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B
C
A
Mark
Stein
will
be
late.
He
has
a
United
Way
meeting
when
he
gets
here
if
they
could
make
a
note
that
he'll
be
here.
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
9
19
mm
15
minutes
could
get
a
motion
in
a
second
motion
by
mr.
stone
burger
second
by
mr.
McGuire,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda.
C
The
zoning
ordinance
and
contingent
upon
compliance
with
the
specific
rules
got
individual
governing
individual
conditional
uses
and
other
conditions
aboard
may
seem
deem
necessary.
Car
wash
automatic
car
wash
is
a
listed
conditional
use
in
the
c3
zone.
The
property
is
also
subject
to
compliance
with
the
gateway
overlay,
district
off
street
parking,
loading
requirements,
landscape
and
lighting
standards
and
outdoor
sign
and
advertising.
The
board
must
determine
sat
effect,
satisfactory
provisions.
An
arrangement
has
been
made
concerned.
C
The
property
is
also
in
the
shallow
aquifer
and
it's
meeting
those
requirements.
That's
all
right:
the
property,
laksa
standard,
Boulevard
requirements
and
infrastructure,
but
we
do
have
a
landscape
plan
and
this
condition
of
the
thing
they
have
not
requested
any
variance
to
that
all
landscape
requirements
will
be
met
so
basically
they're
just
gonna
go
and.
D
E
F
C
A
C
Of
course,
these
two
buildings
are
existing
and
you
see
they're
the
post
carwash
to
this
structure
here.
They're
also
gonna
do
an
addition
on
this
building.
It
doesn't
need
no
special
conditions
that
meets
all
the
requirements
doesn't
have
to
come
before
you
again
this.
This
could
get
tweaked
a
little
bit
as
to
how
it
actually
sits
here,
but
in
general
this
is
gonna,
be
it
is
a
proposal
if
for
the
cars
to
come
on
this
end
circle
and
come
back
through
and
go
back
out
the
existing
same
way,
so
this
is
just
conditional
use.
A
An
issue
what
so,
okay
with
that
I'll
open
the
public
hearing,
if
anyone's
here,
to
speak
on
behalf
rate
against
the
conditional
use
again,
the
reason
this
is
a
conditional
use
is
because
any
it's
just
one
of
those
listed
things
that
we
like
to
take
a
peek
at
before.
It's
finished
right.
My
concerns
on
it
were:
which
direction
are
those
garage
doors
facing?
We
don't
like
them
facing
the
street
they're
facing.
B
A
A
B
A
C
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C
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F
F
H
A
So
move
motion
by
mr.
Albertson
second
by
mr.
Johnson,
any
other
discussion.
Any
questions
for
anyone
seem
none
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
Moe's
motion
carries
item
3
on
the
agenda
is
an
applicant
Ben
Peterson
conditional
use,
permit
number
163
65,
seeks
conditional
use
and
appeals
zoning
condition
for
a
structure
in
a
c1
commercial
district,
215
1st
Avenue
Southwest.
C
Financed
for
free
financing
pursuant
to
the
conditional
use
21:24,
oh
three
applicant,
seeks
the
ability,
in
the
event
of
a
casualty
to
rebuild
the
existing
Bank
form
structure,
single-family
dwelling
in
the
c1
community,
commercial
district
contingent
upon
specific
rules
and
other
conditions
currently
applicant
terms
of
the
following
section
of
the
zone,
21:04
buildings
destroyed
by
casually
six.
It
cannot
be
rebuilt
again.
This
is
basically
we've
all
talked
you
I
get
you
don't!
Well,
that's
what
you
just
get
down
to
it
so
refinance
for
that
same
area.
In
this.
A
C
F
A
By
mr.
McGuire,
second
by
mr.
Albertson
any
discussion,
any
questions
on
it
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
fourth
item
on
the
agenda.
Applicant
David
Johnson
did
business
is
big
sue
financial
permit
number
one.
Six
three
six
six
can
seeks
a
conditional
use
approval
to
build
a
storage
garage
and
a
c1
zone
at
11,
North
Broadway.
C
Again,
this
is
application.
One
six,
three,
six,
six
conditional
use
request
an
appeal
again:
David
Johnson
DBA
makes
you
financial
advocacy
conditional
use
approval
to
construct
a
1810
square-foot
25
by
76
storage
unit,
consisting
of
one
for
1400
10
square
feet
area
with
four
I'm
divided
vehicle
stalls,
one
235
square
foot
area
and
one
165
could
vestibule
1,900
square
foot.
Substandard
non-conforming
subdivision
located
in
the
c1
commercial
community.
District
storage
units
are
listed,
conditional
use
in
the
c1
zone.
C
C
Sure
of
most
everybody
in
towns,
aware
of
that-
and
he
was
trying
to
find
some
land
that
he
close
enough,
I
suppose
so
people
in
the
wintertime
or
if
they
went
on
a
trip
or
something
that
could
actually
put
the
car
and
have
it
to
go.
This
is
a
c1
zone.
District
is
zero
lot
line
setback
the
lattes
itself
is
applied.
A
lot
has
a
buildable
right.
The
subdivision
of
that
lot
somewhat
is
a
little
bit
shady.
That's
the
variance
you
guys
are
not
shady,
but
out
of
the
Norton
out
of
the
ordinary.
A
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C
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C
C
F
A
C
A
I
H
I
guess
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
for
Dave
number
one
is,
as
is
built,
will
it
continue,
or
will
it
be
built
according
to
the
standards
that
we
currently
have
in
the
Uptown
area,
with
the
preservation
of
the
historic
look,
because
they've
been
pushing
that
on
us
for
the
last
15
years?
As
to
anything,
we
do
to
make
sure
that
it
does
fit
within
that
historic.
Look.
H
H
H
Johnson
I
don't
find
any
major
problems
with
that
again
I'd
like
to
see
development
you
up
to
an
area
which
you've
done
a
great
job
on
your
property
over
in
the
old
shoe
building,
and
rather
than
just
have
the
signs
and
the
boats
and
the
things
that
are
parked
out
there
on
the
alley.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
a
building
out
there.
The
only
thing
is
I
is
how
it
would
appear
to
be
I
guess.
H
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C
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A
B
A
Thank
you
again.
Mr.
Stein
will
be
here
we're
moving
faster
for
him.
He's
got
a
meeting.
He'll
be
your
first
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
approval
of
the
agenda?
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second,
possibly
miss
Johnson
second
by
mr.
Dahle,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
approval
of
the
August
20th
2015
minutes
motion
by
mr.
stone
Berger
second
by
mr.
McGuire,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
third
item
on
the
agenda?
Is
the
EDM
addition
rezoning
I.
J
Have
that
highlighted
on
the
screen
I?
Let
me
just
turn
on
our
zoning.
Real
quick.
This
property,
as
you
can
see,
highlighted
in
blue,
is
currently
zoned
c3
and
that
property
was
annexed
and
zoned
in
April
of
2010.
Now
the
petitioner
is
requesting
his
property
be
rezoned
to
r3
multifamily
residential.
J
This
particular
lot
is
almost
three
acres
and
meets
all
of
the
our
three
requirements
and
our
comprehensive
Land
Use
Plan
has
this
area
designated
as
economic
development
site
mixed
uses
and
mixed
uses
means
that
it's
appropriate
location
for
they're,
commercial
or
multifamily
development,
so
either
zone?
What
would
fit
that
the
applicant
is
here
if
you'd
like
to
talk
to
him,
but
can.
A
J
A
B
A
F
F
A
J
Have
I
have
the
map
up
right
here.
It's
a
petition
to
annex
and
zones.
This
piece
right
here
to
annex
it
in
zone
at
r1,
single-family
residential.
This
piece
was
annexed
in
March
I
had
to
draw
it
in
because
our
our
map
hasn't
been
updated,
but
this
piece
was
annexed
in
March
when
they,
when
the
petitioners
came
forward
with
annexation
and
preliminary
plan,
and
at
that
time
that
the
annexation
was
approved.
J
But
the
preliminary
plan
needed
to
be
modified
now
just
like
to
the
record
to
show
that
Stein
has
arrived,
but
this
the
annexation
was
originally
approved
because
this
was
going
to
be
phase.
One
of
these
was
a
teenth
development,
but
then,
since
their
preliminary
plan
was
was
still
in
the
works,
and
it
eventually
came
back
to
you
guys
and
was
approved
in
in
June,
their
new
phase,
one
goes
out
and
up
to
connect
to
12th
Avenue
and
because
of
this
they're
requesting
more
property
to
be
annexed
and
zoned.
J
E
J
J
It
with
the
it's
it's
included
in
the
approved
eliminated
plan.
What
what
happened
is
in
March.
They
had
a
different
preliminary
plan
and
that
had
phase
one
being
just
this
is
where
and
then,
since
that
plan
got
modified
and
approved
in
June,
it
included
more
area,
and
so
now
they're
annexing
more
area
just
to
match
what
the
approved
privilege.
J
E
E
A
J
F
E
J
Once
this
opens,
this
was
the
approved
preliminary
plan
from
the
June
meeting,
and
here's
a
phasing
map
right
here
in
this
green
is
is
phase
one
of
the
development
and
and
this
portion
right
here
is
the
portion
that's
requesting
to
be
annexed
and
that's
consistent
with
phase
one.
This
red
area
is
phase
two
of
the
development.
This
big
block
right
here
is
the
park.
Dedication
as
well
as
the
drainage
area,
and
then
blue
is
Phase.
Three
and
purple
is
phase
four
of
the
development
yeah.
A
Thank
you,
oh,
that
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
two
items
to
vote
on
the
first
items
will
vote
on
the
annexation.
The
second
item
will
vote
on
the
zoning
I'd
ask
for
motion
in
a
second
for
resolution.
1
5,
3
6,
the
annexation
motion
by
mr.
Dahle
second
by
mr.
McGuire.
Any
further
discussion
on
the
annexation,
home
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
vote
is
resolution.
201
5-3
7,
the
zoning
is
r1.
Single-Family
residential
need
a
motion
in
a
second
for
discussion
motion
by
mr.
McGuire,
second
by
mr.
A
J
J
It
was
five
they've
made
the
Lots
a
little
bit
bigger
to
make
it
three
and
they
had
a
couple
of
skinnier
Lots
up
top
that
they've
combined
due
to
you
guys,
as
with
concerns
also
they've
modified
the
sidewalk
that
goes
through
Stoney
Point.
Third,
addition
it
before
it
came,
and
it
just
crossed
right
here
now
it
goes
up
and
it
hugs
the
road
all
the
way
through
the
development-
and
this
was
before
proposed
to
be
you
know,
a
a
trail
or
side
walking
it.
There's
gonna
be
paved
and
have
utilities
in
it.
They've
modified
that.
J
So
this
doesn't
need
to
be
paved
anymore
and
you
won't
have
a
manhole
utility
in
it
and
then
also
they've
changed
the
the
site
whoops.
They
need
to
change
pages
there.
They
change
the
sidewalk
jacent
to
the
portion.
That's
in
Prairie
Hills
development.
They
they've
moved
this
sidewalk
to
an
easement.
That's
that's
right
here
on
the
instead
of
right
adjacent
to
the
road
they
they
try
to
do
this
to
accommodate
more
buildable
area
in
this
lot.
So
those
are
the
changes
from
the
the
previous
plan.
J
J
A
Before
I
open
the
public
hearing,
what
happened
is
after
we
went
through
this,
the
first
time
we
brought
it
back
the
second
time
we
passed
a
resolution
with
items
on
it
and
I
talked
to
a
few
people
and
kind
of
thought.
Well,
boy,
that's
a
that's
a
pretty
heavy
resolution
with
20
things
in
a
public
hearing
where
we
say
this
is
what
we
want.
A
A
We
were
okay
with
a
trail
going
through
there
until
the
11th
hour,
when
we
realized
that
the
northern
addition
up
there
was
required
to
put
sidewalks
when
I
was
at
the
meeting
with
them.
They
said
the
owners
of
the
northern
addition
would
prefer
a
trail
over
sidewalks
and
I
said
well,
that's
something
that
I
think
the
board
would
possibly
reconsider,
because
it
wasn't
that
we
were
dead-set
on
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
roads.
It
was
that
we
have
sidewalks
to
the
south
and
the
north.
Why
wouldn't
we
hook
them
in
the
middle?
A
The
road,
sighs
I
looked
and
said.
If
he,
if
you
want
a
smaller
Road,
you
have
to
explain
why
that
smaller
road
is
as
good,
if
not
better
than
a
wider
road,
and
how
a
37
foot
wide
road
could
be
as
functional
as
a
30
foot
wide
road
and
I.
Think
they'll
explain
that
the
other
thing
was
in
that
wetland
and
block
3
in
order
to
appease
the
the
Hidden
Valley
people,
because
that
is
a
wetland
game.
Fish
and
parks.
A
Dnr
in
the
city
I'd
propose
that
they
they
gift
that
property
to
the
city,
so
the
city
could
then
least
the
the
maintenance
up
revision
of
that
area
in
lieu
of
park
dedications,
which
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
park
board
yet,
and
they
were
okay
with
that
and
then,
where
the
channel
access
was
was
the
fifth
area
that
we
we
approve,
I
kind
of
went
through
so
fast
I
didn't
quite
catch
it
as
we.
Our
motion
said
that
we
recommend
that
the
City
Council
consider
a
north
access.
A
I
feel
that
we
have
to
give
the
City
Council
a
finished
product,
not
a
recommendation
that
they
recommend.
So
we
met
back
with
them
and
then
I've
met
with
some
of
the
people
from
Hidden,
Valley
and
I've
met
with
Conda
Williams
on
the
other
side
and
I
just
felt
it's
a
pretty
large
project
and
and
visiting
with
Shane
the
steps
that
we
take.
We
go
from
a
concept
plan
to
a
preliminary
plan,
but
it's
really
not
a
preliminary
plan.
It's
a
final
plan.
It's
a
master
plan.
We
enter
it.
A
We
use
those
three
terms
loosely
amongst
each
other
and
I
thought.
Well,
let's
just
take
another
look.
Is
there
a
way
we
can
make
this
thing
work
that
would
it
you
know
what
would
appease
everybody.
So
that's
why
we're
back
here
where
we
are
now
and
with
that
I'll
open
the
public
hearing.
If
anybody
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
or
against
the
proposal.
A
Bobbed
your
engineer
here,
I
was
I,
didn't
see
you
standing
there.
The
one
thing
that
that
struck
me
is
on
the
road
we
like
to
say:
well,
it's
a
rural
section,
Road,
it's
an
urban
section,
Road.
We
don't
have
anywhere
in
our
ordinance
that
defines
a
rural
section
road.
So
it's
up
to
this
board
to
decide
whether
this
seems
rural
or
not.
A
A
A
If
you
go,
if
you
go
from
the
front
of
the
curb
to
the
front
of
the
curb,
you
got
37
feet.
If
you
park
a
car
on
each
side
of
the
road,
how
many
feet
is
door
handle
the
door
handle
and
with
the
7
foot
vehicle
which
Jeff
measured
some
vehicles
and
said
this
is
an
f-350.
Pickup
is
7
feet
in
sight.
You
know
door.
So
if
we
park
those
on
each
side
of
the
road,
we
have
23
feet
between
vehicles.
A
So
that's
how
much
room
is
to
pass
and
the
reason
that
came
up
is
when
the
people
in
Hidden
Valley
said
we
have
a
26
foot
road
and
it's
not
big
enough.
Well,
if,
if
I
have
a
26
foot,
road
and
I
have
two
cars
assuming
each
car
can
get
halfway
off
the
road
I've
got
19
feet
from
door
handled
the
door
handle
and
that
wasn't
big
enough.
So
here
we
go
curb
the
curb.
We
got
23
feet
between.
We
got
4
more
feet
and
what.
F
F
A
F
F
F
F
A
Valley
they
Michael.
My
question
was
as
I
as
I
finish
on
a
30-foot
road,
assuming
that
you
can
prove
to
us
the
slope
of
these
ditches
that
a
car
like
the
rest
of
South,
Lake
Drive.
You
can
pull
your
car
half
way
off
one
tire
onto
the
shoulder.
If
you
can
do
that
on
a
30-foot
road
and
I'll
use
your
8
foot
vehicles.
So
now
you've
got
8
feet,
8
feet
of
Eirik
vehicle.
You
got
a
30-foot
Road!
You
got
22
feet
between
them,
that's
a
foot
more
than
if
you
had,
you
have
more
room.
A
If
you
used
a
37
foot
road
16
feet,
you're
down
to
19
feet
in
between
them.
If
you
use
a
30
foot
road
that
you
can
get
vehicles
off
one
half
of
the
vehicle
off
on
each
side,
you
have
what
you
have
more
room
in
between.
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
I
wanted
to
say
start
it
backwards.
Tell
me
how
many,
how
many
feet
we
have
in
a
standard,
City
Road?
How
many
feet
do
we
have
between
door?
Handles
now
start
with
that
and
assuming
you
can
park
on
the
shoulder?
A
Half
of
your
vehicle
half
of
each
vehicle
on
each
side.
How
far
do
you
have
well
when
I
talked
to
them?
They
said
it's
a
four
to
one
slope
in
the
ditch.
Are
there
any
ditches
that
are
so
steep
that
vehicles
couldn't
park
partially
onto
their
shoulder
and
their
answer
was
no?
Actually,
we
probably
have
big
enough
ditches,
based
on
the
divide
that
the
design
just
like
in
Hidden
Valley,
you
can
pull
off
further
onto
the
road
and
then
so.
My
question
was:
is
a
30-foot
road
without
curb
and
gutter?
A
F
A
A
So
without
the
curb
and
gutter,
so
might
I
still
look
and
go
back.
As
can
you
get?
Can
you
get
in
a
30-foot
Road?
Could
you
get
the
same
amount
of
usability
between
vehicles
as
you
could
on
us
on
a
road
in
town?
In
an
hour,
three
districts
see
one
district
doesn't
matter
what
districts
it
in.
We
use
a
37-foot
road
with
curb
and
gutter,
which
gives
you
basically
20.
A
19
20
feet
in
between,
so
that
was
our
take
when
they
came
back
and
said
they
still
weren't
comfortable
with
the
road
because
they
thought
it
was
wider
than
what
they
liked.
They
thought
it
would
be
much
wider
than
what
they
cared
much
like
the
road
in
Prairie,
Hills
and
Dennis.
Isn't
here,
but
he'll
be
the
first
one
to
tell
you
that
he
feels
that
road
is
wider
than
what's
necessary
down
there.
L
Next
to
the
roadway
there,
that's
a
12%
slope
basically
and
your
crown
is
3%.
So
you
really
only
got
a
differential
of
about
8
percent
between
the
two
areas
and
it's
pretty
easy
to
get
out
and
park
on
that
and
not
fall
over
like
you
do
on
a
four
to
one
slope.
So
this
is
a
relatively
flat,
and
that
was
a
design
consideration
that
we
used
here
so
and
then
it's
also
be
able
to.
L
K
For
a
couple
of
clarifications,
our
37-foot
white
street
does
typically
include
urban
gutter.
So
essentially
you
take
that
curb
and
gutter
off
and
it
gets
really
close
to
this
30
foot
section
that's
proposed,
so
the
pavement
width
is
essentially
the
same
as
37
foot
wide
Road
give
or
take
a
foot.
I.
Think
I
think
it's
saying
that
again,
so
a
37
foot
wide
road,
that's
faced
a
curb
to
face
a
curb.
Well,
the
gutter.
Pan
is
two
feet
wide
on
our
typical
curb
section.
K
K
Then
the
other
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
one
of
the
discussions
that
we
had
in
the
previous
meeting
was.
We
did
talk
about
potentially
restricting
parking
on
one
side
of
the
road,
and
we
haven't
talked
about
that
tonight
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
helps
appease
this
discussion
or
not,
but
that's
something
that
I
think
should
be
wade
into
this
discussion
as
a
potential
compromise.
If,
if
this
does
go
forward
without
curb
and
gutter
and
so
forth,
it.
M
If
I
might,
if
you
drive
over
Green,
Bay
or
Wisconsin,
and
they
go
over
in
any
of
those
areas,
they
they'll
have
roads
like
this
with
a
gentle
slope
all
over
the
place
when
the
population
is
I,
mean
Lots
way
more
dense
than
what
we're
talking
about
here.
But
it's
it's
the
it's
because
of
the
of
the
gentle,
ditch
that
you
that
I
even
caution
to
use
the
word
ditch
because
you're
at
an
eight
to
one
slope.
It's
a
very
gentle
area
and
if.
F
M
Even
those
slopes
from
from
a
steepness,
so
I
mean
I
they're
designed
to
when
you
have
a
you
know
like
the
driveways
and
otherwise
will
slow
the
the
water
and
actually
retain
water
and
hold
it
back
so
that
you
don't
get
the
big
wash
outs.
Second
thing
is
it'll
all
be
covered
in
grass.
You
know
planted.
M
A
Came
up
in
that
in
in
some
discussions
we've
had
also
Shane
is
you
know
the
the
advantage
of
the
fact
there's,
no
curb
and
gutter
the
thought
of
a
sidewalk
on
one,
a
larger
site,
a
normal
sidewalks
four
feet:
they've
proposed
to
put
a
six-foot
sidewalk
on
one
side.
Part
of
our
thoughts
is,
we
were
in
this
discussion
was
runoff
water
moving?
What?
A
What
can
we
do
with
the
design
of
this
area
to
keep
the
water
moving
slowly,
and
that
was
one
of
the
questions
we
had
is
you've
got
these
ditches,
but
you
made
the
comment
that
when
you
have
driveways
going
through
them
and
you've
got
water
going
under
them,
you
can
I
think
it
was.
You
said
you
can
size
pipes
to
do
things
to
hold
water
for
short,
very
short
periods
of
time.
Nonetheless,
but
you
can
actually
help
to
control
the
runoff
by
the
design
of
these
swales
and.
K
Correct
driveways,
so,
yes,
essentially,
the
curb
is
a
mechanism
to
contain
water
and
channelize
it,
and
if
we
put
curb
in
this
section,
you're
going
to
collect
the
water
faster,
we're
gonna
run
it
to
the
outlets
faster.
That's
where
you
really
push
the
limits
of
needing
to
retain
and
treat
water
and
by.
If
we
decide
to
forego
the
curb
we're
using
the
ditch
system,
then
as
the
collection
point
of
the
water,
and
we
can't
control
how
fast
that
water
leaves
the
ditch
system
by
no.
This
is
just
examples.
K
This
isn't
a
hydraulic
analysis
by
any
means,
but
say
that
you
normally
would
have
a
18
inch
culvert
under
a
driveway.
If
you
want
to
slow
down
the
water
use,
a
slightly
smaller
pipe
say,
a
12
inch
or
something
like
that,
so
the
water
is
allowed
to
build
up.
You
know
six
inches
or
so
in
that
ditch
temporarily
and
then,
as
the
water
event
goes
away.
K
That
water
actually
then
continues
to
flow
through
the
system,
but
but
you're
delaying
the
water
a
little
bit
and
that
can
be
a
way
of
enhancing
the
water
quality
treatment
and
and
certainly
by
putting
this
water
in
the
ditches.
You're
gonna
promote
some
more
infiltration
of
the
stormwater,
rather
than
collected
all
at
one
big
location
and
that's
in
town.
That's
what
we
we
strive
for.
We
do
collect
all
the
water.
We
do
run
it
to
isolated
points
and
in
this
development
that's
a
different
focus.
B
A
A
L
F
A
L
Like
the
blue
arrows
that
you
see
on
this
diagram
there,
that's
where
the
drain
you
just
posed
to
go
on
this.
This
might
be
the
clearest
drawing
that
you
can
see
on
it,
and
then
we
also
have
what
we
call
Inlet
structures,
they're
kind
of
like
drop
in
us,
but
they
don't
have
that.
What
we
call
it
type
p4
type,
B
frame
and
great-
this
is
more
of
a
circle.
Great
is
what
it
is.
So
it's
going
to
be
in
a
ditch
so
and.
B
A
If
you
were
to
break
that
area
down
in
sections
back
out
a
little
further
way
further,
so
we
can
see,
though
the
stuff
on
the
top
of
the
screen
and
Stony
Point
Drive.
That's
the
I
assume
that
Road
is
at
a
high
point
for
everything
from
Stony
Point
Drive
in
the
top
cul-de-sac.
Well,
that
that's
probably
all
draining
towards
the
lake
I
assume.
L
A
L
M
L
If
you
can
see
on
the
notes,
on
the
right
hand,
side
that
we
say
drainage,
area,
drinking
JB
dreams,
but
there
you
see.
Indeed
you
can
see
the
total
contributing
area
there.
And
then
we
have
a
listing
of
a
impervious
area
and
what
the
water
quality
is.
So
we
would
designs
the
pipes
to
handle
that
water.
So
you.
N
Know
Pat
can
I
have
a
make
a
comment,
absolutely
as
a
layperson
and
not
an
engineer
myself.
I
absolutely
have
to
trust
our
city
engineers,
so
that
we
know
that
this
project
is
is
being
done
correctly
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
look
at
the
city
engineer
and
say
you
know,
Shane
give
us
your
thoughts
on
this.
Are
you?
N
Are
you
recommending
this
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
approval
or
are
you
are
you
asking
them
to
not
do
something,
but
I
think
we
ask
a
lot
of
questions
here
that
we
are
not
engineers
on
and
I
think
that
you
need
to
as
the
city
engineer
come
forward
and
say
this
is
going
to
work
or
this
isn't
gonna
work.
That's
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
hear
here
rather
than
as
I'm
sorry
John,
but
to
ask
how
much
water
is
that
retention
pond
going
to
hold
I?
N
K
It
is
if
the
engineer
for
the
developer
can
provide,
and
it's
it
and
really
they
are
going
to
provide
us.
The
information
on
these
water
quality
provisions
so
I
think
in
the
final
design,
they're
gonna
provide
us
the
information
and
the
calculations
that
adequately
treats
this
water
before
it's
released
to
the
receiving
waters
or
in
some
cases
the
neighboring
properties,
but
primarily
this
doesn't
isn't
gonna
reach
the
neighboring
properties.
It's
mostly
gonna
flow
back
into
the
lake
areas,
so
water
quality
is
important
to
me.
K
Water
storage
is
less
important
to
me
in
this
particular
location
because
of
its
proximity
to
the
lake
I
mean
the
water
runs
to
the
lake.
Today
it's
gonna
run
to
the
lake
tomorrow
as
long
as
we
treat
that
water
on
its
way
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
developers
engineer
is
going
to
be
able
to
prove
to
us
that
he
can
do
that
so
I'm,
okay,
with
with
it
from
that
standpoint,.
F
O
And
I
I
agreed
and
to
the
mayor's
point
I
believe
I
asked
a
very
similar
question
last
time
we
had
this
on
the
agenda
because
clearly
the
the
overwhelming
concern
that
I
have
been
asked
is,
you
know
the
drainage,
the
water
control,
the
impact
on
the
lake
and
from
what
I
recall
that
you
said
last
time,
Shane
is
that
you
feel
comfortable
that
the
ditch
and
drainage
system
would
be
appropriate,
or
at
least
equally
as
good
or
better
than
a
curb
and
gutter,
with
the
unique
topography
of
this
particular
piece
of
property.
Exactly?
K
I
did
say
that
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
would
stand
here
today
with
the
same
answer.
The
unique
thing
that
we
have
to
all
understand
is
that
the
large
rain
event
that
happens
say,
for
instance,
the
rain
event
that
happened
in
Sioux
Falls
that
flooded
a
lot
of
areas.
Earlier
this
year
there
isn't
a
single
water
quality
system
or
storage
system
that
can
handle
that
type
of
event.
You
can't
afford
to
design
for
it.
K
Nobody
can
so
to
expect
the
large
rain
event
to
be
treated
adequately
is
not
practical
in
the
municipal
engineering
realm.
What
you
want
to
do
is
you
want
to
catch
these
water
quality
controls
are
to
catch
the
everyday
rains.
You
know
the
the
acceptable
range
is
in
that
10
to
15-year
design
phase,
and
that's
what
we
would
expect
the
engineer
to
design
for
this
thing
and
the
difference
here
then
normal
is
we're
not
going
to
retain
the
water
in
a
traditional
way.
We're
gonna
put
it
in
a
ditch.
K
Just
dump
it
out
like
a
garden
hose
into
the
lake
and
the
surrounding
areas,
by
putting
it
in
the
ditch,
it's
gonna
take
longer
to
get
to
the
ultimate
out
flow
at
the
lake
and
that's
where
I
am
a
little
bit
more
comfortable,
saying
that
other
things
are
happening
with
this
water
that
helps
treat
it
along
the
way
before
it
gets
to
lake
without
less
the
bigger
traditional
storage
ponds.
I
hope.
F
My
point
is,
my
point:
is
as
a
layperson
how
I
don't
know
how
big
a
pond
will
hold,
how
much
water,
and
so
my
question
was,
are
we
talking
I
mean?
Are
we
talking
an
inch
rain
or
we
talking
to
drizzle
I,
don't
know
what
these
ponds
will
hold
and
I
was
trying
to
get
somebody
to
tell
me
you
know:
what
can
we
expect
out
of
this.
L
I'd
already
have
the
number
for
the
rainfall
on
this
right
off
top
my
head
here,
but
I
think
you're,
looking
at
a
a
pretty
quick
rain
that
happens
in
15
minutes,
I'm
thinking
around
about
2
and
3/4
inches
and
that's
and
that's
just
a
two-year
storm
runoff.
Now,
if
you're
looking
at
a
hundred
year,
you
you're
talking
in
the
realm
of
close
to
8
CFS
or
you
know,
or.
L
I
should
say
of
rain
so
in
in
a
24
hour
period,
so
there's
the
difference
there
so
and
that's
what
that
boils
down
to,
and
basically
these
water
quality
ponds
are
all
sized
to
capture
the
two
year
or
that
first
runoff,
that
comes
off
of
the
concrete
and
impervious
areas
into
these
ponds,
and
we
got
a
storage
there
to
handle
that
and
these
ponds.
When
he
get
to
be
this
size,
you
don't
see
a
real,
fast
flow
through
them
like
a
ditch,
it's
more
of
a
settling
basin
as
what
a
boils
down
to
then.
L
That
that's
where
your
5
year
storm
was
what
they
call
that
and
that's
about
close
to
a
four
inch
rain
in
15
minutes,
and
what
that
boils
down
to
is
in
is
that
all
these
pipes
and
stuff
won't
be
sized
for
a
five-year
storm.
Basically,
and
then
from
that
you
would
I
would
furnish
the
city
all
the
computations
of
that,
and
then
you
would
look
at
a
hundred
year.
L
L
A
Know
well,
we
try
to
do
is
be
as
good
as
stewards
to
the
lake
in
the
community
as
we
can,
but
if
you
put
it
in
perspective
as
to
how
we
gather
water
and
what
we
do
with
it
in
the
city
of
Watertown
southwest
part
of
town
southeast
part
of
town,
we
stick
it
in
a
pipe.
We
run
it
down
a
gutter.
We
stick
in
a
pipe
and
we
dump
it
in,
and
the
Sioux
River
completely
untreated
correct.
K
Correct
and-
and
you
know,
you're
you're-
delivering
the
water
slower
to
the
lake
I-
guess
my
ultimate
point
with
the
ditch
system
and
you're
allowing
portions
of
that
water,
especially
on
the
early
part
of
the
each
rain
phase,
to
actually
infiltrate
into
the
ground
soak
into
the
ground
before
it.
Even
all
that's
on
a
small
rain
in
a
drier
year,
there
might
not
hardly
be
eating
water
that
gets
out
of
the
ditch
and
into
the
water
quality
pond.
It's
all
going
to
soak
in
before
it
even
gets.
There.
A
F
A
One
of
the
other
things
we
talked
about
was
lot
size.
Can
you
point
out
Jeff
those
four
Lots
on
the
bottom
or
a
concern
to
me
that
they
were
fairly?
You
know
they
weren't
I,
didn't
I
didn't
buy
that
they
were
real
nice
sized
rural
like
Lots,
they've
modified
the
size
of
those
Lots
I,
believe
there
was
a
lot
up
on
the
lakeside
that
was
also
modified
up
there.
That
was
a
concern
that
that.
A
It
still
would
have
to
go
through
the
board,
but
they'd
be
willing
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
gift
block
three
to
the
city
of
Watertown,
so
the
city
can
then
lease
that
dies
at
Walt
Lee
or
something
like
that
in
lieu
of
park,
dedication
I
didn't
talk
to
game
fish
and
parks.
Yesterday
from
pier-
and
they
said
you
know
in
lieu
of
park-
dedication,
that's
as
good
a
biased
water
town's
ever
got
on
as
far
as
what
that
does
for
for
the
fishing,
the
fish
habitat
and
the
bait
fish.
A
A
A
They
could
they
wanted
to
come
in
right
through
this
area.
Here
my
fear
is:
is
that
if
they,
if
they
dig
that
channel
out
to
the
north,
we
get
a
north
wind,
those
waves
are
going
to
come
in
there
and
blow
the
backside
of
that
wetland
completely
out
of
there
and
then
you're
gonna
get
silt
and
sand.
That's
gonna
pour
into
the
Hidden
Valley
Channel.
A
They
see,
there's
really
not
that
much.
You
know
right
south
of
that
pointer
there
there's!
No,
you
know
below
that.
There's
not
a
lot.
My
fear
was
is
the
wave
action
that
could
come
through
there
could
send
those
Reed's
right
down
the
Hidden
Valley
channel,
and
now
we
have
two
openings
into
the
lake
with
a
little
island
on
the
end
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
think
that
was
fair
to
the
Hidden
Valley
side
and
in
the
wetland.
But
so
that's
where
we
sat
I've
talked
to
most
you
guys
on
the
board.
A
If,
if
we
would
consider
looking
at
those
and
most
of
you
said,
you
would
consider
looking
at
it
so
here
here
we
sit
when
I
talked
to
they
hit
some
of
the
people
from
Hidden
Valley.
Can
you
put
the
the
one
up
that
shows
the
channel
for
stony
point
where
the
finger
is
I?
Call
it
a
finger
that
goes
through
there.
Yeah
okay,
see
the
foot
to
your
pointer
right
on
the
end
of
that
finger
right
there,
that's
a
that's
a
finger
that
goes
out.
A
A
The
high-water
mark
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that's
as
far
as
you
could
legally
put
that
berm
there,
even
if
you
want
it
to
you,
can't
wrap
it
around
there
right
because
it's
below
it,
you
don't
own
that
land,
it's
below
the
high-water
mark
it's
no
different
than
if
you
tried
to
build
a
peninsula
out
in
the
lake
from
someone's
house.
You
can't
do
that.
So
the
question
is:
is:
are
we
better
off
to
enter
this
channel
through
Hidden
Valley?
A
As
far
as
protection
of
the
wetland,
some
of
the
Hidden
Valley
landowners
question
was:
is
hey
everything
that
floats
into
Hidden
Valley
washes
up
on
a
couple.
People's
seawall
and
and
I
said
I
would
I
would
assume
that
the
HOA
or
the
homeowners
association,
the
Stony
Point
channel
Association,
would
participate
in
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
a
portion
of
the
Hidden
Valley
channel,
meaning
when
Reed's
break
off.
You
know.
One
of
the
examples
was
a
one
of
the
owners.
A
There
took
six
trailer
loads
of
reeds
that
he'd
dug
off
his
seawall,
because
the
wind
came
in
tore
out
some
reeds
and
washed
him
up
in
front
of
his
house.
So
these
guys
had
said
yeah
we
would
assume
if
we
were
using
that
channel,
we
would
share
in
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
that
and
I
assumed.
Our
attorney
could
make
sure
that
the
agreement
was
sound
when
the
time
would
come.
Secondly,.
A
P
A
The
finger,
what's
that
finger,
that
comes
out
there,
that's
on
that
has
the
wetland
on
the
backside
of
it.
What's
that
going
to
be
made
of
on
each
side,
I
I
think
I
asked
the
question
of
what
material
is
the
channel
side
of
it
going
to
the
Stoney
Point
channel
side
going
to
be
made
of
him
I
think
the
answer
is
concrete.
Much
like
the
Hidden
Valley
site.
M
M
Q
Q
Q
Q
B
M
Q
L
L
Q
R
Q
Q
M
But
we
would
fight
the
same
thing
that
you're
talking
about
as
soon
as
you
cut
that
out
just
like,
that
is
where
the
Stella
make
channel
used
to
be,
and
it
fills
back
in.
It's
gonna
be
a
constant
battle
with
that
filling
back
in,
whereas
if
you
go
around
the
end,
it
offers
protection
for
that
whole
area
and
we're
willing
to
share
in
the
cost
that
taking
care
of
it,
I
just
yeah
and
we're
willing
and
we're
willing
to
share
in
that.
That's
not
that's.
M
A
That
was
the
concept
was,
is
what
what's
the
easiest
way?
The
water
is
actually
public.
You
can
come
in
through
there
the
ground
underneath
it
is
privately
owned
and
the
concept
is
is,
does
the
does
the
Stony
Point
Channel
have
its
own
access?
Hidden
Valley
has
their
own
access.
Everybody
takes
care
of
their
own.
What's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
wetland,
most
people
I've
talked
to
you
said
best
interest
in
the
wetland
is
just
to
have
one
access
into
the
lake
and
and
share
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
it.
A
Anything
I've
missed
that
we've.
What
I
did
is
I
went
through
the
resolutions
we
approved
and
the
resolutions
are
there
and
they
were
virtually
identical.
With
the
changes
in
this
plant,
we
had
to
do
with
lot
size,
six
foot,
cement,
sidewalk
on
one
side
of
the
road,
rather
than
a
four
foot
sidewalk
on
both
sides.
The
advantage
of
this
of
the
might
my
concern
was
what
that
trail
was
you're
willing
to
put
in
a
6
foot
cement
sidewalk
at
the
time
that
the
road
is
put
in.
A
So
it's
complete
versus
four
foot
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
road
that
they're
put
in
at
the
time.
A
building
permit
is
pulled
for
those
individual
Lots.
So
the
sidewalk
for
this
entire
area
is
a
hundred
percent
complete
when
the
last
lot
is
developed
and
not
a
day
before
that,
so
the
trade-off,
in
my
opinion,
was
we
get
a
trail.
We
get
to
say
where
the
trail
was.
The
adjacent
landowner
preferred
the
sidewalk
on
the
inside
of
the
road,
rather
than
both
sides
of
the
road.
A
A
A
A
F
A
And
cuz
I
our
feelings
where
we
want.
You
know
we
don't
care
if
the
road
the
road
has
as
a
timeline
as
to
when
it
needs
to
be
paved.
But
our
concern
was
that
the
road
is
constructed.
We
don't
issue,
you
know
and
I'd
like
to
take
that
one
just
a
step
further,
not
only
are
no
building
permits
issued
until
the
road
is
plaited.
We
wanted
the
road
constructed.
F
A
Usable
from
the
south
in
Mike
my
question
there
to
take
it
a
step
further.
What
I
meant
by
there
is
no
building
permits
should
be
issued,
but
you
can
start
moving
dirt
on
Lots
without
building
permits
being
issued,
and
that
was
my
fear
is
that
these
Lots
get
sold
and
all
of
a
sudden
people
are
moving
dirt
and
doing
dirt.
Work
still
haven't
pulled
a
building
permit.
Do
they
need
to
move
dirt
on
a
lot?
Do
you
need
a
fill
permit
or
what's
the.
A
K
K
K
M
B
B
You
know
we're
making
a
narrow
street
and
we
have
a
commercial
light
at
the
very
point
you
know
if
I
could,
if
I
could
put
a
stipulation
on
a
condo
and
said
okay,
the
day
that
you
sell,
that
that
that
road
going
to
the
east
has
got
to
be
standard
City,
you
know
37
with
curb
and
gutter.
Ron
did
be
happy,
but
we've
got
a
commercial
lot
up
there,
and
if
this
was
in
any
other
part
of
town,
we
would
be
saying
why
would
we
change
the
rules
now.
F
O
I
think
the
the
road
width
is
as
a
concern
for
me
for
the
point
that
Rhonda
made,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
the
37
foot
wide
Road
with
urban
gutter.
You
may
have
the
same
amount
of
all
as
fall,
but
people
Park
on
that.
You
know
the
cemented
part
of
the
curb
and
in
30
foot
wide
Road
only
works.
If
we
assume
that
people
are
going
to
Park,
you
know
on
the
grass.
You
know
I'm
not
entirely
comfortable
with
that
yeah.
M
B
M
What
I'm
saying
is
is
on
those
particular
Lots.
You
know
they
were
commercial
before.
That's
why
I
left
them
that
way
they
are
chances
are
that
they
won't
be
developed
commercially
unless
there's
an
access
to
the
east
and
that,
if
that
doesn't
happen,
it's
probably
not
going
to
happen
so
and
I'm
not
it
needs
it.
That's.
M
B
B
That's
that's
where
this
board
is
going
to
eat
crow
someday
is
that
we
are
letting
it
slide
now
and
with
a
commercial
light,
stuck
right
in
the
middle
of
it
and
someday
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
I,
maybe
I'm
out
of
line,
but
that's
exactly
how
I
see
it
is
we're
taking
a
step
back
and
then
someday.
Somebody
else
is
going
to
come
with
a
commercial
light
and
and
want.
M
M
A
What
Rhonda
says
and
that's
what
we
do
is
we
we
always
and
I
told
you
guys.
I
said
I
know:
you're
you've
got
the
greatest
of
intentions,
I
know
what
you're
thinking,
but
we
also
we
go
worst-case
scenario.
You
know
we
assume
those
are
three
Lots
are
going
to
be
built
at
maximum
capacity
and
we're
gonna
have
the
maximum
conditional
use
on
those
and
I
know.
Yeah
I
know
it.
It's
that
the
nature
of
the
beast
any
other
questions
for
Bob.
While
he's
up
here.
E
A
K
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
this
a
comment
that
really
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
get
concerned
about
minimum
rolled
widths
and
pass
is
to
provide
emergency
access
to
that.
So
fire
trucks
and
ambulances
don't
have
to
encounter
or
move
cars
to
proceed
down
the
road
and
if
we
do
decide
that
we're
not
comfortable
with
parking
on
both
sides,
I
think
and
I'm
not
trying
to
put
words
and
chips
mouth
but
I
think
all
along.
A
Into
our
engineering
department
as
to
what
you
guys
think
is
37
wider
than
it
needs
to
be
in
this
application,
but
we
can
also
ask
chip.
You
know
that
that's
probably
where
we're
struggling
the
most
is
the
road
width.
You
know
we,
we
do
have
city
standards
that
say
a
37-foot
Road
with
curb
and
gutter,
and
we
paint
everything
with
the
same
brush
and
we,
you
know,
that's
what
we
use
in
a
city
environment.
This
is
slightly
different.
It's
not
a
two
acre
per
la
rural
environment.
D
B
A
D
D
A
That
was
the
Hidden
Valley
people.
Their
road
would
be
smaller
than
this,
but
that
was
one
of
the
statements
we
got
last
time
is
that
when
there's
special
activities
going
on
on
those
roads,
they
get
kind
of
tough
to
go
through
know
that
this
their
proposal
with
30
feet
gives
them
a
little
more
room.
A
D
You
know
recent
developments
up
on
16th
their
work
where
they
put
some
signage
up,
because
you
know
they
wanted
a
smaller
Road
and
you
know
we
required
them
to
to
place
a
sign
up
there.
So
people
don't
park
there
and
we
have
working
room
for
emergency
vehicles,
so
we
have
done
it
recently
in
the
past
like
this.
So
and
those
were
we're
22-feet
I
think
for.
B
N
K
R
J
G
My
name
is
Mike
Lawrence
Tyson
board,
and
this
projects
I
have
clients
that
are
looking
at
properties
that
would
like
to
build
up
here.
You
know
half
million
dollar
homes
and
and
I've
discussed
with
them
most
of
the
things
that
that
we're
discussing
tonight
I'm
an
avid
golfer
I'm
out
at
the
Country
Club
at
least
two
or
three
nights
a
week.
I
take
the
22
foot
road
to
get
out
there.
I
take
the
22
foot
road
to
get
to
the
prop.
G
On
my
way
home
I
see
people
parking
on
the
22
foot
road
every
time,
I
another
thing
as
a
sidewalk,
the
on
one
side.
That's
that's
a
that's
something
that
the
people
that
are
building
up
there,
the
property
owners
that
are
adjacent
to
it.
You
know
want
that.
A
four
foot
sidewalks
great
for
one
person
walking
down
but
I,
mean
if
you
two
ladies,
want
to
go
on
a
walk
together.
It's
you
know
not
not
the
best-case
scenario.
G
It's
like
a
bike
path
is
a
lot
better
than
a
sidewalk
to
take
anything
but
a
single
person
and
a
baby
stroller
down.
That
was
one
of
the
things
I
noticed
as
far
as
the
density
of
the
are
three.
If
you
look
at
South
Lake
Drive
and
those
25
foot,
35
foot,
50,
foot
4,
you
know
those
Lots
down
there
that
are
really
close
high-density
and
we're
making
that
traffic
work
with
a
22
foot
Road
the
density
there.
G
A
There
was
one
other
one
other
discussion
we
had
and
I
think
I
had
it
with
Bob
in
your
group.
I
know:
I
had
it
with
the
Hidden
Valley
I
said
that
we
thought
it
would
only
be
fair
that
the
Stony
Point
Development
share
in
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
their
portion
of
the
Hidden
Valley
channel
that
they
use.
A
That
has
to
be
done
for
that
and
they're
not
going
to
what
our
goal
was,
is
not
to
obstruct
the
Hidden
Valley
access
to
the
people
that
are
there
and
the
people
from
Hidden
Valley
that
I
spoke
was
said.
We're,
okay
with
that
and
I
said
I,
don't
think
they'd
have
a
problem
as
long
as
it's
supervised
by
our
city
attorney
as
to
if,
in
fact,
a
cofferdam
of
some
sort
needs
to
be
put
over
that
Hidden
Valley
area.
A
Yeah
and
what
our
what
their
concern
was,
is
hey.
We
know
that
as
you
as
you
reach
in
toward
the
Hidden
Valley
there's
there,
there
could
possibly
be
a
requirement
that
where
Hidden
Valley
goes
into
the
lake
is
yes
mitigate,
you
know
not
mitigated,
but
something
is
put
there
and
they
didn't
want
something.
Put
there
the
week
of
4th
of.
S
A
You
know
our
you
know
and
I
said
I'm
sure
there'll
be
conscientious
as
to
when,
if
there's
ever
an
intrusion
in
there
of
when
and
where
it
would
be
and
I
didn't,
think
it
would
be
troubling
to
have
something
drawn
up
between
the
two
of
you
and
in
the
city.
Attorney.
Would
I
asked
him
if
he'd
supervised
it,
and
he
said
he
didn't,
have
a
problem
with
it.
So
anyone
else
here
to
speak
in
regard
to
this
scene,
none
I'll
close
the
public
hearing.
N
A
R
A
The
wetland
will
be,
which
is
block
three
will
be
conveyed
to
the
city
in
lieu
of
park.
Dedications
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
Park
Board
item.
17
would
be
that
there
would
be
an
agreement
between
the
Hidden
Valley
Association
and
these
and
what
I'm
going
to
call
the
Stoney
Point
Association
in
regard
to
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
the
Hidden
Valley
side
of
the
channel.
A
Certain
time
period
it's
knowing
that
they
may
the
the
when
these
permits
are
issued.
They
may
be
required
to
have
some
blockage
of
that.
I
want
the
Hidden,
Valley
Association
to
have
have
a
say
in
when
and
where
that's
going
to
be
so
that
somebody
doesn't
come
in
and
and
limit
their
access
to
their
to
their
channel.
Are
you
proposing
any.
A
I
mean
there's
there.
There
may
be
a
time
that,
when,
when
they
go
in
there
but
I'd
prefer
it
be
late.
You
know
we'd
be
late
in
the
season
so
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
and
when
I
talked
to
the
developers
they
said,
as
this
goes
through
they'll
time,
they
don't
have
an
issue
with
timing,
that
for
when
it's
the
the
least
obstructive
or
least
amount
of
heartache
for
him.
A
A
The
sidewalk
is
maintained
by
the
homeowners
association.
That
was
a
question
we
had
the
road
on
the
the
wetland
donation
to
the
city
that
was
added
to
the
resolution,
the
legal,
the
legal
talks
on
the
channel,
the
only
thing
that
I
don't
I
have
a
feel
off.
There
is:
where
are
we
on
this
road?
Because
when
we
vote
on
this
at
yay
or
nay
so,.
A
J
A
Sure
it's
right
so
when
we
make
a
vote,
we're
voting
on
resolution,
2015
38,
which
includes
the
lot
size,
changes
the
sidewalk
adjustment,
the
road
reduction
from
37
to
30
and
less
that's
changed
in
the
motion.
It
will
include
in
the
resolution
the
addition
of
the
wetland
donation
to
the
city,
an
agreement
with
hit
2
agreements
with
Hidden
Valley,
one
for
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
the
channel
and
one
for
the
obstruction
of
the
channel
during
construction
has
to
win
and
when
and
where
that
would
reasonably
happen.
That'll
be
supervised
by
this
by
the
city.
A
A
So
so
Blake's
motion
is
to
approve
the
play
to
approve
the
plan,
as
seen
with
the
with
the
adjustments
to
the
resolution
that
we
talked
about
with
a
30-foot
road,
rather
than
with
the
30-foot
Road
included
in
the
plan
with
parking
on
one
side
which
side
of
that
parking
will
be
chained.
Who
normally
chooses
which
side
of
the
park
on
is.
That
is
that
a
safety
committee
is
that
the
city
engineer
is
that
a
discussion
between
the
developer
in
the
in
the
engineering
office
I
think.
S
A
One
other
thing
is:
is
that
I
didn't
mention
that
wrote
the
in
their
original
plan
that
Road
through
the
middle
there
was
going
to
be
a
gravel
access
road,
the
the
developers
have
agreed
to
move
a
manhole
that
was
in
the
middle
of
that
road.
That
would
then
allow
them
to
make
that
a
grass
it
would
have
a
hard
surface
under
it,
but
it
could
be
grass.
A
The
the
emergency
personnel
would
all
know
what's
there,
but
the
idea
was
is
if
it
was
a
gravel
road
that
crossed
through
there,
people
could
would
continue
to
use
it
and
then
cross
through
the
adjacent
landowners
property.
The
thought
was
as
hey:
are
you
willing
to
move
a
manhole,
so
this
could
be
grass
and
and
not
be
as
intrusive
on
the
adjacent
landowner,
and
they
agreed
to
that.
Just
for
that.
So
so
that's
the
motion
we
have
on
the
table
by
mr.
dollar.
Do
I
have
a
second
second
by
mr.
McGuire,
further
discussion,
I.
E
Just
wanted
to
you
know
if
we
compare
the
37
foot
road
and
we're
talking
a
7
8
foot
vehicle
like
we
discussed
earlier.
So
if
we
have
parking
only
on
one
side
of
a
30
foot,
we're
really
looking
at
the
same
usable
space
for
traffic
flow
there
and
I
think
that's
gonna,
be
you
know.
If
we
get
parking
on
one
side,
we
still
have
ample
room
for
parking
on
the
street
I.
F
O
Parking
a
no
parking
on
one
side.
Some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
before
at
prior
meetings
is
again
the
experiences
of
other
similar
parts
of
town
as
far
as
ingress
and
egress,
and
this
is
even
more
limited
than
a
typical
development
relative
to
ingress
and
egress,
and
the
whole
commercial
portion
of
the
plat
up
there
I
just
I'm,
not
feeling
all
that
comfortable,
but
30-foot
Road
I.
S
B
A
To
review
it
were
gone
from
lot
sized
sidewalks.
The
road
Blake
would
like
to
change
his
motion
to
37
feet
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
What,
and
so
what
I'll
need?
Is
that
that's
Blake's
motion?
Jason
you
made
the
second.
Would
you
are
you
willing
to
amend
your
second
okay?
So
the
motion
and
second
was
amended
in
the
other
discussion.
R
Yeah
I
think
what
we'd
have
to
do
is
modify
the
resolution
to
give
the
developer
the
option
of
bobbum
right
here
to
to
give
you
the
option
of
one
or
the
other,
so
I
think
we'd
probably
want
to
amend
the
resolution
to
maybe
leave
it
up
to
your
discretion.
If
the
board
is
okay
with
that
to
do
one
or
the
other.
A
R
A
M
A
Well,
I
would
say
it
doesn't
change
any
of
their
minds,
so
Blake
the
the
amended
it
withdrew.
His
motion,
Riya
mended
it
to
say
I,
see
the
developers
option,
a
six
foot
sidewalk
on
one
side
or
four
foot
sidewalks
on
both
and
that
will
be
at
his
discretion.
Do
I
have
a
second
by
mr.
McGuire
second
by
mr.
McGuire
and
the
other
discussion
on
that.
O
O
A
Would
incorporate
into
the
trail
now
this
particular
development
is
going
to
be
at
the
discretion.
The
difference
is
is
with
the
six
foot,
with
the
six
foot
sidewalk
it's
put
in
with
the
road
with
a
four
foot
sidewalk
it's
put
in
at
the
property
owner's
expense,
rather
than
the
developers
expense
at
the
time
of
development.
Of
that
lot,
right.
O
O
A
K
Excuse
me,
this
is
just
for
information
and
update
on
impacts.
The
previous
preliminary
plan
discussions
that
the
Planning
Commission
had
entertained
earlier.
In
a
previous
motion.
The
Planning
Commission
asks
for
this
access
on
the
Willow
Creek
Drive
for
eighth
Avenue
to
follow
the
traffic
impact
study
that
was
being
done
by
the
developer,
called
coho
and
also
was
had
input
from
the
d-o-t.
K
Several
things
have
changed
in
that
recommendation.
Originally
they
talked
about
a
700-foot
access
point
from
212
to
the
north.
That
was
a
recommendation
and
then
that
recommendation
was
amended
to
be
550
feet,
so
we
brought
had
that
brought
to
the
coho
developers
for
their
review
and
consideration
and
they
chose
to
not
amend
their
access
point
on
to
Willow
Creek
Drive,
but
that
decision
and
we
as
staff,
actually
reviewed
this
in
great
detail
to
see
you
see
once
what
was
how
that
impact
compared
to
this
area
to
the
south
of
212.
K
So
essentially
what
what
the
engineering
in
coho
was
ass
force
same
as
what's
happening
South,
if
this
is
too
highway
212
here,
there's
the
center
median
similar
to
the
one
on
the
north
side.
That
median
is
440
feet
long.
The
nearest
entrance
for
paving
on
the
south
side
is
478
feet
long.
K
Comparing
that
on
the
north
side,
the
center
median
on
our
site
is
430
feet,
which
is
only
10
feet
shorter
than
the
one
on
the
south
side
and
the
location
of
the
entrance
is
465
feet
to
the
proposed
connection
to
Willow
Creek.
So
we
felt
that
what
the
developer
and
their
engineer
proposed
was
very
consistent
with
what
we
saw
happening
on
the
south
side
of
the
highway,
so
that
made
us
much
more
comfortable
in
now
not
requesting
that
this
be
relocated.
K
So
this
is
mostly
information
for
you
and
I
know
that
traffic
impact
study
has
never
been
finalized,
so
that
really
hasn't
been
finished
and
I
am
notifying
the
d-o-t
on
this
information
that
we
have
here
and
in
getting
them
up
to
speed
on
that.
So
with
that,
you
will
see
and
and
lot
six
right
here
in
the
interest
of
time,
because
this
has
gotten
drugged
out
for
a
considerable
amount
of
time
will
be
administratively
platted
following
the
planning
we're
going
to
do
it.
K
Eight
we're
proposing,
or
the
developers
proposing
actually
H
lot
for
incorporating
the
right
away
through
this
development,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
the
water
tone
development
company
is
the
ones
that
are
actually
financing
this
upfront
and
then,
ultimately,
the
city
will
get
it
back,
but
that
needs
to
be
transferred.
So
we
can
proceed
with
the
contracts
that
have
been
written
for
that
street
improvements.
Is
that
correct
and
is.
A
K
A
F
N
Been
so
close
to
this
project
and
I
kind
of
know,
the
ins
and
outs
of
it
20,
26th
Street,
is
going
to
be
as
wide
as
23rd
Street.
The
d-o-t
request,
that
is,
that
it's
the
the
width
of
26th
and
23rd
will
be
identical.
There
is
stoplights
going
to
be
on
23rd
Street.
We
asked
them
to
put
it
on
26th
Street.
They
said
it's
not
request
or
required
at
this
particular
time.
They
want
to
know
in
future
years
when
this
gets
developed.
N
N
Having
to
invest
in
it,
yep
that's
exactly
right
now,
when
you
look
at
and
Shane
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
length
of
the
road,
the
access
point
on
the
the
465
feet
to
the
north
there
you
know,
if
you
look
between
the
two
between
Walmart
going
in
the
traffic
that
goes
into
that
particular
Street
and
the
traffic
that
will
go
into
this
particular
Avenue
on
8th
Avenue.
We
would
expect
it
will
be
substantially
less.
N
There's
only
three
feet
difference
on
the
two
when
it
comes
to
point
there,
the
one
down
there,
the
block
six
is
Travis
Travis,
you
tonie's.
He
he
wants
to
get
going
on,
that
we
have
the
heights
of
the
road.
We
understand
what
the
heights
are
on
26th.
We
don't.
We
know
eight,
the
Avenue.
What
will
be
done
is
the
administrative,
the
approved
that
will
have
the
heights.
He
needs
to
get
his
footings
in
by
November
1st.
He
wants
to
get
building
on
that.
N
Yet
this
fall
another
thing
that
we
need
to
do
why
that
it's
administratively
approved
is
actually
so
that
Travis
can
get
the
property
bought.
He
cannot
buy
it
until
it's
actually
been
planted
legally
and
recorded.
So
really
any
questions
you've
got.
You
can
certainly
ask
me,
but
26th
Street,
the
one
right
by
the
pool,
pool
cue
there.
I,
don't
know
what
you
call
it
really,
but
it
looks
like
pool
field
that
is
going
to
be
the
same
width
as
23rd
Street,
which
is
over
to
the
left
on
entrances.
R
N
N
Is
the
plan
is
that
it'll
be
45
miles
an
hour
for
awhile
until
actually
26?
Then
we've
got
plans
on
26
halt
come
up
through
the
north.
It
won't
be
a
straight
shot
north.
That
traffic
will
slow
down
they're
coming
down,
but
you're
absolutely
right,
it'll
be
45
for
a
time
and
then
reduce
to
35,
because
we
really
don't
want
that
high
speed
of
traffic
coming
down
in
there
and.
F
N
Don't
have
an
option
on
that,
in
fact,
we've
we've
made
that
suggestion
that
we
think
26th
is
substantially
more
important
than
23rd
on
the
light
they
have
granted
the
23rd
Street
access
already
for
the
lights,
because
they
say
that
the
truck
traffic
will
go
down
south,
which
picks
up
on
to
20th
Avenue.
So
they
are
blinded
by
even
asking
them
on
to
move
23
to
26.
They
say
they
will
not
do
it.
B
In
to
state
the
obvious,
as
Chris
said,
early
the
where
this
access
comes
on
to
Willow
Creek,
that
is
after
the
median
right
where
the
median
is.
You
know
that
one
that.
N
K
Right
yeah
correct,
so
that
I
wanted
to
give
you
this
information,
because,
even
though
this
isn't
the
correct
plat
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
one
of
these
Lots
will
be
administrative
leave.
Platted
and
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
the
remainder
of
this
plat
will
be
revised
and
brought
to
you
at
a
future
date,
potentially
the
October
meeting
for
consideration
of
the
plat
and
and
on
the
rest
of
it.