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A
B
You
first
item
on
the
agenda:
is
the
approval
of
the
August
fly
August
5th
2015
minutes
into
motion
in
a
second
motion
by
mr.
Albertson?
Second,
by
mrs.
Johnson,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda
is
applicant,
seeks
conditional
use
approval
and
currently
appeals
the
terms
of
the
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
for
the
rebuilding
of
an
existing
non-conforming
structure
in
the
c1
commercial
zone
at
209,
1st
Avenue
Southwest,
correct.
A
This
is
application.
Owner
is
Brian
Brian,
Brian,
Brian
brand
right
doing
businesses,
anyone
welding
incorporated
to
rebuild
the
existing
firm
structures
or
single-family
dwelling
located
in
the
c1
community
district
in
the
event
of
Kashuk,
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
21
to
403,
27
and
the
property
is
here.
A
This
is
the
C
1
section
is
adjacent
to
the
r2
section
here,
all
these
properties
across
here.
Well,
actually,
this
whole
side
of
the
block
is
still
all
residential
use,
except
for
the
parking
lot
for
2nd
Street
again
they're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
sell
this
to
a
party
in
the
banking
is
which
requiring
this
the
variance
to
go
through
so.
B
Thank
you
Ken.
This
is
an
area
across
the
street
as
our
2a,
which
is
an
hour
to
zone
that
we
modified
over
the
last
10
years
for
smaller
Lots
I
assume
the
reason
this
particular
block
wasn't
included
in
that
are
2a,
as
we
felt
that
there
was
some
issues
in
there.
Somebody
might
add
a
commercial
business,
something
like
that,
but
that
block
was
not
included
in
the
r2
a
rezoning
years
ago.
B
Mortgages
generally
have
a
problem
with
this
that
when
they
go
to
get
their
title
insurance
and
and
get
a
mortgage
on
it,
that
the
our
zoning
ordinance
says
if
it
burns
down
or
is
a
total
loss,
they
can't
rebuild
it
because
it's
a
residential
use
in
a
commercial
zone.
What
they're
asking
for
is
a
variance
so
that
if
in
fact
it
were
destroyed,
it
could
be
rebuilt
that
way,
it's
a
more
digital
property,
correct
right.
Alright,
anyone
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
this
for
against
I'll,
open
the
public
hearing.
A
B
C
D
A
B
B
We
could
look,
we
could
look
back
at
that.
It's
probably
been
six
or
seven
years
since
we
took
a
look
at
that.
We
can
look
at
that
part
of
town
again.
Any
other
discussion
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
any
old
business.
Seen
non
ask
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion
by
mr.
stone
burger
second
by
mr.
Dahle,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries.
B
E
F
B
G
B
E
B
E
As
you
guys
remember,
this
was
brought
forward
last
month
in
front
of
you
last
month.
It
was.
It
was
brought
forward
as
an
annexation
and
an
r3
zoning
designation.
At
that
meeting,
you
guys
voted
to
approve
the
annexation
but
denied
the
r3
zoning
designation.
So
this
month
they
came
back
and
reapplied
to
zone
this
property,
r2
single-family
attached
residential
district.
D
E
B
E
B
E
One
did
dedicate
7
feet
of
right
away,
and
they
did
that
because
14th
Avenue
is
a
collector
route
and
if
so,
since
14th
is
still
a
collector
route
when
that
plant
comes
forward,
I
would
assume
that
are
dedicating
right
away
and
anything
that
dedicates
right
away.
Any
plat
that
dedicates
right
away
will.
B
Come
back
before
this
body,
one
more
time
to
approve
the
actual
plat,
and
that
would
be
a
lot
size
in
lot
directions
and
then
no
Ken
at
the
time
when
the
plat
comes
in
and
the
Lots
are
there,
they
only
the
only
issue.
I
have
one
of
the
issues:
I
have
is
ingress
and
egress
on
a
14th
Avenue,
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
heavy
collector
out
one
day
we
just
we
want
as
few
in
aggress
and
egress
spots
as
as
possible.
Is
that
come
before
you
and
the
when
you
issue
the
building
permit
er?
B
I
B
J
I
live
at
1348,
22nd
Street
northeast.
My
concern
here
is
that
it's
just
a
still
a
big
unknown.
We
were
the
the
are
three
over
on
the
other
side,
there
kind
of
slipped
in
without
any
existing
residents,
having
any
any
knowledge
of
it
because
of
because
of
the
city,
property
and
the
developers
property.
All
those
people
that
are
living
there
now
in
their
single-family
homes
were
unaware
that
that
was
coming
in.
So
they
slipped
that
one
and
we've
got
apartments
there
now
four-plex
those
six
plexes
they're
nice-looking
buildings.
J
Today
what
they
look
like
in
20
years,
I,
don't
know.
We
were
real
concerned
about
54
families
being
shoehorn
into
that
little
spot
there.
When
Costello
had
their
plan
and
we're
worried
that
now
1212
four-plex
is
going
there.
We
got
the
same
thing:
we've
got
48
families
going
in
there.
So
my
concern
is
that
that
with
no
plant
here,
yet
no
no
plan
as
to
what
they
want
to
do
with
that,
then
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
another
complex
of
big
buildings
and
several
additional
families
in
that
little
area
from.
B
What
we
generally
try
to
do
is
we'll
have
our
one,
which
is
single-family
zoning
and,
as
you
move
to
the
more
dense
areas,
say,
a
commercial
area
will
buffer
it
with
r2,
which
is
what
you
have
buffered
around
there
and
then
you'll
put
r3
a
little
higher
density
further
away
from
those
r1
dwellings,
exactly
like
what
you
see
right
there
and
closer
to
those
collector
streets.
So
for
from
our
standpoint,
we
still.
We
still
have
one
more
look
at
this
and
that's
at
the
time
of
planning.
B
That's
why
I
asked
for
their
for
an
explanation
of
how
the
planning
works.
What
happens
is
at
this
point?
We
either
say
yea
or
nay,
on
the
zoning
that
it
makes
sense
that
that
piece
of
ground
would
be
zoned
r2.
Is
that
consistent
with
what
we've
done
in
the
rest
of
town
and
and
can
we
can
we
stand
on
the
consistency
of
what
we've
done
in
the
precedence
of
what
we've
set
before
and
so
that's
what
we'll
do
today
as
well
look
and
say
it
makes
sense
that
that
would
be
r2
or
it
wouldn't.
B
Last
time
we
said,
doesn't
make
sense
for
our
three
right
there,
because
there
is
no
r2
buffer
between
the
r1
and
r2.
It's
consistently
done
in
urban
planning,
and
in
this
case
there
will
be
one
more
time.
Well,
we'll
approve
the
plat,
we'll
look
at
those
plots
as
to
how
they
lay
the
Lots
out
when
the
plots
come
in
we'll
make
sure
that
those
Lots
are
above
the
minimum
size
that
our
that
our
city
states
and
their
codes
as
to
how
big
of
a
lot
a
how
big
of
a
building
a
lot
can
carry.
B
Basically
in
that
zoning
and
then
we'll
also
take
a
look.
That's
why
I
had
a
question
on
ingress
and
egress
is.
How
is
this
going
to
be
laid
out,
we'll
be
able
to
see
how
the
Lots
are
laid
out
to
make
sure
that
that
they're
consistent
with
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
then
when
the
building
permit
that's
another
phase
that
comes
through,
can
can
we'll
look
at
the
building
permit
and
he'll
look
on
that
building
permit
to
make
sure
they've
abided
by
all
the
setbacks
and
the
density
inside
there.
B
So
for
us
we
can't
really,
at
the
time
of
Zoning,
say
developer.
You
need
to
show
us
what
the
buildings
are
going
to
look
like
how
many
they're
going
to
be
how
close
they're
going
to
be
together.
We
can't
really
do
that
at
the
zoning
stage.
We
can
only
zone
it
and
then,
when
we
come
into
the
plotting
stage,
we
have
one
more
set
of
of
checks
and
balances
and
then
at
the
building
permit
stage
we
have
one
more
set
of
checks
and
balances
to
make
sure
that
it
that
it
works
can.
B
Can
you
tell
us
the
biggest
problem?
I
think
that
people
have
up
here?
Is
they
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
goes
in
here
conforms
with
the
neighborhood?
We
say
that
all
the
time
and
the
plan
commission
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
see
a
lot
more
with
neighborhood
commercial
than
we
do
with
our,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
their
buildings
conform
with
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhood.
How
does
that
play
in
when
you
issue
a
building
permit?
Well.
A
B
Yep
that
has
to
come
back
before
us
one
more
time
and
I.
Would
we
can't
say
what
would
happen
if
something
came
like
that
before
us,
but
if
they
came
back
in
with
four
plexus
six
plexus
things
like
that,
we'd
look
and
go:
does
it
conform
with
a
neighborhood
and
that's
our
out?
That's
where
we
can
basically
say
whenever
we
turn
something
down.
We
can
put
the
city
at
a
liability
if
we
do
something
just
because
we
felt
like
it
and
it
wasn't
consistent
with
what
we've
done.
B
J
Know
we
I
think
most
of
the
neighbors
up.
There
agree
that
the
twin
homes
that
they're
building
nowadays
are
nice
and
they're,
mostly
owner-occupied,
rather
than
rental
properties
or
large
rental
properties.
I
guess
I'm,
not
against
somebody,
renting
their
house
or
their
duplex,
or
something
like
that.
But
what
I
am
concerned
about
is
that
it
agree.
M
B
Every
bit
as
much
sense
as
the
r2
that
was
originally
put
in
on
Cherry
Drive
over
there.
That's
a
density
issue
where
we
said
that
that
type
of
ground
that
twin
home
duplex
style
density
works
there
four-plex
wouldn't
work
there.
Otherwise
we
would
have
put
it
as
r3
and
it
probably
bodes
well
for
this
property
when
we
make
the
conscious
decision
that
that
should
be
our
I.
Don't
remember,
I,
don't
remember
a
conditional
use
in
the
12
or
13
years.
B
B
E
The
way
I
came
up
with
six
Lots
as
I
looked
at
this
particular
piece
of
property
and
I.
Looked
at
the
parameters
of
our
our
two
district
and
I
found
that
the
limited
need
parameter
would
be
the
watt
width.
Our
two
requires
eighty
five
feet
of
lot
width
and
this
property
is
approximately
600
feet
long,
so
that
could
be
divided
into
six
legal
size
Lots.
So
that's
how
it
that's
how
we
came
up
with
six
six.
E
Sex
love,
yes,
they
will
be
deep
and
it
will
have
a
large
square
footage
because
of
that,
but
they
have
to
have
85
feet
of
width.
So
you
know
because
of
that
you
know
they.
They
can
only
be
divided
into
six
without
coming
before
you,
with
a
preliminary
plan
to
put
in
some
sort
of
cul-de-sac
or
something
so.
E
B
B
B
Are
going
to
change
that
the
way
our
ordinance
reads
right
now
is
adjacent
landowners.
I
have
been
contacted
by
some
council
members.
That
said
guys,
we
need
to
just
something
that
was
overlooked.
It
wasn't
anything
anyone
tried
to
slip
by,
but
we
are
gonna
change,
our
ordinance
that
if
the
adjacent
property
is
city
owned
or
municipality
or
school
owned,
it's
going
to
leapfrog
that
onto
the
neighborhood
path.
E
H
B
Is
this
area
we've
learned
a
lot
from
this
area
appear
I
know:
we've
taught
we
talked
today
in
the
future.
The
way
drainage
works
up
there
we're
going
to
try
to
change
some
things.
The
way
the
city
does
it
to
buy
these
drainage
ways.
I
know
from
the
Park
and
Rec
board,
they've
they've
looked
and
said,
we'd
like
to
identify
areas
of
where
we
want
Park
and
recs,
though
the
parks
in
all
adjacent
quarter,
sections
we'd
like
to
go
as
far
as
maybe
the
city
actually
purchases
that
ground
long
before
these
developments
happen.
B
J
N
N
But,
as
I
said
here
today,
I'm
a
little
bit
leery
about
the
about
the
Planning
Commission,
giving
a
recommend
a
positive
thumbs-up
recommendation
on
our
without
knowing
exactly
how
the
land
has
been
planted,
and
maybe
you
have
a
checks
and
balances
system
where,
once
you
get
this
plaited,
you
can
tweak
it
a
little
bit
but
I
assume.
If
you
give
an
art
to
a
thumbs-up
recommendation,
you
can't
go
back
on
that.
Is
that
correct
I'll.
B
Refer
to
my
legal
counsel
generally,
what
happens
we?
We
will
zone
that
our
they'll
come
to
us
with
a
plat
in
front
of
us
again.
They
have
three
years
to
record
that
plat.
If
that
plat
isn't
recorded
in
three
years,
it
dissolves
but
Stan.
The
zoning
doesn't
dissolve
the
zoning
stands,
but
the
plat
dissolves,
if
it's
not
recorded
in
three
years,
correct
well,.
O
I,
under
the
code
as
the
commissioners
now
the
individual
landowner,
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
City
Council-
can
initiate
at
rezone
so
Mike's
question.
If
our
recommendation
is
approved
by
the
City
Council,
there's
nothing
to
say
that
down
the
road
that
zoning
designation
couldn't
be
changed.
Okay,.
N
N
B
The
question
of
is
there
anything
that
can
buffer
r1
and
r2,
not
not
a
zoning
buffer,
we
couldn't,
but
we
could
put
a.
We
would
refer
to
this
more
screening
than
anything
else.
Is
it
a
berm?
Is
it
trees?
Is
it
fencing,
we'll
see
more
of
that
when
it
comes
time
to
the
platting
and
the
building
permits?
When
that
when
the
building
permits
come
out
or
the
plotting
comes
out,
we
may
look
at
the
layout
and
say
you
know,
based
on
the
way.
This
is
where
we
see
it
more
times
than
not.
B
When
we
request
screening
is
when
you
got
residential
and
commercial
together,
we
make
the
commercial
persons
screen,
so
the
headlights
don't
shine
into
someone's
house
or
when
streets,
don't
line
up,
we'll
make
the
developer
screen.
So
when
the
lights
come
down
the
streets,
they
don't
go
in
there
or
if
we
have
commercial
close
to
r2,
for
instance,
say
say:
a
convenience
store
wanted
to
go
in
there
by
conditional
use.
We
would
make
that
convenience
store,
possibly
screened
those
neighborhoods
and
that's
something
that
we
can.
B
We
can
take
a
look
at
when
the
plaque
comes
in
as
to
how
it's
laid
out
the
question
you
had
on
on
the
road.
We
agree
with
you
on
the
half
street.
This
board
agrees
with
you.
I
could
say
we
deal
with
that.
All
the
time
where
the
problem
comes
in
is
the
property
owners
on
the
on
your
side
of
the
street,
put
in
the
street
the
property
owners
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
put
the
other
half
of
the
street
in
which
is
in
the
county.
I.
M
B
B
N
Other
question
I
have,
and
maybe
this
would
be
best
for
Stanton
if
an
r2
recommendation
is
made
today,
can
it
be
done
with
the
caveat
that
it
would
be
given
an
approval
contingent
upon
a
plat
that
is
agreeable
to
the
Planning
Commission,
because
to
me
zoning
it
without
seeing
exactly
what
their
plans
are
seems
to
be
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse?
That's.
B
Normally,
a
person
will
bring
the
land
into
the
city,
they'll
annex
it
in
with
a
zone
could
be
years
before
we
see
any
plat,
we've
got
black
and
how
many
areas
do
we
have
that
you?
You
know
what
happens
up
in
in
your
edition
right
here.
You
can
see
some
of
the
land
that's
blanked
out
that
was
zone
but
never
plotted
all
the
all
the
homes.
B
O
If
another
example,
Mike
is
along
Willow,
Creek
Drive
back
in
2007,
nearly
all
that
property
was
annexed
into
the
city
and
given
zoning
designations,
and
to
my
knowledge,
very
very
few
of
that
of
that
area
has
been
lots
of
that
or
potential
Lots.
That
area
have
been
plaited.
It's
just
got.
Zoning
designation
a.
B
N
B
They
come
with.
The
plat
is
a
public
hearing.
Okay
with
that
plat.
When
that,
when
the
planning
process
happens,
that's
a
public
hearing
just
like
it
is
today
and
then
it's
platted
and
basically
the
lots
are
drawn
out.
The
building
permit
still
hasn't
been
pulled
on
any
of
it.
He
may
he
may
come
in
and
say
this
is
the
diagram
of
how
I
want
it
plaited.
It
might
be
ten
years
before
he
actually
pulls
a
building
permit.
B
B
P
Hi
chairman,
look
male
first
district
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
One
thing
that
we
seem
to
we
was
mentioned:
I
just
wanted
to
underscore
it
and
make
sure
that
I'm
on
the
same
page
to
the
the
zoning
designation
of
r2
allows
for
a
permitted
use
up
to
a
duplex
and
then
three
and
four
family
dwellings
are
conditional
uses.
That's
correct
and
there's.
P
For
family
dwellings
in
the
r2
district,
so
anything
that's
a
three
or
four
family
dwelling
would
require
conditional
use.
You
did
say
that,
but
that's
the
second
part
to
the
question
that
was
asked
there
is
that
if
there's
anything
above
a
duplex,
it
would
require
a
public
hearing
again
as
well,
even
after
the
plat
just
want
to
make
that
point.
Thanks.
B
Luke
is
anyone
else
here
to
speak
on
behalf
or
against
the
rezoning
request
scene?
None
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
ask
for
a
motion
in
a
second
and
I.
Would
I
would
like
in
the
motion.
If
you
so
choose,
then
we
put
it
with
the
recommendation
of
the
City
Council
to
consider
putting
in
the
rest
of
the
half
Street
and
part
of
that
to
comes
with
right
away.
We
don't
put
a
street
in
unless
we
have
a
right
away
and
that
that's
a
negotiation
with
that
landowner
and.
Q
B
You
I
want
to
put
one
other
known
as
talk
Stanton
made
mention
that
is
a
safeguard
to
the
neighborhood
up.
There
will
say
I'd
like
that
plat
to
make
sure
it
comes
before
the
Planning
Commission
that
it's
not
administrative,
Lea
proved
not
not
that
it
would
be
I.
Think
they'd
like
it
to
come,
but
to
give
these
people
a
satisfaction
that
sometimes
a
plat
with
less
than
five
lot
five
Lots
or
left
less
can
be
administratively
approved.
B
If
this
came
in
at
five
Lots
that
somebody
could
just
not
think
anything
of
it
and
go
hey,
it
works,
we
can
administrate,
it
flew
it
I
say
in
our
motion.
We
include
in
that
motion
that
the
plaque
can
be
administratively
approved
that
way,
we're
guaranteed
a
public
hearing
now
I'll
ask
for
a
motion
in
a
second
for
discussion
motion
by
mr.
Arnold
Sanger
by
mr.
stone
burger
discussion
in
that
motion
included.
B
Jeff
was
a
recommendation
that
the
City
Council
considers
the
other
the
other
side
of
the
half
Street,
and
that
the
the
plat
cannot
be
administratively
approved.
So
it
has
a
public
hearing
for
the
neighborhood.
Any
other
discussion
seemed
nonetheless
for
a
vote.
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
item
number
four.
Is
the
Stewart
addition
plat.
E
E
And
the
reasoning
behind
the
request
to
replant
them
is,
as
you
can
see
from
this
drawing
these
two
Lots
are
small
and
they're
smaller
than
our
required
lot
size
and
smaller
than
our
required
zoning
would
allow
for
those
Lots.
So
they
would
like
to
reap
lat
these
three
Lots,
two
of
which
are
below
our
standard
lot
size
and
replant
it
into
this,
where
it's
two
larger
Lots
that
conform
to
our
rezoning.
E
E
Thing
with
this
plat
is
it
the
old
plant
had
a
access,
easement
running
right
down
the
middle
of
it,
and
this
new
revised
plat
has
moved
that
access
easement
to
the
east-southeast
property
line,
so
the
access
easement
would
come
up
this
line
and
then
down
and
then
up
again
and
that
access
easement
is
the
same
size
as
it
was
before.
Just
now,
as
has
curves
in
it,
the.
E
F
E
People
have
the
right
to
use
it
currently,
these
orange
lines
are
the
property
lines,
and
so
those
those
Lots
aren't
owned
individually,
but
they're
owned
in
conjunction
with
other
Lots,
but
people
can
still
use
that
access
to
to
get
them
if
they
were
would
so
choose.
But
these
are
the
property
lines.
B
B
R
R
R
Would
be
here
himself,
but
two
weeks
is
not
enough
time
he's
in
Nevada
right
now
working
on
a
job
if
he
could
have
more
time,
he
would
come
here
and
you
could
quiz
him
himself.
It's
Robert
Markle
senior,
but
he
had
less
than
two
weeks.
Actually
it
was
13
days
from
notification
till
and
we
just
don't
think
that
was
enough
time
for
him
to
be
able
to
get
back
and
make
arrangements
to
fly
back
here
for
that,
but
he
needs
access
to
that
back.
R
R
E
Here's
the
plat
and
it
still
shows
an
access
easement
coming
up.
What
would
be
the
east
side
of
the
new
lot
and
then
coming
across
the
north
side
of
it,
and
then
it
ties
into
the
existing
access
existing
easement,
that's
already
there,
so
that
easement
will
still
exist.
It'll
just
be
moved
to
the
east
side
of
that
property,
but.
R
A
A
R
R
F
E
S
G
E
M
R
B
B
B
You
it's
Moo,
it's
moving
it
it's
moving
it.
His
access
to
it's
gonna,
come
from
a
different
direction.
He'll
still
go
he's
not
gonna
come
directly
into
it.
He's
gonna
have
to
go
up
and
slide
around,
and
it
would
require
him
to
possibly
move
a
gate
if
he
was
bringing
in
an
RV
or
something
like
that,
and
it
looks
like
to
me:
that's
an
RV
right.
There
is.
H
I
mean
there's
lots
of
issues
with
this
whole
easement.
There's
several
encroachments
from
end
to
end,
one
being
a
fence,
others
being
sheds,
there's
trees
in
there
there's
no
realistic
route
that
supports
ingress/egress,
so
they're,
really.
Ultimately,
the
primary
purpose
of
the
easement
is
to
provide
for
the
utilities
that
serve
all
those
properties
that
abut
the
easement
area.
I
mean
it
would.
If,
if
we
were
to
do
this
correctly,
that
whole
area
would
be
cleared
out
and
there
would
be
an
outlet
at
each
end
of
the
easement.
B
T
Mark
Meyer
works
on
utilities.
The
only
issue
that
I
have
is
on
the
east
side
that
that
being
called
a
utility
access,
because
we're
gonna
have
4-foot
electric
boxes.
In
there,
cable
TV
phone
there's
no
way
it'll
be
access
because
there's
gonna
be
utilities
in
there,
I
mean
there's
no
way
no
base
I'll
be
able
to
drive
through
it.
T
T
S
Carol
Stanek
Markel
I
have
the
house
at
3:12.
As
you
can
see,
in
the
north
or
south
east
corner,
there
is
a
utility
there.
We
have
the
fence
cut
out,
so
here
they
have
access
to
it
at
all
times.
I
have
dogs
that
have
open
rein
in
my
backyard
in
2011.
We
went
through
this
before
the
city
gave
us
permission
to
put
the
fence
up
to
the
fence
on
the
utility
our
property
line
we
negotiated
with
the
previous
owner.
S
He
didn't
want
us
having
the
gates
on
the
east
side,
so
we
put
it
on
the
south
side,
so
we
would
comply.
There
is
access
through
there,
the
utile
owners
all
the
way
up
and
down
go
in
through
that.
There
is
a
roadway
on
the
south
side.
Where
we
access
it.
There
is
not
one
should
he
move
the
utility
over?
S
There
would
have
to
be
one
built
there
for
us
to
get
in
and
out
now,
from
my
perspective,
I
put
rvs
back
there
ones,
one
of
our
RVs
28,
the
other
one
is
34
36
for
me
to
do
it
across
that
little
angle
and
going
in
it
be
very,
very
challenging
for
me
to
back
in
and
RV
into
that
location.
That
way,
so
we
went
out
of
our
way.
S
S
There's
my
28
foot,
one
back
there
and
about
well
actually
I'm
heading
to
Anchorage
this
weekend
and
I'm,
bringing
our
RV
down
from
Alaska
and
there's
going
to
be
a
36
foot
one
in
there
in
a
couple
and
within
a
week's
time
frame
that
straight
access
into
through
that
easement
is
how
I
get
in
there.
You
do
it
through
the
other
way.
I
won't
be
able
to
access
it.
I
won't
be
able
to
get
in
through
my
yard.
S
The
way
we'd
have
to
go
back
and
forth
across
the
back
of
those
personnel
property
we
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
in
all
the
people
up
and
down
to
the
north
of
me
use
that
utility
access
s
to
get
into
the
properties.
We
don't
have
an
issue
with
it.
We
respect
each
other's
property
and
we
go
in
and
out
all
the
time
we
turn
around
our
own
property
to
get
out.
We
know
it's
a
one-way
issue.
It
hasn't
been
a
problem.
We
respect
each
other's
property
when
we
use
it,
we
use
it
a
lot.
S
We
would
like
to
keep
that
access
at
that
point.
It's
a
straight
in
and
out
come
this
winter
when
you
start
talking
about
a
couple
corners,
you're
talking
about
a
lot
of
snow
drifts
that
make
it
impossible
for
us
to
get
in
and
out
this
one
here,
there's
a
couple
of
us
that
go
in
there
make
sure
the
snows
in
there
we
can
drive
in
and
out
straight
out
without
doing
damage.
We
haven't
damaged
his
property.
S
S
U
S
Have
you
ever
backed
up
a
28
foot,
travel
trailer,
okay,
I
mean
that's.
Why
I'm
asking
for
it
to
state
I
mean
I
would
have
to
be
going
into
another
person's
lot,
at
least
while
you
figure
what
is
a
normal
pickup
size.
I've
got
a
3/4
ton,
I'm
assuming
15
feet,
plus
you're
looking
30
feet
for
the
travel
tapered,
so
I'd
be
going
50
feet
in
and
that's
sitting
right
on
top
of
the
edge
of
my
property.
If
I'm
using
it
to
pull
forward
enough
to
back,
then
it
would
be
more
I.
B
Then,
coming
over
you
know,
rut
run
your
pointer
up.
That
line
right
there,
no
don't
come
come
all
the
way
down
to
the
street
over
your
new
line
is
gonna.
Go
right.
There
right,
stop,
stop
right
below
the
twenty-seven
over
the
twenty-seven.
Can
it
go
up
a
little
further,
a
little
further
a
little
further
now
now
now
square
it
off
you're.
B
M
S
G
E
G
G
G
G
E
S
S
F
E
I
guess
so
wondering
if
you
could
move
the
20
foot
access
easement
to
this
side,
would
it
would
it
would
cut
more
into
the
setbacks
they?
The
applicant
tried
to
space
the
the
easement
over
property
lines
where
he
could
so
that
way,
when
there's
the
9
foot
setback,
you
know
that's
the
normal
building
area
here,
they'd
have
to
go
out
an
additional
foot
to
build,
but
if
it
was
20
feet
down
this
side,
they'd
have
to
go
to
the
east
20
feet
before
they
could
build.
E
E
G
O
There's
a
process
under
state
statute
for
vacating
an
easement.
You
got
to
give
notice
to
the
adjacent
property
owners
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day
when
the
easement
is
vacated,
the
owner
on
one
side
is
going
to
own
to
the
middle.
The
easement,
the
owner
on
the
other
side,
is
going
to
own
to
the
in
the
middle
of
the
easement
and
potentially
that's
going
to
increase
their
assessed
valuation.
So
there's
a
process
under
state
statute
where,
yes,
an
easement
can
be
vacated,
but
there's
a
notice
and
public
hearing
procedure
that
has
to
be
followed.
G
S
G
Yeah
and
I
probably
said
enough,
but
that's
why
access
easements
are
put
in
is
for
the
adjoining
landowners
to
get
to
the
back
of
their
property,
because
sometimes
there's
no
way
to
get
back
there
once
lots
are
all
sold
off.
You
can't
get
to
your
property.
So
that's
why
access
easements
are
put
in
place
initially,
I'll.
E
X
So
we
built
the
garage
and
it
says
there
is
a
10
foot
utility
easement
along
the
northeast
South
flat
lines,
as
disclosed
by
the
plat
filed
for
a
record
on
July
15
1992
in
the
book
of
Amplatz
and
the
pages
357
to
364
note
access
to
a
lot,
seven
of
the
braggy
Edition
is
gained
by
the
access
and
utility
easement,
as
disclosed
by
the
plat
filed
for
record
on
the
15th
1992
in
book
M
and
the
pages
again.
That's.
E
B
W
X
X
U
U
X
M
L
My
name
is
Cathy
Salter
and
I'm
at
318,
20th
Street,
and
so
we
bought
the
extra
fifty
feet
in
the
back
and
the
only
way
we
can
get
back.
There
is
through
that
access
easement,
and
we
were
always
told
that
we
always
had
that
straight
shot
to
our
back
yard.
We
have
no
other
way
to
get
to
our
back
yard.
L
Our
house
is
wide
enough
to
where
there's
no
access,
even
on
either
side
of
our
house
and
if
they
would
change
the
access
to
have
those
couple
turns
in
there
there's
no
way
you
can
even
get
you
can't
even
turn
and
plus
mark
Meyer
just
said
that
they're
gonna,
that
utilities
is
right
in
the
middle
of
it.
So
there's
no
way
for
me
to
access
my
backyard
now
with
the
with
those
utilities
right
in
the
middle
of
the
access
now.
So
we
need
that
straight
shot
just
to
get
in
my
backyard.
Y
I'm
Mike
Stewart
I
bought
the
property.
Knowing
the
access
easement
was
there
I
think
for
get
taking
the
20
feet
moving
it
over
gives
them
plenty
of
room
to
access
their.
The
boxes
are
not.
You
still
have
plenty
of
room
to
get
around
them
the
fence
deal.
She
would
have
to
move
her
gates,
no
matter
what,
because
they,
if
you
measured
10
feet
from
the
property
line
to
where
gates
start,
she
could
not
even
have
her
gates,
no
matter
what
I
wanted
to
block
it
off
right
now,
I.
Y
Could
then,
since
the
fence
is
there
what's
saying
right
now,
without
with
the
way
it
is,
I
still
could
build
in
that
50
foot
by
a
hundred
and
sixty
foot
lot.
I
could
build
a
house
there
if
they
put
a
fence
around
just
like
they
do
and
the
other
property
which
would
be
lot
two
of
the
Brady
addition
if
they
put
a
fence
around
they
block
that
hole.
Access.
Easement
is
that
legal,
then,
since
they
have
the
fence
or
not
legally.
A
B
Y
Okay,
so
I,
don't
think
you
could
get
an
RV
from
the
street
or
a
trailer
camper
backing
it
and
I'd
be
blocking
3rd
Avenue
law
and
backing
it
and
all
the
way
through
there
and
back
it
in
to
that
fence
area.
I
would
like
to
see
that
happen,
but
either
way
I
can
build
on
it
I'm
trying
to
move
it
and
make
that
easement
just
off
to
the
side,
giving
the
same
property
that
I'm,
giving
you
back
the
same
property
I'm
taking
is
what
I'm
trying
to
do.
T
Mark
Meyer
again,
the
only
thing
I
was
trying
to
explain
is
I
just
think.
A
utility
easement
and
an
access
easement
should
be
shown
separate
because
if
it's
all
in
a
utility
easement
technically
a
utility
could
put
a
box
anywhere
in
it
and
block
the
access
I'm.
Just
saying
they
should
be
designated
as
two
different
things
in.
B
M
S
S
The
one
letter
I
don't
have
the
other
final
letter
showing
that
it
was
approved,
but
I
do
have
it
where
we
were
given
permission
to
move
it
out.
I'm
assuming
knowing
the
city
keeps
their
paperwork
for
many
years.
You'll
find
it
too.
The
second
thing
is:
is
yes,
I
understand,
I'm,
not
totally
objecting
the
fact
that
the
offense
could
possibly
have
to
be
moved.
We
had
it
beat
back
before
when
they
asked
us
to.
When
we
sought
permission
to
move
the
fence
out,
you
guys
gave
us
a
fence
permission.
We
moved
it
out.
S
S
Do
we
bring
other
stuff
in
through
that
we've
had
construction
vehicles
coming
in
through
that
it
supports
that
making
it
the
jog
around
those
corners
makes
it
difficult,
and
if
you
look
at
our
titled,
my
in
title
insurance,
when
you
read
it,
it
says,
is
gained
by
that
axis
and
utility
easement.
It
doesn't
say,
implied
access,
it
says
access
and
utility
easement
in
the
title
insurance.
So
it's
not
an
implied
access
easement.
It
stated
that
way.
One.
S
So
those
are
the
things
we've
offered.
I'd
still
stand
and
we'd
look
at
the
homeowners
taken
in
buying
those
two
adjoining
lodge
just
to
keep
that
easement
there
for
our
use.
We
were
open
to
admit
not
an
exorbitant
price
that
they
were
asking
at
a
reasonably
price.
We've
taken
just
to
keep
that
lot
available
for
us
to
use
in
this
current
fashion,
but
not
at
an
outrageous
price.
We
use
the
property
all
of
us
use
it
we're
willing
to
keep
it
that
way
the
properties
were
bought.
S
The
50-foot
properties
were
bought
with
the
implied
and
written
consent
in
our
documents
that
our
access
was
going
to
be
built
through
that
air
straight
in
there
I
know
you
guys
think
okay
I
can
come
along
and
pull
that
trailer.
Yet,
in
my
back
yard,
coming
in
from
that
opposite
direction,
it's
not
feasible.
It
really
isn't
I'm
gonna,
let
any
one
of
you
try
and
do
it
with
the
my
pickup
and
my
thing
and
if
you
guys
can
succeed
in
doing
it,
I'm
open-minded
but
I,
Drive
it
and
park
it.
S
A
lot
and
I
have
trees
in
my
backyard
and
if
you
go
back
there
and
look,
there's
probably
about
three
foot
on
either
side
of
my
RV
that
where
I
slip
it
right
in
and
straight
back
in
there
going
the
other
direction,
I
don't
have
a
big
problem,
moving
the
fans
or
cutting
the
trees
down,
but
I
really
do
like
the
trees
back
there.
It's
pretty.
We
have
animals,
it
does
many
things
so
I
to
me.
S
It's
a
little
bit
of
the
beauty
of
the
area
also,
and
so
yes,
we're
asking
you
guys
to
take
a
consider.
The
hearing
before
he
rezone
zit
and
rezone
czar,
the
utility
easement,
please
consider
I
mean
we've
spent
a
lot
of
years
out.
There
I
understand
it's
his
property.
He
would
like
to
make
some
changes
on
it,
but
respect
the
fact
that
we've
lived
there
for
quite
some
time.
S
We
built
and
bought
the
additional
property
with
the
consent
that
we
were
gonna
have
access
easement,
all
the
way
back
and
there's
just
like
I
said
we
all
respect
the
rights
of
everyone
else.
We
respect
it
when
we
drive
down
the
middle
of
that
property
line.
No
one's
complained
about
my
fans
being
on
there
because
they
still
get
in
through
the
10-foot
width
and
being
within
reason.
If
I
have
to
move
the
fence
I'll.
Do
it
again
thank.
P
I
B
B
E
All
right,
I'll
give
a
brief
overview
of
this
area.
It's
the
area
that
we've
all
seen
before
as
it's
been
in
the
works
since
October
of
2014,
when
the
petitioner
came
in
with
their
first
concept
plan,
which
was
was
different
than
this,
but
at
that
time
they
had
a
concept
plan
that
went
through
our
process
and
through
our
preliminary
plan
process
and
was
approved
in
March
of
2015
with
some
conditions
and
then,
instead
of
planning
that
particular
layout
they've
come
forward
with
a
new
set
of
plans
that
have
this
slot
layout
and
they're.
E
This
this
total
area
is
about
21
acres
and
the
applicants
proposing
to
do
four
different
zoning
district
nations.
They
want
r1,
r2,
r3
and
c2
in
this
configuration.
I
also
want
to
note
that
I
handed
out
to
the
board
members
a
newly
revised
set
of
preliminary
plans
that
were
similar
to
the
ones
that
are
in
your
packet.
We
had
a.
We
asked
the
developer
to
just
add
a
few
notes
and
and
update
some
of
the
pages
so
they're
for
the
most
part,
very
similar,
the
road
widths,
the
same
size
and
same
location.
E
E
B
You
Jeff
what
we'll
do
is
I'll
open.
The
public
hearing
closed
the
public
hearing,
then
we'll
discuss
the
resolutions
within
the
resolution
and
any
changes
to
those
that
may
occur
during
the
public
hearing
and
then
we'll
move
on
from
there.
So
that'll
open
the
public
hearing,
if
anyone's
here
to
speak
on
behalf
or
against
the
preliminary
plan.
Z
Mr.
chairman
Bob
Drake
one
of
the
developers
for
this
point
or
plan
I
guess
basically,
we've
changed
the
whole
tone
of
this
thing
in
that
we're
going
into
into
the
property
instead
of
dropping
to
the
south.
We
were
originally
going
through
the
wetland
to
the
south
in
block
three
and
we've
changed
that
so
that
we're
actually
going
into
basically
that,
where
the
stela
may
used
to
house
which
is
clear
towards
the
top
portion
of
the
channels,
except
for
where
outlet
into
the
Hidden
Valley
area
so.
Z
Right
in
here,
the
lake
is
basically
filled
this
back
in,
so
it's
actually
in
a
pretty
high
level.
So
that's
why
we
we've
exited
out
into
this
area
and
then
the
actual
exit
would
go
on
in
here
the
drain
each
why's.
There
were
some
questions
on
the
drainage
before
with
this
channel
going.
This
far
will
actually
have
the
drainage
coming
through
here
and
then
on
out,
so
that'll
minimize
any
any
drainage
that
would
go
to
the
east
that
would
go
into
the
channel
as
well
as
this.
Z
AA
B
Z
E
E
B
Z
B
B
E
E
F
Z
If
we
take
it
down,
if
we
went
down
to
the
rod
this
but
I
think
originally
we
had
looked
at
going
down
the
five
feet
and
that
would
have
been
and
then
and
then
we
our
yards
and
then
we
looked
at
actually
pulling
it
down
a
little
bit
deeper
right
now
he
did
some
measurements
over
in
Hidden
Valley
and
there
were
there's.
You
know
a
little
over
two
feet,
so
we
wanted
to
get
it
deep
enough
that
we
wouldn't
have
it
fill
him
back
in
right
away.
So
so.
Z
B
Z
L
Z
Z
Z
E
B
E
So
it's
it's
a
lot
of
contours
to
make
it
a
little
bit
hard
to
see,
but
it's
this
is
the
17/20
contour
it
comes
around
and
it
comes
around
this
floodplain
or
wetland
twice.
A
lot
is
where
it
is
and,
as
you
said,
it
wasn't
gonna
be
developed.
Then
this
is
the
floodplain
itself
and
floodplain.
The
pink
goes
to
an
elevation
of
17
24.8.
So
that's
that's
where
the
pink
line
is
drawn.
E
B
B
B
E
E
E
Yes,
the
the
property
lines
would
be
at
the
high-water
mark,
which
would
be
where
that
the
practically
that
is
all
those
Lots
do
meet
the
required
area
for
r1
zoning
designation
on
this
lot
number
nine.
We
looked
at
and
it's
it's
narrow
and
it's
narrow
throughout,
so
it
doesn't
meet
the
average
width
requirement.
But
that's
I
mean
when
it
comes
to
planning.
We
could
require
them
to
make
sure
that
their
plat
all
the
Lots
meet
the
required
size.
It.
B
Has
a
required
square
footage,
but
it
doesn't
have
the
average
the
mean
width,
the
75
feet
craft,
that
was
one
area.
I
looked
at
Bob
with
that
when
I.
The
first
thing
that
popped
out
at
me
was
the
the
width
of
the
Lots
at
the
street,
where
I
saw
40s
and
60s
I
thought
the
next
thing.
I
know,
though,
we're
gonna
need
variances
for
garages
and
houses
and
yeah.
Z
Z
Z
F
Z
E
B
B
Z
F
B
U
Z
B
Know
North
and
South
Lake
Drive
have
very
few
homes
on
both
sides.
The
road
I
went
and
I
took
a
look
at
Golf,
View
Estates
I
took
a
little
prairie
hills
to
the
south.
I
took
a
look
at
it
summer.
Would
many
many
many
of
those
Lots
are
bigger
than
these
Lots.
They
have
many
Lots
that
are
3040
thousand
square
feet.
That's
not
a
crazy
big
lot.
They
have
curb
gutter
sidewalks
on
both
sides
in
many
cases,
and
they
have
a
37-foot
road
here.
B
I
look
and
go
boy
that
there's
going
to
be
more
traffic
in
and
out
of
here
than
we
think
there's
be
a
lot
more
traffic.
If
a
commercial
project
is
developed
on
that
point
out
there
I
can
see
I
understand
the
lack
of
curb
and
gutter,
because
that
requires
storm
sewer
which
moves
water
faster,
and
in
this
area
we
don't
want
water
to
move
faster.
We
want
it
to
move
slower,
so
it
naturally
filters
through
I'd,
be
evil,
far
more
comfortable
with
a
wider
road
and
then
again,
I.
B
Look
at
the
size
of
the
width
of
these
Lots
on
the
roadside
they're,
not
200-foot
widths,
they're.
Not
250
foot
widths,
they're,
not
1,
acre
lots
there
not
2
acre
lots.
You
question:
why?
Wouldn't
we
put
sidewalk
in
front
of
every
house,
you
know
I
see,
you've
got
a
walking
trail
in
there,
so
the
questions
I
have
is
I'd
like
to
see
a
wider
road
and
I'd
like
to
see
sidewalks
unless
I
can
be
talked
into.
Why
there's
a
walking
trail
instead
of
sidewalks.
Z
Well,
if
we
go
with
the
area
around
there,
if
you
go
to
Dennis
Arnold's
to
the
south,
he's
got
sidewalks
on
his,
but
there's
a
walking
trail
to
the
east
side
of
that
property.
There's
a
walking
trail
up
north
clays
Drive.
That
goes
all
the
way
around
in
that
area,
and
a
lot
of
people
use
walking
trails
with
bikes
with
people
walking
I
think
it's
actually
safer,
having
walking
trails
than
it
is
having
a
narrower
sidewalk,
and
that
type
of
thing
personally.
B
B
There's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
traffic.
There's
20
26
27
Lots,
including
a
couple
commercial
Lots
up
in
there.
There's
gonna
be
and
there's
no,
you
come
in.
You
come
out
the
same
way
you
go
in
so
on
a
Sunday
afternoon
when
someone
drives
through
Prairie
Hills
and
see
Stoney
Point
Drive
they're
gonna
make
a
hard
right
whether
they
live
up
there
or
not.
They're
gonna
go
up
in
that
area
and
they're
gonna
hit
the
call
to
the
north
cul-de-sac
and
turn
back
and
come
around
we
from
a
Board
of
Adjustment
standpoint.
B
Every
month
we
get
somebody
that
says:
I
can't
put
two
cars
in
a
20
28
foot
garage
I
need
32,
I
need
36
feet,
but
now
we
got
a
26
foot
Road
and
we're
gonna
have
cars
meeting
on
a
26
foot
road
with
other
activity
going
on
up
at
there.
It
doesn't
take
long,
though
some
of
these
Lots
aren't
really
that
deep
at
the
road,
when
you
consider
where
the
homes
are
gonna,
be
built,
I
think
they'll
be
cars
parked
on
that
road
out
there.
You
know
when
people
have
gatherings,
and
things
like
that.
Q
Q
Same
to
me
as
a
sidewalk
and
curb
and
gutter,
and
it
seems
like
that
water
should
be
accounted
for
them
as
to
how
it
could
be
and
then
I
know,
I
mean
I've
been
on
this
for
a
while
that
we
are
going
to
have
people
come
in
and
ask
for
variances
right
away
on
those
small
lot
frontages.
We
said
we
see
them
all
the
time
and
we
say
that
we
allow
it
because
there
are
a
hundred
year
old
Lots
in
there
50
feet
wide.
Q
If
it's
even
legal,
you
can
say
no
variance
is
allowed
if
people
are
going
to
buy
that
little
tiny
entrance
with
no
curb
and
no
gutter,
no
sidewalk
and
then
come
in
right
away
and
say
by
the
way,
I
want
a
variance,
because
we
can't
do
the
things
we
want
to
do
on
the
back
end
of
my
lot
here,
I
mean
we
hear
it
all.
The
time
so
personal
opinion.
Z
W
B
Can
I
have
one
quick
question
for
you:
it,
the
lake,
your
rear
yard,
your
rear
yard
setback
is
the
road
side,
your
front
yard
setback
is
the
water
side.
How
do
we
do
it
in
a
channel
where's
their
front
yard
where's
their
rear
yard,
the
water,
so
the
channel
it
would
be
just
like
the
lake.
So
all
of
these
people's
rear
yards
face
the
road
if
they're
adjacent
to
the
channel,
that's
the
way
it's
gonna
be
looked
at
when
we
come
in
for
setback
so
most
of
these
houses
generally.
B
Will
it
be
interesting
to
see
if
someone
how
they
gonna
face
their
house
or
you
and
put
the
front
to
the
call
to
Sakura
they're
gonna
put
the
front
to
the
channel,
but
the
setbacks?
Would
you
know
you've
got
a
you've,
got
a
greater
front
yard
setback,
their
rear
yard.
It
wouldn't
matter
how
they
face
it
again.
We're
gonna,
say
right
now:
front
yard.
Thirty-Five
year
thirty,
where
we
thirty
feet
to
the
channel
and
twenty-five
to
the
back.
AB
B
O
H
Z
W
Z
B
Believe
I
believe
the
the
mills
development
on
south
part
of
town
I
think
they
maintain
their
own
trails.
That's
not
a
City
trail
is
that
they
didn't
the
city
didn't
accept
those
trails
that
run
behind
those
homes.
We'd
have
to
look
into
that
yeah.
They
maintain
that
themselves
down
there.
That's
one
where
they
substitute.
Z
Z
F
B
Z
AC
Hi,
my
name
is
Doug
Elvin
with
the
campus
coach
chapter
of
the
Isaac
Walton
League,
and
it's
got
three
quick
points.
It's
been
a
long
night
already
three
quick
points:
I
want
to
go
through
on
the
boat
Channel,
that's
Stony,
Point.
First
one
is
because
we
believe
that
the
wetland
by
Stoney
Point
is
very
valuable
and
and
irreplaceable
to
Lake
campus
cover
fisheries
production,
water
filtration
and
why
live
habitat?
We
don't
want
to
see
any
destruction
as
important
after
resource
I
mean
that's
that's
the
way
we
feel
number
two.
AC
If
the
unfortunate
decision
is
made
to
build
a
boat
channel,
then
we
feel
the
channel
should
come
in
from
the
lake
to
the
north,
where
the
old
boat
channel
used
to
be
about
50
years
ago.
This
row
would
cause
less
damage
to
the
wetland
than
going
west
through
the
north
end
of
the
wetland,
and
we
did
discuss
this
a
little
bit
with
developer
and
at
the
time
he
said
he
really
didn't
want
to
do
that,
because
it
would
affect
one
of
us
lots
and
it
looks
like
it's
lot
number
nine
now.
AC
Two
in
block
two
right
there
right
on
the
east
side
of
the
apples,
three
Lots
right
there.
We
have
they're
real
concerned
about
future
development
and
those
homeowners
are
going
to
want
to
do
things.
So
that's
why
we
think
is
important
to
somehow
protect
that
wetland
in
the
future
from
any
more
development
than
what's
already
being
considered,
and
we
also
discussed
this
with
a
developer.
We
met
with
him
and
also
Austen
engineering
here
last
week
and
it's
something
he
said
he
would
consider
so
so
anyway,
some
we
talked
about
when.
AC
Right
right
through
here,
instead
of
coming
out
here,
there's
a
lot
of
wetlands.
A
lot
of
cattails
I
mean
out
in
the
wetland
here
that
they're
gonna
have
to
go
through
to
get
get
out
to
the
lake
and
and
out
through
the
in
valley
channel
from
the
north.
The
old
ones
I
like
it
coming
right
through
here,
and
so
it
would
have
less
impact
on
the
wetland
and
then,
if
he'd,
the
one
that
they're
planning
so
anyway,
that's
what
we
would
prefer
and.
B
AC
AC
AC
U
B
B
AC
AC
U
AC
AD
AD
I
stated
that
we're
obviously
opposed
to
filling
of
what
basically
now
is
block
3,
which
is
what
he
originally
was
was
planning,
and
after
several
meetings
and
and
meeting
with
a
lot
of
different
entities,
I
think
we've
we've
we're
getting
better
or
maybe
not
quite
where
we
we
need
to
be
yet,
but
obviously
game,
fish
and
parks
as
main
concern
as
this
wetland,
this
block
three
area
and
and
and
how
we
can
best
protect
that
you
know
I
stated
in
the
March
19th
meeting.
On
all
the
reasons.
AD
AD
Our
biggest
concern
obviously,
is
the
what
is
the
wetland
we
have?
No,
we
have
no
objections
to
any
other
part
of
the
development
once
that
channel
is
created.
We're
talking
you
guys
were
talking
earlier.
That
does
become
part
of
Lake
in
Pasco,
so
so
that
is
an
extension
of
the
lake
once
you
once
you
create
that
channel.
So
so
he
was
right
in
saying
that
you
know
he
can't
deny
access
and
that
kind
of
stuff
do
that
anytime.
You
build
a
channel
into
the
lake.
There's
gonna
be
some
problems
with
it.
AD
I
can
guarantee
you
that,
and
anybody
lives
on
Hidden
Valley
can
can
attest
to
that.
There's
gonna
be
LG
blooms,
there's
gonna,
be
heroes
and
problems.
There's
gonna
be
siltation
problems
that
it
ends
up
being
quite
a
bit
of
maintenance
at
times
that
and
all
that
it's
going
to
require
a
future
permitting
and
that
kind
of
stuff
from
the
Corps
of
Engineers
and
from
game
fish
and
parks.
The
other
part
that
Doug
was
mentioning
also
we
have
concerns
with,
is
those
three
Lots
just
to
the
east
of
block
three
they're
on.
AD
If
this
wetland
is
as
donated
and
there's
an
easement
put
on
it,
and
we
need
to
figure
out
somehow
of
letting
the
people
that
possibly
could
purchase
blocks
one
two
and
three
here,
those
three
Lots
there
I've
walked
to
that
that
they're
not
gonna,
have
access
to
that.
Lay
through
that
wetland.
That's
just
not
going
to
happen.
They
would
have
to
apply
for
that
individually
and
I,
and
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
those
would
those
would
be
tonight
on
another
point
that
was
brought
up.
AD
Is
you
got
to
keep
in
mind
folks
that
everything
below
that
ordinary
high
water
mark?
No
matter
what
lot
it
is
adjacent
to
or
connects
to?
You
know
when
you're
donating
stuff
that
that's
that's
not
part
of
the
donation
as
part
of
state
of
South
Dakota
already,
so
so.
Keep
that
in
mind
when
that
can
when,
when
that
connects
to
that
big
wetland
there,
if
it's
below
the
ordinary
high
water
mark
that
that's
part
of
the
state
of
South
Dakota,
already
that's
already
in
the
people's
properties,
soul,.
Q
AE
Q
AD
May
make
some
sense,
there's
still
some
impacts
there.
You'd
have
to
measure
it
out
and
we
can
guess
what
the
impacts
are
gonna
be
to
these
wetlands,
but
we
don't
know
until
10
years
down
the
road
what
the
actual
impact
is
probably
going
to
be
right.
Now
it's
just
an
acreage
impact,
but
anytime
you
manipulate
one
part
of
a
wetland.
It's
gonna
affect
the
rest
of
it
somewhere
down
the
line
so
and
Mother
Nature
has
a
way
of
changing
things
on
our
own.
AD
AD
Think
that
the
biggest
concern
if
I
was
building
a
channel
here
would
be
how
am
I
gonna
keep
my
channel.
It's
a
heavily
windswept
lake
in
a
heavily
windy
part
of
the
world,
so
you
know
anybody.
You
know
we
work
on
a
lot
of
bull
ramps
in
the
lake
and
then
anybody
in
Hidden
Valley
could
tell
you
you're
here
to
get
segments
inside
that
channel.
At
some
point,
some
three.
AD
U
AD
U
AD
U
U
AD
The
restrictions
are
already,
there
is
what
I'm
saying
is
if
you,
if
you
somehow
protect
us
wetland,
the
people
that
buy
that
adjacent
blocks,
they're
gonna
have
to
apply
for
the
same
type
of
permit
that
that
he's
applying
for
now
and
what
I'm
saying
on
an
individual
basis
yeah.
If
this
wetland
is
protected,
we
can't
have
those
three.
Those
three
blocks
changing
the
scope
of
that
wetland,
just
because
it's
their
backyard,
but.
U
C
AD
Know,
typically,
on
a
lake
like
Lake,
an
Pesce
that
area
would
would
ball,
see
me
crappie
that
would
spawn
in
that
type
of
aquatic
situation
they
they
like
to.
They
like
the
cattails
they
liked
to
hang
stuff
on
vegetation.
Perch
would
also
be
another
walleyes
as
more
of
the
rocky
substrate,
but
in
high
water
periods,
where
there's
sufficient
water
back
there
to
the
cattails
that'd
be
predominantly
pan
fish.
K
K
K
M
B
AA
N
U
F
H
Think
at
some
point,
I
mean
I
want
to
listen
to
any
more
public
input
and
I've
been
kind
of
patiently
waiting,
because
I
want
to
give
the
Commission
somewhat
of
our
staff
perspective
and
where
we're
suggesting
some
of
these
issues
be
addressed
and
I.
Guess
it
all
the
way
in
when
that's
appropriate,
but
I
just
wanted
one.
Didn't
everybody
to
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
the
same
concerns
and
we've
been
visiting
with
the
developer
and
the
his
engineer
about
these
and
all
had
more
input.
K
I
Yeah
rod
dealing
with
Austin
engineering,
you
know
in
our
404
permit
applications.
What
we
got
to
do
is
is
not
only
look
at
mitigation
for
that
area
going
through
that
in
into
the
that
existing
channel,
but
the
core
is
going
to
require
detailed
plans
of
of
what
we're
going
to
build
that
channel
of
what
we're
going
to
do
for
the
sidewalls.
I
You
know
whether
the
concrete
walls
or
a
concrete
monster
block,
or
something
to
that
effect,
and,
of
course
you
know
we,
you
know
when
we
get
into
the
to
the
construction
phase,
that
we're
gonna
have
to
protect
any
waters
from
sedimentation.
That
would
be
a
result
of
construction.
That's
through
the
South
Dakota
Department
of
Environmental
Natural
Resources
and
all
these
people
are
going
to
require
us
to
have
detailed
plans.
I
What
we're
going
to
do
with
our
excavation
the
construction
methods,
the
timing
of
things
and
a
sequence
of
operations
they're
going
to
require
us
to
submit
that
you
know
so
right
now
we
are
in
the
preliminary
plan
stages
of
it,
but
but
we
got
to
give
them
details
to
them
people
in
order
to
get
approval
for
so
because
they're
gonna
have
to
advertise,
notify
appropriate
people
as
them
kind
of
things.
So.
F
F
I
B
It
is
I,
think
well,
I,
think
what
we'll
find
is
between
South
Dakota
game,
fish
and
parks
when
it
comes
to
the
the
dredging
of
that
shoreline,
that's
kind
of
their
their
expertise.
The
other
areas
is
the
cores
expertise.
Some
of
those
bodies
are
waiting
for
us
to
rule
before
they
move
too
much
further
on
that
I
think
we
can
rest
assured
that
in
the
resolution,
we've
spelled
out
the
points
of
that
that
nothing
can
move
forward
until
those
bodies
have
made
their
decisions
on
what
we
move
forward
with
today.
B
I
spoke
personally
to
game,
fish
and
parks
today,
and
they
said
yeah
we've
got
it,
but
we're
kind
of
waiting
to
see
what
you
guys
are
gonna
do
before
we
move
any
further,
so
it's
kind
of
a
team
effort,
I
can
also
say
I
and
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
Bob,
but
I
think
that
that
wetland
at
first
we're
good.
They
thought
about
doing
something
different
with
that
and
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
B
We
still
have
Park
dedication
in
this
project
and
I
think
we
can
possibly
take
a
look
or
maker
make
a
a
recommendation
to
the
park
board
that
they
take
that
wetland
in
lieu
of
Park
dedication,
possibly,
and
then,
if
that,
if
the
owner
wants
to
deed
that
to
the
city,
the
city
can
then
lease
that
to
a
conservation
entity
of
some
sort.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
today.
B
There's
some
options
out
there
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
question
that
this
board,
the
Corps
of
Engineers
game
fish
and
parks
and
the
owners
are
going
to
protect
that
way
to
the
best
that
we
can.
It
I
think.
That's
that's
a
big.
A
big
point
with
most
people
in
here
is
what
you
can
do
with
the
wetland
how
you
getting
in
with
the
channel.
The
Planning
Commission
hasn't
got
to
roll
up
its
sleeves
on
what
we
do,
and
that
is
the
interior
of
this
of
this
project.
B
We
have
15
16
17
resolutions
that
the
developer
will
require
to
agree
to
before
we
move
forward
with
the
resolution.
I
think
at
this
point,
what
we'll
do
is
I'll
get
with
Jeff
and
Shane
and
we'll
kind
of
go
through
some
of
these.
These
areas
I
think,
first,
the
Lion
Commission's
going
to
have
some
questions
on
sidewalk.
We
still
we've
touched
on
them
earlier
and
we
keep
bouncing
back
to
the
wetlands
and
the
channels,
but
we
touched
on
what
we
do
is
sidewalks,
curb
gutter
drainage,
the
quality
control
structures
we'll
go
through.
B
Some
of
that
I
think
some
of
the
board
has
some
questions
and
some
concerns
with
the
developer
on
that.
With
that
I'll
turn
it
over
the
public
hearings
still
open,
I,
don't
want
to
close
in
case.
We
have
questions
for
anyone
else
out
there,
but
I
want
to
I
want
the
board
to
take
a
look
at
at
this
layout
and
determine
determine
what
questions
we
have
with
the
developer.
I
mean
you.
We
can
start
it
from
top
to
bottom
and
say
where
are
the
deal-breakers?
Let's
start
with
them
right
away
and
go?
B
AF
AF
We
will
be
really
happy
because
we
don't
want
to
see
that
that
change.
Didn't
anybody
put
it,
but
tonight
I
saw
an
easement
drawn
on
the
map
that
I
hadn't
seen
before,
and
it
brings
up
a
question.
I
have
we
talked
about
earlier
about
easements
or
access
now,
I
had
not
seen
it,
but
I
assume
that's
a
water
line
that
was
put
across
that
water.
That
area
is
that
right
right
is.
AD
I
AF
What
our
line
easement!
That's
an
easement
they're,
not
an
access,
I,
didn't
know
the
difference.
I
didn't
associate
the
difference
told
earlier
tonight,
so
that's
that's
an
easement,
and
then
we
want
to
also
echo
our
support
of
coming
in
from
the
north.
That
was
a
natural
waterway
and
I
would
hope.
AF
Bob
would
be
able
to
figure
out
a
way
to
consider
that,
rather
than
coming
through
our
channel,
we
have
some
prejudice
on
that
and
if
he
could
do
that,
it
would
make
everybody
and
Hidden
Valley
happy
and
we'd
hope
that
you
would
consider
having
him
look
at
that
again
and
see
if
that's
possibility.
So
those
are
the.
P
U
U
AA
Good
afternoon
my
name's
Ron
Shem,
it's
I,
live
in
863,
Hidden,
Valley,
Drive
and
I
am
on
the
channel
side.
I
was
the
one
that
coordinated
and
orchestrated
the
completion
of
the
seawalls
in
Hidden
Valley
in
2012,
and
then
we
dredged
it
out
in
the
spring
of
2013.
So
I
do
have
some
experience
with
channel
building
and
maintenance.
If
you
will
and
I
did
by
the
way,
get
all
the
permits
there
were
seven
of
them
in
total
to
do
that
project,
so
I'm
familiar
with
that
process.
AA
Also,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
to
what
Merlyn
said
is
that
I
know
how
disruptive
it
is
when
you
do
concrete
walls,
especially
as
it
comes
into
contact
with
like
Pesce
water
and
things
like
you
know,
we
put
in
coffer
dams
and
D
watered
our
channel.
We
put
in
silt
screens
across
the
mouth
of
the
channel.
What
I'm
saying
is
we
had
no
access
as
channel
owner
or
a
lot
of
owners
on
the
channel
to
boat
traffic
during
that
construction
phase?
AA
Now
we
did
it
very
late
in
the
fall
of
2012
November
of
2012
for
the
concrete
sea
walls,
and
then
we
did
the
dredging
in
the
spring
early
spring
of
2013,
meaning
minimal
disruption
to
boat
traffic
up
and
down
Hidden
Valley
Channel.
So
you
know
if
the
proposal
is
to
use
that
access
to
go
through
the
the
wetlands
and
use
that
current
access
there
will
be
points
of
disruption
for
boat
traffic
to
the
existing
lot
owners
in
Hidden
Valley.
So
just
want
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
B
Let's
go
over
over
the
design
plan
from
a
board
standpoint
as
to
what
you
guys
have
questions
with
anything
you
saw
that
was
submitted
to
us
as
far
as
Rhodes
Road
wet
slot
wet
slot
depths
sidewalks
trails,
any
issues
you
guys
have
with
the
plan
anything
you
want
to
talk
about,
because
when
we
make
a
motion,
the
motion
has
to
entail
everything
that
we
want
on
there.
If
we're
going
to
make
any
changes,
if
one
person
doesn't
like
something
and
votes
against
the
motion,
the
whole,
the
whole
project
can
come
to
a
screeching.
H
Halt
yeah
kind
of
just
say
a
few
words
Pat
yeah,
what
we
as
a
staff,
you
know
as
we
try
to
prepare
these
plans
or
we're
not
preparing
I'm
reviewing
this
plans
to
bring
forward
to
the
Commission.
H
One
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
and
we
kind
of
get
really
detailed
in
these
plans.
But
these
are
planned
concepts.
They
are
not
final
design,
things
and
I.
Think
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
all
of
the
concepts
are
addressed
and
concerns
that
impact
those
concepts,
but
ultimately
the
final
design
will
come
down
the
line
later
and
and
so
part
of
our
review.
You
know
we
rely
heavily
on
that
for
permit,
which
includes
the
corps
of
engineers,
all
of
the
state
game,
fish
and
parks
and
and
all
those
entities.
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
as
staff
are
gonna,
recommend
that
we
write
into
a
development
agreement
that
address
all
of
these
open-ended
things
that
we
can't
react
to
yet
because
we
haven't
seen
a
final
design
so
really
from
from
a
staff
standpoint,
we've
been
focusing
on
the
concepts
and
one
of
the
concepts
meet
certain
aspects
of
our
review
process
and
and
what
the
community
wants.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
when
you
weigh
in
on
these,
we
haven't
seen
final
designs.
Nor
will
we
for
quite
some
time
yet
and.
B
B
B
Or
an
adjustment
or
a
recommendation
from
us
and
what
will
happen
is
I'll
start
going
through
it
with
well
I'd
lets.
First
I
want
to
ask
the
board
I
still
think
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
the
overall
design
of
it.
Trails
versus
sidewalks
with
the
road
I
think
most
the
drainage
issues
we
can
I
get
as
Shane
I
have
here
that
the
one
of
the
maps
showed
some
drainage
facilities
and
I.
Don't
think
people
quite
understand
what
a
drainage
facility
is
yeah.
H
This
developments
a
little
bit
unique
in
that
it
does
all
of
the
land
currently
drains
almost
directly
to
the
lake
already,
and
so
typically
those
facilities
are
intended
to
be
detention
of
rain.
You
know
before
you
release
it
and
also
quality
control
things
and
really
there's
no
need
to
detain
any
water,
because
it's
essentially
what
water
that
flows
directly
into
the
lake,
but
it
is
important
to
maintain
certain
aspects
and
design
things.
H
But
but
we
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
detain
water
like
we
would
out
in
a
flatter
larger
portion,
a
tonne
and
and
that's
it
makes
this
site
a
little
bit
unique,
there's
just
not
room
to
realistically
store
water,
as
it
doesn't
have.
I
mean
it
essentially
there's
no
drainage
impact
on
anybody.
We're
not
gonna
flood
anybody
per
se.
H
Q
Everything's
gonna
want
to
run
south
and
there's
some
people
that
are
going
to
have
some
places
down
at
that
end
on
this
property,
but
also
on
the
property
to
the
south.
Will
they
end
up
with
with
a
three-inch
or
four
a
drain
with
all
with
some
I
mean
same
thing,
the
city's
worried
about
up
north
here
with
new
school
and
right.
H
B
U
H
A
way
yes,
because
anytime,
you
put
the
curb
and
gutter
on
it.
You're
then
now
channelizing
the
water
to
local
ice
spots,
so
you're
gonna
get
a
higher
flow
of
water,
quicker
to
those
low
points
that
you
create,
that
you
have
to
design
in
and
that's
where
actually
from
a
engineering
perspective
in
this
type
of
development,
I'm
willing
to
forego
curb
and
gutter
as
a
I
I
will
never
say
that
as
a
rule,
we
should
eliminate
curb.
But
in
this
development,
sheep
flow
of
water
is
actually
beneficial
to
all
those
properties.
B
I
Y
I
Will
have
a
light,
so
you
have
consequence
from
that.
Is
that
you
have
detention
with
that
pipe
because
it
does
matter
the
block
with
the
water,
but
yet
we'll
still
be
able
to
handle
this.
The
storm
runoff
flows
that
were
overlooking
yet
and
then
with
it
that
grass
channel
that
purse
whale
that
we
would
say
it
would
be
just
like
any
other
ditch
that
you
have
like
in
front
of
my
place.
I
live
out
there
in
fourth
Avenue
when
the
water
runs
through
that.
Did
you
know
that
the
grass
does
somewhat
filter
that
water,
but.
I
Still
have
these
water
control
arm
control
features
for
treating
the
waters.
When
we
get
to
the
to
the
to
these
areas
and
low
spots
denon
and
spots,
we
would
have
outlet
structures
in
there
to
you
know,
get
it
into
the
lake
as
for
the
high
flows
in
into
that,
but
then
flows
ended
in
them.
A
control
structures
would
have
pipes
coming
in
underneath
of
a
couple
feet
of
what
sand
and
peat
mixture
for
treating
that
water.
I
AD
I
J
F
When
this
development
was
first
proposed,
it
was
emphasized
as
such
a
rural
nature
and
all
this,
so
people
tried
to
sell
it
as
oh,
we
can
have
narrower
roads.
We
don't
need
to
have
all
our
infrastructure,
but
this
is
a
development
like
any
other
development
in
the
city
Watertown,
and
to
be
fair
to
all
the
other
developers
in
the
city
of
Watertown.
We
made
them
put
in
37-foot
roads
and
curb
and
gutter
and
sidewalks
and
I,
don't
see
why
we
should
you
know,
cut
a
deal
on
this
development.
F
I
mean
there's,
there's
61
acres
south
of
mr.
Arnold.
That's
for
sale
right
now.
Are
we
gonna
say?
Oh
you
don't
have
to
follow
the
rules
on
that
one
either.
I
still
think
we
should
have
the
37
foot
wide
streets.
We
should
have
sidewalks.
You
could
talk
a
little
farther
to
see
whether
curb
and
gutter
I
don't
know,
but
my
line
in
the
sand.
I
don't
think
a
bike
path
on
a
little
of
that
is
adequate
I
think
we
should
have
sidewalks
through
the
entire
and
37
foot
wide
streets.
I.
U
Think
that
there's
a
logical
argument,
argument
from
Shana
chaired
that
the
the
ditch
drainage
you
know
you
can
you
can
make
a
logical
arch
argument
for
that.
I.
Don't
think
that
there's
a
logical
argument
for
that
this
is
a
rural
development.
In
fact,
one
could
argue
that
this
is
actually
more
complex
than
than
many
developments
that
come
across,
so
I
would
be
inclined
also
with
the
37
foot
wide
roads.
Z
B
Mean
I
understand
what
I
have
the
same
thought
on
the
development
to
the
South
development
to
the
east
and
west.
We
have
curb
gutter,
sidewalks,
and
those
I
do
under
understand
that
this
well
I
can
see
the
water
going
through
that
and
the
water
being
held
up
and
slowed
down.
I've
had
areas
where
I
asked
fault
that
are
cemented
after
it
was
gravel,
and
it's
amazing
how
fast
the
water
can
move
through
a
concrete
pipe,
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
is
keep
that
water
as
clean
as
reasonably
possible
before
it
ends
up.
L
B
B
Z
B
Advantage
of
the
advantage
of
playing
both
sides
of
the
argument
is,
the
trails
are
in
the
last
sidewalk
gets
put
in
when
the
last
lot
gets
developed,
I
sidewalks
to
nowhere
on
19th
Street
have
driven
me
nuts
for
20
years
and
finally,
there's
no
sidewalks
to
nowhere
on
19th
Street
anymore.
The
advantage
of
that
you
know,
like
I,
said
playing
both
sides
of
the
argument.
B
Z
W
Z
M
W
Was
just
curious,
but
my
point
is
just
like
Pat
said:
the
sidewalk
kind
of
goes
nowhere
on
19th
I
would
much
rather
see
if
we're
gonna
go
with
a
trail
that
it
reach
up
to
your
commercial
lot
up
there
and
make
that
complete
loop.
So
if
someone
is
out
on
a
walk,
they
aren't
just
going
to
come
to
a
dead-end
and
have
to
turn
around
to
utilize
that
see
one
light
up.
There.
Z
W
H
C
The
problem
out
there,
Dan,
though
you
know
I,
agree
with
all
that,
but
that's
a
whole
different
place
out
there,
where
we
don't
want
the
more
hard
surface
we
have
out
there,
the
more
it's
gonna
run.
You
know
into
the
lake
I
come
from
I'm
the
president
of
glacier
or
a
pickerel
Lake
Southend
Association.
Over
there
we
still
have
gravel
roads
out
there.
We
got
ditches
and
that's
one
of
the
cleanest
lakes
in
the
state,
because
I
think
it's
kept
its
naturalism
out
there.
C
C
So
some
of
that's
got
to
be
stopped
when
they
do
that,
because
there's
no
drainage
system
out
there,
but
they're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
slow
it
down
out
there,
which
I
think
is
a
good
idea.
I,
don't
agree
on
the
the
street
sizes,
but
I
I
do
agree
on
that
that
ditch
system
that
they
were
talking
about
out
there,
because
I
think
that'll
help
out
a
whole
heck
of
a
lot.
V
I'm
Sharon
shineth
I
live
in
Hidden,
Valley
and
I
can't
remember.
Who
made
the
comment
about
you're
gonna
drive
in
there
and
you're
automatically
what
been
developed
up
there.
We
call
him
in
Hidden
Valley,
look,
he
looks
and
hadn't
always
been
there
a
long
time
and
wide
roads.
I
have
no
idea
how
wide
Hidden
Valley
is.
But
if
you
come
in
there
on
graduation,
you
can
barely
get
in
you're
in
it's
a
one-way
and,
and
you
hope
nobody
else
is
coming
the
other
way.
You
come
the
fourth
of
July.
It's
the
same
way.
V
Z
B
Thanks,
let's
Shane
and
Jeff,
let's
run
through
the
the
resolution
has
18
points
in
there
of
items
that
need
to
be
included
in
the
development
agreement.
Let's
run
through
them
one
by
one
we
should
be
able
to
move
quickly
through
them,
I'll
read
them
Jeff
and
I'll.
Ask
you
will
ask
you
the
clarification
on
it.
Item
number
one
was
the
property
that
these
are
things
that
have
to
be
included
in
the
development
agreement
that
the
developer
must
sign
before
anything
can
move
forward.
The
first
thing
is:
the
property
has
to
be
plaited
within
three
years.
B
If
we
go
through
all
this
process,
agree
to
everything
he
signs
the
agreement
and
never
takes
the
plat
up
and
has
it
registered
it
reverts
back
to
what
it
was.
That's
simple
enough
item
number
two,
a
stony
point
drive
shall
be
installed
from
the
Prairie
Hills
end
of
Stoney
Point
Drive
called
the
sac
and
phase
one
of
the
construction
of
a
development,
including
the
portion
located
front
of
Stoney
Point.
Second
addition:
the
developer
must
agree
to
maintain
and
provide
snow
removal
on
any
gravel
streets
as
private
streets.
H
Go
I
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
one
now,
in
this
review,
of
course,
we're
looking
primarily
at
what
is
actually
included
in
the
footprint
of
Stoney
Point
third
edition,
the
road
that
was
just
referred
to
lays
outside
of
Stoney
Point
third
edition
and
has
a
whole
different
path
to
approval.
And
we've
discussed
that
a
little
bit
with
the
developer
and
his
engineer
that
we
agree
to
the
concept,
but
there's
certain
aspects
of
that
road
and
its
design
and
impacts
on
the
property
that
it's
going
to
be
purchased
or
owned.
So.
B
So
basically,
what
that
does
is
what
we're
going
through
is
the
top
half
of
that
block
the
road
that
snakes
through
there?
It's
included
in
the
development
agreement,
but
the
the
exact
dynamics
of
that
road
are
to
be
determined
at
a
later
correct.
Okay,
item
number
3
of
the
developer
shall
at
an
altar
it
will
shall
shall
install
an
alternative
trail
system
is
shown
in
the
improved
preliminary
plan
in
lieu
of
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
B
The
alternative
trail
system
must
be
installed
in
conjunction
with
Stony
Point
Drive
and
from
a
board
member
standpoint.
Once
we
go
through
these
a
person.
Can
you
know
we
can
talk,
is
a
board
and
say
we
want
to
scratch
this
change
this.
We
can
make
modifications
on
this
on
this
sheet,
and
then
this
sheet
is
part
of
the
motion
as
to
what
we
approve
or
disapprove
so
so
item
number
three:
is
the
trails
versus
sidewalks
issue?
B
Item
number
four
no
plat
will
be
recorded
into
the
park.
Dedication
requirement
has
been
met
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
park
board
in
accordance
with
ordinance
section
fourteen
point,
O
one
to
O
and
defined
by
the
development
agreement.
What
that
means
is
in
any
in
any
development
there
needs
to
be
park,
dedication
that
needs
to
be
approved
by
the
Park
Board
and
that
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
work
in
progress.
The
park
board
hasn't
seen
this
particular
plot
yet,
and
what
happens
is
the
part?
B
No
plat
can
be
recorded
until
the
developer
in
the
park
board
agree
to
where
the
park
dedication
is,
or
in
this
case,
block
three
over
there.
In
that
wetland
may
play
in
on
item
number
four
that'll
be
down.
The
road
item.
Number
five
is
that
the
developer
is
required
to
obtain
all
s.
D
D
and
our
stormwater
permits
that's
standard
in
everything.
B
B
Fish
and
parks
have
issued
permits
which
would
allow
the
creation
of
the
proposed
channel
item
number
seven
I
think
we
went
over
six
extensively
item
number:
seven:
the
developers
required
to
entered
into
a
development
line
agreement
or
I'm
sorry,
a
development
agreement
with
the
city
to
include
the
installation
of
required
public
improvements
to
stony
point
drive,
honk
potty
circle,
the
maintenance
and
ingress
egress
easements
between
Lots.
Two
three
is
still
any
point:
will
you
pull
that
one
up
and
explain
what
that
one
is.
E
It's
it's
saying
that
the
the
developer
is
responsible,
for
you
know
installing
the
the
roads.
You
know
this.
This
is
Stony
Point
Drive,
the
main
one,
and
then
this
is
hung
potty
circle,
that's
the
name
of
the
cul-de-sac
and
then
the
the
easement
that's
mentioned.
Is
this
easement
and
the
that
needed
to
be
a
secondary
route
for
ingress
and
egress
for
safety
concerns
anytime?
There's
a
development
that
has
more
than
a
potential
of
30
units,
and
you
have
to
look
at
like
a
our
three,
for
example,
to
have
a
12,
Plex
or
more.
E
You
know
so
like
this.
This
whole
area
has
the
potential
for
more
than
30
units.
There
needs
to
be
two
ways
in
and
out
according
to
fire
code,
and
obviously
Stony
Point
Drive
is
is
one
of
them,
but
then
this
easement
would
be
the
other
one,
so
they
have
to
agree
to
keep
make
sure
that's
maintained
and
usable
in
case
of
emergency.
If
thank.
B
You
item
number
eight.
The
developer
shall
be
responsible
for
maintaining
the
gravel
ingress
egress
easement,
so
that
emergency
access
access
vehicles
are
assured
at
all
times.
That's
that
side,
one
that
comes
over
from
South
Lake
Drive
like
we
said,
that's
so
that
in
the
event
of
an
emergency,
if
there's
a
fire
on
the
south
end
of
that
property,
the
north
people
can
still
get
out
number
nine
water
quality
control
facilities
will
be
designed
and
contract
and
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
city's
BMP
manual.
B
M
B
E
B
That's
saying
any
water,
that's
coming
from
that
property.
If
it
ends
up
on
someone
else's
property
they
need
to,
they
need
to
have
an
easement
that
would
safely
convey
a
hundred-year
flood
that
that's
protecting
the
property
owners
on
all
sides
that
one
property
owners
not
dumping,
all
their
water
onto
the
other
yeah.
H
And
in
this
case,
there's
still
concerns,
but
typically
what
that
item
addresses
is
when
you
run
a
large
storm,
say
you
collected
it
all
in
a
storm
sewer
system,
and
you
were
just
dumping
it
out
of
one
pipe
towards
somebody
else.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
metered
so
where
they
that
someone
else
is
on
receiving
a
portion
of
that
water
overtime,
not
just
getting
it
all
shoved
on
them
at
once,
so
that
it's
still
important
to
have
in
here,
but
it's
a
lot
less
significant
from
a
standpoint.
H
B
You
number
twelve
no
building
permits
will
be
issued
until
the
road
is
constructed
through
the
Prairie
Hills.
Second
Prairie
Hills
development.
Second,
addition
I
want
to
clarify
something
on
this,
as
is
this
is
basically
saying
we're
not
going
to
issue
any
building
permits
until
that
roads
constructed
the
level
of
construction.
In
many
cases,
we
like
a
gravel
road
for
a
while,
so
it
can
settle.
Is
this
road
considered?
No
building
permits
will
be
issued
until
the
gravel
road
is
constructed
or
a
paved
road.
H
Well,
the
level
of
service,
of
course,
depends
on
what
activities
up
there.
Ultimately,
if
there's
occupancies,
given
that
that's
gonna
trigger
probably
a
paved
road
sooner.
In
other
words,
if
all
of
the
lots
are
under
construction,
but
there's
nobody
living
up
there,
the
life
safety
aspect
of
getting
the
fire
department
and
the
ambulance
up
there
is
a
lot
lower
than
after.
It's
starts
to
finish.
So
that's
the
point
of
time.
H
B
H
B
H
B
Again,
that's
something
why
we
put
it
in
the
development
agreement,
the
development
agreement
in
a
perfect
world.
There
wouldn't
be
any
items
on
here
and
everything
would
be
in
stone
and
we
would
leave
less
up.
We
put
less
burden
on
our
city
staff
to
make
the
call
on
this.
In
this
particular
situation,
we
probably
have
a
lot
more
than
normal
on
here,
but
a
lot
of
that
expertise.
We
leave
at
the
staff
level.
I
know
number
13.
B
The
development
agreement
shall
address
any
maintenance
activities
that
will
occur
within
any
wetland
and
shall
be
spelled
out
and
and
shall
spell
out
a
wetland
mitigation
plan
identifying
the
amount
of
the
amount
and
location
of
any
wetland
that
shall
be
created.
You
know
I
explained
that
chain
yeah.
H
We
put
that
in
there.
Of
course,
it's
open-ended
because
we
don't
know
what
the
404
recommendations
are
going
to
be
so,
in
other
words,
the
the
alignment
of
this
channel
entrance,
for
instance,
greatly
impacts
what
that's
actually
going
to
be
so
we're
kind
of
leaving
that
in
there
to
be
your
cover,
our
soles.
So.
B
E
B
T
M
B
E
B
B
The
reason
16
was
added
in
is:
there
are
some
existing
agreements
that
we
didn't
know
about
until
late
in
the
game,
between
the
developer
of
Prairie
Hills
and
the
developer
of
stony
point
second
edition
as
to
exactly
how
we're
how
where
and
when
that
road
will
be
constructed
there
and
we're
comfortable
with
that.
Well,
we
may
we
may
tackle
that
at
a
later
date,
or
it
might
be,
might
not
be
necessary.
Yeah.
H
And
I
I
didn't
want
to
blindside
the
developer
in
his
engineer,
but
that's
exactly
right.
We
didn't
know
that
there
were
previous
commitments
in
that
agreement
to
purchase
the
land
and
construct
a
road
on
there.
So
we
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
as
a
staff,
review
that
and
incorporate
the
design
through
that
segment
to
accommodate
what
was
agreed
to
or
or
any
modifications
thereof
that
come
forward
out
of
this
process
as
well.
B
H
We
just
received
this
week,
and
so
there
was
a
few
details
that
kind
of
got
left
out
or
missed,
and
all
I'm
asking
for
there
is
that
the
plans
get
fine-tuned
a
little
bit,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
record
plans
that
that
go
forward
or
stay
in
in
this
process
are
accurate.
I,
don't
want
something.
That's
kind
of
got
a
few
little
glitches
here,
they're
to
be
construed
as
meaning.
M
B
You
Anne
item
number
18,
the
typical
section
of
the
16-foot
wide
emergency
route
and
Rec
trail
shall
have
three
inches
of
asphalt
over
nine
inches
of
base
trail.
That
happens
to
be
that
trail
that
crosses
through
blocks
one
and
two.
It's
actually
part
of
the
walking
trail,
but
it
doubles
as
that
emergency
route.
That's
the
escape
route
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
for
the
north,
half
of
that
development.
B
B
AE
AE
Doesn't
involve
his
development
I
understand
that
he
owns
some
of
the
Lots
that
are
right
on
that
property
I
invite
any
of
you
to
come
out
and
look
at
my
property.
I
am
very
disappointed
in
the
way
the
runoff
is
occurring
and
what
is
happening
to
my
property.
What
is
happening
to
my
people
in
my
campground
because
of
the
development
III,
you
are
the
experts.
I'm
not
I,
have
to
abide
by
what
you're
going
to
say
and
what
you're
going
to
do
and
I
will
respect
those.
If
I
can.
Thank
you,
while.
I
I
Do
here,
Pat
is
bring
the
water
down
here.
We're
gonna,
put
a
culvert
right
in
here
and
intercept
us
and
we're
gonna
put
all
they
call
a
ditch
Bock
in
there
to
prevent
that
water
from
going
down
there
yeah.
We
are
raising
this
great
through
here
and
we're
also
putting
a
little
berm
on
this
side
with
a
little
soil
in
between
to
get
the
water
down
to
here
and
then
come
across
with
it
and
the
same
way
here
with
this
pipe
putting
in
here
we're
gonna
bring
the
water
down
this
size
to
come
in.
B
I
I
I
B
I
U
I
H
Rod,
rod
scene
all
right.
The
construction
work
that's
going
on
now
is
actually
in
the
previous
stony
point.
Addition
correct,
that's
correct
right,
so
I
mean
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
avoid
the
same
issue
from
reoccurring
for
mrs.
Williams
all
correct.
AG
Brad
Johnson
with
the
Lake
Camp
Asaka
water
project
district,
and
we
just
learned
some
more
about
drainage
plans
that
were
not
aware
of
before.
Now
you
bring
in
drainage
artificially
down
into
that
area,
because
you
know,
in
contrast
to
your
statement
earlier,
that
we're
not
going
to
create
any
more
drainage
coming
off
of
this
lot,
we're
actually
creating
quite
a
bit
more
because
now,
we've
created
a
channel
coming
all
the
way
back
in
and
we're
routing
all
the
flows
into
that
channel.
AG
So
when
it
comes
in
quickly
mm-hmm
in
a
hundred
year
event
from
the
lake
compassed
Water
District
standpoint,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
water
control
facilities
are
big
enough
to
handle
a
100-year
event,
because
the
100-year
impact
goes
straight
into
the
lake
and
that's
our
concern
and
now
we're
going
to
bring
it
down
from
a
commercial
lot
which
are
going
to
have
pervious
parking.
So
you've
got
issues
that
we
are
concerned
about,
that
we
want
to
make
sure
are
clearly
addressed
by
the
timing,
gets
developed.
H
H
Anything
that
exceeds
that
one-inch
rain
is
not
designed.
I
mean
those
controls
are
not
designed
to
contain
the
larger
storm
events,
it's
actually
for
the
low
flow,
small
events,
and
so
that's
what
these
water
quality
facilities
are
really
made
for
now,
when
you
start
to
talk
about
the
detention
level
of
storm
water
management,
that
is
intended
to
hold
the
larger
events
and
prevent
areas
from
flooding
and
then
we're
not
really
worried
about
flooding
in
this
development.
H
Treatment
for
a
watery
quality
treatment
they
can't
nobody
can
build
a
facility
big
enough
to
Lake
Camp
Eska
is
a
100-year
storage
facility,
but
for
the
water
quality
you
want
to
take
care
of
the
everyday.
Like
the
showers
we've
been
getting,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
treated
and
released
adequately.
B
All
right
from
a
board
standpoint
that
those
are
those
are
the
items
on
the
resolution
as
far
as
this,
if
there's
any
details
in
that
plan,
we
want
to
discuss
with
the
developer
and
have
him
agree
to
change
before
we
vote,
because
when
we
vote
we're
voting
on
the
resolutions
plus
any
of
any
additional
modifications,
we're
gonna
request
him
to
make
on
his
preliminary
plan
and
with
that
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
let
the
board
talk
directly
to
the
developer.
If
they
have
a
question.
B
Three
I
think
we
can.
We
can
lean
on
the
side
of
the
parking
rack
board
for
that.
Luckily,
I'm,
the
vice
president
of
that
board,
will
meet
on
Tuesday
and
I'll,
bring
that
up
to
them.
There's
been
some
discussion
of
of
working
with
the
developer
in
regard
to
where
the
park
dedication
is
going
to
be,
or
will
there'll
be
a
cash
in
lieu
of
the
park.
Dedication
and
maybe
block
three
can
come
into
that
conversation.
B
F
Know,
and
also
to
after
hearing
the
latest
issues
on
the
runoff
and
everybody's,
going
to
develop
these
Lots
and
they're
all
going
to
have
a
really
nice
green
grass
and
they're
gonna
fertilize
that
grass
and
it's
gonna
rain.
It's
gonna
run
into
the
lake
and
if
the
all
that
run
runs
right
into
the
fishery
habitat
area,
that's
not
going
to
be
good
for
the
fish.
So
maybe
I
would
like
to
see
when
we
make
this
recommendation
that
we
strongly
recommend
the
City
Council
that
they
look
at
in
North,
channel
access.
U
B
Jeff,
will
you
pull
that
one
there's
we
have
a.
We
have
a
map
that
shows
exactly
how
much
of
those
Lots
those
three
north-south
Lots,
how
much
of
that
actually
protrudes
into
the
wetland
and
I.
Actually,
when
I
was
on
the
had
a
conversation
with
game,
fish
and
parks
today
that
came
up
and
and
I
asked
that
I
said
well,
what
can
they
do?
B
He
said
they
can't
do
anything
they
have
to
do
the
exact
see
that's
how
much
of
the
land
that
the
the
the
yellow
line
there
that's
how
much
of
their
Lots
actually
protrude
into
the
wetland,
one
of
those
two
of
those
Lots.
It's
virtually
none
one
of
those
Lots
at
bends.
In
there
a
little
bit,
which
means
they'd,
have
cattails
kind
of
up
against
their
their
back
edge
of
their
yard
before
they
could
do
any
shoreline
restoration
of
any
sort.
They
need
the
same
permits
from
Game
and
Fish.
B
H
Thing
to
consider
is
whether
a
buffer
is
appropriate
there
to
you
know,
maybe
have
them
use
a
different
kind
of
vegetation
in
the
last
ten
feet
or
so
right,
right,
abutting,
those
wetlands,
maybe
I
mean
say
that
again,
maybe
a
buffer
of
some
sort-
that's
not
typical
lon
should
be,
could
be
entertained.
There
I
mean
you
know,
don't
do
bluegrass
right
to
the
water's
edge,
maybe
have
a
ten
foot
buffer
of
some
other
vegetation
that
protects.
U
H
W
Okay,
the
ugly
one
of
sidewalks
again
I
the
commercial
light
up
there,
I
guess
that
was
always
a
bone
of
contention
with
me
from
the
other
development
you're
going
to
have
that
up
there.
We
need
the
wide
street
to
accommodate
that
and
I
guess.
I
can't
help
but
feel
that
people
that
live
at
the
lake
would
like
to
take.
A
nice
stroll
too
till
go
get
their
their
evening
meal
or
whatever.
W
So
I
really
would
like
to
see
if
I
I'm
I'm
torn
on
the,
whether
it's
a
path
or
if
it's
a
sidewalk
I
guess
if
we're
gonna
make
the
other
one.
Do
a
sidewalk
I
think
conformity
would
be
good,
but
I'd
really
like
to
see
that
at
least
loupe
up
to
the
up
and
around
follow
Stony
Point
Drive,
whether
it's
concrete
or
asphalt.
AG
AF
B
U
B
B
E
Ordinary
because
that's
where,
as
was
mentioned,
anything
lower
than
that
is
property
of
the
lake
and
then
from
there
I
recalculated
the
area
and
then
found
the
the
mean
I
took
the
area
divided
by
the
length
and
I
get
the
mean
width
and
for
all
of
the
lots,
except
for
a
lot
9.
They
all
had
higher
than
the
the
mean
width
of
75
feet
lot.
9
was
around
68
and
a
half
feet
of
mean
width,
so
that
was
the
only
one
that
was
but.
E
B
O
I
think
we
can
like,
with
a
letter
of
assurance
or
whatever
document,
that
the
Planning,
Commission
and
City
Council
recommend
be
included
as
part
of
the
the
approval
process.
I
think
we
can
put
language
in
there.
That's
recording
the
chain
of
title
that
says
none
of
the.
If
that's
the
direction
the
Planning
Commission
wants,
is
that
none
of
these
Lots
be
eligible
to
make
application
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
for
any
type
of
variance
is.
U
U
In
fact,
I
would
I
would
daresay
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
based
upon
your
wits
of
the
lot,
so
the
square
footage
or
how
deep
they
are
really
is
irrelevant
relative
to
again
the
typical
variances
that
you
know
the
Board
of
Adjustment
sees
relative.
As
you
know,
someone
wants
to
build
onto
their
house
or
they
want
to
put
a
detached
garage
on.
You
know
immediately
you're
into
the
variance
if.
O
And
another,
going
back
to
the
question
that
whoever
put
to
me
about-
maybe
it
was
you
mark
that
puts
it
Pat
I,
think
another
place.
You
could
request
that
it
be
included.
A
restriction
on
on
seeking
variances
in
the
future
is
on
any
covenants
that
mr.
Drake
alluded
to
would
be
included
as
part
of
this
development.
You
could
you
could
ask
that
they
that
those
being
that
that
language
be
included
in
the
covenants
as
well,
because
those
will
get
recorded
at
the
Register
of
Deeds
office
as
well
as
anything
this
board
approves,
is.
O
I
think,
if
that's
the
direction
that
the
foot
that
the
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council
are
going
to
go,
I
think
it's
only
fair
to
the
developer.
Tell
when
he's
marketing
these
Lots
people,
who
are
potential
buyers,
know
if
I
buy
this
I'm
gonna
have
to
live
with
the
zoning
requirements
and
not
be
eligible
to
seek
variance
relief
for
anything.
O
B
No
I
think
it
would
only
be
on
the
lots.
That's
minimum
width
is
less
than
75
feet.
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
that
if
I
have
a
75
or
a
hundred
foot
lot
that
I'm
handcuffed
any
differently
than
someone
else's
anywhere
in
town.
I
can
look
and
say:
okay,
you
know
if
it's
60
foot
on
the
tail
end
on
the
on
the
back
side,
there,
the
rear
yard
is
60
feet.
We
we
basically
have
approved
a
lot,
that's
less
than
the
minimum
in
width,
but
it's
above
the
minimum
in
area.
F
I'd
like
to
make
another
comment
that
I
just
realized
this,
but
earlier
tonight
we
had
a
large
well
discussion
about
r1
r2
r3,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
people
here
a
month
ago
that
didn't
like
the
fact
that
we're
putting
our
1
right
next
to
our
3.
And
if
you
look
at
this
diagram,
we
have
our
1
right
across
from
r3.
So
is
that
going
to
be
a
bone
of
contention
another
you
know
what.
B
Is
what
he's
getting
at
there
Bob
is
that
we
normally
try
to
buffer
r3
with
our
2
in
this
particular
development?
It's
you
know
it's.
It's
not
like
we're
coming
in
after
r1
homes
have
already
been
built
and
then
we're
gonna
rezone
to
our
3
I
mean
here
it's
the
way
the
the
preliminary
plan
was
drawn
up
and
in
the
way
the
developer
wanted
it
drawn
up.
So
my
opinion
is,
you
know
we
have.
B
We
do
have
our
1
across
the
channel
from
r3,
the
any
of
the
r1
over
on
the
Hidden
Valley
site
is
buffered
by
that
wetland,
the
only
area
you
know
we
have
r2
at
the
bottom
up
against
Prairie
Hills,
which
is
probably
our
one
yeah.
We
have
our
three
right
next
to
our
one,
I
guess,
John
pointed
out
right
there
and
block
to
the
one
thing
you
know.
B
I
would
hope
that
anyone
who
buys
the
Lots
out
there
understands
what
the
zoning
is
around
them
and
in
you
know
we're
not
doing
it
after
the
fact
we're
doing
it
long
before
the
fact
so
again,
I
you,
you
kind
of
look
and
go
it's
someone's
property
and
want
to
develop
it
and
they
kind
of
want
to
have
a
little
bit
of
their
own
flavor
as
to
what
they
want
to
do
with
it.
So
we
believe
her.
Now
we
try
to
get
close
to
that,
but
it
doesn't
always
look
that
way.
L
B
W
Go
ahead
run,
oh
sorry,
with
the
curb
and
gutter
issue.
Is
there
I
know
the
runoff
that
we're
talking
about
any
chance
of
with
a
with
the
curb
and
gutter,
actually
dropping
it
into
its
own
and
I
know.
This
sounds
really
crazy,
but
into
its
own,
holding
pond
its
own
septic
or
whatever
they're,
trying
to
say
street
retaining
pond,
and
then
it
can
be.
You
know
separate
from
the
city.
Well,.
H
The
purpose
of
curbing
gutter
is
to
manage
the
runoff
from
the
street
surface,
of
course,
and
and
actually
kind
of
defines
the
edge
of
the
road
in
some
aspects,
but
once
you
channelize
that
water
off
the
road,
then
that
will
trigger
a
larger
need
for
detention
ponds,
and
you
know
different
conveyance
features
for
water
discharging
off
of
this
development.
So
that's
why
you
know
contrary
to
our
normal
standards.
If
we
go
away
from
the
curb
there's,
probably
some
benefits
versus
challenges
with
regard
to
that
right.
W
B
Any
other
questions
I
have
one
question
for
for
Dennis
I
see
in
the
back.
You
know
one
of
the
things.
If
you
can
come
up
there,
I
there
are
or
shoot
you
a
microphone,
though.
The
one
thing
we
struggle
with
is
hey.
We've
got
other
developments
around
that
do
have
curb
gutter
maximum
City.
You
know
the
standard
city
streets.
B
We're
gonna
forego
the
curb
and
gutter,
possibly
because
we
think
it
can
it's
a
better
way
of
moving
the
water
through
there.
Your
thoughts
you're,
a
developer
who
developed
to
the
south
and
did
it
the
way.
You
were
told
to
do
your
thoughts
on
on
that
because
it's
like
Dan
said
we're
going
to
hear
back
from
every
other
developer
around
and
every
future
developer.
That's
going
to
say:
I
want
to
do
it
that
way
to.
G
G
You
need
to
have
you
want
to
have,
and
you
need
to
have
the
ability
to
plan
your
property
the
way
you'd
like
to
plan
it,
because
everybody
has
a
vision
for
what
their
property
should
and
what
they'd
like
to
have
it
look
like
so
I
think
that's
important
and
I
did
that
I
still
have
a
vision,
and
it's
still
coming
to
fruition.
This
is
changing.
It
can't
deny.
This
is
change.
G
And
I
spent
a
lot
of
money
out
there
that
this
developer
is
not
gonna
have
to
spend
I
spent
a
lot
of
money
out
there
now
was
it
right,
probably
not
I
wish
I
didn't
have
curb
and
gutter
in
Prairie,
Hills,
Avenue
I
think
it
would
probably
be
a
little
more
of
a
country,
rural
setting.
If
it
didn't
but
I,
but
I
did
it,
you
can
name
every
other
developer
in
town
has
had
to
do
that
in
this
setting
up
there.
G
Ok
with
that,
is
it
fair,
probably
not,
but
does
it
make
sense,
yeah
I,
guess
it
does
I'm
open-minded
the
one
thing
that
I
want
in
my
development
and
I
can
only
I
can
only
dictate
what
happens
to
my
north
property
line,
but
I
do
have
the
authority
and
the
decision
and
the
way
that
that
road
looks
how
it's
designed
the
ultimate
decision
on
that
road
I
have
the
control.
That's
in
writing.
G
I
have
I
have
to
approve
the
design
and
everything
about
that
road
with
Boulevard
trees
and
reseeding
and
pond
restructuring
that
all
at
some
points
have
to
come
to
me
and
and
we'll
work
together,
certainly
but
but
I
do
have
say,
and
what
that
road
will
look
like
I
kind
of
lost,
saying
a
lot
of
things
here,
but
I'm.
Ok,
if
that's
what
the
developer
wants,
but
to
that
north
property
line
I
want
it
to
look
the
same.
I
want
Prairie
Hills
to
be
the
way
I
envisioned
it
to
be
I
want
that
that
road.
G
If
it
makes
good
sense-
and
it
seems
like
it
does
not
to
have
curb
and
gutter
yeah
you'll
hear
back
from
six
or
seven
other
developers
in
town
and
every
developer
in
town
has
had
to
put
curb
and
gutter
and
sidewalks,
and
every
single
one
of
us
have
had
to
do
it
every
one
of
them
and
now
you're
letting
one
come
in
and
not
do
it
so
yeah.
If
you
vote
not
let
him
do
it.
Let
them
do
it
I'm
not
opposed
to
that.
G
B
H
Items
go
ahead,
Shane
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing
and
we,
as
a
staff,
are
reviewing
these
things,
like
you
said
earlier,
based
on,
what's
being
proposed
to
us,
we're
not
gonna
as
a
staff
either
go
forward
wholesale
e
selling
out
what
our
obligations
are
through.
The
ordinances
and
the
policies
of
the
city.
I
mean
sorry.
This
is
a
request
to
change
the
normal
cross
section
of
a
street.
So
that's
what
we're
considering
here.
H
We
we
will
continue
to
request
and
pursue
curb
and
gutter
37-foot
white
streets
and
sidewalks,
as
we
always
do,
but
we
also
have
to
at
least
entertain
these
through
this
process
for
alternate
design
concepts,
and
so
I
won't
say
that
we're
not
gonna
have
this
come
back
forward.
This
type
of
development
again
one
thing
we've
discussed
as
a
staff
and
beyond
is
actually
wondering
if
a
lake
district
is
warranted
that
doesn't
necessarily
include
a
mandatory
curb
and
gutter
have.
B
B
M
L
H
Is,
if
that's
something
that
we
think
we
need
for
the
city
to
have
a
new
development
area
that
would
around
the
lake?
Specifically,
that
would
change
our
typical
design,
we're
going
to
do
that,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
it
quickly
or
as
a
knee-jerk
reaction
to
this
development.
It's
going
to
be
have
a
lot
of
forethought
discussion
and
input
from
the
public
before
that
would
ever
come
to
fruition,
but
that
may
be
something
you'll
see
come
from
our
staff
in
the
future.
One.
B
H
Okay,
so
whatever
provisions
are
brought
forward
through
this
boat
will
be
included
in
their
preliminary
plan.
Then
what
they
have
to
do
is
take
that
and
incorporate
all
the
provisions
that
are
presented
to
them
and
challenges
and
come
forward
with
a
final
plan
and
we'll
have
a
development
agreement
that
highlights
these
items
that
they
need
to
sign
and
ultimately,
the
city
signs
off
then
on
the
development,
through
the
development
agreement
and
the
final
plat,
how
this
facilities
gonna
function
and
what
this
ultimately,
the
you
know.
H
U
P
M
H
Those
a
three
faceted
question
I'll
try
to
answer
it
naturally,
but
in
this
instance
it
is
a
unique
request.
I,
don't
know
that
I
could
say
that
the
curb
and
gutter
would
have
the
benefit
that
it
would
normally
have
and
any
other
development,
because
really
that's
the
collect,
convey
you
know
a
public
street,
and
in
this
case
this
is
a
public
street,
but
by
an
in
effect
of
having
this
ditch
system.
H
That
does
add
some
type
of
water,
quality
control
and
controlled
runoff
that's
different
than
a
standard
street,
so
it
does
fit
this
particular
site
better,
because
the
site
tends
to
drain
directly
to
the
lake
or
or
other
areas
instead
of
collecting
it
and
others
we're
not
collecting
it
and
running
it
into
another
whole
nother
neighborhood,
which
that's
really
what
curb
and
gutter
controls
how
things
are
collected
and
where
the
water
runs
eventually,
but
in
this
case
it's
going
almost
directly
to
the
lake.
So
it's
kind
of
a
difficult
question
to
answer
then.
G
Asked
me
for
and
I
don't
know
on
the
kerbin
gutter
on
Prairie
Hills
I
would
like
to
see
curb
and
gutter
in
Prairie
Hills.
That's
the
way
the
development
was
started
and
I
would
prefer
not
to
have
a
mixed
match
of
some
curb
and
gutter,
and
some
not
I'd
like
to
see
curb
and
gutter
continued
on
the
new
road
going
up
a
sidewalk
coming
up
to
it
on
both
sides
in
sidewalk
going
up.
So
that
is
my
vision
of
what
my
develop
look
like.
G
B
Yeah
and
Dennis
I
think
item
number
16,
where
we
put
in
if
I'm,
not
correct
Shane.
The
final
approved
preliminary
plan
shall
be
revised
to
exclude
any
development
within
Prairie
Hills
development.
Second
edition:
a
revised
preliminary
plan
for
Prairie
Hills
second
edition
shall
be
submitted
and
show
the
location
in
the
layout
of
Stoney
Point
Drive.
So
basically,
that's
a.
We
put
that
in
there
that
item
number
16
as
Stony
Point
Drive
goes
through
Prairie
Hills
when
we
say
37
feet
no
kerbin
together.
That
does
not
apply
to
the
press.
B
F
To
attempt
a
motion,
a
motion
that
we
approve
our
resolution
to
0
1
5
3
4,
with
the
exceptions
that
we
have
37
foot
streets
and
sidewalks
on
both
sides,
place
a
ban
on
variances
on
Lots
less
than
75
feet
and
include
that
ban
in
any
covenant
that
those
Lots
contained
and
also
that
we
recommend
that
the
City
Council
walk
very
strongly.
Eddie
Northlake
access
for
the
channel
I.
B
B
Any
old
business
new
business
we
had
a
discussion.
Can
we
can
we
carry
that
discussion
item
into
our
next
meeting
on
the
home
occupation
regulations?
Anybody
got
problem
that,
but
we're
not
even
open
it.
It's
no
executive
session,
a
demotion
and
then
in
a
second
to
adjourn
by
mr.
Stein.
Second,
by
mrs.
Johnson,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries.