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A
Greetings:
everybody
welcome
to
the
february
19th
2020
meeting
of
the
traffic
and
transportation
advisory
commission
please
rise
and
follow
me
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
A
All
right
do
we
have
any
regular
public
comments.
A
All
right
so
we'll
just
skip
on
then.
Thank
you.
A
Let's
see
summary
notes,
then.
A
Last
year,
wow
anybody
have
any
comments
on
that.
No
sir,
all
right,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
comments.
Do
we
need
to
show
hands?
No
we're
good,
then
all
right.
Thank
you
all
right,
then
we're
going
to
move
right
on
to
the
engineer
report
and
jim
mashiko.
Are
you
giving
that.
A
B
This
is
a
petition
request
for
the
installation
of
speed
humps
on
columbia,
road
between
moorpark,
road
and
sidley
street,
and
we
have
a
monitor
over
on
the
far
wall
that
shows
a
map
right
now
that
of
this
road
segment,
we're
looking
at
it's.
The
segment
is
shown
in
orange,
it's
a
half
mile
length
of
roadway
with
a
speed
limit
of
25
miles
an
hour
and
there's
about
53
homes,
taking
frontage
along
the
street.
B
Here's
a
photograph
of
columbia,
road,
here's,
a
typical
cross
section.
This
is
taken
at
about
the
midpoint
of
the
street
looking
west
and
you
could
see
the
road
has
good
visibility,
gentle
road
curvature,
the
grade
is
relatively
flat
and
you
can
see
this
street
has
street
lights
and
sidewalks.
B
B
So,
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
request,
we
did
receive
a
petition.
In
september
of
last
year,
I
had
a
high
petition
rate,
85
percent
of
the
residents
fronting
the
road
signed,
the
petition
requesting
speed
humps
to
be
installed
on
columbia.
B
B
B
B
It's
stated
in
resolution,
two
thousand
nine
forty
five
there's
nine
key
criteria,
but
for
this
presentation
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
four
key
ones
that
we
generally
focus
on.
There's
a
petition
rate
traffic
volume
requirement,
speed
requirement
and
residential
street
requirement
columbia.
Road
meets
two
of
these
four
key
criteria
and
met
the
petition
rate,
the
residential
street
requirement,
but
it
did
not
meet
the
traffic
volume
requirement.
Nor
did
it
meet
the
speed
requirement.
B
B
B
We
also
want
to
share
a
couple
other
pieces
of
data
that
are
not
part
of
the
speed
hump
guidelines.
B
We
also
took
a
look
at
the
collision
history
over
a
four
and
a
half
year
period,
we
found
that
there
were
four
collisions
reported
to
the
police
department.
One
did
have
speed
as
a
primary
factor,
which
probably
would
have
been
correctable
with
speed
humps.
The
other
three
were
not
considered
correctable
with
speed
humps.
B
One
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out
is
that
a
number
of
years
ago,
the
city
did
change
its
practice
to
install
speed
cushions
instead
of
speed,
humps,
mainly
due
to
the
fact
that
speed
cushions
are
easier
on
response
times
for
emergency
vehicles
and
here's
a
photograph
taken
of
a
speed
cushion
in
newbury
park
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
there's
open
slots
in
the
street
that
allow
a
emergency
vehicle
to
pass
through
and
still
maintain
its
speed
of
25
miles
an
hour,
and
these
three
inch
high
speed
cushions
are
able
to
maintain
a
speed
of
about
25
miles
an
hour
on
a
street,
and
one
of
the
main
benefits
of
the
speed
speed
cushion
is
that
it
does
reduce
traffic
diversion
to
other
streets
compared
to
speed
humps.
B
B
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
city
has
approved
speed
humps
on
10
streets
in
the
city,
where
the
speed
policy
guidelines
were
not
fully
met
and
those
streets
are
listed
here
on
this
slide,
there's
also
the
circumstances
as
to
why
the
city
council
approved
those
installations
are
in
the
staff
report,
and
if
the
commission
feels
that
columbia
road
is
another
one
of
those
streets
that
is
a
candidate.
D
B
B
B
So
with
that,
the
staff
recommendation
is
in
the
staff
report
and
we'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
Oh
one
last
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out.
I
did
pass
out
prior
to
the
meeting
eight
emails
and
letters
that
we
received
from
members
of
the
public
who
could
not
show
up
tonight
from
those
eight
two
were
in
support
of
speed,
humps.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
D
B
Yes,
that's
correct,
basically
we're
speed,
humps
and
speed
cushions
we
treat
the
same,
but
we
whenever
an
insulation
does
finally
go
in
we're
going
to
use
the
speed
cushions
rather
than
speed.
Humps.
B
E
One
more
quick
question:
has
there
been
any
mention
of
potential
increase
of
traffic
due
to
electronic
navigation
like
waze
or
or
just
you
know,
using
your
iphone
and
how
that's
impacting
our
side
streets
at
all.
B
No,
we
haven't
really
heard
of
that,
whether
it's
on
columbia,
road
or
other
streets
within
the
city,
I
think
people
yeah
they
can
use.
I
understand
ways
can
get
you
through
the
congested
arterial
street
during
peak
hours.
You
know,
that's
always
going
to
be
a
factor,
but
you
know
for
most
the
of
thousand
oaks
we're
not
really
that
congested
of
a
city
during
the
maybe
the
pm
peak
period.
That's
our
heaviest
period.
Okay,
those
are
the
times
at
which
you're
probably
going
to
see
people
cut
through
neighborhoods
to
avoid
arterial
street
congestion.
B
Or
late
afternoon,
traffic
would
police
enforcement
or
presence.
A
B
Yeah,
the
about
1100
vehicle
per
day
average-
that's
our
weekday
average
for
columbia
road,
I
mean
during
that
that's
during
a
24-hour
period.
So
during
the
day
you're
going
to
have
highs
and
lows,
we
took
a
look
at
the
volume
patterns
for
columbia.
We
found
that
there's
that
typical
morning
rush
when
people
are
headed
to
work
going
to
school,
there's
a
midday
a
little
peak
again
and
then
during
the
evening
commute
times,
but
then
during
the
off
peaks.
B
Yes,
there
is
always
a
drop
in
traffic,
which
is
probably
what
you
saw
at
10
o'clock
this
morning
and
typically
for
any
type
of
speed
issue
that
we
have
speeding
or
speed
enforcement
by
the
police
department
is
probably
our
number
one
way
to
try
to
get
the
message
through
to
drivers
that
you
know
they
need
to
slow
down
a
little
bit.
A
A
I
drove
back
and
forth
and
back
and
forth,
and
I
couldn't
figure
out
where
the
cut
cut
through
traffic
was
because
when
you
get
down
to
young,
which
there
is
an
exit
off
of
the
hospital,
but
it's
it's
a
maintenance
gate,
you
know
block
gate,
so
you
went
all
the
way
down
to
lynn
and
I
don't
know
why
anybody
would
you
know
cut
through
that
way.
It
didn't
make
sense
to
me
or
if
I
went
north
on
young
to
flores
and
I'm
going.
A
Why
would
this
be
cut
through
for
people
that
way
it's
easier
to
take
the
regular
street?
Even
if
there's
a
backed
up?
So
I
I'm
sure
some
of
you
speakers
that
are
coming
up,
you
know,
could
enlighten
me
where
all
the
traffic
is.
It's
a
large
neighborhood,
a
lot
of
people
exit
one
thing
I've
always
observed
is
the
more
you
drive
a
route,
the
more
you
feel
comfortable
and
the
faster
you
go,
sometimes,
especially
when
you're
in
a
hurry
and
that's
hard
for
us
to
correct,
because
that's
a
behavior,
we
can't
correct.
A
We
can
do
a
lot
of
things,
but
we
can't
change
the
behavior
of
drivers.
I
did
notice
one
thing
and
if
you
could
give
me
some
feedback
on
it,
you
know
there
is
that
one
curve
that
kind
of
encourages
people
when
they're,
I'm
sure
more
comfortable
going
downhill.
Obviously
you
pick
up
speed,
so
that
would
certainly
encourage
you
know
faster.
A
Do
we
ever
use
any
center
striping
to
kind
of
give
that
perception
of
a
narrower
street
around
a
curve,
possibly
like
that
or
any
other
suggestions
that
might
visually?
Have
people
slow
down,
so
they
don't,
you
know,
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
cross
over
into
the
other
lane.
I
know
some
comments
were
that
people
do
speed
there,
and
sometimes
you
know
when
you
go
a
little
faster
you
get
out
of
your
side
of
the
street
and
that
they
observed
a
couple
times
that
you
know
people
had
to
dodge
around
each
other.
B
Yes,
well,
there's
actually
a
slide
here
that
shows
the
curve
on
this
slide
right
here.
This
is
headed
westbound.
This
is
just
before
you
enter
that
curve.
We
have
center
line
striping
in
the
road
it's
dashed.
B
We
try
not
to
put
too
much
in
terms
of
road,
stripings
or
road
markings
in
because
we
want
to
try
to
maintain
the
residential
feel
of
that
street
right.
A
B
I
think
we
can
make
it
solid.
The
the
people
who
front
the
road
they
could
still
enter
and
exit
their
driveways
if
they
cross
over.
It's
still
legal
yeah,
but
again
it
could
be
a
situation
where
it
may
have
temporary
results.
You
know
at
the
beginning,
people
notice
a
changed
condition
in
the
road
observe
the
line,
but
then
over
time
maybe
they
may
re
revert
back
to
their
previous
behavior.
A
B
Yeah
we
could
always
try
putting
in
additional
signs.
I
know
we
do
have
a
25
mile
per
hour
sign
as
you
come
off
moore
park
road,
because
that's
typically
what
we
do.
If
there's
a
residential
street,
we
try
to
place
a
resin
or
25
mile
per
hour,
sign
right
after
you
enter
a
higher
speed,
roadway
to
to
tell
people
and
remind
them
that
they've
entered
a
residential
zone.
I
don't
think
we
have
one
posted
on
the
other
end
down
by
sidley,
because
they're
already
in
a
residential
zone.
B
To
begin
with,
so
I
mean
that's
always
a
possibility
to
place
one
there,
but
the
challenge
again
would
be
to
determine
the
best
placement
so
that
it's
maybe
not
immediately
in
front
of
someone's
house.
I
mean
we
could
do
a
field
check
to
see
where
the
best
places
would
be.
A
Okay
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
kind
of
throwing
up
some
of
these
suggestions
are,
we
have
put
in
speed
humps
where
all
the
warrants
weren't
met.
But
with
those
exceptions
you
don't
have
a
single
one:
okay,
you're,
not
near
a
school,
you
have
sidewalks,
you
have
good
lighting,
I
mean
there's
just
there's
nothing.
We
can
hang
a
hat
on,
say:
oh,
you
know,
there's
an
exception
here
and
warrants
are
there
for
a
reason.
A
If
we
get
outside
the
preview
of
a
purview
of
putting
stuff
the
city,
you
know,
has
a
liability
exposure
like
we
put
a
stop
sign
where
it
shouldn't
be,
somebody
blows
through.
It
kills
somebody
guess
who
gets
sued
the
city,
because
the
stop
sign
shouldn't
have
been
there.
So
you
know
there
are
exceptions,
line
of
sight,
all
kinds
of
things
we
look
at
all
these,
but
when
you
you
know,
when
you
start
making
exceptions
next
thing,
you
know
you've
got
your
santa
monica
where
there's
a
stop
sign
on
every
corner.
A
You
know
I
mean
literally,
you
got
to
watch
some
of
these
things,
so
I'll
be
interested
to
hear
what
some
of
the
comments
are
and.
A
Okay,
commissioner
lemo.
D
Yeah,
just
just
one
more
quick
question
and
if
this
isn't
the
proper
time,
let
me
know,
but
is
it
possible
if
we
follow
staff's
recommendation
to
do
some
enforcement?
D
Is
it
possible
to
share
with
the
commission
not
by
way
of
dr
address
or
name
but
the
number
of
residents
that
actually
were
stopped
for
speed,
because
one
of
the
points
that
commissioner
gregory
brought
up
we
found
over
and
over
again
is
most
of
the
speed
takes
place,
not
as
a
cut-through
but
as
people
from
the
neighborhood,
and
I
would
like
to
just
know
if
that
bears
out
here
too,
should
we
follow
staff's
recommendation?
B
Okay,
I
just
want
to
clarify:
is
this
something
where,
if
we
did
enforcement
you'd
like
to
know
the
results
of
who
the
speeders
were,
whether
they
were
from
within
the
neighborhood
or
maybe
outside
the
neighborhood?
That's
right,
but
what
I'm.
D
Saying
who
very
very
anonymous,
who
six
were
residents
six
were
from
outside
of
the
street
just
to
see
if
that
what
we've
seen
in
every
other
situation
bears
out
here
as
well.
B
I
think
we
may
need
sergeant
patterson
to
provide
input
whether
or
not
we
can
research.
B
D
C
G
G
The
cut
through
you're
asking
about
is
triangle
street
and
what
it
does
it
gets
you
around
moore
park
and
jans.
That's
a
pretty
pretty
busy
intersection.
If
you
go
through
there,
especially
when
schools
you
know
about
to
start
or
any
time
after
like
three
o'clock.
So
that's
where
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
traffic
or
that's
where
we're
thinking
a
lot
of
traffic
is
coming
from.
I
was
really
surprised
at
how
low
the
numbers
were
as
far
as
how
many
people
are
going
through
there
and
also
the
speed
where
I'm
at
I'm
right
in
the
middle.
G
I
see
cars
do
about
40
and
I
know
they're
doing
about
40,
because
I
just
moved
out
from
west
l.a
and
we
did
a
similar
thing
out
there.
It's
kind
of
a
wide
street-
it's
not
wide
enough
and
the
pitchers
don't
quite
do
it
justice.
I
took
a
video-
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
want
to
see
it
or
not
of
me
driving
up,
especially
that
one
winding
cord
you
go
up
and
you
go
around.
G
G
G
I
also
thought
that
where
they
put
the
speed
humps
anywhere
from
four
to
six
houses
right,
there
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
hit
they're
going
to
slow
that
average
down.
As
far
as
how
fast
the
cars
are
going,
there's
no
way
they
can
pull
into
their
driveways
doing
30
miles
an
hour.
They
can't
pull
out
and
hit
30
miles
an
hour
before
they
hit
the
pump
hump.
So
I
felt
like
I
don't
know.
G
If
there's
lead
way
that
is,
is
given
to
those
averages
or
not,
but
with
71
I
thought
we
were
pretty
close
if
it
was
40.
I
wouldn't
be
here
tonight,
but
I
thought
we're
real
close
and
again
we're
trying
to
be
proactive
instead
of
reactive
and
come
back
and
say
a
year
from
now
hey,
you
know
we
were
close
last
time
we
hit
it,
that's
the
biggest
thing.
I
think
that
that
we
see
I
have
three
small
children,
I
don't
let
them
play
in
the
front
yard.
G
I
don't
let
them
get
in
the
mail,
because
if
they
step
out
two
feet
from
my
mailbox,
they
may
get
hit.
Those
are
the
real
reasons
why
I'm
here.
I
also
had
some
other
things.
I
was
going
to
look
at.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
considering
the
speed
humps.
I
want
to
thank
jim
ashiko
for
for
all
the
information
he
you
know,
he's
been
great
about
helping
me
get
through
this
process.
So
thank
you,
jim
the
high
number
of
85
percent.
G
So
a
lot
of
people
on
the
street
want
them
they're
only
two.
There
are
five
people
who
said
no
to
people
I
couldn't
get
a
hold
of
some
people,
don't
actually
live
on
the
they
have
they
own
the
house,
but
a
couple
of
people
don't
live
there,
so
it
was
hard
to
get
those
petitions
of
the
thousand.
I
guess
thousand
cars
that
go
there
on
average
on
one
part,
there's
another
600
that
go
at
the
bottom.
G
I
don't
know
if
those
are
all
if
they're
all
going
through
at
the
same
time,
if
they're
cutting
through
on
triangle
or
where
are
they
going
three
minutes?
Okay,
sorry
about
that
last
thing,
next
steps:
how
do
we
petition
this?
If
we,
if
it
doesn't
pass,
what's
the
fee
and
then
can
we
do?
We
start
the
process
over
again
or
my
last
questions.
F
F
Leave
the
car
side
or
the
street
side
doors
open
and
leave
their
cars,
causing
the
drivers
going
up
the
street
to
move
into
the
ongoing
traffic
in
order
to
pass
is
frequent.
It's
happened
to
me
many
many
times.
I
didn't
allow
my
kids
to
play
in
the
front
yard
they
played
in
the
backyard.
Our
yards
are
big
enough
there
to
do
that.
F
The
most
dangerous
place
on
that
street
is
the
corner
of
triangle
and
columbia.
It
is
a
completely
blind
intersection.
F
F
Some
solutions
might
be
an
officer
at
triangle,
in
columbia,
on
a
random
basis,
given
tickets,
a
stop
sign
at
triangle,
but
you
mentioned
the
stop
sign
and
it's
almost
too
late,
because
it's
after
the
curve-
and
you
wouldn't
see
it
until
you
were
almost
on
it-.
F
H
H
You
know
I
was
talking
to
clay
and
you
know
there
was
somebody
cutting
through
our
neighborhood,
and
you
know
when
I
pulled
out
of
my
driveway.
I
looked
to
the
left.
I
was
face
down
and
you
know
he
was
just
coming
over
moorpark
just
coming
onto
our
street
and
he
just
picked
up
speed.
So
about
time.
I
came
out
he's
honking
the
horn
getting
all
belligerent
with
me,
so
I
don't
know.
Maybe
I
would
like
to
find
a
solution.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
cost
the
city
a
lot
of
money.
H
It
probably
wouldn't
hurt
to
put
these
speed
bumps
in
so
that
you
know
we
could
have
our
kids
play
on
the
street.
I
don't
know
if
that'll
ever
happen,
it
would
be
nice.
My
kids
are
grown.
Now
I
have
a
grandson
living
with
me:
it'd
be
nice
that
they
could
play
in
the
front,
but
there's
other
reasons
why
you
probably
wouldn't
want
them
to
play
in
the
front.
I've
lost
several
animals
on
the
street
as
well.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Okay,
you
know.
H
So
anyways
I'm
for
the
speed
bumps
to
slow
people
down,
because
my
bedroom
faces
the
street
and
I
hear
them
going
by
and
it
you
know
you
could
tell
somebody
is
doing
the
speed
limit
versus
someone
isn't
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
just
way
over
the
speed
limit,
and
it's
probably
because
we
do
have
a
wide
street
as
well.
That's
all.
I
have
thanks.
I
So
my
name
is
kenny
riley
from
thousand
oaks.
I
live
at
391
columbia,
road,
which
is
about
three
or
four
houses
in
just
west
of
moore
park.
Road
and
I've
lived
there
for
about
a
year.
I
have
two
young
children,
nine
and
eleven
and
bottom
line
for
me
is,
I
feel,
like
we
just
need
a
solution.
One
thing
that
I
really
just
learned
in
the
last
year
is
people
fly
down.
My
street.
I
I've
worked
in
my
neighbor's
house
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
and
people
went
just
as
fast.
Even
a
high
frequency
of
cars
call
it
11
12
1
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
they're
still
racing
down
my
street.
If
I
had
to
cross
the
street
like
your
head's
on
a
swivel,
because
one
thing:
that's
also
unique.
With
with
our
section
of
street
from
clay's
house
to
my
house,
you
come
up
the
hill
and
there's
a
band
and
then
it
kind
of
curves.
I
So
when
I
walk
across
the
street,
if
I
look
right-
and
I
look
left-
I
don't
see
any
cars
I
could
be
in
the
middle
of
street
and
somebody
somehow
is
right
there
and
it's
because
of
speed,
and
it's
just
a
weird
street
with
angles.
So
somebody
says
something
about:
in
the
middle
of
day,
there
were
no
cars
there.
Well,
we
live
there
and
I've
noticed
it
being
there
all
day
long.
I
The
other
thing
is
people
do
cut
corners.
So
a
lot
of
people
do
park
their
cars
on
the
curb
line
when,
fortunately,
when
they're
apart
there,
nobody
hits
them,
but
in
the
middle
of
the
day
I've
seen
people
cut
corners
almost
even
hit
a
curb.
So
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
people
hit
trash
cans
or
there's
a
lot
of
rear
renders
into
parked
cars
quick
story.
I
My
wife
was
pulling
out
a
driveway
one
day
and
she
looked
right,
looked
left
pulled
out
and,
as
she
got
turned
straight,
to
go
down
the
street
somebody's
right
on
her
rear
end
and
they
were
honking
their
horn
at
her
and
she
was
paying
attention.
Looked
right
looked
left
right
and
left
and
he
passed
her
up
after
honking
so
and-
and
I
my
opinion
would
be-
there
are
people,
maybe
that
live
on
our
street
or
in
our
neighborhood
that
speed,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
majority
of
them.
I
It
is
a
cut
through,
and
I
can
guarantee
that
because
I
hear
people
talk
about
it
being
a
cut
through
to
go
from
moorpark
to
to
lynn
whether
it
be
cutting
over
to
jams
by
lorena
or
whatnot,
but
it
is
a
cut
through
and
just
because
there's
fewer
lights,
so
last
thing
I'll
say
is
my
children.
I
do
have
them
play
in
the
front
yard.
I
mean
in
the
backyard.
I
I
would
prefer
them
play
in
the
front
yard
and
have
a
good
neighborhood
experience,
but
unfortunately
they
can't,
but
I
am
raising
them
to
be
proactive,
learn
how
to
look
both
ways
before
they
cross
the
street.
And
but
accidents
do
happen
and,
like
clay
said,
I
would
prefer
the
city
to
be
proactive
and
not
reactive,
so
somebody
gets
critically
injured
or
heaven
forbid
killed.
Then
we're
all
going
to
be
in
the
same
room
and
it's
going
to
be
a
different
circumstance.
I
So
I
like
to
live
proactively
and
I
would
appreciate
if
you
guys,
would
really
consider
whatever
the
best
solution
is,
and
I
think
it
would
be
more
than
having
our
police
officers,
which
we
appreciate,
but
I
think
it
would
be
something
more
that
is
needed
to
make
them
slow
down.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
All
right.
A
Have
a
question
for
you,
I'm
sorry:
I
should
have
as
the
cut
through
goes.
What
direction
generally
are
they
traveling.
I
Well
I'll
tell
you
one
instance:
my
father-in-law
found
the
house
that
I
live
in
because
30
years
ago
he
lives
in
the
wildwood
track
and
I
don't
know
exactly
how,
but
he
was
coming
through
moorpark
road
cut
down
columbia
to
go
to
lynn
road,
so
that
would
be
heading.
I
guess
west.
I.
G
Believe
yeah,
so
I.
I
Guarantee
you
30
years
ago,
he
did
that
me
personally,
I
live
there,
so
I
don't
use
it
as
a
cut
through,
but
I
guarantee
people
use
that
as
a
cut
through
going
that
direction,
if
they're
using
it
that
direction
they're
trying
to
miss
the
same
lights,
because
the
lights
are
very
long
there.
You
know
at
moore
park
road
in
columbia,
road.
I
A
A
Is
that
kind
of
the
time
frame
then
that
the
people
are
because
they
they
don't
want
to
stand?
You
know
in
three
lights
to
get
up
and
make
a
turn
or
whatever.
I
That
could
be,
I
I
don't
know
for
sure,
but
I
do
know
that
any
part
of
the
day
unless
it's
like
four
in
the
morning,
I
I've
I've.
I've
noticed
people
just
speeding
through.
So
I
don't
know
for
sure
what
time
sir.
A
A
Right,
unfortunately,
we
just
can't
it's
the
rule,
okay
and
we're
always
working
on
those
intersections.
I
just
want
you
to
know,
so
we
get
a
better
picture
of
the
problem
yeah
for
our
tools,
any
other
questions
all
right.
J
Hello,
all
right
so
patty
cunningham,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
on
columbia,
road,
I'm
268..
I
just
want
to
share
some
of
my
experiences.
So
I've
been
there
for
16
years.
J
My
my
kids
grew
up
there,
so
they're
all
big
now,
but
the
issue
the
issue
on
colombia
has
been
there
a
long
time
and
by
the
way
there
was
there
was
a
prior
effort
to
try
to
get
speed
bumps
on
the
street
so
and-
and
that
happened
roughly
the
time
that
I
moved
in
the
problem
with
colombia-
it's
not
the
total
number
of
cars,
it's
the
cars
per
hour,
because
there
are
certain
times
that,
where
there's
just
many
many
more
cars
and
the
other
issue
is
just
has
to
do
with
speed,
it's
not
how
many
cars
are
over
the
speed
limit.
J
It's
how
fast
they're
going.
I
think
everybody's
kind
of
said
that
the
cut
through
again
jan's
triangle,
gents
triangle,
to
colombia.
You
know-
I
see
it-
people
people
who
are
going
east
on
on
jantz
road
they
cut
through,
so
they
go
to
the
high
school.
You
know
that's
and
it
happens
in
the
morning
a
lot.
J
So
we
have
we
have.
We
have
two
schools
that
are
around
us.
We
have
the
high
school
where
they
cut
through.
We
also
have
st
pascal's,
which
is
at
the
end
of
the
street,
all
right
so
experiences.
The
first
one
is.
I
pull
out
my
driveway
in
the
morning
and
I
look
both
ways
and
by
the
time
I'm
out
somebody
is
on
my
butt.
J
Literally,
I
mean
they're
just
right
there,
because
they've
sped
down
the
street
on
multiple
occasions.
I've
had
people
pass
me
on
my
street
which,
which
unbelievable
they're
just
just
screaming.
J
J
Yeah
it
again
it's
just
it
just
has
everything
to
everything
to
do
with
speed.
I
you
know
a
few
years
ago
somebody
actually
hit
a
fire
hydrant
and
took
out
a
tree
and
took
out
a
mailbox
all
in
front
of
my
house,
because
somebody
was
screaming
down
the
street
same
thing
and
that's
it.
It's
all
about
speed
and
that's
very
scary.
F
J
J
Speed
speed,
speed
thanks
yeah,
that's
it!
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Anybody
have
a
question
for
patty.
No
all
right,
then.
That's
all
our
public
comment.
We
do
have
some
cards,
though,
that
they're
just
written
for
it.
I
have
one
about
the
prior
speed
humps,
nobody
marked
in
favor
or
opposed,
but
the
the
fact
that
it
was
what
10
20
years
ago.
A
D
A
Be
closer
to
20,
because
I've
been
here
for
15
and
no,
we
didn't
do
do
that
and
I
have
a
lot
of
cards
with
some
good
information,
but
I'm
just
going
to
count
them
up
and
basically
have
four
more
in
favor.
Okay,
just
so
you
know,
we
had
eight
emailed
that
came
in,
as
jim
had
said.
The
six
were
not
in
favor
of
it.
A
Those
tended
to
be
the
people
that
lived
there
for
30
years,
okay
and
and
two
were
for
it
yeah,
obviously
for
the
oh
and
they
also
mentioned
you
know
the
high
speeds
and
danger
of
backing
out
of
their
driveway
and
those
kind
of
things
which
kind
of
go
with
that
parked
cars
are
always
a
problem,
so
you
know
because
of
the
line
of
sight,
visibility
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So,
with
that
conclusion,
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
find
out
if
staff
has
any
further
comments
about
what
was
said
so
jim.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
We
have
do
have
some
comments
to
make
based
on
some
of
the
questions
or
comments
that
were
said
by
the
speakers.
One
of
the
questions
had
to
do
with
appeal
process
or
a
fee
involved.
We
do
have
a
process
for
that.
I
believe
they
go
through
the
city
clerk's
office.
The
appeal
fee
is
about
1440
dollars
and
I
think,
there's
a
maybe
a
seven
day
window
in
order
for
them
to
file
that
appeal
from
from
today.
B
There
was
also
a
question
about
the
locations
of
the
machines.
One
measurement
showed
of
a
volume
of
about
1100
vehicles
per
day
and
another
one
had
a
volume
measurement
about
600
vehicles
per
day.
The
first
measurement
was
taken
along
a
straight
section
near
the
midpoint
of
columbia
road.
We
felt
that
that
was
probably
going
to
be
the
highest
point
at
which
speeds
would
be
measured.
So
we
picked
that
point,
and
then
we
picked
the
other
one
off
to
the
west
where
we
have
that
grade.
B
It
was
just
past
triangle
triangle,
street,
just
north
of
triangle,
so
in
terms
of
traffic
volume,
a
residential
street
is
designed
for
carrying
up
to
2500
vehicles
per
day,
so
the
volume
of
traffic
on
columbia,
road
is
1100,
so
we're
not
near
you
know
the
halfway
of
what
that
road
can
carry
in
years
past
the
streets
that
typically
qualify
for
the
speed
hump
guidelines
are
going
to
be
those
streets
that
are
approaching
that
capacity
of
the
roadway
two
thousand
two
thousand
five
hundred
vehicles
per
day.
B
Columbia
road
is
not
does
not
meet
those
numbers.
One
thing
to
think
about
is:
if
people
are
using
columbia
as
a
shortcut
if
they
do
take
compared
to
jans
if
they
stay
on
jans,
once
you
get
past
more
park
road
to
lynn,
road,
there's
no
signals
in
between
that
road
segment.
There's
no
multi-way
stop
so
you'll
continue
from
linda
jans
at
a
speed
of
what
posted
speed
is
35
miles
an
hour.
B
The
only
time
you're
really
going
to
come
to
a
stop
is
either
at
moore
park,
road
and
then
again
at
lynn
road.
So
it
all
depends.
Do
you
know
do
the
does
that
driver
want
to
feel
that
they
can
con
reduce
their
travel
time
by
cutting
through
the
neighborhood
or
will
they?
B
You
know,
maintain
their
travel
time
if
they
stay
on
jans
jan's
road,
so
it
all
depends
I'm
sure,
during
the
the
peak
periods,
that's
when
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
get
your
short
cutters,
but
based
on
the
volume
of
the
traffic
that
we
measured.
This
does
not
indicate
there's
a
high
number
of
traffic
cutting
through
the
neighborhood.
B
B
The
the
comment-
or
there
was
a
comment
made
about
the
curves
on
the
road-
one
thing
that
by
having
cur
a
little
bit
of
road
curvature,
that
sort
of
does
have
a
traffic
calming
effect
versus
a
road.
That's
straight.
If
the
road
is
straight,
those
are
the
roads
that
we
typically
get
more
complaints
on,
because
you
know
the
driver
can
see
further
down
the
road.
The
line
of
sight
is
much
better.
They
can
see
that
they
can
maintain
their
speed
because
there's
no
impediment,
but
if
there's
a
curve,
you're
not
really
sure.
A
All
right
any
commissioner
questions
further
for
staff.
B
Okay,
yeah:
we
have
that
center
line
striping
through
the
curve,
normally
most
streets.
Even
you
know,
with
those
curbs
they're,
they
they're
not
marked.
Unless
the
residents
approach
the
city
and
they
identify.
You
know,
there's
an
issue
so
we'll
do
an
investigation,
and
if
we
find
that
maybe
a
centerline
striping
would
help,
we
would
install
it
so
probably
in
this
installation.
B
We
were
approached
in
the
past
by
residents
and
we
notified
the
property
owners
that
front
that
section
that
we
would
select.
You
know
where
the
road
striping
would
go
in.
Let
them
know
that
the
city
is
proposing
to
do
that
and
the
reasons
why?
So,
if
we
were
to
make
that
center
line
stripe
from
a
dashed
yellow
to
a
solid
yellow,
we
would
probably
go
through
the
process,
notify
the
residents
again
of
the
change
so
that
they're
not
taken
by
surprise.
If
they
see
a
change
in
the
road.
A
We
can
only
restripe
it
and
try
to
improve
it
and
and
they
try
to
coordinate
the
the
timing
and
and
and
the
staff
they
monitor
all
those
things
and
they
do
try
to
optimize
them
for
busy
hours,
and
I
know
that
so
that
would
be
a
suggestion
I
have.
There
was
a
somebody
had
mentioned
that
there
was
a
blind
spot
on
triangle.
A
I
don't
know.
If
that's
something
we
should
look
at,
I
didn't
notice
it
when
I
drove
it
back
and
forth,
but
but
I
but
I
would
suggest
staff-
maybe
look
at
that,
but
we
would
put
a
stop
sign
on
triangle.
Okay,
we
would
not
put
it
on
columbia,
that's
just
the
way
it
is.
But
if
that's
a
hazardous
situation
I
would
suggest
the
striping.
You
know
possibly
looking
into
putting
that
solid
striping.
It
people
don't
tend
to
go
over
a
solid
line.
A
A
A
You
know
it
is
they
put
their
own
up
and
and
it's
more
effective
when
they
do
put
those
out
to
kind
of
say
my
kids
are
out
there
because
the
more
you
drive
by
a
sign,
the
less
you
pay
attention
to
it.
So
we
could
we
could
you
know
we
could
put
all
the
signage
you'd
ever
want
in
your
neighborhood
and
you'd
be
calling
us
up
to
take
it
down.
A
So
we
we
try
not
to
get
too
crazy
on
that,
but
maybe
some
other
speed,
you
know
larger.
You
know
maybe
in
a
different
location,
speed
signs
and
all
that,
because
you
know,
when
I
look
at
this
whole
situation,
I
just
can't
find
an
exception.
A
You
know
you
guys
are
so
far
away,
and
I
know
you
have
a
problem
and
if
you
don't
get
what
you
want
today,
I'm
going
to
encourage
that
we're
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
this
all
right
and
and
keep
looking
for
so
solutions
and
we've
had
neighborhoods
come
here
for
a
couple
years
until
we
finally
worked
out
something
that
worked
all
right.
We
got
enough
information.
We
tried
some
things.
We
saw
saw
how
effective
they
were
and
whatnot,
because
safety
is
our
concern.
Okay,
we're
not
we're.
Never
ignoring
that
factor.
A
D
You
briefly
spoke
about
a
stop
sign
and
I'm
looking
here
and
wondering.
Is
there
a
right-of-way
issue
at
triangle,
because
how
can
I
best
say
this?
Stop
signs
are
never
used
to
control
speed,
they
are
used
to
control
right-of-way
and
a
peripheral
benefit
from
time
to
time
is
that
they
may
have
a
positive
impact
on
speed,
because
you're
coming
to
a
stop.
Is
that
what
you
were
pointing
out
there
that
that
is
a
four-way,
so
that
a
stop
sign
would
in
fact
denote
right-of-way?
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting.
A
Going
against
the
warrants,
could
you
just
report
back
on
that?
You
know
to
see
if
we
have
an
issue,
you
know
where
triangle
and
colombia
are.
I
wasn't
aware
of
it,
but
if
it
does
exist
and
people
are
speeding,
that
could
be
a
situation,
but
what
the
oops,
what
the
solution
is
is
you
know
generally
making
sure
the
people
on
triangle?
Don't
do
a
running
california
stop
to
get
in
front
of
the
traffic
okay,
so
you
know
putting
in
a
four-way.
There
would
be
even
harder
warrants
than
getting
speed.
A
Humps,
probably
okay,
yeah,
it's
very
difficult,
but
anyways
we'll
have
we'll
direct
step
to
look
at
then
any
other
question.
No
any
other
feedback
from
staff,
then.
B
A
B
At
lynn,
take
a
look
at
the
intersection
of
triangle
and
columbia
to
see.
If
there's
a
sight,
distance
issue
see
if
what
counter
measures
might
be
appropriate,
there
look
at
changing
the
centerline
striping
through
the
curve
from
a
dashed,
yellow
to
solid,
yellow
and
then
take
a
look
at
additional
signage.
Maybe
additional
speed
limit
signs
to
be
added
through
the
neighborhood
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
adding
pavement
markings.
B
The
25
payment
markings
to
supplement
the
signs
as
well.
Okay,.
A
D
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
follow
staff's
recommendation
and
that
is
item
recommendation
number
two,
that
the
most
viable
solution
is
to
request
additional
police
enforcement
of
the
speed
limit.
It
says
here
during
morning
and
evening
commute
I'd,
suggest,
maybe
random
times
and
and
of
course,
peak
school
periods,
sort
of
see,
if
you
can
surprise
some
folks
use
of
the
portal
use
of
the
portable
radar
radar
feedback.
D
That
works
very
very
well
that
also
kind
of
preps
people
not
to
complain
too
much
when
they
get
stopped
by
the
police
and
and
then
understand
that,
at
this
time,
traffic
conditions
do
not
support
installation
of
speed.
Humps
and
that's
my
motion.
D
C
C
Any
person
wishing
to
appeal
a
commission,
a
decision
of
the
traffic
commission
shall
file
a
written
appeal
and
pay
an
appeal
fee
with
the
city
clerk's
department
within
10
calendar
days
of
this
decision.
The
matter
will
be
referred
to
the
city
council
at
the
earliest,
reasonable
and
available
date.
The
affiliate
fee
will
be
refunded
only
if
the
city
council
overturns
a
traffic
commission's
decision.
B
Do
want
to
point
out
one
thing:
if
this
item
is
appealed
to
city
council,
we
will
go
through
the
same
notification
process
to
the
entire
neighborhood
that
we
went
through
this
evening,
so
that
the
entire
neighborhood
is
aware
that
there,
an
appeal
was
filed
on
this
item.
A
Sure-
and
it's
your
right
to
do
so
if
you
want
okay
and
thank
you
we're
going
to
move
on
to
seven,
then
stats
report
prior
commission
recommendations.
D
A
B
A
Great
that
was
a
great
report.
All
right,
then
we
have
nothing.
Eight
for
referrals,
we
didn't
have
any
and
do
we
have
any
work
program.
Commission
schedule.
Does
anybody
else
have
any.
D
Thank
you.
I
have
thank
you,
chair
gregory.
I
have
one
item
that
I
spoke
with
staff
about
and
forwarded
a
report
from
a
city
council
member
and
the
crossing
guard
staff
is
working
on
it
and
we
will,
at
the
very
least,
receive
some
kind
of
an
update
at
our
next
meeting
and
at
the
most,
maybe
get
some
other
recommendations.
But
I
I'd
like
to
have
us:
do
whatever
is
possible
to
accomplish
that
on
the
march?
I
believe
it's
march
18th
agenda.
A
Okay,
then
commission
comments
discussion.
Anybody
has
any
have
anything
other
than
whether
we
should
vote
to
cancel
a
march
18th
traffic
commission
meeting.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
major
agendas
to
fill
it
up.
I
do
see
a
list
of
some
future
agendas
and
I'm
sure
staff
will
inform
us
when
it's
the
correct
time
for
that,
but
one
sec.
Commissioner
lemo,
thank
you.
D
Sure
gregory,
actually,
that
I
do
have
a
comment
on
that,
a
couple
of
comments,
one
of
which
is
mine,
even
if
it's
an
extremely
short
meeting,
meaning
less
than
an
hour.
D
I've
received
feedback
from
two
council
members
and
one
community
member
saying
we
would
just
like
to
you
know,
be
able
to
bring
some
things
to
you.
So
what
I'm
asking
is
this?
I,
I
think
it
should
be
the
purview
of
the
chair
based
on
what
they
think
the
agenda
is
going
to
be
because
of
this
one
particular
issue.
A
All
right
and
it
just
dawned
on
me-
was
there
some
information
we're
going
to
ask
steph
to
put
on
our
next
meeting
whenever
that
is
whether
it's
march
or
april,
about
a
crossing
guard
incident.
A
Yeah
they're
working
on
that
now,
and
so
we
need
to
formally
ask
if
you'll
gather
some
information
about
this
collision
and.
A
Instances,
you
know
that
kind
of
thing
and
if
you'll
take
a
look-
and
maybe
let
us
know
whether
there
would
be
the
need
for
a
march
meeting
or
we
just
go
ahead
and
and
that
would
be
something
you
could
bring
us
up
to
date
in
april.
I
don't
know
what
the
time
sensitivity
of
it
is,
but
you
know
somebody
being
hit
or
crossing
guards
or
we
try
to
protect
them,
and
I
have
done
some
side
school
sidewalks
and
I
can
tell
you
they
don't
get
paid
enough
absolutely
for
what
they
do
so
you'll.
B
Let
us
know
about
that
yeah.
I
just
want
to
comment
yeah.
It
appears
that
the
request
that
was
forwarded
to
us
is
a
normal
item
that
we
would
handle
administratively
as
an
investigation
and
then
once
we're
completed
with
an
investigation,
we
can
then
share
the
results
with
the
commission.
Okay,.
A
So
it's
your
purview
but
you'll.
Just
let
us
know
what
happened.
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
letting
us.
You
know
bringing
it
to
our
attention
all
right
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
I'm
going
to
make
the
motion
that
we
cancel
the
march
meeting.
Unless
staff
informs
us
something
occurs
otherwise,
and
do
we
just
need
a
show
of
hands
whether.
C
A
Then
we're
adjourning
the
traffic
and
transportation
advisory
commission
now
adjourned
till
6
pm
on
april
15
2020
in
the
boardroom
of
the
civic
arts,
plaza
on
the
third
floor
and
good
night
drive
safe.