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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 09 03 2019
Description
Agenda Items include the Urban Renewal Assessment Roll (Resolution No. 19-40) as well as approval of an Airport Ground Lease. Additional items include the second reading of Ordinance No. 19-11 and first reading of Ordinance No. 19-12.
B
You
may
not
recognize
me
without
a
piano,
but
I
made.
Let's
pray,
gracious,
Heavenly
Father.
We
have
so
very
much
to
be
thankful
for
in
our
country,
in
our
state,
our
community,
our
homes
I
asked
your
special
blessing
on
those
in
this
room
who
gave
of
their
time
and
many
talents
to
benefit
us
guide.
Their
decision-making
be
present
here
now.
I
pray
in
Jesus
name.
A
D
A
E
F
F
A
D
A
F
D
C
Thank
You
mayor
and
council,
as
we
came
out
of
the
budget
process,
there's
still
a
few
things
that
I
know
the
city
is
looking
to
do.
We
talked
about
bonding
for
the
1.8
million
that
was
tied
to
the
lofts
and
then
there's
also
some
other
things
down
the
road.
So
with
that,
sometimes
it's
kind
of
the
debt
comes
on
at
one
time
and
it's
what
can
we?
C
What
do
we
want
right
now
and
it's
hard
sometimes
to
look
into
the
future
so
Pete
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
what
this
is
going
to
do
is
this
is
our
current
debt
that
the
city
has
and
it's
compared
to
our
second
penny
sales
tax
revenue.
It
is
only
the
second
penny
sales
tax.
It
isn't
anything
else
that
comes
into
the
cap,
Improvement
Fund.
C
We
do
get
some
intergovernmental
revenue,
so
this
is
truly
just
the
second
penny
sales
tax
with
our
current
debt,
as
you
can
see
we're
sitting,
you
know
in
the
next
about
five
years
right
around
that
thirty
five
forty
percent
is
dedicated
to
debt.
When
we're
looking
at
that
revenue
in
the
years
past,
we
have
been
more
around
the
twenty
percent,
so
with
our
last
thirty
million
that
we
bonded
that
definitely
increased
it.
C
C
G
C
That
is
everything,
so
that
is
the
30
million.
That
is
our
other.
We
have
a
couple
other
sales
tax
revenue
bonds,
so
anything
that
our
capital
improvement
fund
is
required
to
pay,
because
when
you
bond
you're
bonding
against
that
as
your
revenue,
this
is
that
debt
there's
also
a
couple
srf
loans
that
are
tied
in
there
and
also
the
sales
tax
revenue,
bonds.
I.
G
G
C
F
I'm
sorry
for
the
interruption
and
maybe
you're
going
to
get
to
this,
but
can
you
explain
to
those
of
us
watching
this
right
now,
including
those
up
here
at
the
diets?
This
is
purely
the
debt
that
we're
obligated
to
pay
out
of
a
second
pity
sales
tax
give
us
a
real,
quick
primer
as
to
what
else
that
second
penny
is
used
for.
Okay,
maybe
you're
gonna
get
to
that
eventually,
so
yeah.
C
Maybe
I
got
ahead
of
myself.
This
is
truly
the
capital
improvement
fund.
That
is
our
second
penny.
The
capital
improvement
fund
is
set
up
for
exactly
that.
It
is
our
main
capital
that
we
do
for
the
city.
It
is
our
street
improvements.
It
is
our
buildings.
We
use
this
money
when
we
did
the
police
department,
we
did
our
remodel
of
the
fire
station.
C
Right
and
anytime
we
take
on
the
debt
we
have
to
back
it
with
this
revenue.
They're
gonna,
look
at
our
sales
tax
revenue
and
say:
can
we
take
it
on
now?
As
far
as
your
debt
capacity
in
the
city,
we
have
plenty
of
room
to
go.
It's
set
up
based
off
of
your
actually
assessed
value
of
property
throughout
the
city,
so
I
think
last
time,
I
looked
I
think
we
were
around
80
million
you
could
take
on
now.
C
You
can
see
what
adding
10
million
will
do
to
our
level
of
money
that
we
have
each
year,
and
that's
really
the
true
question
that
the
city
has
to
look
at
and
that's
kind
of
what
this
does
is.
It
shows
if
we
take
on
more
debt,
how
much
more
each
year
you're
setting
aside
for
debt
and
not
allowing
the
city
to
do
the
road
improvements
to
purchase
the
ambulances
and
the
fire
trucks.
C
So,
like
I
said,
if
we
add
the
10
million,
basically
just
the
second
penny
sales
tax
revenue,
you're
eating
up
close
to
50%
of
that
is
going
to
be
dedicated
solely
to
your
debt
service.
The
next
one
is
the
15
million.
It
doesn't
look
like
it's
quite
a
jump,
but
it
does
go
then
up
towards
the
over
the
50
percent
would
be
dedicated
towards
debt.
C
Then,
if
we
added
the
15
million
you're,
over
1
million
is
added
each
year
to
pay
back
debt.
So
that's
the
the
question
really
that
the
council's
going
to
have
to
ask
as
we
come
into
this,
we
will
be
talking
about
our
long-term
capital
plan
here,
probably
at
the
beginning
of
October
I
know,
we
mentioned
that
we
have
some
other
facilities
that
we
need
to
determine
how
we're
going
to
build
those
if
we're
going
to
build
them
when
we're
going
to
build
them.
C
C
C
The
city
would
really
have
to
be
willing
to
probably
either
think
of
alternative
revenue
sources
or
to
know
that
some
of
the
next
five
years
will
be
a
little
bit
tight
in
regards
to
the
street
improvements
and
your
current
current
options.
There's
also
the
city,
does
an
excellent
job
of
setting
aside
money
through
our
capital
outlay
process
and
that's
been
how
we
have
funded
stuff
buildings
like
the
police
department
and
the
fire,
because
we
have
set
those
dollars
aside.
Now
we
can
lower
what
we
set
aside,
but
I
do
think.
C
C
The
15
million
puts
us
a
little.
That's
a
little
high.
The
50
percent
would
be
a
little
bit
high
in
my
opinion,
but
with
the
potential
of
looking
at
other
revenue
sources,
it's
not
out
of
line,
but
we
just
have
to
know
that
then
each
year
for
the
next
five
years,
probably
when
we're
doing
our
current
budget
will
have
to
probably
make
some
hard
decisions,
so
questions
councilman.
C
H
C
I
C
Enterprise
funds
are
set
up
so
that
their
fees,
your
hope,
is
that
their
fees
cover
any
of
their
operating
as
well
as
their
future
capital
that
they
would
need
now
when
they
take
on
debt,
because
we
do
we've
taken
on
some
srf
loans
through
the
enterprise
funds
as
well.
They
also
have
a
ratio
of
their
debt
to
their
revenue
that
they
need
to
establish
so
anytime
that
they
do
take
on
any
more
debt.
C
Then
their
fees
are
also
assessed
to
make
sure
that
they
can,
but
those
projects
that
would
be
in
the
Stewart
and
the
landfill.
Those
aren't
in
the
Capital
Improvement
Fund.
The
only
department
that
really
sees
any
type
of
transfer
from
the
Capital
Improvement
Fund
for
capital
projects
is
the
air
port
fund
a
lot
of
times.
When
you
see
we
do
our
big
projects
and
we
get
those
grants.
The
airport
can't
quite
sustain
that
5%
that
we
had
a
lot
of
times
have
to
pay.
C
J
C
If
we
wanted
to
go
back,
I
can
just
I'll
just
kind
of
run
through
them
real
quick
in
2010
we
were
about
21
percent
2011
22
2012.
We
were
20%
2013,
we
had
dropped
down
to
16,
2014
and
2015.
We
were
at
15%
of
debt
to
revenue.
So
and
of
course,
when
we
did,
our
30
million
is
when
we
then
first
saw
her
jump
16.
G
Roby
I,
just
I
think
it's
important
to
contrast
that
that's
that's
building
the
building,
but
the
other
side
of
the
coin
is
operating
the
building
or
the
project
whatever
it
might
be,
and
that's
all
out
of
the
first
penny
and
we've
got
a
pretty
tight,
go
with
the
first
penny
in
this
last
budget
process.
So
this
is
building
the
building.
The
first
penny
is
operating
the
building.
That's.
C
Is
a
it's
a
very
good
point
to
make
done.
Capital
Improvement
Fund
is
the
one
responsible
for
building
and
the
general
fund
is
the
one
responsible
for
maintaining
so
and
that's
a
lot
of
times
to
where?
Not
only
do
you
have
to
consider
the
debt
you're
taking
on,
but
the
operational
anytime,
you
add
a
new
facility,
bigger
facility,
a
change
in
that
you've
got
more
maintenance,
more
insurance,
more
operational,
whether
it
be
personnel.
So
those
are
all
the
things
that
we
have
to
consider.
That's.
A
A
good
point:
we
are
heavily
reliant
on
sales
tax
revenue
for
a
lot
of
what
we
do
and
the
operation
of
our
city
is
that
that's
the
biggest
source
of
money
that
pays
for
all
of
the
non
revenue
generating
departments.
So
it's
important
always
to
consider
with
new
construction.
What
the
load
is
it's
going
to
be
put
on
the
operating
or
the
first
penny
sales
tax
fund,
because
that's
the
one
that's
hurting
like
you
said.
A
C
I
did
one
I'm
point
out.
One
more
thing,
part
of
the
reason
why
I
was
at
I
was
asked
to
do
this,
but
I
also
think
it
is
very
important
is
sometimes
when
we're
up
here
we're
making
decisions
about
facilities.
It's
really
easy
to
see
the
close,
the
proximity
to
what
we
want
to
do,
but
this
too
shows
what
the
next
20
years
is
going
to
look
like,
and
this
is
the
next
20
years
without
doing
anything
else
on
top
of
it.
C
A
J
A
A
Not
too
many
okay,
well,
I
would
hope
to
wrap
this
up
in
a
half
hour
or
so,
but
I
want
everybody
to
have
a
chance
to
say
what
they
came
to
say
and
so
please
be
respectful
when
you
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
try
to
state
clearly
whether
you
are
in
favor
or
oppose
to
the
reinstitution
of
the
urban
renewal
tax
and
then
state
your
reasons,
but
try
not
to
be
too
repetitive.
Don't
repeat
what
you
say
and
also
you
don't
need
to
repeat
what
everyone
else
said
as
well.
A
K
K
K
They
we
are
for
making
them
one
hundred
percent
for
reinstating
the
urban
renewal
tax
to
be
the
beautify
rejuvenate
the
Uptown
area,
making
an
attractive
and
productive
for
everyone
to
enjoy
and
bring
new
business
to
the
Uptown
area.
It
is
vital
for
us,
as
a
community,
to
embrace
new
development
to
make
the
Uptown
thrive
and
our
businesses
succeed
without
change
and
new
development,
our
businesses
will
continue
to
lose
sales
to
online
shopping.
K
We
must
give
people
and
families
more
reasons
to
come
to
our
uptown.
The
possibility
of
the
city
park
will
be
such
an
added
improvement
and
will
bring
people
to
the
area
and
discover
how
much
the
business
uptown
the
businesses
uptown
have
to
offer.
We
feel
the
need
to
let
the
community
and
the
council
know
our
thoughts
on
the
urban
renewal
taxes
and
the
development
of
Uptown.
K
H
L
K
L
Silver
and
I
think
I
represent
a
lot
of
people
sitting
in
this
room
properties
that
have
a
hard
time
even
being
able
to
make
all
the
improvements
that
we
need
to
make
within
our
building
much
less
pay.
Another
tax
I
have
sat
here
before
and
asked
what
the
plan
is
again.
There's
no
plan
when
I
look
in
the
budget,
the
taxes
and
even
included
in
the
budget.
When
I
looked
on
the
agenda,
there
is
a
plan
that
you
have
listed
here
that
goes
back
to
1981.
L
We've
not
been
invited
to
take
part
in
seeing
that
what
the
plan
is
and
yet
we're
supposed
to
be
paying
money
into
it.
Nowhere
else
in
the
city
are
the
property
owners
asked
to
fork
out
money
to
make
improvements
within
the
within
an
area
or
a
district
part,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
why
we
should
be
told
that
we
need
to
pay
extra
taxes
for
these
without
telling
us
specifically
what
the
plan
is
going
to
be.
I
just
feel
that
I
know
it's.
L
You
know
it
varies
according
to
the
size
of
the
building,
how
much
taxes
it's
going
to
be.
There's
AI
goes
up
to
$1,500,
but
to
a
lot
of
the
property
owners
we
have.
We
have
probably
25
empty
buildings
still
and
I
know.
The
development
company
is
working
hard
in
trying
to
get
those
fills.
We
applaud
them
and
we
also
applaud
the
loft
coming
the
Uptown,
those
things
you
know
we're
not
opposed
to
work
on
those
things
we
know
it'll
be
a.
L
A
For
the
record,
the
plan
adopted
in
1981
still
stands
unless
it's
amended,
and
at
this
point
there
are
no
amendments
that
are
current,
and
so
we
fall
back
on
that
plan,
which
we
think
is
still
relevant.
But
the
council
could
always
change
the
plan
if
they
want
to
change
the
plan,
but
we
were
under
the
understanding
that
the
1981
plan
is
still
valid
and
there
is
a
water
project
district
which
collects
taxes
for
everyone
that
has
property
adjacent
to
Lake,
Camp
Asaka.
A
All
that
money
can
only
be
used
for
projects
that
benefit
Lake,
Camp
Eska,
which
is
a
very
similar
parallel
to
the
urban
renewal
district.
The
funds
collected
from
the
property
owners
in
the
urban
renewal
district
can
only
be
used
on
projects
which
would
benefit
their
urban
renewal
district
and
it
isn't
only
urban
renewal
district
funds
that
are
being
used.
In
fact,
no
urban
renewal
funds
are
being
used
for
any
of
the
urban
renewal.
A
M
Good
evening
Jeff
Kaiser
from
Clifford's,
you
know
I
really
do
agree
with
many
of
the
things
that
have
been
said
so
far.
I
agree
with
that
very
strongly.
You
know
I
live
day
to
day
work
an
hour
after
hour,
there's
costs
of
doing
business
that
are
just
rampant
and
out
of
control
and
there's
so
many
that
we
can't
do
anything
about.
You
know
this
year.
M
I
again
have
a
21
percent
property
tax
increase
in
one
hit,
that's
a
bunch
of
money
and
when
I
hear
the
urban
renewal
fee
at
$1,500,
which
would
apply
to
my
property,
$1500
doesn't
sound
like
much
but
$1500.
It
takes
a
whole
lot
of
work
and
a
whole
lot
of
sales
to
create
that
additional
money
very
difficult
to
keep
your
head
above
water
and
like
Kay,
had
to
say
if
there
was
a
great
plan
in
place
and
there
was
accountability
for
that
plan.
M
There
was
documentation
where
the
money
spent
and
a
plan
on
how
the
bang
for
the
buck
is
going
to
improve
the
Uptown.
It's
easy
to
take
the
money
and
put
in
the
bank,
but
we
got
to
have
a
plan.
We
got
to
have
a
structured
and
it's
got
to
be
accountable.
That's
my
opinion.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
D
I'm
Sol,
Burke
and
I
oppose
the
plan,
mainly
because
everybody
will
be
able
to
use
this,
whether
it's
a
waterpark,
the
streets,
the
alleys,
the
public
parking,
but
only
us
will
be
paying
the
majority
and
the
majority,
but
through
through
the
urban
renewal
tax
and
I've,
never
seen
a
program
where
the
government
can
spend
the
money
better
than
the
private
individual
and
their
own
property.
I've
got
a
wonderful
solution
to
this,
make
everybody
happy
those
that
are
for
it.
Let's
set
up
a
GoFundMe
account,
they
can
donate.
N
My
name
is
Nancy
turbek
Barry
I
own
the
property
at
the
corner
of
1st
Avenue,
South
and
Broadway.
If
this
assessment
were
to
be
used
for
an
individual
property
and
development
support
for
it,
I
would
not
in
any
way
be
supportive
of
it,
but
my
understanding
is
that
the
intent
is
to
use
it
for
downtown
wide
project
or
projects.
I
would
respectfully
disagree
with
Dennis
I
think
there's
some
things
that
that
people
have
to
do
joining
together.
No
one
of
us
will
build
a
park.
No
one
of
us
will
have
a
splash
facility.
N
We
can't
expect
things
to
change
but
refuse
to
change
ourselves,
and
so
certainly
I'm
I
trust
that
that
the
the
projects
would
be
for
a
downtown,
wide
or
community
wide
benefit,
and
the
amount
gathered
obviously
will
not
be
enough
to
do
on
its
own
without
substantial
citywide,
the
port,
but
but
I
think
we
should
all
buy
in
and
support
it
and
I
hope
you
will
support
it.
Thank
you.
O
O
That's
kind
of
one
of
the
questions:
I
have
I
mean
I'd
like
if
you
do
get
taxed
whatever
I
would
like
to
make
sure
the
money
and
improvements
all
go
to
local
businesses.
People
in
town,
like
the
flowers
for
instance,
I
heard,
were
bought
in
Minnesota
free
up
to
I,
don't
know
think
so.
Just
an
accusation,
I
heard
anyway.
I
would
just
like
to
make
sure
if
it
goes
through
with
it.
O
You
know
all
the
local
businesses
get
a
chance
to
get
their
things
and
go
in
there
and
then
I'd
say
like
everything's,
going
up
utilities
taxes
and
we
just
don't
want
to
pay
a
second
tax
and
it
does
its
kind
of
benefits.
Main
Street
more
than
you
know
that
the
two
end
streets
and
I
realize
you
mean
extra
money
to
to
do
the
projects,
but
I
just
feel
like
the
Main.
Street
gets
the
benefit
of
it
and
let's
see
what
else
I
have
here.
O
P
P
First,
we
prepared
in
detail
for
for
a
number
of
months
and
made
sure
that
all
sorts
of
materials
were
available
to
the
people
who
decided
to
attend.
Many
of
you
attended
and
one
of
the
consensus
opinions
of
that
shred
wise
that
we
needed
a
downtown
park.
That's
one
of
the
things
under
consideration,
I
understand
for
this
tax
and
that
group,
and
if
you
remember,
we
had
stuff
all
over
the
walls
and
it
was
on
every
groups
agenda
high
on
their
agenda.
P
Another
thing
was
a
band
show.
Another
thing
was
green
space,
picnic
area
or
whatever
all
sorts
of
things
that
would
draw
people
to
the
downtown,
and
those
are
things
that
improve
the
conditions
for
the
commercial
people
in
downtown
and
it
approves
the
opportunity
for
residential
development
in
downtown.
P
P
It
will
be
a
challenge
if
we
should
go
forward
with
that
city
park
to
find
that
sort
of
material.
We
looked
right
over
here
at
the
where
the
utilities
thing
is,
and
we
thought
boy
that's
going
to
be
a
great
place,
and
we
can
do
that
and
then
we
found
out
there
are
easements
against
that,
and
so
there
are
lots
of
challenges
to
try
to
try
to
make
a
city
park
a
reality,
but
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
possibly
could
be
done
with
this
money.
P
D
D
H
A
That
is
true.
Anyone
else
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
input
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
I.
Think
it's
interesting
to
note.
The
1981
plan
included
park-like
areas
and
we
wanted
it
in
1981.
We
said
we
wanted
it
when
we
did
the
H
2020
vision
team
process.
We
said
we
wanted
it
when
we
did
the
Charette
and
we
still
want
it
someday
we'll
get
that
Park.
A
Q
Q
As
you
heard,
Kristin
talk
about
also
it's
difficult
times
and
if
we're
going
to
move
forward,
I
think
we
as
a
city
move
forward
I,
don't
think
that
it's
downtown,
because
if,
in
fact,
that's
true
that
the
taxes
are
up
a
lot,
we
might
add
on
one
or
two
more
taxes
to
all
of
us
and
my
question
would
be
is:
is
it
really
makes
sense
to
go
three
taxes
on
people
or
does
that
make
sense
to
make
those
two
appropriate
and
then
focus
on
downtown?
And
if
it's
a
water
park,
I
think
that'd
be
great.
Q
R
Mantee
I
guess
we
all
have
a
different
way
of
looking
at
how
we
get
things
done.
You
know,
and
dan
has
a
way
and
I
have
a
way
and
I'm
sure
josh
has
a
way,
and
a
lot
of
you
mentioned
things
like
you
would
you
would
be
more
in
favor
if
you
knew
what
the
plan
was
and
I
see
things
here
too
about
community
investment
and
right
now.
R
If
you
look
at
that,
seventy
one
thousand
that
isn't
going
to
do
everything
we
want
to
do
without
additional
community
support
from
people
outside
of
the
area
who
are
paying
taxes
and
all
those
kinds
of
things,
and
so
I
believe
that
it
is
very
much
a
downtown
City
partnership,
because
that's
how
things
are
going
to
get
done.
We
we
have
already
made
some
significant
investments.
Downtown
I
can
tell
you
that
several
years
ago,
I
would
be
one
of
those
people
who
would
say
yeah
you're,
not
your
money's
worth
now.
I
can't
say
that
anymore.
R
R
Why
do
we
have
a
special
tax
for
the
lake
because
who
benefits
the
most
from
all
the
projects
from
the
lake
in
the
Lake
District,
it's
exclusively
spent
on
the
lake
district
right
I
mean
and
the
same
thing
goes
with.
Yes,
the
whole
community
benefits,
but
what
happens
is
if
downtown
is
a
very
attractive
place
that
people
are
drawn
into
through
the
buildings
and
the
parks
and
the
improvements
and
we've
got
people
putting
a
lot
of
money
into
buildings
and
things
like
that
because
they
see
that
trickle
effect
of
oh
wow.
R
R
That's
25
or
maybe
50
years
old
and
we're
still
gonna
be
looking
for
a
park
and
we're
still
gonna
be
looking
for
all
those
things
that
I
believe
we
can
come
together
and
do
this
and
I
don't
know
that
anybody
would
argue
with
me
that
we
couldn't
put
a
plan
that
directly
earmarks
this
money
to
something
that
you
could
see
tangible
benefits
from
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
I
guess!
That's!
R
That's
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
guess:
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
have
gone
on
downtown
and
we
just
need
to
keep
that
momentum
going.
We
need
to
plan
ahead
for
more
things
and
I,
and
please
understand
that
we
are
not
asking
you
to
support
the
entirety
of
the
improvements
downtown
it
whatsoever.
R
We
are
asking
you
to
be
partners
with
us,
have
skin
in
the
game
and
and
you're
already
business,
so
you're
gonna
benefit
from
more
people
coming
downtown,
more
people
walking
by
people
living
downtown,
the
more
people
that
live
downtown,
the
more
businesses
that
will
follow,
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
that
will
go
into
smaller
communities.
If
there's
a
threshold
of
people
who
live
there,
they
will
look
at
that
and
say:
yep
they're
downtown.
R
Has
this
many
people
living
there,
so
we're
gonna,
put
an
Apple
store
in
I'm,
not
kidding
it,
but
you
know
I'm
just
kidding
about
that.
But
but
there
are
groups,
that'll
say
if
there's
enough
foot
traffic,
if
there's
enough
people
downtown,
we
will
locate
there
and
I
think
we
need
to
get
ourselves
there.
We
owe
it
to
ourselves
to
not
take
a
look
at
a
plan
25
years
from
now
and
see
that
we
weren't
able
to
even
move
forward
on
it
right
now.
R
S
My
big
question
because
I
work
downtown
yes,
I,
don't
own
the
building,
but
I
do
work
down
there
and
it
does
affect
our
business
as
well,
but
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
I've
consistently
hers
in
Councilwoman
Mandy
touched
on.
This
is
just
the
accountability
and
transparency.
I
feel
most
of
the
folks
that
I
know
I
didn't
get
to
everyone,
but
I
did
try
to
talk
to
a
good
number
of
the
businesses.
S
A
lot
of
the
feeling
is
just
that
we
want
it
to
be
accountable,
so
we
know
where
those
dollars
are
going
and
that
touches
on,
like
Councilwoman
manty
said
as
well.
Just
if
we
were
to
bring
it
back
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
put
some
accountability
to
it
so
that
people
know
where
their
dollars
are
going.
S
No
one
likes
to
pay
a
tax
into
something
they
don't
actually
see
where
it
goes
so,
I,
don't
know
if
we're
saying
you
know,
if
we're
partnering
as
a
city
and
with
downtown
businesses,
do
we
look
at
a
direct
project,
choose
that
the
city
gets
behind
it,
and
then
we
put
those
dollars
to
it.
And
then
everyone
knows
exactly
where
that
money's
going,
so
that
they
can
feel
good
about
it
exactly
so
just
kind
of
echoing
that
other
things
to
consider
I
know
some
folks
are
wondering:
are
the
non
business
structures
downtown?
J
T
S
Have
we
looked
at
all
to
potentially
making
it
incremental
instead
of
just
turning
the
switch
back
on
a
hundred
percent,
or
maybe
that's
something
we
need
to
consider
just
because
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
getting
hit
with
the
full
amount
right
away.
That's
a
pretty
big
speed
bump
if
they
weren't
planning
for
it
and
if
that's
something
we
maybe
need
to
consider
but
again
just
kind
of
showing
that
teamwork
spirit
instead
of
telling
one
side
and
then
telling
another
side.
But
just
looking
at
some
of
that,
as
we
go
ahead
with
this
Thank.
F
A
F
C
F
Just
a
few
comments:
no
I
I
support
the
concept
completely
I'm
excited
about
what's
happening,
downtown
and
I
want
to
see
that
keep
moving
forward.
I,
don't
think
it's
unreasonable
to
be
asking
those
that
would
benefit
the
most
to
pony
up
some
dollars,
but
now
and
and
I
and
I
also
had
better
and
I
also
had
one
of
the
parties
that
spoke
tonight
said
that
they
look.
This
is
investment
versus
the
tax
and
I
agree
with
that
completely.
F
However,
I
have
some
reservations
on
this
one,
we're
working
with
a
for
almost
a
40
year
old
document,
I,
look
at
this
I'm
in
favor
of
it,
but
the
same
token
we're
working
with
something
that
was
put
together
almost
40
years
ago
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
if
it's
time
that
we
look
at
at
revamping
or
revisiting
that
a
lot
has
changed
in
that
time.
Maybe
a
lot
hasn't,
but
a
lot
has
changed.
I.
F
Look
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
consider
going
back
the
drawing
board
and
looking
at
this
also
we
didn't
we
charge
or
we've
charged
a
development
company
with
kind
of
taking
the
lead
relative
to
development.
Company
matters
is
that
a
fair
statement
it
is,
is
Chris
I,
don't
want
put
Chris
on
the
spot,
he's.
F
U
Shale
can
Watertown
availment
company.
That
is
correct,
so
we
have
established
a
downtown
advisory
board.
However,
with
the
summer
being
as
crazy
as
it
was,
we
did
not
meet
to
address
this
urban
renewal
tax.
Specifically,
however,
we
have
talked
about
the
downtown
park.
We
do
have
preliminary
plans
on
the
downtown
park.
We've
got
preliminary
engineer
estimates
by
now,
they're
not
bids,
but
it's
estimated
for
the
park
and
we've
also
been
doing
some
behind-the-scenes
work
to
get
access
to
the
land,
most
favorable
for
a
park
location.
U
So
while
that
has
been
happening,
I'll
point
out
to
that
with
the
preliminary
estimate
cost
for
the
park
and
everything
going
in
there
that
it's
safe
to
say
that
the
urban
renewal
tax
would
not
cover
that
whole
them
out.
However,
there's
been
discussions
about
some
naming
right
possibilities
to
go
along
with
their
bernoulli
x.
That
could
help
make
the
project
more
affordable
from
a
citywide
standpoint
and
not
rely
so
much
on
just
the
city
and
just
urban
renewal,
but
the
naming
rights
that
we've
been
talking
about
would
really
help
shorten
that
gap.
U
A
one
more
thing:
until
we
we
have
conducted
the
housing
study
and
separate
from
that
we
did
a
downtown
study
and
we
just
got
the
preliminary
results
back
last
week
and
there
are
a
lot
of
steps
in
there
which
we've
been
talking
about
over
the
past
year
since
we've
kind
of
raised
our
head
and
said
we'll
take
on
downtown
all
the
things
we've
been
doing
are
laid
out
in
third-party
study.
That
says
this
is
what
you
need
to
be
doing
and
just
doing
some
research
on
what
other
communities
are
doing
as
well.
F
Thank
you
Chris,
but
we,
but
we
as
a
council
have
not
have
not
seen
that
correct.
I
mean
III,
agree
with
you,
folks
that
feel
that
this
is
being
foisted
upon.
You
I
mean
I.
Don't
argue
that
that
sentiment
I'm
in
favor
the
concept
but
I'd
like
to
see
us
go
back,
get
you
know,
get
some
of
the
parties
that
are
working
on
this
get
you
know,
get
some
good
representation
and
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
different
plan.
F
Maybe
it's
gonna
look
similar
to
this,
but
I
I
just
feel
like
we're
being
a
little
bit
premature
in
this
jumping
into
it.
When
there
are
some
things
being
done
behind
the
scenes
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
aware
of-
and
you
know
get
get
broader
consensus
as
to
support
on
this
Alexa
I
I'm
excited
what's
happening.
Downtown
I
want
to
keep
it
seeing
moving
forward.
I
support
the
concept,
but
in
my
thinking,
I
think
it's
time
to
look
at
revising
a
40-year
old
document
and
seeing
what
would
serve
us
today.
Our.
U
Degree,
this
September
date
really
sneaks
up
on
people
with
their
with
the
tax
renewal,
every
September,
so
I'd
say
that's
a
fair
one
things
we
talked
about
was
possibly
doing
that
as
revamping
the
plan,
and
we
asked
in
our
meeting
how
much
time
we
have
to
bring
that
back.
So
I
would
not
disagree
with
what
you
said
well.
A
And
I
know
water
tone.
Development
company
is
still
the
same
number
of
employees
as
it
was
when
their
mission
was
solely
industrial
development
and
now
it's
much
much
broader
and
their
way,
they're
doing
a
lot
of
more
work
and
I.
Think
they're
pressed
and
you
know
you
could
probably
use
a
couple
more
people
on
yours,
your
staff
and
if
you
had
employees
dedicated
if
we
had
a
downtown
coordinator,
that
would
help
a
lot
and
Chris
and
I
have
talked
about
that.
A
Adding
a
staff
person
who
could
take
it
on
it's,
not
like
they're
short
of
things
to
be
doing
right
now.
The
plan
does
not
allow
for
utilizing
urban
renewal
funds
to
help
pay
for
a
downtown
coordinator,
but
it
could
be
modified
to
include
that
it
would
include
a
park.
We
would
not
have
to
modify
the
plan
to
spend
that
money
on
a
park
or
a
parking
lot
or
covered
seating
areas
walkways.
Those
are
all
in
the
plan
and
I.
A
Think
if
you
wanted,
a
different
plan
could
certainly
entertain
it.
But
if
you
wanted
to
spend
this
money
solely
on
a
park,
that's
in
the
plan,
so
you
don't
need
to
modify
the
plan
even
though
it's
40
years
old,
it's
still
valid.
Today
we
still
want
Park,
we
still
want
beautification
and
that
would
handle
it.
D
R
Comment:
I'm
gonna
just
go
through
a
couple
things:
real,
quick
indulge
me
I'm,
looking
on
this
side
at
the
41
year
old
or
40
year,
old
document
and
I
do
have
that
same
like
thanks,
but
we're
gonna
look
at
this
and
right
now,
I
have
in
front
of
me
the
implementation
and
our
plan
of
action.
If
you
want
to
call
that
that
came
out
of
the
Charette,
and
so
let's
just
take
the
area,
that's
not
changed
parking
having
you
know,
improved
facilities
if
needed.
R
R
So
if
we
continue
down
that
same
path
with
the
parking
and
those
types
of
things,
we're
going
to
continue
to
meet
number
two
on
our
plan,
public
areas,
locate
2
to
4
restroom
facilities,
we
have
those
we
could
add
another
one
I
think
we
at
least
need
one
or
two
more
sheltered
seating
areas,
Pete
beautify
with
a
park-like
setting.
Ok,
so
now
we're
going
to
look
at
develop
a
parking
strategy.
That's
right
in
the
newest
one
establish
a
redevelopment
plan.
Land
use
management
it
we
have
essentially
everything
laid
out
for
us
right
now.
R
That
is
indicated
in
this
plan
and
we're
doing
some
of
it
and
some
of
it
interesting.
Lease
has
been
on
our
what
you
want
to
call
it
wish
list
for
40
years
and
so
we're
more
in
a
position
than
we
ever
before
were
to
complete
this.
You
know
we
have
a
short
term
first
year
plans.
We've
got
downtown
a
lot.
You
know,
we've
got
long-range
plans
it.
It
would
not
be
hard.
R
Glenn
I
mean
I,
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying,
because
I
looked
at
the
date
on
that
too
and
went
holy
Kohli
but
I
looked
then
at
what
we've
done
to
date
and
I
can
go
right
down
this
list
and
talk
about
the
things
that
have
been
done
so
far
and
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
and
in
there
all
yeah.
We
could
add
some
bullet
points
here
and
we
could
add
some
fine-tuned.
We
could
you
know
those
things.
I,
guess
I'm,
saying
that
I
I
see
this
current
plan.
R
I
can't
call
it
current
the
40
year
old
plan
as
still
having
the
same
fundamentals,
the
same
thing
about
public
areas
about
parking
about.
You
know
the
walkways
and
walkability
and
all
of
those
things
are
in
this
that
were
also
done
from
five
years
ago.
So
that's
that's
the
way
I
looked
at
it
when
I
kind
of
looked
at
that
plan
and
went
40
years
and
then
I
got
out
the
most
current
data
I
had
and
found
that
we
were
on.
We
were
still
looking
at
the
same
basic
ideas.
R
A
You
made
me
think
of
something
Beth.
The
city
often
applies
for
grants
to
do
projects
and
when
the
city
has
skin
in
the
game,
we're
more
likely
to
get
the
ground,
for
instance,
for
our
new
bridge,
we
upped
our
contribution
toward
that
bridge
to
encourage
the
state
to
give
us
the
funding
to
replace
the
third
Avenue
bridge,
we're
putting
local
dollars
toward
that.
The
bike
trail
where
we
got
a
grant
to
do
the
bike
trail
we're
not
asking
the
state
to
give
us
a
hundred
percent
of
the
funds.
A
We've
got
skin
in
the
game
and
right
now
with
no
urban
renewal
funding
a
downtown
park
contends
with
all
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
in
our
entire
community,
and
we
have
lots
of
those
things
that
we
want
to
do
that.
We
can't
do
them
all
and
how
we
pick
and
choose
if,
if
there's
a
project
which
has
a
neighborhood
behind
it
with
money
out
of
their
own
pockets,
you
put
toward
that
project.
A
S
I
would
just
say
in
the
event
that
we
bring
it
back,
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
a
bad
idea
to
point
it
at
a
downtown
park
just
because
it
does
address
a
lot
of
things,
one
of
the
things
we're
lacking
in
society
today,
the
sense
of
community
and
the
downtown
really
lacks
that
kind
of
every
person's
face.
We
do
have
some
small
little
areas
where
you
can
sit
and
everything,
but
we
also
got
to
keep
into
mind
that
we
have
retirement
homes
down
there.
We
have
apartment
complexes.
We
have
a
new
one
coming
in.
S
S
That
being
the
case,
you
know
we
could
go
as
far
as
looking
at
the
businesses
that
contributed
putting
in
place
a
plaque
or
something
that
can
be
there,
so
that
you
know
that
50
years
from
now.
This
is
how
this
happened.
This
is
a
part
of
our
history.
It
was
established
by
people
that
banded
together
and
believed
in
something
and
continued
to
do
projects
like
that.
It
gives
a
safe
space
for
people
to
play
be
with
their
families.
S
I
know
that
it
used
to
be
that
the
downtown
some
people
were
a
little
little
nervous
about
going
down
there
after
dark,
we'll
make
it
a
little
more
family
or
did
you
know
it's
looking
at
stuff
like
that?
If
we
did
a
bandshell
with
it
great
that
gives
us
somewhere
to
do,
Thursday
Night
Live
city
band
could
play
there.
If
you
have
a
playground
great,
that
gives
kids
somewhere
to
go
during
the
summer
after
school
that
isn't
all
over
the
place.
S
But
it's
stuffs
like
this,
where
we
take
our
own
money
and
put
it
in
and
also
collaborate
with
the
businesses
that
want
it
as
well.
So
that
we
can
build
something
together,
that's
meaningful
and
lasting,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
that,
we
need
to
be
transparent
about
it.
We
need
to
say
we
need
to
basically
show
that
that
is
for
how
these
dollars
were
used.
S
You
know,
even
if
that's
pain
and
engineers
fee,
if
that's
getting
greenery
something
just
knowing
every
step
of
the
way,
so
that
it
is
a
true
partnership
versus
an
opaque
wall
where
your
money
just
disappears
into
you
know,
cyberspace
and
you
don't
know
where
it
went,
but
looking
at
it
I
think
that's
that's
something.
If
we
voted
on
it
tonight,
we
just
need
to
make
sure
it's
really
clear
and
on
the
old
plan.
Yes,
it
is
super
generic.
S
S
S
So
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
great
time
to
pounce
on
it,
because
I
don't
think
you're
gonna
see
momentum
like
this
downtown
again
for
quite
some
while
and
I
can
speak
from
working
in
a
business
downtown
that
most
of
our
people
that
actually
come
in
truthfully
aren't
local.
There
are
people
from
outside
of
town
that'll
come
down
to
our
downtown,
to
check
it
out
and
giving
it
more
meaning
more
worth.
Isn't
gonna
be
a
step
backwards?
It's
gonna
be
a
step
forward,
but
we
have
to
band
together
to
do
that.
Yeah.
G
Roby
I
think
my
kid
on
the
key
point.
This
moment
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
4
or
5
years
ago
we
voted
to
disband
this
tax
because
there
was
a
lack
of
direction.
So,
if
you
know
don't
tax,
if
you
don't
know
where
it's
gonna
go,
I
think
with
what's
going
on
downtown
and
I
like
the
fact
that
the
W
DC's
involvement
that
providing
some
leadership
on
that,
but
I
think
the
direction
elements
being
fixed
very
quickly.
That's
why
I
could
get
behind
it.
Q
Just
one
more
time
than
just
listening
to
what
I'm
hearing
about
all
of
us
that
are
really
interested
in
the
downtown
Steve
laner,
when
he
was
here
from
the
municipal
utilities.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago
said
that
for
$5
a
month
on
our
utilities
bill,
we
could
raise
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
five
dollars.
Q
On
the
other
hand,
750
thousand
for
the
city
to
use
for
projects
that
might
be
downtown,
it
might
be
I
mean
someday
we're
going
to
have
ice
arenas,
and
maybe
we're
going
to
need
some
extra
help
on
that
we're
talking
about
all
sorts
of
things,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
like
it.
We
would
be
far
better
to
bite
the
bullet
and
ask
to
put
a
ask
our
citizens,
of
which
2500
were
in
the
charettes
and
in
the
and
said
they
wanted
us
to
move
forward
and
we
are
but
we're
moving
forward
as
a
community.
Q
I
I
That
with
is
that
we
needed
some
sort
of
a
coordinator,
we
needed
an
administer
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
your
role
is,
because
to
me,
these
things
are,
in
my
opinion,
are
not
gonna
happen
unless
we've
got
somebody,
that's
leading
that
charge.
Somebody
that's
a
that's
in
charge
of
that
group,
because
for
a
long
time
it
was
just
the
members
of
the
board
and
frankly,
we
had
a
lot
of
them.
Infighting
and
things
just
didn't
get
done,
and.
I
U
Paid
for
I
mean
the
mayor
and
I
talked
offline.
Is
that
we
just
need
a
little
bit.
So
we
need
another
person
anyway,
but
we
don't
need
to
get
involved
in
all
that.
So
you
know
we
raised
our
hand.
Last
year
said
we'll
take
on
downtown.
Our
investors
gave
us.
You
know
we
raised
3.6
million
dollars
there
last
campaign
compared
to
based
on
that
plan,
because
we
did
get
a
lot
of
feedback
much
like
the
Charette
and
h2o
20.
That
people
want
that
part
of
the
mission
for
the
community
moving
forward
and.
I
I'll
just
say
a
little
history
to
the
person
that
we
had
the
last
time
we
had
and
a
coordinator
for
this
was
part-time
and,
of
course,
the
budget
was
established
by
the
board
and
that
person
would
report
on
the
budget
and
expenditures
what
we
needed
to
do
moving
forward,
but,
honestly,
folks,
I,
don't
I.
Think
we've
got
to
have
somebody
at
the
helm
that
attends
these
meetings.
That
leads
this
thing,
whether
it's
a
part-time
job
or
or
a
full-time
job.
I
can't
speak
to
that.
U
R
Yeah
I
wouldn't
mind
paying
the
extra
$5
to
but
I
like
Dan
said,
but
we've
already
got
all
of
those
things
going.
You
know
in
terms
of
taxes
and
fees
and
other
things
that
we
all
pay
and
anybody
else
could
make
an
argument
that
a
$5
or
$10
or
$15
I
did
some
math
on
some
of
the
you
know:
monthly
payments
there's
other
people
who
don't
live
in
the
downtown,
who,
even
you
know
five
dollars
a
month,
would
be
a
hardship
for,
but
don't
they
deserve
a
good
downtown
and
and
so
we're?
R
No,
no,
you
guys
are
no
all
right.
Let's
no!
Okay!
My
point
is
is
that
they
are
not
going
to
have
extra
foot
traffic
past
their
house.
That's
going
to
increase
the
value
of
their
it's
not
going
to
increase
their
income
whatsoever
by
having
people
walk
through
past
their
house,
but
for
those
of
you
who
have
retail
or
entertainment
or
some
of
those
other
kinds
of
establishments,
people
walking
by
people
living
downtown
people
doing
all
those
things
are
going
to
directly
benefit.
You
I,
don't
disagree
at
all
with
any
of
the
transparency.
R
R
You
know
so
I
I,
just
I'm,
seeing
this
as
a
way
to
continue
a
momentum
and
to
bring
two
groups
together
of
me,
the
city
it
overall,
you
know
and
the
downtown
provide
that
transparency
provide,
that
accountability,
have
leadership,
and
let's
get
this
done
so
that
we're
not
looking
at
a
40
40
year
old
pyramid
so
has
the
same
stuff
on
it
that
we
want
right
now,
but
yet
have
done.
Some
progress
on
it,
and
only
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
yeah.
I
Just
I
want
to
say
truly
I'm
a
proponent
of
developing
I
kind
of
lean
towards
more
at
Dan,
said.
I
think
this
should
be
a
community
effort,
one
of
the
things
that
bothers
me
a
little
bit
about
the
urban
renewal
taxes
there
are.
There
are
a
number
of
businesses
in
our
community
that
really
honestly
are
not
going
to
benefit
a
lot.
I
mean
there
will
be
some.
D
U
Statement
I
also
just
on
top
of
that
is
they
need
employees.
Everybody
needs
employees
in
downtown
development
is
a
workforce,
recruitment
tool,
the
people
we
bring
our
offices
downtown
everybody.
It
comes
to
tour
Watertown,
whether
it
be
a
business
looking
to
come
here
or
people
looking
to
move
here.
U
What
you're
trying
to
do
all
come
downtown
and
comment
on
just
what's
going
on
downtown
I
mean
look
at
what
the
Goss
and
the
lofts
and
everything
I
mean
all
that
progress
so
I,
have
you
not
disagreeing
with
the
wholesale,
but
if
you're
looking
for
employees,
look
at
what
the
Millennial
workforce
is
looking
for
and
they'll
point
you
to
downtown,
that
is
verbatim
in
the
study.
It's
draft
form
you
guys
are
good
copy
that,
but
that
is
definitely
in
there
as
downtown
is
a
workforce
recruitment
tool.
Yeah.
V
V
I
think
it
should
be
a
community-wide
buy-in
and
I
think
it
should
be
for
a
specific
project
listed
ahead
of
time
now,
I
went
and
talked
to
a
lot
of
the
owners
of
downtown
businesses
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
stories
where
they
need
their
own
renovations
on
their
own
buildings.
They
need
a
roof,
they
need
a
restroom,
they
need
beautification
of
the
frontage.
Now
taxing
them
would
take
away
their
ability
to
beautify
their
own
building,
which
would
be
hurting
downtown.
V
So
you
could
argue
the
reverse
that
not
taxing
them
is
allowing
them
more
money
to
tend
to
their
own
business
factor
in
their
own
needs
and
beautified
downtown
one
building
at
a
time
on
their
own.
The
private
landowner,
I
guess
I
would
equate
it
a
little
bit
to
a
residential
lot.
Let's
say
if
my
neighbor
wants
to
build
an
addition,
you
could
argue
that
that
addition
would
raise
the
overall
neighborhood
land
values,
the
home
values
and
I
would
be
for
that.
V
I
Counselor
there's
just
one
more
thing:
I
want
to
add
I
mean
think
about
this.
We
spend
more
than
this
know
no
front
end
loader,
then
what
you
know
what
I
mean
in
our
budget,
gosh
I
gotta
believe
we
could.
We
could
support
this
as
a
community.
Some
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
because
I
am
absolutely
for,
but.
S
S
A
November,
so
yes,
we,
you
could
delay
your
vote
and
come
back
with
a
revision
to
the
plan
and
the
you
couldn't
be
as
specific
as
a
council
wants
it.
But
if
you
want
to
have
a
committee
to
work
on
what
that
plan
would
look
like
I'd,
definitely
appoint
some
council
members
to
work
on
that
and
then
bring
a
plan
back
at
the
same
meeting
or
a
prior
meeting
to
voting
on
the
urban
renewal
tax.
That's
definitely
an
option
that
you
could
consider
because.
U
U
F
C
Thank
you.
I
had
two
things
in
regards
to
delay
in
it,
I
think
the
longest
it
could
be
delayed.
If
it's
wanting
to
implement
now
for
next
year,
it
would
be
the
first
meeting
in
October
and
then
the
second
thing
I
have
heard
a
couple
of
times
where
it's
been
stated,
not
knowing
where
the
funds
go
and
what
it's
used
for
I
do
want
to
just
clarify,
though,
that
when
this
tax
would
be
done
and
it's
sent
over
from
the
county,
it
is
placed
into
its
own
separate
fund.
It
doesn't
go
into
the
general
fund.
C
It
is
an
urban
renewal
fund.
All
that
revenue
sits
there
there's
actually
a
lot
of
cash
right
now
for
the
urban
renewal
loans,
which
are
revolving
loans
and
nothing
because
there
is
no
budget
this
year,
we
couldn't
spend
it
until
the
council
and
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
say
what
that
would
be
spent
for.
So
just
a
couple
of
points,
a
clarification
because
I
know
I've
heard
about
the
accountability
and
as
far
as
timing.
So
those
are
my
two
things.
Things.
F
Guess
that's
why
I
asked
a
question
right
off
the
bat
as
far
as
what
the
timing
is
in
this,
because
I'm
I'm
with
the
unis
Michael
I,
want
to
support
this
in
the
worst
way,
but
I've
got
a
hard
time
right
now,
without
having
a
little
more
information
before
me.
That's
why
I'd
like
know
to
if
we
could,
if
we
could
defer
to
lay
this
and
if
and
if
deferring,
it's
not
going
to
make
it
fly
or
allow
it
to
happen.
A
A
We
have
money
that
we've
been
setting
aside
and
capital
outlay
of
general
tax
dollars
from
people
who
don't
live
anywhere
near
downtown,
don't
own
any
property,
downtown
they've
been
putting
their
tax
dollars
in
a
fund
to
pay
for
a
park
and
that
money
could
be
used
downtown,
there's
very
likely
far
more
money
from
the
general
population.
If
this
is
implemented,
then
would
come
from
the
land
owners
downtown
to
build.
A
Something
like
the
downtown
park
that
we
envision,
but
just
the
the
amount
of
money
that
would
be
generated
would
be
good
faith
that
showing
that
they're
willing
to
put
their
own
skin
in
the
game,
and
so
whether
you're
for
or
against
that
that's
just
for
clarification.
The
downtown
park
cannot
be
built
with
this
urban
renewal
fund.
Unless
we
go
20
years
or
something
with
it,
it's
not
that
big
of
a
fund,
so
it
would
require
a
great
deal
of
investment
from
other
sources
like
general
tax
dollars.
A
A
A
G
S
J
J
A
Okay,
councilmembers,
if
you
would
like
to
serve
on
a
committee
to
propose
a
revised
plan,
please
let
me
know-
and
you
don't
have
to
do
it
right
now,
but
send
me
an
email,
okay,
I'm,
assuming
the
two
representatives
from
Ward
C,
would
automatically
be
on
that
committee.
That
would
be
my
intention,
since
it's
in
your
ward
and
then
a
couple
more
a
couple
of
other
people,
maybe
somebody
that's
against
instituting
the
tax
would
want
to
serve.
So.
A
W
Perhaps
that's
a
way
to
move
forward
with
this.
We
keep
the
terms
general,
but
get
specific
on
a
five-year
plan
or
a
ten-year
plan
whatever
that
might
be,
it
would
help
pacify
some
the
landowners
concerns
as
to
what
projects
are
in
the
hopper
and
what
kind
of
funds
are
associated
with
the
expense
of
those
projects.
That
may
be
one
way
to
proceed
here,
rather
than
shaking
up
the
whole
original
intent
of
the
original
plan.
Just
an
option.
I
thought
it's
wrong.
A
W
A
W
X
F
X
A
A
D
X
E
E
X
You
could
stop
thunderstorms
in
Chicago.
That'd
be
great.
We
had
about
a
four-hour
delay
this
afternoon,
but
it
came
in
about
four
o'clock
and
went
out
without
a
hitch,
so
they
did
a
quick
turn
about
20
minute
turn.
We
had
both
planes
on
the
ground.
At
the
same
time,
they
landed
about
four
minutes
apart
and
they
just
held
out
a
little
farther
with
the
other
plane
and
the
Denver
route
and
turned
the
plane
and
went
out
great.
So
stop
thunderstorms
would
be
great.
X
E
X
I
would
say
it's
probably
75%,
leisure
still
25%
business,
but
with
that
said,
we
are
starting
to
see
some
heavy
hitters
from
the
business
industry
starting
to
come
back
and
and
we'll
really
see
those
numbers
skyrocket.
Just
with
a
few
select
people,
you
get
the
million
and
two
million
mile
fliers
to
come
back
you're,
looking
at
three
to
five
thousand
employments.
That
could
add
by
just
those
select
few
people
flying
as
often
as
they
fly
cool.
A
T
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
So
over
the
over
the
past
year,
I've
had
the
privilege
of
helping
the
animal
control
board
craft,
a
new
approach
to
our
dangerous
and
vicious
dog
ordinance,
the
primary
driver,
I
believe,
and
the
members
Beth
or
anybody
else
that's
attending
can
chime
in
on
this.
But
the
primary
driver
was
to
give
us
a
more
formalized
mechanism
to
essentially
euthanize
an
animal
if
we
believed
it
to
be
a
threat
to
the
public
and
and
so
that
was
kind
of
the
impetus.
T
And
then
we
took
that
opportunity
to
implement
or
to
propose
an
ordinance
that
it
addressed.
Not
only
that,
but
it
also
addressed
the
issue
of
dogs
being
aggressive
towards
other
dogs,
companion
animals.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
it
was
able
to
address
a
couple
of
different
items
as
well
as
put
in
some
protections
for
dog
owners
and
and
due
process,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
product
here
and
I
would
invite
Beth
or
dr.
or
even
the
audience
to
chime
in.
If
anybody
had
any
questions
as
well,
all.
F
I
asked
the
same
question
two
weeks
ago
in
Alaska
again
tonight
of
my
colleagues
up
here
and
staff
or
mark
any
feedback
received
from
any
of
the
members
of
public
on
this
proposed
ordinance
change.
I
have
not,
and
rather
surprised
at
that,
but
pleasantly
surprised,
I
will
say:
I
guess
that's
my
only
question
I
want
it.
I
really
want
to
thank
the
animal
control
board
and
the
staff
for
working
on
this
I
sat
in
some
of
those
meetings,
and
there
was
an
awful
lot
of
time.
F
A
F
Long
as
you're
talking
dogs
I
would
like
to
I
know,
it's
probably
not
it's
not
to
do
with
this,
but
we
do
have
an
ordinance
to
the
book
as
far
as
a
leash
law
in
this
community
I
had
a
neighbor
that
was
chasing
their
dog
down
with
their
vehicle.
The
other
day
picked
it
up.
That's
not
the
first
time
we
have
a
leash
law
in
this
community
that
we
need
to
remember.
We
also
have
our
ordinance
in
the
book
about
cleaning
up
after
your
dog.
F
H
C
Thank
You
mayor
council:
this
is
the
first
reading
of
the
budget
ordinance
for
2020.
In
regards
to
what
we
went
through
the
budget
hearings.
There
are
a
few
changes
that
were
placed
back
into
the
budget.
I'll
just
cover
those
the
first
one
was,
we
did
add
the
$50,000
to
the
capital
improvement
fund,
and
that
was
for
the
phosphorus
removal
study.
C
F
The
utilities
want
to
make
up
their
decision,
I
think
their
rates
and
transfer
committee
is
meeting
September
23rd.
If
I'm,
not
mistaken,
stare
board
won't
act
on
that
committee
recommendation
until
their
September
meeting,
which
was
last
Monday
in
September,
so
we
might
have
to
respond
accordingly,
then,
at
that
time,
I
also
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
the
public
understands.
The
budget
does
not
include
anything
at
this
point
for
any
kind
of
Street
assessment,
because
we
have
talked
about
that,
but
we
have
not
done
anything
yet
and
also
any
kind
of
stormwater
tax.
F
Q
D
Q
Q
A
F
Know
it's
only
the
first
reading,
but
is
Terry,
is
Terry
Kelly
still
here:
okay,
because
you
this
was
this
came
up
at
our
meeting
two
weeks
ago
in
the
park
and
Rec
Board
discussed
this
briefly
at
their
meeting
last
week
about
the
tree
saw
for
lack
of
better
terminology.
The
tree
saw
that
had
been
considered
or
is
kind
of
on
their
wish
list
that
that
is
not
reflected
in
the
Park
and
Rec
budget.
At
this
point,
correct
that.
C
That
is
correct.
That
kind
of
came
up
not
during
the
whole
budget
process
that
we
start
with
the
city
and
when
we
start
budgeting
in
May,
so
I
know.
That
was
something
that,
like
you,
stated
Jay
the
parks
director
had
kind
of
brought
to
our
attention.
At
this
point
we
just
we
didn't
have
enough
time
to
get
it
into
this
ordinance.
F
I
Little
bit
because
we
had
discussions
prior
to
that
meeting
that
you're
referring
to
we
were
looking
at
an
arborist.
You
know
the
potential
for
hiring
somebody.
Apparently
there
that's
gets
down
to
talent
like
we
talked
about
earlier.
There
was
somebody,
apparently
that
Jada
Lange
felt
would
be
interested
in
that
position
that
lives
in
Watertown
that
he
thought
would
be
fantastic
addition
for
us
and
in
lieu
of
this,
this
ash
borer
issue.
That's
coming
down
the
pipe.
I
You
know
it
made
sense,
I
mean
when
we
talked
about
that
some
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
and
like
Glen
was
saying
the
they
were
looking
at.
A
truck
and
I
saw
that
could
really
expedite
that
process
and
make
it
much
safer
than
with
what
we
have
now
for
equipment.
So
I
hope
we
give
some
serious
thought
to
those
two
additions.
A
Definitely
and
I,
you
know
if
we
do,
if
we're
successful
and
getting
an
increased
transfer
from
municipal
utilities
and
implementing
some
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about,
we
might
have
money
in
order
to
do
that
and
I
think
that
would
be
money
well
spent,
but
they
come.
You
know
one
step
at
a
time
here.
A
Right
and
I
mean
if
we
didn't
squeak,
that
out
of
this
year's
budget
I'd
even
support
that,
if
we
had
the
you
know,
if
we're
our
expenditures
are
down,
I
don't
know
if
they
are
I'm,
just
saying
that
something
that
we
should
be
looking
at
other
comments
or
questions,
counsel,
all
right.
Seeing
none
we'll
move
on
item
number.
Nine
is
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
sign
a
stormwater
best
management
practice,
maintenance
agreement
for
detention
out
lot,
a
of
Golf
View,
Estates
13th.
A
W
You,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
if
you
recall
we
had
this,
the
platform
off
you
Estates
13th
edition
was
on
the
agenda
at
the
last
meeting
and
in
that
discussion,
the
review
of
that
plat.
We
also
talked
about
the
stormwater
best
management
practices
that
are
in
place
for
that
subdivision.
One
of
those
BMPs
is
a
permanent
detention
pond
that
is
currently
in
place
and
constructed
from
one
of
the
previous
phases
of
the
subdivision.
W
As
those
discussions
ensued,
we
did
discover
and
realize
that
there
is
not
a
BMP
maintenance
agreement
in
place
for
that
pond,
and
that
was
one
of
the
requests
of
one
of
the
council
members
in
that
discussion
that
we
bring
forth
a
maintenance
agreement
a
little
bit
of
background.
These
agreements,
as
part
of
our
stormwater
post-construction
BMPs
agreement,
is
required
for
any
permanent
detention
ponds
to
be
executed
between
the
property
owners
and
the
city.
What
this
maintenance
agreement
does
is
just
talks
about
perpetuity
of
the
responsibilities
for
the
owner.
W
That's
gonna
retain
ownership
of
that
pond
to
continually
maintain
it
so
functions
properly,
help
avoid
residents
and
properties
from
occurring
any
incurring
any
damages
from
flood
waters
or
things
of
that
nature.
So
this
is
our
standard,
BMP
meanness
agreement.
A
lot
of
the
language
in
here
is
similar
to
what
you've
seen
another
BMP
maintenance
agreements,
one
of
them,
which
includes
access
language
that
gives
the
city
the
right
to
access
that
detention
area
to
perform
maintenance.
W
A
W
G
W
W
Responsibility
would
lie
with
them
until
I
point.
They
would
transfer
their
responsibility
to
an
association,
and
you
know
I
couldn't
speak
as
to
win
that
what
would
trigger
that
specifically
assuming
it
would
be
when
their
Lots
are
fully
sold
or
developed,
and
that
would
have
to
transpire
at
that
point
in
time.
I
would
also
note
that
we
would
typically
not
take
over
a
residential
subdivision.
Excuse
me
we
would
typically
take
over
a
sub
residential
subdivision
pond
for
city
ownership
and
maintenance,
but
for
the
presence
of
a
owners
association.
W
A
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
not
a
new
subdivision.
This
is
a
subdivision
that
is
almost
fully
developed
and
has
been
plaited
lot
by
lot
by
lot
and
that
pond
has
been
there
for
decades
and
it's
been
functioning,
so
the
the
things
that
we're
asking
them
to
do
are
tweaks
to
what
already
exists,
replacing
corrugated
metal
pipe
with
concrete,
raising
the
berm
to
the
design
elevation.
Those
are
things
that
you
know
we're
contemplated
many
years
ago
when
the
subdivision
was
first
proposed.
So
this
is
added
assurance,
they've
been
maintaining
it.
A
H
I
W
W
On
Cherry
Creek,
as
I
spoke
last
time,
our
next
step
is
going
to
be
to
perform
a
delineation
of
that
area.
What
that
delineation
is
I
threw
that
term
out
loosely
the
last
meeting.
But
what
that
is
is
a
formal
determination
of
whether
that
is
considered
a
wetland
and
would
be
a
jurisdictional
wetland.
They
would
go
on
that
register
as
such,
we've
dug
a
little
deeper
into
that
and
I've
gotten
documentation
shared
with
me
again.
This
is
comes
from
the
developer
to
the
north.
W
Their
consultant
has
been
partnering
with
us
pretty
heavily
on
this
because
of
the
benefit
of
them.
Grading
through
that
area
to
support
their
development,
and
they
have
supplied
me
with
a
determination.
It
was
already
found
to
be
made
from
I
believe
2016
and
I've.
Yet
I've
got
to
review
that
in
detail
and
look
make
sure
it's
it's
exactly
pertaining
to
this
specific
area
that
we
want
to
regrade.
But
it
looks
like
the
determination
has
already
been
made
that
legwork
is
done.
F
Do
just
a
reminder:
I
think
it's
the
time
to
remind
the
public
again
that
fourth
Avenue
is
not
supposed
to
be
utilized
by
trucks.
I've
been
passing,
I
come
in
on
that
road,
quite
often
home
and
to
town
and
there's
been
trucks
going
on
that
road
quite
regularly,
Beth
you're
nodding
your
head,
I'm
sure
you
see
them
too,
where
you
live
so
might
be
time
to
remind,
and
maybe
a
little
more
enforcing
out
there
relative
to
truck
traffic.
All.
I
I
Don't
know
how
much
you
know
about
this,
but
the
neighbors
have
talked
to
me
about
this,
where
it's
become
a
popular
thing
to
race,
down
that
Street
and
try
to
see
if
your
car
can
get
air
yeah
and
if
you
go
there
and
you
look
you'll
see
a
lot
of
rubber
on
the
street
and
and
I
know
it.
That's
not
funny,
but.
I
One
of
the
folks
adjacent
to
this
has
had
her
mailbox
run
over
three
times
now
we
got
folks
walking
up
there
and
that
part
of
the
street
does
not
have
a
sidewalk
I,
don't
believe
between
3rd
Avenue
and
2nd,
Avenue
and
I.
Think
it
really
is
a
safety
hazard
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we
mitigate
I,
don't
know
and
I
know
it's
a
problem.
I
I
know
it's
not
an
easy,
but
I
think
this
council
needs
to
be
aware
of
this
as
a
safety
issue,
and
it's
something
we
really
do
have
to
address
to
try
to
do
something,
whether
whether
it's
a
speed,
bump
situation
or
regrading
that
and
are
you
doing
it,
but
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
dangerous
situation,
the
other
another
person
adjacent
that
also
had
cars
on
their
property
as
well
that
have
gone
over
the
curb,
so
I
just
want
I'd
like
to
see
us
sooner
than
later,
at
least
try
to
address
that.
Thank.
W
Am
madam
mayor,
if
I
could
provide
the
the
council
with
some
background
of
as
far
as
our
discoveries
go
councilman
Bueller
is
right:
it's
obvious
what
that
area
is
being
utilized
for
you
can
tell
by
the
the
take-off
tracks
or
the
rubber
left
on
the
road
to
the
the
skids
where
the
oil
pans
are
hitting
the
other
side
of
the
of
the
road.
So
there
is
a
a
drainage.
W
What
I'll
call
a
drainage
swale
that
is
paved
into
that
area
that
allows
the
runoff
from
Lake
Erie
attacks
property
to
run
easterly
onto
the
the
Avenue
to
the
east
there
from
minor
standing
from
engineering
staff.
Is
that
a
project
as
recent
as
a
handful
of
years
ago?
They
did
widen
that
that's
whale
out.
W
It
is
possible
to
correct
I
mean
we
can
regrade
this
area
that
will
take
pretty
extensive
regrading
to
tie
in
to
the
curb
and
gutter
and
extend
the
street
back
even
further,
so
it's
all
the
more
natural
of
a
dip
so,
but
we
do
have
to
allow
that
drainage
to
continue
to
flow
through
there.
Some
other
options
have
kicked
around
with
street
superintendent
and
Police
Department.
Are
you
know
putting
in
temporary
speed
bumps
that
we
put
out
for
the
spring
and
summer
seasons
and
fall
seasons?
W
We
would
obviously
have
to
remove
those
for
the
winter
months.
I
would
suspect
it
in
the
winter
months.
This
ramping
activity
is
a
lot
less
of
an
issue.
Maybe
that's
one
one
quick
fix
we
could
we
could
contemplate
I?
Normally,
don't
like
you
know,
as
a
manager,
one
of
the
one
of
the
managers
of
the
rights
away.
W
Q
S
I
brought
up
a
poor,
the
crosswalks
downtown
it
looked
great
I,
don't
know
what
it
would
take
for
us
to
do
the
ones
that
are
not
just
on
camp
but
the
ones
off
to
the
side
as
well.
Since
that
is
also
kind
of
part
of
downtown
I,
don't
know
what
that
process
involves.
It
seemed
like
the
striping
was
pretty
quick
though,
and
it
looks
great
I
just
think
it
would
improve
the
safety
even
more
if
we
did
it
on
both
sides,
just
because
those
are
still
walkways
there
too,
with
high
traffic.
S
A
A
Where
can
the
public
be
to
sign
petitions
that
sort
of
thing?
What
rights
do
the
public
citizens
have
in
our
public
building
on
our
public
grounds,
the
all-city
buildings
and
grounds
are
owned
by
the
people
and
they're
open
to
the
public
as
long
as
the
intended
purpose
for
each
place
is
not
hindered
disrupted
or
harmed
by
the
public
being
there.
A
So
the
policy
will
state
that
and
also
clarify
that,
with
the
exception
of
building
and
office
lobbies
for
security
reasons,
non
employees
are
not
allowed
to
enter
work,
areas
and
private
offices
and
to
go
behind
doorways
and
desks
without
permission
from
a
city,
employee
and
video
and
audio
recording
will
be
allowed
in
certain
areas
but
prohibited
outside
of
lobby
areas
without
permission
from
a
city
employee.
So
someone
could
ask,
and
if
the
employee
gave
them
permission,
then
they
could
videotape.
Otherwise,
people
can
come
in
to
our
lobbies
in
our
buildings
anywhere
outside.
A
They
can
take
videos
on
public
areas,
but
if
they
want
to
come
into
someone's
private
office,
which
is
a
public
building,
but
it's
occupied
by
a
private
employee-
that's
not
necessarily
open
to
them.
We
have
areas
set
aside,
so
the
policy
will
address
that,
and
we
also
just
to
clarify
public
grounds.
Are
that
they're
public
grounds?
And
you
have
a
right
as
an
American
citizen
of
the
United
States,
to
gather
petitions
signatures
on
petitions,
you
can
do
that
in
public
property,
just
as
long
as
you're,
not
getting
in
the
way
hindering
blocking
people.
A
I
I
did
respond
to
your
email.
One
of
the
questions
you
had
there
was
I,
don't
know
if
I
should
talk
about
the
okay
here's
my
question:
if
we,
if
we're
talking
about
city
employees,
is
it
possible
that
a
guy
from
the
street
department
then
could
say
yeah
you
can
go
behind
the
desk
over
in
HR
I
think
we
might
need
to
tighten
that
up
to
the
department.
You
know
an
employee
of
that
department.
A
F
A
Gonna
write
absolutely
and-
and
there
will
be
an
education
process
and
I've
discovered
from
the
whole
request
for
petitions
right
after
I
told
somebody
it's
their
right.
As
a
United
States
citizen
to
stand
on
public
ground
and
gather
petition
signatures,
they
were
called
by
someone
an
implicit
employee.
A
The
police
were
called
and
asked
them
to
leave
so
bad
on
me
for
implying
that
I
guess
I
didn't
know
where
they
were
gonna
go,
but
there's
an
education
process
too,
for
our
employees
to
understand
what
they
can
and
can't
do
what
they
can
order
people
to
do
what
they
can't
what
they
really
shouldn't.
If
we
don't
want
to
be
in
a
lawsuit
so-
and
we
certainly
don't
want
that-
we
just
want
to
do
what's
right.
So
is
there
any
other
new
business?
Yes,
councilman
Helene
Thank.
V
V
Call
me
fastidious
about
my
previous
life,
but
I
view
this
as
a
public
room,
but
this
is
my
private
office
and
as
you're
just
talking
about
anyone
can
go
on
a
public
building,
but
if
you're
going
into
someone's
private
office,
that's
a
different
deal
now
on
our
desks
tonight
we
had
a
handout
that
attested
to
a
stance
on
one
of
these
issues
tonight
that
supposedly
had
lots
of
people's
signatures.
There
was
no
one
who
took
credit
for
that
now.
V
As
far
as
a
policy
as
to
what
can
or
cannot
be
put
on
our
desks
because
otherwise
I
consider
anything
on,
my
desk
is
coming
from
the
city,
and
this
document
definitely
wasn't
coming
from
the
city,
and
it
was
coming
from
a
someone
who
was
very
interested
on
one
side
of
an
issue
and
I
think
that
they
need
to
take
ownership
of
that.
If
they're
going
to
come,
I
guess
I
would
ask
for
that
same
consideration.