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From YouTube: BOA & Plan Commission Meeting 11 08 2018
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Board of Adjustment and Plan Commission agenda for November 8, 2018
A
C
A
F
D
The
property
we
are
looking
at
today
is
316
13th
Street
northeast
the
owner
applicant
is
Robert
priest
doing
business
as
priests.
Laser
works,
1776
LLC
the
applicant
seeks
approval
to
operate
a
home-based
business
here,
laser
engraving
from
his
primary
residence
located
in
the
r1
single-family
residential
district
421
1403,
five
contingent
upon
compliance
with
chapter
20,
170,
home
occupations
and
standards
and
section
21,
o
o
b7
A
through
H.
Specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses
staff
finds
that
all
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met.
D
Home
occupations
is
a
listed
conditional
use
for
the
r1
single-family
residential
district
421
1403
5.
The
definition
of
home
occupation
is
any
occupation
which
is
clearly
secondary
to
the
main
use
of
the
premises
premises
as
a
dwelling
and
does
not
change
the
character
thereof
or
have
any
exterior
evidence
of
such
secondary
use
other
than
a
non
illuminated
sign,
not
exceeding
400
square
inches
in
area.
This
occupation
shall
be
carried
on
or
conducted
only
by
members
of
a
family
residing
in
the
dwelling.
D
The
applicants
submitted
a
floor
plan
and
the
attached
site
plan
and
a
written
request
which
reflect
or
do
not
reflect
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
This
board
must
consider
section
21,
o
202,
to
be
7a
through
8,
which
is
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses.
This
includes
ingress
and
egress
off
street
parking
and
loading
screening,
buffering
signage,
exterior
lighting
required
yards
and
open
space
and
general
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood
chapter,
20,
170,
home
occupations
and
standards,
priests
proposes
to
utilize
approximately
482
square
feet,
which
is
18%
of
the
single-family
dwelling
for
his
laser
engraving
business.
D
You
will
find
a
floor
plan
in
your
package
in
your
packet.
He
has
signed
his
assurance
to
comply
with
chapter
20
170
and
a
small
ordinance
compliance
sign
is
proposed
to
be
attached
to
the
exterior
of
the
garage
chapter,
21
63
off-street
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
engineering
design
standards.
There
is
sufficient
area
for
three
off
street
legal
off
street
parking
spaces
and
to
be
counted
as
legal.
The
off
street
parking
space
must
meet
minimum
size
and
location
standards
and
allow
the
exit
of
a
vehicle
without
moving
another
vehicle.
D
A
minimum
of
two
off
street
parking
spaces
are
required
just
for
the
single
family
that
dwells
there.
This
board
may
require
more
as
a
condition
of
secondary
use
uses
such
as
home
occupations,
chapter
21,
sixty-five
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
specific
specific
uses,
the
home
occupations,
section,
21,
7
double
to
supersedes
2165
for
this
secondary
use,
no
outdoor,
storage
of
equipment
or
materials
used
in
the
home
occupation
shall
be
permitted
and
no
public
display
of
goods
shall
be
allowed
on
the
premises
except
inside
the
principal
building,
chapter
21,
73,
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
D
The
minimum
tree
requirement
is
that
are
to
be
located
on
the
development
site,
shall
be
one
tree
per
50
feet
of
frontage,
and
this
is
compliant.
This
board
must
determine
if
satisfactory
provision
and
arrangement
has
been
made.
Concerning
the
chapters
and
sections
we
described.
If
generally
endorsed,
the
Board
may
consider
any
conditions
of
approval
deemed
necessary.
A
A
G
A
workshop
where
you're
doing
try
to
be
more
like
a
drop-off
pickup
type
deal,
you
know,
customizing
plaques,
trophies
medical
equipment,
I
mean
a
lot
of
it
will
be
not
even
having
customer
traffic.
Some
of
it
will
be.
You
know
people
dropping
stuff
off,
but
not
necessarily
more
than
one
vehicle
at
a
time,
but
it
could
be
just
about
anything.
You
can
imagine
that
you
could
fit
under
something
the
size
of
this
desk
to
be
in
grade.
Okay,.
G
D
G
G
Yes,
your
along
my
inside
of
all
my
garage
I,
basically
have
a
bench
top
along
the
length
of
one
side
of
the
garage
and
everything
will
be
on
about
half
of
that
space
and
it's
also
a
portable
system.
So
a
lot
of
my
stuff,
maybe
like
arts
and
crafts,
shows
and
things
of
that
nature
are
off-site,
but
that
will
kind
of
be
my
home
area
of
operation
for
for
local
stuff.
Like
you
know,
gifts
and
I
said
plaques
trophies.
G
C
G
G
E
I
G
G
A
A
H
I
E
D
This
application
is
for
25
North
Broadway,
the
applicant,
which
is
Joe
Ellison
for
grace
bible
church
seeks
to
approval
to
operate
a
church
in
the
ce-1
community,
commercial
district
for
twenty
one,
twenty
four,
oh
three.
Sixteen
religious
institutions
contingent
upon
compliance
with
the
purpose
of
the
ce-1
zone
and
2100
202
to
b7
A
through
H
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses
staff
finds
that
all
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met.
D
Religious
institutions
is
a
listed
conditional
use
for
the
c1
community
commercial
district.
The
definition
of
realist,
religious
institution
is
any
building
used
for
nonprofit
purposes
by
an
established
religious
organization
holding
either
tax
exempt
status
under
Section
501
C
3
of
the
Internal
Revenue
Code
or
under
the
state
property
tax
law.
We're
such
building
is
primarily
intended
to
be
used
as
a
place
of
worship.
The
term
includes,
but
is
not
necessarily
limited
to
church
temple,
synagogue
or
mosque.
D
The
applicant
submitted
a
floor
plan
showing
the
interior
layout
of
stage
seating
classrooms,
kitchen
and
restrooms
in
the
main
and
loft
levels
in
a
site
plan
which
reflects
or
does
not
reflect
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
This
board
must
consider
section
21:02
to
be
7a
through
H
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
use,
conditional
uses,
which
includes
ingress
and
egress
of
the
property
off
street
parking
and
loading
screening,
buffering
signage,
refuse,
exterior
lighting
required
yards
and
open
space
and
general
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood.
D
The
purpose
of
the
c1
zone
should
be
considered.
Chapter
2165,
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
specific
uses
outside
display
was
not
indicated
in
the
application
chapter
21
eighty
signs
and
outdoor
advertising
per
the
letter.
A
simple
modification
of
the
current
signage
is
all
that
will
be
needed,
and
chapters
21,
63
and
73
off
street
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
The
cc-1
district
is
exempt
from
these
things,
so
that
does
not
need
to
be
considered.
D
A
Thank
you,
Joe
open
the
public
hearing
here
in
just
a
second,
but
before
I
do
I
just
had
one
point
of
clarification,
I
guess
and
we
do
have
some
language
in
our
ordinance
regarding
alcoholic
beverage,
sales
within
proximity
of
a
church
or
school,
but
I
believe
because
this
is
located
in
the
c1
district.
It's
exempt
from
that
provision,
and
so
it's
not
going
to
impose
a
burden
on
the
the
sale
of
alcohol
at
current
or
or
future
businesses
in
the
area.
That's.
A
F
Those
are
closed
by
the
time.
We'd
have
our
Wednesday
things,
so
there's
parking
available
there
so
in
our
are
looking
at
it
didn't
look
like
parking
was
going
to
be
much
of
a
problem
and
it
seemed
that
it
would
actually
have
opposite
schedules
as
a
lot
of
the
other
businesses
in
that
neighborhood.
So
sure.
F
Yeah
at
some
point,
there's
possibility
for
for
weddings,
we're
hoping
no
funerals,
but
that
it
probably
likely
happened
at
some
point
and
the
the
reality
is
that
the
space
isn't
will
be
able
to
sit.
A
hundred
and
thirty-eight
people
is
what
we
estimated
in
the
building,
so
large
weddings
would
not
be
able
to
be
held
there,
and
so
that
would
be,
and
there
wouldn't
be
much
room
for
a
reception,
as
is
right.
Now
we
only
have
plans
for
the
the
ground
level.
F
F
Plan
to
leave
those
those
open
and
I
actually
I've
got
another
I
had
a
chance
to
bring
a
guy
in
and
do
some
drafting
with
with
plant
with
some
plans,
but
yeah.
We
don't
plan
on
changing
anything
with
the
windows
up
front.
Behind
that
we
we
could
have
I'd
first
see
us
having
like
displays
and
stuff
where
people
are
driving
by.
They
could
have
a
little
bit
of
literature
on
the
church
that
they
could
read
through
the
window.
Type
of
stuff
are.
A
F
Been
vacant
for
twenty
years
and
it
would
be
and
be
quite
expensive
to
be
able
to
have
it
ready
to
rent,
and
so
it
was
we're
a
small
Church
and
right
now,
there's
there's
a
there's
room
to
grow
for
us,
which
is
exciting,
but
it's
just
it's
not
in
the
on
the
horizon
for
us
at
all,
and
we
estimate
that
that
would
be
twenty
thirty
thousand
dollars
easily
to
be
able
to
to
get
that
ready.
So
we
don't
have
any
current
plans
for
that.
H
F
F
F
J
F
Is
it
my
cold?
It's
neighbors
at
the
right,
correct
name:
I
I
visited
him
him
with
one
day
waiting
to
get
in
the
building,
and
he
was
really
excited
to
have
us
that
we
could
use
his
dumpster
if
we
wanted
to
so
and
then
the
other,
the
other
building
next
to
us
is
well.
They
also
own
the
building
we
bought
so
I.
F
Don't
I,
don't
foresee
that
as
being
a
problem
at
a
at
a
church
or
size,
I
wouldn't
expect
anything
more
than
a
wedding
or
a
funeral
a
year.
It's
it's
not
a
large
church
and
honestly,
most
people
from
our
church.
If
they
were
going
to
have
a
wedding
or
gonna,
have
a
funeral
would
do
it
at
a
different
place,
just
because
it's
not
a
very
conducive
place
for
a
wedding
or
funeral.
F
J
F
Had
sushi
and
talked
to
the
lady
over
there-
and
she
was,
she
was
very
excited
to
to
have
us,
as
as
her
neighbors
and
I
I
haven't,
went
and
talked
to
the
bar,
the
bar
owners,
but
from
from
our
perspective,
we
we
want
to
be
in
an
area
where
there's
people
and
so
the
we
can.
We
like
the
idea
of
being
on
a
street
with
some
bars,
but
there's
a
lot
of
types
of
businesses
on
that
Street
also,
and
so
it's
a
as
a
church.
F
A
Know
parking
is
kind
of
a
challenge
with
any
of
our
businesses
downtown,
whether
it's
a
bar
or
a
church
or
a
clothing
store
or
law
office.
But
you
know
your
earlier
comment
regarding
the
public
parking
that
we
have
in
the
area
area
is
is
important.
You
know
that
you're
you're,
cognizant
of
it
and
the
patrons
of
your
congregation
are
cognizant
of
it
and
it
is,
can
be
a
little
bit
of
a
walk
to
get
to
where
you're
going,
but
we
do
have
those
facilities
available
down
there.
A
J
I
J
E
J
L
J
J
A
K
E
D
This
property
dress
is
812
West
Kemp.
The
applicants
are
Oh
Doug
and
Heather
Walsh
doing
businesses
innovative
adjusters.
The
applicants
seek
approval
to
operate
a
repossession
business
office
and
storage,
both
indoor
and
outdoor
facilities,
with
the
with
a
dwelling
unit
in
the
C
3
highway
commercial
district
pursuant
to
21
2803
18
other
enumerated
uses
in
the
c
3
or
uses
which,
in
the
opinion
of
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
are
of
the
same
general
character
as
those
enumerated
in
the
C
3
district
contingent.
D
Upon
compliance
with
the
purpose
of
the
see-through
zone
and
specific
URLs
governing
conditional
uses
staff
findings,
all
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met,
other
uses,
which,
in
the
opinion
of
the
board
a
Board
of
Adjustment,
are
the
same
general
character
as
those
enumerated
in
the
seat.
Theory
district
is
a
listed
conditional
use
for
the
C
3
highway
commercial
district
for
21
2803
18.
The
applicants
assert
that
the
uses
they
are
proposing.
D
D
If
I
can
just
well
staff
notes
that
the
dwelling
unit
proposed
meets
the
specific
definition
definition
of
caretakers
residents,
we
are
noting
that
it
does
meet
that
specific
definition,
which
is
a
single-family
dwelling
unit
which
will
be
considered
an
accessory
use
to
the
primary
business.
The
individual
residing
at
this
residence
must
own
or
be
employed
by
the
business.
No
home
occupations
will
be
allowed.
D
The
applicants
submitted
a
floor
plan
site
plan
and
written
roof
request
which
reflect
or
do
not
reflect
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
This
board
must
consider
the
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses,
which
include
ingress,
egress
off
street
parking
and
loading
screening,
buffering
signage,
refuse,
exterior
lighting
required
yards
and
open
space
and
general
compatibility
with
the
area
must
also
consider
the
purpose
of
the
c3
zone
and
chapter
21
63
off-street
parking
and
loading
requirements.
There
are
eight
parking
spaces
shown
on
the
site
plan
and
these
must
comply
with
parking
setback
and
regulations.
D
Chapter
twenty
one,
sixty
five
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
commercial
uses
outside
storage
in
commercial
for
commercial
uses
may
be
permitted
if
acceptable
screening
is
provided
and
approved
by
the
building.
Official
displays,
merchandise,
which
is
offered
for
sale,
rental
or
lease
may
be
displayed
beyond
the
confines
of
the
building
chapter:
twenty
twenty
173
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
D
The
property
has
zero
trees
and
the
minimum
number
of
trees
to
be
located
on
a
redevelopment
site
or
lot
shall
be
one
tree
per
50
foot
of
frontage
chapter
21,
80
signs
an
outdoor
advertising
signage
was
not
addressed,
but
it
must
comply
with
ordinance
regulations.
This
board
must
determine
if
satisfactory
provision
and
arrangement
has
been
made
concerning
2100
202
to
b7
A
through
H
in
the
chapters
and
sections
described,
if
generally
endorsed,
the
Board
may
consider
any
conditions
of
approval
deemed
necessary.
A
Did
have
some
questions
regarding
the
proposed
changes
to
the
property.
I
see
the
the
site
plan
here
and
the
proposed
layout
of
the
new
building,
but
what
I
didn't
see
was
was
where
it
addressed
the
screening
as
it
pertains
to
the
adjacent
residential
properties.
So
my
question
was
what
what
screening
would
be
planned
to
remain
in
place?
That's
existing
or
be
added
as
part
of
this
redevelopment
as.
M
A
A
K
M
A
A
M
M
J
M
I
spoke
to
all
of
my
adjacent
neighbors
across
the
street
or
in
jacent
to
our
property,
and
everyone
is
all
for
us
putting
getting
rid
of
that
gas
station
and
putting
a
new
building
up.
I
also
had
mentioned
that
we
would
be
putting
residence
in
this
building
and
no
one
has
any
issues
with
it
whatsoever.
M
M
M
Understand
it:
yes,
when
we
recover
units,
it
is
at
all
hours
of
the
day,
generally
we're
not
out
running
in
the
dead
hours
of
the
night
for
the
most
part,
but
it
does
happen
most
of
the
time
our
trucks
are
coming
going.
You
know
during
the
first
and
second
shift
hours,
not
so
much
as
the
third
shift
hours
I.
K
A
So
the
the
caretaker
definition
that
that
Jill
had
put
up
there
I
think
addresses
some
of
that
and
it
seems
like
in
the
case
of
this.
You
know
this
particular
instance
that
it
would
almost
be
better
security,
both
for
the
business
and
the
neighborhood
to
have
somebody.
That's
that's
there,
24/7
monitoring,
you,
you
think
about
vandalism
and
theft
and
that
sort
of
criminal
element
in
the
neighborhood
at
a
managed
facility
versus
an
unmanned
and.
I
M
A
Think
it's
important
to
to
point
out
from
a
conditional
use
standpoint
that
apartments
are
a
conditional
use
in
the
c3
and-
and
while
this
is
more
of
a
mixed-use
application,
I
don't
think
living.
You
know
it
being
a
mixed
residential
and
commercial
area.
I,
don't
think
an
apartment
type
operation
is
really
outside
of
the
scope
of
what
the
c3
zoning
designation
would
allow
for.
So.
A
Definition
is
something
that
we
should.
We
should
look
at,
especially
you
know.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
kind
of
mixed
use,
definition
over
in
the
Willow
Creek
area
and
some
other
areas
of
town
downtown.
You
know
we
just
looked
at
the
molds
building
and
at
one
point
in
time
most
commercial
operations
had
a
you
know,
a
caretaker
that
lived
on
site.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
discussion,
has
been
kind
of
swinging
back
towards
towards
that
direction
from
a
mixed-use
capacity.
So
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
looking
at
that.
That.
E
A
High
way
commercial-
and
we
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
that-
that
commercial
designation
is
that
the
most
appropriate
commercial
designation.
Clearly
it's
a
commercial
district,
because
we've
had
long-standing
commercial
operations
there,
but
but
is
it
really,
you
know
c3,
you
know,
even
even
if
it
wasn't
c3,
though
I
think
that
mixed
residential
commercial
operation
is
really
in
the
principal
nature
of
the
of
the
area.
D
Well,
I
was
just
gonna,
say:
I
I
think
this
area
was
supposed
to.
It
is
supposed
to
be
driven
a
little
more
towards
commercial.
Isn't
it
the
long
Kemp
Avenue
here,
hoping
that
things
kind
of
residential
fades
out
a
little
and
just
anybody
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
comments
to
that
or
not,
but
I.
A
N
You
bring
up
a
good
point
Jill
in
reference
to
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan.
I
personally
have
not
reviewed
it
in
relation
to
this
application,
or
this
section
of
c3
zoning
in
the
community.
But
given
the
nature
of,
what's
out
there
now,
I
can
see
why
it
is
Zone,
C,
3
and
somewhat
relative,
close
proximity
to
the
thoroughfare
c3
that
we
see
a
little
bit
to
the
west.
Here,
that's
probably
why
the
forefathers
decided
to
zone
it
the
way
they
did
back
when
the
last
any
last
modification
is
only
Memphis
area
were
made.
O
Also
with
it
being
zone
our
two-way
as
the
residential,
that's
the
older
neighborhood,
where
these
businesses
Kemp
is
a
minor
collector.
So
these
commercial
businesses
popped
up
along
that
and
then
but
those
neighborhoods
were
existing.
So
it
would
be
something
there
where
you
would
assume
that
it
would
turn
over
as
commercial
property.
A
A
K
E
A
A
B
A
O
A
So
that's
not
on
the
agenda
board
of
adjustment.
We
move
on
to
item
5,
open
public
comment
for
dissin
to
participants.
If
there's
anybody
to
speak
on
behalf
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
that
hasn't
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
speak
here
today
and
now
is
the
time
to
do
so.
If
you're
here
for
the
plan,
Commission
meeting
we'll
be
having
that
next,
seeing
none
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
period
and
move
on
to
old
business,
any
old
business
Joe
no.
A
A
A
O
A
A
O
E
E
E
O
So
in
front
of
you
guys
is
the
replay
of
lots:
six
through
nine,
a
of
cax
first
edition.
This
is
out
just
north
of
Lake
Pelican.
So
what
this
is
doing?
It's
creating
one
extra
lot,
its
zone
r2,
which
is
single-family
attached
residential
district,
and
they
are
all
conforming
to
the
art
to
that
zoning,
designation
for
size
and
lot
frontage,
and
it's
just
adding
an
extra
lot.
The
reason
that
we're
bringing
it
in
front
of
you
guys
it
would
just
be
an
rate
of
it
would
administrators
Platt.
O
K
O
Yep
so
then,
with
this,
when
we
record
this
will
record
the
addendum
to
the
development
agreement
which
was
recorded
on
May
20th
of
2008,
so
there
are
still
outstanding
obligations.
So
then,
this
is
just
resetting
that
saying
that
if
we're
gonna
replant
this,
then
those
things
need
to
be
done
within
two
years,
which
is
our
standard
time.
Just
it's
been
going
on,
since
it
should
have
been
completed
in
2013.
So.
A
I
O
Yep,
so
how
they've
been
going
about
it
when
they
pull
a
building
permit
than
they
do
pave
down
to
that
site,
because
that
is
a
requirement.
So
then,
just
they
and
they
have
some
fill
to
bring
in
it-
is
within
the
100-year
floodplain.
So
they're
going
to
do
that
work
and
then
are
going
to
get
the
infrastructure
improvements
completed.
A
O
E
A
O
Although
not
not,
one
lot
does
meet
complete
conformity
with
rezoning,
but
I
mean
between
size
requirement
of
the
lot
size
and
then
different
setbacks.
It
does
help
because,
right
now,
with
them
being
zoned
I
to
have
the
industrial,
they
are
supposed
to
be
two
hundred
twenty
thousand
square
feet
and
they,
as
you
can
see,
are
around
the
thirty
thousand
and
then
one
is
one
acre
adjacent
zoning.
L
A
P
Six,
seven
months
ago
we
were
a
part
of
that
gym
and
we
were
there
until
Dakota
finishing,
had
their
fire
slash
explosion,
while
kids
were
in
the
building
across
the
street.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
have
gone
through
so
much
in
the
last
seven
months
and
we
feared
the
safety
of
our
kids.
So
that
is
like
the
main
reasons
why
we
chose
to
left
that
part
of
town
and
I
feel
like
there's
still
a
lot
of
kids
there
and
families
there.
That
will
be
affected.
C
O
P
O
N
I
think
if
I
could,
mr.
chairman,
yes,
speak
briefly
on
this
I
think
it's
important
to
clarify
what
we're
trying
to
summarize
here
is
that
the
current
non-conforming
use
under
the
I
zoning
district
will
still
continue
to
be
a
non
pharming
use
under
any
rezone
of
this
property
as
an
eye
one's
own
district.
Q
I'm
Rex
Gerber
current
one
of
the
co-owners
of
the
land
in
question
here
of
two
of
the
Lots
on
land
anyway,
that
our
main
question
for
the
zoning
far
is
on
our
in
the
current
the
person
and
that
they're
speaking
of
trying
to
stay
their
lease
is
actually
done
with
us,
April
1st,
and
we
have
another
business
that
is
currently
looking
at
possibly
buying
the
property
from
us.
As
part
of
the
reason
we
wanted
to
move
forward
with
this.
A
You
know
looking
looking
at
this
purely
on
a
land
use
and,
what's
you
know,
appropriate
clearly
those
those
lots
are
deficient
from
the
standpoint
of
what
the
requirements
are
to
meet.
I
to
and
and
I
I
know
that
we're
closer
much
closer
to
the
i1
requirements
that
we're
still
deficient
in
some
capacities.
There's
multiple
Lots
there
and
it
looks
like
we
have
multiple
lot
owners,
but
but
is
there
any
potential
where
a
lot
ownership
is
the
same?
O
Q
First
lot:
eighteen
hundred
fourth
Avenue
there
that's
dkd
slum
current
corner
of
that.
The
lot
right
to
the
south
there's.
Actually
a
contract
signed
and
I
believe
there
is
a
I,
don't
remember
what
it's
called
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
easement
signed
with
the
city.
When
we
added
onto
that
property
years
ago,
we
built
within
such
a
close
radius
of
the
property
line,
there's
a
contact
or
contract
with
the
current
owners,
Marlys
Daigle,
when
that
lock
comes
up
for
sale
or
upon
her
death
that
actually
has
to
be
combined
with
the
dkd.
Q
Q
O
A
O
L
C
C
C
K
A
O
O
A
E
O
Did
voice
his
opinion,
you
know
I'll
channel
back,
he
does
not.
He
didn't
have
an
issue
with
rezoning
these
because
they
are
non-conforming
is
I
to
anyway
and
what
I
would
say
as
far
as
zoning,
we
do
have
areas
on
the
perimeter
of
town
that
are
not
necessarily
zoned
I
to
right
now,
but
they
have
they're
large
enough
and
have
the
opportunity
to
be
rezone
I
if
they're,
if
that
use,
is
needed,
yeah.
A
E
O
E
A
O
O
Where's,
my
nameplate,
he
didn't
so
for
a
Board
of
Adjustment.
He
would
like
to
see
it
that
the
alternates
don't
participate
just
so
it
doesn't
add
confusion
to
whose
addressing
and
who's
voting
I
mean
who's,
addressing
discussion
and
who's
voting
and
then
for
Planning
Commission.
He
didn't
he
didn't
care.
He
thought
that
if
there
was
just
some
distinction
where
maybe
we
separated,
if
the
halt,
if
there's
extra
alternates,
if
they
weren't
needed
for
voting
that,
then
there
would
just
be
that
distinction,
but
that
they
could
still
be
involved
with
discussion.
O
So
and
I
see
the
point
with
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
with
that
being
a
quasi
judicial
board
just
for
left,
so
there's
no
confusion
and
that
only
voting
members
are
the
ones
participating
in
discussion
and
asking
the
questions.
But
we
also
Board
of
Adjustment
is
first
before
Planning
Commission.
So
if
we're
allowing,
if,
if
the
alternates
and
we
want,
we
encourage
them
to
come
and
participate
and
learn
so
and
and
to
be
a
part
of
of
the
discussion.
O
So
if
we
would
flip-flop
we're
playing,
Commission
would
be
first
and
then
everybody
that
was
here
that
could
show
up
could
participate
and
then,
if
board
of
adjustment
was
just
the
quorum
of
the
seven
members,
you
need
what
five
four
variances
and
four
for
conditional
uses
for
a
quorum.
Five
all
around
Todd
just
said
it
changed.
Yeah,
I
guess.
O
K
J
Sure,
where
we
are
was
speaking
enough,
I
I,
don't
think
on
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
I
should
I
personally,
don't
think
if
I
were
not
a
voting,
member
I
should
be
asking
questions.
I
would
see
it
as
if
I
were
an
alternate
and
not
needed
to
for
the
quorum
to
vote.
I
would
not
sit
here.
I
would
sit
in
the
audience
if
I
choose
to
remain
and
participate
as
any
other
audience.
Member
was
allowed
to
participate
if
you're
sitting
here
I
don't
care
what
kind
of
bylaws
we
have.
J
There
are
people
that
are
going
to
be
confused,
no
matter
what
and
so
I
would
see
it
for
both
the
board
of
adjustment
and
the
plan.
Commission.
An
alternate
who
is
not
voting
would
not
be
sitting
at
this
table.
They
would
move
to
the
audience
and
then
be
an
audience
participant
just
as
any
other
citizen.
What
be.
J
O
J
J
O
J
A
O
That
was
just
a
thought
if
we
wanted
to
make
things
different
for
like
Board
of
Adjustment
and
Planning
Commission
and
participation
of
the
alternates
just
so
then
we
weren't
saying
you
can
participate
in
Planning
Commission,
but
you
can't
and
part
of
adjustment
but
I
do
like
the
idea
of
just
keeping
it
consistent
and
then
yeah
just
having
the
seven
members
and
when
an
alternate
can
step
in
for
somebody
that
cannot
be
present.
Then
to
do
that
so.
N
C
I
J
A
That's
good
I
mean
the
the
discussion
kind
of
started
to
when
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
could
better
include.
You
know
the
alternates
and-
and
we
value
your
time
and
commitment
to
this
and
it
I
know
it
can
be
a
little
bit
frustrating.
Sometimes
if
you
don't
know
that
you're
gonna
be
needed
or
not
so
it'd
be
it'd,
be
nice
to
include
you
more
times
than
not,
but
but
with
the
confusion
aspect
of
it
too
I
think
I
think
it
does
make
it
a
little
bit
more
clean
to
do
it.
That
way.
Right.
J
I
think
we're
here
to
serve
the
public
and
when
I
agreed
to
be
an
alternate
I
understood
that
there
would
be
times
I
would
come
and
not
be
needed,
but
that
was
part
of
my
agreement.
I
didn't
go
into
that
without
having
accepted
that
myself
and
I'm
willing,
certainly
to
to
continue
to
participate
in
that
manner.
C
O
You
guys
get
weekly
calls
at
all
about
if
you're
needed
or
not
I,
never
have.
Would
you
appreciate
getting
just
a
call
to
say:
hey
you'll
be
acting
as
a
member
or
that
you're
not
needed
in
case.
You
have
other
obligations
that
you,
but
you
know,
because
if
you're,
never,
if
you're
I
mean,
if
you
have
other
obligations
and
you're
not
required
to
be
here
either
right
or
a.
J
I
J
It's
difficult,
I
think
for
anyone
to
say,
you're
not
going
to
be
needed
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
know
you
need
to
round
someone
up.
So
for
me,
if
I'm
around
I
come
if
I'm
in
town
I
come
so,
but
that's
just
me,
I'm
retired
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
outside
obligations
and
that's
for
someone
who's
working,
that's
a
totally
different
circumstance.
I.
I
J
A
D
Like
to
make
two
comments,
this
first
of
all
that
we'd
really
like
to
encourage
alternates
to
be
here
whether
they're
needed
or
not,
because
things
can
get
tabled
and
you
might
be
needed
the
next
time
you
need
to
know.
What's
going
on,
it's
a
it's
a
learning
thing:
it's
a-you
know,
so
we
highly
encourage
whatever
your
decision
here
to
attend,
regardless
of
the
you're
voting
or
not,
and
the
other
thing
is
in
the
past
pretty
far
past.
D
Now
we
used
to
contact
members
because
we
weren't
getting
contacted
and
people
just
weren't
showing
up
and
it
was
a
nightmare
just
an
absolute
nightmare
people,
you
know
they'd
say
well:
I
could
you're
calling
okay
so
so
once
I
was
like
well,
I
could
but
I
you
know,
and
it
was
back
and
forth
and
it
drove
us
crazy.
But
so
that's
why
we
we
put
on
there
that
we
really
need
to
be
to
contact
it.
If
you
can't
show
I.
A
Know
when,
when
somebody
is
gonna,
be
going,
you
guys
go
through
a
lot
of
legwork
of
making
those
phone
calls
and
sending
emails
and
text
messages
whatever
you
need
to
to
ensure
that
we
do
have
enough
participants.
So
we
definitely
appreciate
all
the
work
that
staff
does
on
our
behalf
as
well.
I
mean.
A
C
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
so,
even
though
we're
not
making
a
change
here,
because
my
interpretation
is
that
the
way
you've
just
decided
to
go
forward
is
technically
what
it
says
currently
so
I
don't
think
there
need
be
any
change
to
the
ordinance
or
bylaw
by
itself,
but
I
do
think
I,
don't
think
that
negates
the
need
for
bylaws,
and
so
that
is
something
that's
coming
down.
The
pipe
I
think
so
good.
O
This
was
brought
up
by
the
park
board,
they
are
interested
in
meeting
with
and
so
we're
thinking,
three
park
board
members
and
three
plan
commission
members
to
meet
and
discuss
the
future
of
park
planning.
As
far
as
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan
goes
and
as
we
work
on
updating
that
we
already
did
discuss
the
park
portion
of
the
comp
plan,
but
we
could
go
back
and
study
it
further
with
them.
So
then,
their
input
is
also
a
part
of
our
update.
I
think.
A
A
O
O
O
N
I
A
A
O
Sounds
good
yes,
so
just
look
out
for
that
poll
and
we'll
find
out
a
time
to
meet
and
then
I
will
also
reach
out
and
see
which
Park
boredom
I
think
they
had
an
idea
of
which
Park
board
members
were
interested
to.
But
it
was
initiated
by
them
that
they
had
discussed
that
they'd
like
to
meet.
So
we
will
do
that
perfect.