tonight
we
have
with
us
Deputy
community
development,
director,
Fabiola
zelaya,
Miller
I'm.
So
sorry
are
there
any
written
comments,
announcements
or
continuances
at
this
time.
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Next
item:
six:
we
have
the
consent
calendar
with
the
minutes
of
the
June
5th
2023
Planning
Commission
meeting.
Are
there
any
comments?
Do
any
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
have
any
comments
or
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent?
Calendar.
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Okay,
will
the
clerk
please
open
the
public
hearing.
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Hearing
having
been
advertised
as
required
by
law
as
you're
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7A
proposed
pensfield
Place,
Medical,
Office,
Building
Development,
permit
DP
2022-7002
protected
tree
permit.
Ptp
2022-70015
and
Landscape
plan
check
LPC
2023-70002
to
allow
the
construction
of
an
approximately
12
293
square
foot
two-story
medical
office
building,
including
Hardscape
and
Landscape.
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Only
on
the
north
side
of
the
proposed
building
and
an
eight
percent
parking
reduction
for
a
property
located
within
the
highway
and
arterial
business
Zone
C2
and
find
that
the
project
qualifies
for
a
category
Oracle
exemption
under
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act,
SQL
guidelines
pursuant
to
section
15332
infill
development
projects
located
at
420
pensfield
place.
The
applicant
is
Corey
Antilla
for
eye
Construction
Corporation.
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The
code
also
requires
that
10
of
open
parking
and
driveway
areas
shall
be
landscaped.
The
community
development
director
or
the
commission
may
allow
any
landscaped
area
which
would
be
within
an
open
service
or
work
area,
and
not
viewable
from
any
perimeter
perimeter
Street
or
to
be
relocated
to
a
more
functional
location
within
the
other
parking
areas
on
the
property
provided.
Such
relocation
does
not
decrease
the
total
required
percentage
of
required
interior
Landscaping
of
the
parking
area.
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Additionally,
article
43
of
our
zoning
code
requires
a
request
for
removal
of
any
non-exempt
Landmark
tree
that
is
24,
inches
or
greater
in
diameter
to
be
heard
by
the
Planning
Commission,
in
conjunction
with
the
commission's
consideration
of
other
entitlement
applications
for
the
project.
If
any
article
43
also
States
a
permit,
may
be
approved
when
necessary,
to
remove
relocate,
cut
or
encroach
into
the
protected
zone
of
a
landmark
tree
to
enable
the
reasonable
and
conforming
use
of
the
property
which
is
otherwise
prevent
prevented
by
the
presence
of
the
tree.
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Article
23
I'm,
sorry,
article
21
of
the
municipal
code,
requires
a
development
permit
for
medical
and
dentist
dental
offices,
including
urgent
care
for
developments
within
the
C2
Zone.
The
code
allows
approval
by
the
community
development
director
if
the
project
complies
with
all
development
standards,
since
the
proposed
project
does
not
comply
with
all
the
development
standards
for
the
Zone,
the
commission
may
Grant
the
permit.
If
all
the
following
findings
can
be
made.
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The
project
is
consistent
with
the
Thousand
Oaks
General
plan
and
any
applicable
specific
plan
or
Redevelopment
plan.
The
project
complies
with
all
applicable
laws,
regulations
and
policies,
including
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code.
The
project
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
and
general
welfare,
and
the
project
has
been
reviewed
in
conformance
with
the
provisions
of
SQL.
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Lastly,
the
code
allows
a
modification
of
the
parking
space
and
loading
zone
Provisions
up
to
10
percent
of
the
requirements
should
the
community
development
director
Grant
and
administrative
action,
while
the
eight
percent
parking
reduction
could
have
been
approved
by
the
director.
In
this
case,
the
my
minor
modification
is
being
reviewed
in
conjunction
with
the
commission's
consideration
of
the
development
permit
and
the
protected
tree
permit.
The
associated
landscape
plan
is
an
administrative
process
that
will
be
implemented
as
a
project
condition
of
approval.
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And
some
background
information
for
you.
In
1974,
a
zone
change
was
approved
to
change
the
subject:
property
Zone
from
C3
or
Community
shopping
center,
Zone
to
C2,
Highway
and
arterial
business
Zone
to
permit
less
intensive
uses
on
the
subject
property
that
was
located
adjacent
to
high
density
residential
Apartments
in
1976.
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The
required
parking
for
the
site
was
60
parking
spaces
for
the
restaurant
use,
which
the
site
provided
only
48..
The
20
parking
reduction
or
12
parking
spaces
was
being
requested
and
was
denied
by
the
Planning
Commission
in
1992,
minor
modification
2
was
approved
to
allow
a
10
parking
reduction
to
accommodate
the
construction
of
a
486
square
foot
outdoor
dining
area
for
the
restaurant
building,
and
there
was
56
spaces
required
50.4
required
with
the
waiver
and
51
proposed.
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In
1995
miter
modification
3
was
approved
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
wood
deck
in
conjunction
with
the
outdoor
customer
dining
area
of
the
restaurant.
Building.
A
year
later,
minor
modification
4
was
approved
to
allow
a
10
parking
reduction
to
accommodate
the
construction
of
an
additional
700
square
foot,
outdoor
dining
area
and
a
433
square
foot.
Enclosed
patio
for
the
restaurant
building,
55
parking
spaces
were
required,
49.5
were
required
with
the
waiver
request
and
50
were
proposed.
The
setback
of
the
subject.
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Patio
was
only
six
feet
from
the
property
line
adjacent
to
Brazil
Street
per
the
approved
project
plan
set.
Also.
This
second
parking
reduction
request
was
not
in
addition
to
minor
modification
2.,
creating
a
20
reduction.
It
was
only
one
10
reduction
and
in
late
2022
the
abandoned
restaurant
building
was
demolished.
The
subject
property
is
now
vacant.
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And
back
to
the
site
plan,
this
exhibit
illustrates
the
required
front
and
side
setbacks
for
the
project
site.
Generally,
the
front
yard
is
determined
by
the
property
line
which
has
the
shortest
Street
Frontage.
In
this
case,
the
frontage
along
Brazil
street
is
the
shortest
and
is
technically
the
front
of
the
property,
with
a
20-foot
front
yard.
Setback
applied
showing
by
the
red
line
and
the
Penfield
place
is
the
side
yard.
With
a
10
foot
side,
Red
Line
applied
along
with
the
frontage.
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The
proposed
project
was
designed
and
consideration
of
existing
developments
in
the
immediate
area,
which
also
have
reduced
front
yard
setbacks.
Specifically,
the
plant
development
permit
for
the
original
Mimi's
Cafe
building
was
granted
a
10-foot
setback
reduction
along
Moorpark
Road,
like
the
original
Sizzler
building,
which
was
located
at
the
corner
of
Brazil
Street
and
Moore
Park
Road
Additionally,
the
building
which
formally
existed
on
the
project
site,
included
an
attached
enclosed
patio
and
an
attached
open
patio,
which
was
located
six
feet
from
the
corner
of
Brazil
Street.
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These
three
developments
benefited
from
having
their
buildings
closer
to
those
streets
allowing
for
more
visibility,
while
screening
the
pro
the
parking
located
in
the
back
and
the
sides,
thus
creating
visually
attractive,
cornerscapes
and
pedestrian
activity.
Alongsidewalks-
and
these
are
the
two
buildings
that
I
was
referring
to.
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The
bottom
left
photo
is
what
you
would
see
standing
at
the
corner
of
Brazil
Street
in
Pennsville
place.
The
architectural
design
is
a
modern,
contemporary
and
includes
variation
of
horizontal
and
vertical
breaks.
The
proposed
materials
include
smooth
stucco,
stone,
veneer
and
an
abundance
of
storefront
windows
on
the
ground
floor
and
Landscaping
buffers,
creating
a
more
visually
appealing,
Street
Frontage.
That
will
benefit
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
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The
proposed
building
also
introduces
a
pedestrian
scale
massing
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building,
by
bringing
only
the
first
story
element
towards
the
public
right
away
and
introducing
the
shed
roof
to
transition.
This
portion
of
the
building
to
the
Second
Story.
This
element
introduces
an
element
which
has
a
residential
feel
and
allows
the
development
to
physically
transition.
The
area
from
the
residential
apartment
uses
which,
but
the
Eastern
property
line
and
the
community
use
the
commercial
uses
which
are
located
immediately,
north
south
and
west
of
the
project
site.
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So
there's
a
50
percent
shade
requirement
for
the
California
green
code
and
to
achieve
that
they
planted
more
finger
Planters
and
located
the
trees
at
the
end
of
the
finger
Planters
to
create
more
shade
for
the
parking
areas.
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The
removal
of
the
California
sycamore
tree
will
accommodate
the
proposed
site
improvements.
There
is
a
one
to
three
replacement
tree
requirement
of
the
same
protected
species
and
size.
In
this
case
they
would
be
replacing
the
one
54
inch
diameter
tree
with
5
36
inch,
boxed
California
sycamore
trees,
and
they
are
only
required
to
do
one
excuse
me.
Two
24
inch
box,
trees
and
136
and
they're
doing
five
36
inch
in
replacement
of
that
tree.
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The
subject
California
sycamore
tree
needs
to
be
removed
due
to
its
site
improvements
for
the
proposed
medical
use,
building,
which
includes
grading
activities
over
excavation
and
recompaction
site,
retaining
walls
and
required
on-site
drainage
capture
and
storm
water
retention
in
accordance
with
the
Ventura
County
Technical
guidance
manual
for
storm
water
quality
control
measures.
The
applicant
team
and
staff
discuss
their
design
approaches
to
retain
the
tree
on
the
property.
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That
the
red
tree
canopy,
that
you
see
that
is
the
subject
California
Sycamore
on
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
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The
requirement
for
the
replacement
trees
of
a
protected
species
is
one
to
three
ratio,
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
five
36-inch
box,
California
sycamore
trees
exceeding
the
protected
tree
requirements.
The
replacement
trees
will
be
planted
alongside
and
rear
property
lines
shown
here
in
green,
along
with
the
other
trees
to
be
planted
within
the
parking
lot
area.
These
trees
will
screen
the
proposed
building
from
adjacent
properties
to
the
North
and
the
multi-family
residential
use
of
the
East.
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The
proposed
project
will
help
supplement
the
urban
Forest
within
the
geographic
area
by
planting
more
trees
than
the
required
replacement
tree
ratio
which
will
grow
in
stature,
Urban,
forests
or
Community
forests
help
filter
air
and
water
control,
storm
water,
conserve
energy
and
provide
animal
habitat
and
shade
Additionally.
The
surplus
of
replacement
trees
on
the
subject's
site
will
reduce
possible
Urban
heat
island
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
providing
long-term
benefits,
the
Surplus
replacement,
trees
and
the
subject
site
will
reduce
Urban
heat
island
in
the
immediate
vicinity
and
provide
long-term
benefits.
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Staff
has
determined
that
the
proposed
project
is
category
categorically
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
sequa
pursuant
to
Class
32,
section
15332
infill
development
projects,
because
it
meets
the
following
conditions.
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
applicable
General
plan,
designation
and
all
applicable
General
plan
policies,
as
well
as
with
applicable
zoning
designation
and
regulations.
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The
approval
of
the
project
would
not
result
in
any
significant
effects
relating
to
traffic
noise,
air
quality
or
water
quality,
and
the
site
can
be
adequately
served
by
all
required
utilities
and
public
services.
Additionally,
none
of
the
six
exemptions
to
the
use
of
the
category
categorical
exemption
apply
to
this
project.
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Stuff
has
determined
that
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
uses,
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
General
plan
and
Zoning
designation.
With
the
approval
of
the
requested
waivers,
the
proposed
project
will
comply
with
the
C2
development
standards
in
the
municipal
code
and
other
applicable
laws,
regulations
and
policies,
including
the
city's
architectural
design
guidelines.
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The
project
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
or
general
welfare,
because
the
project
does
not
intensify
the
existing
uses
beyond
what
has
been
anticipated
in
the
area
and
the
project
provides
a
better
relationship
with
the
street
and
promotes
pedestrian
activity
along
sidewalks
and
creates
a
visually
appealing
cornerscape.
Additionally,
conditions
have
been
included
to
ensure
the
project
will
not
cause
disturbance
to
the
neighboring
properties,
including
the
multi-family
development
adjacent
to
the
east.
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Based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
contained
in
tonight's
hearing
packet,
it
is
recommended
that
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
the
draft
resolution
to
find
the
project
is
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
sequa
and
to
approve
the
Project,
based
on
the
findings
and
subject
to
the
conditions
in
the
proposed
Planning
Commission
resolution
included
in
today's
agenda.
Packet
and
I
do
have
one
housekeeping
item
in
attachment
4
of
tonight's
hearing
packet,
which
is
the
proposed
Planning
Commission
resolution
condition.
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B
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
any
commissioner.
I
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F
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
few
I
did
not
oh
thank
you
for
your
report.
Miss
mcatee
I
did
not
see
any
comments
from
the
public
as
part
of
the
report
in
nor
do
I
seating
here.
I
just
want
to
confirm
there.
Are
there
any
comments
from
the
community.
H
Were
oppositions
no
phone
calls
nothing
from
the
public.
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F
And
again,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
do
my
visual
thing
so
I'm
from
what
you
said
that
Brazil
is
usually
would
have
been
the
front
of
the
street.
It
sounds
like
we're
just
switching
it
around
to
make
Pence
field
the
front
so
to
speak,
correct
that.
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F
Okay,
that's
what
it
looked
like,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
my
visual
process
was
accurate
and
then
in
the
the
trees
you
said
they
they're
doing
five,
and
they
normally
would
have
to
do
three.
Is
that
correct,
or
is
three
to
one.
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G
Thank
you
help
me
out
with
just
a
little
rudimentary
understanding
for
setback,
how
we're
calculating
it.
So
if
from
Brazil,
there
is
a
little
out
jutting
of
the
building
that
is
10
feet
from
Brazil
and
is
that
where
the
10-foot
setback
is
calculated
for
for
the
particular
site
plan.
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If
I
remember
the
plans
right
that
there
is
at
the
point
of
the
tree
or
the
cross
section
of
the
tree,
there
was
kind
of
a
a
cross
section
in
the
landmark
tree
report
that
that
looked
at
this,
the
the
position
of
where
the
building
is
from
Brazil
at
the
point
of
the
tree
is
roughly
14
feet
is.
Did
I
read
that
right.
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G
It
looked
to
me
like
it
was
at
least
a
couple
feet
out
kind
of
because
of
the
volume
of
the
tree
it
sort
of
would
would
you
know,
okay,
jut
out
a
little
bit
more
to
where
the
tree
is,
and
then
there
is
a
shading
or
grating
or
something
that
is
at
the
top
of
the
second
floor
jetting
out
further,
do
you
happen
to
know
how
how
close
from
the
ver
in
the
vertical
plane
that
additional
jetting
out
is
to
Brazil?
G
All
right,
thank
you
and
just
to
confirm
also
that
the
size
of
the
tree
from
The
Landmark,
the
tree
report
is
68
feet,
tall
plus
or
minus
yes,.
K
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
Ms
mcatee,
for
your
presentation,
so
I
think
we
might
have
dispatched
with
one
of
my
first
questions.
Slash
comments
was
that
if
we
were
to
reverse
or
by
the
transitive
property
to
switch
the
front
yard
setback
from
Brazil
to
Penn's
field,
then
it
would
meet
the
front
yard
setback,
requirements.
Correct.
K
That
is
correct,
okay
and
the
building
coverage
is
21
of
a
maximum
of
25
percent,
so
it
meets
within
that
standard.
K
25,
so
it
meets
that
standard,
so
I'm
curious.
What
sort
of
in
this?
Maybe
this
is
a
broader
discussion,
but
as
far
as
this
project
is
concerned,
what
are
the
standards
that
are
at
odds?
That
would
then
require
the
reduction
of
the
Interior
set
back
from
10
feet
to
5
feet
or
seven
feet
in
some
cases.
For
the
parking
lot
will
this
project
I
mean
a
good
question
would
be?
Would
this
project
work
without
that
reduction.
H
J
J
If
we
increase
the
amount
of
Landscaping
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
it
would
have
to
do
one
of
maybe
three
things:
either
shrink
the
access
of
the
driveway
access
with,
if
you
will,
or
the
drive
aisle
with
to
a
standard
that'd,
be
less
than
what
our
emergency
service
Vehicles
could
could
utilize.
So
that's
really
not
an
option
in
terms
of
Drive
aisles.
J
We
could
relocate
potentially
compact
parking
spaces
in
that
location
or
angle
parking,
but
if
you
angle
parking
we're
likely
to
lose
parking
spaces
as
you
go
through
that
process
in
our
discussions
with
the
applicant
team,
they
also
identified
that,
in
order
for
the
the
project
itself
to
be
financially
feasible,
there's
a
certain
leasable
space
that
they're
looking
at
putting
on
this
project
site
and
they've
achieved
that
with
this
design.
Overall,
the
Landscaping
that
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
J
B
I
just
had
one
question:
the
two
towers
that
are
at
the
35
feet:
are
they
purely
decorative
to
give
a
visual
Dimension
or
are
they
functional.
G
You
I
just
wanted
to
double
check
things:
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
some
of
the
grading
plans
and
the
cross
sections
there
is
the
excavation
and
recompaction.
Is
it
generally
limited
to
the
current
footprint
of
the
building,
meaning
that
the
parking
lots
are
that's
a
bit
unaffected.
G
G
So
when
I'm
looking
at
the
cross
sections-
and
it
says
limits
of
over
X
and
recompact,
which
seem
to
be
limited
to
the
building
footprint-
am
I
mistaken.
E
I
think
generally
you're
correct
and
also
to
most
of
it
most
of
the
grading
is
doing
also
for
drainage,
and,
if
you
look
it's
going
to
be
draining
towards
the
street
where
the
water
should
be
collected,
you
can
also
address
that
question
to
the
applicant
okay,.
B
Any
more
questions:
okay,
at
this
time,
it's
time
for
public
comments
and
first
we'll
have
the
applicant
yeah.
B
L
L
My
house
is
one
mile
exactly
as
the
crow
flies
from
from
this
property,
so
I
really
care
about
how
this
comes
out
and,
having
raised
my
kids,
going
to
Bada,
Sushi
and
prior
to
that,
some
wonderful,
singing,
waiters
and
waitresses
at
the
prior
restaurant
were
great
memories,
and
so
we
really
want
to
honor
this.
This
project,
this
site,
with
a
beautiful
building
and
I,
think
we've
we've
got
a
design
that
everybody
can
be
proud
of,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood.
We
believe
the
the
site
itself.
L
We
operate
several
other
medical
buildings
in
other
cities.
We
have
one
in
Pasadena
and
we
have
one
in
Santa
Clarita
and
so
the
reason
that
that
this
works
is
because
we
went
to
great
detail
to
to
make
it
financially
feasible
for
us
to
to
to
do
the
project
and
it's
right
on
the
border.
It
is
financially
feasible
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
make
the
project
as
we've
designed
it
now,
and
so
we
think
we've
got.
L
We've
got
a
winner
and
we
think
it's
going
to
be
great
for
for
the
area,
which
does
have
a
need
for
medical
office.
I
Know,
Myself
I've
lived
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
20
years
in
the
caneo
Oaks
neighborhood
and
for
every
one
of
those
20
years,
I've
driven
all
the
way
to
Oak
Park.
For
my
dentist,
I
would
love
not
to
do
that,
and
perhaps
we
can
get
him
to
come
over
and
and
take
one
of
the
spaces.
L
But
the
building
is
about
10
046
square
feet
of
medical
office
right
now
we
have
it
designed
for
10
units,
so
it
accommodate
small
medical
offices
and
Dentistry,
ranging
from
about
699
square
feet
to
about
1200
that
may
change
as
we
go
along
depending
on
what
kind
of
Interest
we
get.
But
that's
how
we
plan
to
plan
to
build
and
again
we
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great,
a
great
addition
to
the
to
the
community.
L
So
unless
Al
has
anything
else
to
say,
okay
I
think,
certainly,
if
there's
any
questions
that
you
have
we're,
we're
certainly
able
to
to
respond
to
those
we've
got
Corey
Antilla,
our
our
architect,
who's
been
working
so
diligently
on
the
project
he
this
was
his
time,
the
the
only
time
he
had
a
long-term
pre-planned
vacation
or
he
would
have
been
here
in
person
but
he's
available
by
video
tonight.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
him
to
appear
by
video
and
we
didn't
have
to
interrupt
his
vacation.
So
thank
you
all.
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
very
much
for
for
coming
tonight
and
talk
about
your
application,
so
I
just
want
to
follow
up
with
you
about
my
last
question,
which
dealt
with
about
the
over
excavation
and
recompaction.
It
looks
like
on
the
plans,
it's
sort
of
limited
to
the
the
current
roughly
current
footprint
of
of
the
building,
not
really
around
the
parking
areas.
What's
the
intent
for.
L
This
you
know
that
is
a
great
question
for
Corey
to
answer
and
I
know
he
has
the
answer
of
for
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
can
go
to
him
if
he
can
jump
in
and
and
give
you
an
answer
for
that,
I'll.
M
Ask
that
question
I
think
Cory
until
I
hear
I.
Think
the
civil
engineers
at
the
in
person
at
the
meeting
as
well
but
generally
over
excavation
and
Grading
that
occurs
on
the
site,
is
throughout.
It's
not
just
limited
to
the
building
it
does
you
over
X
can
recompact
for
retaining
walls
and
I
know
some
of
the
low
impact
design.
These
storm
drain
systems
as
well
I
think
there's
some
of
that
goes
on
there
as
well,
but
maybe
I
believe
Ka.
The
project
civil
engineer
can
expand
on
that.
B
We
come
up,
I,
think
I.
Think.
G
B
If
you
don't
mind
coming
up
to
the
lectern
and
then
state
your
name
in
city
of
residence,
for
the
record.
N
N
Have
a
lot
okay,
the
over
excavation,
that
is
on
the
planet.
Five
feet
from
the
Pres
proposed
building
phase
is
what
the
soils
engineer
has
defined.
My
experience
is
that
it
seldom
goes
less
than
that,
but
it
can
go
more
than
that.
For
reasons
of
this
site
was
previously
a
building
site,
and
the
soils
engineer
who
will
be
out
on
site
during
the
overex
process
can
extend
that
over
X
as
needed
to.
N
G
H
A
F
Thank
you,
chair,
Mr
Brian,
come
on
down
a
few
of
my
general
housekeeping
questions
that
I
kind
of
go
through
so
you're
going
to
have
this
be
entirely
for
medical
purposes.
Right,
yes,.
L
F
L
Medical
tendencies
in
the
city
there
are
some
spaces
available,
many
of
them
tend
to
be
older
and
a
bit
run
down.
We
also
have
an
office
building
in
the
city
that
you
know
has
vacancy
in
it,
but
we
think
that,
with
the
quality
of
the
building
that
we're
going
to
make-
and
you
know
it's
a
new
building-
we
think
it'll
be
very
attractive
for,
for
you
know,
to
get
medical
tenants
and.
F
F
We
run
into
some
Association
issues
with
regard
to
that
issue.
The
obligatory
question
you
there
was
conditions,
obviously
placed
on
this
process.
Are
you
agreeable
with
all
the
conditions
that
were
placed
within
the
staff
report?
Yes,.
F
I
normally
ask
a
question,
but
you've
kind
of
already
answered
and
that
you,
it
seems
like
you
do
this
for
a
living,
so
I'm
assuming
your
intent,
is
to
actually
build
and
not
flip
it.
But
I
would
like
to
know
what
is
your
general
again
I'm,
not
holding
you
to
it,
but
General
timeline
that
you
think
you
might
be
able
to
follow.
Assuming
things
go
in
an
ordinary
fashion
as
to
when
it
would
be
ready.
L
Well,
I
mean
we
would
like
to
move
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
once
we
get
you
know,
building
permits,
we've
got
to
go
through
the
process
of
getting
the
building
permits,
but
you
know
we
would
imagine
being
able
to
start
in
the
next
we'd
love
to
start
in
the
next
six
months
and
probably
be
a
year-long
building
process.
Okay,.
F
L
I
know
that
we
had
problems
just
because
of
the
the
site,
size
and
I
know
there
was
a
turnaround,
a
problem
there
and
I.
Remember,
you
know
having
several
meetings
about
well,
we
could
we
could
do
the
only
way
we
can
do
it
is.
If
we
we
can.
You
know
shorten
that
that
one
planter
and
then
that
solved
the
problem
that
Corey
may
want
to
fill
fill
in
the
gaps
there.
But
that
was
my
understanding
of
why
we
had
to
do
that
and
ask
for
that.
M
Yeah
I
think
it
just
had
to
do
with
trying
to
it's.
It's
just
The,
Balancing
Act
of
you
know
getting
the
circulation
parking
and
square
footage
to
all
work
harmoniously,
along
with
the
with
all
the
cow,
green
and
shade
requirements
as
well.
F
I
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
I
love,
I
love.
The
elements
that
you
proposed
I
think
I
think
the
building
the
building
elements
are
beautiful.
So,
like
the
sheet
metal,
roofs
and
things
like
that,
it's
you
know
it's
it's
in
keeping
with
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
on
the
boulevard,
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
and
I
think
it's
I
think
what
you've
chosen
is
really
beautiful.
So
my
question
is
you
said
that
you've
you've
done
other
medical
buildings
with
with
what
you've
proposed
in
those
buildings
to
what
ultimately
was
produced.
L
Our
prior
medical
buildings
were,
we
purchased
those,
so
we
didn't
build
those
ground
up
the
other
office
building
that
we've
done
in
Thousand
Oaks,
which
is
over
by
the
Los
Robles
golf
course,
but
we
did
build
that
from
ground
up
and
and
we
built
it
just
as
just
as
the
plans
showed
as
far
as
I
know,.
C
J
J
We
mentioned
that
the
second
floor
cantilevers
over
the
first
floor,
there's
a
two
foot
dimension
for
that
cantilever
and
then
there's
a
roof
element
as
well
that
that
further
comes
off
the
building,
it's
kind
of
like
an
open
trellis.
If
you
will,
that's
can't
lead
over
a
building,
that's
an
additional
four
feet.
So
a
total
of
six
feet.
If
you
will,
as
measured
from
the
ground
plane.
G
B
Okay,
awesome
any
other
follow-up
comments.
J
The
only
other
one
that
I
wanted
to
share
just
to
to
clarify
the
amount
of
landscaping.
That's
on
the
the
ground
floor
in
the
parking
area
itself,
we
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
they're,
providing
about
double
the
amount
of
required
parking
per
the
municipal
code
when
you're
looking
at
the
number
of
landscape
islands
that
are
out
there,
so
there
is
in
some
way
you
know
competing
priorities
here,
Landscaping
versus
parking,
as
we
looked
at
the
amount
of
traffic
that.
C
J
Expected
to
visit
the
site,
especially
during
a
peak
period,
we
do
find
that
there's
enough
parking
provided
on
site
to
accommodate
the
peak,
our
flows,
if
you
will
and
given
that,
given
that
the
parking
lot
as
designed
can
accommodate
that
parking
and
we
were
able
to
also
design
additional
Landscaping
onto
the
site,
that's
the
reason
why
essentially,
staff
was
behind
the
current
design
for
this
parking
lot.
J
Parking
space
being
you
know,
eight
to
nine
feet,
wide
18
to
20
feet,
deep,
depending
on
which
size
parking
space,
we're
talking
about
removing
those
parking
spaces
and
replacing
it
with
landscaping.
That's
the
trade-off
that
we're
looking
in
terms
of
the
parking
production
in
terms
of
the
setbacks.
J
J
If
we
flip-flop
the
building,
so
the
deeper
setback
would
be
on
Brazil
and
the
shorter
one
would
be
on
pensfield.
In
theory,
the
building
design
could
be
flip-flopped,
but
it's
it's
not
always
that
simple,
because
we're
talking
about
the
parking
design,
the
parking
lot
would
have
to
be
reconfigured
and
what
not
to
accommodate
that.
J
But
again,
the
the
design
of
the
building
staff
found
that
it
worked
and
we're
supportive
of
it,
especially
given
the
history
of
other
front
yard,
setback
reductions
that
have
been
approved
in
this
area
to
try
to
engage
our
pedestrian
traffic
along
the
the
street.
Both
on
this
property
down
to
six
feet
at
one
point
in
time,
as
well
as
the
other
buildings
that
have
historically
existed
in
the
area,
the
Mimi's
building
and
and
the
current
Starbucks.
What
was
previously
at
the
current
Starbucks
location,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
those
are
helpful
to
answer
those
questions
very.
B
K
K
You
no,
my
apologies,
because
I
I'm,
too
lazy
I'll
just
say
that
right
out
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
look
it
up.
But
this
is
not
within
any
specific
plan.
Correct.
K
K
H
K
To
add
that,
or
maybe
it's
somewhere
that
I
just
couldn't
locate,
but
we
are
saying
that
setback
is
based
on
ground
floor,
not
any
kind
of
cantilevered
element
of
the
building
second
floor
or
third
floor
Etc.
So
it's
just
set
back
from
right-of-way
or
property
line
to
the
nearest
ground
level
element.
H
But
you
can
encroach
into
that
setback
for
architectural
elements.
Typically,
it's
two
feet
and
that's
what
the
cantilevered
area
is
two
feet
on:
the
Second
Story.
K
B
Are
there
any
other
questions
of
staff
before
I
close
the
meeting
again?
Okay,
the
meeting
is
closed
and
now
is
there
any
discussion
or
emotion.
B
Meaning,
oh
yes,
the
public
area.
You
got
me
all
mixed
up
here.
The
public
hearing
is
closed.
Let's
continue
our
meeting.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
identifying
the
four
issues
as
to
why
they're,
here,
the
first
being
the
I
guess
the
juxtaposition
of
the
building
to
me.
That
was
a
reasonable
accommodation
in
terms
of
turning
the
front
to
the
other
side
of
the
street,
so
that
I
I
didn't
have
a
problem
with
I
think
it
makes
sense
in
terms
of
of
how
the
building
is
going
to
be
structured
and
where
the
parking
lot
is.
The
second
issue,
in
terms
of
the
Landscaping
on
the
North
side,
I
actually
think
going
towards
again.
F
F
The
less
Landscaping
on
that
side,
especially
considering
all
the
other
Landscaping
they're
doing,
which
leads
to
my
third
point
in
that
the
loss
of
the
parking
is
an
issue
for
me,
but
the
additional
finger
boxes
so
to
speak
in
the
additional
trees
kind
of
makes
up
for
that
and
and
provides
I
think
a
little
bit
of
a
distinction
and
also
a
little
bit
of
a
not
barrier
so
to
speak,
but
something
between
the
other
properties.
That
makes
sense.
For
me,
the
big
one
for
me
was
the
tree.
F
That
is
tough,
because
it's
a
beautiful
tree
and
it's
a
very
tall
tree
I
understand
the
Dynam,
the
dimensions
of
the
property
and
how
it's
supposed
to
be
and
again
considering
the
prior
uses.
That
probably
makes
sense
I
think,
given
this
current
intended
use,
it
probably
doesn't
so.
I
am
okay
with
that
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
if
I
can
get
my
glasses
here
we
go.
F
G
Thank
you,
I
think
the
applicant
for
Brian
I,
think
probably
aptly
described
this,
which
is
it's
sort
of
on
the
the
edge
of
what
we're
being
asked
to
do
with
respect
to
having
the
project
adhere
to
City
standards
and
approve
permits
for
its
use
versus
what
the
applicant
has
stated,
as
as
their
economic
viability
about
what
they
want
to
do,
and
the
choices
and
the
constraints
that
they're
kind
of
putting
on
themselves.
G
In
order
to
do
that,
I
I
think,
unfortunately,
because
we're
on
that
hairy
Edge,
not
everybody's,
going
to
agree
I'm
in
a
position
to
where
I
can't
support
the
motion.
I,
don't
think
that
I've
seen
enough
to
where
I
feel
comfortable
with
the
findings
for
the
protected
tree,
permit
that
it
requires
removal
to
enable
reasonable
and
conforming
use
of
the
property
and
I'm
not
quite
comfortable
with
providing
the
the
finding
to
accommodate
the
economic
feasibility
of
it.
I
think
those
are
those
are
choices.
G
Those
choices
are
again
as
the
applicant
estate
is
sort
of
on
the
on
the
line,
but
there
this
is
a
tree
that
is,
of
average,
is
slightly
on
the
higher
end
of
average
health.
For
its
specie
and
it's
you
know
something
that,
where
I
think
that
the
previous
use
of
this
property
had
probably
half
the
square
foot,
because
it
was
a
restaurant,
had
a
different
type
of
use
for
it.
So
it
requires
more
parking
for
its
use.
G
G
If
there
was
an
inability
to
redesign
this
and
not
remove
the
tree,
there
would
still
need
to
be
a
probably
a
protected
tree
permit,
because
there
would
need
to
be
encroachment
into
the
drip
line
for
for
any
of
this,
but
I
don't
I
am
not
comfortable
with
supporting
the
design
as
as
proposed,
given
the
choices,
the
constraints,
what
we're
being
asked
to
approve
so
again,
like
I,
said
I
think
the
applicant
was
correct.
This
is
really
on
the
line
I'm
just
on
the
other
side
of
it.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think
we're
going
to
be
heading
into
these
types
of
situations
where
we're
going
to
be
having
competing
interests,
and
it
seems
like
we
have
a
lot
of
them,
mostly
from
the
standpoint
of
the
the
project,
project,
viability
and
well
and
even
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
it
sounds
like
Cal
green
with
the
so
we're
robbing
Peter
to
pay
Paul,
in
essence,
with
the
setback
reduction
on
the
parking
lot
side
to
have
more
finger
Islands
to
have
more
parking
lot
coverage.
So
I
understand
that
the
parking
requirement.
K
Well,
we
need
to
have
more
finger
Islands,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
get
rid
of
parking
spaces.
Luckily,
for
you,
you've
got
a
mostly
empty
street
during
the
day,
so
there's
a
shared
parking
element
there.
That
is
helpful
on
both
pinsfield
and
Brazil.
So
I'm,
not
particularly
worried
about
that
you're,
not
even
using
the
amount
of
building
coverage
that
you
could
statutorily
use
on
this
site.
K
So
there's
so
many
different
things
being
thrown
at
the
site
and
it
still
sounds
like
we
don't
have
enough
space
and
I
can't
imagine
what
kind
of
financing
you're
going
to
find
in
this
environment,
but
I
mean
obviously
that
that
figures
in
not
my
responsibility,
obviously
but
probably
figures
in
heavily
as
to
what's
buildable
on
this
site.
The
loss
of
the
sycamore
tree
is
certainly
a
loss,
but
at
the
same
time
it
goes
back
to
that
economic
viability.
K
You
just
have
too
many
competing
interests
here,
but
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things,
I
will
actually
support
the
motion
because
it
is
a
it's
a
beautiful
project,
we've
just
thrown
so
much
at
you,
whether
it's
the
city
or
the
state,
it
almost
impossible.
So
I
think
you
did
a
good
job
in
the
words
of
one
of
our
former
colleagues,
we
don't
want
perfect
to
be
the
enemy
of
good.
B
D
B
G
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
commend
the
chair
for
her
comments
at
the
top
of
the
meeting
regarding
the
commemoration
for
Juneteenth
I
know
that
we
I
had
brought
it
up
at
the
end
of
the
comments
before
we
did
receive
some
correspondence
from
a
resident
encouraging
the
city
to
honor
the
the
federal
holiday
which
which
was
approved
a
couple
years
ago
by
the
federal
government.
My
understanding
is
that
then
there
was
a
response
which
also
said
that
there's
going
to
be
a
recommendation
going
to
council
about
an
option
for
taking
a.
G
Holiday
on
that
day,
my
hope
would
be
that
I'd
like
to
encourage
that
the
the
city
actually
make
it
a
holiday
in
some
ways.
It's
not
merely
in
my
my
thought.
It
is
not
merely
a
cultural
holiday
but
an
American
holiday,
one
that
federal
government
has
has
made,
and
it's
actually
wasn't
controversial
when
it
was
adopted.
The
Senate
unanimously
approved
it
as
the
Juneteenth
National
Independence
Day
act.
G
The
house
435
members
strong
approved
it
with
a
401
vote
majority,
so
it
it's
one
in
which
it
helps
us
understand
the
nature
of
our
history
and
what
we
have
done
to
overcome
it
and
continue
on
our
self-governing
journey
and
so
by
having
City
city
offices
close
and
allows
the
whole
Community
to
know
that
not
merely
an
employee
that
might
choose
to
take
out
that
off.
So
that's
only
my
comment
that
would
urge
the
city
in
their
deliberations
to
Think
Through
thanks.
F
I
think
he
tried
to
say
for
everybody
out
there.
The
beautiful
green
foliage
we
have
is
something
that
actually
could
be
a
problem.
Come
November
in
October
you're,
seeing
lots
of
insurance
companies
do
things.
Please
please
do
the
the
required
removal
of
of
any
kind
of
bushes
and
trees
within
the
hundred
feet
of
a
structure.
Do
everything
you
can
to
try
to
minimize
that
effect,
because,
again
we're
facing
an
issue
that
come
October
November.
F
B
E
B
E
Www.Toks22045.Org
to
see
the
draft
and
give
feedback
also,
there
will
be
many
opportunities
to
participate
in
the
process,
starting
with
a
meeting
held
by
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
to
review
the
draft
on
Wednesday
June
28th,
starting
at
6
pm
here
at
City
Hall.
The
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
Also,
a
public
workshop
on
the
draft
general
plan
is
scheduled
for
Thursday
June
29th,
starting
at
6
pm
at
Los
Robles
greens.