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The
background
here
so
on
September
5th,
the
City
Council
considered
ordinance
number
17
33
to
amend
chapter
21,
80
and
20
190
of
the
revised
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Watertown
to
update
the
sign
code.
This
being
the
time
scheduled
for
a
public
hearing
on
ordinance
number
17
33.
The
mayor
called
for
public
comment.
B
The
public
made
comments
both
in
favor
and
against
the
ordinance
motion
by
Danforth
and
seconded
by
bill
Hauer
to
approve
ordinance
17
33
as
presented,
and
the
motion
carried
subsequently
city
staff
received
a
request
to
further
amend
the
sine
code
to
allow
realtor
signs
within
the
city.
Right-Of-Ways
city
staff
also
recognized
a
need
to
amend
the
sine
code
to
recognize
identification
signage.
Currently,
all
signage
for
large
buildings
is
counted
towards
the
total
allowable
signage
for
the
property.
D
E
B
So,
as
far
as
the
communities
that
do
not
allow
anything
in
the
public
right
of
ways,
our
Sioux
Falls
Aberdeen
here
on
Harrisburg
Deadwood,
Fort,
Pierre,
Rapid,
City,
Yankton,
Brookings,
Brandon
and
Mitchell,
and
the
community
that
allow
us
political
but
not
real
estate,
Sciences
Pierre
and
the
communities
that
allow
real
estate
signs
in
the
right
of
ways.
Our
sturgis
Spearfish
and
box
elder
the
recommendation
is
city
staff.
Doesn't
support
allowance
of
the
realtor
signs
within
the
right-of-ways
city
staff
does
support
the
revision
to
allow
for
some
identification
signage
on
large
buildings
within
the
community.
F
Animala
city
councilman
Courtney
I,
actually
proposed
the
changes
to
the
sign
ordinance.
They
did
talk
about
what
went
down
in
the
City
Council
meeting.
The
thing
that
was
not
discussed
was
the
city
council
work
session,
where
we
discussed
making
changes
to
this
to
allow
for
real
estate
signs.
In
that
meeting
there
was
no
one
that
was
against
it.
I
can't
say
for
here
everyone
who
said
yes,
but
no
one
was
against
the
ordinance
change
to
allow
a
real
estate.
We
did
pass
it
stating
that
we
need
to
get
a
new
sign
norms
in
place.
F
Let's
get
it
in.
Let's
make
changes
as
needed
as
we
go.
What
we
are
looking
to
do
and
what
I
have
brought
forward
is
to
allow
real
estate
signs
and
for
there's
a
couple
of
different
reasons.
There
are
portions
of
area
in
town,
especially
around
the
lake,
that
a
real
estate
sign
in
private
is
not
conducive
for
selling
there's
areas,
especially
between
the
racetrack
and
the
golf
course
where
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
green
space.
F
Now
you
could
put
real
estate
signs
on
different
stands
place
them
in
the
middle,
their
sidewalk
things
of
that
nature,
but
where
there's
heavy
trees,
fences
bushes,
things
of
that
nature
for
they're,
just
typical
landscaping
would
make
that
sign.
Very
difficult.
You
also
remand
to
is
that
signs
on
stands
tend
to
tip
over.
Can
they
get
ran
over
if
we
get
heavy
snow
and
plows
go
by,
they
will
get
damaged
and
possibly
just
with
the
route
when
we
have
they
disappear.
F
So
what
we
are
looking
to
do
it's
not
just
real
estate
signs
for
sale,
there's
also
areas
where,
if
you
are
trying
to
sell
a
house-
and
they
are
running
into,
they
want
to
do
an
open
house-
and
it's
not
directly
on
the
corner.
How
do
you
people
come?
Look
at
your
house.
We
are
promoting.
You
know,
changes
to
that
and
hope
that
the
people
of
Watertown
understand
this
is
what
we're
looking
to
do.
F
G
F
Know
I
haven't
talked
to
the
other
cities.
We
simply
have
tried
to
come
through
with
that.
I
know
that
can
did
did
do
a
poll
for
that
to
see
what
they
have
it.
I
see
real
estate
for
Sioux
Falls
is
not
allowed,
however,
being
living
in
Sioux
Falls
before
I
moved
back
to
Watertown
they're
in
the
right
away.
They
may
not
allow
them,
but
they're
there
and
honestly,
ours
have
never
been
allowed,
but
they
have
never
been
enforced
theaters.
This
is
really
what
it
comes
down
to
as
an
enforcement.
F
We
are
just
trying
to
get
people
to
see.
There
are
certain
areas
of
towns,
and
you
guys
know
it
as
well
as
I
do
being
on
the
other
side
of
the
sidewalk
may
not
be
a
huge
issue.
You
know
if
you're
wide
open
it's
a
possibility,
but
if
we're
trying
to
sell
properties
and
on
average
they
bring
in
good
money
when
people
buy
homes
they
buy
other
stuff
to
go
with
it.
So
we
don't
want
to
deter
people
from
buying
homes.
So
I
don't
know.
If
that
answer
your
question
or
not
marked
I,
don't.
F
A
definitive
answer
as
how
they
take
care
of
it
yeah
the
real
estate
board-
that's
been
here.
That
is
here
to
probably
talk
more
about
that
they
did
move
their
signs
so
that
they
are
in
compliance,
so
it
is
possible
but
we're
just
trying
to
try
to
get
it.
If
you
were
trying
to
sell
your
house,
you
want
it
to
be
seen
playing
simple.
I
Sorry
I
did
that
and
basically
and
some
of
the
other
cities
didn't
meant
they
have
law
enforcement
issues
too,
for
what
they
did,
but
no
but
I.
Just
most
of
this
is
just
to
fight
know
that
nothing
is
allowed
in
the
public
right
away,
except
for,
of
course,
our
city
science
treats
a
governmental
signs
except
separately,
and
maybe.
F
H
I
F
K
H
I
H
J
Todd
I'll
from
from
the
staff
point
of
view,
the
reason.
One
of
the
reasons
we
don't
support,
it
is
public
right
away,
is
dedicated
for
public
purposes,
and
what
that
means
to
me
is
is
its
intended
to
accommodate
utilities.
It's
meant
to
accommodate
the
sidewalk.
It's
meant
to
accommodate
street
directional
signage
and
those
kind
of
conveyance
is
when
you
then
add
other
signage.
J
To
that
you
might
add
to
confusion
or,
as
you
stated
in
the
clerestory
review
site,
other
attributes
to
the
travel
that
shouldn't
be
there
and
so
from
a
right
away,
management
standpoint:
the
cleaner.
We
keep
the
right
away
from
I'll
call
it
private
uses
the
better
I
mean
because
we
one
thing
I
mean
we're
talking
about
realtor
signs
specifically,
but
you
kind
of
alluded
to
a
to
that.
We're
worried
about
creep.
J
You
know
we're
gonna
end
up
with
a
free-for-all
on
yard
sale,
signs
which
we
already
do
have
issues
with
and
I
mean
it
just
doesn't
stop
with
realtor
signs.
It
does
end
up
extending
to
all
manners
and
different
variations
of
cyanogen,
and
one
way
to
do
that
is
to
keep
the
right
ways
clear
period
and
I
don't
disagree
that
there
are
places
where
this
ordinance
would
be
a
challenge,
but
I
would
also
make
a
statement
that
those
windows
or
areas
are
soul
minor
in
the
overall
scope
of
how
many
miles
of
right
away.
J
G
Think
that
the
concern
about
right
away
creep
by
as
far
as
other
types
of
signs
you
talk
about
rummage,
sale,
signs,
a
saw
and
so
forth.
I
think
there's
a
distinct
difference
between
promoting
commerce
and
the
opportunity
for
homeowners
and
home
buyers,
homeowners
and
home
sellers.
The
the
best
opportunity
to
recognize
homes
for
sale
without
having
to
you
know,
get
creative
with
with
the
for
sale
signs
as
opposed
to
putting
them
out
on
the
right
away,
which
have
been
we've
been
doing
for
years
without
particular
incident
and
I.
G
A
So
one
of
the
things
is
the
safety
aspect
to
of
keeping
that
area
clear
and
open
for
for
field
of
view
and
and
Shane
or
Kenny.
Maybe
you
can
address
this.
Our
Clearview
triangle
actually
stems
not
from
the
curb
and
gutter,
but
from
the
edge
of
the
right
away
from
the
person's
private
property.
Correct,
correct.
J
A
J
So
it
becomes
between
a
30
and
35
foot
view
and
at
35
miles
an
hour
or
30
miles
an
hour.
You
know
you
have
to
have
that
ability
to
recognize
and
stop
in
that
short
distance.
If
there
is
a
conflict
that's
coming
out,
then
the
sign
may
block
that
view.
So
that's
that's
one
of
those
things
that
we're
concerned
about
and
and
in
general
you
know
real
estate
signs
aren't
that
tall,
but
but
they
add
to
the
test
site
issues.
H
D
K
Dave
Fuchs
the
Association
executive
for
the
Northeast
South
Dakota
Association
of
Realtors,
the
134
members
of
the
Northeast
South
Dakota
Association
of
Realtors,
would
like
to
encourage
your
approval
of
the
amendment
to
the
signage
ordinance
to
allow
real-estate
science
within
the
right
away
within
the
city
of
Watertown.
Visible
signage
is
an
extremely
important
aspect
of
real
estate,
marketing
to
both
buyers
and
sellers
prohibiting
real
estate
signs
in
the
right-of-way
present.
K
A
number
of
inherent
problems
to
the
90
million
dollar
real
estate
industry
in
Watertown
first
to
require
these
signs
to
be
outside
of
the
right
away,
will
require
them
to
be
set
back,
20
feet
from
the
street
for
many
homes
in
Watertown,
making
them
difficult
to
see
from
the
street.
This
difficulty
is
not
just
a
factor
of
the
distance
from
the
street,
but
also
the
visibility
of
information
on
the
sign
that
the
signage
ordinance
limits
to
6
square
feet.
K
If
we
are
required
to
place
signs
that
far
back,
then
many
of
the
current
signs
will
be
virtually
illegible
from
the
street.
Additionally,
each
property
will
need
to
have
its
exact
right-of-way
position
researched
and
determined,
as
there
is
not
a
consistent
standard
throughout
Watertown,
with
some
setbacks
as
much
as
65
feet.
K
Setting
a
sign,
23
feet
from
the
street
will,
in
some
cases,
be
completely
invisible
to
fencing
due
to
fencing
or
landscaping,
including
bushes
and
trees.
Those
homeowners
will
lose
the
benefit
of
any
real
estate
sign
advertisement
on
their
home.
The
sale
second
of
all
signage.
Promoting
an
open
house
would
also
deal
with
the
same
difficult
visibility
to
be
in
compliance
open
house.
K
Signage
is
not
limited
to
just
one
sign
per
frontage
like
for
sale,
signs
additional
open
house
signage
would
need
to
go
on
private
property,
get
owner
permission
and
research
and
locate
the
right-of-way
location
for
each
additional
sign.
All
of
this
for
a
one-hour
open
house
that
the
seller
considers
an
important
part
of
finding
a
buyer
for
their
home.
Having
your
approval
of
this
amendment
would
allow
those
signs
to
simply
be
put
in
the
public
right
away.
K
Third,
we
have
the
lake
property
and
lake
property
presents
a
different
set
of
challenges
if
signs
are
prohibited
from
the
right
away.
With
the
number
of
properties
of
the
lake,
many
with
much
narrower
Lots
than
we
experienced
in
town
setting
signage
twenty
feet
or
more
back
from
the
road
with
will
deal
with
obstructions
of
visibility
from
the
many
out
buildings
that
are
built
closer
to
the
road,
and
some
of
these
homes
have
literally
no
visibility
of
signage
from
the
road
as
their
garages
use.
The
entire
allowed
frontage
of
the
property.
K
D
K
Sign
ten
feet
in
the
air
stretching
over
the
bushes,
which
would
be
an
expensive
proposition
to
the
homeowner
and
not
really
in
the
standard
that
we
expect.
Finally,
what
is
the
real
impact
on
our
community
by
having
real
estate
signs
in
the
right-of-way?
Currently,
there
are
only
161
residential
properties
for
sale
in
Watertown.
That's
a
relatively
small
number
compared
to
the
total
number
of
residential
properties
in
town
buyers.
Consider
that
signage,
an
important
tool
to
see
what
homes
are
for
sale,
sellers
consider
them
critical
to
getting
a
buyer.
K
In
fact,
since
the
implementation
of
the
ordinance,
many
homeowners
have
moved
their
sign
back
into
the
right-of-way
after
their
realtor
moved
it
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance.
The
residents
of
Watertown
do
not
have
a
problem
with
where
real
estate
signs
have
been
in
the
past
at
the
city
council
work
session
to
discuss
this
ordinance
when
asked,
if
any
constituent
had
ever
contacted
a
council
member
about
real
estate
signs
in
the
right
away,
not
a
single
councilmember
had
received
a
call.
K
It
is
just
not
an
issue,
but
when
it
is
your
home
for
sale
being
prohibited
from
placing
a
real
estate
sign
in
the
right-of-way
will
be
an
issue
for
the
90
million
dollar
real
estate
industry
in
Watertown
and
the
homeowners
Realtors
and
many
service
industries
that
make
their
living
support
those
supporting
those
sales.
We
encourage
you
to
support
the
proposed
exemption
for
real
estate
signs.
A
H
H
L
G
Is
your
primary
concern?
The
real
estate
community
is
primary
concern.
The
lake
I
mean
I,
that's
been
come
up
a
few
different
times.
If
and
I
don't
even
know
if
this
is
doable,
but
if,
if
it
could
be
limited
to
the
lake
as
far
as,
if
that's
the
main
area
of
concern
for
the
right-of-way
is
that
it
was
that
what
I'm
hearing
the.
K
Late
presents
some
some
unique
challenges,
but
we
also
have
some
areas
in
town
where
there
is
no
sidewalk,
there's
no
clear
right
away.
It's
the
lake
is
unique
in
the
challenges
it
presents
and
the
closeness
of
them
the
allowance
of
the
garages,
the
many
garages
that
are
at
the
road
side
of
it
there
just
is
limited
access
there.
A
I
Sixty
six
feet,
we
not
generally
got
a
lot
of
40
or
42
foot
Road,
you
know
suited
basically
talking
about
thirteen
feet
behind
the
curb
you
know,
I
said
you
want
to
make
it
simplify
and
say:
okay,
any
sign,
they
can't
disseminate
a
property
line.
With
these
you
know,
go
ten
thirteen
feet
behind
the
curve
and
colligate.
I
A
I
E
I
A
B
E
When
you
say
additional
footnote
a
rewording
of
the
second
portion,
it
was
just
a
revision
of
what
came
and
the
public
notice,
and
so
we're
going.
What
you
would
do
is
amend,
make
a
motion
on
the
resolution
and
then,
if
you
are
in
favor
of
moving
forward
with
it,
you
make
a
motion
to
amend
to
conform
to
the
changes
that
were
presented,
which
is
just
changing
that
language
on
that
second
portion.
H
J
G
H
C
D
G
G
A
H
A
Thank
You
Ted
I'm
in
agreeance
with
you
and
I
guess,
I'd
just
say
that
you
know
I
understand
that
there's
some
challenges
in
specific
areas.
My
problem
is
that
this
is
kind
of
a
carte
blanc
statement
here
and
if
we
were
to
address
those
on
a
more
specific
basis,
I
think
we
could.
We
could
maybe
look
at
it
a
little
bit
differently.
K
B
J
Just
just
four
complete
the
conversation
this
will
appear
on
the
November
20
console
agenda
for
consideration
by
the
council
to
further
ratify
your
decision
or
vote,
discuss
and
vote
for
or
against.
The
resolution
that
come
comes
out
of
this
committee.
So
just
wanted
clarification
that
there's
one
more
step
and
when
it's
occurring
Thank.
A
B
Okay,
so
the
petitioner
water
tone,
development,
company
and
rambling
aren't
Center
are
the
owners
of
the
real
property
I'm
shown
in
this
exhibit
up
on
the
overhead.
The
petitioner
submitted
application
and
petition
on
November
1st
2017
requesting
approval
for
rezoning
the
current
described
property
from
BP
Business
Park
District,
two
i1
light
industrial
district
to
improve
the
marketability
of
the
Lots
included
some
facts
on
the
adjacent
zoning
designations.
B
There
is
a
one
to
the
West,
which
is
what
they
are
proposing
to
become
BP
Business
Park
District
is
to
the
north
and
the
east,
which
is
what
it
is
existing
and
then
the
land
south
of
the
property
is
not
an
extra
zoned
and
the
adjacent
public
right-of-ways
will
be
included
in
the
rezone.
The
minimum
lot
area
for
the
i1
districts
is
30,000
square
feet
and
for
the
BP,
not
the
i2
districts,
like
it
says,
is
3
acres
and
there's
approximately
61
acres
included
or
involved
in
the
rezone.
A
H
C
J
N
Papa
hole,
Watertown
real
estate
broker
a
lot
owner
back
in
April
or
May
I
applied
for
our
one
garage
and
sent
out
the
notices
and
did
everything
that
was
right
and
came
back
and
we
played
for
building
permits.
My
two
buyers
and
the
lights
came
up
and
talked
to
the
building.
I
wanted
to
find
out
what
we
had
to
do
to
get
things
done,
and
actually
we
haven't
done.
A
damn
thing.
N
N
N
N
There's
one
part
of
the
property
is
I
on
the
county,
so
maybe
what
we
would
do
is
just
make
you
curb
and
gutter
your
site.
We're
really
curb
gutter,
1/2
of
a
road
for
property
to
set
there
for
41
40
years
and
hasn't
done
anything
well
now
that
doesn't
seem
realistic.
You
know,
maybe
we
should
do
something
different.
N
This
I
would
say
if
I
hear
things
right,
there
has
been
more
discussion
on
this
property
than
there
was
on
the
development
on
the
hill,
honest
to
god,
it's
Ben,
Burtt,
reworked
and
all
for
the
sake
of
wanting
to
have
access
to
my
property
down
the
line
from
hitting
me
there's
eight
ten
properties
that
have
access
to
the
old
139,
which
is
now
North,
Lake
Drive.
The
state
didn't
allow,
because
state
highway
you've
turned
over
to
the
city
of
Watertown.
Building
permits
evidently
have
been
issued,
but
none
of
this
access
problem.
N
N
N
Guys
are
just
a
new
building,
downtown
and
Broadway.
That's
got
steel,
siding
on
the
side
go
up
and
down
the
alleys
go
on
Maple
Street.
All
those
people
have
got
beautiful
steel
say,
but
you
can't
put
that
on
my
garage,
something's
wrong
and
every
20
feet
of
building.
You
have
to
make
a
cubicle
or
something
out
2
feet
by
6
feet
or
8
feet
and
then
go
back
and
then
extend
again.
I
tell
you
for
the
simplicity
of
selling
a
stupid
light
that
I've
owned
for
40
years
or
close
to
there
close
to
that
I'm.
N
Nowhere
and
we're
going
to
think
about
it.
Well
talked
about
it.
The
last
thing
I
heard
was
well.
Maybe
it
would
be
a
good
idea
if
the
city
just
put
a
approach
to
the
whatever
the
lane
that
is
grouse
lane
and
gets
you
inside,
but
there'd
be
a
problem
now
now
the
problem
would
be
you'd
have
to
run
culverts.
N
This
is
my
dilemma:
I
had
two
people
that
want
to
buy
a
lot
and
if
I
had
sold
them
the
lights,
which
they
should
have
done
and
they
had
no
further
obligation
but
as
a
licensed
real
estate
person
that
somebody
wanted
to
be
fair
to
buyers.
I
wanted
to
do
things
right
to
make
things
right
and
I've
got
slapped
in
the
face
spit
upon
and
honest
to
god.
I,
don't
know
what,
where
we're
heading
for,
and
this
ordinance
change.
N
J
Right
Thank,
You
Pat
for
your
summary,
I
I,
believe
there's
a
couple
things
that
maybe
got
left
out
and
I'll
fill
in
a
couple.
Holes
I
mean
kangkang,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
the
challenge
is
number
one.
You
could
sell
those
properties
to
anyone
you
want
to
at
any
time
and
that
and
that's
I'm
not
being
saying
that
to
be
no
I'm
saying
that
to
be
factual,
not
facetious,
you
know,
I
have
no
no
ill.
Will
here
I'm
just
trying
to
be
factual,
so
you
could
have
sold
those
at
any
time.
J
D
J
Okay,
so
the
challenge
is:
this
has
sat
still
idle
since
the
80s,
when
this
was
was
plaited
and
annexed.
So
the
issue
lies
with
the
lack
of
follow-through
on
details
related
to
the
Platts
that
were
proved
in
the
80s.
No
public
improvements
were
completed
with
pheasant
lane
or
any
of
its
tributary
roadways
onto
Lake
Drive.
What
my
staff
has
been
working
with
and
trying
to
get
answers
from
mr.
J
The
future
improvements
so,
in
other
words,
were
we're
discussing
the
not
needing
asphalt,
not
needing
curb
and
gutter
and
those
kind
of
things
at
this
time.
What
we
would
would
ask
for
is
that
the
proper
grading
and
base
work
and
things
done
be
done
to
accommodate
gravel
road
and
also
then
we
would
handle
some
drainage
concerns
by
having
you
know,
shallow
ditches,
alongside
the
roadway
as
well
now
granted
that's
easy
to
say,
because
we
haven't
done
one
lick
of
surveying
to
depict
what
that
train
and
those
drainage
issues
would
be.
J
D
J
Manages
that
property
now
and
we
did
have
a
meeting
with
with
dock
Howard
and
I'm,
not
going
to
put
any
words
in
Doc's
mouth
or
anything
from
that,
but
it
was
a.
It
was
a
fairly
decent
conversation
and
what
I
gather
out
of
it
is
that,
because
all
of
these
highlighted
properties
are
in
the
city
limits
and
if
we
focus
on
just
the
city
limits
portion
of
this
properties
that
are
involved.
J
Right,
but
we
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
improve
the
entirety
of
pheasant
Lane.
There
are
and
I'm
just
I,
don't
remember
exactly
where
some
of
the
properties
that
are
involved
here
but
say
say
you
came
in
grouse
or
whatever
this
one
is
here
and
exited
over
here
or
came
in
from
this
direction
and
exited
over
here
we
could
do
improvements
in
areas
that
are
more
than
50
percent
and
and
mr.
Howard
didn't
even
say
that
he
wouldn't
be
he's,
got
other
issues
that
are
gone
out.
There.
J
People
drive
back
there
that,
presumably
without
permission
or
that
you
know
different
things
activities.
So
he
didn't
even
say
that
he
was
completely
opposed
about
the
improvements.
What
he
was
opposed
to
is
that
he
doesn't
believe
in
his
lifetime
that
he
or
his
family
are
going
to
sell
any
of
the
properties
to
someone
else.
So
then,
which
means
that
they
don't
technically
need
the
improvements,
but
he
didn't
say
that
he
wouldn't
support
the
need
for
some
improvements,
but.
J
J
Noli,
okay,
so
we
could,
if
we
did
it
by
waiver
right
to
protest,
then,
as
each
building
gets
a
building
permit
or
subsequent
improvements
that
invokes
the
assessment.
Okay,
so
I
mean
we've
done
that
in
the
past
now,
we'd
have
to
vet
this
through
and
make
sure
that
that's
the
right
way
to
do
it,
but
that's
the
idea.
Is
that
say,
for
instance,
from
from
this
driveway
entrance
here
to
this
driveway
entrance.
J
All
of
those
are
owned
by
all,
but
one
are
owned
by
others
other
than
mr.
hower,
and
he
wouldn't
be
able
to
protest
that
improvement.
Now.
What
we
also
would
do
is
find
a
way
to
write
an
agreement
that
says
whenever
the
this
property
over
here
connects
to
whatever
public
improvement
is
done,
they
have
to
pay
a
pro
rata
fee
back
to
the
community
to
recover
those
costs.
We've
done
that.
J
J
The
the
challenges
are
a
few
yet
but
I
I
would
say
that
the
city
has
to
consider
and
adopt
a
minimal
maintenance
road
for
pheasant
lane
and
identified
the
waiver
right
to
protest,
how
we
want
to
handle
that
aspect
of
the
project.
That's
my
update
and
I
was
hoping
to
do
this
to
mr.
bull
Mahal
personally,
not
in
in
the
public
forum
and
then
bring
it
through
the
public
forum,
but
that's
Pat.
That's
where
I'm
at
and
I
apologize.
J
M
H
J
We
do
things
differently
than
in
the
80s.
Now
we
do
development
agreements
and
the
development
agreements
push
for
the
improvements
to
be
done
in
a
certain
period
of
time
by
ordinance.
That
is
two
years
unless
otherwise
agreed
upon
by
the
council
to
do
a
longer
term.
So
so,
in
essence,
going
all
the
projects
going
forward
will
not
not
be
done
by
the
same
process.
Would.
H
J
So
the
majority
of
the
property
is
zoned
residential
and
when
we
we
would
allow
that
residential
use
in
anything,
this
is
owned.
Our
G
would
be
allowable
uses
for
what
that
that
entails.
Now
what
this
temporary
surfacing
and
minimum
maintenance
road
does
not
intend
to
have
I'll
call
it.
The
heavy
utilities
installed
we're
not
going
to
put
water
mania
in
it.
We're
not
going
to
put
sewer
meat
in
it
and
we're
not
gonna.
So
they'll
get
power,
maybe
telephone
if
they
can
convince
the
telephone
companies
to
bring
it
down
to
them
if
they
need
it.
J
J
D
H
N
On
the
right
side
of
proposed
road
that
would
go
in
years
ago,
I
was
the
one
that
went
and
they
saw
this
thing
and
again
I.
Did
it
as
a
real
estate
broker
and
asked
the
city
to
move
that
road
they
had
it.
They
had
that
access
into
that
that
property
that
was
down
below
the
hill
and
I
said
it
looks.
It
looks
like
we're.
Gonna
have
a
tragedy.
N
People
coming
out
of
that
that
Lane
and
you
got
40
mile
an
hour
traffic
there's
no
place
in
Watertown.
It
has
40
mile
an
hour,
speed
limits
except
out
there
with
city
property
on
both
sides,
and
yet
the
property
that
I
got
is
wide
open.
I
mean
there's
just
nothing
so
I
guess
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
the
saleability
of
the
Lots,
you
know
I,
don't
know.
I
was
just
trying
to
be
a
good
neighbor
and
these
guys
are
trying
to
be
good.
You
know
it
said.
N
E
D
N
N
C
C
N
N
I
D
C
I
H
N
N
N
H
Was
just
thinking
if
you
put
a
12
foot
wide
easement
on
the
northwest
side
of
that
property,
getting
down
to
the
two
neighbor
to
the
south,
somehow
be
able
to
shimmy?
Oh
yeah
run
that
corner
a
12
foot
strip
all
the
way
down
to
the
other
guys
place.
You
might
have
to
take
some
trees
out
of
the
front.
Somehow
I
don't
know
what
the
policy
is
for
the
city
to
get
access
off,
that
public
I,
don't
approve
public
right
away.
H
J
B
J
So
this
is
a
might.
I
can't
see
the
screen
so
so
that
this
is
gross,
and
this
is
pheasant
Lee,
so
to
be
fully
compliant
for
access.
It
would
be
here
and
to
here,
and
that
would
be
one
way
to
do
it
without
an
easement.
The
the
the
big
concessions
that
the
city's
had
in
our
discussion
so
far
is
right.
Now
our
minimum
road
is
base
asphalt,
curb
and
gutter
and,
if
necessary,
storm
sewer,
and
we
need
to
really
digest.
J
If
we're
going
to
do
this
now,
you
say
that
that's
no
big
deal
but
I
can
count
to
multiple
streets
in
this
town
that
were
allowed
to
be
gravel,
and
even
though
the
pavement
numbers
or
traffic
numbers
would
show
that
they
absolutely
need
to
be
paved.
We
have
an
impossible
task
to
try
to
get
them
paved
in.
H
H
D
J
Then
then,
you
have
to
have
a
an
idea
of
how
many
Lots
improvements
are
going
to
trigger
that
improvement
project.
Is
it
one
more?
Is
it
three
more?
Is
it
ten
more
that
so
there's
there's
lots
of
complicated
conversations
that
we
don't
have
easy
answers
for
you
know
do
we
do
we
set
a
just
a
time
limit
like
you
said
ten
years,
and
then
you
build
a
road.
Well,
if
there's
only
still
the
two
in
ten
years,
then
they're
span
paying
an
absorbing
amount
for
a
small
road.
J
So
there
are
so
many
issues
and
facets
here
and
I
and
I
get
it
if
I
was
mr.
moe
hold
I
would
be
pulling
my
hair
out
too,
and
I
probably
have
already
you
know
over
time.
But
you
know
these
aren't
easy
easy
answers,
and
the
easiest
thing
is
is
that
we
can
recognize
that
back
in
the
80s,
when
this
was
a
concept,
and
somebody
thought
that
there's
going
to
be
no
issue
of
this
taken
off
and
being
done.
That
was
short-sighted
and
it
failed.
J
So
now
we
have
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
discuss
here
has
a
path
to
success
and
believe
me:
we've
talked
about
who's.
Gonna
maintain
the
road,
because
it's
a
hazard
for
the
street
department.
They
have
to
go
in
and
manage
this
little
bitty
area
for
grading
gravel.
It's
a
hazard
for
the
the
fire
department.
Are
they
gonna
be
able
to
get
their
equipment
in
there
and
service
that
thing
where's,
the
nearest
fire
hydrant
all
that
stuff.
If
they
have
generate
garbage?
J
H
J
I
can't
speak
for
the
fire
department
and
the
garbage
and
all
that,
but
here's
what
I,
what
I'm
thinking
about
is,
if
we
do
this
as
a
minimum
maintenance
road
that
we
would
put
all
those
responsibilities
on
on
the
private
people
like
I,
don't
think
I
can
turn
that
on.
You
have
to
turn
that
on
rainy,
but
the
we
would
have
to
make
sure
that
whatever
level
of
service
we
offer,
those
folks
is
what
we
can
provide,
and
you
know
so
having
a
travel
bowl
surface
is
important
for
the
emergency
people.
J
Obviously
the
people
that
would
develop
in
those
would
need
electricity,
whether
they
need
gas
for
for
an
alternate
heating
source
or
if
they're.
If
we
allow
propane
tanks,
do
we
even
allow
propane
tanks
in
the
community?
I
J
N
B
Would
I
think
a
couple
of
the
people
that
mr.
moe
hold
have
been
working
with?
They've
came
in
and
talked
and
asked
about
access
as
well
and
then
otherwise
just
the
property
to
the
West
there,
the
Southwest
he
has
concerns
about
the
right-of-way
going
through
his
property
and
then
potentially
wanting
to
move
that.
H
Well,
maybe
what
needs
to
be
done
is
maybe
there
should
be
a
meeting
of
the
property
owners
to
find
out
what
the
intent
of
all
of
the
property
owners
want
to
do
out
there.
Maybe
they
don't,
maybe
they're
not
even
aware
of
the
issues
that
mr.
Mahal
is
being
going
has
gone
through,
and
it's
not
an
issue
right
now,
but
next
year,
maybe
just
six
people
who
wanna
do
the
same
thing
as
mr.
H
Mahal
and
now
we've
got
something
boiling
to
the
head
and
maybe
maybe
trying
to
set
up
a
goal
to
meet
with
all
of
the
landowners
out
there
as
a
staff
and
explain
the
issues
to
them.
So
they
understand
what's
going
on
and
then
maybe
hopefully,
sometime
after
the
first
of
the
year.
We
have
some
sort
of
policy
because
we
know
that's
gonna,
take
us
two
or
three
months
to
get
something
through
the
council
and
and
everything
so
that
maybe
by
spring,
we've
got
something
ready
that
we
can.
J
Yeah,
no
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
have
major
heartburn
over
I
have
a
huge
philosophy
problem
here:
people
own
property
and
if
they
can't
get
a
building
permit
because
there
isn't
public
access,
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
figure
that
out,
because
otherwise,
if
nobody
can
get
a
building
permit
and
they
all
own
property
there
to
me,
that's
an
issue
in.
J
H
G
Agree
with
that
this-this-this,
the
our
G
thing,
particularly
in
this
location,
has
come
up
before
the
well
a
number
of
times
over
the
past
year
or
two
or
three
since
I
beer,
and
what
I
think
we
will
miss
from
a
whole
there's
just
a
commitment
that
we're
gonna
stay.
You
know
stay
on
it
and
stay
the
course
and
come
up
with
something
may
not
necessarily
be
to
your
liking,
but
at
least
have
some
resolution
in
some
fashion.
Well,
you
know.
N
M
N
Of
them,
there's
a
guy
that
just
built
a
house
or
just
yeah
just
or
just
bought
I
bought
a
house
out
there.
He
bought
two
and
then
all
the
way
through.
It's
just
been
that
people
wanted
I
know
people
have
talked
as
neighbors,
we
talked
yeah,
we
want
to
build
buildings,
and
it's
it's
just
not
gonna
work,
because
your
your
houses
would
have
to
face
pheasant
Wayne,
who
have
no
sewer
water
and
garbage
well.
J
H
H
A
road
and
our
policy
is
going
to
take
care
of
these
sins
of
our
fathers.
By
not
doing
right,
we
can
build
this
minimum
maintenance
road,
but
it's
only
gonna
be
garages
that
are
serving
it.
Maybe
that's
something
we
can
live
with
it.
If
doc,
Howard
has
no
intention
in
the
next
25
years.
Remember:
development
right.