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A
Good
evening
thousand
oaks
we're
going
to
have
the
start,
the
planning
commission
meeting
for
september
21st
2020.-
I
want
to
let
everybody
at
home,
know
that
the
commissioners
and
most
of
the
public
are
participating
via
telecom
conference
or
video
conference
to
a
sister
city
in
trying
to
maintain
social
distancing.
D
A
C
We
do
chair,
we
have
two
supplemental
packets
this
evening
that
relate
to
item
7a
and
7b
on
the
agenda.
Copies
are
available
on
the
dyess
for
you
and
as
well
as
for
commissioners
at.
A
Home
and
I
believe
all
of
us
got
those
so
and
I
confirmed
actually
before
the
meeting
all
the
commissioners
got
those
packets
number
five
public
comments.
Madam
secretary,
do
we
have
any
public
comments.
C
A
E
I
move
that
we
go
ahead
and
approve
those
minutes.
D
A
C
F
F
This
is
the
vicinity
map
of
the
property
of
the
project
site.
This
is
vento
park
road.
There
is
a
residential
area
to
the
north
east,
the
north
and
northeast
area
of
the
of
the
project
site,
the
rest
to
the
to
the
east,
west
and
south.
F
I
mean
I'm
sorry,
west,
south
and
east
of
the
property
are
mostly
industrial
projects
or
areas.
F
This
is
the
area
for
the
subject
facility.
The
involved
facility
here
is
located
here
on
this
equipment
enclosure.
The
antennas
are,
one
of
the
sector
is
located
here.
This
is
the
site,
that's
closest
to
the
residential
properties,
which
is
to
the
northeast
on
fox
spring.
This
is
approximate.
This
antennas
at
the
face
are
approximately
960
to
about
a
thousand
feet
away
from
the
nearest
home
to
the
northeast
side
on
fox
springs,.
F
This
appeal
requires
planning
commission
review
because
section
9-4.2807.
F
F
As
a
matter
of
background
for
the
project,
the
amgen
corporate
building-
that's
involved
in
this-
was
approved
in
1979
for
construction
in
2009.
F
F
F
On
june
25,
the
an
administrative
hearing
was
conducted
and
in
that,
during
that
hearing,
the
administrative
hearing
officer
found
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
resolution
97
197
and
it
has
demonstrated
planned
compliance
with
the
federal
guidelines
on
rf
or
radio
frequency
and
that
the
project
is
exempt
under
as
a
class
1
exemption
under
sqa
on
june
30
2020,
the
the
appellant
filed
an
appeal.
F
The
the
proposed
site
plan-
this
is
the
proposed
site
plan
for
the
project.
The
equipment
cabinet
is
located
on
the
ground
floor
of
the
building.
F
On
the
east
side,
the
the
equip
the
antennas
are
located
on
the
rooftop
one
here,
one
here
and
one
here
this
this
antenna
here
on
this
on
the
east
side
is
the
closest
to
the
residential
areas
which
is
about.
Like
I
said
it's
about,
960
960
feet
away
the
antennas,
the
certain
equipment
cabinets
will
be
installed
within
the
equipment,
room
and
others
like
tma's
tower
mounted
amplifiers
rrus,
which
is
the
remote
radio
units
would
be
installed
behind
the
equipment,
enclosure
and
the
antennas
would
be
on
the
face.
F
This
shows
the
the
antenna
like
I
said
before.
The
antennas
are
currently
installed
on
the
face
of
the
equipment
enclosure.
F
F
The
the
facility
was
evaluated
based
on
the
compliance
with
the
city's
wireless
standards.
F
This
is
the
this
table
is
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of.
What's
existing
and
what's
being
posed,
the
12
panel
antennas,
some
of
them
are
being
removed
and
some
being
replaced,
the
dmas
will
be
totally
removed,
so
there
will
be
no
power
mounted
amplifiers
left
are
used,
some
of
them
would
be
removed
and
replaced,
and
the
total
rru
should
be
12.
So
that's
an
increase
of
two
or
three
rrus.
F
The
appellant
has,
as
he
stated,
that
the
ground
for
appeal
are
as
follows.
F
First,
off
approval
of
this
project
was
beyond
the
authority
of
the
hearing
officer
and
its
violation
in
violation
of
california
law
because
of
the
following
that
the
listed
applicant
is
not
an
entity
registered
to
do
business
in
the
state
of
california.
Yukon
grove,
which
is
representing
atm
t,
does
not
have
legal
authority
to
file
an
application
for
any
other
entity
and
granting
of
the
permit
renders
the
indemnification
condition,
meaning
meaningless
and
unenforceable.
F
In
response
to
what
the
applicant
pointed
out
section,
the
there's
a
thousand
ox
municipal
code
section,
which
is
listed
on
the
screen,
which
grants
the
decision
making
authority
to
the
community
development
director
or
his
destiny
for
certain
applications.
These
applications
are
administrative
applications
that
we
can,
such
as
precise
plans
of
design
and
minor
modifications.
F
The
another
section
allows
the
filing
of
an
entitlement
application
by
alicia
who
holds
a
written
list,
provided
that
the
lease
allows
the
use
that's
being
applied
for
in
this
case,
the
applicant
has
an
agreement
with
amgen
for
the
wireless
communications
facility.
F
F
This
has
been
a
standard
practice
for
the
city
in
case
of
the
final
approval
for
the
document.
The
final
approval,
which
is
an
attachment
to
the
staff
report,
reflects
the
applicant's
or
the
permit
is
name
which
is
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs
llc,
and
they
will
be
responsible
for
the
for
condition.
Compliance.
F
Yukon
is
stated
that
a
tnt's
name,
the
actual
atm
t
name-
is
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs.
F
This
is
what
will
is
reflected
in
the
approval
document
that
is
signed
by
the
hearing
officer,
and
this
is
also
reflected
on
the
attachment
for
which
is
the
proposed
resolution
for
planning
commission.
If
the
planning
commission
decides
to
uphold
the
hearing
officer's
approval
after
the
approval,
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
sign
and
submit
an
acceptance
condition
which
holds
them
legally,
which
legally
binds
them
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
F
For
this.
For
for
this
project,
the
applicant
is
correct.
I
mean
I'm
sorry.
The
appellant
is
correct
in
terms
of
having
a
duly
registered
entity
as
the
applicant
in
the
approval
letter
and
staff
has
made
the
changes
and
make
sure
that,
in
future
approvals,
that
the
name
reflected
on
all
the
applications
and
documents
will
be
that
of
a
legal
entity.
F
Staff
has
obtained
a
copy
of
the
certificate
of
status
from
the
office
of
california's
secretary
of
state,
which
is
attachment.
9
page
106
of
your
staff
report,
which
indicates
that
atnt
is,
is
legal
to
it's
legal
for
at
t
con
to
conduct
business
in
the
state
of
california.
F
G
G
F
Thank
you,
dr
kramer,
as
this
project
has
been
evaluated
in
terms
of
the
city's
wireless
standards
and
it
complies
because
none
of
the
element,
none
of
the
elements
of
these
wireless
facilities
will
be,
will
be
visible
from
public
view,
which
is
the
number
one
requirement
for
97
197..
F
The
applicant
has
demonstrated
and
confirmed
by
dr
kramer,
that
that
has
that
has
demonstrated
that
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
plant
compliance
with
fcc's
rf
emission
standards
and
the
applicant
name,
which
is
new,
singular
wireless.
Pcs
llc
is
identified
in
the
approval
resolution.
F
A
A
H
I've
been
an
att
shareholder
predating
my
time
on
the
commission,
so
I
should
recuse
myself
here,
even
though
I
believe
whether
I
believe
I
can
hear
the
case
impartially
or
whether
california
law
allows
me
to
hear
the
case
doesn't
really
matter
there's
at
least
the
appearance
of
a
conflict
here.
So
I
will
sit
this
one
out.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Newman
other
commissioners,
questions
for
staff.
A
I
Yes
is
this:
is
this
facility
for
the
benefit
of
the
amgen
campus
or
for
all
of
newbury
park.
A
A
Okay
with
that
we're
going
to
go
to
the
appellant,
which
is
I'm
sorry.
A
Somebody
needs
to
mute
because
we're
hearing
reverberation
of
my
voice-
and
I
I
hear
enough
of
my
voice
as
it
is.
Thank
you-
we're
going
to
go
to
the
appellant
which
is
mandy
jacob
and
her
attorney
mark
pollock,
and
you
have
15
minutes.
J
Thank
you
good
evening.
This
is
mark.
Can
you
hear
me?
We
absolutely
can
oh
good
well
initially,
commissioner
and
chairman
of
the
commission,
thank
you
for
accommodating
me
on
my
request
to
continue
this
matter,
because
we
had
wildfires
up
here
in
napa
and
solano
county
and
we
were
unable
to
breathe
so
with
that
currently
resolved.
I'd
like
to
address
what
has
been
referenced
by
mr
chua
in
the
staff
report.
J
J
There
are
two
reasons
why
this
should
concern
you
one
is
that
there
is
an
indemnity
and
insurance
provision
as
part
of
the
permit
process,
and
so
you
want
to
be
sure
that
the
entity
who
you
are
granting
the
permit
to
actually
exists
so
that,
in
the
event
that
lawsuits
result
in
the
event
that
there
is
fire
or
conflagration
in
the
event
that
there
is
negligence
and
they
exceed
the
fcc
regulated
standards
for
rf
emissions
and
someone
gets
ill
and
sues.
J
You
want
to
be
sure
that
whoever
is
indemnifying.
The
city
is
an
actual
legal
entity
that
can
fulfill
that
obligation
under
its
contract
and
under
its
permit.
J
The
next
issue
which
I'd
like
to
raise
is
that
the
entity
which
purports
to
file
the
application
on
behalf
of
this
unnamed
att
entity
is
a
t.
Mobility
corporation,
a
t.
Mobility
corporation
is
allegedly
the
manager
of
new,
singular
wireless
pcs
llc,
and
they
come
forward
acting
with
uconn
group
to
file
this
application.
J
J
Now
I've
raised
that,
by
virtue
of
the
document
that
I
filed
with
this
planning
commission,
I
provided
hard
copies
of
printouts
from
the
secretary
of
state
website
to
substantiate
our
position
in
response
to
what
we
have
done
now.
I'm
informed
at
this
meeting
by
mr
chua
that
the
application
has
been
changed
and
it's
now
my
understanding
that
the
application
and
the
permit
will
be
in
the
name
of
new,
singular
wireless
pcs
llc.
J
The
court
of
appeals
required
the
fcc
to
require
nepa
analysis
of
small
cell
technology
placement
throughout
the
united
states.
J
Now
I
know
enough
of
the
history
of
this
body
to
have
risked
to
have
listened
previously
to
mr
kramer,
dr
kramer,
forgive
me
and
I
understand
his
position,
which
is
that
under
47,
usc,
section
332
c7
b4,
that
you
are
not
entitled
to
consider
health
effects
of
radio
frequency
emissions
regarding
the
deployment,
maintenance
or
modification
of
any
facility,
and
I
would
submit
to
you
that
that
is
a
mischaracterization
of
federal
law.
J
What
the
section
actually
says
is
that
you
may
not
consider
environmental
effects
of
radio
frequency
emission.
It
never
mentions
health
effects.
Now.
What
is
the
distinction?
The
distinction
is
this:
it's
very
simple
and
I'm
sure
each
of
you
will
understand
it.
Environmental
effects
are
those
effects
that
impact
the
external,
the
environment.
J
K
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
just
put
on
my
video
thank
you
mark
for
putting
it
so
eloquently
and
thank
you,
commissioners
for
listening
to
me
tonight.
Basically,
all
I
wanted
to
say
is
I'm
firstly,
appalled
to
find
out
about
this.
I
think
that's
why
I'm
professional?
K
If
I'm
appealing
this,
I
shouldn't
be
finding
out
on
the
spot
that
the
application
has
been
changed,
which
just
goes
down
to
the
fact
that
honestly,
you
meet
with
these
telcom
industries,
all
the
time
in
person,
we've
been
begging
for
a
year
and
a
half
to
meet
with
you
in
person
and
that
in
itself
needs
questioning.
So
let
me
just
begin
by
saying
I
am
microwave
sick.
I've
been
clinically
diagnosed
by
an
icd-10
code.
My
physician
has
given
the
letter
to
the
city
attorney.
K
I
raised
this
issue
a
year
ago
already,
when
I
gave
my
ada
request
to
the
city
attorney,
and
you
sit
here
now
in
default
and
we
are
sitting
in
a
position
which
I
didn't
want
to
be
in
to
begin
with.
But
again,
the
city
is
negligent
they're
trying
to
make
this
entire
process
go
away,
so
my
community
backs
up
to
engine
and
I'm
not
the
only
microwave
sick
person
that
has
been
clinically
diagnosed.
That
has
lodged
a
complaint
with
the
city
attorney.
K
K
I
would
like
to
go
on
to
the
fact
I'm
talking
about
dr
cramer,
when
I
first
spoke
to
you
a
year
ago
with
the
dr
tachyon
case,
which
now
has
been
administered
the
writ
of
mandamus
against
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
we
appeal
to
you
to
please
don't
make
this
become
a
lawsuit.
It
was
then
that
dr
kramer
told
us
that
there
was
no
such
thing
that
had
to
you
did
not
have
to
worry
about
the
ada
which
I've
just
said.
Please
go
and
read
the
title.
K
K
We
know
that
the
9th
of
august
2019,
the
second
highest
court
in
the
land
districts,
said
that,
in
fact,
every
application
needs
a
need
for
review
and
to
back
this
up
now,
the
writ
of
mandemus
that
has
been
leveraged
on
the
city
has
been
fighting
on
that
forefront
as
well,
and
that
looks
like
it's
coming
through
again.
We
we
have
the
reputation
of
dr
kramer
at
you
know
at
a
pass
here.
K
First
last
time
I
spoke
to
you,
I
told
you
that
the
judge
kicked
out
his
case
with
atnt
versus
carlsbad,
because
he
sided
with
the
telecoms
and
then
now
he's
got
a
track
record
now
the
city
of
malibu,
who
has
hired
the
regulators
who
have
won
against
the
fcc
they
have
drafted,
and
this
is
part
of
the
public
records
that
I
submitted.
K
They
have
drafted
all
their
complaints
about
the
misinformation
that
kramer
has
given
them
he's,
not
the
only
litigator
harry
lehmann,
a
very
well
known,
litigator
has
also
racked
up
a
lot
of
misinformation
that
your
consultant
is
telling
you,
because
he
is
not
reading
the
title
47
usc
code,
so
you
have
all
these
issues
happening,
and
yet
we
still
go
back
to
what
dr
kramer
says.
K
I
don't
understand
why
dr
kramer
is
there
when
we
have
even
better
a
thousand
oaks
residents,
more
professional
we've
got
professor
trevor
marshall,
who
has
the
same
technical
degree
that
dr
kramer
has
and
then
is
now
working
with
the
bio
initiative.
As
a
scientist
who
has
offered
to
meet
with
everyone
face
to
face
to
talk
about
this,
the
responsible
role,
instead
of
making
your
residents
sicker,
we
can
have
these
towers,
we're
not
saying
don't.
K
Have
them
we're
asking
you
not
to
have
them
near
residential
areas
where
people
like
me
are
sick
already
and
are
going
to
get
sicker
and
unfortunately,
what
happens?
Is
it
snowballs?
You
want
this
problem
to
go
away.
We
came
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
we
asked
for
this
anyway.
There's
so
many
different
things
that
I
want
you
to
know.
The
first
city
attorney
has
been
reported
to
the
bar
exam
for
the
negligence
and
misinformation
up
in
northern
california,
and
the
case
has
been
already.
We
have
all
the
evidence
against
dr
kramer.
K
K
K
A
You,
mr
chicken,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioners,
council
commissioners,
questions
for
the
appellant,
mr
pollock,
or
miss
jacob.
A
Hearing
none,
I
will
ask
a
quick
one
of
mr
pollock,
the
the
case
you
cited
with
regard
to
the
nepa
issue,
chippewa
indians.
That
was
that
a
5g
case
correct.
J
No,
that
was
a
small
cell
technology
rollout
under
4g.
A
Well,
it's
a
small
cell
technology
and
the
facility
here
is
this
a
small
cell
facility
to
your
knowledge
yeah.
I
believe
it
is
okay
and
again
looking
at
the
way
that
you
framed
your
your
letter.
It
says
the
city
may
require
so
in
your
opinion,
it's
a
discretionary
issue
that
the
city
may
require
it
correct.
A
On
the
ada
issue,
I
I
understand
the
distinction
you're
trying
to
raise
as
to
environmental
or
health.
Have
you
found
any
statute
case
law
legislative
authority,
anything
that
actually
makes
that
distinction?
No,
sir,
I
have
not
all
right.
I
have
no
further
questions.
Commissioners,
any
other
questions.
L
Hello,
hello,
hi
good
evening,
honorable
planning
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
the
time
to
allow
me
to
speak
tonight.
I
I
have
two
written
statements
that
I
would
like
to
read.
One
is
overarchingly
explaining
the
scope
of
the
work
and
and
the
general
plans
for
the
project,
and
the
other
statement
has
to
do
with
responding
to
the
appeal
letter
that
was
filed
for
the
project.
L
L
California
91320
the
wireless
company
applying
for
the
modification
is
a
t
otherwise
known
as
new,
singular
wireless
pcs,
llc,
a
delaware,
limited
liability
company
by
att
mobility
corporation
as
manager
att,
is
proposing
to
modify
their
existing
facility
by
removing
nine
antennas
and
replacing
with
seven
new
antennas,
removing
six
rrus
and
replacing
with
12
new
rrus
and
removing
12
tmas
on
the
existing
buildings.
Rooftop.
The
scope
of
work
also
consists
of
removing
two
existing
baseband
units
noted
as
dus-41s
and
replacing
with
three
new
base
band
units
referred
to
as
bbu
6630.
L
Within
the
site's
existing
equipment
room
additionally,
one
new
dc-12
surge
suppressor
will
be
installed.
Also
within
the
existing
equipment
room,
the
site
is
located
on
the
rooftop
of
an
85-foot
building
within
a
manufacturing
zone.
The
antennas
are
divided
across
three
different
sectors:
sector,
a
is
mounted
onto
the
building's
existing
penthouse,
while
sector
b
and
c
are
mounted
onto
the
building's
mechanical
enclosure.
Each
sector
is
located
behind
frp
screening
material
designed
to
blend
the
antennas
into
the
building's
existing
aesthetics.
L
For
this
modification
att
would
like
to
utilize
this
opportunity
to
reduce
the
amount
of
materials
on
site
by
removing
antennas
and
equipment
that
are
no
longer
necessary
for
meeting
current
technological
needs.
In
doing
so,
all
antennas
and
equipment
will
continue
to
remain
behind
the
site's
existing
frp
streams.
The
facility
facilities,
leasing,
dimensions
will
not
change
in
any
aspect.
The
height
of
the
wireless
facility
and
the
height
of
the
overall
building
will
remain
the
same.
The
site
will
not
undergo
any
substantial
change
in
appearance.
L
This
is
evidenced
by
the
plans
and
photo
simulations
that
have
been
submitted
for
the
subject.
Application
swapping
out
antennas
and
equipment
is
a
fairly
standard
procedure
for
existing
wireless
facilities,
as
this
ensures
that
sites
remain
up
to
date
and
meeting
technological
needs.
In
this
case,
att's
update
is
required
to
improve
the
overall
4g
user
experience
by
installing
technology
designed
to
meet
capacity
needs
in
this
area
of
the
city.
I
would
like
to
emphasize
that
this
is
an
existing
site
and
the
modifications
purpose
will
serve
to
offload
capacity
for
atn
t
users.
L
Instead
of
building
an
entirely
new
facility.
It
is
a
preference
to
modify
sites
with
existing
entitlements
and
lease
agreements
in
which
antennas
and
equipment
are
swapped
out.
I
would
also
like
to
highlight
that
this
upgrade
will
include
firstnet
technology,
which
is
a
network
designed
to
provide
first
responders
with
access
to
fast
and
reliable
communications
whenever
needed.
This
modification
will
help
first
responders
to
stay
safe
throughout
their
work,
as
they
help
others
in
their
daily
operations,
and
it
will
also
help
them
in
addressing
disaster
response
and
recovery
situations
in
a
timely
manner.
L
Keeping
up
with
telecommunication
needs
is
crucial,
as
this
modification
shall
contribute
to
the
quality
of
the
city's
overall
infrastructure
and
will
also
ensure
that
network
coverage
services
are
adequately
met.
As
the
applicant
representatives,
we
have
worked
closely
with
our
planner
wilfredo
chua
to
ensure
that
the
site
and
its
proposal
complies
with
jurisdictional
requirements
maintained
by
the
city
and
the
federal
government
by
modifying
an
existing
facility,
removing
any
unneeded
equipment
and
ensuring
that
the
site
does
not
undergo
any
substantial
change
in
appearance.
L
We
believe
that
a
due
diligence
effort
has
been
made
to
meet
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
requirements
for
updating
telecommunication
facilities.
It
is
for
these
reasons
that
we
would
like
to
request
the
city's
approval
to
modify
the
atm's
existing
site
located
at
one
amigan
center
drive,
and
then
I
will
go
ahead
and
read
the
response
to
the
appeal.
L
New,
singular
wireless
pcs,
llc,
a
delaware,
limited
liability
company
is
an
indirect
100
percent
owned
subsidiary
of
att
inc.
Therefore,
new,
singular
wireless
pcs
llc
as
the
applicant
does
not
render
the
indemnity
condition
item
4
of
the
permit,
meaningless
or
unforeseeable,
with
respect
to
uconn
group's
authorization
to
file
the
application
on
behalf
of
applicant
uconn
group
does
in
fact
have
the
authorization
from
the
applicant
and
has
filed
a
letter
of
authorization
with
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
L
In
conclusion,
and
for
these
reasons,
stated
above
applicant
respectfully
request
that
the
commission
deny
appellant's
request
to
set
aside
the
approved,
permit
and
recommend
approval
thereof,
and
I
would
also
like
to
just
touch
on
a
few
questions
that
have
been
brought
up
well.
First
of
all,
I'd
actually
like
to
clarify
that
this
is
not
small
cell
technology.
L
This
is
a
what
we
call
a
macro
site,
so
it
is
not
small
cell
technology,
and
I
would
also
like
to
respond
to
a
question
that
was
brought
up
regarding
who
would
receive
the
coverage
and
the
coverage
would
address
about
a
1
000,
approximately
1
000
foot
radius
from
the
site
and
as
it
relates
to
nepa
requirements.
A
Thank
you,
miss
keith.
Was
there
a
matthew,
walsh,
welsh.
Excuse
me
that
also
wanted
to
make
any
comments.
A
Okay
and
just
for
clarity,
I
believe
that
what
miss
keith
was
referring
to
with
regard
to
the
nepa
information
was
in
packet
2.
Is
that
correct,
mr
parker?
A
E
I
just
want
to
clarify
make
sure
I've
got
the
two
things
straight
one.
This
is
not,
by
definition,
a
small
cell
facility,
correct.
E
Okay
and
then
my
second
question
was
about,
I
think
we
just
established
the
nepa
from
2015
that
we
have
in
our
packets
is
still
good
or
still
valid
at
this
point
without
any
alteration.
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
good.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
bus,
any
other
questions
from
commissioners.
A
Okay,
we
have
no
other
public
comment
with
regard
to
the
matter,
so
we'll
go
back
to
staff
for
follow-up.
Thank
you.
F
F
This
became
a
this
this
they
already
brought
up
this
issue
back
then.
So,
when
staff
created
the
letter
of
approval
that
was
signed
by
the
administrative
hearing
officer,
we
indicated
the
legal
name
of
atnt,
which
is
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs
llc,
which
is
part
of
the
attachment
that
we
provided
the
commission.
F
It's
attachment
number
seven,
which
is
page
100
of
your
of
your
staff
report,
and
this
indicates
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs,
llc,
a
delaware,
limited
liability
company
by
atm
t
mobility
corporation,
its
manager,
and
this
was
sent
out
to
the
applicant
and
the
appellant
when
this
was
signed
by
the
by
the
administrative
hearing
officer.
So
in
effect
the
applicant
should
have.
I
mean
the
appellant
should
have
known
by
reading
this,
that
we
made
the
change
to
reflect
the
legal
name
for
a
tnt.
F
As
far
as
the
rest
of
the
claim
that
was
made,
I
believe
that
dr
kramer
will
have
some
some
will.
Addre
will
be
addressing
some
issues
and
I'm
turning
this
over
to
dr
kramer.
G
G
I
think
first
I'll
say
that
it
is
and
should
be
apparent
to
the
planning
commission
that
I
wouldn't
say
and
haven't
said
to
this
planning
commission
or
to
the
public,
that
you
can't
evaluate
rf
safety
can't
talk
about
it.
In
fact,
we
do
that
for
virtually
every
project
that
comes
before
you
and
every
project
that
goes
in
front
of
the
za
and
that's
why,
in
your
staff
report,
you'll
see
a
report
from
my
office
regarding
rf
safety
compliance.
We
do
this
for
every
project.
G
G
As
for
the
coverage
looking
at
the
coverage
maps,
it
primarily
serves
the
amgen
campus
in
some
areas
around
it,
but
that's
what
what
cell
sites
do
these
days
with
the
development
of
wireless
facilities,
coverage
per
cell
site
decreases
and
that's
to
increase
the
network
capacity?
That's
as
far
as
technical
again
regarding
nepa,
although
there's
been
an
ether
report
submitted,
one
really
wouldn't
be
required
here,
because
this
is
not
a
federal
project.
G
It's
non-federal
land,
that's
what
the
united
kingdom
case
was
regarding
and
that's
because
indian
lands
are
federal
land,
so
that's
not
applicable
here,
hasn't
been
before
or
after
the
the
decision
with
ms
jacobs.
Her
comment
about
siding
with
the
telecoms
I'm
known
to
side
with
the
telecoms
when
they're
right
and
I'm
known
to
side
with
the
public,
the
local
government.
When
it's
right,
one
of
the
things
about
being
an
expert,
is
you
don't
pick
a
side
and
only
stand
that
side?
G
You
pick
the
truth
and
you
work
on
the
truth
to
make
sure
that
the
correct
information
goes
to
the
people
who
make
the
decisions.
So,
to
the
extent
that
I
say
things
like
the
project
complies
with
the
fcc
rules
and
therefore
it's
out
of
your
jurisdiction
to
make
any
decisions
based
on
that.
That's
based
on
the
law,
that's
not
based
on
my
side.
G
This
is
the
problem
with
the
polarization
miss
jacobs
also
made
some
interesting
comments
about
having
the
evidence.
G
Perhaps
she
was
referring
to
the
case
in
simi
valley,
where
residents
sue
the
cme
valley
over
a
self-site
issue,
wireless
issue
and
in
fact
one
of
the
requests
was
that
I
actually
be
administratively
fired
for
advising
the
city
on
the
law
correctly
and,
of
course,
that
case
was
thrown
out
of
court
in
january
of
this
year.
So
it's
it's
easy
to
make
claims,
but
you
know
when
you
get
down
to
the
facts,
it's
a
little
bit
more
than
that.
A
Thank
you,
dr
kramer,
to
cherish.
M
Me,
oh
yes,
I
I
do
think
based
on
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
tonight.
I
think
it
does
require
some
response
by
my
office,
just
because
I
heard,
as
mentioned
a
number
of
things.
One
of
them
is
you
heard
the
appellant
state
that
they
first
heard
about,
or
they
imply
that
they
first
heard
about
this
new
name
tonight
or
when
this
new
application
came
in.
M
M
What
is
this
entity
that
we
need
to
issue
the
permit
in
and
mr
pollock,
when
he
made
that
comment
before
the
administrative
era?
He
is
correct.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
identification
clause
or
any
clause
that
we
have
any
contract,
that
you
have
any
agreement,
that
you
have
with
any
entity
that
you
have
the
correct
entity
and
many
times
when
we
cite
cases-
and
we
all
do
this-
we
might
say
verizon
versus
city
and
county
of
san
francisco
or
att
versus
you
know,
city
of
richmond.
M
When
it
comes
to
the
actual
technical
citation.
You
actually
correctly
cite
the
entire
name
of
the
entity.
That's
involved
right
same
with
the
contract.
In
this
case
we
notified
them.
It
was
discussed
at
the
administrative
hearing.
It
was
discussed
before
the
appeal.
Hey
make
sure
we
understand
we
do
have
the
name.
We've
confirmed
that
they
are
licensed
to
do
business
in
california.
We
got
this
information
from
both
uconn
and
at
t
this
is
the
name
we're
using.
M
M
They
follow
applications
numerous
times
in
our
city
and
cities
across
southern
california,
and
they
are
not
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
person
who's
signing
off
on
the
on
the
permits
signing
off
on
the
agreement.
That
is
the
entity
whether
it's
a
property
owner
or
the
the
wireless
facility
operator
itself.
M
M
The
fact
is
that
sometimes
you
do
apply
nepa
analysis.
When
there's
a
federal
property
involved,
you
can
in
fact
you
can
make
an
applicant
do
both
a
nepa
and
a
sequa
on
certain
federal
property
kind
of
situations.
You
might
see
that
in
a
land
use
issue
involving
a
railroad,
for
example,
where
they're
crossing
into
a
city,
but
also
they
have
federal
obligations
as
well.
In
this
case,
we
did
sequa
now
you
heard
tonight-
and
this
is
in
response
to
the
supplemental
that
the
appellant
did
last
week
when
he
submitted
this
supplemental
with
two
new
arguments.
M
These
were,
in
addition
to
the
first
two
that
he
had
in
his
appeal
initial
appeal,
and
you
saw
att's
response
in
the
supplemental
number
two
tonight
and
that
is
that
they
actually
had
done
a
nepa,
because
fcc
is
the
one
that
controls
a
nepa
evaluation,
and
so
they
did
that
and
again
like
sequa.
When
you
look
at
this
particular
type
of
case,
the
fact
that
it's
a
a
wireless
facility,
a
remodel,
if
you
will
a
a
modification
on
top
of
a
building,
the
sql
analysis
and
the
nepa
analysis.
M
Both
of
them
are
going
to
be
very
simple
because
there's
not
a
great
environmental
impact.
The
building's
already
there,
the
the
the
facilities
already
there.
So
that
analysis
is
done
very
important.
It
is
done,
but
it's
one
in
which
we
find
usually
find
an
exemption
and
that's
the
case
for
the
sequa,
and
that
was
the
case
for
the
nippa
that
att
provided
in
the
supplemental.
M
The
last
one
has
to
do
with
ada,
and
you
heard
miss
jacobs.
She
made
a
comment,
and
again
I
normally
wouldn't
bring
this
up,
but
it
does.
It
is
important
to
make
the
record
clear,
and
the
record
is
that
she
did
talk
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
about
ada
issues.
We
have
responded
multiple
times.
The
last
one
was
in
may
of
this
year
may
5th
2020,
in
which
we
responded
to
her
application
request,
and
we
were
very
specific
in
our
response
to
her.
M
The
ada
issue
is
an
interesting
one,
but
the
fact
is
that
it
goes
back
down
to
and
both
mr
pollock
and
dr
kramer
and
even
the
representatives
from
att
note
this
that
when
you
look
at
the
ada,
you
first
have
to
look
at.
What
is
the
reason
for
this
application?
What
are
they
addressing
and
they're
addressing
the
fact
that
the
rf
emissions
have
an
impact
on
them?
M
M
So
we
did
that
in
this
case,
once
we
do
that,
it's
very
clear
in
and
and
and
mr
pollock
mentioned
it
and
dr
kramer
mentioned
it,
and
it
is.
I
can
give
you
a
citation
if
you
want,
but
the
fact
is
when
you
look
at
that
subsection,
it's
very
clear
that
if
it's
about
our
missions,
a
denial
of
that
of
that
based
on
that
reason
is
improper
right.
M
Dr
kramer's
office
recently
provided
some
comments
and
I've
looked
at
this
case
and
there
is
when
you
look
at
the
fcc
and
you
look
at
the
rf
emissions
under
the
code
as
used
in
the
statute.
Environmental
effects
include
health
concerns
about
the
biological
effects
of
rf
radiation.
M
That's
t-mobile,
n-e-l-l-c
versus
town
of
ramapo,
and
that's
a
federal
s-701
excuse
me:
f-sep
701
f-step
second
446
on
page
460..
So
we
do
this
analysis
because
it
is
important.
We
know
it's
important
for
individuals.
We
do
our
best
to
ensure
that
these
applications
meet
these
requirements.
But
again
when
it
comes
to
the
rf
mission
aspect,
I
I
sound
like
a
broken
record,
I'm
sure
to
you
chair,
but
it
is
something
in
which
it
gets
out
of
our
hands
when
it
comes
to
that.
M
A
Is
anything
further
with
that
we'll
go
to
commissioner
questions.
A
A
I
I
have
one
question
for
dr
kramer
and
then
one
for
staff,
mr
chua,
dr
cramer,
my
original
question
was:
was
this
facility
for
mostly
for
amgen
or
was
it
for
the
new
great
park
community?
And
you
said
that
it
was
about
a
thousand
feet
that
rf
emissions
would
go
out
about
a
thousand
feet.
So
generally
it
was
for
amgen,
and
then
we
were
informed
that
the
nearest
house
is
just
under
a
thousand
feet.
Can
I
get
from
that
that
the
houses
are
generally
not
going
to
get
any
of
those
emissions.
G
But
that's
not
the
proposed
primary
reason
for
this
site
and
that's
not
a
that's,
not
uncommon.
To
use
a
double
negative
sites
are
put
in
where
there
is
a
need
for
additional
capacity
or
where
there
is
weak
coverage.
Well,
I
don't
think
there's
weak
coverage
here,
but
the
need
for
additional
capacity
is
really
what
att
is
going
for
at
this
site.
I
Thank
you,
and
then
mr
chua,
ms,
our
app
our
appellant,
had
said
that
there
were
other
complaints
other
than
hers,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
any
that
were
that
came
to
your
office.
F
F
F
Not
necessarily
concerned,
some
of
them
are
interested,
there's
one
of
them
that
probably
yeah
that
expressed
negative,
but
not
all
of
them
are
against
the
project.
F
Of
them
were
phone
calls.
Some
of
them
sent
me
an
email
indicating
that
they
want
to
be
part
of
the
notification
which
I
forwarded
to
the
planning
secretary,
and
I
believe
they
were
part
of
the
notification
for
this
hearing.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
mcmahon
commissioners,
any
other
questions.
E
Thank
you,
dr
cramer.
I
just
had
one
question
about
the
actual
facility
itself.
It's
on
top
of
a
building
at
amgen.
I
assume
that
building
is
occupied
and
I
was
curious
if
your
study
involves
the
radio
wave
effects
on
people
inside
the
building.
If
that's
it,.
G
E
E
My
question
is
so
we
established
early
on
that
singular
wireless
is
the
actual
applicant
and
the
city's
covered
correct.
M
M
Okay,
this
new
single
wireless,
pcs,
llc,
and
that
is
somewhere
that's
on
the
permit.
E
Okay,
my
question
would
be
you
said
that
the
appellant
was
aware
of
this
prior
to
them
filing
their
appeal.
Their
attorney
just
told
us
that
they
may
not,
or
that
they
were
unaware
of
that
is
any
of
that
fall
into
our
purview
as
far
as
something
we
should
be.
Considering
do
we
have
any
impact
on
that?
I.
M
I
would
say
I
would
say
the
answer
is
not
really.
M
I
think
I
wanted
to
make
the
record
clear
because
we
did
discuss
it
during
the
administrative
hearing
and
I
had
a
conversation
after
the
hearing
to
ensure
that
he
was
aware
of
this
specific
issue
that
I
just
wanted
to
be
have
clarity
for
him
that
we
did
put
the
name
down
and
it
was
new
wireless
new,
similar
wireless,
pcs,
llc,
and
so
that's
that's
why
I
just
wanted
to
clear
the
record
tonight,
just
because
I
heard
that-
and
I
heard
the
other
comments
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
clean
record
from
our
position
again.
M
It's
really
it's
nothing
for
you
in
the
sense
that
there's
no
decision
for
you
tonight
that
would
be
on
that
particular
request.
I
don't
think.
M
I
would
say:
no,
it's
not
in
your
preview
this
time.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
Right,
I
I
had
a
quick
one
going
back
to
this
process,
so
I
mean
this
is
for
dr
kramer
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
de
novo
review.
I
think,
as
mr
pollock
indicated
in
his
his
letter,
so
I'm
looking
at
all
the
different
elements,
including
the
last
one,
which
is
the
ada
issue
the
mr
he
here
kind
of
addressed,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
mr
kramer
on
this
environmental
issue.
Are
you
aware
of
any
statute
legislative
authority,
anything
that
actually
indicates
there's
a
distinction
between
environmental
or
health
effects.
G
A
And
along
that
line,
is
there
anything
that
you're
aware
of
as
part
of
the
telecommunication
act?
That
would
allow
us,
as
a
planning,
commission
or
even
the
city
council,
to
make
an
exemption
from
rf
or
these
types
of
applications
because
of
an
ada
issue.
J
I
A
A
J
I
was
not
present
with
miss
jacobs
at
the
zoning
administrator
hearing
on
this
matter.
J
I
was
not
provided
with
the
information
by
mr
chua
or
anyone
else,
electronically,
telephonically
or
in
any
other
manner
other
than
being
told
this
evening
that
you
had
changed
the
name
on
the
application.
J
Otherwise
I
would
have
addressed
it
directly.
In
my
brief,
so
I
feel
like
I've
been
sandbagged
by
you,
people
and,
quite
frankly,
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
offensive.
I'm
a
professional
you're
professionals.
J
J
Brings
into
question
what
authority
you
do
have
in
my
mind:
are
you
simply
a
yes
and
no
stamp
here
on
the
application,
or
do
you
have
authority
to
control
your
own
due
process?
J
J
Additionally,
I
would
point
out
that
the
authorization
which
has
been
filed
by
yukon
group
is
the
last
piece
of
paper
attached
to
my
appellate
brief,
and
if
you
look
at
it,
it
says
to
whom
it
may
concern.
This
letter
will
serve
to
notify
and
verify
to
the
recipient.
The
uconn
group
located
at
65
posts
and
the
address,
including
its
employees
and
agents,
is
authorized
to
negotiate
lease
license
and
amendment
terms
on
behalf
of
a
t,
not
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs
llc,
which
is
the
applicant
here.
J
The
authorization
for
uconn
group
or
any
engineer
acting
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
should
be
a
valid
authorization,
identifying
the
company,
giving
the
authorization
and
listing
the
entity
that
is
granting
the
authorization.
On
that
basis.
I
would
submit
it
and
thank
you
again
for
considering
our
position.
A
K
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
mr
bass
and
mr
lanson
brilliant
questions
and
we
can
go
down
rabbit
holes,
but
my
basic
question
to
you
is
as
a
resident
of
your
city.
I
am
sick,
I
am
getting
sicker.
I
did
the
only
recourse.
I
knew
to
give
an
ada
request
to
the
city
attorney.
We
end
up
of
all
places
in
thousand
oaks,
with
the
cell
tower
outside
my
house
that
dr
kramer
has
initiated
and
has
said
that
is
going
to
radiate
my
house.
I
am
going
to
get
sicker.
What
does
that
leave
for
me?
K
Do
I
now
have
to
sue
the
city.
The
city
is
already
being
sued
by
an
microwave
sick
person,
greg
tychian
and
the
wretch
of
mandemus
is
out.
Dr
kramer.
That
case
is
not
kicked
out.
In
fact,
the
judge
in
sydney
valley
said,
go
home
and
see
how
many
times
the
city
council
people
have
said
their
hands
are
tied
because
their
hands
are
not
tied.
You.
K
A
Thank
you
miss
jacob
with,
as
I
hit
the
wrong
button
with
that,
we
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
oh,
I'm
sorry,
commissioners,
any
other
questions.
M
A
A
Oh
for
the
rebuttal
for
the
application,
ms
keith,
did
you
have
any
rebuttal
that
you
would
like
to
provide.
L
Nothing
and
too
much
depth
I
mean
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
letter
of
authorization
is
is
really
meant
for
the
purpose
of
collecting
or
submitting
documents
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
which
in
this
case
is,
is
att.
New
single
wireless,
pcs
llc,
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
we
all
so
noted
within
the
conditions
of
approval,
that
the
the
applicant
and
representative
names
were
amended
to
show
the
the
legal
names.
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
I
did
receive
that.
A
Thank
you,
ms
keith
again,
one
last
call
for
commission.
Oh
mr
chua
has
a
comment.
F
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
make
a
clarification
with
what
attorney
pollock
has
brought
up.
F
As
far
as
I
remember,
as
far
as
I
understand
what
he
said,
he
said
that
the
he
was
not
told
that
the
name
on
the
application
was
changed.
The
name
on
the
application
was
in
fact,
not
changed.
F
O
Excuse
me,
chair
lansing,
I'd
like
to
chime
in
here
for
a
quick
moment.
I
was
at
the
administrative
hearing
and
it
was
conducted
virtually
through
zoom.
There
was
a
number
of
speakers,
including
mr
pollock,
who
did
attend
the
meeting.
He
represented
miss
jacob
and
opposed
the
project
at
that
hearing.
O
In
fact,
in
their
grounds
for
appeal,
they
have
a
statement
there
stating
that
yukon
group
contended
at
the
hearing
that
the
actual
applicant
was
new,
singular
wireless,
pcs
llc
with
att
mobility
corporation
as
its
manager,
so
that's
actually
in
their
form,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
As
regard
regarding
the
the
appeal
fees,
those
appeal
fields
are
designed
to
cover
these
hearings
and
an
appropriate
time
to
request
any
sort
of
refund
would
have
been
prior
to
the
hearing
and
city.
The
planning
commission
does
not
have
the
ability
to
issue
a
refund.
A
Thank
you
anything
further
from
staff.
A
I
E
I've
got
one
question
for
from
ms
keith
commissioner
bus.
The
letter
that,
from
uconn
from
the
project
manager,
you're
saying,
is
not
a
power
of
attorney.
It
is
more
a
letter
of
introduction.
What
is
what,
because,
obviously,
this
letter's
attention,
mr
pollock.
A
I
I
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
mcmahon
other
comments,
discussion
from
commissioners
or
a
motion.
A
If
not,
I
can
make
a
quick
comment
myself
I'll
call
myself
with
regard
to
the
name
issue,
I
I
appreciate
that
concern.
A
In
fact,
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
always
look
at
at
every
single
application
is
exactly
who
is
the
applicant
or
the
authorized
zoo
business
and-
and
I
can
tell
you
half
the
time
the
name
is
a
holding
name
and
ultimately,
whatever
name
of
the
developer
or
whatever
name
the
applicant
sometimes
does
change,
and
that
is
a
very
common
thing
that
I
did
not
understand
until
I
got
into
this
process
and
seeing
what
ends
up
happening.
A
I
also
understand
this
that
wireless
telecommunication
companies
have
lots
of
subsidiaries
and
that,
ultimately,
it's
the
the
entity
that's
going
to
sign
on
the
dotted
line
is
the
one
that's
going
to
actually
be
an
authorized
entity
which
is
exactly
what's
happened
here.
It's
not
necessarily
something
that
makes
sense
to
a
lot
of
people,
but
that
actually
is
a
very
common
issue.
A
And
again,
I
want
to
actually
thank
ms
jacob
and
mr
pollock
for
pointing
that
out
to
make
sure
the
staff
then
found
it
and
make
sure
that
we
actually
have
that
correct
entity
listed
as
part
of
this
process
and
that's
kind
of
what
this
whole
due
diligence
process
is
of
making
sure
that
we
have
things
accurate
in
terms
of
how
the
applications
are
supposed
to
go
forward.
So
I
don't.
I
don't,
have
a
problem
with
the
name
issue.
A
I
know
it
was
frustrating,
but
I
don't
personally
have
a
problem
with
the
name
issue
as
to
the
fee
refund,
I
mean
I
if
there
was
a
withdrawal,
like
commissioner
mcmahon
said,
I'd
feel
better,
but
in
fact
I
spent
probably
a
good
part
of
my
weekend
researching
the
additional
items
that
were
indicated
in
mr
pollock's
letter
that
were
a
de
novo
review.
A
They
were
above
and
beyond
those
comments
in
the
appeal
if
there
was
an
indication
that
that
was
being
withdrawn
at
that
time,
fine,
but
it
was
part
of
the
work
that
I
actually
had
to
do
and
again
I'm
not
looking
for
compensation.
I'm
just
basically
saying
is.
I
actually
gave
it
a
very
involved
process.
I
spent
hours
trying
to
find
distinctions
between
environmental
and
health
effects
and
stuff,
like
that,
so
I
I
gave
miss
jacob
every
attempt
to
try
to
find
stuff.
A
I
am
very
sensitive
to
this
and
believe
me,
I
I
wish
there
was
something
we
could
do
to
find
a
way
to
as
a
planning
commission
challenge
the
fcc
and
and
other
federal
government
agencies
with
regard
to
this
issue,
but
anyway,
so
that's
my
take
with
regard
to
the
the
refund
issue.
Commissioners,
any
other
comments
or
emotion.
E
All
right,
I
put
my
glasses
on
so
before
I
comment.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
recommend
that
we
adopt
the
resolution
denying
the
appeal,
thereby
upholding
the
administrative
approval
of
development.
Permit
minor
modification
dpmn.
E
2020-70184
and
because
I'll
have
to
read
that
my
comment
is,
I
don't
see
anything
that's
been
presented
at
this
point
that
is
actionable
for
us
as
the
planning
commission
to
change
this
decision,
and
I
think
that
we've
all
expressed
that
we
wish
that
we
had
greater
latitude,
but
the
way
the
federal
laws
are
written,
we're
we're
stuck
where
we
are
the
reality
is,
is
that
most
of
that
involves
the
appearance
of
it
and
seeing
there
is
going
to
be
no
change
in
appearance
for
this
facility.
A
What
what's
being
asked
here
is
to
essentially
challenge
federal
law,
which
I
don't
think
I
have
as
a
planning
commissioner,
the
ability
to
do
that's
a
fight
that
has
to
take
place
in
a
different
arena.
So
with
that,
I
will
support
that
motion.
A
Yes,
as
this
is
a
decision
determination,
I
have
to
give
the
notice
with
regard
to
appeal,
any
aggrieved
party
who
wishes
to
appeal.
The
planning
commission's
decision
may
do
so
by
filing
an
appeal
with
the
community
development
department
within
10
days.
A
Next
item
is
item
7b
recording
secretary.
Please,
please
open
the
public
hearing.
A
Oh,
should
we
first
invite,
mr
commissioner
newman
back
in
go
ahead
and
open
7b
when
you
get
the
chance.
C
S-U-M-N-2020-70422
to
allow
expansion
of
an
existing
helipad,
including
removal
of
three
parking
spaces
on
the
rooftop
of
the
parking
structure
at
los
robles
hospital.
The
subject
property
is
located
at
215,
west
jans
road
and
is
zoned
pl
public,
quasi
public
and
institutional
lands
and
facilities.
The
applicant
is
las
robles
hospital
and
medical
center.
P
Thank
you
good
evening,
chair
lansin
and
members
of
the
planning
commission.
Tonight
we
have
a
request
from
los
robles
hospital
to
expand
their
existing
helipad
on
top
of
the
parking
structure
there
at
the
hospital,
and
the
reason
is
to
accommodate
their
new
emergency
helicopters
so
that
they
could
land
there.
P
P
P
P
Here's
a
plan
showing
the
orange
area
which
is
clouded
here.
This
is
where
the
existing
helipad
takes
up
the
area
and
it's
about
50
by
50.
it'll
be
extended
to
65
by
868
feet.
P
So
it's
about
an
increase
of
1900
square
feet
and
I'll
come
around
here
and
they're
going
to
add
the
netting
that
goes
around
the
new
emergency
access.
Stairway
will
be
right
here
on
the
west
side
and
in
order
to
put
that
there
they're
going
to
have
to
remove
three
parking
spaces,
the
hospital
also
be
upgrading
the
lighting
to
led
lights
and
adding
some
additional
illuminators,
for,
I
guess,
nighttime
flying.
P
They
will
be
augmenting
their
existing
fleet
of
bell
huey
uh-1
helicopters,
which
are
like
vietnam
era
and
they've
been
flying
them
for
decades
and
from
what
they've
advised
us,
it's
you
know
getting
harder
to
find
parts
and
they're
becoming
expensive
to
maintain,
so
these
fire
hawks
will
be
an
asset
to
their
fleet
and
and
they're
known
for
their
superior
firefighting
capabilities.
P
P
The
county
will
still
rely
on
the
smaller
helicopters
for
medical
transport.
So
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
fire
hawks
are
are
only
going
to
be
landing
here
for
emergencies
if
they
need
it,
but
most
of
the
the
transport
and
landing
at
the
hospital
will
be
the
same
from
from
the
same
helicopters.
P
It
was
conducted
on
may
28th
of
this
year
and
the
project
was
approved
by
the
administrative
hearing
officer
and
there
were
no
appeals
to
that
decision.
P
They
stated
that
the
teleport
permit
application
has
to
include
some
kind
of
documentation
resolution
that
states
the
city
council
approved
the
project.
P
And
typically,
minor
mods
are
processed
at
the
staff
level,
so
this
is
sort
of
a
different
kind
of
unique
process,
because
in
this
case
the
caltrans
is
sort
of
directing
them
to
to
go
to
the
city
council.
P
Typically,
land
use
entitlements
require
planning
commission
approval
first
before
they
go
on
to
the
city
council.
So
your
role
tonight
is
to
make
a
recommendation
on
this
request
to
the
city
council.
P
One
of
the
concerns
is
with
the
helicopters,
was
noise
and
what
kind
of
impacts
from
you
know
bringing
in
a
new
helicopter,
and
so
the
applicant
hired
marinating
consultants
to
analyze?
What
kind
of
impacts
would
there
be
compared
to
the
ambient
noise
and
the
surrounding
sensitive
land
uses?
P
And
it
was
found
that
the
increase
in
noise
would
be
negligible
and
that
the
noise
levels
from
the
project
would
be
below
the
noise
thresholds
considered
to
be
significant
by
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
P
This
project
qualified
as
a
class
one
categorical
exemption
and
class
one
consists
of
minor
alterations
involving
you
know,
minimal
expansion
of
use,
and
in
this
case
the
enlargement
of
the
helipad
will
not
affect
operations
or
impact.
The
parking
layout.
P
The
air
traffic
to
the
to
the
hospital
will
remain
the
same
same
airplanes.
You
know
that
usually
come
in
and
transport
people.
The
only
difference
here
is
that
the
county
has
purchased
these
newer
airplanes,
mainly
for
firefighting
purposes,
but
in
case
they
need
to.
They
would
be
able
to
transport
trauma
victims
and
get
the
immediate
care
noise
study
was
done
and
the
helicopter
noise
to
surrounding
residential
land
uses
was
found
not
to
be
significant.
P
As
I
mentioned,
a
primary
focus
for
the
air
for
the
helicopter
is
for
fighting
fires
and
that
the
public
benefit
to
the
community
outweighs
any
kind
of
you
know,
minimal
impacts
that
will
come
from
these
helicopters
landing.
A
Thank
you,
miss
young
commissioners,
questions
for
staff
bronson,
commissioner
newman.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
miss
young
for
your
report.
In
the
run-up
to
this
hearing,
the
staff
report
mentioned
a
letter
to
the
city
council.
H
P
Yes,
that's
true:
the
hospital
will
be
paying
for
expanding
the
helipad.
H
Very
good,
thank
you
and
then
regarding
the
noise
study
that
was
done.
If
I
read
it
correctly,
I
believe
it
was
done
using
software
modeling
built
building
a
model
of
the
noise
environment
around
the
hospital
and
comparing
the
the
impacts
of
the
current
helicopters
versus
the
fire
hawks.
It
did
not
well.
My
question
is:
did
it
involve
any
actual
helicopter
flights
of
either
the
hueys
or
the
fire
hawks.
A
I
In
the
report
it
says
the
latest
project
at
the
hospital
is
currently
under
construction
and
consists
of
new
exit
discharge,
corridor
renovation
and
expansion
of
the
emergency
department,
expansion
and
renovation
of
the
surgery,
department
and
relocation
and
renovation
of
imaging
services,
and
the
parking
analysis
evaluated.
These
changes
with
these
expansions
are
there:
is
there
more
parking
added
somewhere
else
to
make
up
for
these
expansions
and
also
losing
the
three
parking
spaces
in
the
structure.
I
Oh,
do
you
happen
to
know
where
those
spaces
are
going
to
be
they're.
P
They're
located
throughout
and
because
you
know
it's
a
tight
site,
they
were
added
where
there
was
room
to
add
those.
But
yes,
there's
enough
parking
for
that,
and
the
applicant
knew
that
they
would
be
coming
in
with
this
project.
So
that's
why
they
incorporated
those
changes
and
the
parking
count
at
that
time
to
make
sure
that
they
had
enough
parking.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
mcmahon
any
other
commissioner
questions.
E
I
had
I
had
just
a
a
question
from
regarding
the
report.
I
noticed
the
statistics
regarding
the
fire
arch
fire
capacity
for
firefighting
is
the
hospital
a
water
pickup
site
in
the
event
that
we
have
fires
locally.
E
A
A
I
just
had
the
the
the
brief
one
aside
from
the
letter
from
miss
martin,
which
is
in
the
supplemental
packet
and
she's
on
the
list
of
speakers.
I
hope
she's
there
did.
You
receive
any
other
written
objections.
P
A
And
in
our
packet
also
were
letters
from
sheriff,
ayub
and
others
in
support.
Did
you
have
any
other
letters
and
support
aside
from
what's
in
the
packet.
A
N
Thank
you
all
this
is.
Can
you
hear
me
we
can
perfect.
This
is
austin
manning,
I'm
the
chief
operating
officer
here
at
los
robles
health
system,
and
I
want
to
thank
each
of
you
for
taking
the
time
this
evening
to
hear
us-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
city
council
for
approving
this
project,
as
I
think
lori
has
done
a
good
job
of
outlining
the
project
we're
here
to
address
the
technicality
with
caltrans.
N
So
again
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
N
I
think,
rather
than
repeat
what
lori
has
said,
I'd
point
out,
just
the
fact
that
I
think
for
us
as
a
as
a
level
two
trauma
center
on
the
east
in
the
county,
when
the
ventura
county
air
unit
approached
us
about
adding
the
capacity
they
had
concerns
the
the
fact
that
no
one
else
in
the
county
at
this
point
can
accommodate
these
helicopters
and
so
for
us
as
the
health
system
on
the
east
end
of
the
county.
N
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
partner
with
our
first
responders
and
certainly
given
the
challenges
that
we
as
a
state
are
currently
facing
with
fires.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
in
a
more
position
to
take
care
of
either
those
first
responders
that
need
to
be
taken
care
of,
or
those
individuals
who
may
encounter
trauma.
I
think
lori
also
to
to
reiterate
what
she
has
said.
N
We
are
not
to
address
the
question
from
on
commissioners:
a
water
pickup
site.
I
think
the
the
point
there
is
simply
that
these
helicopters
will
be
used
primarily
to
fight
fires,
and
so
with
that
I'll
turn
the
presentation
over
to
brian
briscoe,
to
give
just
a
quick
update
on
details,
one.
A
A
Q
This
is
a
image
of
the
nearby
site
for
las
robles
regional
medical
center
and
the
location
of
the
existing
helipad
plan
for
upgrade
is
your
aware.
Loss
roblox
health
system
is
ventura,
county's
only
trauma
center
level,
2
and
current
environments.
As
you
know,
severity
of
wildfire
activity
is
recently
increasing
in
thousand
oaks
area,
and
medical
center
is
undertaking
these
costs
to
enlarge
the
health
pad,
to
support
the
county
emergency
abilities
to
respond
and
be
a
part
of
key
community
preparedness
and
being
a
part
of
a
community
service.
Here.
Q
So,
real
briefly
on
the
left
image,
you
can
see
the
existing
helipad
on
top
of
the
parking
structure
and
on
the
right,
the
conceptual
plan,
which
makes
it
slightly
larger
and
relatively
in
the
same
location.
Currently,
it's
a
50
foot
by
50,
foot,
heliport
and
the
dimensions
will
change
to
65
foot
to
65
foot
and
that's
in
order
to
support
two
county
fire
helicopters
in
the
event
of
emergency
care,
support.
Q
B
My
name
is
chris
currican,
director
of
air
quality
and
acoustics,
with
meridian
consultants
we're
based
out
of
westlake
village.
Yes,
so
we
recently,
we
prepared
a
noise
study
that
assessed
the
the
information
that
the
project
needed
to
essentially
establish
and
maintain
the
noise
standards
within
acceptable
limits.
So,
to
answer
the
previous
question:
yes,
the
the
model
did
analyze
the
current
two
helicopters
that
are
currently
operating
at
the
site,
which
is
the
helicopter
and
the,
and
additionally,
the
the
model
was
also
assessed.
The
the
proposed
a
helicopter.
B
In
the
event,
the
other
fire
harbor
blackhawk,
was
directed
to
the
site.
Those
noise
levels
were
also
assessed.
Additionally,
yes,
we
did
measure
noise
levels
of
the
current
operation
with
and
without
helicopters,
and
so
we
were
kind
of
able
to
to
reciprocate
those
results.
B
Based
on
the
findings,
we
were
able
to
find
that
noise
level
increases
in
the
event
the
you
know
that
proposed
that
firehawk
and
blackhawk
helicopters
were
arrived
to
the
site
that
those
noise
levels
would
remain
in
acceptable
limits.
N
We've
included
as
part
of
the
packet
several
letters
from
local
agencies,
public
health,
the
sheriff's
office
and
our
protection
district,
and
also
have
additional
letters
both
from
public
and
community
parties
that
we'd
be
happy
to
share
with
the
city.
If
that's
of
interest
to
you,
but
aside
from
that
I'll,
just
stop
there
and
thank
the
planning
commission
for
your
time
this
evening
and
we'll
wait
to
take
further
questions.
Thank
you.
A
A
N
E
The
applicant
in
the
city
summary:
it
was
65
by
68,
you
just
presented
and
said
it's
65
by
65.,
which
is
it
which
so
what
size
does
it
sell
about?
Q
It
is
what's
in
the
application
package,
65.
A
So
I'll
just
ask
the
general
one,
which
obviously
is
I'm
looking
at
miss
martin's
letter,
but
you
you
can't
obviously
definitively
tell
us
how
many
trips
per
week
month,
whatever
the
the
blackhawks
going
to
take,
do
you
have
any?
Is
there
any
regularly
scheduled
times
that
the
blackhawk
will
be
landing
at
the
hospital
on
a
regular
basis.
N
B
Hi
chris
here
so
yes,
based
on
the
noise
study
results,
there
are
increases
between
between
the
current
uses
of
the
bell
helicopter
and
the
uh-1
and
in
the
event
that
the
sikorsky
firehog
would
would
it
would
arrive
to
the
site.
Our
analysis
provided
both
the
the
cnel
values,
which
is
the
the
24
average
and
that
one
minute
exposure
and
so
based
on
land
use
purposes
for
compatibility
with
you
know,
cities
and
other
jurisdictions.
We
tend
to
look
at
cnel
and
ldn
for
informational
purposes.
B
We
also
provided
the
one-minute
averages
just
to
kind
of
show
what
those
noise
levels
would
be
at
the
time
that
the
helicopter
would
arrive.
So
to
answer
the
question.
In
short,
yes,
there
are
increases
in
noise
levels
from
the
firehawk,
but
those
increases
from
the
noise
levels
would
still
remain
in
those
acceptable
limits.
N
A
All
right,
so
we
will
go
then
to
I
think
our
public
speakers.
I
believe
we
have
two
listed
now
we
go
to
public
comments.
We
have
two
which
are
participating
by
either
video
conference
or
phone.
Each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
Please
state
your
name
city
of
residence.
I
think
first,
is
karen.
Martin,
are
you
there.
Q
Good
evening,
thank
you
yes
and
lori
they're
helicopters,
they're,
not
airplanes
dear
and
as
far
as
the
person
in
dallas.
It's
not
the
only
level
two
trauma
center
in
ventura
county.
There
is
also
one
in
ventura,
so
there
are
two
actually.
This
is
just
the
one
in
east
county.
I
live
in
the
western
flight
path
to
las
robles
and
in
2014
I
started
calling
the
hospital
the
sheriff
the
faa
just
about
anyone
who
would
listen
about
low-flying
helicopters
over
my
home
into
las
robles
hospital.
Q
I
have
a
250-foot
sequoia
and
they
flew
beside
it.
That
was
six
years
ago
or
six
years
after
the
expansion
now
they're
a
trauma
and
stroke
center.
Nobody
seems
to
remember
that
and
want
to
enlarge
their
helipad.
The
noise
element
in
2000
promises
another
look
at
the
helicopter
traffic
when
it
becomes
an
issue.
The
time
is
now
I'm
here
to
oppose
the
expansion,
because
I've
been
told
by
officials
that
both
trauma
centers
have
been
landing.
Q
Q
Q
A
c
weighted
study
is
a
requirement
of
that
statement
and
none
was
provided.
The
planning
commission
states.
The
project
will
not
substantially
increase
air
traffic.
Another
statement,
without
fact,
when
asked
how
many
flights
the
hospital
receives
it
took
several
weeks
for
them
to
come
up
with
an
answer.
It's
five
per
month.
Q
Q
Do
they
also
make
that
promise
to
use
small
helicopters?
It
was
determined.
The
larger
helicopter
would
not
increase
the
noise
level
from
baseline
to
require
mitigation.
If
you
add
the
events
of
helicopter
landings
and
takeoffs
remember,
each
visit
is
two
sound
events
this
in
this
case
it's
18
per
month.
I
believe,
if
you
look
at
it,
mitigation
is
required.
Q
There
is
no
mention
of
receiver
height
at
the
chinese
christian
church
relative
to
the
test
flight.
This
is
important
as
the
main
noise
producer
is
downwash
from
blades,
and
I
believe
the
church
is
above
the
helipad
another
erroneous
measurement.
We
are
assured
our
property
values
will
not
be
affected.
Q
I
know
we
paid
less
in
the
90s
for
our
home
because
of
the
lin
road
noise
and
traffic.
Remember
that's
when
lynn
road
commissioned
they
had
and
they
they
complained,
and
they
said
that
the
lynn
road
noise
had
turned
from
a
river
to
a
waterfall.
What
is
it
now?
It
is
so
loud
here
and
chris
told
me
at
the
administrative
hearing
that
that
the
sounds
had
gotten
lower
here.
You
know
the
question
about
what
is
there
a
difference
between
a
black
hawk
and
a
bell
for
a
407?
Q
Q
That's
how
the
hospital
is
supposedly
surrounded
by
commercial
real
estate.
Just
look
around
there's
a
lot
of
houses.
I
stumbled
onto
this
project
because
I've
been
trying
to
get
increased
patrol
in
this
area.
We
have
41
patrol
officers
down
from
66
in
the
90s
when
we
had
two
homeless
citizens
and
lynn
road
was
like
a
waterfall.
Q
We
deserve
a
real
sound
study.
We
deserve
mitigation.
I
cannot
believe
that
this
sound
study
and
this
piece
of
oh
we're
just
doing
it
for
the
good
of
the
world.
I
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
veterinarian.
I'm
involved
in
emergency
care,
I'm
involved
in
the
ventura
county
emergency
response
team.
I
understand
whenever
a
helicopter
goes
over
my
house,
it's
an
emergency.
Q
P
P
P
For
the
most
part,
you
know
mercy
the
county.
It's
still
going
to
go
on,
as
it
always
has
as
far
as
miss
martin
being
outside
the
500
feet
notice.
I
specifically
put
her
on
the
list
because
I
know
she's
interested
in
anything
that
has
to
do
with
the
count
I
mean
with
the
hospital.
P
And
you
know
we
received
the
the
noise
study
and
we
accepted
what
they
stated,
which
was
it
didn't
exceed
any
of
the
thousand
oaks
threshold
for
significant
noise.
A
Thank
you
I
I
was
so
pushed
to
get
to
staff.
I
I
forgot.
There
was
one
other
public
comment
listed
on
my
sheet
ryan.
A
And
there's
not
okay,
any
other
staff
comments.
A
Okay,
commissioner,.
A
O
Jump
in
the
noise
study
when
it
was
prepared,
evaluate
the
existing
noise
for
the
the
helicopter
trips
today
before
the
new
firehawks
are
using
the
site
that
was
to
provide
the
delta
between
the
noise
levels,
the
senile
levels
for
the
existing
conditions
versus
the
projected
new
conditions
when
the
firehawks
visit
the
site,
I
just
want
to
make
it
abundantly
clear
that
these
firearms
will
not
be
visiting
the
site.
O
The
operation
that's
occurring
now
the
the
belle
hues
that
are
visiting
or
devel
407s
that
are
landing
on
the
helipad.
Now
we'll
continue
to
do
so.
This
is
not
a
hearing
of
whether
or
not
that
will
stop
or
no
longer
occur.
It's.
What
is
the
difference
between
the
noise
levels
when
these
new
helicopters
of
firehawks
do
actually
land
on
the
site?
And
that's
what
was
evaluated
and
that's
why
it
was
considered
negligible.
O
They
looked
at
the
noise
levels,
the
infrequency,
the
sporadic
use
of
the
site
during
a
catastrophic
event,
a
search
and
rescue
mission
and
delivery
of
patients
trauma
victims
during
those.
Those
events
is
what
the
analysis
conducted
provided
results
on.
So
it's
only
during
those
those
differences,
not
in
actually
the
operation.
Today,.
I
I
will
just
say
one
thing:
I
am
concerned
about
the
parking.
I
didn't
get
a
whole
lot
of
clarification
about.
How
much
was
how
much
there
was
going
to
be
an
additional.
I
just
know
from
my
personal
experience
at
this
time.
There
is
not
enough
parking
if
you
want
to
visit
somebody
who
is
at
the
hospital.
I
I
Actually,
yes,
would
you
do
that?
Please
of.
A
P
Yes,
I'd
just
like
to
add
that
part
of
the
parking
spaces
are
taking
up
with
the
construction
workers
and
their
their
trailers
and
those
will
be
gone
after
you
know
they
finish
the
work,
so
that
section
in
the
north
east
corner
will
be
opened
up
and
in
the
back,
where
they're
expanding
the
surgery
area
I
mean
those
are
going
to
be.
You
know
we'll
have
a
little
bit
room
there
right
now.
It's
all
filled
with
construction.
I
When
did
this
construction
start?
Because
I
was
visiting
a
patient
there
a
little
over
a
year
ago,
and
I
had
a
lot
of
trouble
getting
parking.
P
P
So
I
don't
know
exactly
at
what
point
what
they
were
working
on
then,
but
the
the
sort
of
area
of
construction
has
been
there
for
a
while,
since
they've
been
doing
quite
a
bit
of
renovation,
there.
I
Okay,
perhaps
we
can
get
the
applicant
back
at
the
podium
to
reassure
me
that
there
will
be
more
parking
than
is
taken
away.
D
D
D
However,
we
did,
as
part
of
our
analysis,
a
a
parking
occupancy
study
to
basically
compare
what
the
city
code
requires
as
far
as
required
parking
for
a
hospital
versus
what
the
existing
conditions
are
and
how
much
occupied
the
actual
parking
is
on
site,
and
that
includes
the
what
we
called
zone-
five,
which
is
a
remote
lot,
and
so
as
part
of
our
as
part
of
our
analysis
and
as
part
of
the
hospital's
drive
to
open
up
more
parking
spaces
for
visitors.
D
They've
made
a
push
to
have
hospital
staff
park
in
the
remote
lot,
which
is
at
the
corner
of
lynn
and
jans.
I
believe
they've
they've
illuminated
the
path
from
the
hospital
to
the
remote
lot
to
allow
staff
to
walk
safely
at
night,
as
well
as
providing
a
shuttle
service
for
hospital
staff,
and
this
is
all
in
an
effort
to
have
staff
park
in
the
remote
lot
and
keep
spaces
in
the
parking
deck
available
for
visitors.
D
At
the
end
of
our
analysis,
we
determined
that
there
is
a
6.5
percent
cushion
or
buffer
in
parking.
Spaces
is
essentially,
there
are
at
least
59
parking
spaces
in
addition
to
what
would
be
required,
and
so
it
is
just
something
that
the
hospital
has
pushed
to
improve
over
the
last
six
months
to
a
year
to
provide
more
parking
spaces
for
visitors
by
having
the
staff
park
more
in
the
remote
lot.
D
A
H
N
H
Okay,
so
six
to
eight
months
and
during
that
period,
is
there
a
contingency
plan
during
demolition
and
construction
for
using
different
facilities,
or
will
the
current
helipad
still
be
available
or
how?
How
will
the
county
be
served
during
the
construction.
H
Okay,
so
you're
just
so
I
understand
you're
saying
most
roblox
would
still
be
in
use,
would
still
be
accepting
trauma
patients,
but
they
would
be
landing
somewhere
else
temporarily
and
then
brought
brought
to
the
medical
center.
Is
that.
N
I
With
this,
I
will
do
this
recognizing
that
we
do
need
the
best
tools
possible
for
firefighting
and
for
search
and
rescue.
I
will
move
that
we
adopt
the
resolution
approving
special
use,
permit
minor
modification
s-u-m-n-2020-70422.
I
Based
on
the
findings
and
subject
to
the
conditions
contained
in
the
resolution-
and
I
do
feel
it's
important
for
the
region,
but
we
can't
we
can't
ignore
the
day-to-day
operations
and
the
clientele
who
use
the
hospital
on
a
daily
basis.
So
I
will
make
that
motion.
F
M
A
A
I
I
had
one
brief
one
and,
as
mr
heger
pointed
out,
this
is
a
recommendation
process.
I
agree
with
what
commissioner
mcmahon
said
and
I
will
support
this.
I
am
concerned
with
a
lot
of
the
I
the
things
that
miss
martin
put
in
her
documentation.
A
I
don't
know
again
I
this
is
why
I
actually
I
pointed
out
mr
manning.
My
hope
is
that
you
did
see
supplemental
packet
and
you
did
see
her
information
and
that
those
issues
can
be
addressed
as
part
of
the
city
council
meeting,
at
which
point
this
issue
will
be
taken
up
and
all
of
those
issues
will
be
addressed.
A
H
I
I'd
strongly
concur
with
what
you
just
said.
I'm
I'm
very
sympathetic
to
the
comments
ms
martin
made.
I
certainly
would
not
be
happy
if
I
was
living
as
close
as
she
is
to
the
to
the
new
helipad,
and
I
think
she
raised
many
dollar
questions.
I
hope
will
continue
to
look
at
them.
I
hope
the
applicant
will
take
measures
to
mitigate
them,
but
I'm
also
cognizant
of
our
fires
are
getting
worse
and
worse
and
they're
producing
more
casualties,
and
we
also
need
to
deal
with
that
as
well.
A
I
concur
as
well,
madam
secretary,
go
ahead
and
prepare
us
for
a
vote.
A
R
The
project
before
you
tonight
is
a
request
to
allow
a
new
entertainment
venue,
the
mighty
acts
in
an
existing
commercial
building
located
at
215
north
moore
park
road
unit
number.
I
in
the
jans
marketplace
shopping
center.
The
venue
will
include
axe,
throwing
virtual
reality,
arcade
games
and
on-site
alcohol
sales.
R
R
R
The
proposed
entertainment
venue
will
have
six
independent
bays
for
axe,
throwing
activities
and
separate
areas
within
the
space
for
bar
patrons
and
virtual
reality
games
each
axe,
throwing
bay
is
230
square
feet
and
contains
two
targets.
Each
every
independent
bay
has
protective
fencing
for
customer
safety.
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
Staff
concludes
that
the
request
will
not
have
a
detrimental
impact
to
the
surrounding
commercial
area,
since
this
is
an
incidental
use
to
the
venue
and
the
nearest
residence
is
1
300
feet
away
from
a
way
north
of
west
wilbur
road.
The
proposed
use
should
not
generate
noise,
parking
or
traffic
impacts
greater
than
those
associated
with
the
existing
commercial
activity
and
the
proposed
axe.
Throwing
use
will
contribute
to
the
community
by
providing
a
unique
recreational
experience
to
the
area
and
will
complement
the
existing
retail
uses
in
the
shopping
center.
R
E
My
biggest
question
is
I
I
I
am.
I
just
want
to
know
what
the
rules
for
the
city
are,
but
we're
talking
about
sharp
bladed
objects
flying
around
and
alcohol,
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
we
have
anything
in
our
city
ordinances
covering
allowing
people
to
operate
dangerous
weapons.
Well,
while
consuming
beverages
for
entertainment,.
M
I
certainly
think
there
is
there's
nothing
in
our
code
regarding
weapons
of
that
sort
in
a
commercial
setting
in
which
you
are
actually
in
a
recreational
kind
of
setting.
We
certainly
have
obviously
penal
code
and
code
code
city
code
ordinances
regarding
weapons
of
any
kind
that
are
in
the
public
and,
as
you
will
note
in
the
conditions
and
as
was
discussed
earlier
by
staff,
you
cannot
bring
axes
or
any
other
type
of
axe,
throwing
your
weapon
throwing
device
to
this
facility.
It's
only
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
used
there.
M
E
I
think
yeah
that
covers
it
for
me,
as
far
as
as
far
as
that
issue.
D
A
Then
I
will
ask
a
few
if
you
could
go
back
in
your
presentation
to
the
depiction
of
what
the
situation
is
supposedly
going
to
look
like.
That
would
be
great
there
we
go.
That
was
it,
so
this
was
provided
by
the
applicant
correct
because
from
what
you
had
said,
it
sounded
as
if
the
bays,
whatever
you
want
to
call
them,
will
be
separated
from
alcohol
and
other
things
and
again
the
bottom
picture.
I
I'm
not
looking
specifically
if
they
have
drinks,
but
it
seems
like
that's
an
open
area
of
drinking
and
eating.
R
This
is
just
a
concept
photo,
but
they
did
provide
plans
to
indicate
that
there
would
be
a
a
higher
like
bar
top
table
that
the
group
that
is
throwing
the
axes
they
can
take
a
break
and
go
back
and
have
a
snack
or
drink
their
beer,
but
not
inside
the
base.
It's
not
permitted
inside
the
base.
Do
you.
A
R
A
A
Specifically
with
that,
we
will
then
any
other
commissioner
questions
with
that.
We
will
go
to
the
applicant
who
will
have
15
minutes
and
I
believe.
S
Hi
just
wanted
to
say,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
present
this
to
the
commission.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
It's
greatly
appreciated.
I'm
a
long
time
resident
of
the
canejo
valley.
I
currently
live
in
simi
valley,
I'm
a
father
of
two
teenage
girls
ones
attending
west
lake
high
school
this
year.
S
I'm
a
youth
sports
involved
in
a
lot
of
youth
sports,
including
I'm
a
head
soccer
coach
for
the
ayso,
united
rancho
canejo
soccer
club
and
I'm
an
entrepreneur.
So
I
I
have
several
businesses
that
I've
opened
in
the
last
several
years,
and
this
is
just
one
concept
that
we
wanted
to
open
in
thousand
oaks,
namely
for
the
reason
of
bringing
fun
alternative,
entertainment
options
to
thousand
oaks
that
make
it
family
friendly.
S
Where
you
know
kids
can
come,
do
virtual
reality,
kids
over
12
can
throw
axes,
and
you
know
families
and
friends
can
get
together
to.
I
know
it's
a
it's,
essentially
a
social
gathering
place
and
in
this
time
of
covid,
and
we
had
plans
to
open
this
much
earlier,
but
it's
definitely
got
delayed
because
of
the
current
covid
situation.
R
S
You
know
that's
something
that
we're
we're
monitoring
and
hoping
will
end
in
2021
at
some
point
where
we
can
open
this
and
be
the
type
of
social
gathering
entertainment
place
that
we
vision
this
envision
this
place
being
so,
let's
see,
I
wanted
to
address
a
couple,
a
couple
things
that
you
guys
talked
about.
You
know
the
two
primary
entertainment
functions
here
are
ax,
throwing
and
virtual
reality.
S
You
know
the
axe,
throwing
it's
it's
catching
on
in
popularity
throughout
the
nation.
The
first
store
the
first
indoor
axe,
throwing
venue
opened
in
2016.
Now
there
are
over
300
locations
in
the
united
states.
S
Since
2016
there's
been
a
couple,
a
couple
of
official
like
leagues,
that
have
formed
ones
called
the
world
axe,
throwing
league
it's
actually
headquartered
in
san,
diego
california,
and
then
there's
also
a
a
world
axe
throwing
league
these
organizations
put
together.
S
You
know
protocols
and
safety
and
they
sell
things
like
axes.
So
some
of
the
standard
axes
that
we
would
be
using
are
official
axes
from
the
world
axe.
Throwing
league
they're
just
standardized-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
real
sport.
Now,
there's
actually
international
axe,
throwing
competitions.
S
There's
actually
espn
has
picked
up
the
world
axe
throwing
championship,
so
you
can
go.
You
can
watch
axe,
throwing
on
espn
channels
on
occasion
it's
kind
of
a
rarity
these
days,
but
it
is
developing
into
a
real
sport.
S
Much
like
bowling
is-
and
you
know,
I
think
the
safety
record
of
this
type
of
activity
is-
is
really
good.
Too.
I've
spoken
to
a
couple
of
insurance
companies
as
a
work.
As
we've
been
developing.
This
idea
we've
reached
out
to
insurance
companies
to
talk
to
them
about
what
this
takes
and
one
of
the
companies
that
I
have
a
letter
from
they're.
They
insure
over
250
axe,
throwing
organizations
in
the
u.s
and
they've
nev.
S
They
they're
not
familiar
with
any
lawsuits
that
have
ever
occurred
from
any
accidents
that
have
happened
so
far
at
an
axe
throwing
destination.
So
you
know
I
I
kind
of
liken
this
to
bowling.
S
I
mean
bowling
is
pretty
kind
of
a
dangerous
sport
too,
when
you
think
about
hurling
a
16
pound
ball
down
a
lane
and
there's
there's
alcohol
involved
there
too,
but
in
speaking
with
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
officer
brady,
who
I
think
is
also
on
this
call
too
we've
come
up
with
some
measures
to
try
to
keep
this
relative.
You
know
relatively
safe
and
being
being
a
father
and
a
community
community
community
member
in
in
the
conejo
valley.
S
I
don't
want
this
to
evolve
into
something
that
is,
you
know,
based
on
really
just
alcohol
and
drinking
beer.
I
want
this
to
be
a
social
gathering
place
where
people
can
have
fun.
Corporations
can
have
corporate
events,
families
can
get
together
for
birthday,
parties
or
friends
can
get
together
for
birthday
parties,
and
that's
really
my
intent.
S
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
need
for
entertainment
activities
in
the
area
and
if
you
look
in
southern
california,
like
from
from
the
valley
down
to
san
diego
there's,
probably
about
30
of
these
acts,
throwing
places
just
in
los
angeles,
county
and
san
diego
county
and
orange
county
alone,
so
I'm
hoping
to
bring
the
first
one
to
the
thousand
oaks
area.
S
So
the
other
component
of
it
is
the
virtual
reality
component.
There's
been
a
few
virtual
reality
arcades
pop
up
here
and
there
I
think
there
was
one
at
the
thousand
oaks
mall,
our
virtual
reality
arcade.
It's
all
going
to
be
pretty
that
picture
kind
of
represented
what
we
were
doing,
but
we're
kind
of
focusing
on
virtual
reality,
escape
rooms
and
kind
of
arcade
games
that
a
group
of
people
can
get
together
and
go
into
the
same
virtual
reality
experience.
S
So
so
yeah
there's
a
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
answer
a
couple
of
your
questions
that
you
had.
I
already
addressed
the
axes
and
the
standard
axes.
There
would
be
a
standard
set
of
axes
we
would
employ
at
this
facility,
and
then
you
asked
about
the
role
of
security
and
the
experts
in
this
venue.
So
in
speaking
with
officer
brady,
he
had
a
recommendation
that,
at
least
for
the
first
couple
months,
we
hire
a
security
guard
to
monitor
the
flow
of
people.
S
I
mean,
like
I
said,
that
the
type
of
audience
we're
gonna
market
to
and
we're
gonna
try
to
attract
is
more
the
family
and
and
not
you
know,
the
younger
population
might
be
looking
for
a
place
to
go
party
at
let's
see,
and
then
the
role
of
the
experts
is
we're
going
to
train
our
employees
to
understand
all
of
the
safety
operations
of
appstoring
teach
people
how
to
throw
an
axe,
teach
people
what
the
rules
are
monitor.
S
What
people
are
wearing
make
sure
it's
just
a
safe
environment
and
look
out
for
mischief
and
guide
guide
the
groups
into
their
external
experience
and
just
monitor
that
they're
doing
things
correctly,
because
there's
certain
mech
there's
certain
rules
that
that
guests
need
to
follow,
including
you
know,
not
crossing
a
certain
line
until
both
axes
have
been
thrown,
and
then
you
can
retrieve
your
axes,
keeping
drinks
outside
of
the
axe,
throwing
area,
keeping
all
the
axes
within
the
axe,
throwing
area
and
simple
things
like
that
and
then
just
throwing
techniques
as
well.
S
So
that's
basically
all
I
had
to
say
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
more
of
your
questions.
If
you
have
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
address
with
me.
A
Thank
you,
mr
bradley.
You
referenced
a
officer,
that's
also
like
I
don't
have
that
person
on
my
sheet.
So
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
something
that's
part
of
your
presentation,
or
is
it
just
a
public
speaker.
A
A
H
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
a
little
bit
of
for
the
applicant
a
few
questions
about
the
business.
Is
this
part
of
a
franchise
operation.
S
It
is
not
hi,
it
is
not.
This
is
just
a
night.
I
I
have
a
couple
businesses,
one
of
them's,
an
escape
room
up
in
the
big
bear
area,
big
bear
lake,
and
I
kind
of
monitor
and
hear
activities
of.
What's
what
are
trends
and
what
what
people
are,
what
type
of
entertainment
activities
people
are
looking
into,
and
this
is
just
something
I'm
starting
on
my
own,
I'm
starting
my
own
brand
with
with
this
venue
and
who
knows
it
could
turn
into
more
than
one
eventually.
S
But
since
I
live
in
this
area-
and
I
feel
like
you
know
talking
to
all
my
friends
and
acquaintances,
they're
always
looking
for
new
things
to
do
in
the
area-
and
I
thought
we'd
try
this
here.
H
One
of
the
things
that
jumped
out
at
me
in
that
guide
was
a
recommendation
that
there
be
a
ratio
of,
I
think,
one,
what
you
call
an
expert
to
every
20
patrons
and
if
I'm
counting
right,
I
think
I
see
six
bays
or
I'm
not
sure
what
the
correct
term
is
for
the
alleys
where
the
axes
are
being
thrown
so
assuming
two
customers
in
each
of
six
bays.
That's
12
people
already
and
there
are
possibly
eight
others
somewhere
around
the
rest
of
the
establishment.
H
How
does
one
expert
look
after
all
those
patrons,
or
do
you
plan
to
hire
to
have
more
experts
per
a
lower
ratio
of
experts
for
customers
at
this
location?
Okay,.
S
Sure
so
it's
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
evenings.
I
think
you
know
friday
and
saturday
night's
going
to
be
pretty
busy
we're
following
some
of
the
guidelines
that
have
been
established
by
other
axe,
throwing
venues
and
typically
you
can
get
up
to
six
to
eight
people
for
one
target.
So,
while
a
couple
well,
two
people
are
throwing
axes
at
the
targets
in
one
bay,
so
one
bay
has
two
targets,
so
there's
12
targets
in
total.
S
You
can
have
up
to
six
people,
throwing
on
one
target.
It's
much
like
darts
kind
of
where
you
have.
You
know
a
series
of
people
who
can
throw
darts
at
a
target,
and
so
that's
how
most
of
the
other
establishments
are
set
up
and
that's
probably
the
kind
of
direction
we're
going
to
take
in
occupying
our
axe,
throwing
lanes,
and
so
we
would
assign
assign,
assign
experts
based
on
the
number
of
people
that
come
in.
S
Sometimes
people
might
rent
a
bay
and
it's
only
two
people
throwing
sometimes
they
might
come
in
with
a
party
of
day,
12
and
they're
occupying
one
whole
bay
with
the
two
targets.
So
that's
the
I
think
in
general.
The
ratio
we
were
looking
to
hire
experts
in
and
make
sure
we
have
enough
expert
experts
to
handle
the
flow
of
people,
but
they
may
be
working
with
like
two
groups.
At
the
same
time,
just
monitoring
the
flow
between
the
groups
answering
questions
if
they're
questions
seeing
if
they
need
help
learning
how
to
throw
their
axes.
H
So
if
it
is
a
busy
friday
or
saturday
night-
and
there
are-
I
think,
you
just
said-
six
or
eight
people
per
day,
even
if
they're
just
two
people
throwing
at
the
targets
at
a
time.
What
would
the
ratio
be
of
staff
to
to
patrons.
S
So
so
I
mean
like
we're:
gonna
have
different
staffs
in
different
locations,
so
we're
gonna
have
people
behind
the
bar
people,
you
know
introducing
like
hostesses
and
then
the
experts.
So
on
a
busy
night.
If
we've
got
six
people
or
say
10
people
in
each
bay,
we've
got
60
people
throwing
axes.
We
would
have
three
experts
that
are
working
that
night
that
are
exclusively
focused
on
helping
people
get
acquainted
with
the
sport
and
monitoring
how
they're
throwing
those
sports.
So
there
would
be.
H
Okay,
so
just
so
I'm
clear,
I
think
I
understand,
but
just
just
to
double
check.
I
think
you're
saying
that
at
peak
times
there
would
be
at
most
one
expert,
and
that's
that's
what
I'm
asking
about
you
know
above
and
beyond
the
the
bartending
staff
and
other
staff,
but
the
the
the
acts
expert
or
expert
as
you
you
call
them,
there
would
be
one
of
those
per
each
of
two
bays
is
that
is
that
about
right.
I
think.
A
I
S
Yes,
it's
all
reservation
based,
there's
a
lot
of
software
programs.
There's
there's
one
in
particular.
We
would
use
that
we
use
for
our
escape
room
business
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
plan
and
know
what
the
busy
periods
are
going
to
be
yeah.
So.
S
Yes,
and
from
my
experience
so
I
in
part
of
understanding
how
this
business
work
I've
gone
through
a
lot
to
a
lot
of
operations
to
see
how
they
work
friday.
Saturday
nights
are
pretty
much
the
entire
day,
it's
very
very
busy
and
their
days
are
completely
booked,
so
they're
they've
got
you
know
the
maximum
amount
amount
of
employees
during
those
times.
I
Okay,
and
then
you
mentioned
that
you
had
to
be
over
12
in
order
to
throw
an
axe,
12
seems
young.
Would
they
do?
You
require
an
adult
for
a
12
year
old.
S
Yeah,
so
in
my
experience
and
from
what
I've
learned,
there's
a
lot
of
axe,
throwing
facilities
that
are
the
ages
10
and
over
my
daughter,
I
have
a
daughter
who
just
turned
13
and
she's
on
the
the
the
smaller
side
and
she
can
throw
an
axe
and
she's
done
it.
You
know
when,
at
the
age
of
11
she
I
think
she
threw
her
first
acts
and
she's
had
a
lot
of
fun
with
it.
S
S
When
you
know
a
a
12
year
old
or
a
teenager
is
throwing
the
axe,
so,
under
the
ages
of
18,
parents
have
to
accompany
the
the
the
children.
If
they're
going
to
be
there,
throwing
axes.
S
No,
the
parents
would
if,
if
they're
under
18,
their
parents
have
to
be
in
the
area
of
the
axe,
throwing.
I
S
A
E
All
right
so
so
we've
established
that
parents
or
a
guardian,
needs
to
be
there
when
they're
throwing
axes.
What
about
the
vr
rooms?
Is
there?
Is
there
an
age
limit
for
that,
and
is
there
a
brunt
or
guardian
accompaniment
required
and.
S
So,
to
give
a
better
description
of
the
vr
area,
they're
more
like
areas,
there
are
no
walls
in
the
diagram.
It
showed
the
little
squares
for
the
vr
areas
and
those
are
going
to
be
kind
of
open
areas
where
everyone
can
kind
of
see
the
person
doing
vr.
It's
actually
kind
of
entertaining
to
watch.
Someone
do
vr,
and
then
you
can
see
what
they're
doing
on
the
screen
above
their
head.
S
You
know
some
people
might
not
want
to
do
it
because
they're
shy
and
they
see
that
open
area
but
they're,
open
areas
you'll
be
able
to
see
all
the
way
down
that
looking
at
all
the
people
playing
vr
and
they're
going
to
be
most
a
lot
of
times
in
the
same
environment,
doing
similar
activities
so
that
age
limit
we've
we've
we
have
at
eight
years
old
vr
takes
some,
you
know
getting
used
to
the
goggles
and
some
coordination,
and
but
there's
a
lot
of
games
a
lot
of
arcades
that
are
that
are
kind
of
targeted
towards
kids
of
eight
to
twelve
years
old.
S
S
So
you
know
just
another
option
for
and
there's
a
lot
of,
there's
a
lot
of
adult
kind
of
activities
in
the
vr,
meaning
like
more
shooting
type
games,
and
things
are
more
in
escape
rooms.
So
I'm
in
the
escape
room,
business
myself
and
there's
a
lot
of
virtual
escape
rooms
that
are
kind
of
targeted
more
towards
adults.
S
E
S
I
think
in
that
situation
you
know
parents
need
to
be
in
the
facility,
but
they
don't
have
to
stay
right
beside
them,
while
they're
doing
vr.
E
Oh
okay,
so
so
you
would
need
somebody
over
18
with
or
or
a
parent
or
guardian
yeah
children.
I.
E
S
So
in
in
my
vision,
I
think
the
the
age
of
the
average
guest
is
going
to
evolve
over
throughout
the
day.
You
know,
starting
you
know,
in
the
afternoons,
it's
probably
going
to
be
more
vr.
You
know
some
birthday
parties,
some
families
as
we
go
into
the
later
evenings.
I
think
it
evolves
more
into
an
adult
place
and
you
know,
of
course,
after
probably
eight
nine
ten
o'clock
at
night-
it's
probably
all
adults
in
the
facility.
S
So
you
know,
I
think
the
environment
changes.
But
yes,
we
do
serve
ales.
We
also
will
be
serving
sodas
and
snacks
and
allowing
people
to
bring
food
in
from
neighboring
restaurants
as
well,
so
so
those
yeah,
I
think
it's
an
environment
that
we're
trying
to
create
not
just
for
adults
and
not
make
it
like
a
bar
that
people
are
sitting
there.
You
know
drinking
and
watching
games
but
participating
in
activities.
A
D
Mr
bradley
answered
many
of
them.
I
think
the
last
question
I
didn't
hear
was
pricing.
Is
it?
Are
you
pricing
by
the
hour,
by
the
use
of
the
event,
how
does
pricing
work.
S
Sure
so
the
vr
stations
and
the
axe
throwing
are
all
by
the
hour
so
by
the
session,
we're
likely
going
to
be
an
hour
long
session
for
both
of
those
facilities.
Beer
will
not
be
priced
by
the
hour,
though,.
A
D
Regards
to
any
leagues,
will
you
host
any
axe,
throwing
leagues
at
your
facility.
S
Yeah,
that's
we.
We
definitely
that's
something
of
interest.
The
work,
the
world
axe.
Three
league
has
an
active
league.
So
if
you
get
a
group
of
people
that
become
enthusiasts
for
the
sport,
you
can
kind
of
fill
some
of
your
slower
times
with
leagues,
much
kind
of
like
the
bowling
alleys
do
so
bowling
alley
leagues.
You
know
they're
usually
happening
you
know
in
the
afternoons
or
early
evenings
on
saturday
and
sunday
or
even
during
the
week
so
yeah.
A
I
I
just
had
a
few
to
follow
up
on
mr
bradley.
Initially
is
the
view.
So,
if
you're
walking
in
the
mall,
will
you
be
able
to
see
anybody
throwing
axes
or
just
see
the
bar.
S
I
think
you
will
be
able
to
see
people
throwing
axes.
They
are
they're
like
the
cages,
so
most
of
these
axe
throwing
places
that
are
in
other
cities,
they've
been
brought
into
warehouses
and
it's
a
really
industrial
type.
Look
with
like
chain
link
fencing
like
you
see
in
a
backyard
with
this
concept,
we're
trying
to
go
with
a
higher
level
of
atmosphere
and
we're
we're
putting
in
these
kind
of
tougher
nicer,
looking
fences
that
you
would
probably
see
more
at
a
industrial
manufacturing
facility.
So
they
they
look.
S
Nice
they're
painted
black
with,
like
nylon
coating
on
them,
but
you
would
be
able
to
see
down
the
lanes.
Part
of
that
is
for
our
safety
too.
So
as
the
proprietor
of
this,
and
as
my
managers
of
the
facility
are
monitoring
activities,
they
kind
of
want
to
see
what's
going
down
on
down
those
lanes.
So
that's
important
to
see.
If
people
are
you
know,
goofing
off
or
throwing
their
axes
inappropriately,
you
can
quickly
identify
who
those
people
are
and
take
appropriate
actions.
S
But
people
from
the
street
for
sure
will
be
able
to
see
down,
probably
the
first
couple
lanes
as
it
gets
further
down
and
those
meshes
of
the
fences
start
overlapping
each
other.
It
might
be
get
more
difficult,
but
yeah.
I
think
they
will
be
able
to
see
it
from
the
street.
You
know
the
whole
front
of
that
venue
is
glass,
so
you
know
we
want
people
to
walk
by
and
see
all
the
activities
going
on
in
there
and
be
interested
want
to
come
in
and
see
what
it's
all
about.
A
I've,
actually,
I
saw
the
one
I
think
it's
I
don't
know
if
it's
west
hollywood
or
or
thereabouts,
there's
one
in
the
city
that
I
I've
seen
a
lot
of
the
pictures
and
videos
and
it's
a
very,
as
you
said,
very
industrial,
very
hard
chain,
leg
fence.
I'm
looking
at
the
pictures
now
that
the
staff
put
up
on
on
the
screen
here
and
again,
one
of
the
pictures
and
again
I
don't
know
if
you
provided
this,
actually
shows
like
a
plexiglas
but
you're
not
going
to
have
that
you're
actually
going
to
there.
S
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
these,
are
you
know,
concepts
from
other
companies
that
we
saw?
Ours
is
going
to
be
this
like
industrial?
Not
it's
what
I
say:
it's
like
a
commercial
fence,
it's
not
like
your
backyard
fence,
but
it's
a
fence
that
goes
all
the
way
down,
and
I
think
it
if
I
recall
it's
like
12
feet
high
on
the
sides
to
be
protective
of,
you
know
a
potential
wild
axe.
S
A
lot
of
companies
do
sell
axes.
It
wasn't
my
plan
to
sell
axes
at
this
point
I
mean
I
you
know.
I
think
I'm
interested
in
the
comment
you
had
about
the
city
code
and
ordnance
about
you,
know
public
weapons
and
stuff
like
that.
It
wasn't
our
intention
to
sell
anything.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
existing
axling
places.
A
S
Divider,
so
that
picture
on
the
bottom
there,
where
they
have
the
separation,
ours
are
going
to
be
a
little
more
completing
so
yeah.
This
is
the
diagram.
There's
only
one
place
to
really
enter
the
axe,
throwing
lanes
where
those
arrows
are
the
the
thing
that
looks
like
the
2x4
on
the
back,
that's
kind
of
a
ledge
where
people
can
put
their
drinks
and
their
food
or
their
snacks
and
people
will
be
standing
behind
that
looking
in
and
watching
their
their
family
members
or
friends
throw
the
axes
so
just
be
where
the
arrow
is.
S
A
S
A
Okay
and
the
vr
room
again
going
back
to
that
picture,
it
looks
like
you
have
a
again.
It
looks
interesting
because
you
have
a
blue
color-ish
thing
and
then
the
tv
screen
so
that
people
walking
by
can
see
what
they're
seeing
are
they
going
to
be
able
to
hear
it
as
well?
I
mean,
is
there
going
to
be
the
noise
of
what's
going
through,
or
is
that
going
to
be
silenced?.
S
I
think
we
have
to
figure
out
the
all
the
different
noises
that
are
going
on
in
the
facility.
The
the
people
playing
vr
will
have
headphones
on
and
the
vr
headset
and
we
will
probably
be
having
some.
S
You
know
some
music,
you
know
just
throughout
the
environment,
which
then
will
have
to
be
selective
on
what
we're
playing
from
the
vr
screens.
You
know
there
there's
also
a
lot
of
vr
competitions
where
I
don't
know.
If
any
of
you
have
done
vr,
but
there's
a
lot
of
games
like
beat
saber,
it's
a
really
fun
game
where
you've
got
these
sabers
and
you're.
S
Trying
anyway,
we'll
go
into
those
details,
but
there's
competitions
that
vr
companies
have
much
like
a
league
where
you
get
a
bunch
of
enthusiasts
together
and
then
you
would
probably
focus
on
the
vr
turn
up
the
music
for
the
the
for
the
beat
saber
and
pay
attention
more
to
that
area.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
conceptual
things
we
like
to
do.
We're
not
sure
how
some
of
those
leagues
and
stuff
will
develop,
but
it's
all
going
to
depend
on
the
enthusiasm
we
get
from
our
patrons.
A
Not
hearing
any,
I
don't
have
any
public
comments,
so
we
will
go
back
to
staff
for
any
comments.
They
may
have.
A
So,
mr
bradley
there's
nothing
for
you
to
rebut,
but
instead
you
had
anything
further.
You
wanted
to
say
you
can
actually
have
an
additional
few
minutes.
D
D
This
area
with
vape
and
busters
the
cinema
there
it's
a
unique
opportunity,
and
I
think
it
brings
a
unique
experience
to
that
this
area
and
I,
like
the
idea
of
having
this
entertainment
option
in
the
community
and
and
providing
some
food
opportunities
with
the
shared
uses
near
nearby.
So
I
recommend
we.
We
move
forward
to
adopting
the
special
use
permit.
E
I'll
speak,
go
ahead.
I
I
share
mr
cohen's
enthusiasm
for
for
this
venue.
I'm
very
excited
it's
just
up
the
street
from
me
and
I
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
this
looks
like
once
once
it's
completed.
Thank
you.
A
Then
I'll
add
my
own,
mr
bell,
I
want
to
thank
you
as
well.
This
is
a
very
interesting
idea
and
again
it
adds
creativity.
I
actually
from
in
my
younger
years,
worked
in
westwood
village,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
think
would
be
a
fabulous
kind
of
concept
back
then
in
terms
of
creating
energy
excitement
and
opportunities.
A
Obviously,
I'm
concerned
about
some
of
the
issues.
Obviously,
the
visual
issues
in
terms
of
what
it
may
represent
and
obviously
there's
an
attempt
or
a
concern
with
regard
to
certain
people
how
they
may
view
this
process,
and
I
don't
want
it
to
lead
to
other
potential
negative
consequences
in
terms
of
how
people
may
react.
A
That's
that's
tough
to
sit
there
and
try
to
balance,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
a
business
that
fits
within
the
confines
of
the
codes
and
permits.
Again,
I
I
thank
you
so
much
for
for
bringing
a
great
idea
to
the
city
and
I
just
hope,
you're
able
to
open
it
soon,
considering
all
the
different
issues
we're
going
through.
So
with
that,
madam
secretary,
please
prepare
us
for
a
vote.
A
Has
this
is
an
approval,
any
agreed
party
who
wishes
to
appeal
the
planning
commission's
decision
may
do
so
by
filing
an
appeal
with
the
community
development
department
within
10
days.
With
that
we
will
then
move
on
to
item
eight
department
reports.
Mr
parker.
C
Thank
you
chair.
There
are
none
this
evening.
A
I
know
it
said
none,
but
I
had
to
go
to
you
anyway,
just
to
see
if
there
had
changed
item
nine
commissioner
comments
and
12
34
reports.
A
Mr
newman
go
ahead,
mr
commissioner.
Newman.
H
H
The
other
thing
is
that
when
the
question
was
put
out
about
what
what
specifically,
would
you
change
to
improve
thousand
oaks?
The
top
answer
was
well,
I'm
really
not
sure,
but
the
next
answer
after
that
and
and
this
is
consistently
the
case
over
many
many
years
of
these
surveys-
is
to
limit
growth
and
to
preserve
our
open
spaces.
H
A
Then
I
will
add
a
brief
one
of
mine.
Looking
at
the
vc
emergency,
we
had
over
the
weekend
200
and
I
can't
think,
with
65
new
infections,
we're
trying
to
get
to
60
a
day
or
less,
which
actually
gets
us
with
the
infection
number
that
we
need
to
get
under
seven
per
100
000
people
in
order
to
get
from
purple
to
red
in
terms
of
the
virus
level,
we're
so
close
in
terms
of
getting
that
number
open
our
number
down.
A
So
we
can
actually
then
have
some
establishments
reopen,
at
least
on
a
25
basis,
anywhere
from
places
of
worship
to
restaurants,
everything
else
so
again,
citizens
of
t.o,
please
try
to
find
ways
to
minimize
the
chances
of
getting
the
infection,
so
we
can
actually
then,
hopefully,
all
help
our
businesses
reopen.
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
briefly
point
out
is:
I
got
this
in
the
mail
today,
which
is
the
general
election
pamphlet
with
regard
to
all
of
the
ballot
initiatives.
A
This
is
overwhelming.
This
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
most
influential
ballot
initiative
process
that
I've
ever
seen.
That
will
have
things
that
will
affect
us
all
in
the
city:
everything
from
a
split
roll
to
rent
control,
to
17
year
olds,
being
able
to
vote
to
carrying
your
property
tax
over
55
everything
you
can
think
of
is
in
here.
So
please
read
this
carefully
go
through
it
make
sure
you
understand
it
and
more
most
importantly,
vote
with
that.
We
will
then
go
to
mr
parker
number
10
for
staff
update.
C
Thank
you
again
chair
in
terms
of
updated
announcements.
We
don't
have
any
this
evening
in
terms
of
the
planning
commission.
We
have
meeting
schedules
both
meetings
in
october,
we'll
be
in
touch
with
you
shortly
in
regards
to
the
october
12th
meeting
and
if
that'll
proceed
or
not.