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From YouTube: Interoperability SIG - June 1, 2023
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A
A
B
B
Is
a
developer
conference
conference
to
Kansas
City,
it's
very
popular,
hear
about
it
every
year
and
ever
gone
be.
This
will
be
my
first
time
so
pretty
excited
to
go
and
meet
up
with
folks.
There.
A
I,
just
thinking
all
the
kids,
they
kids
technique,
KC
as
well.
Yep.
B
I
am
yes,
I've
got
a
couple
of
different
talks
there.
One
is
it's
like
Maven
fundamentals.
A
B
It's
actually
a
talk
I'm
taking
over
for
a
colleague
of
mine,
because
she's
she's
not
able
to
make
it
so
it's
it's
actually
her
talk,
Michelle
Ruiz,
so
that'll
be
pretty
cool
and
the
other
one
is
like
it's
a
security
talk,
and
it's
basically
talking
about
how
developers
are
not
Security,
Experts
and.
A
A
B
B
B
C
That's
my
I
picked
the
week
off
for
my
birthday
weekend
so
yeah
last
year,.
A
C
Had
to
yeah
go
to
a
conference,
but
this
year.
C
But
yeah,
so
we
have
gotten
our
we've
been
going
through
a
reorg,
Melissa
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
it's,
it's
actually
made
the
papers
that
you
know
one
of
the
vp's
left
and
went
to
GM
and
so
we're
dealing
with
like
where
we
land
so
internally.
We
do
where
my
focus
is
my
internal
community
building
and
like
putting
together
the
team.
That's
behind
me,
so
we
have
internal
internal
developer,
advocates
that
actually
do
speaker,
conferences
externally
and
so
we're
just
you
know.
C
That's
my
internal
Focus
and,
of
course,
I
had
the
conversation
with
Lori
about
you,
know
the
marketing
sets
and
and
and
how
she
was
approaching,
that
from
a
marketing
perspective,
so
that
you
and
I
can
start
to
kind
of
figure
out.
Okay.
How
do
we
give
them
information?
How
do
we
align?
C
So
that's
really.
The
the
my
focus
over
the
next
month
is
getting
to
helping
get
the
word
out
and
then
we
can
hopefully
bring
some
more
people
to
join
that
discussion
about
what
the
DSL
giveaway
is
and
how
we
want
to
approach
that.
So
that's
my
hope
that
we
can
attract
some
people
and
kind
of
I
know
which
is
oh.
C
My
God
Andrea
is
taking
more
of
a
marketing
focus
with
CD
events,
which
and
Emil
is
taking
more
of
the
Tactical
lead
side,
but
that's
from
Ben
we're
also
trying
to
get
the
links
proposal
done
so
I'm
just
still
trying
to
just
move
things
forward.
That's
it.
C
A
Know
if
you
noticed
a
message
on
CD
runs
channel
on
slack
someone
from
Bloomberg
just
said
hi
and
said
today:
I've
been
using
CDs
internally
for
a
couple
of
months.
Oh
really
like
you
can
see
the
message
there
and
he
actually
joined
the
CD
rasmatic
District
as
well,
and
that
what
you
said,
though
this
is
like
I,
think
if
you
can
have
this,
you
know
properly
marketed.
We
can
get
even
more
people
talk
about
this
because
there
may
be
others
using
these
things
without
engaging
right
exactly.
C
You
know,
because
there's
a
lot
of
tools
that
would
benefit
from
CD
events,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
ground
to
cover.
If
we
try
to
build
the
DSL
and
start
having
those
conversations
around
it
and
so
yeah,
even
internally
we're
getting
more
teams
that
are
going.
Oh
yeah
tell
me
more
about
it,
you
know:
how
does
it
impact?
How
can
we
build
it
into
our
tools,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
be
consistent
across
the
board.
C
I
want
to
be
sure
we
do
something
that
works
for
everybody.
That's
all
yeah.
B
And
the
more
people
we
have
backing
it
I
mean
obviously
our
open
source
projects,
but
I
had
a
really
good
meeting
with
Lori.
Just
last
week
with
our
you
know,
internal
hooks
at
jfrog
and
I'm,
hoping
that
you
know
sometime
in
the
future,
we're
going
to
start
getting
more
corporate
backing
of
this
as
well,
because
I
mean
they
care
too.
C
B
No
worries
that
would
be
tough.
My
my
meeting
too
was
pretty
early
as
well,
so
yeah.
It
never
works
out
for
me
real
well
that
morning
I
got
lucky,
but.
B
You
know
to
talk
about
like
the
mission
and
the
road
map
and
stuff
and
and
part
of
the
call
was
just
figuring
out
where
all
these
documents
exist
already.
So
you
know
we
did.
You
know
Crawl
Through,
the
GitHub
repo,
and
we
found
the
the
roadmap
document
and
I
guess
that
was
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
understanding
is.
There
was
quite
a
few
people
involved
in
making
that
it
was
like
a
word
doc
and
everyone
commented
on
it
and
then
everyone.
A
B
A
I
think
that
document
like
that
is
from
2020
yeah,
first
half
of
2020
I
think
what
you
said.
The
second
alternative
like
if
we
can
go
with
some
basic
ideas
that,
like
DSL
visualization
or
whatever
this
type
of
stuff,
instead
of
asking
people
to
randomly
put
stuff
right.
B
A
We
shared
that
and
we
can
yeah.
We
can
also
promote
it
like
on
our
website,
Twitter
and
so
on.
My
blog
post,
saying
the
studio
is
working
on
it's
roadmap
for
2003
for
an
even
future.
Take
a
look
at
it
and
comment
it.
Then
we
can
at
least
give
people
some
starting
point
and
they
might
come
and
say.
Oh
all,
these
things
are
great,
but
what
about
this?
So
we
kind
of
say
something
and
urge
people
to
say
something
else.
If
there
is
something
else
we
missed.
B
Yeah
yeah
I,
like
it
I,
think
having
examples
too
of
stuff
that
we've
already
come
up
with,
helps,
helps
inspire
people
come
up
with
more
ideas,
and
that
was
basically
the
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
on.
The
call
is
how
to
increase
engagement
and
stuff,
obviously
with
just
the
three
of
us.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
be
that
valuable
to
the
community.
B
I
mean
we're
going
to
do
our
best
and
we
could
put
something
awesome
out
there,
but
we
really
do
need
more
input,
so
the
DC
mentioned
you
know
he
talked
with
Lori
about
you,
know:
marketing
efforts
and
stuff.
We
also
talked
about
I
kind
of
on
this
call
I
kind
of
want
some
actionable
items
that
we
can.
A
B
Working
on
I'd
like
to
basically
reintroduce
interoperability
group,
what
we
are,
what
we
do,
what
we've
done
in
the
past
explain
to
people.
You
know
what
has
already
been
accomplished
and
what
we're
going
to
do.
Moving
forward,
obviously
roadmap
material,
but
I
kind
of
want
to
do
it,
presentation,
style
and
I
want
it.
B
I
want
to
Market
that
so
we
get
new
people
involved
in
showing
up.
We
can
obviously
use
our
mailing
list,
but
that's
existing
people.
Did
you
get
a
sense
from
Lori?
How
else
we
can
reach
people
I
mean.
C
So
the
sense
from
Lori
was,
you
know
we
pick
what
the
groups
are
and
tell
her
the
Avenues
I
I
talked.
It
really
was
curious
about
like
how
do
we
get
Beyond
just
blog?
C
How
do
we
get
Beyond
things
where
people
have
to
find
us
to
more
proactive
things
exactly,
and
you
just
kind
of
touched
on
what
I
wanted
to
see
too
is
is
more
of
a
set
deck
or
a
set
conversation
or
and
a
set
of
set
conversations
that
map
different
areas
or
I
should
say
different
marketing
targets
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
find
them
like
we
have
to
go
where
they
are
either
in
conference
or
in
you
know,
I,
don't
want
to
say
periodicals,
but
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
where
these
silos
are
and
how
they're
getting
their
information
and
how
to
get
to
them
we're
going
to
be
limited
with
like
LinkedIn.
C
Of
course,
we
can
use
that
to
draw
in
the
community.
That
is
what
I
was
going
to
do
with
the
folks
internally,
at
Apple
too,
like
as
we
are,
making
blog
posts
and
doing
things
say,
hey,
can
you
extend
this?
Can
you
go
talk
about
it
to
push
out
the
Avenues
that
way,
but
I
think
the
that's
going
to
be
the
overall
challenge
like?
How
do
we
find
the
people
who
are
not
finding
us?
C
C
B
Pull
people
into
we
need
to
be
clear
what
we're
looking
for,
what
kind
of
input
we're
looking
for,
because
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
many
that
are
working
and
organizations
that
are
a
little
not
as
free
to
join
groups
like
this,
but
I
still
think.
You
know
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
contributions.
You
know
for
problem
scenarios
and
things
like
that
right.
C
So
when
you
say
what
input
we're
looking
for
and
that's
a
great
example
give
me
some
ideas
of
what
that
might
mean
at
least
from
where
yeah.
What
does
that
mean
foreign?
So.
B
B
C
C
When
because
I
use
the
the
the
slides
from
Andrea's
presentation
that
he
just
did.
That
showed
the
roadmap
for
CD
events.
And
he
has
this
great
diagram
of
like
the
broker
system,
which
is
what
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
see.
Kind
of
happen.
Somewhere
as
a
project
or.
C
Project,
but
it's
that
explanation
that
I've
been
carrying
around
and
trying
to
explain
to
people
the
difference
between
something,
that's
interoperable,
where
you
can
just
drop
it
in
and
it
fits
a
paradigm
and
that
Paradigm
lets
it
integrate
into
the
rest
of
the
service
and
it
understands
where
it
fits
in
the
service
and
then
other
components
can
say:
okay.
This
is
the
new
thing
that
does
X
and
continue
on
in
that
process.
C
Right,
it's
the
same
kind
of
messaging
or
simplification
that
I
think
will
help
with
what
we're
looking
for
from
what
is
interoperable
right.
How
do
we
take
that
to
the
next
step
and
do
something
with
it,
but
where
I
struggle
is
especially
like
internally,
because,
like
you
know,
how
do
you
get
that
to
click
over
it's
to
someone
who
is
coming
completely
from
the
outside
right
and
they're,
like
okay,
I,
think
I
kind
of
get
it?
But
it's
like
you
know
yeah.
C
So
that's
where
I'm
a
little
stuck
in
my
own
presentations
about
interoperability
and
I,
don't
know
where
I
was
going
with
that
other
than
I
was
hoping
that
you
had
a
magic
solution.
A
Yeah,
we
actually
gave
quite
a
few
talks
around
this
and
I
think
we
have
a
slight
for
that
which
may
not
be
correct
but
like
because
we
got
similar
questions
like
when
we
talk
about
into
people
say
like
oh
Jenkins.
That
screen
could
work
with
each
other
pretty
well,
and
we
say
that
is
exactly
what
we
are
talking
about.
It
is
only
for
Jenkins
and
speaker.
They
are
very
well
integrated,
great
worldwide
communities,
whatever
what
whatever
techno
will
it
work?
A
No,
because
nobody
integrate
any
of
those
tools
with
tecton,
and
that
is
what
we
we
were
trying
to
explain.
I
think
I
have
a
interopera
ability
just
trying
to
find
that
description.
I,
don't
know
if
you
agree
to
that,
but
just
this
for
the
cubecon
talk
somewhere
yeah.
Let
me
just
share
my
screen
if
it
is
okay
with
you
yeah.
A
Like
integration
of
an
additional
coordinated
engineering
afford
maintenance
course
depleting
Services
can
be
hard
work,
interability
openly
defined
interface
and
metadata.
So
it's
like
cdos
works
on
a
data
model.
You
know
it's,
it
has
its
specification
and
then
you
can
use
cloud.
Events
to
you
know
as
a
as
a
name
model
and
then
get
it
services
and
so
on.
A
A
Yeah
I
think
yeah.
This
is
this
is
a
coupon
talk
me
and
Kara
gave
like
2021.
This
is
like
two
years
old
now
and
yeah
just
use
it
yeah.
It's
like
there
are
some
benefits
like
maintainability,
some
other
stuff,
like
four
Keys,
like
Dora
metrics,
like
how
it
relates
to
our
metrics,
like
interval,
okay,
we
talk
about
this
open
interface
and
standardized
data,
metadata
data
model
or
whatever
that
enables
you
to
achieve
this
type
of
stuff
as
well,
because
we
have
one
a
of
getting
all
that
data
stored
somewhere.
A
So
you
can
make
some
measurements
using
that
right
and
then
half
of
the
deck
is
about
CDF
itself.
The
other
thing
maybe
I
can
share
with
you
is
so
if
you
want
to
see
what
we
did
in
Sig
introverty
in
2020,
we
actually
published
a
blog
post
2020
year
in
review,
so
I
am
putting
link
to
chat
as
well
and
yeah
2001.
We
switched
our
Focus
today
with
more
security
software
supply
chain
and
so
on,
because
everyone
was
logging,
our
software
supply
chain,
but
this
also
talks
about
some
shares
vocabulary.
A
Talks
about
the
roadmap
at
that
point
in
time
and
some
other
initiatives
we
had
there
just
to
give
you
an
idea
what
we
were
talking
if
I
made
one
more
thing
last
week,
board
approached
strategy
course
for
2023,
and
this
last
call
is
actually.
It
includes
interability
indirectly
It's
like
because,
if
you
talk
to
people
say
you
need
to
modernize
your
infrastructure,
you
need,
to
you,
know,
transform
your
organization
into
adopt's
contents,
every
devops
and
to
make
some
technologies
selections,
and
so
on
some
people.
A
Some
organizations
think
this
is
just
okay,
taking
2A
out
and
putting
two
B
in
it
without
thinking
additional
course
and
the
issues
it
might
cause.
That's
why
looking
at
interpret
is
a
bit
evolutionary
approach,
because,
instead
of
thinking
like
push
model,
everyone
do
is
doing
their
own
stuff
like
okay.
If
something
happens
up
there,
then
I
might
do
something
with
that
as
well.
A
Think
this
interability,
so
This
goal
we
haven't
published
this
yet
I
will
write
a
blog
post,
but
we
can
plug
interably
in
to
board
goals
as
well
same
board.
Strategy
goes
for
CDF,
and
one
of
them
is
how
we
can
evolve
the
CD
ecosystem
and
bring
some
alignment
within
the
domain
and
one
last
point
Sorry.
While
this
was
talking
great
I
had
some
ideas,
so
everyone
talks
about
platforms,
platform,
engineering
kubernetes
is
great
this
and
that
we
will
enable
our
developers
to
become
better
increase
productivity.
A
They
will
become
more
efficient,
more
happy
and
everyone
will
go
to
their
homes
and
so
on.
But
what
that
conversation
misses
is
okay,
you
can
have
a
platform
there
and
you
can
put
ahead
of
effort
to
bring
different
tools
under
it,
so
developers
use
that
platform
to
access
all
these
different
services.
C
Yes,
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly,
that's
literally,
where
a
lot
of
this
is
stemming
from
or
even
the
interest
of
fine
CD
have
been
systemic
from
and
being
able
to
say,
okay,
everybody's,
a
snowflake
they
need
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
use
the
pieces
of
the
system
that
they
want
to
use,
but
I
still
need
to
present
this
as
a
single
pane
of
glass
to
the
executives
right,
and
so
that's
the
conversation.
C
That's
really
easy
for
me
to
have
and
draw
people
in,
especially
at
the
executive
level
saying
well:
okay,
we've
got
a
lot
of
tooling,
but
if
they
all
did
see
the
events
we
can
package
this
in
a
way
where,
from
your
perspective,
you're
seeing
everything
end
to
end
but
being
able
to
bring
that
to
the
developer
level.
C
Where
you're
saying
here's
the
benefit
of
these
attachments-
and
this
is
how
you
can
use
it
in
your
day-to-day
once
this
paint
single
plane
of
glass
is
built
needs
that
example
of
how
do
we
then
move
something
in
and
out
of
that
quickly,
because
it
still
feels
like
integration
until
you
can
show
them
that?
Okay,
this
is
how
long
it
takes
to
move
a
piece
in
or
piece
out
like
if
you
wanted
to
switch
from
like
Argo
CD
to
flux
or
something
like
that
underneath
the
hood.
C
Could
you
do
that
quickly
within
the
system
and
if
they,
both
you
know,
were
using
CD
events,
you
could
and
here's
how
so
I
agree
like
that
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
I'm
trying
to
pitch
internally
to
the
benefits
of
like
this
is
the
long-term
goal
of
using
CD
events,
and
what
the
CDF
is
trying
to
do
is
that
you
should
be
able
to.
You
know,
move
these
things
in
and
out
quickly
with
interoperability
as
opposed
to
integration
and
having
that
list
of
work.
So.
C
A
This,
oh
you
were
in
that
meeting.
That
is
this
this.
Actually,
when
I
seen
the
CNC
platform,
engineering
white
people,
this
type
of
delivery
meeting,
this
tall
thinking
comes
from
there
because
they
were
also
in
similar
thinking.
Okay,
we
have
all
these
great
things
all
these
different
tools
on
their
white
paper,
but
none
of
these
tools
talk
to
each
other
right,
like
having
logos,
there
doesn't
mean
you
will
automatically
have
a
platform
for
yourself.
A
A
Project
communities
can
continue
doing
their
own
stuff,
but
they
should
also
include
in
terms
as
the
first
plus
concern
for
the
communities,
because
it's
not
just
about
my
tool,
it's
fancier
than
your
tool,
but
how
easy
it
is
to
bring
your
project
into
an
existing
environment
starting
from
Greenfield
is
easy.
You
know
but
hearing
the
next
thing
production
system
and
modernizing
that
don't
be
that
closely,
it
should
be
like
it
will
still
be
it
still
exactly
some
cost.
C
A
The
other
stuff
like
that
is
you
and
me,
were
talking
about
this
machine
to
machine
machine
to
human,
human,
to
machine
type
of
stuff,
visualization
DSL,
those
things
I
think
like
because,
like
again,
this
protocol
type
of
stuff,
they're,
very
low
level
and
then
taking
these
things
and
making
them
help.
Humans
is
another
level
of
effort
we
have
to
think
about
like
what
is
that
we
are
talking
about
visualization,
metrics,
DSL
and
so
on.
What
else
is
out
there?
What
do
we
miss
anything
like.
C
I
I,
that's
the
same
starting
point
that
you
know
those
were
the
levels
of
things
that
I
was
talking
about
and
still
the
the
conversations
that
I'm
having
internal
is
about
how
you
know.
Cd
events
will
get
you
through
those
levels
of
visualization
and
you
know
command
and
control
and
and
finally
to
get
to
the
point
of
analytics
and
it's
the
third
one
that
I
keep
like
flushing
on
but
yeah.
C
That's
that's
a
part
of
those
these
things
that
we
need
to
focus
on
I,
think
in
the
interoperability
group
and
Melissa
you
and
I
were
talking
about
this
last
week.
I
mean
it's.
The
same
thing
like
this
is
this
is
the
message
that
we
want
to
get
out.
How
do
we
identify
the
people
and
get
this
in
front
of
as
many
people
as
possible?
C
I
think
it
will
boil
down
eventually
to
like
you
were
mentioning
you're
going
to
a
different
conference
this
this
this
yeah,
it's
like
having
CD
events,
talks
or
submitting
those
talks
to
other
conferences
and
in
a
manner
that
looks
like
something
that
they're
talking
about
where
we're
saying
that
this
is
the
the
ultimate
solution
to
that
problem
and
understanding
the
problems
that
they're
trying
to
solve
in
other
groups
and
then
how
we
translate
that
back
to
what
we're
doing
to
be
able
to
to
kind
of
customize
those
presentations
to
their
problem
set.
B
A
B
A
C
Yeah
I
think
the
the
the
thing
that
I
saw
on
the
blog
just
now
was
the
Rosetta
zone
of
cicd,
and
the
importance
of
what
we're
actually
doing
is
we're
creating
a
consistent
language
across
all
of
these
tools.
That,
then,
will
let
us
speak
to
other
tools
because
we're
standardizing
the
language
but
still
giving
people
enough
space
to
within
that
framework,
to
do
what
is
specializing
their
tool,
but
then
generalize
those
statements
so
that
we
can
bring
those
together
yeah.
C
C
Maybe
well
I
know
what
would
help.
Maybe
I
and
I
don't
know
is
just
some
like
a
brainstorming
session,
maybe
Melissa,
where
we
kind
of
like
try
to
put
together,
or
you
know,
take
the
information
that
we
already
have
and
then
try
to
put
together
some
slides
or
just
you
know,
brainstorm
an
outline
or
some
slides
so
that
we're
actually
like
moving
this
thing
forward.
I
know
you
want
actual
things.
I
want
actionable
things
too.
C
To
say
like
okay
on
this
date,
you
even
if
it's
just
you
and
I
I
know,
fatigue,
has
a
lot
of
other
things
to
do,
and
so,
but
not
saying
that
you
can't
join
fighting
but
yeah.
C
We
can't
expect
you
to
do
everything
all
the
time,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
first
steps
at
least
start
producing
some
things,
and
maybe
from
that
presentation
we
can
start
down
the
path
of
some
blogs
and
who
our
Target
audiences
are
I
can
share
what
I've
been
breaking
down
internally,
but
I
haven't
started
to
shake
the
talks,
yet
you
know,
but
finally
I'm
at
a
point
where
I'll
have
more
time
to
focus.
I
actually
have
been
able
to
put.
C
B
One
step
like
a
beginning
step
that
I'm
imagining
is
being
able
to
have
a
a
nice
introductory
presentation
on
what
this
group
is
about.
What
we
plan
on
doing
some
examples
of
things
that
are,
you
know,
could
we
could
possibly
be
disgusting,
disgusting
and
stuff
that
we've
already
done
in
the
past,
because
I,
what
I
anticipate
is
new
people
coming
in
and
they'll
be
like
what
is
this?
What
is
this
about?
B
What
are
we
doing,
and
we
need
to
clean
that
up
for
us
so
and
there's
so
much
stuff
that
has
been
done
already
and
we
just
take
for
granted
that
we
already
know
about
it.
You
know
especially
see
the
events
right,
so
we
might
need
a
little
blurb
in
our
presentation
about
cdnance.
I
would
like
to
give
that
presentation
to
our
just
our
a
regular
meeting
in
profitability
Sig
meeting
but
prior
to
that
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
it's
happening
so
that
we
have.
B
You
know
some
more
people
showing
up
to
the
meeting.
Obviously
we'll
have
a
recording,
so
it'll.
You
know
we
can
always
use
that
as
well.
If
everything
fails,
but
in
order
to
prepare
for
that,
I
feel
like
we
need
kind
of
like
a
Blog,
some
shorter
statement
of
what
we
are,
who
we
are,
what
we're
doing
some
examples
included
and
write
about
it,
maybe
publicize
it
like.
B
We
have
a
ton
of
connections,
so
maybe
put
it
on
LinkedIn
and
then
maybe
send
that
LinkedIn
link
to
the
mailing
list
and
ask
our
mailing
list
to
please
share
with
their
communities
so
that
we
get
a
wider
scope,
because
obviously
we
don't
want
to
just
talk
to
people
who
already
know
about
us.
So
that's
one
idea.
C
Yeah
I
I
think
I
concur
with
that,
and
some
of
it
is
I
think
if
we
start
with
the
whatever
we
want
to
do
to
kind
of
make
those
bullet
points
to
figure
that
out,
but
we
want
to
say
in
there
I.
My
understanding
is
that
CD
events
was
born
from
the
interoperability
Sig
and
then
became
a
project.
Is
that
correct.
A
C
Right
awesome
so
I
think
having
that
be
a
part
of
like
what
the
responsibility
like
it
set
down
a
path
of
creating
this
language
vocabulary:
Rosetta
Stone,
whatever
we
want
to
say
it
is
and
then
that
this
other
piece
is
born
out
of
it.
So
it
needs
to
be
the
think,
tank
for
or
I'm
not
and
again,
I'm,
not
trying
to
say
that
this
is
what's
going
to
be
on
the
boulevard.
C
But
this
is
at
least
how
I
see
it
is
that
by
expressing
that
CD
events
was
born
out
of
the
Sig
and
the
Sig
is
the
group
that
says:
okay,
what's
the
next
step
in
interoperability
and
I
I
agree
that,
then,
how
do
we
get
that
message
out
to
draw
those
people
in
some
of
that
is
going
to
be
going
back
to
some
like
city
of
NSYNC
and
saying,
hey,
we're
restarting
this
effort
again
and
the
other
things
to
ask
that
question
and
draw
some
people
in
we're
already.
C
You
know
participating
in
other
things
to
get
their
thoughts,
so
yeah,
no
I,
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Does
that
make
sense
or
yeah
I'm
trying
yeah.
So,
okay
in.
A
A
Yeah
Salesforce,
he
he
worked
at
eBay
with
Justin,
and
then
he
moved
to
Salesforce
like
two
years
ago,
and
then
he
actually
brought
Salesforce
as
a
member
to
CDF
because
of
the
work
we
have
been
doing
so
I
think
we
can
reach
out
to
Ramin
and
say
this
work
is
restarting
like
we
are
going
through
roadmap
because
he
has
ideas
and
I'm
looking
at
some
other
people
from
the
list
like
this
video,
he
is
not
with
Reddit
anymore.
He
works
at
this
environment.
A
Company
I,
don't
remember
the
name
of,
but
that
we
can
reach
out
to
him
all.
You
will
not
come
from
sap
I
think
these
people
they
were
pretty
active
in
the
past
so
like
just
making
it
up
like.
Let's
say
we
have
some
draft
roadmap
or
something,
and
we
can
pass
it
to
them
as
as
initial
reviewers,
and
they
can
add
something,
and
then
we
can
publicize
that
probably
kind
of
get
them
engaged
Again
by
you
know
directly
sending
them
this.
C
Yeah
no
I
think
that's
a
great
way
to
do
it.
That's
that's
exactly.
You
know
what
I
was
literally
yeah.
We've
got
to
find
a
way
to
take
what
we're,
starting
with
go
back
to
the
groups
that
are
already
participated
and
say:
hey
we're
doing
this
again,
we're
starting
it
back
up.
Give
us
your
thoughts.
Can
you
re-engage
or
like
what
do
you
think
the
next
step
should
be
and
then
kind
of
go
from
there.
So
I
agree.
B
A
A
I
mean
or
I
mean
and
Oliver
knock
on
from
sap.
Yes,
okay,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,.
C
C
A
We
can
try
to
engage
this
group,
but
some
of
these
people
change
jobs,
some
of
these
people
mode
on
with
the
community.
So
we
don't
know
who
is
still
interested
in
this
topic.
So
we
can
try
everything.
We
have
a
mail
list
yeah.
That
could
be
an
additional
thing
as
well,
like
I
mean
so
like
you
can
send
a
mail
to
see,
interrupt
mail
list
and
see
who
responds
you
know.
B
Okay
for
the
initial
yeah,
like.
A
Half
of
this
group,
they
weren't
that
active
to
us,
like
they
were
part
of
a
few
meetings
and
over
time
they
moved
on
and
the
other
half
were
active,
then
some
of
them
change-ups
like
James
Rollings,
for
example,
or
James,
stretchen
and
Justin.
They
are
not
into
this
topic
this
internal
topic
anymore.
They
their
focus
is
on
some
other
stuff.
A
So
that's
why
I
am
highlighting
some
of
the
people
like
Ramin,
he's
still
interested
in
this
Oliver
I
think
he
would
be
interested
in
this
VIP
how
an
unmarried
just
based
on
the
conversations
we
have
been
having
like
last
year
or
something
so
they
wouldn't
say.
No,
if
we
go
back
and
ask
them
to
you,
know
help
up
with
stuff,
I'm
Brett,
obviously,.
A
B
B
B
Yeah,
let's
do
a
first
draft
with
these.
You
know
these
folks,
so
we
have
a
smaller
groups
just
to
start
with
and
then
send
out
hey.
This
is
what
we
put
together.
What
are
your
thoughts
to
the
mailing
group
and
then,
when
we
get
it
finalized,
then
I'd
like
to
you
know,
make
a
LinkedIn,
post
or
a
blog
or
something
and
then
be
able
to
add,
send
that
to
the
mailing
list
and
ask
them
to
post
to
their
channels.
A
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I
should
bring
your
favorite
topic
of
policy,
but
I
will
do
that
anyways
because
you
always
say
you
were
in
Austin
during
your
birthday,
but
another
idea
could
be
like
when
we
relaunch
this
effort.
I
know
it
makes
sense
to
relaunch
it
with
not
just
blog
post,
but
maybe
with
white
paper.
Describing
this
like
a
short
one.
C
A
B
C
Me
so
I
will
get
that
resolved
and
get
that
to
Melissa,
so
she
can
prove
it
and
then
we
can
go
from
it.
Okay,
all.
A
B
Yeah
and
I'll
ping
you
two
on
the
side
just
to
to
get
this
started
so
that
we're
ready
for
next
meeting
we'll
have
a
better
status,
speaking
of
which
we
usually
pause
for
vacation
times
when
people
are
out
during
the
summer.
Do
we
have
an
idea
when
that
would
be
the
best
time
to
do
that,
or
should
we
not
pause
this
time
around
I.
A
Maybe
we
can
Target
August
as
the
relaunch
all
this
promotional
stuff
and
so
on
and
between
now
and
then
we
can
work
on
these
things
and
when
we
are
back
in
August
mid-august
or
something
we
can
just
start
publishing
stuff
and
start
with
meetings
like
when
is
the
first
meeting
in
August
3rd
of
August.
Maybe
we
can
Target
17th
of
August
as
as
we
launch
things.
A
And
then
we
are
relaunching
and
user
console
as
well
and
I
will
make
sure
that
chair
knows
that
interval
of
the
seek
will
be
relaunched
or
restart
or
the
new
roadmap
will
be
available.
I
don't
know
the
wording,
so
we
can
pass
that
information
to
end
user
council
members
as
well,
so
they
can
perhaps
bring
their
people.
A
B
B
Okay,
perfect
and
then
the
last
thing
I
had
on
the
agenda,
which
was
actually
the
first
thing.
We
skipped
right
over.
It.
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
formally
nominate
the
DC
for
co-chair
for
this
group
and
then
assuming
he
accepts
and.
A
Year,
I
think,
let
me
just
try
to
this
group.
Is
one
of
the
violent
groups
compared
to
I'm,
not
saying
like
other
groups.
Not
are
bad
are
not
very
nominations
generally
done
on
mail
list
right
or
like
I
think
when
I
stepped
down
was
it
you
Melissa,
you
stepped
up
I.
Think
I
attended
my
resignations.
Yes,.
A
A
So
maybe
good
way
could
be
to
us
just
into
announce
this
on
the
mail
list
like
I.
Don't
want
to
make
this
more
difficult,
but
that
was
the
practice.
You
know
you
can
get
Justice
and
send
an
email
saying:
I
am
stepping
down
from
City
interrupt
culture
role,
nominations
are
open
and
then
you
can
then
nominate
the
DC
like
perfect,
because
then
we
have
the
history
in
the
mail
list
as
well,
because
this
matter
for
some
people
like
they
see
they
want
to
see
how
these
groups
are
run
like.
Are
they.
B
Open
or
they
just
yeah
yeah,
exactly
I
I
intended
to
put
that
other
than
mailing
list
after
this
meeting.
But
it's
better
if
we
get
Justin
involved.
B
A
A
B
C
Some
Spiel
all
right,
yeah
I,
think
we
have
Spiel
for
me.
A
B
And
then
I'll
I'll
reach
out
to
Justin.
C
Okay,
oh
okay,
so
are
we
taking
the
15
minutes
or.