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Traffic Commission Meeting 1/19/22
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B
F
G
F
B
B
The
reason
why
I
did
that
is
because
normally,
if
we
would
have
done
the
chair
first,
the
chair
without
a
vice
chair
would
have
taken
on
the
agenda,
because
the
vice
chair
is
not
here.
I
felt
if
we
and
I
concur
with
the
the
rest
of
staff
or
the
rest
of
the
commissioners
and
city
attorney.
The
reason
why
I
went
for
vice
chair
first
was
simply
a
common
sense.
One.
The
vice
chair
in
the
absence
of
the
chair,
would
take
over
the
running
of
the
meeting.
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So
that
is
the
only
reason
and
by
the
way
again,
it
has
been
my
experience
in
the
past
that
the
chair
does
have
the
ability
to
move
items
on
the
agenda
in
different
order,
but
that's
my
rationale
behind
it.
If
we
were
to
move
in
theory,
if
we
were
to
move
the
chair
first,
we
would
have
no
chair
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
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Commissioner,
hayek
there
isn't,
this
is,
as
you
may
imagine,
this
is
as
very
similar
to
council
in
other
places.
This
is
the
way
that
the
the
customary
way
that
it's
been
done,
that
the
vice
chair
has
the
most
experience,
and
so
that's
why
they
have
done
it.
I
listen.
It
can
be
done.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
find
out
from
the
city
attorney.
Do
I
have
the
right
to
do
the
before.
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G
G
D
B
We've
done,
that
is
because
this
is
a
committee
that
has
very
very
distinct
lines.
It
is,
I
don't
know
if
I'd
call
it
ceremonial,
it
is
more
just
orderly
and
and
and
also
I,
I
also
think,
even
though
government
is
not
that
way
in
2021
or
22,
it's
it's
really
just
kind.
That's
all
it's!
I
want
to
make
sure
that.
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B
G
B
Confusing,
I
gotta
honestly
tell
you
that
this
is
kind
of
new
territory.
Is
that
in
this
in
this
commission,
which
is
my
my
purview
at
this
point
in
time
until
we
make
the
change,
I've
never
seen
it
different,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it.
Doesn't
it
can't
be?
It
just
means
you
have
to
have
the
votes
to
make
a
difference,
so
we'll
take
it
from
there.
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B
B
No,
but
he
did
mention
that
he
was
a
little
uncomfortable
with
the
fact
that
the
49ers
really
stand
in
our
way
of
going
a
little
further
through
the
nfl,
but
but
that's
another
point
for
another
day:
no,
no,
we
were.
We
were
just
trying
to
move
through
the
system
in
anticipation
of
your
coming
so
you're
here
now.
Do
you
accept
the
nomination
as
traffic
commission
chair?
I
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
nominations
for
traffic
commissions,
commissioner
hyatt.
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F
B
A
G
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C
F
B
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F
I
G
I
A
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I
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C
Yeah
this
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
Registration
for
public
comments
was
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
traffic
commission
regarding
items
on
the
agenda
or
on
a
subject
within
the
city
jurisdiction
speakers
for
specific
agenda
items
shall
be
called
and
heard
during
the
specific
item.
C
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
traffic
commission
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
the
commission
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
recording
secretary
prior
to
the
meeting.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
their
community
of
residence
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
traffic
commission
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
engineer
for
administrative
follow-up.
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J
J
The
last
time
I
came
to
the
traffic
meeting
to
speak.
I
I
asked
for
cameras
and
I
was
told
that
no,
you
can't
have
cameras
because
cameras,
you
know,
aren't
good
for
for
people's
rights
and
and
now
I
understand
we
have
cameras,
license
reading
cameras,
but
I
would
like
the
the
council
to
consider
putting
one
here
at
linen
chance.
J
It's
a
dangerous
intersection.
All
you
have
to
do
is
ask
caltrans.
We've
had
three
accidents
in
the
same
location
this
year
just
up
the
hill,
because
there
is
a
turn
and
a
hill.
We
have
a
bicycle
lane
going
in
both
directions.
We
have
emergency
vehicles
and
you
guys
probably
don't
realize
it
because
you
haven't
done
a
traffic
study
out
here,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
construction,
a
lot
of
heavy
trucks
and
it's
it's
a
race
track.
I
have
been
trying
to
work
with
the
traffic
department.
J
This
the
actually
I
called
the
traffic
sergeant
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
them,
but
I
was
told
by
dispatch
that
when
a
vehicle
went
by
that
was
racing
or
loud,
I
should
call
them
realizing
that
I've
built
my
wall
tall
a
lot
of
times.
I
can't
give
them
a
description
and
I
I
really
think
it's
it's
a
death
waiting
to
happen
and
would
love
some
help
down
here.
J
You
are
adding
numbers
and
numbers
of
people
to
this
community.
You
have
one
minute
remaining.
Thank
you.
You
don't
even
know
how
many
people
you
have,
because
people
are
living
in
garages
and
in
spare
rooms.
You
think
that
you
have
125
homeless
people.
Well,
you've
got
262
homeless
children
in
kaneho
valley,
school
districts,
so
traffic
is
bad
here.
It's
ridiculous.
J
I
would
appreciate
some
help.
I've
spoken
with
amy
commons
of
hca
in
las
robles
requested
that
she
would
ask
it's
not
that
expensive
for
another
camera-
and
I
know
mr
caruso
is-
is
adding
cameras
to
his
development,
and
I've
asked
hca
to
do
that,
but
if
you
could
consider
doing
that
and
maybe
also
consider
hiring
some
more
police
because
they
are
really
overworked
when
I
call
now
I
cannot
get
through
because
it's
not
emergency
and
by
the
time
my
non-emergency
comes
around
your
time
to
speak
is
up.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
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H
E
I
would
I
would
re
reply
by
indicating
that
we
will
share
comments
with
the
thousands
police
department,
and
you
know
they
are
the
ones
that
would
be
in
a
position
to
address
these
concerns
and
any
comments
about
potential
use
of
cameras
that
would
again
fall
under
their
jurisdiction.
So
they
weren't
able
to
have
a
representative
join
us
tonight,
but
we
will
relate
their
her
concerns
to
them.
I'm
I
believe,
they're
already
aware
of
them
follow
up.
I
All
right
seeing
that
there
are
none
we
can
move
to
the
next
item,
which
is
our
engineers
reports
and
before
before.
We
call
on
sent
senior
engineer
jim
michiko
to
present
the
first
report.
I
would
like
to
explain
the
flow
of
the
meeting
for
the
benefit
of
those
watching
us
tonight
and
residents
who
registered
to
speak
under
this
meetings.
Engineers
reports
each
of
these
reports
will
be
followed
by
a
discussion
between
the
traffic
commissioners
and
staff
when
that
discussion
is
done.
I
K
K
K
E
Right
right
and
north,
I
think
the
currently
obviously
up
for
discussion,
but
we're
not
contemplating
the
design
changes
to
make
this.
You
know
these
humps
and
so
forth,
taller
or
wider,
or
any
different,
necessarily
in
terms
of
the
design
itself,
just
more
focus
on
the
policy
and
what
would
qualify
or
not
qualify,
yeah.
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Right,
so
what
I'm
saying
is
if,
if
those
changes
result
in
resident
saying
well,
you
know
I've
asked
for
speed
bumps
before
speed
humps
before,
and
I
want
to
reevaluate
it
under
the
existing
policy.
Is
that
what
we
do?
We
revert
to
the
new
policy
for
any
new
things
going
forward
when
we're
evaluating
right?
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
correct!.
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I
have
I
have
just
a
question
and
a
comment,
mr
chair
sure.
Thank
you,
mr
mashiko,
for
the
staff
report.
My
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
recommunicate
my
my
thoughts
from
october
of
just.
I
think
it's
pertinent
every
so
often
because
this
original
resolution
is
a
2009
item.
My
just
general
takeaway
is
is,
is
you
guys
are
the
experts
in
the
room?
I
think
it
just
needs
a
facelift
update.
I
I
generally
like
the
red
lines
that
were
proposed
for
it,
because
you
know
best
practices
updates
to
best
practices.
D
I
did
want
to
ask
specifically:
it
was
section
b
rules
and
rags
item
number
three,
the
prerequisite
education
program.
You
do
have
that
item
red
line
it
is
deleted.
I
wanted
to
ask:
is
there
going
to
be
anything
to
take
the
place
of
what
that
originally
was,
or
are
we
just
not
kind
of?
Are
we
not
even
doing
the
prerequisite
education
program
anymore?
K
However,
unfortunately,
whenever
we
requested
that
they
participate,
they
never
really.
You
know,
submitted
their
paperwork
to.
You
know
say
that
they
were
going
to
complete
the
program.
So
at
this
point
it's
probably
better
just
to
delete
this,
since
we
know
that
you
know
the
residents,
especially
with
with
the
time
being
short,
is
what
it
is
for
for
their
schedules.
K
D
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
I
just
one
question
just
on
the
logistics
of
it.
I
know
mr
michigan,
you
had
mentioned
kind
of
the
process
on.
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
in
my
head
here
we're
analyzing
the
resolution,
as
it
is
plus
the
red
lines
to
provide
feedback,
not
necessarily
to
detail
exact
language
so
that
you're
able
to
go
back
with
the
team
and
craft
a
revised
resolution
that
eventually
we
would.
K
Yes,
yes,
that's
correct,
yeah,
we're
not
looking
for
exact
language.
If
you
have
any
recommendations
tonight,
we're
we're
giving
you
this.
The
red
line
show
you
the
general
direction
that
we're
looking
at
taking
this,
so
that
when
we
bring
this
back
in
a
more,
what
we
feel
is
a
more
complete
draft
form.
You
know,
you'll
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
maybe
at
that
point,
if
you
have
any
wording
modifications,
that's
when
we'll
make
those
changes.
Okay,.
G
I
Oh
okay!
Well,
so,
if
any,
if,
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
I
mean
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
ask
my
questions
which,
as
as
commissioner
ferris
pointed
out
the
controversy
at
the
last
hearing
in
which
we
were
looking
at
this
resolution-
and
I
mean
in
my
estimation
was
there-
was
language
in
this
resolution
that
talked
about
warrants
required.
I
Are
the
warrants
that
apply
to
speed
humps
are
those
still
applicable
to
speed
cushions?
In
other
words,
in
order
to
install
speed
cushions,
do
you
have
to
first
meet
the
warrants
for
a
speed,
hump
and
then
exercise?
You
know
the
the
the
the
exercise
of
discretion
only
comes
after
the
warrants
have
been
all
been
established.
K
Yes,
that's
correct,
I
mean
we,
the
the
person
or
neighborhood
or
residents
that
go
through
this
process
when
they
they
do
have
to
meet
the
speed
hump
policy.
That's
basically
this,
for
you
know
eight,
I
believe,
there's
eight
items.
All
eight
items
have
to
be
satisfied
in
order
to
qualify
for
speed,
humps,
actually
there's
nine
and
then
at
that
point
we'll.
The
staff
will
then
have
the
discretion
to
determine
what
is
the
most
appropriate
calming
device,
whether
it's
speed,
speed,
humps
or
speed
cushions.
K
I
Okay,
so
so,
if
if
residents
come
forward
with
the
petition
and
they're
asking
for
the
installation
of
speed
humps
on
their
street,
the
initial
analysis
is
well.
Does
the
street
meet
the
warrants
for
for
speed,
hump
installation,
and
if
it
does,
then
there
is
discretion
that
can
be
exercised
by
the
city
to
either
install
speed,
humps
or
speed
cushions.
But
if
the
warrants
are
not
met,
then
neither
speed
humps
nor
speed
cushions
may
be
installed.
K
Well,
they
won't
be
recommended
by
staff
for
approval.
However,
the
commission
and
city
council,
you
know
they.
May
this
traffic
commission
may
make
a
recommendation
that,
although
the
requirements
for
speed
humps
are
not
met,
you
can
forward
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
so
that
they
consider
the
insulation
you
may
override
this.
You
know
staff's
recommendation
not
to
install
for
a
particular
street.
I
B
G
This
is
done
right
now
that
we're
the
the
thought
is
to
revise
the
resolution
to
be
really
tailored
toward
when,
when
resident,
when
the
public
can
request,
speed
calming
devices
for
their
streets.
Is
that
because,
before
it
was
city
council
could
do
it?
But
now
we're
kind
of
striking
that
out
and
really
focusing
on
the
the
petitions
is,
that
is
that
correct.
K
That
that
is
correct,
because,
basically,
all
all
the
requests
that
we've
received
or
brought
to
the
commission
are
the
ones
that
where
the
residents
have
come
out-
and
you
know,
circulated
petition
and
you
know,
did
the
leg
work
to
you
know
bring
it
to
the
city
that
they're
looking
for
speed,
humps
or
you
know,
speed
cushions.
Those
are
the
only
devices
that
we
would
consider,
not
roundabouts
or
any
other
type
of
traffic
calming
devices.
G
And
with
the
revision
in
the
language
and
kind
of
like
specifying
clearly
there's
a
speed,
hump
and
there's
a
speed,
cushion
the
discretion
as
to
whether
a
hump
or
a
cushion
is
really
the
best
device.
Staff
can
provide
that
or
the
commission
can
provide
that
understanding.
But
the
requirements
about
whether
staff
would
recommend
that
are
going
to
be
the
same
regardless
of
the
whether
they're,
humps
or
cushions.
Is
that
right.
G
For
some
for
the
criteria
about
eligibility-
and
if
I
think
I
remember
if
I
read
this
right-
and
I
think,
as
as
you
mentioned
in
this
hearing-
there's
a
specific
set
of
criteria
which
would
enable
one
to
qualify
such
that
if
they
met
all
of
them,
then
only
then
could
staff
recommend
to
the
commission
the
installation
of
a
speed
hub
if,
if
any
one
of
them
were
not
met
under
the
resolution,
staff
would
not
be
able
to
recommend.
It
is
that
is
that
the
case
currently
in
kind
of
what
we're
thinking
about.
A
G
G
G
K
K
Item
number,
seven
and
number
eight
might
be
unknowns
as
well.
You
know
whether
or
not
we
can
control
the
approach
speed
at
the
very
first
insulation
of
a
speed
hump
that
just
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
for
us
to
think
about
and
consider
and
then
the
emergency
response
issue.
That's
something
we'd
have
to
discuss
with
the
fire
department
police
department,
something
like
that.
That's
also
usually
an
unknown.
G
They
just
know
they're
going
to
be
opening
up
a
meeting
where
you
can't
their
staff
can't
possibly
recommend
it
and
that
they're
bucking
a
trend
that
doesn't
mean
then
that
the
traffic
commission
can't
recommend
it
or
the
city
council
can't
ultimately
approve
it.
That's
if
that's
my
understanding,
but
at
least
the
residents
would
know
that
beforehand.
Is
that
a
is
that
an
appropriate
understanding
of
of
kind
of
what
the
criteria
are
or
how
they
can
benefit
the
residents.
G
H
G
H
G
G
In
one
case,
I
thought
was
actually
quite
close
to
an
intersection
in
which
there
could
very
well
be
a
slowing
of
speed,
which
would
kind
of
give
an
indication
that
you
know,
maybe
by
the
nature
of
where
the
things
were
being
monitored.
75
percent
of
the
speeds
might
not
exceed
25
percent
if
somewhere
else
were
there.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
the
best
way
to
to
reword
that
in
a
way
to
ensure
that
is
representative
of
where
we
think
the
the
the
speed
concerns
are.
G
G
G
G
Is
it
important
that
we
define
it
in
some
way,
so
that
so
that
the
people
understand
what
what
that
is,
or
is
this
kind
of
a
because
there's
no
longer
a
a
conditional
criteria
of
when
it's
a
speed
hump
and
in
those
cases
it
could
be
as
well
speed,
lump
or
cushion
or
something
it's
just
it
either
is
or
isn't,
and
staff
has
a
discretion
as
to
which
which
of
the
type
is.
That
is
that
as
important.
K
G
G
G
An
evaluation
beforehand,
as
well
as
like
during
the
traffic
evaluation,
to
determine
staff's
position
about
that.
If
there's
a
if
they
meet
the
threshold
of
the
75,
we
the
commission,
gets
a
report.
The
commission
provides
its
recommendation
which
may
be
counter
to
the
staff
report.
Either
there
is
a
favoring
of
it.
The
commission
denies
it
or
that
there
is
no
recommendation
for
it,
but
the
commission
supports
it.
G
G
I
Commissioners
have
any
other
questions
for
staff,
okay,
seeing
none.
I
have
one
final
question
which
is
in
the
resolution
when
you
look
at
the
second
warrant,
which
is
the
traffic
volume
and
the
warrant
really
says,
the
average
traffic
volume
must
exceed
2
000
vehicles
per
day,
but
we're
going
to
give
you
a
break
and
maybe
reduce
that
number
to
1500
vehicles
per
day.
I
If
you
can
show
any
of
these
other
any
of
these
other
criteria
are
met,
and
I
know
the
staff
has
already
indicated
that
it
intends
to
cure
some
of
the
ambiguity,
or
maybe
some
of
the
lack
of
clarity
in
this
language.
But
my
question
was:
is
that
1500
vehicles
per
day
number?
Is
that
something
that
you
know
there
there's
like
a
a
basis?
I
For
I
mean
what
why
why
couldn't
the
number
be
something
like
1250
or
1300,
or
you
know
some
lesser
number,
because
this
this
warrant
right
here,
I
think
the
criteria
under
this
warrant,
I
think,
are,
are
really
important.
I
mean,
I
think
some
of
these
things
can
really
factor
into
a
decision
to
install
speed.
Humps
I
mean
specifically
the
one
about
you
know:
schools
adjacent,
you
know,
maybe
are
there
parks
a
j?
You
know
a
park
located
on
the
street
blind
curves.
I
I
mean,
I
think
some
of
this
stuff's
really
important,
and
I
you
know,
commented
on
that
at
the
last
hearing,
and
so
you
know
if
we
were
if
the
city
was
to
reduce
the
1500
vehicles
per
day,
to
maybe
you
know,
1250
or
something
I
mean
it
seems
like,
then
these
criteria
would
have
an
opportunity
to
get
factored
into
the
equation
more
commonly
or
maybe
more
often
than
they
otherwise
would
so.
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
city
had
considered
if
the
staff
had
considered,
maybe
reducing
that
that
1500
vehicle
per
day
number.
K
Well,
I
think
we
would.
I
mean
at
this
point
we're
taking
input,
so
if
you
think
that
that's
something
that
should
be
looked
at
or
maybe
at
the
next
meeting,
commissioners
may
want
to
look
at
that
number
more
carefully
and
may
you
know
maybe
make
a
suggestion
as
to
you
had
mentioned
1250
instead
of
1500,
that
that
section
of
the
policy
was
brought
up.
You
know
years
and
years
ago
the
city
council
gave
us
general
direction
to
give
some.
K
K
B
B
I
am
completely
in
favor
of
adjusting
that
number,
but
I
think
there
has
to
be
some
rationale
to
adjusting
that
number.
So,
for
example,
if
you
start
off
with
the
baseline
of
1500,
if
every
other
condition
is
met-
and
that
is
the
only
condition
that
makes
it
impossible
to
move
ahead,
then
it
should
be
other
factors
that
are
considered
but
to
just
arbitrarily
lower
it
to
another
number
and
keep
in
mind,
though
you're
hearing
an
opinion
from
somebody
who
is
very
much
in
favor
of
speed
humps.
B
Then,
with
the
input
of
staff,
the
police,
other
situations,
then
it
keep
the
the
commission
can
make
a
recommendation
to
council
to
adjust
that
limit
to
whatever
number
it
is
for
any
condition
that
for
any
situation
at
the
time,
that
would
be
the
only
suggestion
that
I
would
make.
I
just
don't
think
we
can
our
there's.
No
there's
no
rationale
to
arbitrarily
say
you
know
if
we
say
well,
1250
is
big
number.
Well,
I
think
750
is
a
good
number,
so
I
think
maybe
what
we
do
instead
is
say.
B
If
now,
if
you've
got
three
or
four
other
things
conditions
that
are
not
met,
then
it
really
doesn't
make
a
difference.
What
the
number
is,
because
it's
not
gonna,
it's
not
gonna.
It's
not
gonna
carry
a
staff
recommendation,
it's
not
likely
to
carry
a
recommendation
of
counsel,
and
even
if
it
did
council's
experience
is
not
going
to
let
that
many
things
be
missed
and
and
waive
it.
So
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
rationale
to
that
number.
I
just
don't
think
you
can
limit
it,
because
that
number
is
an
uncomfortable
number.
G
It
is
along
these
lines.
Is
it
worthwhile
to
provide
some
feedback
back
to
staff?
To
say,
can
you
in
looking
at
some
of
these
numbers,
the
the
vehicle
trip
counts
and
those
sorts
of
things
to
just
help
like
revise,
take
a
look
at
it
again
and
provide
additional
rationale
so
that
when
we
get
back
the
exact
wording
we
at
least
have
that
basis
of
understanding.
K
K
I
think
we're
at
a
point
now,
where
most
of
the
streets
are,
you
know
the
2000
and
above
streets
have
been
approved
and
installed
for
speed
humps.
Maybe
we
reached
that
point
where
you
know
do
we
want
to
relax
it
further,
but
the
danger
with
that
is,
you
know,
you're
going
to
start,
including
more
streets
that
would
qualify
and
that
creates
a
problem
for
the
fire
emergency
service
vehicles.
So
if
you
set
that
number
too
low
you
know,
there's
could
be
some
unintended
consequences.
I
If
there
is
no
further
discussion-
and
this
is
not
an
action
item-
it's
only
an
information
item-
there's
no
vote
required.
So
I
believe
our
directive
is
to
therefore
provide
feedback
to
staff
and
with
regard
to
any
changes
to
attachment
one,
which
is
the
resolution
that
we've
been
discussing
beyond
what
has
already
shown
in
red.
G
D
Just
quickly,
mr
chair,
I
do
appreciate,
commissioner,
both
commissioner
lemos
and
commissioner
ferris
is,
I
generally
support.
I
mean
support
and
like
the
idea
of
exploring
at
least
what
that
number
threshold
is,
I
mean
I'll,
leave
it
to
you
to
find
the
find
the
best
way
and
the
best
path
forward,
but
I
just
I
I
appreciate
the
conversation
from
both
my
fellow
commissioners
and
would
like
to
you
know,
support
that
idea.
You
know
in
in
considering
revisions
and
coming
back
to
the
to
the
body
here.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Vice
chair
fletcher,
I
I
would
echo
those
same
sentiments
so
just
my
my
own
feedback
is
that,
with
with
regard
to
some
of
the
numbers
and
some
of
the
thresholds
that
we
see
in
the
resolution,
such
as
you
know,
more
than
75
of
the
surveyed
motors
exceed
a
speed
of
25
miles
per
hour.
You
know
the
the
2000
vehicle
per
day
warrant
with
respect
to
some
of
those
crucial
factors.
I
Numerically,
if
when
this
comes
back,
we
can
just
have
a
discussion
about
the
basis
and
the
rationale
for
those
numbers.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
the
commission
to
better
evaluate
the
utility
of
the
resolution
and
whether
it's
as
a
as
a
go
forward
resolution.
It's
going
to
number
one
help
the
city
and
the
residents
of
this
city
and
then
number
two
assist
in
its
application
in
the
future.
So
that's
all,
I
would
say
any
other
comments
from
our
feedback
from
any
of
the
other
commissioners.
I
K
K
K
A
K
Photo
shows
one
of
the
three
new
mark
crosswalks
with
splitter
islands,
and
curve
extensions
that
narrow
the
walking
distance
for
pedestrians
to
cross.
This
image
shows
the
one
located
at
the
east
leg
of
the
intersection
pedestrians
cross
in
advance
of
the
roundabout
I'll
briefly
cover
the
history
of
this
mini
roundabout.
K
This
was
during
their
public
outreach
efforts
when
seeking
city
approval
of
their
proposed
assisted
living
facility.
The
primary
concerns
voiced
to
them
was
speeding
activity
along
duesenberg
drive
and
the
neighborhood's
desire
for
always
stop
control
at
this
at
the
intersection
of
duesenberg
and
clearwater.
K
As
a
result,
they
proposed
the
construction
of
a
mini
roundabout,
which
would
address
both
of
these
concerns.
In
february
of
2018,
the
mini
roundabout
proposal
was
considered
by
the
traffic
commission
and
after
hearing
the
public
testimony
and
considering
staff
report,
the
commission
unanimously
recommended
that
the
city
council
recommend
the
installation.
K
After
initial
observations
of
the
roundabout
operation
indicated
that
some
drivers
were
driving
through
the
intersection
incorrectly,
additional
enhancements
were
implemented
in
november
of
2020,
and
this
reflects
the
field
conditions
shown
in
the
pictures
presented
earlier
prior
to
the
installation
of
the
mini
roundabout.
We
were
aware
of
the
benefits
and
disadvantages
to
be
anticipated,
which
are
summarized
on
this
table.
K
I
mentioned
earlier
that
there
have
been
there's
been
a
speed
reduction
on
gooseberry
drive
as
a
result
of
the
roundabout.
The
prevailing
speed
has
been
reduced
from
36
to
32
miles
an
hour
between
hillcrest
drive
to
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
This
finding
clearly
addresses
one
of
the
key
concerns
voiced
by
the
residents
prior
to
the
installation,
as
the
drivers
approach
the
roundabout.
They
should
reduce
their
speed
down
to
15
miles
an
hour
to
navigate
safely
inside
the
roundabout.
K
K
K
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
there
have
been
no
reported
collisions
at
this
intersection
since
the
completion
of
the
project,
so
our
plan
moving
forward
is
to
continue
to
receive
public
input
actively
monitor
field
operations,
keep
an
eye
on
any
collisions
should
they
occur
and
determine
the
primary
contributing
factors,
alert
the
police
department
of
any
enforcement
requests
and,
if
needed,
we
are
prepared
to
make
adjustments
to
the
roundabout,
should
they
become
so
with
that.
This
concludes
the
presentation
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
I
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll.
Just
say
it
was
it's.
It's
an
interest,
it's
interesting
to
see
the
roundabout
and
it's
nice
to
see
that
it
is
working
and
achieve
the
goals
so
given
that
is,
is
this
something
that
we
would
consider
for
something
else
in
the
future?
Like
is
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
the
internal
discussion
is
as
to?
Is
it
something
that
we
would
want
to
do
again.
E
E
I
gotta
figure
this
thing
out
if
I
don't
wanna
off
so
that
that
does
help-
and
I
know
that
in
santa
barbara
they're
doing
the
major
freeway
project
from
carpinteria
santa
barbara
and
as
part
of
that
they're
they're,
putting
in
three
or
four
of
them,
so
that
information
is
there
in
terms
of
locally
here
we
do
study
them.
We
are
we.
We
just
awarded
the
construction
contract
for
the
lawrence
drive
and
tele
road
intersection.
E
The
roundabout
was
contemplated
there
and
studied
and
we
did
a
preliminary
design
and
we
did
some
design
comparisons,
ultimately,
that
and
that
location
due
to
the
larger
vehicles
and
commercial
activity
out
there,
combined
with
the
cost
of
the
incremental
cost
increase,
which
is
an
extra
one
or
two
million
dollars,
and
a
few
other
few
other
drawbacks.
With
the
roundabout
at
that
particular
location,
we
decided
not
to
proceed
with
it.
E
There
and
roundabout
was
also
in
the
mix
or
contemplated
for
the
rancho
road
project
which
we're
almost
completing
now,
just
waiting
on
a
caltrans
cabinet
or
two,
the
rancho
road
and
one-on-one
freeway
upgrades
and
bikes
and
sidewalk
for
the
southbound
off-ramp,
which
is
just
the
t
intersection.
Their
roundabout
was
also
contemplated
there.
In
fact,
caltrans
makes
you
go
through
that
process.
E
E
So
that
would
be
the
remarks
it
looks
like
it's.
It's
a
pretty
good
solution
when
you're
doing
a
new
intersection
or
a
new
location
or
a
new
roadway,
squeezing
it
into
an
existing
one.
It
has
its
challenges
in
terms
of
geometrics
and
cost,
but
still
is
being
evaluated
I'll.
Let
jim
offer
any
additional
comments.
You
might
have.
K
We
addressed
that
with
additional
signs
and
markings
and
in
some
ways
you
know
this.
This
location
probably
has
a
little
bit
too
much
more
markings
and
signs
than
we
originally
anticipated.
So
you
know,
that's
that's
one
of
the
you
know,
issues
that
we're
going
to
have
to
consider
in
the
future
is
that
you
know
we
want
to
try
to
keep
things
simplified
as
much
as
possible,
but
in
the
end
you
know
you
know
we
got
the
results
that
we
needed
we're
looking
for.
There
are
some.
K
You
know
trade-offs
that
you
know
we
have
to
consider.
You
know
we
did
get
the
reduced
speeds
that
we're
hoping
for
and
vehicles
exiting
clear
water.
You
know
they're
able
to
get
it
out,
and
you
know
you
know
it
comes
down
to
people
have
to
be
patient
when
they
want
to
get
through
that
intersection,
especially
during
the
busy
times.
B
B
If
you
go
to
europe,
the
aesthetics
of
their
roundabouts
are
about
the
same
as
the
aesthetics
of
our
stop
signs.
The
roundabouts
are
small,
there's
very
simple
metal
signage
and
every
intersection
is
loaded
with
four
to
six
to
ten
different
arrows,
telling
you
how
many
miles
or
kilometers
to
the
next
various
towns.
So
I
think
ours
are-
are
dramatically
different
than
the
traditional
european
roundabouts.
D
I
have
just
a
just
a
quick
comment,
mr
chair.
I
just
really
appreciate
staff's
willingness
to
continue
to
listen
to
comments
and
feedback
about
the
about
the
the
roundabout
here.
I
know
it's
been
a
it's
been
an
adjustment.
I
remember
when
we
heard
this
and
at
the
planning
commission
level,
a
large
part
of
our
discussion
was
about
the
roundabouts,
so
I
I
I'm
always
appreciative
to
hear
that
staffs
continuously
receiving
feedback
interacting
looking
into
the
issues
and
seeing
if
any
changes
are
needed.
I
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L
L
L
L
Loop
detection
is
a
wire
installed
in
the
pavement
that
creates
a
magnetic
field
when
charged
up
when
vehicles
drive
over
the
loop.
The
metal
in
the
car
disrupts
the
magnetic
field
and
tells
the
signal
that
somebody
is
waiting.
I
wanted
to
show
you
guys
an
example
of
loop
detection
because
I'm
sure
you've
seen
them
on
the
road.
L
This
is
a
picture
of
the
intersection
of
orchard
road
and
reno
road
facing
southbound.
This
picture
is
from
2011
and
at
that
time
the
signal
was
running
on
loop
detection.
So
the
circles
that
you
see
down
here
in
the
pavement
are
the
loop
detection
for
the
signal.
So
I
want
to
point
out
the
location
of
the
detection,
loops
notice,
they're
behind
the
limit
line
and
not
in
the
crosswalk.
L
L
In
many
instances
the
bicyclist
will
go
push
the
ped
button,
which
defeats
the
whole
purpose
of
having
detection
another
con
with
loop
detection
is
the
cost
versus
camera
detection
one
loop
to
be
installed,
one
of
these
little
loops
costs
about
a
thousand
dollars.
So,
let's
put
that
into
perspective,
each
lane
requires
two
loops
with
four
in
the
turn
pocket
and
two
in
advance
of
the
intersection
for
a
total
of
ten
loops.
L
L
L
L
L
We
do
get
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
residents
asking
for
camera
footage
because
they
got
into
a
collision
or
received
a
red
light
ticket.
The
cameras
do
not
record
and
can
only
detect
cars.
Again.
It's
really
important
to
notice
where
the
detection
box
is
the
camera
detection
box
is
behind
the
limit
line
and
inside
the
lane.
So,
if
you're
waiting
up
here
in
front
of
the
cro
in
front
of
the
crosswalk
or
you're
way
back
behind
the
limit
line,
you
will
not
be
detected.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
So
let's
say
that
arbolous
has
a
green
light
and
has
not
reached
its
maximum
cycle
time.
You're
approaching
the
intersection
back
here
that
little
car
that's
back
there
and
you
get
detected
by
detector,
14
little
green
box.
The
signal
will
hold
for
an
additional
three
seconds,
so
you
can
clear
the
intersection
before
the
light
changes
to
red
a
couple
things
I
want
to
mention
before
we
move
on
an
intersection
can
have
both
loop
detection,
loop
and
camera
detection.
L
Each
leg
of
the
intersection
only
needs
one
type
of
detection
and
as
loops
age
and
begin
to
fail.
We
replace
them
with
cameras,
so
there
are
intersections
that
have
both
present.
I
would
like
to
give
you
an
idea
of
that
breakdown.
Citywide
right
now,
out
of
135
total
intersections
112
have
camera
detection,
16
have
loop
detection
and
seven
have
both.
L
L
There
are
three
types
of
communications
that
we
currently
use:
copper,
fiber,
copper,
wire,
fiber,
optic,
cable
and
wireless
communications.
Out
of
135
intersections.
We
have
communications
to
92.
That
means
43.
Intersect,
intersections,
still
need
it,
and
just
you
have
an
idea.
These
intersections
are
primarily
located
south
of
the
101
freeway.
L
L
L
L
L
So
these
purple,
the
purple
triangles
right
here-
are
the
12
that
I'm
talking
about
located
in
newbury
park
that
we're
going
to
add.
We
can
add
communications
via
rasnow
peak
by
next
summer.
We
should
have
those
additional
signals
online
from
the
traffic
operation
center,
so
slowly,
but
surely
we'll
be
working
to
install
communications
to
all
135
signals.
L
E
Thank
you
bradley.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
remark
as
prior
to
the
questions
that
you
know.
A
lot
of
cities
have
a
invest,
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
this,
and
we
we
really
try
to
keep
up
with
it
as
best
we
can
and
yet
do
it
at
a
you
know.
Economical
level
and
bradley
is
a
key
component
along
with
robert
sweeting
and
our
senior
trafficking
here,
jim
meshico,
to
really
keep
proper,
upkeep
and
oversight
on
these.
B
Share
email,
I
have
a
question
yeah.
I
actually
have
a
question
and
comment.
I
want
to
start
off
with
a
comment
and
a
request
that
I
would
say
I
receive
somewhere
between
two
and
four
phone
calls
every
single
week,
except
for
during
the
holidays,
from
residents
who
I
either
know
or
are
old
friends
of
mine
and
as
they
age
their
complaints
are
always
the
same.
I
sat
at
a
light
for
10
minutes
the
other
day.
B
Why
doesn't
the
traffic
commission
do
something
about
it
and
so
what
I
would
love
to
have
happen,
because
I
thought
your
presentation
was
perfect,
for
that
would
be
to
take
an
isolated
part
of
your
presentation
and
just
run
it
in
a
loop
on
on
the
public
tv
channel.
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
for
these
people
who
have
so
much
time
on
their
hands
because
they're
rushing
to
get
through
those
lights
to
be
exposed
to
that.
B
B
L
I
don't
know
about
any
specifics
to
that
intersection,
but
I
mean
it
could
have
been.
It
could
be
false
detection
like
we're
talking
with
the
shadows,
it
could
be
pedestrian.
I
mean
I,
I
observe
this
all
the
time,
pedestrians
or
bicyclists.
They
go
up
to
the
intersection.
They
hit
them
both
and
they'll
cross.
Wherever
goes
first
and
then
people
are
sitting
at
a
light
going.
Why
am
I
sitting
at
this
light?
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L
B
L
B
Will
tell
you
that
I
will
tell
you
that
I
would
have
to
be
honest
and
say
that,
after
paying
closer
attention
to
your
presentation,
the
answer
to
your
question
is
yes.
I
have
from
time
to
time,
but
because
of
your
presentation,
I
will
go
out
of
my
way
not
to
make
that
error
again
or
to
be
more
cognizant
of
it,
because
that's
not
terrible
to
be.
L
B
You're
absolutely
right-
and
I
appreciate
that
and
that's
why
I
think
it
would
be
really
kind
of
interesting
for
people
to
see
this
on
on
public
assets.
I
think
it
was
really
well
done,
and
so
I
I
I
appreciate
that
and
yeah.
I
think
if
we
were
being
honest,
I'm
I'm
not
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
all
the
time,
but
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it.
E
B
K
Commissioner,
I'd
like
to
add
one
thing:
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
yeah
in
terms
of
like
if
there
is
something
wrong
with
a
signal
you
you
feel
like
it's
not
cycling
forward.
We
do
have
a
preventive
maintenance
program
where
our
intersections
are
all
checked
once
every
once
every
three
months.
So
in
between
times,
you
know
from
time
to
time
you
know
parts
may
fail.
Components
may
fail.
F
L
The
cycle
length
is
different
at
every
intersection,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example.
Let's
talk
about
olson
at
herb's
road,
where
you
want
to
you:
can
you
go
into
one
of
the
turn
pockets
to
turn
from
olsen
to
lit
the
to
herbs
and
the
light
screen,
but
you
have
a
red
arrow.
The
gap
that
gap
out
time
is
about
five
seconds.
So
if
you're
sitting
on
that
sensor
for
five
seconds
and
no
one
else
is
coming
the
other
direction,
that'll
give
you
the
green
to
give
you
the
arrow
to
go.
Does
that
make
sense.
F
E
L
F
G
I
All
right
I'll,
just
ask
my
own
question
here
for
a
second
again
great
presentation.
I
think
it
was
clear
I
think
it
was
concise
and,
as
commissioner
obama
said,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
in
the
city
would
really
benefit
from
from
hearing
that
presentation.
I
think
there
is
somewhat
of
a
I
guess,
a
misconception
about
whether
those
cameras
posted
on
the
traffic
signals
do
record
right.
I
I
mean
people,
see
cameras
nowadays
and
they
think
of
no
other
purpose
for
a
camera
than
it's
recording
me
or
it's
recording
something
so
just
for
clarification's
sake,
though,
if,
if
you're
getting
a
feed
from
the
camera
back
at
the
traffic
control
center,
you
can
record
that
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
a
device
that
you
could
hook
up
to
that
feed
and
record
it.
But
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
that
is
simply
not
done.
Is
that
right.
L
I
And
so
those
screenshots
that
you
showed
us
when
you
were
giving
your
presentation,
those
were
just
real-time
screenshots
that
you
were
probably
taking
for
the
purpose
of
this
presentation
and
not
something:
that's
archived
in
some
city
file,
cabinet
somewhere,
right,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
Okay,
all
right
any
other
questions
from
any
of
the
commissioners.
D
D
The
only
other
call
or
questions
I
get
from
residents
from
time
to
time
is
the
idea
of
the
traffic
signal
synchronization
and
them
just
you
know,
and
it's
typically
like
on
a
thousand
oaks
boulevard
on
a
you
know
at
rush
hour,
they're
they're
saying:
well
it
you
know,
I
I
thought
all
these
signals
were
synced.
I
thought
this.
I
thought
this.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
very
general
question.
L
Yeah,
so
this
isn't
the
san
fernando
valley,
this
isn't
we.
We
really
only
have
a
few
arterial
roads
that
are
going
into
synchronization
during
rush
hour
to
get
you,
you
have
more
park
road,
you
have
lynn
thousand
oaks
boulevard
hillcrest,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
mostly
running
on
free,
which
means
we're
relying
on
the
detection.
We're
relying
on
you
to
get
there
and
be
detected
by
the
signal
like
more
of
a
first
come
first
serve
basis.
E
And
part
of
that
rationale
is
that
we
don't
have
a
grid
system
in
thousand
oaks.
Where
it's
you
know
you,
you
can
have
some
predictable
pattern
with
the
curvilinear
streets
and
the
non-standard
layout
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
lend
itself
to
having
a
simplified.
You
know
synchronization
pattern
that
that
you
know,
carries
traffic
and
that
type
of
fashion,
so.
L
Absolutely
when
we're
out
there
doing
traffic
counts
just
to
see
we're
talking
like
if
we're
talking
turn
pockets
like
a
good
one,
would
be
more
park
road
at
arbales,
the
southbound
left.
If
we
sit
there
for
an
hour
in
the
morning
and
do
counts,
sometimes
you
have
a
stack
of
two
cars
in
the
turn
pocket
and
the
next
cycle.
You
have
12.
L
D
Well,
I,
and
and
again
I
appreciate
it,
it's
just
one
of
those
issues.
That's
come
up
and
it's
it's
from
people.
I
do
know
that
you
know
go
to
the
valley
to
go
to
work
or
go.
You
know
they
work
in
woodland,
hills,
calabasas,
studio
city,
so
they
do
mention
that
from
time
to
time.
So
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
you
indulging
my
question.
M
Another
huge
factor
is
the
pedestrian
time.
So
imagine
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
get
across
like
west
side
contio
as
it
might
down
at
duesenberg.
That
is
a
smaller
street.
So,
in
order
to
get
the
people
across
the
street
there's
a
there's
kind
of
a
formula
if
you
will
on
how
to
get
from
one
intersection
to
another.
So
we
have
short
segments
of
maybe
five
to
six
more
park
road
between
t.o.b
and
wilbur.
Then
we
don't
do
anything.
M
We
kind
of
skip
gainesboro
and
we
pick
back
up
at
canelo
valley,
plaza,
jans,
all
the
way
through
columbia,
and
then
we
kind
of
pick
up
again
same
thing
on
lynn,
road
because
they're
not
all
equal,
and
so
they
all
have
different
patterns
from
90
second
cycle
lengths
to
150
seconds
depending
on
morning
afternoon
and
evening.
So
there
is
a
big
variety
of
time
that
goes
into
it.
M
Yeah
they're
all
pre-programmed
exactly
for
different
times
of
the
day
and
we're
actually
looking
at
getting
some
new
software
that
will
actually
do
counts
on
the
fly
and
automatically
change
it.
Let's
say
from
120
second
cycle
length
to
maybe
90
to
140
and
back
down
to
120.,
so
we're
actually
looking
at
getting
new
software
to
even
do
that.
Yeah.
A
M
But
that
comes
back
to
these
cameras
that
bradley
gave
you
that
report
on,
and
it
all
comes
back
to
all
the
detection
that
these
cameras
can
do
taking
counts
and
speeds
and
all
kinds
of
other
variables
that
would
go
into
that
timing.
So
it
is
an
interesting,
an
interesting,
not
dilemma.
It's
a
set
of
factors
that
go
into
all
the
traffic
signal.
Timing.
I
I
K
K
I
I
K
Yeah
just
information
we
normally
place
on.
If
there's
a
previous
item
that
the
commission
considered,
we
like
to
just
you
know,
write
it
down
so
that
you're
aware
of
what
happened
to
that
particular
item.
At
the
last
meeting
in
october
there
was
an
item
for
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
at
live
oak
and
oakview.
K
There's
a
crosswalk,
that's
in
design
the
commission
looked
at
it
and
now,
at
this
point
it's
moved
to
final
design,
there's
a
consultant
that
the
city
had
hired
to
do
to
perform
the
final
design
and
then
that
project
will,
you
know,
advance
forward
and
be
presented
to
city
council
for
forbid
and
construction.
Hopefully
it's
going
to
take
a
while,
but
spring
of
2022
or
and
completed
by
summer
of
23.
I
D
Mr
chair,
I
just
want
to
briefly
say
welcome
to
our
the
new
assistant
city
attorney,
for
we
we
we
go
back
just
a
a
little
bit.
We
worked
together
previously
in
the
in
the
city
of
palmdale.
It's
good
to
see
noel
behind
the
behind
the
zoo
thousand
oaks
has
a
has
a
true
value.
Add
in
the
city
attorney's
office
by
hiring
him
so
welcome,
sir.
A
I
Excellent
welcome.
Okay,
I
believe
we
have
concluded
all
all
items
needed
to
be
addressed
on
the
agenda
and
I
think
we're
ready
to
adjourn
so.
The
next
meeting
of
the
traffic
and
transportation
commission
will
be
held
at
six
o'clock
p.m.
On
february,
16th
2022
in
the
board
room
of
the
civic
arts
plaza.