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Plan Commission Meeting - 10-08-2020
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So
the
yellow
highlights
were
what
came
from
the
september
10th
discussion
and
then
the
blue
highlights
are
just
from
staff
combing
through
it
once
again,
just
making
sure
that
everything's
covered.
So
we
can
try
to
get
a
a
good
start
to
this
ordinance
amendment.
Well,
we
have
a
good
start,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
looked
at
diligently
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
missing
anything.
So
you'll
see
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
added,
I
think
for
the
better.
B
I
think
it's
things
that
you
know
you'll
notice
in
the
concept
plan.
You
know
just
things
that
we
would
want
to
be
seeing,
and
so
the
concept
plan
is
what's
going
to
come
to
the
plan
commission
for
a
public
hearing.
So
if
there's
anything
else
that
you
guys
can
think
of
that,
you
would
like
to
see
that,
because
that's
the
main
portion,
that's
going
to
affect
the
plan
commission
and
then
and
then
so
that's
where
two.
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So
I
think
if
we
just
get
have
a
little
more
time
and
like
I
said,
we
were
able
to
get
public
notice
in
for
october
22nd,
because
we
also
do
want
to
keep
this
moving
as
people
as
well
as
developers
are
planning
their
projects
for
next
spring.
Just
so
they
have
so
we
can
get
this
on
the
books,
and
so
we're
not
in
this
limbo
period
of
this
is
our
ordinance
today,
but
this
is
what
we're
hoping
to
amend
it
to
so
with
that,
are
there
any
questions?
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Yeah,
a
quick
question
comment
under
2406.03
concept,
plan
and
2406.05
preliminary
plan.
We
we
added
in
there
hard
copies
and
electric
submittal
of
pdf
and
dwg
files.
I
would
also
suggest
that
you
put
the
word
term
gis
shape
files
in
there
as
well,
so
that
we're
not
having
to
convert
to
dwgs
into
a
gi
shape
file
for
the
the
city's
project.
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Yep-
and
I
have
that
and
the
word
I
guess
it's-
the
public
works
director
or
assigned
person
may
require
any
or
all
of
the
following,
and
I'm
wondering
why
we
wouldn't
just
require
those
the
estimate
of
the
vehicular
traffic,
but
especially
the
information
on
additional
water
or
sewer
loads,
and
I'm
wondering
why
that's
a
may.
Instead
of
a
requirement
to
me,
it
seems
like
that's
information
that
would
be
pretty
important,
especially
the
water
and
sewer
loads.
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I
think
that
what
the
additional
information
section
is
getting
at
is
if
we
see
something,
that's
abnormal
that
where
we
suspect
there's
going
to
be
potential
issues,
the
engineer's
office
could
require
even
more
information
than
the
basic
contributing
flows
from
the
development
and
but
I
believe
the
contributing
flows
from
the
development
and
the
adequacy
of
the
current
sanitary
sewer
system
are
both
requirements
in
the
sanitary
sewer
plan.
As
it
sits
right
now,
and
then
the
additional
information
would
be
requested.
F
Yeah
so
good
question
on
the
the
street
side
of
things
and
the
transportation
side
of
things
the.
I
don't
believe
that
the
street
section
requires
any
any
traffic
data.
It
does
require
that
the
streets
be
built
to
the
the
master
transportation
plan
or
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan.
I
don't
know
if
it
explicitly
says
that,
but
by
administration,
that's
what
we
do
is
require,
I
think
part
h
there,
transportation
connectivity.
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We
do
require
administratively
that
they
follow
suit
with
what
our
comp
plan
shows
and
what
our
master
transportation
plan
shows.
We
could
add
that
to
this
section,
for
clarity
as
well
now
as
far
as
the
additional
information
going
to
the
extent
of
requiring
a
traffic
impact
analysis,
that
does,
I
won't
say
it's
a
significant
cost,
but
it
is
a
cost
to
the
developer
to
do
a
full-blown
tia.
F
A
traffic
impact
analysis
will
look
at
the
trips
generated
from
the
site,
it'll
look
at
the
existing
road
network
and
determine
if
any
negative
traffic
impacts
are
occurring
from
the
development.
What
I've
seen
other
communities
do
is
they'll
instead
of
you
know,
ours
is
kind
of
loosely
written
right
now
says
the
public
works
director
may
require.
Other
communities
will
put
a
trigger
in
there.
That
says,
if
you're
over
x
number
of
vehicles
per
day
anticipated
traffic
generation
from
your
development,
you
are
required
to
provide
a
traffic
impact
analysis.
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That's
something
that
we
could
look
at
or
entertain
doing.
If,
if
the
commission
felt
that
that
would
be
appropriate,
it
does
make
our
job
a
little
easier,
because
it's
not
a
subjective
for
the
city
engineer
to
pick
and
choose
who
has
to
do
a
tia,
but
it's
definitive
based
on
the
amount
of
traffic
being
generated
from
the
development
and
that
that
number
can
be
derived
from
traffic
generation
manuals.
So
we
know
if
there's
a
hotel
going
in
of
a
certain
number
of
rooms
being
rented.
F
Long
story
short,
we
could
put
a
trigger
in
there
that
well
defines
more
clearly
defines
when
that
tia
is
required
and
then,
when
they're,
underneath
that
we
don't
worry
about
it,
because
we
feel
that
our
street
system
is
adequate
already.
The
way
it
is
presumably
based
on
where
the
development
is
going
and
the
zoning
that
it's
in.
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No,
it's
it's
typically
again
based
on
the
use
and
what
that
use
is,
is
anticipated
to
generate
for
additional
traffic
and
that
all
comes
back
into
those
traffic
generation
manuals,
so
they
they
in
there
they
have
listed
a
hotel,
for
example,
and
if
the
hotel
is
of
a
certain
size
or
a
certain
number
of
rooms.
It's
it's.
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It's
expected
in
those
manuals
that
x
amount
of
traffic
is
going
to
be
generated
from
that
development
and
they'll
have
other
uses
in
there
too,
like
a
convenience,
store
or
a
strip
mall
or
a
gas
station,
and
in
each
one
of
those
uses,
then
based
on
traffic
models
over
the
years
that
have
been
accumulated
through
traffic
studies,
they
have
a
model
that
they
indicate
in
those
manuals.
What
the
expected
trip
generations
would
be
from
that
development
and
then
that's
what
would
be
used
to
trigger
this
requirement.
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F
I
think
we,
as
staff,
could
review
what's
in
chapter
five
of
the
engineering
standards
and
make
sure
that
we're
comfortable
with
that
and
then
it
seems
to
be
commonplace
for
for
communities
like
watertown
and
if,
if
we're
confident
in
that,
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
Mr
chairman,
that
we
could
incorporate
that
by
reference.
By
simply
referring
to
the
engineering
design
standards.
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Yes,
thank
you
blake,
so
this
is
a
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
2173,
landscape
and
lighting
standards
of
the
revised
ordinances
of
the
city
of
watertown
and
so
you'll
see.
This
is
just
a
minor
amendment
that
so
what
you
guys
will
see
coming
forward
to
or
any
of
these
low-hanging
fruits
that
we
want
to
bring
forward
just
to
have
it
in
the
books
and
have
it
make
sense
and
also
for
protection
where
we
didn't
have
this
necessary.
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Tree
placement,
the
installation,
minimum
soil
requirements,
and
then
this
states,
then
that
yards
shall
be
graded
to
allow
proper
drainage
according
to
the
approved
grading
plan
and
shall
be
permanently
seeded
with
an
acceptable
residential
grass
mix
approved
by
the
building
inspector.
At
the
time
the
certificate
of
occupancy
is
issued.
An
appropriate
extension
not
to
exceed
eight
months
will
be
allowed
when
seasonal
limitations
prevent
seeding.
B
So
this
is
just
to
make
sure
that
at
the
time
the
certificate
of
occupancy
is
being
issued
that
the
lawn
is
also
being
established,
because
sometimes
we
see
building
projects
get
closed
out
and
then
the
lawn
is
never
finalized,
and
so
sometimes
it
comes
back.
It's
vegetated
it
just
might
not
be
grass
might
be
weeds,
so
we.
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B
F
We
generally
call
out
what
are
acceptable
bmps
and
then
we
list
and
give
examples
of
industry
standards
that
meet
the
the
general
bnp
requirements,
depending
on
the
search,
the
situation
of
erosion
and
sediment
control
that
they're
trying
to
accomplish
on
the
site.
So
that
could
be
one
way
to
handle
this
seeding
by
policy
as
well
is
to
create
a
list
by
policy
of
what's
an
acceptable
residential
seed
mix.
B
F
Randy's
looking
for
that,
I
had
a
little
bit
of
context
here.
The
what
generated
this
ordinance
amendment
was
primarily
stemming
back
to
recent
residential
development,
where
individual
residential
lots
were
not
getting
seated
with
an
appropriate
grass
lawn
seating
that
we
would
expect
to
see
in
our
community.
F
So
our
ordinance
doesn't
get
specific
to
require
that
what
our
ordinance
is
specific
on
is
vegetative
cover
to
meet
the
national
stormwater
regulations.
Well,
the
national
stormwater
regulations
are
very
vague
and
at
a
high
level
of
vegetative
cover
being
70
percent
covered
in
any
vegetation.
Really,
it
could
be
weeds
grass,
bushes,
shrubs,
trees.
Vegetative
cover
that
would
hold
the
soil
in
place
is
the
goal
and
intent
of
the
storm
water
regulations.
F
But
now
here
we're
drilling
down
a
little
deeper
to
say:
okay,
here's
our
intent
on
a
residential
lot.
What
kind
of
vegetative
cover
is
required,
I.e
the
the
grass
seeding
specification,
and
so
it
also
what
it
also
does
is
put
a
timeline
and
restriction
on
when
that
needs
to
be
accomplished,
and
I
wanted
to
point
this
out
too
just
so
that
the
board
is
in
agreement
that
it's
not
too
tight
of
a
timeline,
and
it's
not
too
generous
of
a
timeline
right
now.
F
We're
saying
the
the
seating
needs
to
be
in
place
at
the
time
of
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
new
residential
building.
If
that
co
is
issued
during
the
winter
months,
when
you
obviously
can't
plant
grass,
we,
we
would
entertain
an
extension
of
up
to
eight
months
to
see
that
grass
seeding
accomplished.
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So
before
that,
you
know,
if
you
can
see
it's
too
late
in
the
fall
to
plant,
do
you
also
gonna
make
them
so
that
they
landscape
the
lot
and
slope
it.
So
you
have
a
positive
flow
away
from
the
home,
where
it's
ready
to
be
seated
somewhat
with
the
dirt
and
no
dirt.
Piles
is
what
I'm
saying,
because
sometimes
you
see
some
of
them
dirt
piles
just
go
on
and
on
and
on
yeah
I'm
going
to
get
to
that,
and
it
never
happens.
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There
are
there's
a
pretty
good
definition
of
commercial
kennel
and
rapid
cities
ordinance
I
saw,
but
essentially
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
for
discussion
to
see
what
your
thoughts
were
on
that
and
then,
if,
if
you're
amenable
to
that,
we
would
bring
it
forward
at
a
future
plan.
Commission
meeting
for
formal
action.
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G
Yeah
you
know
that
was
the
consensus
is
that
we
would
regulate
the
effects
of
having
lots
of
dogs
if
there
were
any
there's
loud,
barking
dog
tickets
that
can
be
written,
there's
defecating
on
property-
that's
not
yours,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
there's
just
general
nuisance
laws
that
can
be
enforced.
There's
too
much
barking
going
on.
But
the
thought
was
that
if
somebody
has
10
dogs-
and
nobody
knows
they
have
10
dogs-
then
maybe
there's
not
an
issue,
and
so.
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E
I
think.
That's
the
reason
that
you
have.
That
number
is
there
so
that
you
don't
have
you
know
those
types
of
situations,
because
in
today's
society,
most
neighbors
they
just
they
just
harbor
ill-will
when
those
types
of
things
because
they're
afraid
to
go
talk
to
the
neighbor
and
I'm
not
against
dogs
or
anything
like
that.
But
I'm
just
saying
I
think,
that's
the
reason
of
the
basis
for
having
a
restriction
on
the
number
of
animals.
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Well,
I
think
the
point
that
matt
raised
about
so
the
kennels
referred
to
an
ordinance
here,
but
then
it's
only
called
out
in
the
ag
district
in
relation
to
a
usage
and-
and
so
it
implies
that
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
here-
is
a
commercial
kennel
usage
and
that
the
only
area
or
zone
within
town
that
we're
allowing
a
commercial
kennel
usage
is
the
ag
district.
So
it's
it's
not
necessarily
the
the
effect
that
you're
speaking
of
there,
mr
case.
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E
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
discussion
of
whether
or
not
you
can
have
chickens
in
the
city,
because
you
have
conflicting
ordinances
in
the
city
right
now.
If
you
keep
the
discussion
on
kennels,
I
think
it's
I
I
think.
Yes,
it's
difficult
to
enforce
and
we
handle
it
primarily
by
complaint
right
now,
but
I
think
there's
a
basis
and
a
reason
for
it.
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So
then
the
conditional
use
of
cantaloupe
commercial
kennel
in
the
ag
zone
would
would
align
with
kind
of
what
the
animal
control
board
was.
Thinking
was
the
intention
there
was
that
commercial
operations.
You
know
if
you're
raising
raising
pets
for
sale
on
a
regular
basis,
you're
boarding,
pets,
etc.
That
should
be
confined
to
the
conditional
use
of
an
egg
zone,
but
where
the
confusion
arose
was.
A
Yeah-
and
I
I
think
either
way
you
know,
whichever
way
we
want
to
interpret
it,
or
whichever
way
you
know
we
want
to
decide
is,
is
the
rule
of
law.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
clarified,
and
so
it
does
seem
like
we
should.
You
know,
propose
some
additional
language,
some
clarifying
language,
one
way
or
another,
and
then
have
a
public
hearing
and
open
debate
and
discuss
it.
There.
B
F
A
G
Agreed
well,
I
would.
I
would
just
tell
you
that
the
animal
control
board's
consensus
is
that
the
number
of
pets
anywhere
in
town
shouldn't
be
regulated,
so
I
think
that
they
would
like
to
come
and
have
that
discussion,
but
they
would
not
advocate
for
a
number
of
pets
regulation.
According
to
the
last
conversation
I
had
with
them,.
D
I
agree.
I
agree
with
your
comments
todd
that
self
regulation
is
very
difficult
in
this
day
and
age
when
you're
trying
to
get
along
with
your
neighbors
the
people
that
own
a
large
amount
of
pets
oftentimes,
think
their
pets
are
part
of
their
family
and
wonderful
and
that
just
because
they're
pooping
in
their
neighbor's
yard,
they
think
that's
just
fine
and
I've
experienced
that
myself.
A
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
wouldn't
have
the
discussion,
though
I
mean
it
is
something
that
we
can
all
talk
about
and
welcome
the
the
opinions
and
discourse
from
the
animal
control
board
as
well
to
madam
mayor's
point.
You
know
this
should
be
something
that
we
we
review
as
a
community
and
make
the
determination
on
it.
It
certainly
is
not
clear
the
way
that
it's
written,
I
mean
I'm
interpreting
it
differently
than
than
todd
is
interpreting
it
and
I'm
sure
everybody's
got
their
opinions
here.
E
G
So
where,
where
the
discussion
started
was
in
chapter
three,
which
is
the
animal
control
ordinance,
there
is,
the
definition
of
kennel
is
also
there,
but
does
not
include
the
word
owned
and
the
reference
to
kennel
in
that
ordinance
has
to
do
with
a
kennel
being
more
than
25
feet
from
your
neighbor.
And
the
concern
has
been
that
there
are
many
parts
of
town
where
that
would
be
impossible
to
have
an
outdoor
kennel.
G
Now
talking
about
the
structure,
an
actual
structure
of
a
kennel
more
than
25
feet.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
proposal
from
the
animal
control
board
set
up
to
the
city
council
to
strike
the
work
kennel
completely
from
chapter
three,
and
this
is
going
to
be
called
the
dog
house,
and
so
there
there'll
be
no
more
confusion
with
two
definitions
of
kennel
in
our
ordinance.
E
But
isn't
that
really
a
zoning
issue
too,
because
it's
a
structure?
And
why
is
that?
Why
is
that
in
the
in
the
animal
ordinance
when
it
should
actually
be
a
zoning
function,
because
all
structures
are
all
structures
are
regulated
by
the
zoning
ordinance?
And
so
I
that's
where
I
think,
maybe
we
you
know,
there's
some
cross,
there's
some
cross-contamination
across
code
within
the
city,
where
you've
got
zoning
functions,
intermingled
and
intertwined
in
various
other
safety
or
regulations
and
animal
regulations
and
nuisance
regulations.
E
A
F
We've
talked
briefly
about
this
in
the
past,
since
we've
made
the
transition
to
a
community
development
division
which,
in
which
case
we've
hired
a
community
development
manager
in
stacy
in
the
function
she's
performing
and
we've
transferred
brandy
as
the
urban
planner
from
underneath
the
city
engineer
over
underneath
the
community
development
manager,
so
that
we
got
the
planning
and
zoning
function
back
together
again.
So
to
speak,
and
with
that
we're
we're
currently
faced
with
some
staffing
shortfalls
and
wanted
to
just
update
everybody
on
the
status
of
that.
F
We
currently
still
have
two
vacant
positions,
one
of
which
we've
just
recently
performed
some
interviews
on
and
we
hope
to
extend
an
offer
soon.
That
is
for
the
permit
technician
that
will
be
essentially
doing
a
lot
of
administrative
assistance
in
the
office
upstairs
on
the
second
floor,
but
also
some
some
of
the
minor
permitting
like
fences
and
decks
and
sheds
and
dog
houses
or
kennels.
F
The
second
position-
that's
still
vacant
and
still
advertised,
is
a
building
specialist,
and
that
was
a
kind
of
a
hybrid
approach
between
the
building
official
and
our
former
building
service
specialist
job
descriptions,
and
in
that
we
have.
What
we're
looking
for
is
is
really
it's
a
more
technical
end
of
it
with
somebody
with
some
code,
knowledge
like
somebody
with
a
construction
management,
type
background,
whether
by
practice
or
by
degree
and
it's
it
does.
F
It
is
a
little
more
difficult
position
to
fill
just
because
of
the
high
demand
for
those
types
of
individuals
in
the
building
industry,
but
we
are
doing
what
we
can
to
get
that
position
filled
as
well.
The
reason
I'm
explaining
all
this
is
because
of
a
division
of
six
staff
members
when
you're
down
two
key
positions
like
that
that
do
the
brunt
of
the
permitting
I
I
could.
F
I
could
talk
all
night
about
commending
the
current
staff
and
the
weight
that
they're
pulling
upstairs
and
fielding
phone
calls
and
issuing
permits
and
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
processes
and
it's
an
all
hands
on
deck
situation
right
now.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
are
trying
to
scale
back
on
some
of
the
extra
things
some
of
the
fluff.
F
If
you
will
that
we'd
love
to
do
as
a
planning,
community
development
type
division
and
really
having
to
focus
on
the
the
walk-in
customers
and
the
building
permits
that
are
being
requested
and
applied
for
that's
priority.
One
right
now
for
community
development
is,
is
the
building
permits
and
the
commercial
site
plan
reviews
they're
all
a
function
of
that
community
development
division.
F
That
consultant
is
tsp
by
the
way
that
we
have
a
contract
with
for
our
their
assistance
and
those
reviews,
the
and
then
on
the
engineering
side
of
things
which,
which
the
board
doesn't
necessarily
see
as
much
of,
but
they
are
definitely
connected
to
the
the
development
side
of
things,
whether
it
be
residential
development
or
commercial
sites
where
there's
public
improvements
involved.
That's
where
the
city
engineering
office
gets
involved
and
that
side
too,
we
are
currently
short-handed.
F
We
have
do
between
covet
and
vacancies
between
these
two
divisions.
We've
had
up
to
five
vacancies
out
of
a
12
member
staff
between
community
development
engineering
at
one
time,
and
so
you
can
imagine
taking
those
12
positions
and
cutting
them
almost
in
half
that's
kind
of
how
we're
we're
taxed
at
at
this
point
in
time.
Right
now,
but
we
do
have
an
engineer.
Two
position
posted
as
well,
and
that's
an
engineering
training
level
position
again
very
hard
to
fill.
Those
positions
are
high
in
demand,
along
with
a
licensed
surveyor.
F
That's
also
posted
and
also
very
hard
to
fill
very
hard
in
demand
high
in
demand.
So
I
just
wanted
to
provide
some
context
there
and
an
update
on
the
staffing
levels
and
where
we're
at
in
community
development
and
engineering
divisions
of
public
works
and
again,
it
would
encourage
the
board
to
contact
either
station
myself.