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From YouTube: BOA & Plan Commission Meeting 09 06 2018
Description
Board of Adjustment Agenda for September 6, 2018
C
B
B
C
B
Application
was
submitted
by
Jamie
BB,
grin
guard
to
create
a
960
square
foot
non-conforming
unattached
garage
by
enlarging
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
576
square
foot,
unattached
garage
with
a
non-conforming
384
square
foot.
Addition
on
the
east
side
of
set
existing
garage.
The
addition
is
proposed
to
be
constructed,
15
feet
from
the
rear
or
north
property
line,
where
a
minimum
of
20
feet
is
required.
The
existing
576
square
foot
or
24
by
24
unattached
garage
currently
sets
15
feet
from
the
rear,
northernly
property
line
again,
where
twenty
feet
is
required.
B
Staff
finds
that
the
r-1
zone
parcel
exceeds
minimum
area
requirements
for
the
r-1
zone.
There
is
sufficient
buildable
area
on
this
13750
four
square
foot
parcel
to
build
additional
attached
and
or
detached
garage
space,
without
variance
in
addition
to
enlargement
of
a
non-conforming
structure.
With
an
on
can
addition,
the
proposal
also
conflicts
with
the
following
ordinance:
provisions
of
the
landscape,
ordinance,
21,
7
302
is
applicability.
B
This
ordinance
shall
apply
to
all
public
right
of
ways
and
to
all
properties
when,
within
the
city
without
regard
to
zoning,
district
or
land
use,
with
the
only
exceptions
specifically
noted
here
in
there
are
no
exceptions
for
this
property.
21
7,
305,
Boulevard
public
right
avoid
landscaping
requirements.
The
entire
public
right-of-way,
excluding
the
street
in
all
zoning
districts
districts
shall
be
devoted
entirely
to
grass
and
approved
tree
plantings,
except
for
the
necessary
the
necessary
surfacing
of
sidewalks
and
driveways.
B
There
shall
be
a
minimum
of
15
feet
of
width
of
grass
adjacent
to
the
public
street
and
in
the
event
that
there
is
not
15
feet
of
public
right-of-way
to
be
utilized
for
the
planting
of
grass.
The
difference
shall
be
met
by
requiring
the
developer
owner
of
the
property
to
provide
the
balance
of
the
required
15
feet
of
grass
on
private
property.
A
Thank
You
Jamie,
so
one
of
the
things
that
that
Jill
had
noted
here
was
in
regards
to
the
infrastructure
improvement.
No,
it
does
not
appear
on
the
overhead
view
that
we've
got
here,
that
the
neighboring
properties
have
sidewalk
installed
and
the
curb
and
gutter
yeah.
So
it's
it's,
not
it's
not
in
the
area
at
the
time.
A
Typically,
in
a
situation
like
this,
we
do
review
these
infrastructure
requirements
where
they're
lacking.
One
of
the
things
that
we
always
like
to
do
is
to
get
a
waiver
of
right
to
protest.
Should
that
infrastructure
come
in
at
a
later
date
that
we
would
that
you
would
at
that
time
put
that
infrastructure
in.
We
don't
necessarily
want
you
to
install
it
on
an
island
where
it's
not
going
to
meet
up
with
anything.
But
what
we
do
like
to
do.
The
way
of
a
right
to
protest
is
that's
something
that
you'd
be
willing
to
do.
A
E
F
D
G
G
Gutter
there
this
one,
the
with
limited
right
right
away
and
how
it
has
to
go
through
there.
The
bike
trail
is
actually
going
to
be
on
the
roadway
in
this
location.
Okay,
so
we
are
looking
to
widen
the
roadway
a
little
bit
on
both
sides,
and
at
that
point
we
will
make
enough
room
for
a
bike
lane
and
two
travel
lanes.
I.
B
Did
want
to
mention
well
Collins,
looking
for
this,
that
this
will
turn
from
I'm
assuming
I
haven't
talked
to
Jamie
about
this
I
didn't
give
her
her
orientation
on
this
I've
just
processed
there,
the
report,
but
this
will
turn
from
a
24
foot
wide
driveway
into
the
possibility
of
40
feet,
which
is
more
than
we
typically
give.
Well,
there
will
be
a
garage
door,
another
one
or
two
on
that
side.
Yes,
one.
I
I
I'm
sorry,
wasn't
there
a
driveway
before
right,
where
you're
gonna
build
the
new
garage?
There
is
a
gravel
driveway
that
it
looks
like
it.
When
I
look
at
the
old
county
records
looks
like
there
was
an
attached
garage
to
the
house
and
then
when
they
did
the
remodel
based.
But
if
you
drive
by
you
can
see,
there's
something
it
looks
like
an
old
driveway.
The
the.
B
G
That's
not
set
yet
this
is
a
difficult
situation,
because
the
driveways
we
do
not
want
to
make
every
driveway
non-conforming
not
allowing
parking
in
there.
So
we
have
to
be
aware
and
make
the
right
decision
to
a
lot
still
allow
parking
there
if
sidewalk
tour
we're
going
if
it's
even
possible,
so
that's
a
design
consideration.
We
solve
to
figure
out.
K
L
L
B
M
Engineering
doesn't
minister
36
foot
maximum
width
on
the
driveways
in
town,
and
so
in
this
scenario,
I,
don't
know
what
the
existing
driveway
with
is
I
apologize,
I
didn't
look
24
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
column,
but
we
would
still
allow
for
a
width
expansion
of
the
current
driveway
up
to
36
feet
and
then
that
could
go
out
to
the
property
line
or
the
right-of-way
line
and
then
widen
out
even
further
at
the
homeowners
discretion
to
accommodate
whatever
parking
pad
or
driveway.
They
would
want
at
that
point.
L
L
B
K
B
B
M
I
K
Comment
for
the
record,
I
I,
don't
necessarily
have
a
problem
when,
like
you
said
past
history,
we
can't
fix
where
the
alignment
was
put.
My
struggle
is
that
we
have
the
space
on
this
lot,
as
we
did
the
last
time
we
had
one
at
the
lake
and
we're
not
I
know
that
it
sounds
insane
to
move
that
garage
back.
But
at
some
point
we
have
to
look
at
that
saying
they
have
the
beautiful
space
to
put
it
on
their
property
without
having
to
ask
for
exceptions.
K
C
C
But
there's
a
there's
a
there's,
a
pretty
steep
step
down
and
I
think
like
a
concrete
wall
and
Bank
bent
on
the
back,
and
it
would
be
really
difficult
to
back
that
out.
I
mean
you'd,
be
talking
about
moving
dirt
you're
talking
about
basic,
probably
ripping
down
the
whole
structure
and
then
rebuilding
it
and
I.
Just
don't
think
that
makes
sense.
No.
J
J
A
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
having
a
lake
district
to
zone
these
things
properly,
because
this
district
is
substantially
different
than
the
other
residential
district
in
the
town.
And
hopefully
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
that.
A
little
bit
later
tonight
and
the
comprehensive
Land
Use
Plan.
K
Agreed,
but
we're
also
talking
a
safety
issue
here
when
we're
going
to
put
a
walking
trail
and
you
back
out
of
that
garage
and
I
mean
I'm
guilty
of
backing
out
of
my
garage
and
I'm
in
a
hurry.
I
just
wouldn't
want
some
child
to
be
riding
by
an
bike
or
walking
now
that
we're
putting
a
trail
on
their
side
and
we're
just
are
getting
closer
and
nothing
against
this
garage
in
particular
I'm.
K
That's
all
you
know
we
widen
that
road
and
then
we're
only
getting
you
know,
people
closer
to
you
know,
potentially
being
you
know,
buy
time
you
back
your
car
out
there
right
there.
So
I'm
with
I
mean
I'm,
just
saying
it's
just
something:
we
we
really
need
to
even
think
about
going
forward.
If
we,
the
more,
we
approve
the
more
we're
going
to
have
people
coming
and
asking
because
the
last
person
got
it.
The
last
person
got
last
person,
got
it
and
and
I
agree.
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
N
H
A
B
D
A
A
D
A
A
D
A
C
A
Just
withdraw
that
from
the
new
business
we'll
still
discuss
the
downtown
overlay
district
in
the
new
business
section
yeah,
so
I
gotta
get
a
motion
for
an
approval
of
the
revised
agenda,
so
moved
motion
a
second
all
in
favor
post
motion
passes
item
three
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
August
23rd
2018
meeting
made
a
motion
so
moved
motion
by
Liam
second
by
Rhonda,
all
in
favor
aye.
H
P
P
Here
we're
gonna,
be
talking
more
about.
It's
gonna,
be
a
lot
more
a
lot
like
a
book
report
version.
Today
there
is
it's
more
just
looking
at
the
town
itself
and
I'll
get
into
that
with
with
that
being
the
introduction
I,
obviously,
I
should
introduce
myself
I'm
Luke
Muller
Senior
Planner,
first
District
Association
local
governments,
part
of
my
job.
There,
though
I'm
not
doing
that
today,
is
that
I
serve
as
a
Zoning
officer
for
Cannon
County,
as
well
as
working
with
many
towns
and
counties
with
their
land
use,
plan,
zoning
ordinances
and
anything
else.
P
With
the
word
plan
and
I'm
also
the
president
of
South
Dakota
planners
Association,
and
for
the
last
several
years
we've
been
working
on
this
land
use
plan
today.
What
we're
gonna
do
is
we're.
Gonna
recap:
I'll
spend
just
a
couple
of
minutes.
Waking
us
up
with
regards
to
what
we
talked
about
last
meeting
and
then
and
ask
for
anybody.
P
If
you
got
any
comments
and
thought
of
something
you
want
to
talk
about
with
regards
to
that,
let's
put
that
toward
the
end
of
this
discussion
and
talk
about
it
at
the
end
or
even
I,
see
something
on
the
agenda
for
the
old
business.
We
could
talk
about
then
as
well,
and
then
we'll
talk
about
reviewing
the
document
so
before
I
go
to
the
next
page
here,
I
guess
I
won't
either
in
just
a
moment.
P
Last
meeting
we
talked
about
some
of
the
simple
things:
the
introduction,
the
planning
at
the
process
we
followed,
went
through
a
lot
of
information
about
demographic
trends.
You
know
census
information,
American,
Community
Survey,
where
it
is
why
we
had
it
and
then
talked
about
some
of
the
goals,
policies,
objectives
as
well
as
current
and
future
constraints,
be
them
infrastructural
or
environmental.
P
You
remember
how
we
came
through
some
of
that
and
there
was
some
suggestion
about
trying
to
refine
some
language
about
about
floodplain
into
there,
as
well
as
the
potential
for
I.
Think
staff
was
gonna
work
on
some
some
potential,
typical
sections
or
some
model
local
streets
as
well
that
weren't
just
the
version.
We've
always
we've
come
to
expect
or
have
in
the
past,
so
those
are
some
things.
D
P
That
way,
we're
not
going
volleyball
with
those
ideas,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
so
we'll
wait
till
down
there
to
discuss
any
of
that.
So
good
news.
Well,
let's
move
on
to
what
we're
talking
about
today
and
today.
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
existing
land
use
of
the
developed
area
of
the
town.
P
Let's
face
it,
the
a
lot
of
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
with
our
land
use
plans-
and
we
talked
about
this
in
the
last
time-
is
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
looking
outward
our
future
growth
is
going
to
be
in
the
out
outer
areas
to
be
honest
from
a
future
land
use
planning.
That's
probably
the
sexier
part,
the
part
that
we
we
know
less
about.
We
it's
someplace
that
we
can
just
go
to,
and
it's
really
simple,
realistically
we're
looking
in
the
mirror
when
we're
talking
existing
land
use,
we
got
it.
P
We
got
a
look
at
some
of
those
things
we
don't
always
like.
Sometimes
it's
variances,
we
issue.
Sometimes
it's
things
we
got
to
work
around
and
that's
really.
What
we're
talking
about
here
with
existing
land
use
categorically
is
how
we've
usually
reviewed
them,
and
what
do
I
mean
by
that?
That's
the
type
of
land
use
that
you've
got
your
public,
your
quasi
public,
your
your
commercial,
your
industrial,
those
sorts
of
things
and,
generally
speaking,
that's
how
we've
looked
at
things
to
have
proportions.
We've
got
this
many
people
we've
got
this
many
acres
of
parks.
P
Therefore,
we
should
plan
this
many
more
acres
of
parks,
because
we've
got
that
many
people,
that's
nice.
It's
helped.
It's
done
very
good
for
service.
What
this
version
of
this
or
this
land-use
plan
does.
Is
it
not
only
looks
at
that
categorically,
but
also
spatially?
Where
have
we
been
putting
those
things?
Where
are
we
lacking
some
of
those
things,
and
where
can
we
expect
those
to
go
into
the
future?
And
so
what
we've
done
it
took
it
into
primary
land
use
types
in
the
categorical
review.
P
It
identifies
proportional
information
and
then
it
also
did
get
into
a
little
bit
of
detail
just
because
I
can't
help,
but
stick
a
map
into
every
section.
I
had
to
have
a
few
into
the
categorical
review,
as
well,
specifically
with
regard
to
the
public
uses
and
the
industrial,
and
then
it
was
spatial
like
I
said
we
just
go
into
where
they're
at
and
split
them
into
different
types.
P
This
form
is
helpful
really
to
point
out,
for
example,
you
can
see
where
we're
at
with
our
existing
development.
In
town,
we
have
two
thousand
eighty
three
acres
used
for
residential
development
in
town,
that's
as
of
when
we're
doing
this,
where
we
got
some
of
this
information.
I
should
point
this
out.
P
This
information
provides
a
snapshot
in
time,
it's
as
good
as
when
we
did
it.
We
use
the
land,
use
inventory
dating
all
the
way
back
to
2008,
but
and
then
updated
with
building
permits
and
other
sorts
of
permits,
as
we
went
through
here,
used
aerial
imagery,
as
well
as
building
permit
information
to
update
that
reviewed
uses
that
are
out
there
in
order
to
get
us
to
where
we
are
and
again
this
tells
us
how
many
acres
we've
got
towards
certain
uses.
This
does
not
include
roads,
they're
streets,
they're
rights
away
into
there.
P
P
So
what
that
tells
us
is:
we've
got
land,
that's
waiting
to
be
developed
in
that
egg
and
vacant
space
that
we
frankly
have
to
figure
out
how
we're
gonna
handle
the
zoning
of
that
it
tells
us
about
how
much
land
we've
got
zone.
So,
if
we're
having
disproportionate,
disproportionate
commercial
versus
residential
development,
we
understand
we're
gonna
be
sitting
on
that
for
a
while.
Unless
something
drastically
changes
in
that
section
spend
a
lot
of
time.
A
lot
of
pages
dedicated
to
public
and
quasi
public
uses.
P
A
lot
of
that
is
because,
frankly,
that's
the
public
aspect,
that's
the
amenity
aspect
and
that's
how
we
can
serve
our
folks
really
what
this
does
is
it
paints
a
picture
of
how
the
city's
attempted,
through
public
and
private
services,
to
provide
for
the
health
and
recreation
something
to
do
for
folks
that
live
here
as
well
as
trying
to
provide
an
area
for
water
retention.
You
know
trying
to
heal
the
land
as
well
at
the
same
time.
P
So
it's
really
how
we've
handled
things
identifies
in
this
section
that
talks
about
Parks
and
Recreation,
which
I'll
go
into
more
depth
in
a
little
bit.
Schools
split
into
the
topics
I've
got
listed
there,
health
facilities
where
they're
hospitals
or
clinics
and
then
Public
Safety
fire
police,
provide
some
background
as
well
into
there.
We
didn't
talk
about.
We
did
not
talk
about
storm
sirens
within
there,
but
there's
another
thing
that
could
go
into
there,
but
we've
got
that
within
hazard
planning
as
well.
P
So
with
that
moving
forward
in
the
parks
and
recreation
category
of
this
section,
we've
got
things
split
into
greenways
and
trails
parks.
Special
use
out
for
outdoor,
especially
used
for
indoor
and
public
private
education,
public
and
private
education
seems
pretty
straightforward,
I
think
most
you
notice
school
is
and
what
a
colleges
are
at
two
years.
That's
that's
what
that
is
especially
uses
indoor
in
special
uses
outdoor.
Those
may
seem
a
little
bit
odd,
but
basically
the
special
use
outdoor
is
a
sort
of
park.
P
You
would
go
to
and
expect
some
sort
of
dedicated
use
for
water
tones
Stadium,
for
example,
is
a
good
example
of
that
Allen
Mitchell
field.
The
track
is
a
good
example.
People
can
go
run
on
the
track
if
they
are
into
that
sort
of
thing
or
you
can
have
track
meets
there.
Coordinated
events
out
there.
That's
what
a
special
use
outdoor
site
is
especially
use.
Indoor
is
similar.
Only
it's
inside
it's
the
sort
of
place
you
would
expect.
You're,
probably
gonna
have
to
use
pay
to
use,
but
it's
still
a
public
sort
of
a
thing.
P
P
A
A
C
P
P
The
best
example
I
can
think
of
is
is
within
that
that
that
stretch,
they're,
saying
Eastwood's
addition
where
you've
got
that
Greenway
and
you're
going
to
have
it's
not
necessarily
intend
to
have
water
year-round,
but
it
is
expected
that
you're
going
to
have
some
sort
of
cattails
or
orchard
grass-
or
you
know
some
sort
of
wet
grasses
will
say
not
not
quite
grass
or
you're
a
Kentucky
bluegrass
into
there,
and
then
it
also
includes
the
areas
surrounding
trails
as
well.
That's
what
that
portion
is
this.
P
Just
here
is
a
list
of
references,
the
areas
in
which
identified
some
of
those
again.
This
is
not
all
of
the
stormwater
protection
areas
that
we
have.
You
know
we
don't
have
the
Willow
Creek
ponds
into
here.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
those
areas
into
there,
but
this
is
more
some
of
some
of
the
places
that
we
see
both
park
and
trailer
trail
and
open
areas
where
people
would
tend
to
congregate
definitely
is
not
comprehensive
list
of
all
those,
but
just
but
a
listing
of
those
going
into
the
parks.
P
Back
to
your
question,
Liam,
the
the
neighborhood
versus
the
community
park
and
I'm
gonna
describe
it
in
the
non
scientific
way.
First,
okay,
I've
nearly
forty
years
I've
been
in
this
area,
grew
up
just
outside
of
town
I,
guess
what
I
would
the
best
way
I
could
describe
the
difference
between
the
community
park
in
the
neighborhood
park.
P
The
neighborhood
is,
generally
speaking,
going
to
be
a
place
where
it's
more
commonly
known
by
the
neighborhood.
Sorry
I
land
use,
planner,
I,
didn't
know
where
Harper
Park
was
until
I
had
kids.
The
bottom
line
is:
is
that
those
neighborhood
parks
are
that?
Generally
speaking,
you
know
exist
out
there
if
you
live
in
one
part
of
town,
but
you
probably
have
to
go
find
them.
P
P
So
going
to
that
point,
let's
go
to
the
part
where
I
say
this
will
be
applicable
as
you're
annexing
area
and
dedicating
residential
land
you're
exactly
right
brandy.
That
was
next
slide.
The
the
main
point
on
this
previous
slide
just
want
to
point
out.
You
can
see
acres
dedicated
to
each
of
these
parks
listing
into
there.
The
only
one
I
guess
I
would
go
back
to
a
couple
of
them:
the
parks
within
the
trailer
courts.
You
can
see
on
the
west
side.
P
Some
of
those
are
kind
of
I'd,
call
them
quasi
public,
but
they
are
neighborhood
parks
and
then
the
other
one.
That's
on
there
that
I
some
may
look
at
cross
side
would
be
at
lincoln
school
that
one's
kind
of
a
combination
they
called
it
Lincoln
Park
for
the
most.
As
you
look
at
this,
the
rest
of
the
schools
are
not
included
in
this
okay.
The
other
thing
that's
not
included
in
here,
which
is
a
good
question
that
sometimes
comes
up,
is
and
I'll
show
it
on
here.
Memorial
Park
is
not
in
here.
P
The
sandy
shores
is
not
on
here.
The
reason
those
are
not
on
here
is
because
those
are
not
city-owned
tomorrow,
the
state
could
decide
that
they
want
to
make
some
money
by
allowing
gambling
in
places
and
sandy
shores
looks
like
a
great
place
to
do
it.
That
part
could
be
gone.
We
can't
control
it.
That's
not
something
we
control,
not
saying
that
that's
going
to
happen,
but
bottom
line
is,
is
that
we
can't
control
those.
P
This
slide
here
I
think
it's
probably
going
back
to
what
brandy
had
mentioned
and
I
think
it's
really
one
of
the
things
you
want
to
think
about
from
a
standpoint
of
parks,
planning
and
I.
Think
that
I've
provided
this
since
this
portion
of
this
was
done
to
the
parks
department
as
as
they're
reviewing
information
that
they
want
to
keep
this
in
mind.
P
Look
at
the
the
green
table
on
here
did
some
analysis
to
figure
out
what
census
block
data
to
determined
that
right
now
right
around
ninety
four
percent
of
the
people
in
Watertown
live
within
a
half
a
mile
of
a
park
that
is,
that
includes
about
95
percent
of
all
children
in
town
and
slightly
less
obviously,
of
the
adults
flip
that
on
its
head
about
5%
of
people,
six
percent
of
people,
I
should
say.
Don't.
G
P
That
close,
so
basically,
what
I'm
getting
at
here
is
that
95
percent
we
expect
95
percent
of
us
to
be
within
a
five-minute
walk
of
a
park.
That's
basically
what
it
is,
whether
people
are
doing
that
on
purpose
or
not.
Generally
speaking,
a
half
a
mile
from
parks
is
generally
accepted
or
planned
to
be
a
five-minute
walk
and
that's
more
from
emergency
planning
that
I
get
that
from
so
as
you're
thinking
about
that
in
future
planning.
That's
where
Brandi
made.
P
Did
not
come
up
with
that,
but,
generally
speaking,
the
that's
the
second
part
of
this
slide.
Okay,
the
the
map
on
here
shows
that
half
a
mile
and
I
didn't
just
randomly
choose
a
half
a
mile,
but
generally
speaking
the
half
a
mile
is
what
uses
a
service
area.
It's
not
it's,
not
a
universal,
but
in
the
same
breath
that's
the
half
a
lot
of
times
what
you
look
at.
K
Q
O
O
L
D
Not
the
park
department,
it's
the
park
board
that
has
the
discretion
and
we're
presumably
percent
under
plan
commission.
Then
we
do
relay
your
wishes
to
the
park
board,
but
it
is
their
their
decision,
not
that
they
are
going
against
what
you
guys
are
saying,
but
in
times
where
they
as
far
as
maintenance
costs
and
size-wise,
that's
why
maybe
they
would
take
the
cash
in
lieu
but
I
think
as
a
community.
We
are
more
we're
going
towards
accepting
the
land
well,.
R
They
shouldn't
have
that
if
the,
if
we
go
through
the
discussion
and
the
discourse
that
the
Planning
Commission
makes
the
recommendation
of
the
City
Council
and
in
the
acceptance
we
approve
the
preliminary
platen
on
when
the
plat
comes
in
to
the
City
Council,
the
City
Council
is
approving
a
plat,
so
they're
buying
into
the
same
aspect
that
this
is
the
proper
place
for
a
park.
Then
that
should
be
part
of
the
capital
improvement
planning
process
or
what
have
you
and
then
everybody
should
be
going.
You
know
lockstep
together.
F
Q
Mow
it
until
it's
developed,
and
then
you
got
more
maintenance.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
say
out
loud,
I
haven't
really
even
announced
this
and
I'm
not
sure
that
when's,
the
appropriate
time
last
year,
brandy
went
to
the
maybe
it
was
this
year,
went
to
the
International
Planning
Association
conference
and
saw
a
presentation
on
parks
and
communities
and
told
me
about
it
and
I.
Q
There's
an
initiative
across
our
country
to
have
every
neighborhood
every
home,
every
residential
place
in
our
country
within
a
ten
minute,
walk
from
a
park
and
I
signed
up
to
be
a
mayor
in
support
of
that
concept
and
I
am
in
support
of
that
concept,
and
it's
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
a
park
within
a
half
a
mile.
It's
probably
closer
to
a
quarter
of
a
mile,
but
I
I
personally
think
a
quarter
of
a
mile
is
a
more
appropriate
spacing
to
have
a
neighborhood
space.
Q
That's
dedicated
for
whether
it's
for
taking
your
dog
for
a
walk,
throwing
a
frisbee
or
having
a
playground
or
a
ball
field,
they're
all
different
scale.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
uniform
boilerplate
across
the
board,
but
every
residential
location
should
have
space
within
walking
distance,
public
space.
I.
Q
Think
that's
my
opinion
and
I
think
this
probably
is
the
appropriate
time
if
we're
going
to
adopt
a
comp
plan
to
see
if
the
community
agrees
with
me
and
then,
if,
if
the
community
does,
maybe
we
need
to
say
that
in
our
comp
plan
and
if
the
community
doesn't
forget
about
it,
but
I'm
feel
very
strongly
about
that.
If
you
want
to
live
in
a
town,
there
should
be
a
place
for
recreation
nearby,
every
single
residential
location
in
a
town
well,.
R
R
That's
that's
not
what
I'm
talking
about
an
actual
place
that
has
other
things
than
just
sitting
and
walking
and
walking
around
I
mean
things
that
you
can
do
there
and
so
I
think
whether
it's
a
half
a
mile
or
it's
a
three-eighths
of
a
mile
or
it's
a
quarter
mile
or
it's
in
a
walking
distance.
You
know
that's
kind
of
all
subjective
to
being
who's,
doing
the
walking
and
and
so
I
think
we've
been
going
on
the
right
path,
I
think
as
a
community.
Q
N
Q
Are
two
different
boards,
but
they
should
be.
You
know
having
the
same
vision
and
you
know:
they'll
have
different
thoughts.
They
are
thinking
about
the
poor,
Park
Department
that
has
to
maintain
all
that
extra
land
and
they
do
not
want
gullies
and
undeveloped
Irbil
pits
that
are
you
know,
leftover
pieces
in
subdivision
areas
called
parks,
because
on
paper
they're
just
a
rectangle
looks
like
an
okay
place.
Then
you
get
out
there
and
look
it's
like
that's
a
park.
That's
that's
not
the
kind
of
park
that
we
want.
Q
We
don't
want
the
unmaintainable
unusable
remnants
of
development.
So
it's
you
know
we
I
would
hope
to
see
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
Park
Board,
not
at
odds
with
one
of
another
one
another,
but
in
concert
and
looking
for
appropriate
locations.
This
is
great.
I
like
this
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
statement
of
purpose.
Maybe
maybe
there
is
one
is.
K
K
Q
Would
be,
and
if
you
look
at
other
communities
they
have
walkable
scores.
We
don't
do
that
here
and
it's
I
mean
we
probably
will
20
years
from
now.
But
let's
think
about
that,
because
that
is
a
selling
point
for
people.
Look
at
that
and
it's
it's
important
when
you're
looking
at
living
in
a
community
to
be
able
to
have
that
walkability
where
you
can
get
to
places
you.
A
G
P
G
A
P
R
R
Would
no
what
I'm
saying
is
what
we
need
to
I
think
we
identified
what
community
parks
are
and
what
neighborhood
parks
are
within
the
land
use
plan,
and
if
we
identify
what
a
land,
what
a
community
park
is
to
me
a
community
park
would
be
something
like
Highland
Park.
You
know
something
along
those
lines:
diamond
ball.
You
know
Belmont
some
of
those
things
a
neighborhood
park
would
be
like
Harper,
Park
or
the
one
over
here
just
over
by
the
Masonic
Temple
I
mean
some
of
these.
The
smaller
parts
that
aren't.
R
I
think
we
need
if
we
have
classifying
our
parks
by
what
types
of
services
those
parks
are
providing.
Then
we
talk
about.
What's
this,
how
far
should
those
be
from
people
and
then
community
parks
they're
not
going
to
be
every
quarter
mile
every
three
eighths,
but
they
need
to
be
in
areas
that
can
accommodate
and
then
what's
the
standards
a
community
park,
you
know
what
kind?
What
are
the
transportation
requirements
that
you
need
to
get
the
community.
L
Whatever
we
do,
I
hope
we
don't
overlook
the
the
kind
of
the
disconnect
between
again
what
I
feel
happens
at
times
with
the
Planning
Commission,
where
we
designate
the
park
area
and
then
it
ends
up
being
something
else.
We
need
to
close
that
gap
and
something
you
know
certainly
getting
in
step
with
each
other,
but
something
more
where
we
hope
that
the
you
know
the
the
Park
Board
does.
You
know
follows
the
recommendations
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
ad
I.
Just
think.
That's
a
that's
a
disconnect
that
we
need
to.
R
R
A
bowl
I
mean,
let's
call
it
what
it
is,
I
mean
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
up
and
and
and
romp
around
by
the
Christian
school
south
of
14th
Avenue,
and
in
that
area
out
there
that's
just
basically
a
drainage.
Ditch
I
mean
you
call
it
what
it
mean:
it's
not
a
park,
that's
not
a
park.
If
you're
gonna
say
you
need
to
see
trees,
you
need
to
see
activity.
You
need
to
see
things
going
on.
K
E
D
They're
there
they're
a
pewdie,
so
they
all
of
their
rear
yards
have
lesser
setbacks.
Cuz
then
they
have
the
green
space
behind
them,
but
I
was
just
trying
to
look
that's.
Why
I
missed
that
question:
Watertown
Christian
school,
that
that
drainage?
That's
not
a
public
park.
That's
their
soccer
field.
R
That
and
you
can
just
go
everywhere
in
every
development,
where
we
have
required
retention,
detention
facilities
may
most
often
or
not.
Sometimes
they
get
co-opted
into
park
space,
even
though
they're
not
technically
a
park,
but
they
sometimes
get
taken
as
part
of
the
park.
Dedication
requirement
in
some
places
and.
F
A
The
standpoint
of
this
you
know
this
study
or
if
we,
if
we
do
one
at
a
quarter
mile
for
neighborhood
parks
or
whatever
it
is
what's
the
reason
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
look
at
the
school
properties.
You
know
they
have
Jungle
Jim
playground,
equipment,
they're,
often
used
as
a
neighborhood
park.
Would
we
want
to
include
them.
A
N
P
G
P
O
A
A
It
kind
of
jumps
out
at
me
because
when
you
look
at
the
map-
and
you
look
at
the
areas
that
that
don't
fall
within
one
of
these
radiuses,
you
know
over
in
the
McKinley
district
is
one
of
those
areas
and
McKinley
does
have
a
nice
little
playground
on
the
school
site
and
I
know
a
lot
of
those
kids
in
that
neighborhood
use
it.
So
right.
D
P
Show
all
of
the
different
types
of
park
under
there
yeah
we
we
could,
with
all
of
the
properties
that
were
on
there
I'm
new
crew
century
I
may
have
had
that
map
and
just
not
had
it
in
the
document
because
they
had
85
maps
but
yeah
it's.
It
would
be
something
that
we
could
do
with
a
special
use
there.
The
I'd.
R
R
P
P
So
a
couple
of
things
that
came
out
of
this
as
I'm
looking
at
this
one
is
one
is
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
map
that
indicates
all
all
parks.
Okay
is
going
to
be
that
you're
going
to
want
some
sort
of
a
number
that
says
it's
our
intention
that
no
portion
of
a
residential
development
be
more
than
either
blank
distance
or
blank
minutes
from
a
park,
and
that
may
be
commercial
that
are
not
commercial
that
may
be
community
or
neighborhood
I'm,
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
get
down
to
that
specificity.
P
R
R
R
N
D
P
L
C
R
Back
twelve
or
fourteen
years
ago
we
did
a,
we
did
a
sidewalk
study
for
the
city
that
talked
about
pedestrian
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
that
study,
and
it
was
never
fully
adopted
by
the
City
Council
or
the
Planning.
Commission
was
at
least
identifies
those
areas
of
interest
where
generators,
schools
and
parks,
and
making
sure
that
you
had
adequate
public
pedestrian
traffic
ways,
sidewalks
or
trails,
probably,
and
primarily,
sidewalks
that
are
handicapped,
accessible
within
at
least
six
blocks.
That
was
the
that's.
R
Q
R
R
R
N
A
We're
on
the
topic
of
that
and
I'll
take
the
chance
to
harp
on
this
again
because
it's
one
of
my
favorite
topics,
but
we
don't
have
pedestrian
walkway
to
Lyons
Park,
which
is
a
major
safety
issue
and
in
my
opinion,
but
that's
that's
something
that
you
notice
in
a
lot
of
the
areas
around
town
where
we
don't
have
good
pedestrian
walkways
into
the
parks,
even
once
you
become
adjacent
to
them.
So
you
know
Highland.
Q
More
pedestrian
oversight
on
our
newer
parks.
Well,
where
our
ordinance
says
the
sub
divider
needs
to
provide
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
every
street,
and
then
we
defer
it.
We
allow
it
to
be
deferred
until
the
homeowner
builds
a
house
on
it
and
then
they
put
the
sidewalk
on
and
then
oh,
no,
how
is
here
this
is
a
park.
They
should
not
be
deferring
the
sidewalk
on
that
part
of
the
road
next
to
a
park
and
some
some
of
the
development
agreements
have
caught
that
and
the
newer
ones
yeah.
K
P
Well,
that's
exactly
how
I
saw
that
discussion
going
so
I
didn't
expect
quite
a
bit
on
that.
Well,
I
was
hoping,
if
you,
if
you've,
got
good
data
and
good
information.
That
was
really
the
goal
here
I'd.
This
is
something
we
just
haven't
seen
we
haven't
done
something
like
this
and
I
know
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
have
asked
for
so
I'm
glad
we
at
least
got
closer
there.
This
is
just
a
listing
and
acres
used
for
special
use,
parks,
indoor
and
outdoor.
P
You
can
see
that
the
bulk
of
that
land
listed
there
includes
the
Wellness
Center,
as
well
as
the
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
outdoor
areas.
You
can
see
where
a
lot
of
those
are
you
get
bramble
Park
Zoo,
but
the
bulk
of
that
includes
the
Golf
Course
into
there
as
well
in
counts
for
25
percent
of
that
area.
You
can
see
those
you
don't
need
me
to
read
through
all
of
them
to
you,
but
do.
Q
R
Q
P
R
R
P
There's
well,
they
were
done
with
parks.
There
wasn't
really
much
about
that.
That's
good
I'm
glad
we
had
that.
Had
those
discussions
doesn't
mean
we're
closed
on
that,
but
let's
get
through
some
of
this
other
and
we
can
bounce
back.
If
you
want
to
hit
the
highlights,
we
can
get
back
to
parks
again
too,
but
let's
see
where
we
can
go
from
here.
This
next
slide
just
indicates
the
types
of
residential
use:
we've
got
entire
town.
Of
course
this
is
categorical.
P
Still
a
lot
of
detail
goes
on
farther
on,
as
you
read
through
it,
the
bulk
of
our
residential
development
is
obviously
into
single-family.
Residential
85%
of
the
residential
development
is
for
single-family
houses.
What
was
interesting
to
me
is
the
area
dedicated
to
multiple
family
and
manufactured
homes
is
actually
more
for
manufactured
homes
than
it
is
for
multifamily,
which
surprised
me
a
little
bit,
but
nonetheless
that
was
a
that's
where
the
land
shakes
out
right
now,
commercial
and
again,
there's
more
data
to
come
on
this,
but
this
just
is
a
breakdown
of
the
amount
acres.
P
We
have
of
commercial
development
again
the
the
types
of
commercial
development
go
back
to
that
land
use
that
land
use
grab
that
we
had
in
2008
did
update
some
of
that
information
as
we
had
it.
Generally
speaking,
they
remain
about
the
same
as
far
as
proportions,
although
it
may
be
a
little
bit
more
as
we
get
closer
here.
But
again
that
was
the
most
recent
detailed
data
that
we
had,
but
we've
got
609
acres
of
commercial
property
in
town
at
seven
point
three:
two
percent
of
our
total
developed
area.
P
This
is
spent
a
little
bit
more
time
in
this
draft
with
industrial
uses,
because
the
industrial
uses
got
slated
in
a
couple
of
those
other
reviews
as
far
as
the
commercial
and
the
residential
area
reviews.
So
the
next
map
you're
going
to
see
well,
we
did
is
identified
the
industrial
parks
that
we're
out
there
and
the
percent
developed,
not
necessarily
the
percent
owned,
because
a
company
may
own
them
and
plan
on
expanding
at
some
point,
but
the
percent
currently
developed
and
and
didn't
call
it
developed
and
undeveloped,
but
basically
developed
and
underdeveloped.
P
P
They
would
likely
be
interested
in
selling
that
that's
just
an
assumption
out
there,
but
really
all
it
did
in
this
and
I've
just
got
two
slides
that
show
about
the
same
thing:
the
amount
of
land
in
that
area
and
that
just
was
used
combining
the
parcels
and
then
the
amount
of
acres
open
parcels
that
aren't
used
right
now,
and
so
that's
where
the
percentages
go
percent
occupied
versus
percent
available.
And
then
this
map
just
indicates
where
those
are
green
areas
on
this
map.
P
P
P
So
there's
there's
more
information,
of
course,
in
the
draft
itself,
there's
a
there's
a
paragraph
description
of
what's
going
on
in
each
of
these
developments.
Specifically,
this
may
be.
This
industrial
park
is
used
for
heavy
heavy
industrial.
This
one
is
used
for
more
contractor
shops
and
yards
that
sort
of
things
a.
R
Little
more
descriptive.
The
important
thing
to
think
about,
though,
is
that
within
these
areas,
where
you
see
green
on
the
map,
it
may
look
like
there's
a
lot,
but
there
really
isn't
a
lot
of
land
I.
Think
if
you
were
to
talk
to
the
Development
Corporation
or
those
people
in
the
know,
there's
lots
there's
lots
there,
but
some
of
those
lots
don't
really
connote
a
good
use
for
heavier
industrial
type
uses.
If
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
looking,
we
are
very
late
and
I
to
area
property
in
the
community
and
some
of
those
areas.
R
P
Where
these
two
slides
together
the
information
there
work
together,
because
if
you
just
look
at
the
total
area
available,
I
think
wow,
they
add
all
these
numbers
up.
We've
got
a
lot
of
acres
available.
Well,
we
really
don't,
because
if
you
look
at
the,
if
you
look
at
the
map
itself,
part
of
its
spoken
for
and
looking
for
a
use,
but
other
parts
are
just
flat
out
in
smaller
parcels
and-
and
you
know,
you'll
hear
from
the
Development
Corporation
there
may
be
a
bit
while
that
may
work
for
some
businesses.
G
P
K
P
The
only
there
was
one
classified,
as
quote
other
I
didn't
know,
there
were
12,
12,
plus
and
other
two
properties,
I
really
couldn't
classify
as
being
anywhere
else
and
they're,
primarily
out
toward
highway
20
in
some
of
that
area.
That
was
planned
for
industrial
development
back
in
the
50s
and
just
kind
of
had
some
scattered
development
to
get
cut
off
by
commercial
development
in
some
other
areas.
P
Do
a
brief
introduction
here
and
point
out
this
spatial
review.
This
is
where
we
Pat
our
back
on
doing.
This
is
that
this
is
the
first
time
this
sort
of
a
review
has
been
done
since
1968
in
town.
We
haven't
done
a
spatial
review
like
this
I
mean
again.
Part
of
that
is
because,
just
looking
in
the
mirror,
it's
not
always
fun
to
look
in
the
mirror.
P
The
other
part
is
it's
just
not
convenient
either,
and
in
this
case
we
weren't
focused
on
that
in
the
past,
but
this
is
really
what
you
see
on
a
day
to
day
basis
when
you're
wearing
your
Board
of
Adjustment
hat,
and
this
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
the
staff
is
would
really
I'm.
If
I
were
a
staff,
member
I'd
want
to
have
some
that
I
could
go
back
to
and
say
see
it's
our
intent
to
do
XYZ
in
this
area.
P
At
the
very
least,
that's
one
from
a
standpoint
of
issuing
conditional
uses
and
variances,
as
well
as
updating
our
rules
having
smaller
Lots
in
areas
and
things
like
that.
So
sources
you
can
see
where
we
did.
It
split
these
into
regions
again
geographer
the
recovering
geography
and
me
calls
these
things.
Regions
they're
their
portions
of
town,
their
neighborhoods,
Elementary,
School
District's,
is
what
we
used
as
well
as
lakum
Pesce,
as
a
redevelopment
area
is
what
we
called
them
split.
P
The
review
and
the
quasi
public
and
public
review
so
split
that
down
a
little
bit
further
as
far
as
what's
going
on
on
there
as
opposed
to
just
park
open
space.
That
sort
of
thing
got
a
little
more
in
depth
in,
though,
and
then
took
a
look
at
residentially.
What
is
the
population?
What
is
the
population
density?
What
are
the
lot
areas
and
what
is
the
occupancy
status?
We
looked
at
a
lot
area
because
it's
logical
to
believe
that
your
lot
area
is
going
to
be
if
I
got
a
smaller
lot.
P
I'm
likely
gonna
have
smaller
setbacks,
and
so
that's,
where
you're
expecting
to
see
more
of
your
variance
requests
if
you've
got
small
Lots
occupancy
status,
that's
where
you're,
probably
gonna,
have
some
conflicting
land
uses
and
expect
some
things
like
that
as
well.
So
I'm
really
just
gonna
flip
through
these
and
point
out
your
general
land
use
by
type
on
these
maps
that
you're
about
to
see
as
I
flip
through
them.
If
someone
says
hey
hold
up,
what
was
that
in
that
area?
Go
ahead?
P
Tell
me,
but
yellow
is
residential
land
use,
green
is
public
or
quasi
public.
What's
a
quasi
public,
a
quasi
public
is
a
church
or
a
private
school
or
a
civic
organization,
or
even
a
publicly
owned
or
a
privately
owned.
Utility
is
a
good
example.
So
blue
is
commercial
and
red
you'll
see
in
a
minute
is
industrial.
You
can
see
in
the
Jefferson
area.
There
is
no
industrial
in
what
would
be
the
Lincoln
Elementary
School
District,
there's
a
little
bit
there.
You
can
see
where
it's
at
open
areas
that
are
out
there.
P
You
can
see
a
stand
pointer
when
we
were
doing
this.
Some
of
that
development
on
the
eastern
portion,
Eastwood's
wasn't
into
there
going
on
here's
McKinley
and
see
where
the
industrial
development
is
there
mahlet
and
Roosevelt
school
district,
and
then
lastly,
is
Lake.
Compare
Scott
you
can
see
on
lake
campus
gets
primarily
yellow
with
just
a
couple
of
blue
areas
and
and
then
the
green
is
really
takes
up
a
lot
of
the
area.
P
And
this
is
just
going
to
be
flipping
through
them
as
far
as
where
they're
at
identify,
where
there
are
parks
where
there
are
civic
areas
as
well
as
things
like
City
Hall,
Fire
Department
are
identified
differently
and
so
on
through
there,
and
you
can
just
see
where
some
of
those
are
you
can
see.
The
green
space
is
a
retention.
Air
are
identified
in
brown.
P
You've
got
the
airport,
as
shown
in
in
that
pink
in
there
purple
is
the
schools,
the
public
schools
that
is
and
and
so
on
through
there
you
can
see
I've
put
some
of
these
together
on
this
one.
This
is
Lincoln
and
then
McKinley
and
Mallette
are
on
this
first
slide.
On
the
second
slide,
it's
got:
Jefferson
Lake,
Camp,
Eska
and
Roosevelt
school
district.
Just
to
show
you
basically
on
here
we
got
a
lot
of
public
stuff
going
on
in
these
areas.
That's
really
all
you're,
not
gonna,
you're,
not
gonna,
know
the
answer.
P
Just
by
looking
at
these
slides,
it's
in
the
plan,
residential
land
use
type.
Is
the
next
map
that
you
see
in
each
of
these
areas.
The
areas
in
yellow
are
single-family
residences.
The
areas
in
orange
or
multiple
multi-family,
that's
anything
too
dwellings
and
up
like
a
duplex
and
up
and
a
the
brown
is
manufactured
homes.
So,
just
in
going
through
here,
your
three
into
here
right
now,
Jefferson
top-left
Lincoln
has
the
top
right
and
then
McKinley
is
the
bottom
right.
P
Next
slide:
milette
Roosevelt
and
Lake
Camp
Eska
really
I
left.
The
scale
is
white,
as
it
is
because
there's
very
little
multifamily
or
manufactured
homes
on
Lincoln
Pesce.
As
you
look
at
that
again,
that's
within
the
plan
and
then
one
more
that
I've
got.
Is
these
smaller
maps
that
jump
out
a
little
bit
more,
the
population
density
maps,
the
density
it
may
not.
P
There
is
method
to
the
madness
on
the
legends
and
the
colors
that
you
see
on
here.
That's
cartography
101
that
I
taught
many
years
ago
at
SDSU.
But
basically,
as
you
look
on
here,
yellow
yellow
would
be
the
development
that
would
be
if
you
take,
if
you
assume
that
you're
gonna
be
9,000
square
feet
for
a
residential
lot,
what
our
ordinance
would?
P
Oh,
no,
what
our
our
one
district
says
you
take
out
25%
for
roads,
and
then
you
figure
two
and
a
half
people
or
two
point
four
per
household,
so
anything
in
yellow
would
indicate
that
they're
following
about
what
are,
what
are
our
one
district
would
say:
Green
is
gonna,
be
less
they've
got
more
space.
Anything
that's
orange
to
red
is
they've
got
less
space
per
person.
Okay,
if
you
figure
our
average
household
size
a
so
as
you
go
through
these
maps,
you
look
at
them.
P
And
then,
as
you
look
at
this
for
those
of
you
that
know
your
flood
plain
Maps
really
well,
you
can
tell
that
your
flood
plain
map
covers
an
awful
lot
of
the
map
on
your
left,
your
Roosevelt
School
District
as
well.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
things
residential
lot
area,
I'm,
really
not
going
to
dive
into
a
week.
You
can
certainly
dive
into
this
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
about
it,
but
this
is
that
this
was
a
really
telling
breakdown.
P
P
Those
are
those
are
platted
are
nothing
to
worry
too
much
about,
whereas
if
you
get
down
lower
and
the
red
right
in
the
center
there
by
Park
Street
those
are
actually
zone,
they
might
be
our
2a
now,
but
before
they
were
soand
our
one,
not
too
many
years
ago,
so
gives
you
an
idea.
You
roll
through
there's
Jefferson,
here's
Lincoln!
You
can
see
initially
when
I
went
through.
P
This
I
was
planning
on
having
seven
school
district
areas
and
then
one
and
then
one
for
the
lake
and
the
seven
would
have
been
old,
Garfield
and
old
grant,
but
it
was
redundant
to
do
that
because
it
just
shows
up
abundantly
clear
where
Grant
and
Garfield
school
are
especially
in
the
late
in
the
Lincoln
area.
You
can
see
where
grant
school
used
to
come
in
in
this
stretch,
crossing
81
here
in
between
8th
Street
and
heading
West,
so
that
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
there
as
to
where
some
of
that
came
across
McKinley.
P
You
can
see
where
you've
got
your
smaller
Lots,
actually
pretty
good
compliance
there,
let's
go
tamil
school
district
and
to
Roosevelt
school
district.
So
you
can
see
that
really
the
line
on
a
lot
of
this
sand.
Roosevelt
areas
is
11th
Street.
It's
actually
not
11th
its
10th
Street
I
had
kind
of
before
I
started
this
expected,
probably
more
81,
but
it
wasn't.
It
crossed
all
the
way
over
to
10th.
So
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
lot
sizes.
P
A
Other
aspect
that
causes
causes
a
lot
of
that
issue
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
later
during
their
to
a
discussion.
But
it's
the
shape
of
the
Lots
as
much
as
it
is
the
the
square
footage
of
the
Lots,
especially
when
you're
talking
setback.
So
you
can
see
there
there's
a
long,
narrow
Lots
compared
to
the
much
more
square
size
Lots
in
the
newer
r1
districts
and
what.
P
You
run
into
on
these.
Is
you
look
at
them?
I
hate
to
say
it
I
mean
they
look
at
the
red
areas
on
here
and
if
we
go
back
up
to
this
one
to
notice
they're
all
in
about
the
worst
spots
that
could
be
there
all
on
corner
Lots,
it's
mostly
all
carriage
houses,
I
mean
you
see
a
lot
of
these
that
were
split.
There
were
areas
that
used
to
be
turned
into
what
was
a
carriage
house
that
was
that
was
split
off
into
these
things
and
so
split
off
hey.
P
This
is
a
nice
garage,
so
we
split
that
into
a
two
Lots.
Instead
of
one
and
now
great,
we
got
two
front
yards.
We
got
to
deal
with,
you
know,
so
it's
things
like
that
that
you're
dealing
with
and
those
are
the
things.
The
whole
point
here
is
we're
doing
this,
there's
a
stretched
out
version
of
campus
kheh.
The
whole
point
here
is
that
we
can
start
to
put.
We
know
at
our
town
what
we
know
what
our
demographics
are.
We
start
to
know
what
our
lot
sizes
are.
P
Okay,
now
we
can
see
what
the
problems
are
when
this
whole
thing
gets
done.
That's
the
whole
point,
the
unique
things
that
we've
got
here.
Well,
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
address
within
our
land.
You
with
on
our
internal
look
in
our
redevelopment
areas
with
those
sorts
of
things.
The
main
thing
I
want
to
point
out
here
is
that
this
is
la
tarea,
not
necessarily
platted
la
tarea.
The
thing
one
thing
I
noticed
as
I
looked
at
Lake,
Camp
Eska,
and
this
is
stretched
out.
P
N
P
Was
individual
Lots
and
it
was
50
foot
wide,
Lots
and
to
a
degree
we
do
still
have
them,
but
we
actually
have
more
compliance
than
we
would
have
expected
and
I'm
just
gonna
flip
through
here
on
occupancy
status,
you
can
see
owner
occupied
as
yellow
the
pink
is,
is
tenant
or
rented
would
I
say
blue
is
owner
occupied?
What
did
I
say?
P
P
Here's
your
Roosevelt
School
District
show
a
lot
of
tenancy,
but
again
don't
forget.
A
lot
of
this
is
a
lot
of
this
is
floodplain
as
well.
So,
as
we've
got
floodplain
into
there,
it
does
look
like
a
little
bit
of
making
the
most
out
of
what's
on
there
to
Lake
Camp
Eska
was
an
interesting
thing
to
look
at
I
was
interested
to
see
how
that's
changed
from
when
we
annexed
this
to
now,
honestly,
that
owner-occupied
versus
tenant
is
very
similar.
P
It
is
arcing
more
toward
owner-occupied,
but
not
as
much
as
I
had
anticipated
as
we
looked
at
it.
So
in
the
end,
we
had
two
unique
land
use
issues
into
there
that
that
we
found
within
their
Jefferson.
There
really
wasn't
a
ton
that
was
different.
It
was
actually
complying
with
because
it's
relatively
new
complying
with
a
lot
of
what
we've
got
in
our
ordinances
Lincoln
school
district.
We
see
a
lot
of
campuses
and
we
see
a
couple
of
kin
and
small
lots.
We
forget
about
the
fact
that
technically,
a
dormitory
is
not
allowed
by
ordinance.
P
Yet
we
have
several
dormitories
in
town
how'd
that
happen,
and
so
the
point
is
we
have
to
account
for
campuses
in
to
their
be
it
future.
Expansion
of
Lake,
Erie
tech,
as
well
as
as
well
as
our
Christian
school
McKinley.
We've
got
the
airport
to
work
with,
which
is
also
some
sort
of
a
campus
as
well
as
small
Lots
milette.
We've
got
the
hospital
which
it's
got
its
own
campus,
as
well
as
many
small
lots,
topography
to
deal
with,
and
conversion
of
single
family
units
you
can
read
on
here.
P
Roosevelt's
got
the
flood
plain
small
lots
mix
of
residential
types
transition
between
residential
and
non-residential.
There
are
many
different
commercial
districts
that
go
across
that
resident
that
Roosevelt
areas
so
trying
to
transition
back
is
kind
of
difficult
as
well,
and
then.
Lastly,
in
campus,
we've
got
accessory
uses
without
primary
structures
becomes
a
question.
It
was
one
that
was
brought
up
for
quite
a
while.
P
We
spent
several
meetings
talking
about
that
several
years
ago,
and
I
first
started
talking
about
this
non-conforming
structures
as
far
as
where
they're
located
and
we've
got
several
commercial
uses
and
areas
are
identified
as
egg
or
eggs
owned,
and
then
the
utility
capacity
that
we
run
into.
So
those
are
just
a
few
of
the
bullet
points
into
there
into
that
portion
and
then
the
last
part
was
some
of
the
commercial
properties
and
I'm
not
going
to
dive
into
it
too
much.
But
within
that
there's
also
information
review.
That
was
more.
P
It
was
more
of
a
delve
into
form
based
zoning
in
questions
as
what
it
amounted
to
we
reviewed
reviewed,
the
general
area,
general
development
pattern,
existing
transportation
network,
pedestrian
oriented
transportation,
parking
area
and
landscaping
signs
and
building
materials.
Again,
a
review
of
form
everyone
from
Watertown
and,
frankly,
people
that
just
drive
through
know
that
northern
the
northern
portion
of
81
does
not
look
the
same
as
the
stretch
between
Broadway
and
10th
Street.
P
Yet
there
is
own
well
I
guess
maybe
they're
not
zoned,
but
maybe
Willow
Creek
Drive
is
on
the
same
as
that
stretch.
Yet
it
doesn't
look
the
same.
We've
done
things
to
make
that,
on
purpose
that
it
doesn't
look,
the
same
uptown
looks
different.
The
point
is
there
are
areas
there
is
own
the
same,
but
look
different.
Let's
identify,
let's
stare,
those
things
in
the
mirror
and
that's
what
happened
within
that
has
talked
about.
P
You
can
see
the
areas
that
were
split
and
some
of
those,
for
example,
the
area
on
highway
20
it
split
into
subcategories
as
well,
because
the
area
by
the
Old,
North
sale,
barn
is
not
the
same
as
the
area
down
by
two
12
and
20
same
thing.
The
area
by
the
old
Memorial
Hospital
is
not
the
same
as
the
area
by
14th
and
81.
I
stole
an
extra
seven
minutes
from
you,
I'm
happy
to
talk
more,
but
I
wanted
to
at
least
get
a
chance
to
get
through.
We
can
bounce
back
to
other
things.
P
Q
One
thing
I
think
the
Planning
Commission
should
weigh
in
on
I
noticed
to
use
the
term
uptown.
If
you
look
it
up
in
the
dictionary,
it
means
like
the
residential
area,
up
away
from
your
central
business
area
and
a
downtown
is
your
central
business,
district
and
I
know.
This
has
been
kind
of
a
debate
in
watertown.
M
Mayor
if
I
might
oh
sorry,
coincidentally
Brandi
Knight
has
had
this
discussion
prior
to
this
meeting
on
an
unrelated
note,
looking
at
our
zoning
ordinances
and
House
portions
of
them
may
or
may
not
reference
downtown,
and/or
uptown
and
our
discussion
is
more
based
on.
We
should
have
a
uniform
term,
no
matter
what
it
is.
It
should
be
uniform
and
consistent
throughout
the.
M
And
that's
where
my
discussion
of
brandy
led
is
is
along
the
lines
of
what
you
just
described,
where
I
think
the
uptown
was
kind
of
a
catch
phrase.
That
communities
have
used
to
kind
of
enlighten
the
hype
and
the
the
vigor
and
the
energy
in
a
downtown
area
to
try
to
not
necessarily
revive
it
but
keep
it
alive
and
just
give
it
a
different
perspective
from
other
communities.
Downtown's
and
I
think
that
that
catchphrase
over
the
years
is
kind
of
misconstrued.
What
the
technical
definitions
of
either
might
mean
from
a
planning
standpoint
with.
Q
R
Q
F
P
Briefly,
the
the
point
here
of
at
least
this
portion-
okay,
this
portion
here
looking
at
the
region's
here-
we've
never
marketed
central
81.
We've
never
marketed
SD
highway
20.
The
bottom
line
is
this
is
colloquialisms
as
it
really
all
it
is
it's
a
it's
a
it's
it's
in
quotes
for
a
reason.
That's
not
saying
we
don't
need
to
discuss
it
because
I.
Actually,
that
was
a
part
of
what
I
kind
of
wanted
people
to
talk
about.
P
I
had
initially
had
the
magic
mile
area
called
the
magic
mile
plus
one,
because
it's
an
extra
mile-
it's
not
the
magic
mile,
it's
actually
another
mile
off
of
it.
The
point
is:
is
that
yeah
fill
in
the
blank
on
what
those
are
I
just
I
wanted
to
at
least
defend
the
idea
as
far
as
where
the
eight
where
it
came
from,
but
the
idea
is,
is
that
these
are
these:
are
commercial
regions,
they're
sub
regions
within
your
town,
and
so
they
are
going
to
be
unique
and
different.
P
They're
going
to
have
their
tone,
nate
they're
gonna
have
their
name
up.
Town
may
need
to
be
called
downtown.
That's
that's
fine,
but
it's
it's!
It's
really
from
this
standpoint:
it's
more
of
a
coal
I'm,
just
what
you're
going
to
use
to
describe
that
area
that
we
do
that
and
how
you
differentiate
that
I'm
happy
to
change
any
of
these.
That's
that's!
Actually
a
goal,
but
growing.
G
Q
It's
more
than
that,
though,
I
mean
that
a
community's
downtown
is
a
phrase
used
universally
across
our
country.
Everybody
knows
what
it
means:
it's
the
central
business
district,
the
center
part
of
your
town,
and
we
don't
it's
I,
don't
know
why
people
think
that's
negative,
but
I
know.
Apparently
people
think
it.
Q
R
D
P
P
P
Is
so
what
this?
What
this
really
did
is
set
the
stage
for
here's
the
stuff
going
on
here.
The
next
next
phases
recommendations
as
far
as
how
to
address
the
stuff
going
on
redevelopment
within
these
areas.
The
challenges
that
we
face
in
those
areas,
the
redevelopment
areas,
the
area
inside
of
town,
a
lot
more
specific.
We
have
a
lot
more
specific
items
outside
of
town
there,
they're
specific
as
well
to
the
areas,
but
there's
also
some
generalities
into
there
too.
So
really,
the
next
phase
of
our
discussion
is
going
to
be
recommended
policies.
P
It's
going
to
be
future
land.
You
see
I
I
kind
of
tricked
you
by
saying
there's
only
so
many
pages
to
look
at,
but
there's
also
about
a
hundred
pages
of
maps
on
the
back
end
to
if
you
really
want
to
sort
through
them,
but
you
really
do
need
to
because
those
are
the
future
land
use
map.
So
we
went
through
day
to
day
to
day
with
the
Planning
Commission
back
several
years
ago
on
the
outside
part
of
town.
The
inside
part
of
town
also
definitely
take
a
look
at
so
obviously,.
D
The
whole
thing
do
you:
would
you
say
for
the
next
meeting
to
break
it
up
a
little
bit?
So
it's
not,
then.
So
we
have
time
to
review
how
these
develop
redevelopment
areas
are
already
structured
while
you're
going
forward
and
looking
at
what
the
future
land-use
should
be
to
maybe
break
it
up
to
page
136
to
160
for
this
I.
P
Would
say
I
would
say
that
it
would
be
logical
if
you
want
to
avoid
having
an
hour
and
15
minute
conversation
that
maybe
we
do.
Maybe
we
do
just
that.
We
do
the
read
of
first
and
then
we
do
the
future
development
outside.
Second
I've
got
no
problem
with
that.
If
the
board
is
okay,
see
in
my
face
an
extra
meeting.
A
O
K
K
R
Years
ago,
in
2004,
when
we
went
through
this
exercise
before
we
were
had
the
benefit
of
having
some
really
good
census
data
that
tracked
incomes,
so
we
were
able
to
compare
incomes
to
housing
types
and
it
kind
of
matched
up
what
we
all
thought
was
gonna
be,
but
we
don't
have
that
data
anymore.
They
don't
collect
that
with
the
census
anymore.
The.
P
Other
thing
I
should
point
out
is
that
going
back
to
two
weeks
ago,
we
reference
to
the
housing
study
was
conducted
in
town.
So
it's
not.
It's
not
I
think
that
housing
study
is
probably
four
years
old.
Now
as
well,
but
at
least
we
do
it.
There
is
four
year
old
data,
that's
pretty
detailed,
that
was
that
was
detailed
there,
but
from
a
standpoint
of
owner-occupied
versus
tenant
occupied.
That
actually
is
something
that
I
mean.
This
was
this
map
here
that
you
see
on
here.
P
As
far
as
here,
it's
one
of
my
favorite
Maps,
yet
it
was
actually
relatively
simple
to
make.
So
it's
something
that
could
be
looked
up.
If
you
need
to
I,
know
someone
you
could
call.
This
is
the
owner-occupied
versus
tenant.
It's
just
I
cut
out
the
areas
that
weren't
the
specific
school
districts.
So
we
could
look
at
one
at
a
time
when,
when
I
did
it
for
the
plan,
I
just.
L
R
P
We're
gonna
be
talking
about
it.
We're
gonna,
I,
don't
know
that
we'll
live
stream
it
but
I
think
we'll
probably
do
a
we'll,
probably
do
a
recording
that
we
can
do
and
probably
have
them
on
a
USB
or
something
like
that.
Do
it
that
way,
I
got
talked
to
the
rest
of
the
board,
but
I.
That's
kind
of
my
plan.
I
debated
about
the
idea
of
a
YouTube
channel
or
not,
and
I'd
rather
I'd,
rather
have
the
ability
to
wait
to
see
if
it
comes
out
or
not.
E
A
A
A
E
R
A
The
thing
that
we
need
to
talk
about
is
is
the
fact
that
in
the
art
to
a
district,
we've
got
these
long,
narrow
Lots,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
the
total
amount
of
buildable
area
that
are
on
those
Lots,
it
becomes
exceedingly
small.
So
the
the
visual
that
we've
got
here
is
an
example
of
the
r-1
lot.
So
this
is
any
lot
that's
new
in
the
town.
This
is
the
standard
that
we
expect
to
hold
it.
So
the
top
being
a
corner
lot,
the
bottom
being
an
interior
lot
and
you've
got
different
setbacks.
A
Looking
at
the
r-1
district,
this
is
this
is
an
example
of
a
minimum
lot
size
that
you
would
see
there
and
the
total
buildable
area
is
the
kind
of
the
green
part
in
the
middle.
The
dimensions
are
down
below
that,
so
it's
35%
of
the
total
lot
versus
a
nr-1,
a
lot
of
9,000
square
foot
below
that
has
a
buildable
area
of
39%.
R
A
A
A
I've
got
some
language
drafted
up
and
I
mean
we
could
look
at
it
in
in
either
way.
I
mean
I'm
I'm
personally,
of
the
opinion,
I'd
probably
be
more
flexible
and
go
down
to
you
know
like
a
15
foot
as
long
as
they're
accessing
you
know,
they're
accessing
a
garage
off
of
an
alleyway
or
or
something
versus
the
street.
A
A
A
So
there's
our
to
a
20
20,
so
this
would
be
what
it
would
look
like
if
you
had
a
20
foot
setback
for
both
the
primary
and
secondary
leaving
a
buildable
area
there
of
what
36%.
So
that's
roughly
in
line
with
what
we're
doing
on
the
r-1
lots.
Of
course
you
know
this
is
a
lot
smaller.
A
lot
too
so
the
buildable
area
percentage-wise,
is,
is
equivalent.
A
A
A
A
L
R
A
A
P
Places
and
seeing
around,
albeit
some
of
the
smaller
place
smaller
towns
but
I,
am
seeing
in
smaller
towns
where
they're
just
acknowledging
the
old
development.
A
lot
of
them
have
gone
to
some
bare
bones
on
what
you're
calling
secondary
fronts
as
far
as
setbacks
and
going
more
to
a
lot
coverage
which
I
anticipate
in
some
other
parts
of
town
as
well
is
it
is
the
primary
question,
aesthetics
keeping
things
in
line
or
are
we
more
worried
as
far
as
that,
larger
setback?
P
Just
so
that
we've
got
enough
clearance
for
vehicles
to
get
out
and
or
Park
in
front,
because
if
we're
talking
about
the
primary
the
direction
that
the
front
door
faces,
that's
not
always
the
same
way
that
the
garage
door
face
is
especially
in
a
corner
lot,
because
that's
what
we're
seeing.
So
if
we,
if
we
mean
we
want
the
garage
to
be
the
garage
doors
to
be
at
least
20
feet
away
from
the
right.
P
A
B
B
A
Because
I
mean
that's
that's
consistent
with
what
we
do
for
them:
a
setback
requirement
on
how
we
approach
the
garage
you
know
from
an
alley.
So
if
we
have
language,
that's
consistent,
you
know
from
approaching
it
from
the
street
side
and
have
different
square
foot
or
different
footage.
Setbacks.
I,
don't
think
it's
an
issue
and.
R
R
R
In
the
corner,
Lots,
if
you've
been,
if
you're,
truly
measuring
a
Clearview
triangle,
you'd
be
going
to
the
center
of
the
road
backing
it
up,
50
or
100
feet
whatever,
based
on
the
speed
running
that,
and
you
would
incorporate
some
of
that
public
area
into
that
Clearview
triangle,
because
then
you're
just
penalizing
the
landowner
this
you
know.
Well,
that's
on
the
corner,
a
lot!
That's
how
that's
generally,
how
you
would
measure
that
pick
a
predetermined
point
in
the
in
this
intersection
mark
off
a
space
that
you
feel
so
far
100
feet.
R
If
that's,
we
had
a
31,
mile-an-hour
I
think
it
probably
could
get
I
think
it
could
be
50
feet
or
60
feet
at
I
had
a
30
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit,
bring
it
back,
and
you
take
that
corner
you
own.
The
20
feet
would
easily
make
that
clear
view,
and
if
it's
especially
you
know
well,
you
can
even
do
something
even
less.
What
talk
about
controlled
intersections?
R
D
R
The
city
thought
about
long-range
and
if
you
think
about
budgeting
long
term
and
I'm
thinking
and
I,
have
urban
systems
money
I'm
going
to
be
sticking
money
into
a
project
and
I
can
start
reducing
thirty
eight
foot
wide
streets
down
to
28
or
32
foot
wide
streets,
and
it
just
have.
We
have
more
grass
space
and
we're
going
to
take
a
whole
six
or
eight
blocks
swath
at
a
time.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
consider
doing
that
because
in
the
end
it's
gonna
save
the
city
and
the
taxpayers?
R
B
Have
something
to
think
about?
We
have
to
think
about
pedestrians
too,
with
the
clear
view
triangle
you're
talking
only
about
the
street,
but
there's
also
the
sidewalk
situation,
where
the
kid
is
going
down
there
with
a
trike
and
we've
got
a
you
know,
somebody
backing
a
car
out
of
their
driveway
so
that
that's.
A
N
D
D
M
I've
found
that
at
the
municipal
level,
depending
on
the
type
of
road,
whether
you're
dealing
with
whether
it's
an
arterial
or
collector
they'll
utilize,
those
speed,
consideration,
sight
triangle
calculations,
but
when
you
get
more
into
the
residential
areas,
a
councilman
or
plaintiff
Commissioner
case
is
also
correct,
that
the
stop
controlled
conditions
come
into
play
where
they
have
guidance
on
that
and
how
that
sight
triangles
minimize
quite
a
bit
in
a
stop
control
situation,
but
I
have
typically
seen
municipalities
will
establish
like
understand.
We
have
I,
haven't
read
exactly
what
ours
is,
but
I
understand.
M
So
I
think
that
in
our
engineering
design,
standards
we're
looking
at
adopting,
we
would
definitely
spell
out
clearly
what
our
expectations
are
for
sight
triangles,
because
that
has
everything
to
do
with
the
design
of
a
roadway
geometrically
in
relation
to
you
know
the
development
of
those
design,
centers
there's
one
critical
component
of
it.
Maybe.
R
M
R
Should
do
is
take
an
example:
Blake
is
proposing,
go,
find
a
dozen
or
15
corner
Lots,
where
we
know
that
there
are
two
a
run,
the
clear
view
triangle
as
it's
being
interpreted
currently
by
ordinance
and
then
also
say
well
what,
if
we
went
this
way
an
alternate
for
hemming
bring
the
engineers
in
to
make
sure
that's
that's
kosher
with
a
clear
view
triangle
for
most
practical
purposes,
how
this
city
has
utilized
it
from
a
zoning
perspective,
not
from
an
engineering
perspective
in
the
road
and
those
types
of
it.
But.
R
A
setback
for
aesthetic
percent,
for
so
you
can
see
around
the
corner
from
practical
purposes
or
backing
out
of
a
driveway.
That's
how
we
has
how
we've
utilized
it,
and
so
if
a
car
is
travelling
in
25
miles
an
hour
and
an
ash
tow
says
that
we
should
be
looking
at
a
clear
view.
Measurement
from
at
least
this
point
from
the
center
of
an
intersection.
Take
a
look
at
that
and
then
just
run.
D
And
that's
only
the
20
foot
is
only
reference
to
the
sign
code,
so
I
mean
I
think
that
when
we
come
up
with
the
engineering
standards,
that
will
be
a
good
depiction
of
what
what
we'll
use
to
judge
that
when
it
comes
to
you
guys
for
well.
Actually,
if
we
adopt
it,
then
it
will
just
be
permitted
so
and.
R
Try
there's
a
pretty
good
lift
one,
just
the
archway
got
adopted
as
far
as
reducing
those
the
five
foot
side
yards
and
those
types
of
things,
just
probably
less
than
some
of
the
Board
of
Adjustment
actions,
because
those
are
all
variants
that
everybody
wouldn't
say
no
to
anyway
in
some
of
those
little
parts
of
town,
because
somebody
was
thinking
and
wanting
to
stick
a
few
thousand
bucks
into
a
property
to
add
a
deck
or
something
and
no
one
wanted
to
say.
No.
So
how
could
we
justify
it?
K
K
D
R
Bad
because
those
have
such
large
street
widths,
the
Clearview
triangle
is
a
non-issue
I,
really
think.
From
that
perspective
you
can
you
can
take
that
public
right-of-way
and
incorporate
that
into
your
design,
and
you
would
be
able
to
encroach
that
and
still
not
be
any
more
of
a
safety
hazard.
That's.
P
A
E
R
Whether
or
not
the
street
is
a
collector
or
a
local
street
I
think
is
what
he's
brought
up
would
be
also
an
important
thing
to
think
about.
We
wouldn't
want.
There
are
collector
streets,
4th
Avenue
south,
for
example.
That
would
has
a
lot
of
our
to
a
zoning
that
we
want.
We
wouldn't
want
to
be
encouraging
that
on
some
of
those
busier
streets
right.
R
D
R
A
Just
really
like
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
be
comfortable
about
we're,
giving
these
people
a
fair
right
to
develop
their
properties
and
it's
not
a
unrealistic
buildable
area
on
it.
And
then
we
can
be
justified
if
we
say
yes
or
no
on
a
variance
request.
But
as
it
stands
today,
many
of
the
ones
that
we've
continued
to
see
over
and
over
again
I.
D
Be
consistency
if
we
wanted
to
just
lessen
it
to
20
so,
and
that
gives
us
the
back.
Are
the
bearings
to
say
this.
The
reasoning
behind
this
is
for
a
vehicle
to
be
in
a
driveway
parked
in
the
driveway
without
encroaching
the
sidewalk
and
then,
if
it
still
came
as
a
variance,
then
that
those
are
things
that
you
guys
could
look
at
and
they
justify
why
I
would.
R
Rather
personally,
again,
I've
been
tile.
Talking
this
for
the
year
that
I've
been
on
the
board.
I
would
rather
have
design
standards
in
place
that
we
can
all
agree
on
that
meet
that
hit
the
ball
triple
95
percent
of
the
time.
It's
less
work
for
you.
It's
less
work
for
this
board,
it's
less
cumbersome
for
the
public
that
we're
trying
to
get
them
to
come
before
us
and
and
not
have
to
grovel
to
use
their
property.
R
That
makes
general
sense,
and
so,
if
we
can
agree-
and
if
we
can
show
that
15
feet
without
the
garage
is
the
is,
is
the
use
if
we
make
it
20
and
they
come
in
and
ask
for
15
and
we
start
granting.
It
will
not
be
back
at
the
15
foot
again
we
just
lock
it
in,
and
we
say
this
is
the
situation
and
that
way:
you're
not
having
to
process
paper.
We're
not
gonna,
have
to
process
paper
and
to
me
I
think
I
would
rather
try
to
fit
it.
R
A
D
R
K
Be
something
that
if
it
is
a
deck
that
is,
you
know
that
at
least
you
can
see
through
it's
not
a
solid
wall
that
might
be
just
a
no-brainer.
Also,
that
you
know
a
deck
would
be
something
that
would
be
that
could
fit
into
that
setback
area.
Even
if
we
left
the
setback
at
20
that
a
deck
is
absolutely.
You
know
permissible,
because
that's
right,
so
just
food
for
thought
on
that
one
to
that,
maybe
the
decks
would
be,
would
eliminate
a
lot
of
the
paperwork.
D
R
A
D
What
we've
seen
on
or
what
we
were
approached
with
on
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
for
downtown
and
kind
of
what
we'd
like
to
see
for
aesthetics
and
requirements
that
maybe
we
want
to
implement,
to
hold
on
to
the
historic
nature
of
downtown
and
preserve
it
and
then,
as
well
as
have
guidelines
for
rehab
projects
and
whatnot.
So
this
would
basically
be
similar
to
what
the
Gateway
overlay
district
is
and
it
would
encompass
the
area
of
downtown,
which
is
within
the.
What
is
that
committee
urban
renewal
board?
C
There
was
some
comments
after
the
conditional
use
permits
were
granted
to
downtown
development
projects
that
we're
talked
about
aesthetics
at
Southside,
assume
that's
what
this
is
a
regarding,
I'm
conflicted
personally
I'd
like
to
see
you
know,
I'd
like
to
see
gorgeous
brick,
buildings
gone
up
or
nice
facades
and
stuff,
like
that.
The
flipside
is
that
I
believe
in
incremental
growth
and
and
slow
progression
and
I.
Think
it's
difficult
for
folks
to
just
build
those
giant
buildings
and
build
the
facades
initially
and
I
think
there's
part
part
of
its
a
critical
mass.
C
We
want
some
sort
of
development
I
don't
want
to
hamstring
development
or
redevelopment
in
the
downtown
area.
So
I,
don't
my
only
comments
on
the
on
the
issue.
I
think
that
we
can
do
it
within
reason.
We
can
do
it.
We
can
promote
aesthetics
within
reason,
but
I
don't
want
it
to
be
such
a
high
bar
that
it
extinguishes
the
development
redevelopment
I.
A
Think
you
know,
one
aspect
is
on
so
the
new
construction
going
up,
and
that
was
an
example.
You
know
that
we
talked
about
recently.
The
other
aspect
is
in
preservation
of.
What's
already
there,
you
know
so,
and
maybe
there's
a
differentiation
between
new
development
and
preservation
of
existing
developments.
I
would.
R
N
R
That's
your
phillips
Avenue
and
what
would
they
allow
and
what
they
don't
allow
and
start
with
that,
and
then
we
can
always
dial
it
back,
but
I
think
downtown
uptown.
If
you're
trying
to
encourage
you
know
something
you
know
to
happen
down
there
again.
I
agree:
you
have
to
give
people
some
opportunities,
so
some
flexibility,
some
staging
or
timing,
but
I
know
several
years
ago
when
they
built
the
transportation
facility
over
here
that
the
city
put
together
and
that
building
went
up.
R
There
was
a
lot
of
consternation
at
the
council
level
and
from
the
public
of
putting
that
and
the
Gateway
of
the
north
side
of
the
downtown
and
and
and
I
think
I
brought
up
the
questions
with
the
last
applicant.
You
know,
I
was
thinking
you
had
some
development
there.
You
got
potential
redevelopment
there
at
that
corner
and
I
was
just
concerned
that
we
were
setting
a
precedent
for
what
was
going
to
happen
long
term.
R
The
thing
is,
maybe
what
it
is
is
you
have
different
design
standards
based
upon
the
historical
aspect
of
the
building
or
maybe
certain
blocks
within
that
area?
You
know
where
you
would
maybe
allow
10
buildings
in
some
parts
of
the
uptown
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
appropriate,
but
I
think
you
know
if
you
were
going
to
take
from
the
Woolworth
Building
to
the
Gauss.
Would
you
want
a
redevelopment
where
I
I'm
going
to
put
10
on
the
outside
of
the
building?
There's.
K
Where
my
issue
starts
is
10
on
up
downtown
buildings,
I
would
have
rather
saw
any
type
of
the
drive
it
stucco
rather
than
tin,
on
a
building
in
that
area.
I
think
even
the
vertical
siding
would
have
been
better
than
pole,
barn,
10.
Sorry,
that's
just
it.
That's
just
not
the
place
for
it.
You
think
of
looking
at
those
buildings
at
an
industrial
or
a
commercial
I
mean,
oh,
you
know
a
manufacturer
not
in
our
downtown
area,
and
that
was
my
issue
with
the
the
gym
being
built.
I
have
no
problem,
I
think
it
was.
K
C
A
M
Think,
generally,
what
we'll
find
and
branding
I'll
be
happy
to
look
into
that
in
other
communities,
but
think,
generally,
what
we'll
find
is
in
these
central
business
districts?
We
will
see
a
lot
of
communities
that
have
put
measures
in
place
to
prevent
the
tin,
siding,
for
example,
type
of
construction,
and
some
of
them
may
I
believe
have
focused
on
certain
gateway,
main
streets
and
maybe
not
the
entire
downtown
district
per
se,
or
in
our
case,
this
entire
c1
district.
That
kind
of
coincidentally
outlines
our
downtown
area
so
anyway,
we'll
we'll
definitely
look
into
those
I.