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C
A
A
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
Mark.
So,
as
we've
alluded
to
this,
these
two
meetings
are
basically
about
campgrounds
and
we're
going
to
be
discussing
the
language.
That's
in
chapter
21
76.
So
this
will
be
an
ordinance
amendment
to
this
existing
ordinance.
We've
talked
about
this
one
in
the
past
a
couple
times
and
have
thrown
around
language
that
we
thought
was
appropriate,
and
so
what
we
had
brought
up
was
that,
right
now
our
our
ordinance
says
no
campground
may
be
occupied
by
the
same
person
or
persons
for
more
than
30
days
in
one
calendar
year.
B
So
when
in
the
discussion
before
when
we're
talking,
if
it's
a
camper
or
a
person,
this
is
directly
related
to
a
person,
and
so
then
also
the
board
had
asked
that
I
look
into
other
campground
ordinances,
which
I
did,
and
ours
is
actually
very
similar
to
Brookings
and
like
almost
exact,
and
there
was
just
a
couple
differences.
Actually,
we
have
a
more
more
of
a
requirement
for
step
backs
and
then
also
for
our
campsites
stay
and
how
long
people
can
be
there.
B
So
the
language
that
I'm
proposing
is
little
state
campsites
shall
be
used
by
the
same
persons
as
temporary
seasonal
stays.
Only
a
nose
Stacia
exceed
120
days
in
one
can
a
year,
which
is
four
months
and
before
we
had
talked
about
a
time
frame
and
saying
between
April
and
November.
But
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
necessary,
because
our
main
concern
would
just
be
that
these
are
not
turning
into
permanent
residences.
But
if
somebody
really
does
want
to
camp
through
the
winter
months,
so.
B
A
G
No
Mike
Lawrence
just
was
up
here,
as
you
know,
the
current
you
know
I'm
part
of
the
origination
of
this
change
it.
It
goes
to
the
fact
that
there's
a
campground
that
operates
currently
that
does
not
follow
the
city
ordinance
and
hasn't
had
no
issues.
I
mean
that's
what
we
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind.
I,
believe
that
long
term
camping
park
model
of
camping
is
something
that
actually
lessens
the
impact
because
the
people
are
there.
They
are
art
that
you
know
your
neighbors
they're,
not
coming
in
on
Friday
and
leaving
on
Sunday.
G
You
know
the
one
campground
we
have
the
most
issues
with
or
pretty
much
when
you
call
it,
you
know
talk
to
the
police
department.
The
only
issues
with
is
the
city
city
park.
That's
set
up
as
a
first-come
first-serve,
you
know.
If
you
want
tourism
and
you
want
things
coming
from
other
towns,
you
have
to
have
reservations.
You
have
to
have
the
ability
to
stay
for
a
long
period
of
time.
You
know
nobody's
gonna
drive
up
here
from
Sioux
Falls
on
a
first-come,
first-served
basis.
G
You
know,
and
if
you,
if
you
get
into
that
seasonal
like
Jason,
was
talking
about
there's,
yeah
and
I
know
in
this
community.
A
lot
of
people
think
it's
kind
of
mind-blowing,
but
there's
a
ton
of
lakes
that
have
a
business
model
like
this
and
a
lot
of
those
lakes.
Actually
that
the
campers
stay
there
year-round
and
they
build
little
decks
on
them.
They
plant
trees,
they
put
a
garden
up.
They
do
things
like
that
that
that
actually
improved
this
site.
You
know
I
talked
to
Bonnie.
She
actually
referenced
the
same
same
campground.
G
D
G
Limit
the
amount
of
time
you
can
stay
in
a
hotel
and
and
and
the
c3
I
could
build
a
hotel
here
and
someone
could
live
in
the
hotel,
but
we're
wanting
to
limit
the
amount
of
time
when
we
could
do
it.
If
I
could
do
it
for
ice
fishers,
you
know
if
in
our
business
model,
if
somebody
wanted
me
to
open
the
road
to
get
to
their
camper
and
they
wanted
to
stay
a
nice
fish
for
a
week,
you
know
out
there.
G
I
think
and
I
had
a
discussion
with
the
mayor
on
this
I
I
think
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
live
there.
If
we
can
come
up
with
that,
it
would
be
great,
that's
kind
of
why
I
discussed
it.
This
way,
I
do
not
want
to
trailer
court
either.
I
do
not
want
people
to
live
in
these
things.
I
think
it
should
be.
G
You
know
short-term
stay
or
seasonal
for
camping,
say
and
that's
how
I
worded
it
the
first
time
it's
been
kind
of
reworded
since
then,
but
if
somebody
wants
to
come
in
the
winter
and
stay
for
a
week
to
go
ice,
fishing
up
and
bitter
we're
the
Gateway
for
that
I
mean
we're
the
Gateway
for
glacial
lakes,
fishing
that
we
have
a
restaurant
that
operates
out
there,
year-round
North
Shore,
they
come
back
from
fishing.
They're
gonna
go
eat,
you
know,
that's
that's!
G
That's
close
to
home
I,
don't
think
putting
again
I,
don't
think
putting
a
limitation
on
a
certain
person's
business
model
other
than
the
fact
that
we
don't
want
people
living
there
and
that's
why
I
worded
it
the
way
I
did
after
unseasonally,
you
can't
stay
there.
We
have
to
kick
you
out
if
you
stay,
if
you're
in
the
camper,
for
this
amount
of
time
and
I
read
that
as
you
could
leave
your
camper
there,
because
outside
storage
I
mean
you
know,
they're,
they
it
was
referenced
at
the
other
meeting.
G
B
G
G
A
G
Correct
the
only
thing
that
I
thought
is
it's
kind
of
a
that.
A
three
month
window
is,
it
kind
of
could
be
a
short
season
for
okay
for
a
month
window
could
be
a
short
season.
That's
why
I
had
expanded
it
to
opening
up
pheasant
season,
it's
kind
of
a
big
deal
in
South
Dakota.
So
my
original
wording
of
this
was
to
about.
G
H
D
D
Well,
what
is
the
difference
between
this
and
a
trailer
court
because
one
of
the
residents,
one
of
the
people
who
was
here
before
said
this
is
a
trailer
court
and
then
I
heard
the
people
in
the
crowd
back
here
saying:
well,
it
doesn't
matter
what
we
say
because
you
all
have
already
decided.
So
it's
just
a
question:
I
have
what
is
it?
D
They
have
a
home
like
a
trailer
court,
they've
rented
a
lot.
They
put
something
down,
they
have
their,
they
have
access
to
it
all
year
round
and
while
it's
possible,
you
can
say
180
days,
but
there's
no
one
living
there
who's
going
to
check
that
that's
what's
happening.
So
how
do
you
make
it?
Something?
That's
not
a
full-time
residence
and
because
what
you're
talking
about
starts
to
sound
like
a
trailer
court
and
so
there's
certain
things
that
people
in
a
trailer
cart
have
like
a
shelter,
a
storm,
shelter,
I.
Think.
F
D
F
F
One
thing
that
I
think
that
differentiates
this
you
know
from
a
trailer
park
manufactured
home
is
the
seasonal
aspect
and
in
the
ordinance
here
it
says
that
they
will
keep
accurate
records.
So
at
any
given
point
in
time
the
city
can
reach
out
to
Mike
and
say
we'd
like
to
see
your
traffic.
You
know
your
stay
records
for
the
last
six
months
and,
if
that's
how
they
want
to
enforce
it,
that's
how
they
can
enforce
it.
Can.
D
And
I
think
I
understand
that
those
are
their
difference.
But
in
fact,
when
someone
has
a
home
and
they
put
it
on
the
property
and
they
have
a
deck
and
they
can
leave
it
there
all
year
round,
you're
calling
it
something
different.
You
don't
have
a
license.
You
don't
have
the
same
regulations,
but
a
person
can
do
the
same
thing.
D
C
Mr.
chairman
I
guess
my
view
from
a
zoning
management
standpoint.
It's
the
primary
difference
in
my
mind,
would
be
the
permanency
of
residency
versus
the
temporary
residency
and,
and
that's
why,
in
revised
section
here,
staff
was
explicit
to
to
retain
and
use
that
this
terms,
temporary
seasonal
stays
where
your
mobile
home
parks,
that
is
more.
D
I
C
F
Have
a
question
for
this
city
attorney
mr.
chair
Matt
in
your
reading,
just
confirming
Brandis
understanding
that
if
we
changed
leave
this
at
120
or
180
days,
are
that's
only
for
people
actually
occupying
the
trailer,
the
camper
whatever.
But
if,
if
people
aren't
there
utilizing
the
camper,
they
could
leave
that
camper
year-round.
J
F
What's
used
mean
physically
staying
there
using
the
campground
as
a
place
to
put
my
camper
I'm,
just
saying
I'm,
looking
at
all
kinds
of
potential
legal
arguments
that
could
come
back
at
you,
and
so
that's
all
the
reasons
I'm
fine
I
understand,
but
seasonal
stay
used.
I
write
policy
for
a
living.
Those
are
words
that
are
just
broad
enough
to
drive
a
truck
through
I
would.
J
F
That
way,
you're
only
asking
the
owner
of
the
campground
twice
a
year
to
present
information
to
them
that
their
records
are
being
kept
and
that
used
shall
not
include
ASIMO,
maybe
include
something
to
be
inhabited
as
opposed
to
stay,
and
so,
if
I'm,
only
inhabiting
it
for
six
months,
that
means
the
camper
could
stay
there
year-round
but
I'm
only
living
in
it
in
six
months,
I,
don't
know
how
that
language
looks
and
if
something
could
be
written
into
that
fashion.
That
intent
I
would
make
a
motion
to
move
that
forward.
Commissioner,.
C
H
E
J
E
E
F
E
A
G
Think
Liam
kind
of
hit
it
on
the
head.
Is
you
you
do
get
into
someone's
business
model
quite
a
bit
if
that
person
you're
running
it
into
thinking
that
that
pad
will
only
be
okay.
So
let's
say
this
campground
doesn't
fill
up
with
park
miles.
Let's
say
we
have
use
it
for
for
pull
in
pull
out.
Ok,
so
then
somebody
comes
I
rent
it
through
the
season.
Somebody
comes
in
and
says:
hey,
I'm
gonna
come
ice
fishing
up
there
you
got
a
place
for
my
camper
I
can
say
well.
G
I
can't
use
that
one,
because
that
was
been
used
for
180
days
and
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
to
the
end
of
the
row
over
here.
You
can
use
that
one.
But
then,
if
your
buddy
comes
he's,
gonna
have
to
go
over
here,
because
this
one
has
180
days
of
use
on
it.
It
seems
a
little
bit
into
a
business
model
and
if
that's
where
you
want
to
go,
that's
fine
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
that's.
F
F
F
A
B
K
K
I
mean
if
this,
if
instead
of
a
since
this
is
a
c3
zone,
you
know
which
this
ordinance
applies
to,
because
that's
or
nay,
because
that's
the
only
two
zones
that
we
allow
campgrounds
in
and
if
someone
wanted
to
store
something
out
there
all
year
like
if
this
was
go
back
to
our
farm
machinery
sales,
how
long
would
we
let
them
keep
farm
machinery
on
the
site?
You
know
it's
you'd,
keep
it
you
around
exactly
that's
it's.
K
F
Sure
that
the
legal
sense
is
that
we're
allowed
to
keep
those
campground
campers
there
year-round
if
that's
the
business
model,
I,
don't
want
to
interfere
with
that.
The
question
about
the
the
thirty
days,
I
think,
is
completely
wrong.
The
one
twenty
I
think
is
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
would
rather
move
it
to
a
180
just
from
if
we
didn't
want
to
require
reporting
under
number
nine.
So
that's
only
twice
a
year.
J
Mr.
chair
I'd
make
this
one
one
suggestion
I
would
make
kind
of
jumping
on
what
Brandi
said
there
about
explicitly
stating
something
at
the
end
of
allowing
that
explicitly
states.
The
campers
are
allowed.
I
would
go
one
step
further
and
then
before
getting
into
defining
with
the
language,
that's
currently
there
you
could
make
a
statement
at
the
beginning
stating
this
is
not
intended
to
be
a
permanent
residence
or
not
intended
for
your
own
living,
just
a
general
policy
statement
and
then
go
into
the
actual
verbage.
That's
currently
there
something
similar.
E
K
H
J
H
Campsites,
one
more
time
whatever,
whatever
the
website
shall
only
campsites
shall
only
be
occupied
by
the
same
persons
as
temporary,
seasonal
stays
and
no
occupancy
shall
exceed
no
or
perhaps
no
individuals
occupy
the
present
possessive.
No
individuals
occupancy
shall
exceed
180
days
in
one
calendar
year
or
any
one
calendar
year.
I
guess.
B
Works
and
actually
so
I
I
started
at
six
months,
but
then,
when
I
looked
at
Brookings
they
actually
only
allow
for
90s.
So
it's
less
so
I
didn't
want
to
be
to
agree
just
with
the
time
timeline,
but
when
we
discussed
it
before
too,
we
were
around
that
six-month
period
and
if
this
is
just
too
so
people
are
not
staying
there
year-round
six
months.
This.
E
B
Mats
so
I
think
I'll
I'll
bring
up.
I
went
in
looking
at
all
of
the
provisions
here.
I
also
thought
that
number
eight
was
a
little
odd,
because
I
feel
like
it's
redundant
in
our
ordinance
and
how
we
handle
non-conformities.
So
it
says
all
special
permits
issued
under
this
section
or
temporary
invalid
only
during
the
period
that
the
campground
and
associated
facilities
comply
with
the
provisions
of
this
title
and
all
other
applicable
ordinances
and
regulations
for
one
I,
don't
like
what
is
a
special
permit.
I.
F
J
I
would
actually,
as
a
I
agree,
that
special
permanent
certainly
needs
to
be
changed,
but
I
guess,
as
I
looked
at
it
a
few
times,
I
wonder
if
what
the
intent
there
was
to
say
that
if
somebody
is
operating
a
campground
and
violating
one
of
the
provisions
of
campground
operation,
do
we
want
the
ability
to
not
only
site
them
with
an
ordinance
violation
and
pursue
enforcement
that
way,
but
also
shut
down
the
use?
That's
the
question,
I
think
and.
F
I
think
you
know
what
I
would
look
I'm
going
down
a
rabbit
hole,
but
rather
than
having
it
specific
to
campgrounds
I
think
there
should
be
a
specific
item
in
all
conditional
use
permits,
that's
specific
to
that
that
you're
subject
to
not
only
findings
about
revocation
of
permit,
but
that's
a
different
section
of
the
ordinance
that
I
would
need
to
be
taken.
Yeah.
B
Yeah
I
just
thought
it
was
odd
that
we
were
being
so
specific
for
campgrounds,
because
it
makes
it
kind
of
hard
for
anybody
to
invest
in
them
as
well
I
mean,
hopefully
they
would
conform
to
our
ordinance
because
they
wouldn't
to
be
fined
if
they
were
out
of
compliance
and
code
enforcement.
Wasn't
in.
F
H
J
B
H
Implies
year-round
stays
occupied
is
a
is
it
I
think
there's
a
more
temporary
definition,
so
I
like
the
word
occupied
an
occupancy
as
opposed
to
inhabited
and
then
in
terms
of
persons
or
individuals.
I
would
prefer
it
at
least
be
consistent
throughout
the
the
clauses.
So
Clause
one
is
person's
clause.
Two
should
be
persons
if
it's
clause,
one
as
individuals,
plural
possessive,
then
it'd
be
plural
possessive
in
the
second
clause,
I,
don't
care
what
which
one
it
is.
Let.
J
F
H
A
B
B
Yes,
the
old
business
will
be
I'll,
have
an
update
on
the
late
commercial
district
that
we
met
on
last
week
with
our
committee,
and
so
that
consists
of
Todd
diana
ford
and
blake
dolly
and
heath
and
myself
heath
wasn't
present
at
that
meeting,
but
the
okay.
So
the
last
time
we
talked
it
was
over
permitted
uses
and
then
our
goal
was
to
get
through
the
rest
of
the
ordinance
which
we
did
and
so
I
just
want
to
review.
B
B
Yep
and
then
for
the
truck
or
bus
terminal
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
transit
station
definition,
because
we,
you
know
we
had
talked
about
that.
If
the
trolley
were
to
make
a
stop
out
there
or
something
like
that,
then
that
the
the
definition
of
truck
or
bus
terminal
is
actually
it's.
It's
not
what
we
were
intending
this.
B
Yes
and
I
think
actually
I
have
those
defined
yeah.
So
the
the
definition
for
transit
station
that
I'd
propose
would
be
an
area
or
building
used
for
the
transporting
of
people
or
goods
by
vehicle
from
one
place
to
another
and
then
actually
just
while
we're
down
here,
then
a
carwash
is
a
place
or
building
where
vehicles
or
equipment
are
cleaned.
And
then
we
have
the
storage,
shops,
building
or
definition.
G
F
B
So
there's
some
things
that,
like
I'll,
have
to
finish
up
and
then
but
I'll
keep
each
meeting
I'll
keep
having
update.
Now
we
won't
have
a
plan
Commission
meeting
on
February
6th.
Actually
there
won't
be
a
meeting
on
February
6th
at
all.
It'll
be
February
4th,
like
I
emailed
you
guys
today,
and
that
will
be
public
notice
as
well.
So
the
public
is
informed,
will
get
that
word
out
there,
but
it
will
be
February
4th,
which
is
a
Tuesday
evening
at
5:30
p.m.
B
B
F
I,
don't
think
it
has
been
discussed,
I
think
from
a
use
perspective,
we're
okay,
as
far
as
those
existing
uses
in
those
commercial
zones
are
detailed
within
the
proposed
language.
So
that's
the
biggest
issue
that
I
had
what
we
weren't
going
to
make
a
use
non-conforming
based
upon
what
it
was
being
there
now.
Some
of
the
area,
bulk
and
design
standards
may
make
the
use
non-conforming,
but
then
that's
something
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
and
deal
with
it.
I
do
think
it
is
a
good
good
comment.
We
need
to
talk
about
that.
I
G
B
Except
it
would
be
30
all
the
way
around,
and
we
did
that
because
we
got
into
the
discussion
of
that
at
the
lake.
The
front
yard
is
the
lake
side
and
the
rear
yard
is
the
public
right-of-way
side
which
is
reversed
from
anywhere
else.
So
we
just
kept
it
all
consistent.
That's
right!
Sorry
about
that.
That's
a
good
catch
and
sorry
that
that
wasn't
in
the
agenda
packet.
A
B
This
ok,
so
then
that's
where
the
next
part.
There
is
the
area
in
bulk
requirements
which
references,
those
lot
size
requirements
and
so
that
that
will
won't
be
in
this
ordinance,
but
it'll
be
in
that
section,
section
21
10
in
that
chart
and
then
so
we
get
into
the
design
standards
and
we
talked
about
the
impervious
area
and
that
was
at
50%.
We
changed
that
to
60%
after
we
did
some
calculations
and
felt
that
that
was
appropriate
to
retain
green
space,
but
then
also
to
allow
for
people
to
utilize
their
property.
B
And
then
we
have
this
provision
where
all
exterior
walls
facing
and
immediately
adjacent
to
a
property,
zoned,
r1,
single-family
residential
shall
be
finished
with
the
following
materials
or
similar
fo
material,
that's
just
say,
materials
or
a
combination
of
the
following
materials,
and
this
is
consistent
with
well.
It's
kind
of
a
combination
of
our
gateway
overlay
and
our
downtown
aesthetics,
coordinate
overlay
districts,
and,
let's
see
here
so
this
is
just
that
this
would
only
be
so.
B
If
somebody
had
a
SEL
property
that
did
not
have
any
that
wasn't
adjacent
to
residential
property,
then
they
could
use
metal
for
their
entire
building.
So
we
just
we
wanted
to
protect
the
aesthetics
of
the
neighborhoods
where,
if
it
were
facing
a
residential
property,
then
that
it
was
looking
like
more
of
a
residential
house.
B
The
outside
storage,
just
displaying
screening,
we
took
this
language
from
the
Gateway
overlay
district
and
felt
that
it
was
appropriate.
We
had
vetted
that
pretty
heavily
and
it
accomplished
what
what's
appropriate
for
this
one
and
then
I
need
to
still
add
the
transit.
The
transitional
yard
green
space
requirements
similar
to
the
gateway
overlay
district,
but
we
kind
of
landed
at
the
the
language
will
be
pretty
consistent
too,
but
we
kind
of
landed
that
15
feet
of
the
transitional
yard
should
remain
green
space.
We.
B
And
then,
because,
right
now,
the
the
side
yard
setback
is
30
feet,
so
we
felt
that
making
it
half.
So
if
you
were,
if
there
was
the
neighboring
property,
was
a
house
that
they
would
have
some
protections
and
spend
setback
screenings
and
that
it
was
still
it
was
a
green
space
and
not
like
a
parking
lot.
K
I
think
it
looks
really
good
and
I
really
like
that.
You
presented
it
to
us
with
giving
us
time
to
digest
it,
but
before
we
have
to
actually
act
on
it
and
in
allowing
not
only
us
to
digest
it
but
the
public
or
who
anyone
else
that
wants
to
that
has
taken
in
this
ordinance
and
other
ordinances.
Yeah.
B
B
All
right
so
I'll
continue
working
on
this
and,
like
I,
said
you'll,
be
seeing
it
again
on
February
20th
as
a
discussion
item
and
then
so
in
the
meantime
feel
free
to
reach
out.
If
you,
if
you
think
about
anything
that
you'd
like
to
see
added
because
that's
what
I
can
do
redline
it
and
then
you
either
just
add
items
for
discussion
and
then
just
keep
we'll
just
keep
betting.
It
all.