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Public Works, Finance & Safety Committee Meeting - 10-05-2020
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B
C
A
A
All
those
opposed
signify
by
saying
a
motion
carries
item.
Four
is
the
public
input
period
and
this
is
the
time
reserved
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
to
step
forward
and
do
so
and
then
please
state
your
name
to
the
microphone
for
the
record.
If
your
comment
is
related
to
an
agenda
item,
please
wait
until
the
agenda
item
is
taken
up
by
the
council.
So
anyone
who
cares
to
speak.
A
A
All
those
posts
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item.
Six
is
the
regular
agenda
and
a
is
approval
of
a
bid
award
for
the
airport
fuel
farm
expansion
project
to
sue
equipment
in
the
amount
of
114
thousand
six
hundred
twenty
six
dollars.
Fifty
six
cents
and
authorized
the
mayor
to
sign
all
applicable
documents,
a
motion
by
lollum
and
a
second
by
rademski,
and
I
will
ask
the
city
public
works,
director
and
city
engineer
heath
von
nai.
To
tell
us
about
this.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
This
is
a
familiar
item
here
before
the
council
this
evening
and
relates
to
the
fuel
farm
expansion
out
at
the
watertown
regional
airport.
D
As
we've
discussed
in
the
past
about
accomplishing
this
project,
we
had
initially
planned
on
doing
it
in
2020,
with
early
on
in
the
year
with
some
existing
212
funds
and
some
fuel
tax
money
that
we
have
residing
over
in
the
state
coffers.
D
But
since
then
covet
is
set
on
and
we
put
the
project
on
hold
and
another
transformation.
That
happened
is
that
the
aty
aviation
became
a
what's
called
a
caa
preferred
fixed
based
operator.
Caa
is
a
corporate
aircraft
association,
and
what
this
being
a
preferred
fbo
does.
Is
it
puts
them
on
the
radar
pun
intended?
I
suppose,
in
this
case,
to
make
them
a
desirable
location
for
multiple
aircrafts
to
land
here
and
and
buy
fuel
from
the
watertown
airport.
D
So
since
since
covet
came
on
that
that
traffic
and
since
this
preferred
based
operator
designation
was
given
to
us
that
traffic
has
increased
and
our
fuel
capacity
at
the
airport
is
not
quite
sufficient
enough
to
where
the
operators
are
comfortable
to
continue
operations.
Like
this,
so
the
other
thing
that's
changed
since
then
is
some
of
the
funding
we've
received
at
the
airport
through
the
cares
act
and
the
specific
funding
dedicated
to
airports
for
improvements
such
as
this
that
are
related
to
the
operations
of
the
airport.
D
So,
since
our
last
discussion
we
had
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
had
proposed
the
council
that
we
go
ahead
and
put
this
out
for
a
bit
and
get
it
constructed
yet
this
year,
and
now,
where
we're
at
today
is
making
recommendation
of
a
bid
award
to
sue
equipment
and
the
amount
of
just
over
114
thousand
dollars.
D
The
current
capacity
at
the
facility
is
about
9,
600
gallons.
D
The
expansion
project
will
add
an
additional
20,
000
gallons
of
storage.
This
will
be
a
dual
lined
fuel
tank
addition
to
the
facility
and
therefore
meets
the
containment
measures
that
have
to
be
in
place
for
any
feeling.
Facilities
such
as
this
todd,
syrey
airport
manager
is
not
able
to
be
here
with
us
tonight,
but
I
believe,
helms
and
associates
is
on
the
line
with
us
and
if
there's
any
questions,
either
myself
or
them
could
help
answer
them.
A
C
Phil
me,
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken
or
the
the
cares
funding
we
received,
was
it
a
million
dollar
allocation
here
a
few
months
ago?
Is
this
coming
out
of
that,
or
is
this
a
separate
allocation
or
grant
being
given
to
us
through
the
cares
funding.
D
Yes,
that
that's
a
good
question
the
this
funding
would
be
drawn
from
that
million-dollar
allocation
and
kristen.
If
you
could
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
but
that's
my
understanding.
D
No,
we
didn't
get
any
specific
feedback
from
the
consultant.
On
that
I
know
we
we
did
review
the
bids
and
they
seem
to
be.
D
The
low
bidder
did
seem
to
be
appropriately
providing
what
was
requested
in
the
bid,
and
so
that's
anytime.
We
see
discrepancy
like
that.
That's
one
of
the
first
things
we
look
at
is
whether
the
low
bidder
that
we're
proposing
to
go
with
has
met
all
the
specifications
in
the
bid
and
sue
equipment
did
indeed
do
that.
A
So,
okay,
so
are
we
doing
this
directly
from
cares
funding,
or
is
this
going
to
be?
I
can't
remember
how
you
explained
it,
but
I
didn't
think
we
were
using
care's
money
for
it
directly.
B
Right,
I
guess
the
clarification
is
that
we,
when
we
signed
in
for
the
cares
funding
with
the
airport,
it
was
under
the
operational
piece.
So
currently
I
am
seeking
reimbursements
to
cover
the
personnel
and
the
operational,
and
that's
just
the
kind
of
the
maintenance
part
stuff
like
that.
So
I
can't
fully
say
that
I
will
use
this
project
as
a
way
of
getting
the
reimbursement,
but
regardless
the
additional
million
dollars
will
be
essentially
offsetting
this
project
right.
A
D
The
completion
dates.
Okay,
I
don't
have
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
keith.
B
Absolutely
they're
planning
on
getting
it
done
before
the
end
of
this
year
december
31st
is
the
completion
date
and
to
let
everybody
know
on
the
just.
B
Our
estimate
todd
had
gotten
a
quote
for
this
work
to
get
completed
over
a
year
ago
and
that
that
price
was
about
107
000,
so
the
low
bidder
was
was
much
more
in
line
with
what
we
were,
anticipating
the
cost
to
be
compared
to
what
the
other
higher
veterans
were
so
different
vendors
that
we
he
got,
quotes
from
and
and
everything.
So
it
was
a
pretty
good
price
and
online,
like
I
said,
in
line
with
what
we
were
thinking.
E
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
one,
how
does
this
relate
as
far
as
our
airport
terminal
building,
and
then
I
know
that
that
was
part
of
the
plan
as
well
as
to
do
those
all
around
the
same
time.
Are
we
looking
to
do
that
in
coordination
with
it,
so
we're
moving
it
to
where
the
new
facility
is
going
to
be
at
that
time,.
B
B
C
Probably
for
heath
this
question:
is
there
room
for
expansion?
Let's
just
say
that
another
airline
would
come
in
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
know
that.
B
C
B
D
Yeah,
thank
you
councilman
albertson
brooke.
Could
you
speak
to
that
as
well?
I
know
we're
going
from
9
600
to
20
000,
adding
an
additional
20
000.
So
you
know
we'll
have
just
under
30,
000
gallons.
There
did
helms
size
that
accordingly
for
future
and
subsequent
potential
of
additional
airlines
or
utilizing
this
service.
B
Yeah,
so
the
existing
concrete
pad
that's
there
is
staying
there,
we're
just
moving
a
little
a
few
things
around
to
fit
this
new
tank.
If
we
need
to
expand
the
fuel
farm
beyond
that,
there
is
room
in
the
area.
However,
the
the
pad
itself
will
need
to
be
expanded
in
order
to
accommodate
other
additional
fuel
tanks.
D
And
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
additional
20,
000
gallons,
will
will
set
us
up
adequately
for
quite
quite
some
time
in
the
near
fut
in
the
near
distant
future.
A
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying
nay,
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Brooke
item
b
is
approval
of
the
street
division
per
to
purchase
one
new
unused
2020
john
deere
772
g
motor
grader
for
315
668.61
from
rdo
equipment
company
in
sioux
falls
south
dakota
via
a
minnesota
state
bid
motion
by
lawlum
this
second
by
bill
hauer.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
As
you
mentioned,
this
is
off
another
state
bid
and,
of
course,
state
statute
allows
us
to
buy
off
other
government
agencies
bids
which
we
commonly
exercise
the
benefit
of
doing
that
so
long.
As
you
know,
the
bid
seems
reasonable
and,
like
a
it's,
a
it's
a
good
fair
deal
for
the
community
to
to
entertain
purchasing
off
of
any
such
bid.
D
So
that's
something
that
the
street
superintendent
rob
boehner
has
done
the
homework
on
and
has
researched
this
particular
motor
grader
and
the
pricing
of
it
being
well.
Within
his
budget
we
have
about
325
000,
budgeted
in
2020
for
the
purchase
of
a
new
motor
grader.
This
one
coming
in
approximately
a
little
under
ten
thousand
dollars
less
than
that
budget
amount.
A
B
D
I
thank
you
mayor.
If
you
recall,
we
just
recently
executed
a
final
change
order
on
the
construction
contract
with
reedy
construction.
J
j
earthworks
was
our
subcontractor
that
did
the
brunt
of
the
work
on
our
project,
but
our
contract
was
with
reedy
that
final
change
order
was
was
processed.
We
were
able
to
make
final
payment
on
the
contract
with
them
now
another
one
of
the
strings
we
needed
to
tie
up
on.
This
was
the
contract.
With
our
engineer,
our
consultant
engineer,
idg
right
here
in
watertown,
is
the
consultant
on
this
project.
D
If
you
recall
back
to
the
previous
change
order
discussion
in
our
recollection
of
the
construction
season
that
we
had
to
endure
for
this
work
to
happen,
it
was
under
some
less
than
desirable
construction
conditions,
weather
conditions,
and
it
delayed
the
work
for
quite
some
time.
While
it
also
not
only
delayed
the
work,
which
means
you
know,
the
contractor
wasn't
working.
Neither
was
our
consultant,
but
it
also
prolonged
the
work.
D
The
consult
or
the
contractor
had
to
put
in
a
rather
robust
bypass
pumping
system
to
pump
the
flowing
sanitary
sewer
around
the
bridge
work
ahead
of
putting
in
the
final
sewer
pipe.
So
there
was
a
bit
of
an
extension
and
work
that
had
to
be
done
there
and
had
to
be
overseen
by
our
engineer
through
idg
and
then
subsequent
to
that,
the
actual
permanent
pipe
install
and
the
work
that
was
associated
with
that
took
quite
a
bit
longer
than
the
projected
10
days
that
they
initially
thought
again.
D
D
Justin
peterson
assistant
city,
engineer,
who's
online
tonight
and
then
vanessa
victor
from
idg
is
also
online
with
us
and
can
talk
about
any
details
here
that
we,
I
will
note
that
we
did
review
their
contract
and
we
did
negotiate
a
little
bit
on
some
of
the
time.
There
was
a
couple
corrections
or
some
some
time
reduction
that
was
made
as
opposed
to
the
original
change
order
amount
and,
what's
before
the
council
tonight,
is
what
staffs
reviewed
and
would
recommend
for
approval.
A
E
D
One
one
contract
with
the
engineer
and
then
a
separate
one
with
the
contractor.
That's
correct.
E
Okay,
so
on
frankly
on
whose
dime
was
it
that
you
know,
is
it
because
of
weather
only
that
we
have
all
this
extra
work
that
had
to
be
completed.
D
You
know:
that's
it's
a
fair
assessment
to
see
that,
for
all
the
reasons
that
the
construction
contract
was
extended
all
tie
into
why
an
extension
and
an
increase
on
the
engineering
contract
they're,
definitely
intertwined
and
connected
that
way.
E
D
E
D
Through
negotiations
with
them,
some
of
those
factors
that
we
took
into
account
was
our
known
overruns
on
this
engineering
contract,
so
that
change
where
it
ended
up
being,
I
believe,
in
the
tune
of
60
some
thousand
instead
of
the
almost
200
000
in
that
negotiation,
with
the
contractor,
knowing
we'd,
be
paying
some
amount
of
money
to
the
engineer
as
well.
It
was
all
part
of
that
negotiation
with
the
contractor.
E
Yeah
I
have
no
down
in
my
mind
that
idg
did
the
work,
but
it
just
seems
like
we
went
from
a
budget
of
one
item
and
then
just
blew
it
out
of
the
water.
So
that's
not
typically
how
we
like
to
run
our
projects,
especially
big
or
small.
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
huge
dollar
amount
of
overrun
in
the
whole
scheme
of
it,
so
we
were
at
325
and
went
over
by
89.
Is
that
including
this
portion.
D
In
the
overall
project
summary,
yes,
yes,
that
would
be
a
in
totality.
The
89
000
over
the
budget
at
325
would
include
this
change
order
in
the
previous
change
order
executed
with
the
contractor.
D
A
D
The
so
from
that
three
and
a
quarter,
we
added
on
89
000
worth
of
additional
costs
over
that
three
and
a
quarter.
Those
additional
costs
came
out
of
the
gates
by
the
bid
amount
being
over
and
then
also
the
change
orders
that
we
executed.
D
And
then
the
total
engineering
contract
with
this
amendment
turns
into
eighty
four
thousand
one.
Forty
seven.
A
C
I
guess
I'll
probably
ask
the
same
sort
of
same
question
in
a
different
way
too.
I
mean,
what's
confusing
me.
Is
that
I
I
don't
with
without
knowing
what
the
construction
amount
was.
I
know
what
the
budget
amount
was,
but
what's
confusing
me
is
that
the
engineering
is
we're
approving
a
change
order
of
more
than
twice
as
much
as
the
of
the
as
the
original
contract
amount.
Was
that
that's
disproportionate?
C
No
matter
what
the
the
construction
amount
was
that's
disproportionate
to
what
the
construction
change
order
would
have
been
if
we
would
have
proved
the
whole
thing.
So
I
I
guess
I
have
no
basis
to
com
to
not
allow
what
or
agree
with
what
idg
is
telling
us,
but
that
the
numbers
just
seem
seems
strange.
C
C
D
B
I
would
love
to
thank
you
so
much
heath.
This
is
vanessa
victor
with
infrastructure
design
group.
You
know
we
had
a
really
really
wet
year
last
year.
B
The
way
that
this
project
was
laid
out
was
actually
all
the
sewer
work
was
supposed
to
be
done
before
anything
happened
on
the
bridge,
and
then
we
had
wet
season
what
season,
what
season
so
we're
perpetually
trying
to
come
up
with
a
plan
of
safeguarding
the
sanitary
sewer
line
that
feeds
everything
from
lake
compesca
open
and
still
keep
the
entirety
of
212
and
its
project
on
task.
B
So
throughout
that
there
was
a
lot
of
you
know,
pushing
and
schedule
readjusting
with
the
contractor
to
try
to
keep
all
parties
going
in
the
same
speed.
It
did
allow
for
additional
work,
for
the
contractor
also
allowed
it
for
additional
work
from
us
from
our
standpoint
by
the
time
the
project
was
supposed
to
be
complete,
which
would
have
been
october
of
last
year.
B
Actually,
nothing
in
the
plans
was
actually
done
at
that
time
because
of
high
water.
So,
and
at
that
time
we
were
already
over
our
contract
just
trying
to
get
schedule
and
approving
new
methods
and
means
of
keeping
the
sewer
flowing
and
keeping
the
construction
schedule
on
task.
So
then,
over
the
next
well,
eight
months,
the
project
was
completed
and
it
was
just
a
different
phasing
and
a
different
time
schedule
than
anybody
had
anticipated
going
forward
and
then
also
to
try
to
mitigate
the
contract
dollars
that
you
are
paying.
B
Overall,
we
had
some
additional
oversight
through
that
process.
So
that's
kind
of
the
background
on
on
all
of
this.
So
there
was
an
amendment
that
was
brought
forward
in
february
when
we
could
actually
project
what
we
thought
the
the
price
would
be,
and
then
another
amendment
in
in
june,
and
now
it's
just
finalized
by
this
point.
We
were
just
late
enough
in
the
game.
So
not
necessarily
what
we
like
to
do,
having
amendments
after
the
fact,
especially
with
the
sticker
shock,
and
especially
with
this
dollar
figure.
B
But
this
one
is
a
pretty
good.
Just
unknown,
had
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
out
and
get
the
project
open.
D
In
one
way
to
look
at
the
construction
contract
in
that
reduction
that
I
talked
about
earlier,
that
was
negotiated
down
is
in
theory
those
negotiated
costs
that
we
that
we
worked
out
of
that
contract
in
effect
help
us
pay
for
overruns
on
this
contract
they're,
not
necessarily
on
a
dollar
per
dollar
basis.
I
mean.
D
Obviously,
we
took
a
lot
more
than
than
the
58
000
amendment
to
this
contract
out
of
the
construction
contract,
but
we
felt
that's
what
was
negotiated
based
on
the
progression
of
work
and
and
the
the
conditions
that
were
encountered
and
everything
considered.
D
D
Talking
with
the
contractor
and
the
sub
contractor
about
the
conditions
and
about
their
plans
and
about
their
schedules
that
evolved
almost
on
a
weekly,
if
not
for
sure,
a
monthly
basis,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
time
on
the
consultant's
end
as
well.
With
that
coordination
with
the
contractor,
in
addition
to
the
boots
on
the
ground
inspection
work,
that
was
done.
E
Heath-
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
up
here-
are
trying
to
say
that
idg
didn't
do
the
work.
It's
just
when
you
see
from
a
325
budget
item
to
472
thousand
dollars,
it's
147
000
over
what
the
budget
amount
is.
I
mean
that's
shocking,
no
matter
what
what
industry
you're
in
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
is
done.
The
way
it
should
have
been
done
and
I
know
there's
unknown
anytime.
You
do
construction,
but
you
know
yeah.
D
D
We
found
out
late
from
the
d.o.t
that
our
sewer
main
was
in
fact
in
the
way
of
their
of
their
highway
bridge
reconstruction,
and
so
it
kind
of
got
dumped
on
the
city
to
get
it
fixed
and
out
of
the
way
in
a
short
matter
of
time,
and
so
I
think
that
again
I
don't
know
exactly
where
the
number
came
from,
but
from
budgetary
purposes
it
it
might
have
just
been
a
you
know,
rough
and
dirty
number
that
was
thrown
at
the
budget
and
then,
of
course,
we
knew
coming
in
to
the
bid
how
that
was
going
to
compare
with
the
budget,
and
it
didn't
quite
line
up
based
on
the
bids.
D
C
F
The
original
bid
price
is
three
hundred.
F
B
D
C
Just
want
to
echo
what
adam
said
in
vanessa,
I
guess
I
I
I'll
apologize.
I
didn't
make
it
something
make
it
sound
like.
I
was
being
critical
of
you
or
your
firm.
We've
worked
enough
with
you
and
your
firm
that
I
apologize
if
I
came
off
kind
of
strong
a
while
ago,
but
I
but
I
the
same
same
answer
as
adam,
that
I
just
we
just
needed
to
dig
into
the
numbers
a
bit.
A
Motion
carries
item
d,
is
approval
of
the
certificate
of
completion
for
the
development
improvements
for
comprehensive
logistics
company
inc
located
in
the
calvin
industrial
park
installed
by
crest,
stone
companies
on
behalf
of
the
developer,
watertown
development
company
motion
by
lollum
and
a
second
by
player
heath
tell
us
about
this.
Please.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
This
is
out
in
the
calvin
industrial
park
and
some
of
the
public
improvements
that
were
installed
included,
work
on
17th
avenue
and
which,
which
will
become
a
public
street
that
enters
into
the
industrial
park
area
that
serves,
I
believe,
currently
there's
three
or
four
lots
planted
along
this
stretch
of
roadway.
D
There
was,
of
course,
concrete,
paving
and
base
course
that
were
installed
for
the
public
street
and
the
curb
and
gutter
section,
and
then
also
some
storm
sewer
improvements
with
storm
drain
inlets
and
a
storm
sewer
of
different
sizes
throughout
the
project,
and
this
is,
if
you
recall,
in
our
development
process,
this
is
one
of
the
first
steps
in
closing
out
any
subdivision
or
development
improvements
where
we
do
an
inspection,
complete,
an
inspection
on
site
with
the
developer
and
their
engineer
and
staff
makes
a
report
of
any
any
of
the
public
facilities
that
are
not
complete
any
of
the
public
improvements
that
need
work
or
things
addressed.
D
D
D
I
will
note
that
there
was
some
premature
cracking
on
a
few
of
the
concrete
slabs
in
the
street
sections,
so
you'll
see
in
the
background
summary
that
an
additional
up
to
five
year
warranty
was
given
to
us
by
the
by
the
developer
and
their
contractor,
and
the
the
premature
cracking
wasn't
detrimental
enough
to
where
we
as
staff
felt
that
it
needed
to
be
replaced.
D
But
it
is
something
that
we
require
them
to
route
and
seal
and
and
we'll
be
monitoring.
Throughout
this
extended
warranty
period.
D
The
cracking
was
pretty
common
to
what
you
would
see
with
some
hairline
cracking
that
you'll
sometimes
see
on
concrete
work
and
it
wasn't
faulted
or
or
separated
to
an
extent
that
we
felt
needed
replaced,
and
sometimes,
when
you
cut
into
a
new
road
like
this,
to
replace
a
section
of
concrete,
you
do
more
harm
than
you
do
good.
So
we
thought
this
was
a
good,
viable
option
to
give
an
extended
warranty
and
get
it
sealed
up
for
now
and
we'll
continue
to
monitor
it
through
that
warranty
period.
C
Not
a
question
on
this
heath,
but
I'm
assuming
what
what
you
just
explained
to
us
we're
going
to
be
seeing
more
of
these
come
through
here
in
the
in
the
future.
I
know,
what's
a
little
more
honest
on
us,
but
I
I
think
this
will
resolve
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
had
with
problems
that
have
come
up
down
the
road,
but
also
we
got
to
drag
the
developer
back
into
it
again.
So
I
I
like
this.
D
Yes,
absolutely
councilman
vilhauer.
It
is
just
part
of
those
formalities
of
closing
out
the
process
of
a
development
that
includes
public
improvements
and,
I
think,
a
very
critical
step
in
that
process
so
that
it
it
gets
the
improvements
off
the
developers,
books
and
formally
into
the
city's
books
in
a
in
a
well
thought
out,
checked
off
process.
E
Councilman
lollum
not
to
mention
that
it's
now
in
record.
So
if
you
ever
have
an
issue
and
it
needs
to
come
back-
you
can
say
it
was
disgusting
and
accepted
on
the
state.
So
I
think
from.
I
think
this
is
one
of
your
positions
that
you
guys
have
been
trying
to
get
forward
as
a
way
to
formalize
your
your
processes
through
subdivisions
and
things
correct.
D
The
mayor
could
probably
speak
to
the
history
on
that
better
than
I
could,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
wanted
to
pick
up
and
formalize
and
and
implement
again
yep.
Thank
you.
C
A
D
Thank
you
mayor.
This
is
one
of
I
believe
three
four
total
projects
that
we're
working
with
fema
on
the
other
three
have
already
been
before
the
council
and
approved
and
have
moved
forward
to
a
state
of
obligated
funds.
As
far
as
fema
is
concerned,
this
last
one
relates
to
the
existing
culverts
up
on
third
avenue
northeast.
D
That's,
if
you
recall
it's
a
gravel
road
on
the
north
side
of
the
dakota
commons
subdivision
it
that
runs
east
and
west
there.
The
culverts
up
there
been
in
a
state
of
distress
here
for
probably
a
good
handful
of
years
and
need
a
replacement,
but
the
the
weather
conditions
that
the
the
storm
event
and
high
water
conditions
amplified
the
condition
of
these
culverts
to
a
point
that
fema
agreed
that
they
would
be
eligible
for
fema
funding,
and
this
is
a
formality
to
get
this.
D
D
They've
requested
that
these
funds
be
spent
by
december
7th
the
work
be
completed
by
december
7th
based
on
recent
calls
that
we've
made
it
looks
like
our
contractor's
availability
is
not
going
to
accommodate
that
december
7th
deadline.
So
that's
something
that
we
would
work
with
fema
on
to
extend
that
deadline,
but
still
be
covered
under
their
funding.
D
So
tonight,
two
two
parts
of
the
motion
want
us
to
commit
that
50
grand
up
to
50
grand
up
front
for
this
cost,
of
which
40
40
000
roughly
is
available
for
fema
reimbursement
and
then
the
second
part
is
the
approval
of
us
to
apply
for
an
extension
of
the.
D
That'll
be
on
a
reimbursement
basis.
That's
the
40
0489
is
based
on
quotes
that
we
received
from
contractors
to
do
this.
This
work.
A
A
You
had
asked
heath
some
questions
and
he
did
some
research
and
I
think
he'll
be
looking
for
some
head
nodding
from
you
on
how
to
move
forward
at
the
end
of
this.
So
after
he
gives
his
presentation,
I
guess
I'll.
Let
heath
ask
you
the
questions
that
he
needs
answers
to
in
order
to
move
forward,
so
go
ahead.
Heath.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I've
got.
Let
me
pull
up.
My
information
here
quickly
got
our
thoughts
all
gathered
here.
We
appreciate
the
previous
conversations
we've
had
not
only
with
the
council,
but
this
the
residents
and
citizens
along
10th
avenue
north,
and
we
had
a
very
productive,
open
house
kickoff
with
them
here
a
couple
months
back
now,
it's
been
maybe
a
few
months
ago,
and
then
we
went
through
a
series
of
one-on-one
meetings
with
the
landowners
along
this
route.
D
It's
essentially
a
nine
block
stretch
of
tenth
avenue
north
that
starts
at
fourth
street
northwest
and
runs
east
to
highway
81..
Tonight
we
have
some
follow-up
information
that
the
council
asked
for
at
the
previous
meeting.
Some
of
that
included
some
renditions
or
visuals
that
kind
of
reflect.
What
exactly
would
be
going
on
in
the
field
with
the
proposed
widening
and
some
technical
information
from
the
design
manuals.
D
As
far
as
some
of
the
guidance
that
we
use
on
how
to
determine
and
make
these
recommendations
for
the
final
design
with
me
tonight,
there's
a
team
here,
working
on
this
project,
of
course,
as
as
most
of
our
projects
has,
we
have
the
assistant
city
engineer,
justin,
peterson,
marci
luno
is
the
city's
project
manager
on
this
project.
She's
our
engineer
one
and
then
jason
peterson
is
also
online
with
us
he's
our
consultant
from
cdi
engineering
and
they're
they've
done
a
brunt
of
the
scope,
work,
surveying
and
design
thus
far
in
the
project.
D
One
of
the
first
things
I
wanted
to
touch
on
tonight
was
the
guidance
and
the
standards
that
we've
used
as
with
any
design
for
the
reconstruction
of
any
street.
These
these
four
documents
here
are
kind
of
the
primary
go
to's,
particularly
here
in
watertown.
Some
of
them
are
local
specific
to
local
regulations.
D
D
Some
of
the
national
guidelines
that
we
use
as
well
include
the
ite
design
handbooks.
That's
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers.
They
have
a
specific
guidebook
that
we
actually
have
a
copy
of
here
on
our
shelf.
It's
urban
street,
geometric
design,
handbook
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
here
about
putting
together
urban
street
design
and
then
one
of
the
big
nationwide
books
that's
used
for
common
reference
is
what's
known
as
the
green
book.
D
This
is
the
2011
edition.
There
is
a
2018
version
out
as
well,
but
this
is
kind
of
the
the
bible
of
roadway
design
that
the
national
standards
and
national
engineers
use
nationwide
as
a
standard.
D
D
D
D
D
We
have
a
multitude
of
churches
along
these
routes
and
then
schools
as
well
the
school
system.
The
reason
I
wanted
to
point
these
out
use
this
diagram
is,
we
believe
the
traffic
counts
on
10th
are
triggered
not
only
from
the
local
neighborhood
traffic,
but
also
as
a
connector
from
the
west
side
of
town
to
the
east
side
of
town
to
a
lot
of
these
highlighted
facilities.
D
It's
just
one
simple
diagram
to
show
some
of
the
logic
behind
why
10th
might
see
some
of
the
traffic
that
it
does
and,
of
course
we
have
the
zoo
here
on
the
west
side.
So
the
same
is
true
for
the
east
side
of
town
traffic
that
would
want
to
migrate
from
the
east
side
to
the
west
side
along
10th
for
destinations
such
as
the
hospital
and
the
zoo
and
other
services
like
that.
D
Some
of
the
general
information
about
this
project
is,
it
is
classified
as
a
collector,
the
average
daily
traffic
that
we
see
on
here,
based
on
current
most
most
currently
dot
traffic
accounts
were
taken
here
in
2020
and
the
rough
numbers
I
got
from
them
were
right
around
these
same
numbers
around
that
4
500
vehicles
per
day,
we've
seen
counts
up
to
and
over
4
800
vehicles
per
day
and,
generally
speaking,
anything
over
that
2500
vehicles
per
day
starts
pushing
a
street
up
into
that
collector
classification.
D
So
you
have
to
be
down
to
less
than
half
of
what
we're
seeing
on
10th
avenue
to
really
be
classified
as
a
lower
classification
down
to
a
local
like
you
would
see
in
your
local
residential
streets,
so
we're
well
above
and
into
that
collector
classification.
For
this
roadway,
it
is
the
sixth
highest
traffic
volume
based
on
the
traffic
counts
that
we've
seen
in
town
some
of
these
streets,
like
19th
street
east
14th,
avenue
north.
You
can
imagine
and
expect
they
all
rate
a
little
higher
than
what
10th
avenue
does.
D
It
is
one
of
the
five
routes
with
the
bridge
that
go
over
the
river
that
connect
highway
20
to
highway
81.,
so
you
have
14th
avenue,
10th
avenue,
third
camp
and
then
highway
212.,
and
so
that
of
course
makes
it
all
the
more
increased
traffic
on
this
route
as
well.
D
D
So
that's
definitely
something
no
matter
what
the
street
width
is
we'll
get
that
crown
put
back
to
the
the
recommended
two
to
three
percent
of
most
so
that'll
help
out
with
the
drivability
of
the
road,
and
as
mentioned
it
is
a
main
route,
not
only
the
hospital,
but
it's
also
through
connector,
from
from
the
east
or
west
side
of
town
to
the
neighboring
and
nearby
schools
and
parks
and
other
amenities.
D
You
know
when
we
look
at
the
collector
and
how
to
design
these.
There
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
that
and
collector.
D
They
are
unique.
I
wanted
to
read
just
a
quick
excerpt
from
the
ite
manual.
D
There
may
not
be
many
obvious
differences
between
collectors
and
local
streets
within
a
neighborhood,
because
collectors
often
provide
access
to
adjacent
residential
lots
and
some
neighborhood
facilities.
However,
the
geometry-
the
geometric
design
of
a
collector
street,
should
reflect
its
function
as
a
collector
and
should
not
be
considered
solely
a
continuous
access
street.
D
D
These
functions
are
in
conflict,
since
a
road
cannot
do
both
functions
very
well,
so
you're
trying
to
increase
the
serviceability
of
the
traffic
by
reducing
the
amount
of
impacts
that
traffic
have
when
they're
driving
down
a
collector
road,
while
also
performing
that
second
function
of
giving
people
access
to
their
land.
We
have
a
lot
of
driveways
along
here
and
that's
written.
D
The
main
use
of
the
land
along
this
stretch
is
residential,
so
how
to
get
those
two
uses
to
better
mold
together
and
not
conflict
as
much
are
a
big
part
of
what
some
of
the
recommendations
are.
That's
been
before
the
council
in
regards
to
a
center
turn
lane
and
appropriately
widening
to
an
adequate
width
of
the
roadway.
D
D
D
The
existing
asphalt
pavement
varies
from
three
and
a
half
inches
to
seven
inches
and
again,
no
matter
what
the
width
is
we'll
get
that
appropriate
thickness
designed
into
this
new
street
section,
regardless
of
the
width,
the
water
main.
That's
an
important
part
of
this
project
as
well.
It
is
generally
cast
iron
water
main
that's
a
project.
We've
partnered
are
working
directly
with
municipal
utilities,
on
we've,
coordinated
them
through
the
design
phase,
so
they've
actually
hired
the
same
consultant.
D
The
the
memo
here
is
part
of
the
council
packet,
so
I
won't
you
know,
belabor
the
discussion
here
with
all
the
details
in
it,
but
we'll
skip
ahead
here.
Yes,
councilman
bill
hauer.
C
D
No
and
that's
actually,
the
part
that
does
vary
from
from
curb
to
curb.
We
see
anywhere
from
31
feet
well,.
D
Yes,
that's
from
highway
20
up
to
4th
street
west,
not
east,
so
I
apologize
there
if
that
was
misleading,
so
4th
street
west
would
be
right
in
front
of
the
hospital.
So
if
you
go
from
highway,
20
and
travel.
D
Right,
yeah
that
westerly
portion
is
pretty
consistent
and
that's
where
the
45
foot
original
recommendation
was
derived
from
was
from
what
extends
down
the
hill
to
the
west.
D
There,
the
proposed
roadway
section
we're
sitting
at
a
38
foot
back
of
curb
roadway
section
and
that
would
include
three
11
foot
lanes,
one
in
each
direction
to
allow
a
continuous
two-way
traffic
flow
and
then
a
center
two
way
left
turn
lane.
There
would
be
an
exclusive
or
a
designated
left
turn
lane
at
the
the
more
prominent
intersections
like
at
mabel
and
maple,
and
second.
D
Street
some
of
the
turn
lane
discussion,
the
factors
behind
turn
lanes
and
when
to
consider
them
when
you
have
a
collector
street
like
this.
With
that
many
points
of
conflict,
I
think
we
mentioned
there's
50
some
points
of
conflict
along
here
between
driveways
and
alleys
and
street
intersections
anytime.
You
have
that
number
of
points
of
conflict
without
a
protected
left
turn
lane
for
traffic
to
get
into.
You
typically
will
see
a
higher
number
of
traffic
accidents,
particularly
those
related
to
rear,
end
accidents.
D
You
can
imagine
driving
down
a
two-lane
street
and
waiting
to
turn
and
somebody
not
paying
attention
to
you.
That's
traveling
behind
you
and
coming
up
and
and
that's
what
causes
rear
end
accidents
typically
related
to
turning
movements.
We
did
look
at
some
of
the
crash
data
as
well.
I
believe
there
were
14
accidents
reported
since
2016,
so
in
the
last
four
years,
and
then
in
another
report
that
was
further
expanded
beyond
the
scope
of
what
I
was
looking
at.
I
don't
have
the
exact
number,
but
there's
a
higher
number
of
accidents.
D
Yet
from
the
other
report
that
we
got
from
the
police
chief
here,
a
while
back,
and
so
you
figure
14
plus
maybe
up
to
20
accidents
in
a
four-year
span-
it's
a
number.
That's
that's,
not
necessarily
alarming,
but
it's
definitely
a
number
that
you
want
to
start
to
pay
attention
to
in
in
regards
to
what
we
could
be
doing
better
to
avoid
those
types
of
crashes
and
that's
something
a
two-way
left
turn
lane
does
help.
D
Of
course
we're
not
talking
about
comparing
to
four-lane
roadways,
but
that's
just
an
example
of
how
a
three-lane
with
a
two-way
left
turn
traffic
flow
is
greatly
increased
and
in
an
advanced
when
you
do
that
even
better
than
an
undivided
four-lane
roadway,
adding
two-way
left
turn
lines
to
the
existing
cross-section
can
lead
to
a
decrease
in
the
crash
rates,
especially
at
locations
locations
where
parallel
parking
is
allowed.
Now
again,
we've
removed
that
parallel
parking
from
this
roadway.
D
Couple
last
points
here
I
wanted
to
get
to.
Yes,
this
came
up
the
last
meeting
as
well.
There
are
a
number
of
traffic
design
manuals
that
would
talk
about
lane,
widths
and
traffic
speed,
and
we
talked
about
in
the
last
meeting
how
we've
essentially
got
on
our
narrow
section
of
31
feet.
We've
essentially
got
two
15
foot
wide
lanes.
D
Now
it's
not
striped
down
the
middle,
but
you
have
two
fifteen
foot
lanes
effectively
with
our
proposed
38
foot
street
width
that
allows
us
to
build
out
three
11
foot
lanes
and
going
from
a
15
foot
driving
lane
down
to
an
11
foot
driving
lane,
based
on
the
the
traffic
models
and
studies
that
have
been
done.
That
does,
in
fact
reduce
the
tendency
of
it
does
reduce
the
speed
of
traffic
and
also
helps
reduce
the
tendency
of
traffic
to
speed.
D
You
know
the
wider,
the
lane
you
have
the
more
free
reign
that
you
feel
you
might
have
as
a
driver,
and
you
tend
to
accelerate
a
little
bit
faster
on
that
section
of
the
street
than
you
would
if
you
feel
a
little
bit
more
constrained,
so
things
like
pedestrian
bump
outs,
for
example
like
we're
doing
in
the
downtown
area.
Those
are
all
traffic
calming
measures
because
it
helps
it
makes
the
driver
feel
a
little
bit
more
constrained,
a
little
less
comfortable
driving
at
a
higher
rate
of
speed.
D
I
would
say
that
the
the
two-way
conversion
on
kemp
probably
paid
a
real
played,
a
role
in
that
as
well.
Just
because
of
the
way
the
cars
are
parked
and
the
bumpers
are
kind
of
out
a
little
tight
and
you
drive,
you
tend
to
drive
a
little
slower
because
you
feel
a
little
bit
more
constrained
on
kemp
avenue.
D
D
So
the
conclusion
here
from
cdi
really
is:
we
did
see
that
this
38
foot
width
was
still
a
strong
recommendation
based
on
the
the
transportation
data
and
the
the
studies
and
the
manuals
and
the
design
standards
that
we
have
to
work
from
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
jason,
quick
here
from
cdi,
and
he
can
walk
through
the
share
his
screen
and
walk
through
the
maps,
and
we
can
see
a
little
bit
about
really
this
38
feet
isn't
isn't
impacting
a
lot
of
these
areas.
There's
about
a
four
block
stretch.
D
D
F
Yeah,
sorry
about
that
had
a
little
technical
difficulties
there
said
leave
and
rejoin.
I
I
did
hear
what
you
were
saying
and
I'll
share
my
screen.
D
And
if
you
could
jason
just
for
the
sake
of
time,
try
to
get
through
those
those
maps
within
the
next
eight
to
ten
minutes
here,
leave
time
for
a
discussion
at
the.
F
Okay,
so
we'll
start
out
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
just
kind
of
show
the
existing
conditions,
and
then
we
have
some
different
configurations
laid
out.
So
we'll
show
the
existing
conditions,
then
we'll
show
the
proposed
conditions
and
I'll
try
to
go
through
it
fairly
quickly,
like
keith
is
saying
so
we
can
get
through
this,
but
kind
of
just
wanted
to
go
through
the
whole
thing
with
you
real,
quick
and
point
out
a
few
of
the
aspects.
F
So
this
is
the
first
block
on
the
west
side,
so
the
45
foot
existing
width,
narrowing
down
to
the
41
foot.
D
And
for
context
here
this
is
4th
street
west,
just
north
of
the
hospital.
This
would
be
the
west
end
of
the
project.
F
Limits
we'll
stay
on
the
existing
just
for
a
minute
here,
so
the
red
lines
here
are
indicating
the
back
of
curb,
and
so
the
measurements
are
also
to
the
back
of
curb
and
that'll,
be
consistent
throughout
this
presentation.
That
dimensions
will
typically
be
to
the
back
of
curve,
so
back
of
curved
back
occur.
Sidewalks
are
also
shown
just
for
reference,
and
then
these
lines
out
here
are
actually
the
lot
lines,
but
also
are
the
the
right-of-way
lines.
Also
so
between
the
black
lines
are
the
right-of-way.
F
F
Then
what
I'm
showing
here
is
the
existing.
F
So
the
existing
includes
new,
curb
and
gutter.
You'll
see
these
the
red
lines
are
still
there
for
the
back
of
curb
the
proposed
back
of
curb
includes
the
larger
radii.
F
The
tapers
are
being
done
in
order
to
narrow
the
street
from
the
existing
45
to
the
proposed
38,
and
then
we're
showing
some
dimensions
on
each
one
of
these
sheets
to
kind
of
show.
What
the
difference
is
from
the
back
and
curb
existing
to
the
new
backup.
Curb
a
negative
actually
means
a
reduction
so
we're
actually
reducing
the
width
of
the
street
by
one
foot
on
each
side,
starting
basically
right
near
the
third
street
west
intersection.
F
These
the
gray
hatch,
is
the
sidewalks
and
then
we're
showing
some
sidewalk
ramps,
and
so
basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
try
to
show
the
existing
curb
versus
the
proposed,
and
so
we'll
just
go
to
the
next
sheet.
If
there's
any
questions
as
I'm
going
through,
it
feel
free
to
kind
of
jump
in,
but
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
the
whole
thing
and
then
allow
for
some
questions
to
be
asked
afterwards.
Also
so
I'll
just
switch
back
to
the
existing
and
then
proposed.
D
If
you
go
to
the
next
one,
please
jason,
you
see
the
red
lines
here
on
the
existing,
how
they
and
if
you've,
driven
this
too.
You
notice
that
it's
quite
a
dramatic
change
through
the
intersection.
That's
some
a
type
of
transition.
You
try
to
avoid
when
reconstructing
a
street,
not
have
that
transition
occur
through
the
intersection,
but
have
it
occur
before
you
get
to
the
intersection
and
so
again
on
the
proposed
line.
Work
jason
will
show
how
that
is,
addressed
and
corrected.
F
Yeah
and
the
proposed
line
work
then
gets
a
little
bit
busy
here,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we're
showing
but
again
the
red
is
the
existing
back
of
curb,
there's,
actually
almost
a
two
foot
or
close
to
a
two
foot
reduction
in
the
street,
just
west
to
second
street
west
on
the
north
side
and
one
foot
on
the
south.
F
These
crosswalks
are
exactly
what
we
talked
about
the
last
meeting,
the
crosswalks
with
the
rapid
flashing
beacons
and
there
you
can
see
kind
of
a
little
picture
of
them,
so
basically
they're
assigned
with
a
flashing
beacon
so
that
when
pedestrians
want
to
cross,
they
can
hit
the
button
and
the
lights
start
to
flash.
F
We
are
also
adding
we
added
some
dimensions
to
show
boulevard
widths,
so
pretty
typical
about
eight
foot
to
seven
foot
width
in
the
boulevards
and
that
compares
to
when
we
had
the
45
foot
section,
it
was
somewhere
around
three
4
foot,
maybe
even
a
little
less
in
some
areas.
So
obviously
with
the
reduction
and
the
width
from
what
was
originally
proposed,
we're
getting
a
nicer
boulevard
there
so
should
be
able
to
get
some.
F
Maybe
some
different
variety
of
trees
coming
in
now,
right
here
is
where
heath
was
alluding
to
kind
of
the
big
transition
from
a
41
foot
to
a
31
foot
for
the
existing
width,
the
proposed
kind
of
fits
in
there
fairly
nice,
the
back
of
curb,
is
or
the
the
kerbin
gutter,
which
is
a
standard
two
and
a
half
foot.
F
It's
not
considered
a
driving
area
because
of
the
slope
of
the
gutter
and
also
because
of
the
typical
construction
joint
there
and
and
anybody
who's
driven
a
street
obviously
knows
that
you
don't
really
feel
very
comfortable
trying
to
drive
in
the
gutter
pan,
so
it
it's
basically
being
added
there
for
to
improve
the
drainage
and
it's
basically
fitting
right
behind
the
existing
curb
lines
on
each
side.
F
So
about
five
foot
of
the
the
additional
seven
foot
is
basically
for
the
curb
and
gutter
to
be
installed.
The
lines
are
being
shown.
The
pavement
marking
lines
with
the
two
two-way
left
turn
lanes,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
some
of
the
vehicles
and
see
that
you
know
they're
they're,
actually
kind
of
straddling
that
proposed
line
in
other
areas.
You'll
see
that
people
tend
to
drive
a
little
bit
closer
to
that
existing
curb
the
where
the
people
will
end
up
driving
and
and
drivers
will
end
up
utilizing.
D
The
new
curb
and
gutter
is
essentially
going
to
go
right
behind
the
current
gutter
and
on
the
north
side,
there
will
be
about
a
four
foot
offset
from
the
back
of
curb
to
the
new
back
of
curb,
so,
like
jason,
said,
really
that
seven
foot
additional
width,
five
of
it,
is
made
up
of
the
new
curb
and
gutter
itself.
D
So
I
think
that
helps
to
exemplify
the
it
it
puts
it
really
into
perspective
of
the
as
little
of
an
impact
as
we
could
really
get
while
still
having,
if
again
serving
those
two
different
functions,
allowing
people
safe
access
to
their
property,
while
also
accounting
for
the
the
through
traffic
and
the
traffic
flows
and
their
safety
as
well.
F
Yeah
and
so
maple
street
is
kind
of
where
this
section
changes
from
the
31
foot
to
the
existing
gets
to
34
foot
on
one
block,
there's
also
a
the
sidewalk
on
the
north
side.
This
will
all
be
new,
so
the
blue,
with
the
kind
of
light
hatch,
is
showing
sidewalk
that
is
not
currently
there.
That
will
be
there,
so
another
goal
of
the
project
is
obviously
to
have
a
pedestrian
access
from
one
end
to
the
other,
without
a
disruption
in
that
this
also
shows
the
four-way
stops.
F
B
F
Of
the
existing
curb,
so
you
can't
even
see
that
red,
underneath
it
really
and
then
on.
The
north
side
is
again
kind
of
the
typical
forefoot
that
we've
been
seeing
on
the
other.
The
other
blocks
where
the
street
is
narrower.
F
D
Narrower
width,
if
I'll
point
this
out
here,
quick
jason,
that
34
foot
width
lasts
for
one
block
and
then
we
get
to
2nd
street
east
and
then
the
next
two
blocks
you've
got
you've
got
an
existing
37
foot
with
almost
exactly
what
we're
proposing
at
38,
so
there'd
be
a
very
nominal
increase
in
the
street
width.
For
those
last
two
blocks
to
the
east
of
second
street
east.
F
Yep
and
again,
the
blue
is
showing
the
new
sidewalk,
where
it's
completely
new
and
not
existing.
F
So
at
the
end
of
the
project,
they
would
have
pedestrian
access
from
one
end
to
the
other,
you
can
kind
of
see
you
know.
Cars
are
basically
going
to
be
driving
right
where
they
are
currently
and
so
really
not
a
big
change
at
all.
For
these
last
two
blocks
so
I'll
go
ahead
to
the
next
one
and
then
the
connecting
into
highway
81
and
what
was
done
with
the
dot
project
at
the
end,
basically
tying
in
really
nice
with
just
a
very
slight
taper.
D
In
this
easterly
end,
these
easterly
two
blocks
that
come
in
to
tie
into
highway
81..
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
you
know
any
reduction
in
width
on
these
definitely
wouldn't
be
advised
just
because
of
the
stacking
internally
needs,
as
you
approach
that
major
arterial
of
highway
81,
and
so
that
that
37
feet
that
exists
today,
we
think
meshes
very
well
with
the
38
foot
proposed
and
and
and
keeps
that
the
integrity
of
this
intersection
as
you
come
up
into
highway
81
and
connect
the
traffic
to
that
main
arterial.
D
I
do
have
one
more
quick
item
I'll
share.
If
I
could
share
my
screen
again
jason,
do
you
want
to
touch
anything
else
here,
quick.
F
I
know
I
I
think
I'm
good
I'll
try
to
stop
sharing
here.
D
F
Yes,
it's
37
feet
so
you'll
see,
I
believe
they
were
maybe
even
possibly
planning
for
a
41
foot
section
as
they
went
around
the
radius,
but
it
they
did
taper
into
the
38
foot
section,
and
so
we'll
tie
her
to
the
37
foot
section.
So
we'll
tie
in
pretty
nice
with
that.
D
And
this
is
one
picture
yeah
for
a
moment.
I
could
ask
you
to
pretend
you're
turning
left
off
highway,
81
onto
10th,
avenue
and
say
here's
what
this
is
going
to
look
like,
but
just
by
happen
chance,
because
it
kind
of
looks
exactly
like
what
we're
talking
about
on
10th.
Although
this
is
not
10th.
This
is
18th
street
in
sioux
falls.
But
if
you
look
on
the
left,
there's
no
sidewalk
over
here.
I'd.
D
But
this
is
the
same
38
foot
width
street
section
that
we're
proposing
and
it
kind
of
helps
you
visualize,
it's
probably
not
quite
as
intrusive
as
what
some
people
have
been
visualizing
or
expecting
to
see,
and
you
can
see
it
plugged
in
here
in
real
life
and
through
a
heavy
residential
neighborhood.
D
This
so
again,
that's
just
an
example
that
was
found
that
jason
provided
to
us
in
their
research
again.
You
know
a
lot
went
into
these
design
recommendations,
nothing
we
ever
take
lightly
as
engineers
through
the
you
know,
code
of
ethics
that
we
fall
under
we're
looking
at
the
guidance
and
standards
that
we
administer
on
a
regular
basis
that
are
adopted,
nationwide
and
then
locally
as
well.
The
safety
and
consistency
of
the
street
section.
That's
one
thing:
we're
wanting
to
increase
our
safety
and
consistency
of
this
street
section.
D
Then
the
economics
and
efficiency
of
it.
You
know
we
started
out
with
a
45-foot
street
with
we
whittled
that
down
to
a
38
that
brings
some
economics
to
the
to
the
discussion
and
scaling
back
the
the
amount
of
pavement
we'll
be
putting
in,
and
I
think
it
puts
us
in
a
place
where
we
also
have
some
efficiency
too
and
still
be
able
to
provide
what
we
need
to
at
a
38
foot,
wide
roadway
and
then
longevity.
D
I
think,
as
councilman
roby
mentioned,
that
at
the
last
meeting
you
know
this
isn't
a
decision
for
the
next
three
or
five
years,
but
a
decision
we're
making
for
the
next
30
plus
years,
and
one
thing
we
wanted
to
stress
and
just
make
known
no
matter
what
the
decision
is
here.
If
we
go
narrower
than
a
38,
it
definitely
does
tie
the
community's
hands
on
what
this
roadway
could
be
used
for
in
the
future.
Let's
say
we
decide
to
not
stripe.
D
D
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we
set
this
up
for
continued
growth,
continued
traffic,
the
the
safety
components
that
we've
talked
about
and
and
try
to
be
sensitive
to
the
neighborhood
itself
is
as
much
as
practical,
where
again
we're
balancing
those
two
functions
of
a
collector
road
access
to
local
land
owners
and
safe
and
efficient
use
of
the
roadway
for
the
traveling
public
as
well.
D
So
with
that
being
said,
we
could
help
field
any
questions.
I
apologize
for
the
length
here.
We
had
a
lot.
We
had
to
cover
and
we'd
entertain
any
any
questions
council
might
have.
D
The
last
landowner
meetings
were
the
one-on-ones,
so
not
since
this
this
new
proposal,
no,
we
have
not.
Now
I
can
say
that
through
the
one-on-ones,
we
did
receive
a
lot
of
constructive
input
and
a
lot
of
productive
input
where
we
were
able
to
talk
through
some
of
the
misperceptions
that
some
of
them
had
about
vehicles
being
you
know,
right
next
to
their
living
room
windows
and
things
like
that
that
obviously
nobody
wants,
and
so
we
were
glad
to
be
able
to
shed
some
light
on
some
of
those
concerns
through
those
one-on-one
meetings.
B
Heath
with
the
way
that
the
sidewalks
currently
are
kind
of
on
the
western
half,
where
they
butt
up
directly
against
the
roadway,
would
that
be
remedied
through
this
as
well.
That's.
C
Heath,
the
follow
up
to
what
josh
asks
you
has,
the
the
neighborhood
of
the
public
other
than
the
this
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago
been
made
aware
of
these
design
changes
or,
and
if
so,
what
kind
of
feedback
have
you
or
any
of
us
got
because
I
gotta
say
I
I've
received
virtually
none.
So
I
guess
a
twofold
question
there.
He.
D
Yeah,
the
any
of
the
feedback
we
would
have
got
from
the
last
meeting
was
pretty
much
at
the
last
meeting
when
we
discussed
this
at
the
public
works
committee
level,
we
have
not
reached
out
individually
with
the
land
owners,
yet
we
would
like
to
hold
a
public
information
session
to
explain
to
them
what
exactly
is
going
on
and
going
to
be
rolled
out
as
far
as
a
final
design
to
be
to
be
constructed,
we'd
love
to
do
that
as
an
information
sharing
session
with
the
with
landowners.
E
A
E
To
thank
you
and
your
team
on
this
one,
that's!
I
know
we
threw
a
lot
of
stuff
at
you.
I
know
the
public.
I
I've
got
plenty
of
comments
back
that
they
appreciate
just
the
effort
and
talk
that
was
done.
You
know
it's
not
really
an
easy
one
when
you
start
talking
about
neighborhood
road
that
started
out
as
a
small
road
and
has
become
a
collector
route
over
the
years.
E
You
know
I
mean
I
think
if
we
can
make
this
presentation
and
and
do
it
in
the
public
so
that
they
can
see
what
what
you're
looking
at
doing
and
what
the
changes
would
be,
and
I
think
I
think
it
just
looks
a
lot
cleaner
and
a
lot
more
simple
and
probably
just
frankly
eases
a
little
concerns,
probably
not
all
of
them,
but
it
will
ease
some
concerns
of
the
people
that
are
in
that
in
that
corridor
right
there.
B
He
just
is
a
comment
that
I've
heard
on
maybe
several
occasions
that
people
are
concerned
with
with
the
turning
lane
is
that
that
people
are
going
to
drive
on
the
outside
lanes
and
obviously
they're
not
going
to
drive
in
the
turning
lanes,
which
is
going
to
make
it
more
dangerous
for
these
52
exit
points
driveways
different
places
where
people
are
getting
onto
the
road,
and
I
I
think
the
concern
is
still
that,
even
though
you've
explained
it
here
that
this
is
going
to
increase
speed
when
people
are
if
they're
in
the
turning
lane,
people
are
going
to
go,
buy
them,
and
I
think
it's
still
out
there
that
they
believe
this
is
going
to
speed
it
up.
C
Heath,
I
definitely
like
the
idea
of
having
another
public.
You
know
listening
hearing
or
meeting
are:
are
we
approaching
some
kind
of
drop
dead
date,
or
I
mean?
Is
this
really
starting
to
put
a
crunch
on
our
your
timeline?
If
we
can't
make
a
decision
on
this
in
the
very
near
future,.
D
Yeah
it
is,
it
is
starting
to
start
to
compound
and
crunch
into
the
deadlines
for
completing
the
design
to
get
the
project
out
for
bid
the
earlier.
We
get
this
out
the
bid,
the
better
we
do,
plan
on
having
an
alternate
bid
between
asphalt
and
concrete
and
in
talking
with
contractors.
They
too
have
agreed
that
if
we
can
get
this
out
in
february,
that
would
be
most
ideal
at
the
latest,
our
current
timeline
and
jason.
You
could
speak
to
this.
D
I
haven't
talked
drop
dead
dates
with
jason,
yet
with
cdi,
but
you
know
I
know
we're
we're,
probably
getting
close
to
that
come.
You
know.
If
we
get
much
past
october
here
on
finalizing
this
design,
it's
going
to
put
them
in
a
pretty
big
pinch.
Jason.
You
want
to
expand
on
that
at
all.
F
Yeah,
obviously
you
know
we
want
to
follow
a
timeline
that
doesn't
require
us
to
do
a
whole
lot
of
design,
work
and
then
redesign,
and
so,
if
we
are
going
to
a
public
input
meeting
for
a
second
time,
I
would
think
we
would
probably
hold
off
on
proceeding
to
actual
design
of
the
street,
which
means
you
know.
We
probably
got
another
three
to
four
weeks
before
we'd
really
be
pushing
forward
at
that
point,
and
that
will
put
us
in
a
pretty
tough
time
crunch.
F
In
order
to
get
the
plans
out
and
to
bids
during
the
original
timeline,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
whatever
the
street
section
is
determined
that
we
communicate
that
with
the
hospital
you
know
have
detour
routes
figured
out
and
access
points
for
them.
We
also
need
to
meet
with
the
utility
companies
and
find
relocation
points
for
utilities
that
will
be
affected.
F
So
yeah
it's
getting
to
be
to
a
point
that
it's
gonna
affect
the
timeline
on
getting
the
final
plans
completed.
B
I
know
this
is
kind
of
an
echo
of
the
council
a
little
bit,
but
I
just
feel
like,
since
this
has
come
up
three
times
that
I
think
the
least
that
we
can
do
is
just
take
the
time
and
give
the
landowners
one
more
look
at
this.
I
thought
this
was
really
informative.
I
it
eased
a
lot
of
things
for
me
honestly.
I
get
the
idea
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
lot
safer,
especially
with
those
pedestrian
crossings
and
then
correcting
a
lot
of
the
sidewalk
issues.
B
D
I
I
would
say
that
would
be
driven
by
just
the
amount
of
appropriate
notice
that
the
landowners
would
need,
and
we
could
turn
around
do
the
same
presentation
tomorrow,
but
obviously
the
notice
wouldn't
be
adequate.
So
we
could
look
at
doing
it
a
week
out
from
maybe
tuesday
or
something
like
that.
Try
to
get
it
as
soon.
D
And,
and
to
that
note
you
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
that
conversation
goes
back
to
the
one-on-ones
and
where
I
was
envisioning
kind
of
an
information
sharing
session
to
the
public,
because
a
lot
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
when
we
discussed
taking
away
the
parking
lane.
A
lot
of
the
folks
said
yeah.
You
can
do
that.
I
think
we'd
be
on
board
of
this.
We
get
why
you
need
to
do
what
you're
doing.
E
B
Oh
yes,
thank
you,
mayor,
just
a
couple
of
comments.
First
off
I'd
like
to
thank
you
guys,
you
did
a
nice
job
on
this
presentation.
B
It
was
helpful
to
me
helped
clarify
things
a
little
bit,
but
I
guess
I'm
of
the
belief
that
we've
kind
of
gone
out
of
our
way
to
to
vet
this
whole
thing
and
we've
we've
done
a
good
job
of
of
reviewing
this
with
the
public.
I
I
think
this
is
going
to
serve
our
community
and
the
neighborhood
very
well
in
the
design
that
they've
laid
out.
I
I
think,
maybe
a
presentation
as
to
what
we
what
the
plan
is.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to.
B
A
Thank
you,
councilman
buehler,
and
I
I
would
add.
I
think
that
the
staff
has
bent
over
backwards
to
incorporate
the
public
comments
and
they
have
made
serious
significant
changes
to
the
design.
Since
the
public
meeting
where
it
was
the
proposed
design
was
first
laid
out.
It's
dramatic,
and
this
is
narrower
than
our
standard
for
a
new
cul-de-sac
street,
which
is
you
know,
five
houses
on
it.
So
I
I
think,
if,
if
the
council
is
thinking,
they
might
go
narrower
than
that,
yet
that's
really.
A
A
Are
you
thinking
some
of
you
are
thinking,
maybe
even
narrower
than
38,
because
if
you're
not
there's
really
no
reason
to
postpone
giving
the
designer
a
direction
on
where
to
go
ahead,
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
making
it
wider.
That
would
upset
people
they've
made
it
dramatically
narrower
it's
narrower
than
our
standard
for
any
street
and
if
you're,
not
thinking
that
you
would
make
it
narrower.
A
Yet,
let's
just
let
them
do
the
design
and
they
can
make
a
presentation
that
isn't
yet
another
review
and
comment
and
redesign,
because
it's
a
you
know
that
that
is
precarious.
For
the
designers.
It's
taking
a
lot
of
extra
time
to
do
that,
but
are
any
of
you
thinking
that
you
might
want
to
narrow
it
even
more.
B
Mayor
bruce
here
again
just
another
quick
comment.
I
I
think
this.
This
has
been
a
really
good
compromise.
I
certainly
can't
see
that
we
would
want
to
narrow
this
up.
I
think
it's
a
good
plan.
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
it
rolled
out.
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
it's
going
to
put
us
in
a
time
crunch
and
there's
always
going
to
be
somebody
that
doesn't
agree
with
it
and
I
think
you
could
have
meeting
after
meeting
you'd
still
run
into
that.
A
Right,
but
I
mean
this
is
a
drastic
change.
This
is
not
the
same
thing
that
they
saw
when
it
first
came
out,
so
I
think
presenting
it
actually
where
the
the
neighborhood
can
get
up
close
to
it
and
see
where
the
curb
line
is
and
where
the
proposed
curb
line
is,
and
it's
not
more
than
a
couple
of
feet
at
the
very
most
anywhere
and
it's
narrower
in
some
places.
I
think
that's
probably
the
way
to
go.
Councilman
hoyer.
B
I
think
we
just
meant
it
mayor
is
a
courtesy
more
than
anything,
I
don't
see
us
strain
too
much
from
it,
but
I
think
it's
still
worth
them
having
input
on
it
if
they
want
to
just
to
kind
of
discuss
it,
and
I
guess
soothe
any
other
worries
about
it.
I
don't
see
any
of
us
wanting
to
narrow
it
any
further.
I
understand
that
we
want
to
move
along
with
it.
A
A
The
the
public
can
often
come
and
inquire,
but
we
don't
do
public
meetings
on
every
street
design
and
we
certainly
don't
let
the
design
come
under
this
kind,
this
level
of
critique
normally.
This
is
quite
unusual.
I
think
that
they've
they've
really
gone
to
extreme
levels
and
I'd
like
to
let
them
go,
and
I
don't
I
can
someone
make
a
motion
so
that
we
can
tell
the
either
to
hang
on
or
to
go
ahead
with
the
design.
I.
A
E
The
only
discussion
I
would
have-
and
I
don't
disagree
with
anything
that
you
said
there
mayor,
but
this
one
has
probably
gotten
more
pushback
from
public
than
anyone
else
so
to
you
know
to
our
point
here
is
just
to
make
sure
that
the
public's
aware
of
it,
I
don't
think
any
of
us-
are
looking
to
go
against
the
recommendation.
E
I
think
it's
a
like
bruce
said
it's
a
compromise
that
you
know,
I
think
works,
and
it
still
makes
sense.
We
still
have
three
lanes.
We
put
the
you
know
the
turning
lane
in,
but
at
the
same
time-
and
we
just
it,
we
owe
it
to
our.
You
know:
constituents
that
have
elected
us
all
of
us
to
at
least
give
them
the
opportunity
to
see
what
we're
looking.
A
B
Thank
you
mayor.
I'm
fine
doing
the
meeting.
I
just
want
to
be
careful,
though
don't
mislead
the
public
that
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
further
change.
If
there's
not
so
I'd
be
clear
about
what
the
meeting's
about
this
is
a
beautiful
street,
it's
just
at
the
point
we're
gonna
have
to
widen
a
little
bit.
I'm
pretty
happy
with
the
compromise
that's
been
made.
B
I
think
the
the
engineering
folks
have
listened
pretty
well
and
it
looks
like
we
have
a
pretty
good
plan
here,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
moving
forward
and
I'm
okay
with
doing
the
meeting,
but
I
don't
want
to
mislead
the
public
either
that,
if
we're
doing
the
meeting
it's
for
education,
but
it's
it's,
it's
not
necessary
for
changes.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
it.
A
C
A
D
Yes,
thank
you
all
very
much
myself
for
the
design
team,
greatly
appreciate
your
input
and
we'll
we'll
follow
suit
here.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
and
before
we
go
on
to
the
next
it
did
you
want
to
say,
there's
a
couple
of
people
from
the
neighborhood
that
are
here.
Did
you
want
to
make
a
comment
or
were
just
coming
to
see
what
we
were
going
to
say?