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Public Works, Finance & Safety Meeting - 09-08-2020
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All
those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item.
Four
is
the
public
input
time,
and
this
is
the
time
reserve
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
to
step
forward
and
do
so
and
if
you'd
like
to
please
state
your
name
into
the
microphone
for
the
record
before
making
a
comment,
if
you're
online
just
say
permission
to.
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B
A
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay,
motion
carries
item,
six
is
the
regular
agenda
and
a
is
authorization
to
bid
the
fuel
farm
expansion
project
at
the
watertown
regional
airport,
and
so
look
for
a
motion
for
that
didn't
hear.
Was
that
bill
hauer,
okay
motion
by
vilhauer
and
a
second
by
holine,
and
I
will
ask
the
public
works
director
city
engineer
heath
on
I
to
talk
about
this.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I've
also
got
a
couple
of
folks
on
standby
here.
To
help
me
talk
through
this
pardon
me.
I've
been
out
under
the
weather
here
lately.
So
if
I
have
to
pass
my
talking
off
to
some
assistance,
that
that'd
be
the
main
reason
why
that,
because
they
might
know
more
about
more
about
these
issues
than
I
might
so,
but
the
fuel
farm
expansion
project-
that's
been
one-
that's
been
in
the
works
here
for
a
little
while
it's
been
before
the
council
previously
a
few
months
back.
C
If
you
remember,
we
were
going
to
shift
some
cip
funds
in
order
to
do
so
and
then
covet
hit
and
kind
of
put
the
plans
on
hold.
We
decided
internally
that
we'd
want
to
wait
out
some
of
this,
this
coven
pandemic
and
the
impacts
that
it
has
on
the
airline
industry
and
didn't
want
to
pull
the
trigger
on
the
project
at
that
time.
C
So
we
put
it
on
hold
here
for
the
last
few
months
since
that
time
has
passed
now,
there's
been
a
few
things
that
that
have
happened
that
have
exacerbated
the
need
for
this
project
to
actually
bring
it
back
to
the
forefront
somewhat
urgently,
and
one
of
those
things
is.
The
aty
aviation
has
recently
be
recently
become
a
what's
called.
C
A
corporate
aircraft
association
preferred
fixed
based
operator
with
that
that
that
triggers
a
lot
more
air
traffic,
as
far
as
being
at
an
identified
location
for
refueling
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
the
fuel
farm
that's
out
there
today.
The
capacities
just
aren't
keeping
up
with
the
demand.
Now,
since
we've
had
this
caa
preferred
operator
designation
with
that,
we
also
thought
that
the
covet
would
would
slow
the
feeling
down
and
and
because
the
the
commercial
airline
industry
has
taken
such
a
hard
hit.
C
I
think
it's
an
indicator
that
the
the
the
private
airline
industry
has
picked
up
and
caused
the
use
of
that
fuel
that
fuel
demand
to
rise
eyes,
all
the
more
so
it's
kind
of
had
an
inverse
effect
is
what
we
thought
it
might
have.
The
coven
pandemic
has,
with
all
that
being
said,
todd
cyrus
on
the
line
here.
Todd
if
you
want
to
expand
on
anything
that
I
missed.
Maybe
talk
about
the
the
cares
act.
Funding
to
fund
this.
At
this
point.
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D
Next
year
we
talked
to
the
faa
about
expansive
traffic
that
we've
been
seeing
in
the
in
the
recent
months
here
with
private
jet
traffic,
mainly
taking
a
lot
of
jet
aid
fuel
at
one
time,
making
it
very
very
hard
for
aty
aviation
to
plan
out
their
kill
deliveries,
and
I
believe
we
have
john
and
brenda
yost
at
city
hall
there
in
the
council
chambers.
We
can
ask
them
to
speak
if
you
would
like.
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C
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
and
again
on
this
item.
I've
got
rob
boehner
street
superintendent
on
on
standby.
Here
that
I'll
hand
it
over
to
in
a
second,
but
this
is
our
annual
quotes
that
the
street
division
puts
out
for
snow
removal,
slash
equipment,
rental
services
for
the
snow
removal
function,
the
city
performs
throughout
the
winter
months.
F
Thanks
heath,
like
heath,
was
saying
this
is
our
annual
bids
for
our
snow
removal
and
equipment
rental
quotes.
I
want
to
show
you
guys
a
little
pdf
here
of
a
graph
showing
the
last
five
seasons
we've
dealt
with.
Let's
see,
if
I
can
get
this
to
come
up,
can
you
guys
see
that
on
the
screen?
Yep
yeah,
okay,
as
you'll,
see
over
here
on
the
winner
of
2016
and
17,
the
prices
for
motor
graders
are
in
red.
F
F
F
Down
is
why
it
went
down.
I
I
you
know
I
kind
of
wonder
if
some
of
the
things
like
the
wheel,
loaders
are
really
competitive.
We
do
get
quite
a
few
bids
unknowns
a
lot
of
people
own
wheel,
loaders,
I
think
that's
part
of
it.
Just
the
bidding
everybody's
getting
competitive
on
that.
Usually
trucks
are
pretty
competitive,
but,
as
you
can
see
it,
the
the
trucks
have
really
only
went
up
about
six
bucks
over
the
last
five
years.
So
that's
not
bad
at
all.
F
Semi
tractors,
we
actually
did
have
another
bidder
come
in
with
semi
inside
dump
that
dropped
the
average
down,
so
their
price
was
really
good,
so
it
did
drop
the
average
down.
You
know,
I
I
think
yeah
I
don't
know
if
kovit's
causing
more
people
needing
work
or
what,
but
our
prices
are
pretty
good.
This
year,
our
our
motor
graders,
though
we
do
have
a
small
group
there
and
the
prices
do
continue
to
increase.
As
you
can
see,.
E
F
F
E
Okay,
and
also
have
you
done
the
same
sort
of
chart
by
contractor,
I
guess
what
I'm
re,
alluding
to
I'm
not
going
to
publicly
mention
the
name,
but
I
know
one
of
the
bidders
was
consistently
higher
than
the
others
in
the
spreadsheet.
That
we've
got.
Is
that
unusual,
or
is
that
particular
contractor,
typically
on
the
high
side
compared
to
the
others.
F
F
F
But
we
do.
We
did
have
some
raise
their
prices
quite
drastically
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
you
know
sometimes
contractors
have.
You
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
on
the
table.
They
might
have
bids
that
they
have
in
place
with
some
of
the
the
big
parking
lots
and
that
type
of
thing
for
these
big
box
stores.
So
that
does
you
see
some
of
the
prices
go
up
occasionally
because
of
that
they
might
have
a
contract
for
the
winner.
F
F
Right
right,
I
see
what
you're
saying
there
and
I
will
be
coming
to
you
guys
with
a
snow
gate
discussion.
I
believe
at
the
next
council
meeting
and-
and
I
could
put
something
together
for
showing
the
last
five
years
or
so
what
we've
had
for
the
main
contractors.
Basically,
what
their
prices
have
been.
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B
F
That's
actually
what
I
want
to
come
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
in
two
weeks
about
the
snowgate
discussion,
if
we're
keeping
them
and
expanding
or
if
we're
going
to
look
at
eliminating
them
all
together.
We're
still
planning
I'm
still
set
up
to
move
forward
with
snow
gates,
as
we
have
the
last
several
years.
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B
F
H
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C
C
So
with
that
we
entered
into
a
design
contract
with
idg.
I
guess
I'm,
not
certain
vanessa.
Are
you
on
the
line
here
tonight
with
us
and
if,
if
not
that's?
Okay,
we've
got
the
change
order.
Details
here
that
justin
and
marcy
the
engineering
staff
have
worked
on
in
detail
with
idg
and
with
the
contractors
involved.
C
So
with
that,
we
also
use
the
dot
as
kind
of
a
marker
as
as
how
they
applied
liquidated
damages
and
how
they
applied.
Change.
Orders
in
relation
to
weather
events
and
weather
impacts
on
the
project,
the
main
dot
212
project,
and
we
kind
of
use
them
as
a
marker
for
those
determinations
as
well
to
kind
of
help
got
provide
some
guidance
and
direction.
C
Even
though
we
are
under
our
own
contract
with
reading
construction
and
that's
what
this
change
order
is
for
is
specific
to
the
city's
contract
with
greedy
construction
for
the
sewer
main
work
and
the
reason
I'm
giving
all
this
background.
Information
is
because
that's
how
this
has
evolved
into
the
increase
in
the
contract
amount
due
to
the
extreme
weather
conditions.
C
C
There
was
a
pretty
significant
change
order,
request
that
was
made
on
this
project
for
the
additional
work,
and
that
was
to
the
tune
of
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
through
the
negotiations
with
the
contractor
and
the
subcontractor
we've
settled
on
the
change
orders
before
the
council
tonight
and
staff.
We
really
feel
like
this
is
a
good
positive
way
to
move
forward
to
close
this
project
out.
I
C
Yes,
so
on
the
original
bids,
justin
or
marcy
might
have
the
exact
numbers,
but
they
were
well
under
the
next
low
bidder.
I
believe
to
the
tune
of
two.
I
want
to
say
almost
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
below
the
next
low
bidder,
and
so
this
change
order
amounts
to
bringing
the
total
contract
up
to
four
or
fourteen
four
hundred.
Fourteen
thousand,
roughly
still
leaves
them
the
lowest
bidder
to
the
tune
of
I'm
guessing
at
least
a
hundred
thousand.
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C
Yeah
another
great
question
councilman,
so
that's
it's
hard
to
discern
with
the
way
this
project
was
bid
out.
The
there
are
certain
components
to
the
project
like
dewatering
and
some
of
the
means
and
methods
that
the
contractors
pick
on
their
own
once
they
get
the
project.
You
know
it's
up
to
them:
how
to
carry
those
things
out,
so
we
don't
necessarily
know
for
sure
what
kind
of
a
bypass
pumping
systems
some
of
the
other
contractors
were
planning
to
install
or
planning
to
utilize.
C
E
E
C
Yeah,
no
another
great
question
councilman
and
I'll
never
pretend
to
act
as
a
legal
advisor,
but
as
far
as
a
contract
is
concerned
from
an
engineering
standpoint.
Yes,
this
will
close
the
contract
out
the
indications
from
the
contractor
and
their
sub.
Is
that
they're
amicable
to
this
and
agreeable
to
this?
C
I
I'm
just
curious,
so
how
does
that
work
normally?
If,
if
somebody
is
that
in
our
contract
that
we
write
with
them
just
to
give
them
that
leeway
to
push
for
something,
because
there's
still
a
part
of
me
that
feels
like
they
maybe
should
have
bid
higher
to
start
with
just
in
case
something
like
this
would
have
happened,
which
it
looks
like
the
other
contractors
did
that
so
it's
hard
just
kind
of
an
ethical
way
for
me
to
feel
like
it's
in
the
best
interest.
I
don't
know
to
basically
give
you
a
go
on
this.
I
To
avoid
some
of
the
stuff
from
the
get-go
or
just
like
our
bidding
process
could
have
been
cleaner
or
I
don't
know
what
the
contractor
missed
on
that.
That
really
set
this
up.
I
mean
we
can
blame
weather,
but
if
you
had
a
plan
already
built
in
there
just
in
case
we
ever
have
a
wet
summer
again,
maybe
making
this
a
little
more
avoidable
in
the
future,
because
68
thousand
dollars
isn't
like
a
small
amount.
K
C
You
let
the
process
unfold,
you
let
the
contractor
complete
the
work,
you
you,
you
continue
to
count
the
liquidated
damage
days.
You
continue
to
track
the
weather.
You
continue
to
track
all
the
impacts
on
the
project,
all
the
progress
of
the
work
process,
all
the
regular
pay
applications
and
all
those
things
all
just
the
same.
But
when
you
get
into
a
situation
like
this,
we
do.
We
are
pretty
diligent
on
tracking
all
those
things
and
that's
what
we've
done
with
idg
and
when
you
get
to
the
end.
That's
the
goal.
C
You
no
matter
what
happens
with
any
project.
You
don't
want
to
make
sure
that
the
work
is
complete.
That's
goal
number
one,
and
once
you
get
to
that
point,
then
you
open
up
these
negotiations
to,
and
I
call
it
a
negotiation
because
sometimes
the
change
order
is
pretty
black
and
white,
but
when
you
have
delays
due
to
weather
circumstances
beyond
the
contractor's
control,
your
you're
a
sub
project
underneath
a
parent
project
and
you're.
C
Looking
at
the
parent
project
for
some
guidance
like
like,
for
instance,
with
the
dot,
all
those
things
start
to
kind
of
weigh
into
the
the
decision
making
and
then
what
I
call
the
negotiation
phase
and
that's
exactly
what
happened
here.
When
we
got
into
that
phase,
we
started
to
analyze
what
the
impacts
were.
You
know
what
what
caused
the
delays
with
some
of
that
on
the
contractor's
responsibility?
C
That's
also
an
important
part
of
this
when
I
guess
what
I
can
say
in
my
experience
when
you
there
are
times
where
you
can,
you
can
follow
the
black
and
white
and
and
find
a
ruling
one
way,
but
then
you
get
into
mitigation
and
you
find
out
that
all
the
parties
don't
agree
with
the
way
the
owner
interpreted
the
black
and
white
and
you
end
up
paying
more
in
the
long
run,
and
so
that's
why
this
negotiation
phase,
I
think,
is
an
important
one.
It's
a
critical
one.
A
All
those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay,
carries.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
moving
on
to
old
business.
We
have
10th
avenue
north
discussion
and
proposal
of
final
design
and
I'll.
Let
heath
explain
what
the
consultant
is
recommending
and
then
we'll
have
some
input
on
that
and
if
you
want
to
make
a
motion
at
that
time,
you
can,
but
I
won't
get
one
until
you've
heard
his
presentation.
C
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
and
I
again
I'll
be
relying
on
marcy
here.
She's
gonna
run
a
lot
of
the
discussion,
but
in
a
nutshell,
we've
met.
Initially
we
had
our
public
open
house
which
the
is
aware
of
and
shared
a
lot
of
information
with
the
homeowners
along
10th
avenue
regarding
the
reconstruction
of
that
stretch,
of
roadway,
prevented
a
lot
of
facts
and
information
and
some
of
the
preliminary
design
and
then
subsequently
met
with
each
property
owner
one-on-one.
L
C
L
Can
you
see
my
screen?
Yes,
okay,
so
first,
what
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
about
is
this
is
a
recommendation
from
our
consultant
cdi.
Jason
peterson
put
it
together.
The
first
things
that
we
did
was
we
did
about
three
weeks
of
landowner
meetings
with
all
we
offered
it
to
all
of
them.
Not
all
of
them
were
there,
but
the
majority
did
meet
with
us.
The
things
that
we
went
through
was
notifying
the
number
of
trees
in
the
boulevards
in
front
of
each
property.
L
That
would
potentially
need
to
be
removed
due
to
the
widening
of
the
street,
and
this
was
again
at
our
initial
recommendation
of
widening
to
45
feet.
We
also
talked
about
the
temporary
construction
easements
that
would
be
required
to
grade
back
to
the
sidewalk
and
also
for
their
driveways.
That
would
be
affected
by
the
construction.
L
Each
land
owner
was
asked
if
they
had
sprinkler
systems
in
the
right
of
way.
They
were
also
asked
if
they
have
some
sanitary
sewer
issues
if
they
knew
where
their
water
service
was,
and
then
we
did
talk
about
the
existing
street
with
and
how
much
it
would
vary
in
front
of
each
landowner's
property,
so
the
highest
being
around
seven
and
a
half
and
the
lowest
being
around
two
feet.
Each
landowner
was
able
to
ask
questions
at
the
end.
We
gave
the
best
responses
as
we
could,
knowing
with
what
we
knew
other
ones.
L
L
Most
people
were
not
in
favor
of
the
on-street
parking
just
for
concerns
about
snow
removal,
doors,
opening
into
traffic
kids,
not
being
able
to
see
around
cars
different
things
like
that,
then
the
street
with
is
the
second
thing
that
was
most
talked
about.
We
actually
are
recommending
to
go
to
a
38
foot
total
street
with
this
would
be
three
11
foot
lanes
and
then
two
and
a
half
feet
on
each
side
for
new
curve
and
gutter,
and
this
would
follow
the
ash.
L
L
L
The
sidewalks
was
another
thing
that
was
talked
about
in
the
land
owner
meetings.
We
are
still
proposing
to
do
a
full
five
foot
sidewalk
along
the
north
side
of
the
project
limits.
We
would
still
recommend
putting
in
the
ada
ramps
at
all
the
corners
on
the
north
side,
along
with
the
south
side
that
have
connecting
sidewalks
going
north.
L
The
curb
radii.
Actually
was
something
that
most
of
the
landowners
were
really
excited
about,
and
many
of
them
have
had
their
curb
and
gutter
destroyed
over
time,
just
because
it
is
a
really
sharp
corn
sharp
corner
and
it's
caused
some
drainage
issues.
Others
have
had
boulders
at
the
corners
that
have
actually
been
hit
because
people
are
taking
the
corner
too
tight,
so
they
are
really
excited
about
going
to
that
20,
20-foot,
radii,
the
pedestrian
crossing
and
traffic
safety.
L
We
did
have
a
lot
of
concerns
from
landowners
about
different
points
along
10th
avenue
for
kids,
either
going
to
millet
or
going
to
highland
park.
We
would
recommend
that
we
actually
put
a
rectangular
rapid
flashing
beacon
at
2nd
street
west.
That's
the
main
road
that
most
kids
would
take
to
millet
school.
It's
a
direct
connection
from
the
north
and
it's
also
one
of
those
streets.
That's
becoming
more
traveled
with
the
development
on
the
north
side
of
14th
avenue.
L
L
A
You
marcy
appreciate
that
very
much,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
compromise
and
I
think
I'm
hoping
that
the
neighborhood
would
appreciate
it
as
a
note
of
reference
for
everybody.
Council
members
included
38
feet
is
narrower
than
our
narrowest
new
street
standard,
most
of
the
new
streets
that
we
have
up
in
eastwoods
and
river
ridge
are
actually
a
little
bit
like
16
inches
wider
than
this,
and
those
are
just
you
know,
even
the
cul-de-sacs.
A
B
A
A
So
it
goes
all
over
the
place
and
currently,
if
you
want
to
put
in
a
brand
new
neighborhood
in
where
there
it
doesn't
exist,
a
street.
Currently
you
have
to
put
a
our
design
standard,
is
39
feet,
4
inches
compared
to
38
feet,
so
some
of
our
older
streets
like
this
one,
we
did
have
a
31
foot
section,
but
that's
pretty
unusual
the
streets
all
over
town-
and
you
know
they
vary-
that
you
can
kind
of
date
them
by
when
they
were
constructed.
Councilman
buehler
thanks
mayor.
B
I
just
want
to
applaud
the
engineering
folks
for
doing
this
research
and
I
think
it
was
definitely
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
do
believe
that
this
is
an
excellent
compromise
for
the
landowners
and
for
for
the
city
to
build
this
street
correctly
and
and
save
some
trees
along
the
way
too
yeah.
But
so.
A
A
K
K
On
12th
and
you
go
on
kiwanis
up
to
18th
street
and
18th
street
takes
you
to
sanford
hospital
and,
as
I
recall,
making
that
trip
a
number
of
times
it's
through
a
residential
area,
and
I
I
think
that
probably
the
street
widths
are
fairly
similar
to
ours.
They
certainly
don't
have
three
lane
traffic,
they
don't
have
turning
lanes
and
yet
I've
never
found
any
problem.
As
far
as
the
traffic
is
concerned,
I
know
that
for
our
family
and
and
for
others
that
have
talked
since
this
newspaper
article
came
out.
K
K
K
I
can't
count
the
number
of
times
I've
seen
people
going
way
too
fast
on
10th
avenue
and
failing
to
stop
at
the
at
the
stop
sign
at
the
corner
of
10th
and
maple.
They
go
right
through
it.
Sometimes
they
realize
that
they
they
are
going
too
fast
and
can't
get
stopped
and
they
knock
down
the
stop
sign
at
that
intersection.
K
K
I've
visited
one
house
on
the
tenth
avenue
where
they
have
a
gunsmith
shop
in
the
in
the
back,
and
I
looked
at
those
trees
and
they
are
two
very
unusual
trees.
I
don't
they're
huge,
I'm
afraid
that
they
would
be
taken,
and
I
but
I
think,
they're
mountain
ash,
but
they
are
huge,
huge,
beautiful
trees.
K
A
Thank
you,
mr
austin,
and
we
will
do
our
very
best
to
save
as
many
of
the
trees
that
we
can,
that
is
a
beautiful
neighborhood
and
for
the
record
I
just
pulled
up.
18Th
street
in
sioux
falls
by
sanford
hospital.
There's
a
center
turn
lane
and
it's
I
don't
know
what
the
width
is,
because
I
can't
measure
it
on
google
map,
but
I
can
see
the
center
turn
lane
all
down
the
street,
so
it's
at
least
three
lanes.
H
Speak
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name
is,
and
I
live
on
the
corner
of
10th
avenue.
81.
and
I've
been
there
for
quite
a
while
too,
and
I
can't
see
a
turning
lane
being
an
issue
there.
I
don't
think
we
need
one
I'd
hate
to
see
all
the
parking
on
the
south
side
because
north
side,
whatever,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people-
that
safety
wise,
I
think
you're
going
to
have
a
problem
with
it,
because
people
are
going
to
be
running
india
and
when
the
snow
starts
coming
down.
It
gets
really
icy
on
that
road.
H
C
H
H
The
water
and
the
sewer
system
could
be
brought
up
to
date
because
it
is
bad
and
I'm
one
of
them
that
goes
kitty
corner
across
from
my
house.
It
goes
halfway
down
the
road,
so
that
is
a
big
problem.
The
sewer
system
is,
but
I
just
cannot
see
putting
a
turning
lane
on
there
and
upsetting
a
lot
of
people
that
live
up
there.
The
trees
we
understand
part
of
them
aren't
good.
I
understand
that
part,
but
there
are
some
that
are,
and
I
hope
you
keep
as
many
as
you
can,
because
that's.
B
H
M
M
I
do
appreciate
the
time
you
guys
have
taken.
I
know
councilman
volume
I've
taken
up
a
lot
of
your
time,
sometimes
with
phone
calls
on
councilman
rodemski
you're
in
my
ward
as
well.
So
I
appreciate-
and
I
know
how
busy
you
guys
are-
and
you
guys
have
always
been
good
about
getting
back
to
me
or
other
council
members
when
I
emailed
or
called
so
with
this.
M
You
know
I
would
tell
you
the
the
first
proposal
when,
when
people
attended
that
meeting,
you
know,
I
think
people
were
very
civil
and
cordial
everybody
wore
mass,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
sticker
shock
with
the
information
that
was
presented
at
the
wellness
center.
That
night,
I'm
happy
to
see
that
we're
moving
in
a
direction
where
we're
considering
maybe
some
of
those
concerns
that
we're
not
part
of
the
original
proposal
of
45
feet.
M
You
know,
november
to
april,
usually
so
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
when
you
remove,
even
though
the
boulevard
is
considered
city
property
people
do
treat
that
as
their
own,
and
you
know
if
you
remove
that
space,
there's
other
still
issues
by
properties
and
so
on.
So
I
do
ask
that
you
look
at
all
of
the
factors
you
know
in
terms
of
the
turning
lane.
M
M
C
C
The
issues
at
hand
is
we've
got
a
small
handful
of
these
streets
where
three
to
four,
sometimes
maybe
five
of
these
houses
are
all
on
one
shared
sewer
service
line
and
marcy
could
pull
up
a
map
and
share
a
screen.
We
kind
of
talk
more
detail.
What
we're
looking
at
here,
but
all
these
shared
service
lines
then
tie
into
the
side
street
sewer
mains,
because
10th
doesn't
hardly
have
any
sewer
mains
running
underneath
it.
C
C
C
One
two,
five
ten
fifteen
years
from
now
all
things
we'd
just
soon
like
to
try
to
prevent
from
happening.
So
that's
the
conundrum,
that's
kind
of
come
up.
That's
probably
the
biggest
talking
point
tonight
that
we
wanted
some
direction
from
the
council
on
you
know
conventionally
we
would.
We
would
move
forward
with
extending
the
mains
installing
the
services
properly
and
assessing
those
costs
back
to
the
homeowners.
C
A
Thank
you,
and
I
I
would
like
to
add.
The
council
does
not
have
to
make
that
decision
right
now
that
this
hasn't
even
been
designed
yet,
and
you
there's
time
for
you
to
think
it
through
and
look
into
past
practices
and
just
see
how
we've
done
it
and
see
dan
has
his
hand
up
dan.
Did
you
want
to
say
something.
K
A
week
ago,
when
we
were
talking
you
had
mentioned,
there's
going
to
be
another
street
car
survey
done
on
10th
avenue.
Is
there
any
more
talk
about
that?
Is
that
going
to
happen?
There
seems
to
be
such
a
wide
variance
of
how
many
cars
use
10th
avenue
per
day.
I
mean
I've
heard
three
thousand
four
thousand
five
thousand
seven
thousand,
I'm
just
curious
as
to.
K
If
there's
there
is
a
follow-up
as
far
as
numbers
of
cars,
which
could
make
a
difference
in
my
mind
as
to
how
much
room
you
need
for
cars
to
pass
through,
and
there
is
a
nice
turning
line
up
by
the
hospital
by
the
way
already
built
there.
That
must
be
the
45
foot
lot
or
45
foot
wide
road.
There
there's
a
nice
turning
lane
there
already
built
in
so.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you.
Councilman.
The
additional
traffic
counts
that
councilman
albertson
is
referring
to
are
in
relation
to
our
transportation
master
plan,
that's
underway.
They
are
anticipating,
doing
counts
here
next
week.
Hdrs
are
consultants
on
that
project
and
their
subcontractor
will
be
doing.
C
So,
if
you
can
imagine
or
traffic
a
month
ago,
compared
to
today
on
10th
after
schools
now
in
in
session,
there's
obviously
some
fluctuations
throughout
the
year,
depending
on
the
season
that
we're
in
and
so
some
of
the
numbers
that
we've
seen
on
some
of
the
maps
have
been
as
high
as
7
000
vehicles
per
day.
I'm
guessing
that
was
in
one
of
the
peaks
peak
times
of
year.
C
School
was
in
session
might
have
been
a
lot
of
different
hospital
traffic
due
to
expansions
or
things
of
that
nature,
I'm
not
sure,
but
then
the
other
average,
the
more
average
numbers
we're
seeing
are
around
that
4
4548
vehicles
per
day
is
where
it
seems
to
be
most
averaged
on
the
data
that
we've
looked
at,
but
we
will
well
we'll
have
that
hdr
data
it'll
probably
be
a
good
few
weeks
out
before
we
have
any
good
usable
data
from
them,
but
definitely
something
that
we
could.
We
could
look
at.
C
I
think
you
know
moving
forward
potentially
with
what
we've
explained
tonight
would
be
the
appropriate
thing
to
do,
and
if
we
see
anything
stark,
any
stark
numbers
from
our
new
traffic
recent
traffic
data,
we
could
definitely
bring
that
to
light
share
it
with
the
council
and
help
alleviate
any
concerns.
At
that
point,.
A
J
J
J
I
personally
drive
on
some
wider
streets
that
don't
have
the
turn
lanes
and
I
I
noticed
myself
driving
faster
on
those
compared
to
the
streets
that
have
more
traffic
and
the
narrower
lanes
and
turn
lanes.
And
so
the
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
with
all
the
varying
different
widths
on
this
street.
It's
important
that
we
pick
one
one
section
through
the
whole
thing
to
have
varying
widths
on
the
street
creates
an
unsafe
condition,
and
we
to
reconstruct
this
thing.
J
G
One
of
the
things
I
did
find
out
after
learning
more
about
streets
than
I
thought.
I
never
thought
I
would
that,
even
if
we
go
through
now
and
fix
the
road
which
is
what
most
of
the
people
I've
talked
to
want
to
see,
is
that
the
road
gets
fixed.
The
crown
is
pretty
high
and
there's
cracks
and
plenty
of
repair
items
on
there
even
doing
that.
G
It's
not
going
to
alleviate
us
from
having
to
remove
trees
simply
because
the
way
the
roots
grow
and
when
you
start
taking
out
behind
you
know
the
curb
and
curb
and
gutter
you're
gonna
have
to
pull
some
of
that
out
behind
there
to
make
sure
that
it
is
correctly
done.
So
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
see
everything
stay,
I
mean
we're
gonna
make
some
changes
either
way,
and
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
you
you
have
to
bite
the
ball
down,
some
of
them
and
unfortunately,
we're
going
to
lose.
G
E
L
Yeah
this
is
marcy.
I
can
touch
on
that,
so
we
talked
to
each
of
the
landowners
that
this
could
affect.
We
did
not
have
a
cost
at
the
time
that
we
met
with
all
the
landowners,
so
we
did
not
make
them
aware
of
what
that
was
going
to
cost
them,
potentially,
if
we
move
forward
with
this,
and
but
we
did
talk
to
them
individually
and
showed
them
that
map
that
I
presented
while
heath
was
talking
so
that
they
could
see
where
their
lines
go,
where
we
know
their
lines
go
for
sure.
E
L
B
C
G
C
G
A
A
Then
they
hire
the
contractor
to
do
the
work
when
it's
so
extensive
and
there's
so
many
of
them.
I
don't
think
that's
a
good
idea
in
this
case.
I
think
we'd
want
to
hire
the
contractor
and
be
involved
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
another
contractor
in
there
mucking
the
work
up
of
our
prime
contractor,
so
we
haven't
required
people
necessarily
to
take
a
private
sewer,
like
the
ones
that
you
saw
there,
that
are
running
down
the
boulevard,
a
shared
sewer
to
put
that
out
in
the
street.
A
This
is
the
right
time
to
do
it,
though,
and
I'm
sure,
they're
having
root
problems,
if
they're
out
in
the
boulevard
they're
far
less
likely
to
have
root
problems
with
the
sanitary
sewer
main
out
in
the
street,
rather
than
running
down
the
boulevard
or
between
houses
where
there
tend
to
be
more
trees
and
closer
to
their
sewer.
So
it's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
them
here,
there's
going
to
be
a
savings
not
having
to
do
the
asphalt
repair
and
also
having
the
group
of
you
know
it's
a
scale
factor
in
there.
E
I
agree
completely
that
this
is
a
time
to
get
a
correct.
I
don't
want
to
see
happen
there.
What
has
been
happening
along
south
lake
drive
with
the
water
main
issues
out
there,
the
same
summer
after
we
had
that
totally
milled
and
overlaid
out
there.
We
had
a
number
of
different
places
that
that's
old
water
lines
out
there
from
when
that
was
annexed
in
and
water
mains
breaking
and
the
homeowners
had
to
pay
for
tearing
up
a
brand
new
street,
and
that's
happened
a
number
of
times
out
there.
E
B
I
A
I
Sure,
because
that's
always
one
of
the
things
that
when
it
comes
to
spending
this
kind
of
money
and
doing
these
kinds
of
projects-
yes,
the
road
needs
to
be
redone.
Yes,
we
need
to
redo
the
curb
and
gutter
there.
It's
just
making
sure
that
we
are
in
fact,
actually
solving
an
issue
versus
potentially
creating
a
new
one.
By
changing
it.
I
would
trust
that
it
would
help
adding
the
extra
lane
to
it.
I'm
just
if
we
can
have
some
definable
things
that
we
are
in
fact
improving
there.
I
I
A
You
can
tell
this
is
a
collector
route
by
the
numbers
and
more
people
drive
this
street
than
they
drive
the
typical
neighborhood
streets,
and
they,
you
know,
that's
that's
evident
from
from
just
looking
at
it
and
the
number
of
accidents
as
well.
They,
this
has
a
high
number
of
accidents
relative
to
other
streets,
and
it's
not
the
most
number
of
accidents
on
any
local
street.
I
think
third
avenue
by
the
high
school
has
more
but
other
sections
that
aren't
next
to
you
know
a
place
like
I
won't
say
who
drives
that.
J
A
I
mean
the
31
feet
is
a
pretty
narrow
street.
That's
most
of
our
streets
are
not
that
narrow.
This
38
feet
is
probably
the
most
common
width
that
we
have
in
our
town
for
a
two-lane
street
and
most
the
time
people
are
parking,
but
we're
not
going
to
allow
parking.
So
people
will
see
that
center
turn
lane
and
they'll
be
driving
closer
to
the
curb
and
that's
driving
next
to
the
curb
makes
you
feel
uncomfortable
as
opposed
to
driving
in
a
14
foot
wide
lane,
where
you
feel
like
you,
have
a
lot
of
room.
A
I
actually
I'm
not
I'm
not
excusing.
I
actually
really
don't
know
right,
that's
that's.
What
slows
people
down
is
the
feeling
that
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
like
that
you're
gonna
hit
something
that's
what
we
call
traffic
calming.
Is
that
feeling
that
there's
an
obstruction?
The
curb
is
close
to
your
wheel,
so
people
naturally
will
drive
more
slowly
than
if
you
have
like.
A
Obviously,
if
we
had
two
11
foot
lanes,
people
will
be
crawling,
but
we
don't
do
streets
that
are
22
feet
wide
with
curb
and
gutter
in
them,
the
the
standard
street
for
years
and
years
was
38
feet
from
face
a
curb
to
face
a
curb
and
which
is
this
is
now
it's
39
in
our
design
standards.
This
is
even
narrower,
though,
with
a
back
a
curb
to
back
a
curb
at
38
feet,.
J
A
C
Yeah,
you
know
some
direction
tonight,
at
least
on
the
street
with
would
be
beneficial
to
keep
our
consultant
moving
forward
and
to
keep
on
our
timeline
that
we
had
planned
for
the
sewer
design
and
the
sewer
determinations.
You
know,
maybe
by
the
next
meeting
we
can
finalize
those
as
far
as
whether
to
move
forward
with
the
sewer
main
extensions
and
how
we
would
handle
the
costs.
C
But
if
tonight
we
could,
we
can
touch
on
and
get
some
direction
on.
The
the
street
lane
determinate
the
street
width,
determinations
that'd,
be
great
and
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
clarity
to
that.
Because
of
the
questions
that
are
being
presented
here
today,
you
know
we
are
widing
the
streets.
The
street
will
become
wider,
that
that's
that's
a
fact,
but
I
think
some
of
the
discussion
gets
a
little
bit
muddled.
C
So
the
driving
lane
that
we
will
have
on
this
new
section
ends
up
only
being
11
feet
wide
right
now,
we've
got
15
to
16
foot
wide
driving
lanes,
because,
if
you
imagine
that
whole
31
32
foot
street
that's
out
there,
we've
got
two
lanes
you
you
can
picture
a
center
line,
even
though
it's
not
striped
picture
a
center
line
right
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
You
got
essentially
two
15
to
16
foot
lanes,
which
is
a
pretty
wide
lane
that
allows
people.
I
A
I
A
M
M
M
M
That
would
just
be
one
point
of
observation
living
on
the
street
right
there,
the
other.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is.
I
would
challenge
you
guys
again
just
think
about
when
you
drive
that
street.
You
know
if
you're
putting
a
turning
lane
in,
because
you
think
traffic
is
being
backlogged,
most
people
who
turn
if
you
drive
that
street.
You
maybe
wait
five
seconds
for
the
person
to
turn.
M
If
there
is
an
oncoming
car
and
you
go
besides
holy
name
getting
out
at
9,
30
and
11
30
every
sunday
morning
and
if
you're
racing
to
work
at
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning,
the
traffic
on
the
street
does
flow
pretty
well.
So
those
are
just
some
things
to
think
about,
but,
like
I
said
my,
my
concern
would
be
that
people
are
now
driving
closer
to
the
curb,
with
smaller
boulevards.
C
E
C
K
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
have
a
question,
maybe
for
heath,
because
I'm
really
glad
to
see
that
we're
not
talking
about
parking
on
the
south
side
anymore,
how
much
of
the
land
would
those
people
I'm
sure
you've
driven
by
it
many
times
the
parking
and
the
driveways
and
close
to
the
houses
and
all
that,
if
it's
a
38
foot
wide
street,
how
much
would
the
people
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
lose,
and
I
know
it
varies
from
if
it's
already
38
feet
zero?
C
J
J
B
J
Thank
you,
mayor
heath
or
anyone
who
would
I.
This
is
just
a
request
for
information.
I
would
like,
because
you
guys
are
experts.
I
would
like
some
information
showing
how
the
lane
width
would
have
the
calming
effect,
because
I'm
not
an
expert
in
this
area,
but
I've
been
reading
some
studies
where
they
say
like
wider
streets,
promotes
faster
traffic
and
actually
could
increase
the
dangers.
But
I
know
that
you
have
thought
about
this,
so
I
guess
just
for
my
own
information.
J
A
I
Well,
I
think
it
just
ties
back
to
kind
what
councilman
helene
brought
up
to.
I
think
we
just
need
to
define
the
problems
that
definitively
show
that
this
is
very
much
what
needs
to
happen
versus
something
we're
choosing
to
happen
and
just
going
over
some
of
those
facts
to
support
it,
I
think,
would
be
important,
otherwise
it's
hard
to
say
like
change
it,
but
I
think
if
we
can
show
a
little
bit
more
and
just
do
a
little
bit
more
education
for
us,
that
would
be
great.
J
J
C
C
B
B
B
G
I
think
heath
for
some
of
us
would
be
maybe
just
seeing
how
that's
going
to
look
where,
where
it's
going
to
affect
how
many
landowners
are
going
to
be
affected
on
their
boulevards
and
and
you
know
where
that
road's
going
to
be.
If
we
have
a
38
foot
width,
we'll
have
a
relatively
good
idea,
I
mean,
obviously
it
doesn't
have
to
be
too
scaled.
But
you
know
it's
going
to
take
a
couple
feet
off
this
side
and
three
feet
off
that
side,
and
I
mean
that's
that's.
G
What
we
want
to
know
is
how
that's
going
to
affect
the
overall
and
what
people
are
talking
about
is
the
neighborhood,
but
the
neighborhood
is
the
entire
northeast
corner
of
that
of
that.
So
how
does
it
affect
each
individual
home?
I
mean.
Obviously
I
don't
want
to
you
know
rendition
of
each
house,
but
just
each
section
of
it
is
going
to
move
this
road
a
couple
feet
here,
a
couple
feet
there
and
then
you
know
just
kind
of
how
it
how
it
overall
flows.
I
The
only
other
thing
to
that
effect
heath.
It
would
be
great
if
we
just
had
that
overhead
view,
even
if
it's
just
a
google
earth
view
of
the
road
and
then
see
an
overlay
of
what
that
38
looks
like
on
that,
so
we
can
actually
see
what
it
cuts
into
and
what
it
doesn't
cut
into
and
then
the
ones
that
are
wider
than
that,
where
it's
going
to
pull
forward
to
just
so,
we
can
really
physically
see
what
it
is
great.