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Plan Commission agenda for 6-21-18
A
A
B
A
A
Pulled
it
down
here,
so,
okay,
thanks
Brandi,
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
an
invitation
for
public
comment.
Participants
middle.
So
if
you
have
something
you'd
like
to
say
from
the
public
to
the
board,
that's
not
covered
under
one
of
these
agenda
items
go
ahead
and
approach
the
bench
and
sign
up
now.
We'll
have
some
time
later
on
to
talk.
B
Want
to
make
a
couple
amendments
to
the
agenda
before
we
approve
it
before
a
motion
to
approve
so
I'll
be
I,
have
a
substitute
resolution,
2018
23
that
will
be
under
six
agenda
item
6b
and
then
I
have
a
amendment
to
resolution
number
2018
22,
which
is
under
agenda
item
7b
and
then
I
have
an
agenda
item
9
to
amend
the
plat
of
olive
place.
Addition
as
well
as
the
development
agreement,
language
under
9a
and
those
have
all
been
distributed
to
you,
which
are
what
are
in
front
of
you.
That
I
hand
it
out.
C
A
B
E
G
G
G
Now
Todd,
you
and
I
have
worked
on
several
around
the
state,
and
so
the
reason.
Why
is
just
to
give
you
a
background
and
because
planning
and
zoning
does
play
an
integral
part
when
it
comes
to
tax,
increment
financing
and
the
reason?
Why
is
it's
sort
of
a
two-pronged
test?
Whenever
you
bring
eight,
what
I
would
call
a
TIF
before
a
public
body.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
looks
at
it
from
a
very
technical
standpoint:
does
it
meet
the
boundaries?
Does
it
fall
within
the
actual
zoning
requirements
and
then
there's
a
couple?
G
G
When
you
go
into
community
and
say
it's
a
TIF
and
you
ask
what
it
is
and
they'll
say
it's
a
disagreement
among
newlyweds,
because
it's
more
misunderstood
than
it
is
understood,
but
in
a
state
like
South
Dakota,
it's
really
one
of
the
most
powerful
economic
development
tools
that
we
have
when
I
was
at
goe
D,
there's
nothing
more
I
love
to
do
is,
go
out
and
say:
hey.
We
have
no
corporate
income
tax,
no
state
income,
tax,
no
business
inventory
tax
and
then
they
would
say:
okay,
what
can
you
offer
us
throw
in
an
incentive?
G
What
can
you
do
for
us
over
that
and
I'd
say?
Well,
we
have
all
this
no
tax,
but
when
you
have
no
tax,
you
also
really
are
taken
a
knife
to
a
gunfight
when
you
go
against
an
Iowa
when
you
go
against
the
North
Dakota,
because
they
can
offer
a
lot
of
incentives
because
they
tax
their
people
with
a
TIF,
it's
it's
an
incentive
to
offset
what
I
would
call
infrastructure
costs
impediments.
G
Our
biggest
impediment
in
the
state
to
development
is
infrastructure,
but
one
of
our
greatest
tools
to
accomplish
that
is
on
a
tax,
increment,
financing
and
I
know.
The
city
has
used
them
several
years
ago
and
it's
been
a
while,
and
so
that's
where
today
is
just
meant
to
be
a
refresher
in
terms
of
how
it
would
work.
A
lot
of
acronyms
are
thrown
out
whether
it's
a
TIF
or
a
Ted.
It's
essentially
the
same
at
it
as
the
district
of
the
contiguous
boundaries
that
are
involved.
The
TIF
is
the
financing
that
goes
with
it.
G
So
you
can
create
a
boundary
all
you
want,
but
if
you
don't
have
the
revenue
or
the
money
to
do
something
to
pay
for
that
infrastructure
cost
you're
sort
of
dead
on
arrival,
and
so
that's
where
the
two
acronyms
float
back
and
forth.
A
lot
of
questions
come
up
within
a
TIF
and
the
biggest
one
is
always
going
to
be.
Does
this
impact
the
school
districts?
G
The
TIF
has
no
impact
on
a
school's
general
fund.
What
happens
is
when
you
go
to
establish
a
TIF?
You
can
establish
at
one
of
two
ways
with
the
state
of
South
Dakota.
You
can
do
it
as
economic
development,
which
is
very
vague
and
defined
to
be
vague
in
this
state,
because
if
I
go
to
ego
Butte
economic
development
up,
there
is
going
to
be
a
veterinarian.
G
If
I
come
to
Watertown
economic
development
going
to
have
a
much
different
definition
as
though,
if
I
go
to
Pier,
so
it's
trying
to
define
what
economic
development
is
and
if
it
is
economic
development,
the
state
says
they
will
make
the
school's
general
fund
whole.
So
all
of
us,
in
this
room
in
one
form
or
another,
offset
Tiff's
statewide,
it's
equalized
statewide.
It
really
comes
into
with
a
rounding
error.
G
It's
about
0.01
of
a
mill
levy
because
you're
talking
on
a
several,
you
know
one
hundred
billion
valuation
that
the
state
has,
but
then
it's
also
used
as
a
tool
down
on
a
local
level.
What's
nice
about
a
TIF?
Is
it's
self
police?
It's
what
you
feel
as
the
the
city,
the
county,
in
the
direction
that
you
want
to
go,
there's
not
necessarily
a
tiff
police
at
the
state,
but
there's
some
boundaries
that
you
must
fit
in
with
that
and
with
that
so
codified
law.
G
You
have
to
look
at
what
I
would
call
the
but-for
test
with
this
project
have
happened,
but
for
eight,
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
feasibility
of
it-
and
these
are
all
stated
out
in
statutes
that
should
you
have
a
tiff
request
come
before
you,
there'll
be
a
tiff
plan
and
it'll
be
listed
items
out
and
then
they're
gonna
look
at
and
they
go.
Will
this?
How
will
be
classified
as
the
state?
We
know
we
want
to
be
as
economic
development
if
it's
classified
as
other,
then
what
happens?
G
Is
the
state
doesn't
hold
the
general
fund
harmless
of
the
school,
but
rather
the
local
people
do
long
story
shorter
somebody,
as
will
it
raise
my
taxes.
The
answer
is
yes,
so
that's
why
we
want
economic
development,
because
it's
very
hard
to
sit
in
a
room
and
knowingly
raise
some
buddies
tax
without
you
know
making
it
out
alive.
G
The
other
things
that
we
look
at
within
the
TIF
plan,
the
who,
what
where
when
why
it's
all
spelled
out.
It's
an
open
public
document,
full
disclosure,
there's
public
hearings
that
are
involved.
It
comes
before
the
Planning
and
Zoning.
First,
it's
advertised
in
the
paper
ten
days
prior
to
your
meeting.
The
public
has
a
chance
to
give
input
to
it.
The
Commission
excuse
me
the
the
planning
zoning
commission.
Your
job
is
to
review
it
for
the
technical
aspects
of
it.
G
So
if
something
comes
before
you
we're
gonna
purely
look
at
it
on
a
technical
basis,
and
you
know
recommend
it
up
base
that
it
falls
within
those
technical
basis,
things
that
you'll
see
within
a
TIF
plan,
most
importantly
or
what
are
the
eligible
costs
and
I
have
in
here
on
page
six,
the
eligible
costs.
Now
these
are
within
codified
law,
but
I
also
call
it
the
smell
test,
and
so
you
can
put
professional
fees,
you
can
put
administrative
costs.
You
can
put
developer
fees
into
that.
G
Having
done
fifty
sixty
TIF
plans
that
does
not
pass
my
smell
test
rather
I
want
to
look
at
things
that
are
infrastructure,
related
Road
water
sewer.
Yes,
engineering
is
part
of
that
and
it's
you
know
in
that
infrastructure
costs.
If
you
look
at
a
TIF
plan-
and
it
says
okay,
the
developers
coming
in
and
they're
asking
for
a
million
dollar
developer
fee
that
doesn't
that
pass
my
smell
test
and
it's
not
something
I'd
ever
recommend
you
guys
to
pass.
G
At
the
same
time,
even
though
it
is
an
allowable
under
statute
to
have
that
a
lot
of
times,
you'll
see
also
with
a
TIF-
and
this
is
what's
very
important
in
the
plan-
is
that
we
show
a
feasibility
study.
You
can
have
10
million
of
eligible
costs,
but
if
you
only
have
2
million
of
revenue,
it's
not
feasible
and
so
9
out
of
10
times
you're
going
to
have
costs
that
exceed
what
your
revenue
will
produce
and
a
good
example
I
have
on
that
is
on
page
7,
and
what
that
shows
is.
G
This
is
one
that
we
did
down
in
Kimball
and
what
I
like
about
this
I'll
point
out.
Another
direction
as
you'll
see,
we
had
actual
costs
of
8.4
million,
but
the
TIF
request
was
only
all
for
about
2
million.
What's
also
neat
about,
this
is
you'll
see
I
have
in
there
a
county
admin
fee,
and
these
are
things
that
you
can
do
within
a
TIF,
so
you
might
say:
well,
why
is
the
county
charged
in
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
as
an
admin
fee?
G
Well,
the
reason
we
charged
a
hundred
thousand
is
because
then
we
went
to
the
d-o-t
and
we
match
that
hundred
thousand
to
get
400
thousand
from
the
d-o-t
to
put
five
hundred
thousand
into
a
road,
and
so
these
are
things
that
you
can
get
creative
when
we
represent
the
government
side
of
to
further
leverage
a
TIF
into
other
funds
for
infrastructure
related
projects,
and
so
should
something
come
before
you
might
seem
a
little
wacky.
You
can
always
look
down
and
say:
well
that's
why
that
hundred
thousand
makes
sense.
G
We're
gonna
generate
five
hundred
thousand
of
new
roads.
That
would
go
into
a
project
like
that.
The
process
then
goes
along.
You
file
it
with
the
state
of
South
Dakota,
and
then
it
becomes
a
living
breathing
document
where
the
state
tracks
them
every
year.
You'll
see
every
now,
and
then
we
get
legislation
that
comes
up
in
the
Municipal
League
adamantly
and
rightfully
generally
opposes
because
there's
been
a
run
on
tips
where
they
want
to
get
rid
of
them.
G
But
once
again
it's
one
of
our
most
part
for
tools
that
we
have
the
the
last
part
of
a
TIF,
and
this
doesn't
involve
the
planning
and
zoning.
But
I
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
overview
of
how
it
works
is,
what's
called
a
developer's
agreement
and
that's
where
the
City
Council
answers
into
an
agreement
with
that
developer
and
they
say
mr.
developer.
You
will
do
this
this
and
this
a
lot
of
times.
G
If
it's
with
a
manufacturing
plant,
we
might
say
you
will
produce
number
of
jobs
with
an
X
number
of
years.
We
always
try
to
keep
the
government
in
the
driver's
seat
and
always
on
the
offense
and
never
on
the
defense,
and
we
can
do
that
through
the
developer's
agreement.
But
we
also
know
that
bumps
in
the
road
happen
with
economies.
If
we
have
another,
two
thousand,
eight
or
whatever
we
may
have
where
it's
meant
to
be
a
working
document.
G
Over
time,
because
you
know
councils
changeover
planning,
zoning
changes
over
companies
may
change
ownership
and
it
really
allows
you
know,
say:
focus
Watertown
to
come
back
or
whoever
it
may
be
to
continue
to
work
on
with
whoever
that
holder
of
that
TIF
might
be
at
that
time,
and
we
spell
a
lot
of
things
out
who's
responsible.
One
of
the
things
that
we
always
try
not
to
do
is
to
have
the
government
borrow
money.
G
We
don't
like
to
have
that
liability
on
their
site,
but
rather
we
put
it
back
on
the
developer
side,
the
more
liability
we
can
reduce,
if
not
eliminate
the
better
off
everybody
is
it's.
It's
not
the
job
of
the
government
to
make
the
developer's
dream
come
true,
it's
their
job
to
get
up
every
morning
and
go
out,
make
it
happen,
and
rather
we
act
as
a
partner
as
a
catalyst
through
a
tax
increment
district
to
make
that
happen.
So.
C
C
G
We
do
is
we
put
that
liability
on
the
developer,
so
they
go
out,
they
put
the
infrastructure
and
the
TIF
reimburses
them
right.
So
some
happens
to
that
developer
near
five.
If
the
city
will
still
pass
that
on,
but
they're,
not
the
one
that
owes
Great
Western
Bank
Wells
Fargo,
who
are
it,
is
it's
only
their
job
to
pass
on
the
positive
increment,
nothing
else.
Yeah.
C
G
Maybe
this
is
a
good
or
a
bad
example,
but
you
take
was
a
northern
premium
beef
in
Aberdeen
that
TIF
made
that
go
well.
The
first
owners
did
not
do
too
well
and
I,
don't
think
the
second
orders
or
whatever,
but
you
know
what
they
have
an
asset
up
there.
They
have
a
building,
they
have
the
infrastructure,
something
will
happen
in
there.
It
was
never
under
the
back
of
the
government.
They
never
had
any
liability
to
it
and
that's
the
responsibility
of
the
developer
to
make
that
happen.
So
if.
G
Of
the
things
we
did
in
2010
when
we
changed
the
law,
is
it
used
to
be
that
all
this
had
to
go
out
to
public
bed
and
and
is
nothing
wrong
with
public
bid?
But
when
you
do
a
true
public
bid,
the
government
holds
that
contract.
Well,
I
didn't
like
that,
because
if
the
developer
didn't
have
the
financing
to
pay
for
it,
the
city
of
Watertown
still
holds
that
contract.
So
we
changed
it
to
have
an
a
local
project,
cost
called
a
grant
and
that
way
that
conveyed
that
right
to
that
developer.
G
G
We
can
tell
them
to
do
that,
but
when
I,
when
I
got
into
an
argument
with
legislative
audit
and
I
lost-
and
they
said
no
Toby-
your
your
County
or
your
city
has
to
hold
that
contract
under
true
codified
law.
So
that's
when
we
went
back
in
and
changed
a
law,
so
that's
where
you'll
see
something.
Now
it's
allocated
as
a
grant
and
a
lot
of
times
what
we
do
is
we
say:
okay,
we'll
allocate
you
four
million,
but
there's
no
interest
associated
with
it.
We
don't
want
to
have
that
compounded.
G
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
paying
it
back.
We
want
a
dollar-for-dollar
amortization,
so
every
time
a
dollar
comes
in
and
revenue
a
dollar
pays
that
down.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
what
day
it
came
in
what
the
interest
rate
was,
what
any
resets
were
and
then
it's
much
easier
for
the
finance
officer
to
track
it
as
well.
Toby.
C
I
know
you
might
be-
you
might
be
touching
upon
this
in
your
presentation,
but
I
know
that
some
communities
have
used
TIF
financing
to
do
housing,
and
now
there
has
been
some
changes
in
the
state
law,
so
we
are
somewhat
restricted
as
far
as
how
we
may
use
TIF
financing
for
housing
for
workforce
housing.
Would
you
just
briefly
touch
on
that?
A.
G
Great
point:
Todd:
we,
when
you
have
a
program
that
sometimes
self-policing
the
self
and
the
policing
go
away.
So
there
was
some
tips
that
were
used
for
developments
that
had
some
higher
end
homes,
and
that
wasn't
the
way
you
and
I
would
probably
think
about.
The
way
should
be
so
advised
the
governor's
office
for
about
a
year
because
they
wanted
to
get
away
completely
on
a
fort
of
or
on
housing.
Well,
affordable
housing
is
a
true
economic
development
component
in
the
state.
G
So
what
we
did,
as
we
put
in
some
benchmarks,
that
it
had
to
adhere,
if
you
do,
a
housing,
TIFF
and
the
first-time
buyer
or
the
the
homes
were
restricted
to
the
price
of
South
Dakota
housings,
first-time
buyer,
which
is
250,000.
That's
a
little
bit
high,
a
lot
of
communities
Harrisburg.
We
did
one
where
we
said
the
homes
had
to
be
restricted
to
two
hundred
thousand
or
less
if
they
were
doing
multi-family
homes.
G
You
know
we
didn't
want
to
have
nice
apartments
along
the
river
and
pier,
where
I'm
from
with
granite
countertops
that
were
getting
eighteen
hundred
a
month.
No,
it's
meant
to
be
multifamily
where
we
put
a
benchmark
in
there.
What
was
the
local
ami
a
ver
ajma'in
income
is
what
there's
a
formula
that
goes
in
there
to
prevent
abuses
is
really
what
it
amounts
to,
and
those
were
some
of
the
major
changes
that
came
out
this
last
year
that
and
trying
to
define
economic
development
more.
G
The
longest
TIF
can
go
is
20
years
from
the
year
of
creation.
The
developers
agreement
can
restrict
it
even
shorter.
You
can
go
five
years.
You
can
go
three
and
go
18.
You
can
go
17
and
a
half.
It's
all
what
you
put
in
that
developer's
agreement.
Legally,
you
cannot
go
more
than
20.
We
always
try
to
keep
the
city
in
the
county
because
they're
the
only
two
that
can
do
the
TIF
in
the
driver's
seat
and
that's
what
that
development
agreement.
Does
that's
a
binding
document
and
here's
what
I
like
about
it.
G
Remember
when
you
pay
tax
as
it
goes
to
the
county,
and
if
it's
the
city,
Tift
and
the
county
pays
the
city
in
the
city
pays
a
developer.
Well,
he
you,
as
a
cash,
is
the
ruler.
So
if
you
have
the
cash
before
you
pay
it
out,
they
don't
adhere
to
the
plan.
You
can
enforce
it
quite
quite
a
bit,
but
if
you
don't
have
the
cash,
you
can't
enforce
it.
G
You
know.
Lastly,
the
hardest
part
of
a
TIF
is
figuring
out
the
projections
it
it's
more
of
an
art
than
it
is
a
science.
You
have
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
play.
You
have
fluctuating
mill
levies
every
year
you
have
different
valuations,
you
can
have
the
legislature
monkey
with
stuff,
and
so
that's
where
it's
your
best
guess
at
the
same
time.
G
No,
but
if
you
put
that
responsibility
on
the
developer
and
things
go
wrong
in
five
years,
it's
not
the
city
or
the
county's
fault,
that's
the
developers
risk
that
they
take
and
that's
in
exchange
what
they
get
for
a
TIF
now,
I,
probably
whip
through
that
pretty
quick
I've
had
about
six
cups
of
coffee
today
and
been
on
the
road
and
I'm
glad
you
guys
meet
at
4:00
in
the
afternoon.
Madison
was
at
7:00
in
the
morning.
G
A
B
Okay,
so
we
have
a
proposed
project
that
the
lot
is
north
of
st.
Mary's
Cemetery
and
it's
currently
zoned
pewdie,
and
so
how
this
will
work
is.
This
is
our
intent
of
the
proposed
plan,
we'll
discuss
it
and
then
it'll
come
back
as
a
public
hearing
and
final
development
plan
that
plan
Commission
approves
so.
B
We'll
go
through
that
the
petitioner
is
Leslie
and
David
McElhaney,
who
are
the
owners
of
the
property?
The
developer
is
a
stencil
group
and
joy.
Nelson
is
working
with
them
as
the
agent,
so
the
petitioners
submitted
a
concept
plan
of
their
intent
for
the
property
of
218
19th
Street
southeast,
which
is
zoned
PUD
Planned
Unit
development.
Stencil
group
is
the
developer
of
the
project,
but
they
did
not
currently
own
the
property.
B
The
property
was
rezone
to
PUD,
to
be
used
for
multi-family
residential
district
and
was
approved
by
City
Council
on
September
15
2008,
but
no
development
plans
were
implemented.
A
request
to
incorporate
two
three-story
apartment
buildings
are
submitted
on
June
14
2018.
The
initial
review
by
the
urban
planner,
a
building
official
and
Fire
Marshall
show
that
the
plan
is
compliant
to
code
and
ordinance.
B
C
B
B
B
C
B
I
did
have
contact
with
their
engineer,
who
was
calling
too
young
with
Austen
engineering,
and
he
sent
because
I
believe
that
the
last
pewdie
the
site
plan
issue
was
that
during
the
detention
for
the
drainage
and
then
also
my
asked
if
they
would
provide
turning
movements-
and
this
is
would
be
like
for
a
fire
truck
that
they
would
be
able
to
maneuver.
Within
this
parking
lot
area
too.
B
They
provided
radiuses
on
how
those
turning
movements
would
happen
and
then,
for
the
pond,
to
the
engineer,
believes
that
this
is
sufficient
space,
because,
obviously
that's
something
that's
going
to
have
to
be
figured
out
before
plans
are
approved,
because,
if
they're,
if
they
need
more
space,
they
can't
have
buildings
planned
to
be
there
or
pavement.
When.
B
Is
master
planning
to
I
mean
so
there's
the
two
two
options
but
I'd
have
to
look
back
to
to
see
if
there
was
a
collection,
because
it
should
have
been
taken
care
of
upon
annexation
and
then,
if
it
wasn't,
it
should
have
been
at
the
zone
at
the
time
of
the
zone,
but
they
would
have
annexed
and
zoned
at
the
same
time.
So
I'll
look
into
that
and.
B
H
A
C
C
Question:
do
you
guys
look
at
impact
of
traffic
and
stacking
at
19th,
because
we
were
talking
several
hundred
trips
a
day
at
certain
times
of
the
day,
moving
in
and
out
of
there,
what
the
impact
of
the
traffic
would
be.
I
mean
19th
Street
is
a
collector,
but
we
are
relatively
close
to
the
intersection
there
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we
have
to
make
a
lot
of
left-hand
turns
to
get
out
to
that
intersection
to
the
industrial
parks
or
what
have
you
and.
B
C
B
C
Well,
you
approved
in
when
you
were
beauty,
was
exactly
this
and
now
we're
doing
this.
So
that's
not
what
was
approved
on
when
the
original
PUD
was
adopted.
Some
we
don't
we
don't.
We
don't
do
a
lot
of
that
here
in
the
city,
so
it's
not
technically
of
rezoning,
but
it
really
is
when
you're
changing
the
PUD,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
getting
to
the
point
that
if
we
have
to
go
through
the
hoops
to
amend
the
PUD
and
you
have
the
same
publication
guidelines,
maybe
the
simpler
thing
would
be
just
the
rezoning.
C
You
still,
you
still
have
a
20-day
wait
after
the
P
Judy
has
been
changed.
You
know
so.
You're
you're,
like
the
only
thing
that
you'd
be
gaining,
is
the
City
Council
approval
right
right,
yeah,
so
I
mean
I'm
I.
Think
if
you
want
a
dovetail
it
together,
that
would
make
good
sense,
so
they
don't
lose
anything,
but
in
the
end,
before
everything's
all
set
and
done.
They'll
still
be
rezoning,
our
three,
but
we're
still
going
to
have
to
run
through
the
notification
process
on.
B
B
Okay,
so
this
is
a
resolution
amending
commercial
recreational,
adding
commercial
recreational
uses
uses
as
a
conditional
use
in
the
i1
light
industrial
district
and
defining
regular
recreational
use
commercial
and
then
so.
A
few
changes
were
made
to
that
resolution,
which
is
what
I
hand
it
out
and
made
that
amendment
to
the
agenda.
B
The
background
here
is
after
a
meeting
regarding
two
businesses
who
were
informed
by
letter
by
city
staff,
of
a
zoning
violation
for
operating
recreational
use,
facilities
within
the
i1
light
industrial
and
i2
heavy
industrial
districts
alderman
bill
Howard,
Glanville,
Hauer
and
dan
Albertson
took
the
initiative
to
bring
this
proposed
ordinance
amendment
for
amendment
forward.
This
amendment
allows
opportunity
for
infill
business
with
within
previously
constructed
contractor
shops,
storage
buildings
constructed
with
high
steel
sidewalls,
which
seems
appropriate
for
adults
to
utilize
for
recreational
uses
and
for
heavy
equipment
and
loud
noises.
B
I
I
B
I
C
B
As
the
definition
well,
we
did
just
because
we
figured
it
was
like
not
necessary,
and
that
was
the
language.
This
was
a
definition
that
was
brought
forth
in
2014
no
2016
when
they
were
going
to
add
it
to
I,
1
and
I
2,
but
per
that
meeting
we
thought
that
I
too
was
just
inappropriate
for
this
type
of
use,
so
I
mean
we.
We
figured
if
it's
a
commercial
recreational
facility
that
there
would
be
a
fee,
but
we
didn't
think
that
we
need
to
specify
it
in
the
definition.
C
I
K
B
I
Have
more
or
less
stringent
things
with
noise
dust
and
we
want
to
protect
those
business.
So
we
we
just
had
a
permitted
use
of
a
gym
in
these
areas.
Then
they
could
come
every
day
and
complain
that
you
know
there's
a
paint
shop
next
door,
that
which
is
a
permitted
use
in
that
area,
and
we
don't
like
that
paint
fumes
in
our
areas.
So
we're
trying
to
do.
We
do.
A
I'm
kind
of
questioning
the
the
age
aspect
of
it.
So
if
we've
got
a
conditional
use
for
a
daycare
which
is
going
to
have
younger
kids
in
the
eye
of
one
district
and
then
we
have
a
conditional
use
for
a
recreational
facility,
but
we're
saying
they
have
to
be
over
14.
It
seems
just
counterintuitive
to
me.
B
They
have
to
meet
different
code
requirements
and
then
the
reason
why
the
daycare
would
have
to
have
so
many
kids
per
provider
or
adult
where
then,
the
commercial
recreational
facility
that
can
be
open
to
as
many
people
occupied,
see
wise.
However
many
they
can
have
in
there
and
then
they
are
able
to
drive
and.
I
Yes,
14
years
of
age,
we
feel
that
they
can
evacuate
from
the
area
and
it
for
the
conditional
use
of
the
daycare.
It's
it's
more
or
less
usually
used
as
a
business
hook
to
an
industry,
so
people
that
are
in
that
industry
know
what
that
what's
in
that
building.
What's
you
know?
You
know
they
were
surrounding
and
they
know
the
building.
So
that's
you
know,
then
they
feel
more
they're,
more
comfortable.
Well,
I,
don't
want
it.
So
we
don't
want
it
as
they
can
do
a
use
in.
C
C
Okay,
but
then,
let's
just
back
up
for
a
second,
if
I
have
a
non
residential
daycare
facility,
which
is
basically
a
daycare,
that's
operated
in
the
building.
That's
not
a
residence,
that's
basically
what
the
definition
is,
and
so,
if
I
decide,
I
go
out
and
I
go
to
an
Iowan
air
part
of
the
community,
which
has
got
an
overhead.
You
know
overhead
doors
going
into
a
building
and
I'm
gonna
convert
one
of
those
storage
bays
into
a
non-fan
non-residential
daycare
facility.
What
would
be
the
basis
for
denial.
C
G
J
C
B
B
C
Mean
I
admit:
I
know
why
is
back
when
we
had
the
airport
industrial
park
and
we
had
those
the
day
care
facility
out
there
and
and
whether
it's
either
directly
related
to
a
specific
business
in
an
industrial
park,
or
we
needed
a
little
flexibility.
But
I
think
we
just
want
to
preclude
individuals
from
going
out
and
opening
up
daycare
facilities
in.
C
J
Just
I'm,
just
gonna
clean
up
a
little
bit
chips.
Point
is
when
we,
when
we
go
over
this
type
of
things
in
in
conferences
and
things
if,
for
example,
if,
if
you
work
at
an
industrial
plant
and
they
have
an
accessory
use
as
a
daycare,
that's
in
the
building,
the
parents.
If
there
was
an
issue,
if
the
some
kind
of
bell
went
off
are
gonna
run
help
get
their
children,
they
know
the
facility.
J
C
G
C
Use
and
if
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
encouraging
some
aspect
of
daycare
facilities
in
an
industrial
zone,
I
think
I
still
think
that
kids
need
to
be
outside
part
of
those
days.
And
so
how
do
you
take
that
into
the
design
requirements?
And
so
that's
why
I'm
saying
I'm
not
even
sure
we
should
encouraging
them
and
whatsoever
in
the
I
one
district,
but
realistically.
A
B
I
think
that
moving
it
to
conditional
use
it
leaves
that
there
is
a
tool.
So
then
we,
if
somebody
comes
in
I,
mean
I,
think
it's
a
great
benefit
that
a
business
could
offer
and
then
that's
when
we'll
look
at
all
of
the
parameters
and
if
it
meets
code
and
and
if
you're
comfortable
with
it,
as
as
a
conditional
use,
I
mean
because
there's
your
a
through
H
that
you
can
go
through
that
list
to
see
if
it
complies.
C
It
would
be
different
if
we
were
living
in
downtown,
Chicago
or
someplace,
where
you
know
the
you
have
big
offices
in
office
complex
when
kids
are
being
brought
in
there
I
think
we
live
in
a
part
of
the
world
where
we
want
our
children
to
be
outside.
I'm
not
sure
running
around
in
an
a.1
zone
area
is
the
most
beneficial
thing
for
young
children
and
so
I'm.
Okay,
if
there's
nothing
pressing,
no
one's
asking
us
to
do
it
today
that
you
give
us
some
time
to
think
about
it.
C
A
K
I
E
C
D
Only
because
I'm
kind
of
with
brandy
and
leaving
it
there
if
we
were
to
have
a
business
come
in
stating
you
know
we're
looking
for
a
place
to
put
our
business
and
we
fit
into
the
this
zone
and
and
then
they
say,
can
we
do
daycare
and-
and
she
has
to
say
you
know
no
we'd-
have
to
go
before
the
board
to
do
that.
If
this
is
in
and
that
verbage
can
be
very
tight,
saying
that
it
has
to
be.
D
You
know
the
the
that
businesses,
employees,
children
and
it
has
to
be-
you
know,
attached
I
has
to
be
licensed
out
there.
If
we
throw
a
thousand
things
at
it,
at
least
like
Brandi
said
it
is
still
there.
It's
still
on
the
book.
She
still
has
them
can
give
them
an
answer
instead
of
saying.
Well,
we
got
to
reinvent
the
wheel
now
we're
here
discussing
it
now.
I,
don't
know
that
we
should
completely
throw
it
out.
That's,
but.
D
D
I,
don't
care
she
comes
back
in
six
months
with
it.
I
just
don't
think
that
we
should,
you
know,
totally
scrap
it.
I'm
just
saying
you
know
kind
of
like
the
first
premier
building
out
there
if
they
would
have
put
a
daycare
in
that.
Looking
for
that-
and
you
know
coming
to
a
realtor
saying
you
know,
I
need
this-
can
I
put
it
in
that
zone.
We
can
call
Brandi
and
say
yeah.
They
can
if
they
meet.
B
An
arrangement
has
been
made
concerning
the
following:
more
applicable,
so
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
anger
and
egress
to
property
and
proposed
structure
off
street
parking
and
loading
areas
refuse
and
service
areas,
utilities
with
reference
to
locations,
availability
and
compatibility,
screening
and
buffering
with
reference
to
type,
just
dimensions
and
character,
signs
required
yards
and
other
open
space
and
general
compatibility
with
adjacent
properties
and
other
properties
in
the
district.
So
that
that's
you
have
to
look
at
all
that
and
has
to
meet
all
of
that
if
it
doesn't
I'm.
C
Fine
I'm
fine
with
those
requirements.
However,
none
of
those
requirements
have
anything
to
do
with
why
that
children
should
be
allowed
to
be
in
a
daycare
area
in
an
industrial
zone.
So
what
we're
doing
that
is
we're
making
it
up
as
we
go
and
I
would
rather
have
some
basis
for
that
decision.
So
when
we
get
sued
for
denying
or
approving
a
permit-
and
we
have
to
go
before
an
esteemed
judge
who
all
tell
us,
what
are
you
basing
your
decision
on?
It's
not
L,
because
we
felt
it
was
fine
in
this
situation.
C
I
think
what
we're
seeing
across
the
area
is
that,
if
we're
going
to
be
making
and
adding
conditions
and
adding
findings,
we
should
have
some
basis
for
that
and
I'm
where
I'm
at
with
it
is,
if,
if
nothing
is
pressing
on
a
daycare
facility
today,
let's
take
it
out
for
now.
Let's
come
up
with
what
those
standards
are
and
then
we
can
bring
it
back
in
and.
B
B
B
So
if
there
was
something
that
wasn't
compliant
with
those,
then
that
would
be
brought
up
to
you,
guys
that's
Board
of
Adjustment
and
then,
but
we
just
I
mean
as
far
that's
why
we
just
added
it
to
the
definition,
because
the
only
thing
that
we
can
think
of
what,
because
we
have
off
street
parking
ordinance
parking,
is
an
issue
we
thought
about
that,
but
that'll
be
taken
care
of
with,
what's
already
in
ordinance
and
then
so
yeah.
That's
why
we
just
added
it
to
the
definition
I'm.
C
B
Even
daycares
I
mean
we
have
to
go
back
to
that
discussion
soon,
because
we
we've
talked
about
it
and
what
how
we're
gonna
regulate
that,
and
so
then
we
could
have
the
administrative
approval
because
we'll
have
our
design
standards,
but
that
also
is
covered
under
the
International
Building
Code.
So
are
we
like?
Do
we
just
reference
that
and
say
within
compliance
I
mean,
but
we
already
review
that
so
then
that's
when
it
gets
brought
to
the
board
and
we
save
those
findings
of
fact
and
then
that's
how
then
you'd
make
your
decision
I'll.
C
Tell
you
where
I'd
like
to
go
with
this
brandied,
it's
not
just
daycare
facilities.
It's
a
lot
of
different
conditional
uses
across
the
board
within
the
community.
I
think
it
would
be
in
best
interest
if
we
could
start
working
out
of
the
piecemeal
basis
identifying.
What
we're
okay
with
what
minimum
standards
are,
should
be
regarding
specific
conditional
uses,
regardless
of
his
owning
district,
and
once
we
come
up
with
that,
eventually
do
what
happens?
We
aren't
handling
them
as
a
board
of
adjustment
going
forward
anymore.
They
can
be
done.
C
A
You
know
if
we
can
write
that
into
the
code.
It
gives
both
the
city
staff
and
the
business
as
a
playbook
to
go
by.
So
they
know
the
you
know,
kind
of
the
design
standards
that
that
we
want
it
drafted
and
they're,
not
taking
a
guess.
You
know
at
what
we're
gonna
approve
or
not
approve
right,
because.
C
Once
we
start
applying
discretion,
we
become
defendants
and
I
would
just
as
soon
not
go
down
that
road,
but
if
staff
thinks
we
should
need
to
keep
this
in
here.
I'm.
Okay,
with
amending
my
motion
to
say,
keep
it
in
here,
but
I
want
to
have
us
coming
back
within
several
months
to
talk
about
what
our
standards
are
for.
Daycares.
B
C
D
Fine
with
the
taking
it
out
it
I
again,
I'm
with
you,
I
want
city
staff
to
say
you
know
it's
helpful
to
us
or
if
she's,
more
comfortable
taking
it
out
and
I
know,
we
need
to
go
back
to
that
daycare.
Cuz
I
said
we
need
to
do
that
anyway,
so
maybe
we
can
address
it.
There
I
want
to
make
her
position
easier
when
she's
the
one
that's
gonna,
have
the
first
contact.
D
I
I
Your
box
is
pretty
heavy
after
a
while
and
create
a
lot
of
work
for
ourselves
and
really
do
too
many
things
and
having
to
review
sites,
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
things
and
if
we
can't
defend
it
right
away,
if
they
just
could
sneak
in
there,
because
something
we
didn't
think
of
them.
You
know,
though
we
can
go
to
court.
So.
B
D
C
A
D
A
C
B
K
B
C
C
Only
question
here,
I
think
you
did
a
really
good
job.
This
has
been
really
good
and
I.
Think
that
the
mayor
and
her
Housing
Committee
work.
People
have
been
pushing
this.
My
only
question
is
this:
we're
really
thinking
that
for
all
practical
purposes,
a
lot
of
this
r1a
is
going
to
be
maybe
rezoning
existing
property
for
for
part
of
it
it's
going
to
be
rezoning
existing
blocks.
C
C
If
we're
talking
about
specific
use
office
buildings
in
the
r1,
a
which
is
right
now,
basically
only
allowed
against
highway
81
to
12
in
South
Dakota,
South,
Dakota,
Highway,
20,
there's
a
whole
litany
of
conditional
uses
that
I'm
not
sure
are
they
really
appropriate
to
be
added
to
the
r1a
zone?
Just
it's
more
for
a
discussion.
B
C
K
C
Been
selling
that
we've
been
selling
this
as
a
zone
for
housing,
specific
housing
and
more
likely,
it's
probably
a
zone
where
you're
not
going
to
see
five
acres
rezone
solely
for
r1a
purposes,
it's
more
gonna
be
a
transition
zone
between
other,
more
restrictive
uses.
In
my
mind,
maybe
I'm
missing
something.
But
if
that's
the
case
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
you
know.
Are
we
gonna
zone
a
half
a
block
or
a
block
or
one
a
so
we
can
build
a
church
on
it.
I
thought
the
intent
was
to
have
these
smaller
Lots
for
houses.
L
Sara
Karen
mayor
I,
you
bring
up
a
great
point
and
we
didn't
look
at
that
carefully
because
we
just
said
we
want
this
to
be
just
like
our
one
except
smaller
and
I.
Don't
disagree
with
you.
I
think
the
church
I
would
leave
in
there,
I
mean
if
you
make
a
whole
neighborhood,
that's
r1a
and
you
want
to
have
a
church
there.
You.
L
L
You
had
enough
space
to
do
that,
so
you
don't
have
to
rezone
or
have
a
pocket
zone
for
just
that
building.
If
it's
a
whole
neighborhood
of
numerous
blocks,
you
want
to
be
able
to
be
flexible
and
and
do
as
much
as
possible
that
how
often
do
we
have
public
libraries
or
music
I
mean
we
don't
build
new
of
those.
So
I
mean
it
is
it's
kind
of
silly
I
see
your
point?
L
H
L
Not,
but
just
because
the
minimum
is
very
small
doesn't
mean
that
they
can't
put
in
a
larger
size
lot
and
then
put
one
of
these
items
on
there.
You
know
that
would
require
parking
areas
and
the
lot
sizes
are
minimums
in
the
frontage
and
all
that
stuff.
That's
all
minimal,
you
can
go
bigger,
I
think
you
know
some
of
these.
We
got
to
keep
in
there
and
the
specific
use
office
building.
L
C
C
K
L
L
K
L
Just
didn't
want
to
be
short,
citing
and
making
it
so
restrictive
that
it's
unusable.
Anything
that
would
be
allowed
in
an
r1
should
be
allowed
in
the
r1,
a
that
was
our
thinking,
and
so
we
didn't
even
really
look
at
it
that
closely.
Our
intent
wasn't
to
change
the
uses
as
much
as
create
a
zone
where
you
could
have
smaller,
Lots
and
therefore
less
expensive
Lots.
So
everything
that
you
can
do
in
r1,
you
can
do
in
r1
a
that's.
D
D
C
L
We're
getting
back
a
lot,
it's
like
if
you're
rezoning,
a
whole
neighborhood
to
this
and
you're,
leaving
some
of
them
smaller
that
you
won't
be
able
to
do
this
on
it
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
requirements.
We
get
some
benefits
out
of
having
the
r1
with
the
restriction
on
the
amount
of
coverage
on
the
lot,
which
is
I,
think
a
benefit
to
the
community
and
works
to
keep
it
affordable.
So
you
don't
get
a
mansion.
L
A
L
Of
a
stretch
right
and
affordable
housing
is
for
people
who
are
trying
to
make
ends
meet
and
a
lot
of
times,
they're
doing
daycare
out
of
their
house
to
make
ends
meet
and
I
don't
want
to
say
you
can't
do
that
in
this
zone.
As
long
as
it's
meeting
all
of
the
requirements,
that's
a
pretty
common
thing
to
do
in
a
residential
zone.
I,
don't
think
I
want
to
take
that
out.
I
just.
A
L
A
C
K
A
B
L
C
A
A
B
A
A
A
K
B
So
this
is
a
resolution.
This
is
our
sign
code.
We're
amending
chapter
21,
point:
eight
zero,
zero,
seven
to
allow
the
permitting
of
temporary
and
exempt
signage.
This
has
been
postponed
from
the
May
24th
2018
meeting
and
if
you
look
timeline,
we
have
been
postponing
it
ever
since
April
19th,
and
so
we've
been
meeting
as
a
small
subgroup
and
working
with
different
people
who
have
been
involved
with
this
and
trying
to
come
up
with
something
that
fits
every
what
everybody
something
that
works
for
everybody.
B
B
Conditions,
so
the
temporary
signs
shall
be
readily
I'll,
just
elevate
it
from
the
beginning,
temporary
signs
excluding
portable
signs,
which
are
regulated
in
accordance
with
section
21
8023
made.
It
may
be
displayed
on
any
lot
under
the
following
conditions.
Temporary
signs
should
be
readily
moveable
and
attached
to
the
ground
or
another
permanent
structure.
Temporary
signs
shall
be
constructed
with
the
material
capable
of
withstanding
impacts,
winds
or
blown
snow.
Temporary
signs
shall
include
print
in
which
the
print
or
font
is
clearly
outlined.
B
B
B
B
B
B
C
C
B
Yeah
thanks
for
that
clarification,
so
I
included
what
was
originally
proposed
because
kind
of
always
see
this
happening
is.
We
will
amend
the
resolution
that
was
proposed
back
in
April
from
councilman
l'olam,
and
then
we
will.
We
will
amend
it
to
include
this
language.
The
new
proposed
language,
so
we
won't
be
rejecting
or
denying
the
most
the
resolution,
because
then
it
has
to
go
to
council.
C
A
D
A
So
there
may
be
more
than
one
but
I
see
the
discrepancy
between
801
9,
section,
1
and
section
2
between
the
material.
So
in
section
1
it
says
constructed
with
the
material
capable
of
withstanding
impacts,
winds
or
blowing
snow,
and
in
section
2
it
says
constructed
with
a
metal
or
poly
metal
material
to
be
capable
of
withstanding
impacts,
winds
and
blowing
snow.
Yes,.
A
C
C
B
But
then
I'm
wondering
if
that
was,
if
that
we
want
it
to
be
left
that
way,
that's
just
something
we'll
have
to
look
into
just
because
it's
not
consistent,
so
yeah,
that's
where
temporary
signs
may
be
placed
in
the
boulevard
in
the
c1.
Temporary
signs
may
only
be
placed
in
the
blog
art
and
any
other
district
provided.
So.
C
B
A
A
C
J
B
B
So
and
then
also
we
by
July
19th,
hopefully
we
can
I
know
ken
has
some
changes
to
they're
just
minor,
and
we
want
to
get
everything
changed
and
brought
to
you
guys.
Just
so
then
sign
code
can
be
in
place
and
we
can
start
regulating
by
it.
And
people
can
know
where
we're
at
that.
We
don't
have
to
keep
changing
it
and
then
hopefully
it
can
stay
in
the
books
for
at
least
a
couple
years.
Yeah.
A
A
C
C
C
B
K
B
B
B
Yeah
and
then
Vince
Foley
is
their
acting
agent,
so
he's
here
with
us
tonight,
and
so
the
petitioners
submitted
a
plat
of
all
the
fleece
addition
to
combine
two
lots
into
one
through
recent
annexation.
Zoning.
The
petitioners
brought
seven
point:
six:
six
acres
in
the
city
limits
to
combine
with
the
existing
point,
four:
three
acres
on
the
northwest
corner
of
14th
Avenue
and
second
Street,
some
facts
about
the
property.
B
It
is
zoned,
r1,
single-family,
residential,
the
park,
dedication
for
olive
place,
Edition
was
approved
on
May
29th
as
and
is
a
condition
of
the
approved
annexation
resolution.
This
includes
five
thousand
nine
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
and
26
cents
cash
in
lieu
of
park
development,
as
well
as
a
five
foot
easement
request
along
the
west
property
boundary
to
be
collected
prior
to
the
recording
of
this
plat.
B
The
cost
recovery
pro
rata
share
is
required
for
the
portion
of
2nd
Street
Northwest,
that
abouts
the
property
east
boundary
and
then
a
development
agreements
where
the
plat
of
olive
place
Edition
provides
improvement.
Assurances
that
are
included
for
this
plat
to
be
approved
by
City
Council
and
then
Watertown
municipal
utilities
confirms
the
easements
are
sufficient
and
city
staff
supports
playing
Commission,
recommending
the
plat
of
all
of
a
place
addition
to
City
Council,
and
so
some
things
about
the
plat
and
so
I
I
handed
out
the
amended
plat
and
development
agreement.
B
We've
been
working
through
language
with
the
development
agreement
and
that
does
not
need
Planning
Commission
approval,
but
it's
more
so
you
guys
to
look
through
it
and
make
sure
that
orderly
development
is
taking
place
and
if
there's
any
issues
that
you
see
and
then
also
with
the
plat
what's
different-
and
this
was
actually
per
Municipal.
Utility
request
was
that
there's
not
a
ten-foot
easement
like
we
usually
require
along
the
South
property
line
and
then
also
the
on
the
west
side.
B
There
they're
showing
their
ten-foot
utility
easement,
which
conforms
to
our
ordinance
requirement
and
then,
if
City
Council
approves
the
development
agreement,
that's
when
a
subsequent
deed
would
be
submitted
for
the
5-foot
recreational
use
easement.
If
the
bike
path,
that's
kind
of
what
the
park
board
was
intending
that
a
bike
and
what
I
think
you
guys
were
on
the
same
page
there
too,
that
there
would
be
a
bike
path
on
the
west
end
of
the
property
instead
of
second
and.
E
E
E
They're
going
back
to
making
the
olive
house
they're
not
just
moving
it
in
like
it
currently
sits,
but
they're
going
to
go
back
to
the
scrollwork,
the
cast
iron,
that
is,
the
carriage
house
back
there
and
create
that
olive
place,
type
setting
and-
and
frankly,
at
this
point
without
further
discussion.
They
are
not
agreeable
to
a
bike
path
with
asphalt,
with
grass
poking
up
through
cracks
on
their
westerly,
unless
there's
some
sort
of
assurances
and
how
it's
going
to
be
maintained,
and
so
they
would
go
with
the
the
straight
fee
park.
E
Dedication
amount,
leaving
the
discussion
for
bike
path
for
another
day,
just
to
meet
some
standards,
and
so
the
the
plat
that
we
submitted
has
the
bike
path.
Easement
taken
off
easement,
of
course,
connotes
another
issue
they're
allowing
for
an
easement
except
then
they
get
to
continue
to
pay
taxes
on
the
bike
path,
because
it's
an
easement
as
a
as
opposed
to
an
outright
dedication
of
public
land.
E
E
Pointed
out
the
no
thank
you,
those
are
not
my
nails,
the
the
carriage
house
this
for
those
of
you
are
familiar.
Dave
and
Lou
hegh
lived
in
this
house
for
many
years.
It's
two
houses
north
of
grant.
That
is
the
house,
that's
being
moved
in
and
then,
of
course,
if
you
don't
know,
that's
the
olive
place,
the
the
neighborhood
to
those
that
we
were
able
to
reach
was
a
hundred
percent
behind
the
concept
they
signed.
E
Okay,
the
development
agreement-
pretty
straightforward
it
is
it
is,
it
is
cut
down
from
most
development
agreements,
because
this
is
just
a
single
family.
Housing
lot
that
is
being
created
and
brandy
said
to
lots
into
one
actually
know
it.
It
is
one
lot
and
there
is
an
annexation
being
added
to
it
to
make
one
bigger
lot
and
so
technically
the
subdivision
requirements
might
not
apply,
but
we're
going
along
as
if
they
do
so
we're
having
the
development
agreement
as
the
letter
of
assurance.
E
E
B
E
E
But
that
that
valve
is,
is
there
and
then
there's
all
those
mature
trees
in
there
as
well,
and
so
it
poses
a
problem
for
just
simply
saying:
well
we're
just
going
to
run
a
sidewalk,
and
so
what
they've
asked
for
is
that
the
this
their
requirement
come
in
place
upon
everything
else
getting
put
together,
so
that
they're
able
to
be
able
to
make
the
run
in
a
somewhat
you
know
straight
line
and
with
the
pole
line.
If
that
should
ever
come
down
now,
that's
that's.
A
C
A
E
The
first
paragraph
we
want
to
leave
in
okay.
We
acknowledge
that
that's
the
requirement
but
2
&
3
are
that
requirement,
where
there's
a
required
dedication
of
an
additional
five
feet
of
recreational
use,
easement
for
a
total
of
15
feet,
easement
dedication
along
the
west,
proper
property
boundary.
Well,
that's
that's!
Attaching
a
bike
easement
on
to
utility,
easement
and
then
putting
the
bike
path
on
top
of
the
utility
easement.
And
so
then
the
question
is
whose
responsibility
is
repair
we?
E
E
E
C
D
B
No
so
Valley
View
first
edition
that
has
so
that
developer
is
putting
in
the
whole
street
of
fourth
Street
and
then
there's
a
sidewalk
of
apartment
on
both
sides.
That
they'll
have
to
improve
that
within
two
years,
and
then
this,
though,
with
the
sidewalk
requirement
it's
in
the
development
agreements
that
they
can
put
the
obligation
on
to
the
adjacent
landowner.
So
then
that
would
be
the
year
deacons
and
but
they
would
be
on
a
different
timeline.
Now
I
mean
their
requirement
here
for
sidewalk.
C
When
we
approve
I'm,
sorry
I
don't
mean
to
be
confusing
mr.
Foley
here,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
square
Valley
View
first
dish
they
came.
We
approve
the
plat
they're
building
the
whole
street.
Your
client,
mr.
Foley's
client,
is
not
responsible
for
any
of
the
construction
costs
of
that
fourth
street
correct,
correct
and
value
view.
First
edition
is
going
to
be
putting
in
sidewalks
on
their
side
of
4th
Street,
whether
they
do
it
themselves
or
they
pass
that
cost
on
to
a
subsequent
landowner.
That
all
has
to
be
done
within
two
years.
C
F
B
M
M
C
E
B
E
C
E
M
We
did
look
at
the
cost
difference
between
concrete
and
asphalt
and
is
significant
for
that
area,
and
that's
I,
don't
know
if
it's
been
ran
by
them
yet
or
not,
but
we
would
have
to
figure
out
how
pavement
would
work
on
that?
If
it
would
be,
you
know
City
or
if
it
would
be
there
requirement,
and
we
don't
know
at
this
time-
I
guess
we
we
talked
about
it
briefly,
but
if
it
was
to
go
to
concrete
instead
of
asphalt,
which
is
our
standard,
we
would
have
to
have
that
discussion.
E
Amelioration
that
we
would
like
to
see
that
being
three
total
I'd
also
point
you
to
the
general
provisions:
D
I'm,
sorry
D
down
at
the
bottom,
that
language
was
approved
by
mr.
Robie
today.
This
is
a
bit
different,
I
mean
well,
you
know
it's
a
development
agreement
that
we're
talking
about
nothing,
that's
going
to
become
a
a
city
property.
You
know.
E
Usually,
this
is
where
we
have
all
of
those
warranties
for
the
storm
sewers
in
the
streets
and
that
type
of
thing,
but
none
of
that
is
being
constructed
as
part
of
this
plat,
and
so
what
we
put
in
there
was
we.
We
recognize
that
sidewalk
ordinance
needs
to
be
complied
with
and
those
standards
need
to
be
met.
Basically,.
C
C
F
If
you
convince
your
client
that
a
bike
trail
is
a
good
idea,
that
would
be
really
amenable
to
me
at
least
the
person
from
personal
level
and
there's
a
lot
of
young
families
in
that
particular
neighborhood
and
I
think
that
that
particular
area
is
probably
a
little
bit
more
better
situated
forward
bike
trail
as
opposed
to
a
concrete,
or
if
you
want
to
do
concrete,
we
figure
out
some
way
to
make
it
work.
They're.
F
All
over
the
city
and
but
and
I'm
right
there
with
you
Vince
having
being
someone
that
frequents
them.
The
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
is
that
this
is
a
real
good
example
of
that
in
lieu
of
ordinance
and
I.
Think
we
really
should
work
on
that
I'm
not
saying
in
this
particular
instance.
It's
creates
a
lot
of
issue,
but
I
can
see
where
there's
a
lot
of
heartache,
for
instance,
the
assessed
value
of
one
hundred
and
forty-one
thousand
dollars
as
the
as
the
using
that,
as
the
marker
I
mean.
F
That's
almost
an
arbitrary
number
at
this
point,
because
the
actual
value
of
the
appraised
value
and
the
market
value
is
so
much
higher
that
we
might
as
well
be
just
be
spinning
a
wheel
and
picking
a
number
at
that
point,
when
we
determined
what
the
cash
in
lieu
of
a
number
is,
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
more
sensible
I'm,
not
again,
for
this
particular
instance,
I.
Think
it's
fine
but
I'm,
guessing
that
the
actual
value
was
much
closer
to
half
a
million
dollars.
F
C
I
guess
my
other
question
was
going
to
be
as
far
as
the
timing
and
the
the
payment
over
five
years
is
that
something
we've
done
before
in
the
past
allowed
for
that
I'm
thinking,
that's
fine
as
long
as
we're
getting
our
compensation
if
it's
spread
out
and
to
make
the
development
work
I'm.
Alright,
with
that.
B
F
Situation
is
already
worth
more.
The
market
value
in
the
appraised
value
I'm
guessing
far
exceed
one
hundred
and
forty
one
thousand
dollars.
I
didn't
look
at
the
real
estate
transaction,
but
I
would
venture
to
bet
it
was
a
lot
more
than
that,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
using
that
number
some
of
these
instances,
it
just
doesn't
work,
and
you
know-
and
we
don't
know
how
to
solve
that
problem
with
especially
like
to
the
north.
You
know
when
it
was
annexed
in
73
or
for
something
like
that.
I
don't
know
how
to
handle
it.
I.
E
E
You
have
to
have
a
definition
so
that
you
can
give
people
notice,
but
the
problem
that
you
have
with
fair
market
value
is
it
isn't
recognized
until
two
years
later
in
taxes
as
we
work
through
our
real
estate,
taxing
cycle,
and
so
we
had
this
discussion
about
18
19
years
ago,
when
I
had
black
hair
and
more
of
it.
But
it
was
it's
trying
to
come
up
with
something
is,
is
difficult
and
and
you're
absolutely
right.
They
paid
more
than
that
for
this
land
and.
F
I
want
to
be
super
clear
for
this
particular
instance.
I.
Don't
think
it
makes
any
sense
to
hold
it
up
based
on
that,
but
this
was
the
same
sort
of
rub
that
we
had
with
all
the
Hoffa
teaser
deal
to
is
because
we're
looking
at
it
and
it
it.
You
just
feel
like
you're,
getting
the
short
end
of
the
stick
from
the
city
perspective
and
if
we're,
if
we
have
constituents
as
this
board,
I,
don't
know
if
we're
just
cities
considered
or
constituency
or
not,
we.
F
F
F
C
That
in
program
getting
to
an
act
getting
to
an
action
statement,
even
though
we
don't
have
a
current
city
attorney
here,
we
have
a
reformer
who's.
Also
representing
the
others,
is
the
appropriate
motion
would
be
to
accept
the
plat
and
the
development
agreement
per.
We
don't
have
to
make
a
motion
on
the
development
agreement.
D
I
understand
what
they
are
trying
to
do
here
and
Alfred
disclose
your
sake.
I'll
say
that
that
land
was
sold
through
Remax
partners,
so
I'm
well
aware
of
what
they
what
they
envisioned
here
was.
You
know,
like
said,
setting
that
whole
home
back
in
the
way
it
was,
and
they
have
some
magnificent
dreams
of
that
whole
corner.
D
So
I
don't
want
to
hold
their
hands
tight
any
more
than
what
they
have
already
done.
I
think
the
city
are,
we
gonna
get
tax
dollars
out
of
it
or
you
know
what
if
it
would
have
been
developed,
it
went
to
went
commercial
Liam.
We
talked
about
that.
That
was
where
the
500,000
came
from.
That
would
have
never
went
commercial
if
their
people
would
have
shut
it
down
so
that
whole
number
needs
to
get
through
on
the
side
as
to
what
they're
getting
charged
for
Park.
D
You
know
in
lieu
of
park,
but
getting
back
to
what
they
have
envisioned
for
Watertown
is
it's
a
really
amazing
feature,
I
think
it's
just
going
to
be
extremely
cool,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
could
find
you
know
if
they
I
don't
know.
If
we
have
to
find
a
volunteer
board
that
will
help
them
maintain
that
strip.
D
You
know
of
you,
know:
they're
they're
good,
with
putting
a
whole
trail
of
on
their
property
I'm,
not
so
sure
I'd
be
so
generous
if
I
were
in
their
shoes,
so
for
them
to
be
concerned
about
what
its
gonna
look
like
without
them
having
to
maintain
it.
Like
I
said,
if
we
could
I
don't
know,
but
I
know,
that's
not
what
we're
here
to
decide
on.
But
if
anybody
is
listening
to
this
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
great
volunteer
project
to
ensure
that
that
can
somehow
be
a
little
bit
upgraded
along
that
section.
A
C
C
D
C
C
A
B
E
F
Just
want
to
be
real,
clear
that
I'm,
a
proponent
of
bike
trails
wholly
or
not,
and
I
do
and
I'm
a
proponent
of
clean
bike
trails
all
over
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
the
plat
contained
contain
that
easement
cuz.
It
looks
to
me
like
the
plate
flat
currently
is
only
got
the
template.
Easement
correct
I
like
I
like
it
as
it
was
originally
drafted
with
the
15
feet
for
inclusion.
C
Would
like
to
make
another
motion
mr.
chair,
stating
that
the
Planning
Commission
generally
supports
the
development
agreement
has
proposed
tonight,
including
language
by
the
applicant
in
letters
to
a8,
the
fourth
paragraph
of
Park
dedication,
number
8
and
the
7
E
with
language
to
be
worked
out
between
the
city
attorney
and
as
approved
by
the
city.
Attorney.
Yes,
has
approved
by
the
city
attorney.
C
C
D
K
E
F
F
The
city
has
we've
written
it
in
an
ordinance
to
give
us
this
right
for
specific
instance,
so
that
we
as
adults
and
our
children
can
have
parks
and
trails
and
everything
else
to
use,
and
so
it's
our
right
to
give
up
and
we
give
that
up
in
exchange
for
money
and
that
money
eventually
is
gone.
Whereas
if
we
have
the
actual
land,
we
could
keep
the
land
and
use
it
for
our
benefit.
So
that's
and.
H
M
M
D
C
C
K
C
B
K
F
A
C
Let
me
go
back
and
I
will
make
I'll
make
a
new
motion.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
support
the
development
agreement,
as
provided
tonight
that
considers
to
a
eight
paragraph,
four
lot,
II
to
be
approved
by
the
city
in
city
attorney,
and
also
to
support
the
general
construction
of
a
bike
trail
along
the
west
side
of
prop
the
property
in
question
to
be
determined
at
a
later
date.
F
C
E
I
will
talk
with
Jay
tomorrow
and
we'll
start
working
just
we
just
conceptually.
This
is
this
is
a
horse
of
a
different
color.
We
have,
we
rarely
put
bike
paths
into
nice,
residential
areas
at
the
get-go,
and
so
it's
just
one
of
those
things
we
need
to
work
out
and
the
the
issue,
and
we
just
that
were
perfectly
clear.
The
issue
drit
driving
the
parks
is
the
safety
of
second
street
14
that
that's
a
bad
bad
spot
for
bikes
right
now,
yeah.