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A
A
No
leave
absence
confirmation
of
minutes,
someone
like
to
move
the
confirmation
of
the
minutes
moved
by
councillor
peter
young
seconded
by
councillor
pauline
young,
all
in
favor
against
carried.
Are
there
any
conflict
of
interest
declarations,
councillors.
B
Chairman
on
6.5
today,
there's
a
mention
of
rps
as
being
a
consultant
to
the
council
in
the
preparation
of
the
report,
but
I
did
run
it
by
the
city
solicitor,
as
I
have
previously
just
for
the
council's
information.
I
did
receive
675
dollars
from
them
way
back
in
2011
and
given
the
length
of
time
and
the
low
value
of
the
donation,
the
city
solicitor
suggested.
B
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
note
item
6.2
on
the
agenda,
which
I
think
concerns
the
nexus
or
nexium
development
at
palm
beach
for
council's
information.
At
some
point,
I
think
about
a
year
ago,
my
parents
contemplated
purchasing
a
unit
at
that
development.
C
A
Okay,
that's
very
helpful
information.
I
think
we're
all
in
a
great
furious
agreement.
There's
no
conflict
counselors
I'll.
Just
also
mention
that,
in
relation
to
7.1,
we
are
dealing
with
natural
areas.
Acquisitions.
A
So
traditionally
I've
had
a
conflict
that
relates
specifically
to
one
parcel
in
the
north
of
the
city.
The
officers
have
advised
that
there's
no
information
or
discussion
or
change
of
circumstances
in
this
report
that
will
deal
with
that
site.
So
I
don't
again
for
that
reason,
don't
intend
to
make
a
declaration.
A
A
Counseling
guys
did
you
want
a
presentation,
or
did
you
have
some
questions
or
what
would
you
like?
I.
B
I
was
concerned
really
about
the
centimetre
setback,
where
the
garage
is
basically
built
to
the
boundary,
and
I
know
that
the
report
suggests
there's
only
a
small
window
above
it
it.
It
concerns
me
that
the
the
things
referred
to
in
this
report
talk
to
the
average
building
height,
for
example,
and
that
it
is
basically
becoming
what's
expected
in
the
area
and-
and
I
don't
think
that's
correct,
so
maybe.
A
D
This
application
impact
assessment
for
a
dwelling
house,
including
partial
third
story
at
13
toledo,
surface
paradise.
The
subject
site
is
located
within
the
low
density
residential
zone
and
has
a
total
site
area
of
516
metres.
Squared
the
site
is
currently
vacant.
With
the
exception
of
a
pontoon,
the
site
is
adjoined
to
the
north
and
south.
By
dwelling
houses.
D
The
local
area
is
predominantly
low
density,
residential
zoning
with
the
streets
adjoining
bundle,
road
being
zoned
for
medium
density,
residential,
the
character
of
the
area
comprises
of
large-scale
dwelling
houses.
The
site
is
not
located
on
the
building
height
overlay
map.
Therefore,
the
height
limit
is
prescribed
by
the
zone
as
being
nine
meters
and
two
stories
with
a
partial
third
story.
D
As
shown
on
the
screen,
it
is
important
to
acknowledge.
There
are
a
number
of
dwelling
houses
with
partial
third
stories
that
are
exceeding
nine
metres
within
the
local
area.
The
largest
dwelling
identified
is
on
the
same
street
as
the
subject
site
with
a
maximum
building
height
of
13.6
metres.
The
average
building
height
of
the
dwellings
with
partial
third
stories
is
10.4
metres.
D
D
D
Please
note
that
the
following
floor
plan
show
the
canal
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen
and
the
road
frontage
on
the
right
for
a
south
orientation.
This
is
the
ground
floor
plan
which
is
made
up
of
predominantly
all
the
living
areas:
kitchen
butler's,
pantry,
laundry,
outdoor
room
and
a
bedroom.
The
second
story
contains
all
the
bedrooms,
all
of
which
have
ensuites
and
walk-in
robes
with
a
study
and
the
third
partial
third
story
has
a
living
area
and
a
bathroom.
D
The
location
of
the
submitters
is
shown
on
the
screen,
noting
that
multiple
submissions
were
received
from
a
singular
address.
The
key
matters
raised
where
height,
shadowing
and
privacy
site
cover
and
setbacks,
built
form
and
scale
in
relation
to
building
height.
The
submissions
raised
concerns
with
the
overall
height
of
the
partial
third
story
and
the
resulting
privacy
and
shadowing
concerns
being
out
of
character.
D
This
will
have
a
maximum
building
height
of
10.64
at
the
rear
and
presenting
to
the
street
as
9.9
meters.
This
will
ensure
the
proposed
height
is
consistent
with
those
partial
third
story.
Dwelling
houses
within
the
immediate
locality,
the
amended
drawing
condition,
will
reduce
the
building
height
and
will
result
in
shadowing
that
is
generally
consistent
with
a
nine
metre
development
condition.
Three
is
recommended
to
be
imposed
to
install
privacy
screen
to
the
partial
third-story
balcony
openings
on
the
north
and
southern
sides,
to
prevent
overlooking.
D
D
The
southern
property
contains
only
high
set
windows
and
therefore
the
reduced
setback
is
considered
to
not
adversely
impact
on
the
amenity
of
the
joining
property.
The
amended
drawing
condition
will
reduce
the
overall
height
of
the
garage
and
the
laundry
by
300
millimeters,
further
reducing
the
impact
on
the
adjoining
property.
D
City
office's
acknowledged
submissions
raised
concerns
with
a
setback
encroachment
into
the
waterway
setback.
This
slide
shows
the
ground
floor
plan.
Superimposed
over
the
aerial
mapping
to
demonstrate
the
extent
of
the
development's
encroachment
officers
within
the
hydraulic
and
water
quality
assessment
team,
assess
the
development
and
consider
it
appropriate
as
it
is.
An
unenclosed
structure
does
not
impact
on
the
hydraulic
performance
or
the
ability
to
maintain
the
revenment
wall
and
all
habitable
rooms
are
located
behind
the
8.1
metre
line.
D
B
B
So
is
it
simply
because
concessions
have
been
made
previously
and
it's
quite
clear
on
the
overhead
that
the
properties
to
the
north
and
the
south
have
a
a
very
large
site
cover
too.
But
I
was
also
concerned-
and
you
might
give
me
some
guidance-
why
there's
a
a
willingness
to
accept
the
six
metre
set
back
to
the
water
for
all
of
that
outdoor
area
rather
than
the
8.1?
I
think
it
is
that's
required
because
it
does
impact
on
the
neighbouring
properties
when
those
sort
of
concessions
are
agreed
to.
B
D
I'll
just
forward
through
to
this
one
here,
so
the
waterway
setback
line
is
shown
there
in
the
red
line
yep
so
due
to
the
design
and
the
orientation
of
the
site.
The
development
sort
of,
I
guess
angles
away
from
that
setback
line
as
such.
So
you
can
see
there
that
the
pinch
point
is
6.9
meters
for
the
outdoor
room
and
7.9
meters
for
the
the
northern
corner
of
the
outdoor
room,
noting
that
the
waterway
setback
is
8.1
meters,
okay
and
can.
B
I
can
see
what
I
can
see
that
on
the
screen:
no,
but
the
the
slope
of
the
block
or
the.
If
you
show
me
the
overhead
for
the
driveway.
B
D
The
cars
are
proposed
to
be
parked
inside
the
garage.
Oh.
A
E
B
A
Just
of
the
whole,
the
straight
the
aerial
shot
I
mean
the
problem,
is
you
just
go
back
one?
I
mean
you
can
see
what
the
neighbors
to
the
south
have
done.
Councillor
gates,
yep,
they
put
themselves
right
up
against
the
boundary
and
they're
pool
right
up
against
the
boundary
they're
within
the
waterway
setback
themselves.
I.
B
I
don't
know
that
it's
less,
but
the
fact
is
that
the
more
and
more
we
approve
these,
the
more
they
add
to
the
average
that
gets
presented
to
us
in
a
report.
When
quite
clearly
it's
not
the
intent
of
the
strategic
framework
to
have
such
over
development
of
these
sites,
and
I
I
mean
I,
I
don't
think
that
one
to
the
south
probably
came
before
us.
It
was
probably
just
shifted
through.
So
I
guess
my
query
has
been
today.
B
How
do
we
get
to
this
point
where
the
average
of
over
10
meters
becomes
the
reality,
rather
than
the
nine
meters
that
people
actually
expect
and
and
we'd
keep
chipping
away
at
it?
And
I'm
not
trying
to
debate
sorry
chairman
in
questions,
but
if
we
keep
on
going
we'll
end
up
with
11
meters
being
the
average,
so
I
I
just
don't
know
where
we
stop
with
the
the
partial
third
story
and
the
reduced
setbacks.
B
I
mean
20
centimeters
is
that
and
if
there
is
a
there
is
a
top
story
window
there,
because
I
drove
by
to
have
a
look
and
if
someone
sneezes
getting
out
of
their
car,
the
people
next
door
will
hear
it.
I,
and
so
that's
happened
first
and
the
other
ones
happen.
Second,
and
this
is
the
third
one,
and
I
just
worry
where
we
land
at
the
end,
if
we
just
keep
going
so
that's
as
much
as
I
have
to
say.
B
F
Well,
well,
I'm
tempted
to
speak
to
the
item,
but
I'll
just
stick
to
a
question.
I
am
not
familiar
with
the
area
and
I
don't
know
what
the
purpose
of
the
8.1
metre
waterway
setback
line
is.
So
could
that
be
explained
please
what
purpose.
D
Does
that
through
the
chair,
the
waterway
building
setback
line
is
aligned
from
the
waterway
yeah
and
that's
to
ensure
that
the
hydraulic
performance
is
maintained
and
the
reventment
wall
can
be
maintained
as
well.
So
our
hydraulic
officers
have
reviewed
that
and
consider
that
the
encroachment
for
that
small
triangle
there
won't
impact
on
the
hydraulic
performance
or
the
ability
to
maintain
the
revetment
wall.
D
B
H
Thanks
would
if
they
were
intended
to
put
a
swimming
pool
in
at
a
later
date,
would
it
be
able
to
be
put
into
that
zone
or
would
have
had
to
have
been
part
of
this
application.
D
Through
the
chair,
they
have
the
ability
to
lodge
an
application
after
this
development,
but
they
haven't
inten
haven't
shown
any
intent
to
do
so.
With
this
development.
G
G
Yeah
within
reason,
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
sort
of-
I
guess,
hypothetically
you
wouldn't
fill
up
with.
You
know
soil
that
area
with
within
the
8.1
meters,
because
you'd
be
taking
away
from
the
flood
conveyance,
so
the
pool
would
have
to
be
probably
lower
than
the
floor
of
the
house.
I
Mr
chairman
question
through
you
to
either
or
mick
or
the
director
whoever
wants
to
have
a
stab
at
it,
but
I
want
to
come
back
to.
I
guess.
One
of
councillor
gates
points
is
that
time
and
time
again
we
have
councillors
raised
their
concern
that,
by
a
landmark
concession
that
sets
a
new
priesthood,
we
then
get
the
response
that
every
application
is
assessed
on
its
merit
and
that's
not
setting
precedence.
Yet
we
just
had
a
clear
explanation
on
this.
One
that
precedent
set
from
former
concessions
are
now
being
used
to
justify
and
approval.
C
C
You,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
thank
council
gates
for
her
contribution
today
and
councillor
hamill,
for
his
tangential
question
I
think,
what's
really
important
is
that
we
have
development
that
is
sympathetic
to
the
character
of
neighborhoods,
that
we
can
reinforce
all
the
good
things
about
a
particular
area.
C
What
was
persuasive
to
me
during
this
discussion
is
your
comment.
Actually,
council,
caldwell,
that
this
development,
with
respect
to
the
others
nearby
is
probably
more
sympathetic
to
the
rest
of
the
street
and
doesn't
push
the
boundaries
as
it
were,
as
much
as
that
to
the
north
and
that
to
the
south.
So
while
it
may.
C
Be
at
the
upper
end
of
what
we
might
like
to
see
at
the
site.
It's
certainly,
to
my
mind,
not
the
precedent,
setting
development
outcome
in
the
neighborhood,
because
there
are
others
that
I
think
have
crossed
over,
that
a
line
have
built
two
boundary
proper
and
probably
represents
a
greater
departure
from
from
where
we
should
be
at
so
on
balance,
I
I
don't,
while
this
one
probably
isn't
what
we
would
like
for
the
site,
it's
by
no
means
the
development
outcome.
That's
pushed
us
to
this
point
and
it's
it's
within
the
realms
of
reasonableness.
C
So
yeah,
I
don't
like
bulky
things
at
all.
I
do
have
concerns
about
a
development
that
tries
to
meet
height
limits
on
one
end
of
the
site,
but
on
the
other
end
not
those
things
give
me
cause
of
concern,
but
because
city
offices
have
come
up
with
conditions
that
lower
each
of
those
levels
by
the
300
mil,
we
are
shaving
off
nearly
a
meter
of
height.
C
H
So
I'm
going
to
support
it,
because
I
think
that
it's
not
an
insignificant
change
in
the
context
of
those
at
that
lowering
of
the
height
over
the
over
the
three
levels
and
a
meter,
I
think,
satisfies
some
of
the
concerns
that
the
neighbours
have
had.
So
I
think
that
it's
actually
has
been
worthwhile
exercise,
bringing
it
to
committee
to
show
that
those
changes
have
been
conditioned.
A
So
the
process
has,
in
my
view,
has
worked
and
we've
been
able
to
make
a
significant
change
that
I
know
councillor
taylor
and
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
council
officers
prior
to
his
heading
off
on
his
honeymoon,
and
I
know
that
he
placed
some
value
in
the
reduction
in
the
heights
probably
doesn't
deal
with
all
of
the
issues
that
he
sees
emerging
in
his
neighborhood,
one
of
which
I
think
is
built
to
front
boundary
garages
which
we're
not
seeing
here
we're
seeing
a
double
garage
set
back
from
the
road
with
with
at
least
some
capacity
for
cars
to
be
parked
on
the
driveway.
A
But
certainly
I
think
this
one
is
pretty
respectful
of
of
where
it
sits
in
the
street.
The
setback
to
the
third
story
from
the
street
is
about
12
or
13
meters.
So
it
will
predominantly
present
to
the
street
as
a
two-story
house,
which
I
think
also
provides
some
value.
So
on
that
basis,
I'm
happy
to
support
it
as
well.
B
In
my
view,
the
aims
of
the
strategic
framework,
which
clearly
says
that,
for
that
suburban
neighborhoods,
are
places
of
low
intensity,
low
rise,
predominantly
detached
housing
and
that
they
they're
less
clustered
and
characterized
by
a
feeling
of
openness
with
buildings,
positioned
in
a
generous
landscape
setting
and
we're
certainly
not
getting
that,
and
I
think
the
likelihood
of
a
pool
is
is
great.
I
mean
it's
hard
to
imagine
a
home
of
this
size
without
a
swimming
pool,
so
that
will
mean
less
space
around
the
home.
B
J
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
not
voting
because
I'm
not
on
this
committee,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
I
share
councillor
gates,
concerns
and
with
a
a
similar
area
with
similar
concerns
in
my
division,
particularly
with
the
with
the
garage
it's
nine
meter
garage
effectively
because
you've
got
the
laundry.
So
that's
not.
J
What
I
understood
was
that
original
intent
of
an
increased,
effective,
carport
or
garage
to
the
side,
so
we're
we're
doing
something
new
by
effectively
allowing
the
laundry
to
go
in
there
as
well
and
be
caught
in
that
also
something
that
we've
come
up
with
and
what
I'm
seeing
practically
for
houses
that
were
built
ten
years
ago
and
complying
with
the
city
plan.
But
if
you
look
at
this
property,
the
the
reality
is,
there
is
going
to
be
a
parking
issue.
J
There
is
no
real
storage
in
there
for
a
family
of
this
size,
they're
going
to
have
bunches
of
stuff
that
they
want
in
their
garage
plus
two
cars
for
the
parents,
plus
whatever
else
for
the
adult
children.
That
concerns
me.
It
also
concerns
me
that
there's
nothing
really
in
our
city
plan
that
enables
us
to
ensure
that
people
are
building
for
their
actual
needs.
J
We
are
just
effectively
creating
a
parking
issue
for
ourselves
with
that
one,
and
then
my
other
concern
is
with
the
partial
third
story.
My
understanding
was
when
these
were
first
originally
allowed.
It
was
normally
for
a
master
bedroom
or
a
small
room
on
top.
This
is
a
very,
very
large
portion
of
this
house.
It's
not
like
a
small
partial
story.
It's
two-thirds
at
least
of
the
size
of
the
property,
so
it's
it
does
occur
like
every
inch
is
being
taken
at
every
angle
and
again
to
iterate
counselor
gates's
point.
J
The
every
reason
we
have
heard
here
today
about
why
this
should
be
approved
is
not
the
specific
outcomes
of
the
city
plan,
which
is
what
this
is
meant
to
be
assessed
against
that
it
is
less
clustered
characterized
by
a
feeling
ofness
of
openness
with
buildings,
positioned
in
a
generous
landscape
setting.
That
is
what
our
my
understanding
is,
what
our
bar
or
our
measure,
is
meant
to
be,
and
that
is
not
what's
being
presented
to
us.
F
Okay,
anyone
else
counselor
paulinho
and
thank
you
through
the
chair
and
just
back
to
councillor
patterson
who's
very
much
speculated
the
type
of
family.
That's
moving
into
the
area,
I'm
saying
mum
and
dad
and
adult
children
and
all
this
sort
of
stuff
is
going
to
crowd
out
the
street.
F
This
could
be
a
couple
moving
into
this
house
whose
children
have
moved
away
overseas
and
and
they
have
a
dog
to
take
for
a
walk
and
two
maseratis
in
the
garage.
So
that's
my
speculation.
It
could
be
so
I
think
putting
that
out.
There
is
the
reason
we
should
refuse.
Something
is
not
a
planning
issue.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
council
of
also
do
you
want
to
close.
C
Only
to
say,
mr
chairman,
that
I
think
council
gates
has
presented
a
number
of
very
thoughtful
comments
today
that
warranted
discussion
and
the
fact
that
we
ended
up
with
this
application
through
committee
and,
ultimately,
council
has
afforded
us
the
ability
to
properly
critique
it
and
support.
What
I
think
is
a
very
reasonable
position
taken
by
city
offices
and
that
is
to
bring
down
the
height
of
the
development
to
achieve
an
outcome
that
actually
aims
to
meet
the
average
in
the
street
and
not
permit
the
average
to
creep
up.
A
That's
right
in
favor
against
carried
if
we
could
name
sorry
record
counselor
gates
and
council
hamel
in
the
negative.
K
So
officers
have
been
working
hard,
reviewing
the
algae,
the
current
lgb
and
have
made
some
amendments,
and
those
amendments
relate
to
the
pia,
the
private
infrastructure
area
and
to
population
growth
projections
to
the
planning
horizon
time
frame
for
the
horizon,
a
number
of
other
different
various
components,
including
financials
too,
and
so
we've
had
the
estate
appointed
review,
look
at
the
draft
algeb,
and
so
what
we're
finding
now
is
that
they're,
happy
they're
saying
we
substantially
comply
with
the
requirements
of
the
legislation
and
so
the
next.
K
The
next
step
is
to
progress
to
state
review,
and
so
that's
what
the
report
is
about
today
is
to
say:
hey
endorse
the
industrial
report
to
the
the
draft
algebra,
a
member
package
to
go
to
state
review.
K
There's
been
a
couple
of
areas
of
non-compliance,
the
first
one's
technical.
It
relates
to
the
priority
infrastructure
area
and
the
capacity
for
growth
within
that
area,
so
we're
partially
complying
that
we've
got
more
than
10
years
of
growth,
but
we
have
because
we
can't
do
any
other,
because
the
city's
metropolitan
and
developed
already
to
have
capacity
beyond
the
statutory
15
years.
K
A
K
Okay,
so
if
we
have
something
which,
for
example,
gold
cost
water's
got
infrastructure
that
goes
out
to
2066,
that
should
be
technically
up
to
2041.
K
Which
is
about
the
planning
horizon
and
it's
beyond,
but
the
reason
why
we
do
that,
and
am
I
getting
am
I
getting
to
the
point
here?
It
is
what
yeah
yeah
great
the
reason
why
we
do.
That
is
because
it
adds
to
transparency,
it's
it
enhances
our
condition
opportunities
and
it's
a
continuity
of
what
we've
previously
done
for
lg
porn.
K
That's
right,
yes,
okay,
however,
the
legislation
requires
us
to
only
apportion
that
part
that
can
be
attributed
to
the
time
frame
of
the
lg,
so
that
brings
so
we're
not
paying
for
the
full.
So.
A
L
L
L
If
that
makes
sense,
and
then
we
have
a
planning
horizon
for
the
algebra
of
21
years,
so
they're,
two
compliance
items
that
are
presented
there,
but
state
recognises
that
for
both
of
them
sympathetic
on
the
pia,
because
it's
difficult
to
draw
a
line
any
other
way
for
an
urban
consolidation
area
and
for
the
planning
horizon
non-compliance
for
one
network
to
show
projects
beyond
that,
it's
just
showing
additional
transparency,
so
they
were
happy
in
both
cases.
A
A
The
oracle
he's
coming
out.
F
A
F
So
yeah,
so
in
terms
of
the
water
and
storage
infrastructure,
we
actually
are
required
to
plan
to
ultimate
yeah.
We
include
the
infrastructure
in
our
schedules
of
work
and
our
map
to
show
transparency
for
development.
If
it
goes
out
of
sequence,
we
then
have
the
ability
to
to
bring
forward
charges
and
put
on
a
bring
forward
cost.
However,
in
the
actual
financial
modeling,
the
financial
modeling
only
includes
the
infrastructure
up
to
2041.
A
F
So,
in
terms
of
you
know
whether
we
can
afford
it
or
not,
those
2066
infrastructure
is
not
actually
in
the
financial
model,
but
there
for
transparency
for
developers
and
for
for
my
planners
to
understand
whether
we
need
to
get
a
corridor
whether
we
need
to
condition
on
a
development,
that's
within
sequence.
But
we
need
to
put
a
trunk
sewer
through
it
at
some
stage
in
the
future.
We
can
actually
condition
them
to
have
an
easement
through
that
that
development
site.
K
All
right,
so
this
is
where
we're
at
at
the
moment,
just
going
through
the
steps
we're
looking
at
we're
here
today
to
request
that
we
can
go
to
state
review,
and
so
you
can
see
where
the
yellow
diamond
is
there.
K
That's
where
we're
seeking
endorsement
and
the
next
step,
if
we
get
endorsement,
is
to
go
to
state
review
and
it's
tight
time
frames
to
make
the
deadline
of
june
next
year,
and
so
one
of
the
key
things
that
you
might
want
to
think
about
as
a
counselor
and
you'd
be
across
all
of
the
projects
on
most
of
the
projects
that
are
in
your
divisions
is
about
how
you
might
provide
some
more
input
into
into
the
elgip
into
the
draft
lgb.
K
So
between
now
and
public
notification,
there's
a
great
opportunity
if
you
want
to
work
with
the
networks
and
with
our
team,
to
see
to
clarify
double
check,
make
sure
that
you're
representing
the
community's
interest
in
the
time
frames
and
the
content
of
the
lgb
and
then
hopefully
make
a
formal
public
submission
to
council
of
ulster.
Did
you
wanna.
C
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
was
very
happy
for
that
last
sentence
to
be
finished
yeah,
so
so
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
I
do
have
a
question
on
your
point.
Far.
C
So
I'm
just
interested
in
unpacking
that
suggestion,
because
I
I
feel
as
though
throughout
this
process
counselors
have
been
engaged
through
the
speed
dating
workshops
and
whatever
that
we've
held
and
the
opportunities
to
be
briefed
that
we've
had
input
into
the
selection
of
projects
and
the
sequencing
of
those
projects.
I
suppose
my
first
question
is
when
this
does
go
to
public
notification.
C
If
there
is
a
proactive
ventilation
of
the
algebra
ii,
to
what
extent
can
we
respond
to
community
feedback
which
may
not
be
which
may
be
organized,
let's
put
it
that
way.
To
what
extent
can
we
respond
to
that
without
jeopardizing
our
financial
assumptions
and
therefore
our
affordability
tests?
I
mean
how
genuine
is
our
capacity
to
alter
the
algebra
in
response
to
community
feedback
while
meeting
these
deadlines.
K
K
But
make
that's
part
of
the
report
is
that
it's
now
a
different
financial
position.
A
J
So
we
will
do
through
the
chair.
We
will
do
an
assessment
of
of
any
of
the
financial
impacts.
We
will
also
check
whether
the
changes
are
triggered
by
growth,
which
is
a
requirement
for
the
algae,
so
those
sorts
of
checks
will
will
be
done
as
part
of
the
submission
process.
J
We'll
also
be
going
back,
if
required,
to
the
state
appointed
reviewer,
who
will
will
check
those
as
well
to
make
sure
it
still
remains,
compliant
with
the
minister's
guidelines
and
rules.
So
there
will
be
steps
that
that
will
go
through
to
vet
some
of
those
submissions
so.
C
Shimmer,
I
just
think
it
is
so
important
that
we
manage
community
expectations
through
that
consultation
process.
So
if,
for
example,
we
won't
entertain
any
submission,
that's
not
supported
by
added
information
about
population
growth.
That
needs
to
be
right
at
the
front
of
that
survey,
because
I
think
all
of
us
would
have
people
in
our
communities
wanting
to
champion
a
particular
road
upgrade
which
would
not
necessarily
meet
the
tests
of
trunk
infrastructure
and
would
not
be
growth
driven.
C
So
I
suppose
the
point
I
want
to
make
is:
we
need
to
be
very
careful
that
we're
not
giving
people
the
impression
that
they
can
guide
our
capital
works
program
for
the
next
10
or
15
years
to
deliver
a
road
upgrade,
for
example,
that
might
be
important
to
them
specifically,
so
that
that
really
has
to
be
crystal
clear.
And,
mr
chairman,
my
other
question,
I
suppose,
in
response
to
the
suggestion
that
we
engage
with
our
communities
is
perhaps
through
you
to
the
director,
it
would
be
super
useful.
C
Now
totally
acknowledge
that
I
can
hop
onto
the
interactive
mapping
service
on
council's
website,
but
that
can
be
super
cumbersome
for
people
to
use
on
a
mobile
phone
device.
So
a
lot
of
people
aren't
using
it
and
it
doesn't,
in
my
view,
present
an
overview
to
my
community
that
can
comfort
them.
That
development
will
be
met
with
supporting
infrastructure.
C
C
A
So
sorry,
the
most
likely
thing
I
could
foreshadow-
and
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
work
out
whether
we
can
stick
to
this
timeline
is
okay.
We
can
see,
there's
a
project
there,
that's
out
to
2031
and
the
feedback
is
we
think
that
should
happen
prior
to
2026
say:
do
we
so
we
assess
that
we
know
the
growth
is
there,
but
we
think
that
growth
is
a
bit
later
than
what
blah
blah
blah
and
we
bring
that
forward.
Does
that?
What's
what
does
that
trigger
in
terms
of
the
process.
J
Paul
can
I
answer
that
one
for
you?
Yes,
so
if,
at
the
timing
of
that
counselor
called
well,
the
timing
of
that
is
pertinent.
So
if
that
happens
prior
to
public
consultation,
we
can
do
some
of
that
process.
Work
in
terms
of
checking
the
financial
sustainability
of
that
before
the
need
to
make
a
formal
submission.
J
If
you
want
to
make
a
formal
submission,
if
it
ticks
the
boxes,
for
you
know
it's
triggered
by
growth,
it's
it's
not
a
material
impact.
That
kind
of
thing,
then
you
would
make
the
formal
submission
through
public
consultation,
at
which
point
we
will
pick
it
up.
When
we
go
back
to
state
review,
post
public
consultation.
A
E
E
This
is
quite
a
technical
document
and
typically
in
the
past,
I
think,
with
the
last
ld
we
had
a
handful
very
of
submission.
I
think
was
two
or
three:
is
that
right?
Oh,
my
goodness,
less
than
10.,
so
we
we
this
process
will
be
managed
differently.
We
can
certainly
count
divorce
to
look
into
how
we
communicate
it
and
send
around
to
counselors
before
so.
You
know
exactly
what's
going
out
to
the
community
and
absolutely
we
will
have
to
be
saying
to
the
community.
H
Not
a
dissimilar
question
in
regards
to
our
ability
to
advocate
for
a
change.
So
during
the
the
offline
briefing
we
spoke
about
a
park
at
hope,
island,
so
hope
island
is
blessed
with
population
growth,
but
not
blessed
with
any
investment
in
the
foreseeable
future
in
regards
to
sporting
activities
and
sporting
parks.
H
So,
mr
chair,
you
know
you'll
recall
the
hope
island,
which
is
now
called
the
hope,
island
sports
park,
which
I
think
was
previously
the
village
green,
is
currently
in
the
2036
cohort
of
investment,
and
I
suppose
I'm
interested
in
knowing
how
council
laws
can
advocate
for
a
change,
and
I
appreciate
that
it
may
not
be
now.
H
It
might
be
a
couple
of
steps
away,
but
that
would
be
for
me
an
important
piece
of
kit
that
needs
to
turn
up
now
now,
rather
than
in
15
years
time,
and
to
put
that
into
perspective,
we
hear
a
lot
about
population
growth
in
the
south
and
palm
beach,
but
based
on
the
modeling
in
this
information.
Here
the
hope
island
population
is
going
to
increase
by
30
more
than
the
palm
beach
population
in
that
same
time
without
that
type
of
investment.
H
So
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
correct
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
clearly
explain
to
the
residents
how
difficult
it
might
be
to
shift
something
because
of
the
the
financial
constraints
and
the
population
constraints,
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
spelt
out
really
clearly
at
the
top
of
any
document.
But
I'm
I'm
really
interested
in
how
council
laws
can
can
influence
it
without
stepping
over
a
line
like
we
have
had
to
deal
with
in
the
past.
Regarding
submissions
for
the
plan.
E
Through
you,
mr
chair
counseling
jones,
I
think
from
our
side
from
an
officer
perspective,
there's
some
pretty
detailed
tests
that
we
have
to
meet
in
terms
of
when
we
go
up
to
the
reviewer
when
we
go
up
to
the
state.
So
it
might
be
that
something
that
is
put
forward.
We
say
yes
that
meets
the
tests
or
it
might
be
that
we
say
look.
It
doesn't
meet
the
tests
in
these
particular
things.
That
might
be
a
growth
thing,
for
example,
at
that
point
in
time.
K
L
Through
your
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
council
owen
jones,
we're
working
with
the
queensland
government
statisticians
office
right
now
on
the
next
set
of
state
government
population
projections
they're
expecting
the
detailed
census
information
to
be
coming
out
around
june
this
year
and
then
they'll
kick
off
their
process
with
us
shortly
afterwards,
and
we
should
have
a
new
draft
scenario
as
early
as
september
october,
hopefully
obviously
depended
on
their
process.
L
A
And
I
don't
know
if
this
is
coming
later
in
the
presentation,
but
it
also
is
only
based
on
city
plan
in
its
current
form,
not
for
example,
growth
in
investigation
areas
or
the
amendment
two
and
three
package
coming
through,
so
that
will
obviously
put
some
growth
in
some
of
the
in
the
north
part
of
the
city
which
hasn't
been
contemplated
in
this
current
body
of
work.
That's.
L
B
B
And
I'm
sorry
tony
because
probably
weren't
here,
but
there
were
three
development
applications
at
kumara
south
of
foxville
road
that
contemplated
in
the
first
algebra
five
hectare
park.
It
they
never
eventuated.
We
missed
on
the
first
one.
Then
we
missed
on
the
second
and
it
was
felt
unfair
to
burden
the
third
developer
with
the
whole
five
hectares.
So
we
got
nothing.
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
your
question.
Councillor
gates,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
have
to
take
that
on
notice,
but
I
will
find
some
time
very
soon
to
get
your
understanding
of
that
process
as
well.
So
I
can
come
back
to
you
with
an
answer
very
quickly.
B
Okay
and
while
you're
there
talking
to
councillor
owen
jones
problem
with
perhaps
the
late
delivery
of
the
hope
island
park,
we
mentioned
yesterday
that
there's
the
item,
rec
lr
double
zero,
two
zero,
the
foxwood
linear
park
west,
could.
B
Page
96
and
it's
five
from
the
bottom
that
park
is
that
that
is
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
deliver,
because
the
state
government
has
built
a
whopping
big
high
school
right
in
the
middle
of
that
proposed
connection,
which
actually
means
that
the
whole
linkage
can't
be
delivered.
B
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
councillor,
gates,
I'll.
Take
the
first
question
of
that
on
notice.
In
regards
to
the,
I
was
briefed
quickly
that
this
is
a
developer
application
or
sorry
to
be
contributed
through
the
development
process,
but
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
information
you
just
provided
then,
as
far
as
the
transfer
of
dollars,
I
believe
that
is
possible.
Okay,
so
again
take
that
on
notice
and
I'll
come
back
to
you
with
the
response.
B
Well,
I'd
just
like
officers
to
explore
first
whether
something
can
be
delivered
there.
I
don't
want
to
give
something
up
if
it
it
can
be
delivered,
but
I'm
doubtful
it
can
it's
along
the
kuma
river
there
all
the
way,
along
and
there's
setbacks
that
that
vary
from
prior
approvals
and
some
that
don't
exist.
Thank
you.
A
So,
council
gates,
I
am
happy
to
first
to
pursue
those
items.
What
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
at
the
end
is
that
we
ask
the
officers
to
keep
a
register
of
any
counsellor
variations
so
that
the
officers
can
then
report
back
to
us
at
the
next
occasion
and
then
give
us
an
explanation
that
council
gates
raised
the
removal
of
the
linkage
park.
B
F
Peter
young
thanks
chairman,
my
question
was
about
the
investigation
areas
which
has
been
responded
to
already
in
part,
but
I
just
wondered
about
how
we
do
factor
in
to
lgb.
Ultimately,
though,
those
growth
areas
or
growth
that
might
occur,
please.
K
And
through
the
jets
we'll
be
doing
that
in
future
elgips,
so
we
are
continually
lagging
behind.
Obviously
you
know
things
are
changing
all
the
time
with
the
city
plan
and
the
development
front
in
the
city,
the
actual
development
fronts,
and
so
we're
updating
constantly
when
we're
looking
at
putting
in
place
a
monitoring
so
that
we
can
assume
yes
or
no.
We
do
need
to
bring
forward
infrastructure
in
certain
areas
or
push
back
in
other
areas.
F
K
K
I'm
just
so
that
you
so
that
you
get
a
grasp
on
we've
shown
you
this
before.
This
is
about
what
what's
trunk
infrastructure?
What's
not
trunk
infrastructure
and
what
it
means
essentially
is
what
can
be
funded
through
infrastructure
charges,
revenue,
so
infrastructure,
trunk
infrastructure.
K
It's
required
to
service
demand,
that's
generated
by
new
development
and
it's
identified
in
the
lg,
and
those
are
the
couple
of
ways
that
it
can
be
identified,
for
example,
with
the
conversion
application,
but
we'll
get
into
that
stuff.
Now
an
example
is
there,
you
can
see
on
the
table
for
water
supply,
you've
got
water
pipes,
pumps
and
tanks,
and
I've
differentiated
public
parks
from
landfill
community
facilities
simply
because
you
can't
spend
as
much
infrastructure
online
for
community
facilities.
K
You
can't
charge
for
buildings,
non-trunk
infrastructure
is
it's
internal
to
a
development
generally
and
it
can't
be
used
to
fund
trunk
infrastructure
or
other
types
of
infrastructure.
K
Just
libraries
or
community
centers.
A
Yeah
so
the
bigger
items,
picking
up
on
council
ron,
jones's
point-
and
I
haven't
looked
at
this
closely-
but
at
the
village
grain
there's
also
supposed
to
be
some
kind
of
community
center
supporting
infrastructure
right
and
so
is
that
what
the
little
green
dot
stands
for.
Just
the
earthworks
to
create
the
platform.
B
Oh,
can
I
just
add
to
that
chairman
that
I
mentioned
at
our
briefing.
I
have
raised
this
at
the
seq
planning
workshops
that
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
were
able
to
pay
for
community
infrastructure
from
algeb
funds,
as
well
as
just
land,
because
it's
a
big
constraint
that
we
have
we
get
the
land
and
then
we've
got
no
money
because
of
the
cap
on
infrastructure
charges.
So
the
two
are
related
and
both
things
have
been
put
forward
at
an
seq
level
for
consideration
for
a
change
by
government.
A
So
I
spoke
to
alicia.
A
K
Okay,
thank
you
I'm
just
I'll
add
to
that
is
the
idea
that
you
know
there's
some
gray
areas
between
what
can
be
funded
and
what
can't
be
so.
You
know
how
big
a
toilet
facility
can
you
go
in
the
park
without
returning
to
too
big,
so
we're
talking
about
scale
of
buildings.
K
Yeah,
so
there's
sorry,
the
point
is,
is
that
there
are
gray
areas
and
the
offices
struggle
with
these
areas,
and
so
within
of
the
history
of
the
lg
regime.
We've
had
different
things
allowable
in
there
and
we're
not
100.
A
Thanks
council
gates,
we
just
need
to
know
council
gates
as
departure,
and
I
admitted
welcoming
councillor
toza
to
the
meeting
as
a
visitor.
So
thank
you
for
returning
to
plenty.
K
K
K
And
if
there's
some
contact
numbers
for
the
officers
in
the
infrastructure
planning
team,
any
more
questions.
A
No
but
alicia
is
it:
is
it
confidential?
What
the
value
of
the
infrastructure
in
this
program
is
and
no
and
is
it
confidential?
What
our
expected
recovery
and
funding
of
that
program
is.
E
E
K
Yeah
net
net
present
value
it's
3.2
over
21
years
billion.
That
is
sorry.
K
Yeah
we
do
so,
we've
got
the
water
supply
is
57,
but
that's
for
the
period
as
I
discussed
before
it's
a
longer
period,
but
we've
we've
taken
some
out.
So
let's
let's
be
clear
that
as
kathy
said,
we
extracted
the
stuff
that
goes
beyond
2041.
K
H
We
are
able
to
use
all
of
this
information
to
try
to
explain
to
people.
Yes,
the
story,
yeah
and
then
picking
up
on
your
earlier
point,
council
call
well
what
it
doesn't
do
is
it
doesn't
show
the
additional
costs
of
actually
providing
the
community
facilities
on
the
on
the
ground.
So
there's
almost
an
entire
body
of
work.
Over
and
above
this,
which
also
is
part
of
the
overall
shortfall.
A
If
we,
so,
if
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
around
council's
capacity
to
finance
and
fund
it,
we
need
to
just
move
to
closed.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
need
for
that
discussion,
but
otherwise
we'll
obviously
get
to
that
in
due
course.
A
And
I
think,
we'll
just
add
a
number
four
which
I
think
is
probably
the
cleanest
way
of
dealing
with
this
for
the
time
being
that
a
counselor
register.
A
H
A
L
No,
so
on
our
on
our
forward
program
through
the
chair,
we've
got
at
the
moment
lining
up
lg.
We
call
it
two
point,
one
slash
three
so,
depending
on
timing
as
to
when
we
get
the
updated
sensors
data
and
projections,
as
well
as
in
the
progress
on
major
update,
two
and
three
we'll
come
forward
with
another
package
of
work.
L
To
put
it
into
this,
one
will
be
very
difficult
because
even
if
we
get
updated
data
and
we've
got
to
model
its
distribution
through
the
city,
then
we
have
to
go
back
to
the
networks
and
do
all
the
work
around
modeling,
those
it's
very
difficult.
So
we've
got
to
do
it
in
a
staged
approach
and,
as
paul
said
earlier,
that's
part
of
the
the.
Why
we're
always
playing
catch-up,
because
we
might
do
amendments
to
city
plan,
then
we
have
to
do
updates
to
the
old
ship
as
well
so
yeah,
it's!
L
H
Councillor
jones
and
when
we
had
the
briefing
yesterday,
one
of
the
observations
was
in
order
to
communicate
this
to
the
residents.
What
we
are
missing
is
the
fact
that
the
state
of
queensland
doesn't
have
the
equivalent
for
their
infrastructure
networks
and,
in
particular,
trying
to
explain
what
work
that
we
have
to
do
on
our
road
networks
without
being
able
to
see
what
the
state's
same
overlay
plan
for
their
main
roads
in
particular,
makes
it
really
difficult.
H
So
when
residents
generally
complain
about
the
lack
of
road
infrastructure,
it's
not
really
our
network,
because
our
network
actually
has
a
10-year
plan
or
a
20-year
plan.
What
is
missing
is
the
overlay
and
the
commitment
from
the
state
to
provide
all
of
the
major
road
up
upgrades
and
the
the
comb.
Connector
is
one
example
of
that.
The
jabru
island
bridges
is
a
is
another
example,
so
we
end
up
having
to
explain
to
residents
that
we've
we're
almost
blind
to
what
commitment
the
state
are
prepared
to
make.
C
C
C
C
So,
mr
chairman,
can
broaden
that
question.
So
mr
chairman
threw
you
to
the
director
when
the
state
government
carries
out
infill
development
to
deliver
social
housing
somewhere
on
the
gold
coast,
do
they
pay
infrastructure
fees.
C
Mr
chairman,
when
the
state
government
constructs
a
hospital
that
induces
demand
on
our
local
road
network,
do
they
pay
infrastructure
fees.
E
C
You
know
I
had
on
maddox
road,
for
example,
house
knocked
down
and
12
units
go
up.
I
think
they're
under
construction
at
the
moment
now
no
one's
suggesting
that
we
shouldn't
have
an
additional
12
units
of
social
housing,
but
the
problem
was
because
it
is
acceptable
development
under
the
planning
act
and
the
planning
regulation
and
council's
hardly
a
referral
agency,
even
under
that
assessment
process.
C
It's
very
difficult
for
us
to
begin
planning
for
the
delivery
of
community
infrastructure,
because
we
actually
don't
know
where
the
population
is
going
to
start
popping
up,
and
we
don't
know
where
the
state
government
will
necessarily
construct
a
school.
So
when
we
begin
talking
about
the
issues
of
infrastructure
and
population
that
affect
us,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
all
make
it
clear
that
the
state
government
drives
so
much
demand
and
takes
very
little
responsibility.
In
fact,
it
shifts
all
of
their
costs
onto
the
rate
payer.
I
Three,
mr
chairman,
it's
wondering
how
easy
it
is,
so
the
officers
gave
the
general
dollar
figures
for
areas,
but
can
that
be
broken
down
further
to,
if
I
wanted
to
see
by
a
suburb
or
by
say
an
industrial
area,
to
get
an
idea
in
a
pacific
area.
What
we're
looking
at
is
that
difficult,
yeah
I'll
send
through
something
afterwards.
F
I
know
we've
got
these
detailed
tables
of
projected
growth,
the
existing
and
projected
population
and
so
forth.
I
wonder
if
there's
anything
whereby
I
might
get
percentages
of
growth
in
in
those
identified
areas.
L
Three
chair,
thank
you
councillor.
The
what's
presented
is
what
is
required
to
be
published
under
the
algeb
guidelines,
but
if
you're
requesting
something
additional
to
that,
we
could
get
that
too
and
slice
and
dice
it
in
many
different
ways.
Okay,.
D
L
A
A
C
A
A
E
A
Oh
good
so
moved
by
may
2nd
by
councillor
vorster,
all
in
favor
against
carried
what
else
were
we
going
to
talk
about
today
through
mr
chair,
the
other.
A
E
So
three,
mr
chair
councillors,
as
you
know,
major
amendment
two
and
three
was
submitted
to
the
state
just
before
christmas,
the
state
have
they
sent
us
in
a
pause
notice,
late
december,
that
was
over
the
christmas
period.
That
was
completely
expected
from
us.
Obviously
they
had
a
number
of
staff
on
leave
and
obviously
resourcing
as
well.
E
It
was
paused
at
that
point
in
time
until
the
14th
of
february,
which
was
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
on
the
11th
of
february,
we
received
another
pause
notice.
So
that's
our
second.
Our
second
pause
notice,
the
that
that
one
basically
goes
until
around
the
21st
of
march.
At
that
point
in
time
the
minister
will
then
be
will
start
reconsidering
the
time
frames
will
tick.
E
Over
again
in
terms
of
information,
we
haven't
received
any
huge
concerns
or
there's
been
a
couple
of
requests
for
additional
information,
some
that
we
had
already
provided
so
we've
reprovided
those
those
items
to
the
state.
At
this
stage,
I
think
we're
expecting
a
decision
on
the
amendment
in
may
at
this
stage
and
then
at
that
point
in
time,
we'll
be
coming
back
to
council,
but
again
that
those
time
frames
are
at
the
whim
of
the
state
government.
E
At
the
moment,
we've
will
continue
to
work
with
the
the
gold
coast
office
and,
if
needed,
obviously
let
councillors
know
if
we
need
to
write
to
the
minister.
A
E
So
at
this
stage,
where,
where
we
believe
that
we
would
still
be
on
track
for
a
july,
a
commencement
of
the
amendment
package,
but
again
we'll
update
council
if
we
believe
that
that
will
will
be
slipping.
I
think
okay,
so.
E
A
Whether
the
clock
has
started
to
meaningfully
run
and
whether
they're
actually
undertaking
their
part
of
the
work
process.
Okay,
thank
you.
The
other
other
thing,
let's
just
talk
about
councillor
hamill's
question
next,
which
was
just
in
relation
to
the
the
height,
for
example,.
E
The
precedent-
I
don't
know
if
mick
wants
to
come
out
for
this
one
just
to
talk
about
the
pre,
so
I
threw
you,
mr
chair
counsellors,
council
hamill.
You
were
right
absolutely
when
we
do
the
assessment
we
assess
on
merits.
I
think
what
came
out
in
that
report
was
the
provisions
and
the
strategic
framework
that
relate
to
the
character
of
that
particular
area
and
that's
when
the
officers
are
looking
at
character
and
we're
assessing
that
and
mick,
and
I
are
obviously
reviewing
those
reports
too.
E
The
character
is
the
character,
so
it
may
make
you
might
want
to
step
in
here
as
well.
It
may
seem
like
a
precedent
matter,
but
it
is
probably
in
those
situations
purely
going
to
the
character,
but
during
the
assessment,
the
ad
absolutely
confirmed
the
individual
da's
are
being
assessed
individually
on
its
own
merits
against
those
provisions
or
the
city
plan.
I
Just
quickly
before
you
jump
in
mix,
so
I
appreciate
that,
but
the
character
that
was
used
in
this
report
is
by
stuff
that's
been
approved.
That's
had
concessions
to
it,
so
we
are
establishing
the
new
character
by
allowing
concessions
to
occur
and
letting
that
creep
understand
go
on
with
it.
So
I
appreciate
it's
not
a
perfect
art
with
it,
but
just
that
was
the
first
time.
I've
heard
an
officer
use
precedent
in
their
response,
like
that
yeah
and
yeah,
whereas
I
think
it
nearly
every
full
council
meeting.
I
There's
some
counsellor
from
somewhere
raises
about
about
being
concerned
about
raising
a
precedent
and
that's
exactly
what
it
does
in
that
there.
We
won't
refer
to
that
property
and
say
because
of
what
happened
at
x
or
y.
But
if
we're
going
to
refer
to
the
character
of
a
neighborhood
and
it's
through
allowing
concessions
or
relaxations
and
certain
things
that
we're
establishing
that
new
character,
then
we
do
have
control
over
it.
So
either
we
do
or
we
don't
or
what
level
of
control
are
we
prepared
to
have
on
it.
G
Three,
mr
chair,
I
think
in
this
particular
case
as
well,
the
officers
had
listed
a
number
of
houses
in
that
street
and
that
locality
that
were
obviously
above
nine
meters.
I
think
a
good
portion
of
I
couldn't
tell
exactly
how
many
were
approved,
probably
under
the
old
2003
scheme,
where
the
height
was
eleven
and
a
half
meters
for
a
dwelling.
I
believe
so.
You've
got
that
that
forming
part
of
the
character
of
the
area
which
to
me
is
more.
I
guess
it's
not
the
same
as
precedent.
G
You
have
to
have
regard
to
the
character,
and
certainly
if
we
refuse
that
application,
I
think
that's
what
you'd
the
court
would
probably
give
some
weight
to
as
well.
Some
of
the
planning
act,
there's
relevant
matters
and
the
character
of
the
area
would
certainly
be
a
relevant
matter
that
you'd
have
to
have
regard
to.
I
Just
that,
mr,
I
know
I
voted
against
it
in
the
end,
and
I
was
very
close
to
being
the
other
way
in
it
because
I
think
the
reduction
in
the
height
and
the
few
other
parts
was
fine.
It
just,
and
maybe
it's
something
for
that
officer
to
take
on
board
that
response
of
talking
to
precedence
set
through.
What's
in
there
and
the
way
the
response
was
answered
to
probably
doesn't
really
line
up
with
the
response
from
the
manager
and
we'd
want
to
be
careful
on
that.
A
I
Well,
we
have
something
in
the
legislation
that
says
we
have
to
take
a
character
into
context
as
well
in
some
areas.
So
it's
not
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
because
there's
been
a
reduction
in
height,
you
know
you
could
could
use
old
stuff,
that's
already
in
an
area
to
help
approve
something
yeah
and.
G
Through
mr
chair
just
to
complicate
it
more
there's
no
sort
of
hard
and
fast
height
in
the
suburban
neighborhoods
and
the
low
density
zone
as
there
is
in
the
urban
neighborhoods
and
medium
density
and
and
high
density
zones
in
those
areas
we
haven't
yet
to
my
knowledge,
approved
anything,
that's
gone
over
the
50
percent,
because
it's
a
different
sort
of
criteria.
So
it's.
I
Yeah
it's
even
just
in
here
we
had
a
height
reduction.
It
used
to
be
11.5
knee
down
to
nine
and
we're
allowing
previous
heights
in
there.
So
just
because
it
now
says
in
the
mapping,
nine
in
this
area's
code
doesn't
mean
that
it's
going
to
be
anything
above
nine.
It's
not
going
to
be
an
automatic
refusal.
A
In
council
hamel
this,
where
we've
landed
on
some
of
these
big
houses,
has
been
informed
by
multiple
cases
that
have
been
taken
to
the
p
e
court,
where
there's
been
significant
examination
of
where
we
should
land
on
them,
and
if
I
was
to
draw
a
line
somewhere
above
the
nine
meters,
that
probably
is
a
fairly
comfortable
average.
It's
around
about
the
10.4
10.5.
H
A
H
Jones
and
I'm
assuming
the
character,
rests
in
the
context
of
the
immediate.
So
in
this
case
we
had
seven
or
eight
submissions
immediately
adjacent
where
the
as
just
a
light
person,
I
wouldn't
have
thought
the
character
of
what
was
being
applied
for
was
too
substantially
different
to
the
existing
houses
around,
and
I
know
that
we've
had
that
in
the
past,
with
some
of
the
huge
things
that
have
been
built
in
sovereign
islands.
A
Okay,
so
then
alicia
do
we
just
want
to
have
a
little
discussion
about
moving
forward
on
the
lg
and
how
we
fund
it.
So
I
mean
it
might
be
useful.
Do
you
think
just
for
us
to
go
close,
so
we
can
talk
about
those
hardcore.
A
From
the
far
left
and
the
far
right,
all
right
so
we'll
move
to
close
because
we're
we
need
to
deal
with
a
general
business
item
that
will
talk
about
the
budget
impact
on
the
city's
budget.
So
that's
the
reason
for
moving
to
closed.
A
A
A
Occupied
today,
so
okay,
so
we've
got
a
motion
there.
I'm
happy
to
move
second
by
council
of
worster.
Probably
don't
need
to
speak
to
it.
We'll
take
the
vote
all
in
favor
against
carried.
C
Another
gb
I
did
mr
chairman
or
I
should
have
that
in
her
inbox.
H
J
F
C
C
Yeah
look.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
as
as
we'd
all
be
well
aware,
qyc
is
a
government-controlled
enterprise
that
owns
a
significant
amount
of
developable
land
around
robina
town
centre.
C
The
state
government
has
indicated
that
they
intend
to
deliver
a
satellite
athletes
village
on
their
land
that
fronts
lake
lido
ahead
of
the
brisbane
2032
olympic
games.
C
What
I
reflected
on
is
that
there
may
be
provisions
under
the
prevailing
planning
instruments
that
afford
the
state
government
the
ability
to
present
large-scale
developments
to
council
for
approval,
but
with
only
40
calendar
days
to
assess
them.
That's
just
only
one
aspect
of
the
risks
associated
with
their
proposed
development.
Another,
of
course,
is
that
there
may
be
there
may
be
access
to
infrastructure
credits
or
an
ability
for
the
state
government
to
pay
no
infrastructure
contribution
whatsoever
towards
supporting
that
development.
C
My
big
concern
is
that
we
end
up
with
robina
becoming
the
dumping
ground
of
the
state
government's
accommodation
needs
without
there
being
a
commensurate
infrastructure
dividend
for
the
gold
coast.
I
think,
in
the
context
of
our
algebra
conversation,
if
this
development
is
to
proceed
by
the
state
government,
we
need
to
have
them
subsidise
as
much
as
possible
those
infrastructure
costs
so
that
there
are
more
funds
available
for
infrastructure
projects
elsewhere
in
the
city.
C
Mr
chairman,
I
wrote
to
the
premier
in
her
capacity
as
both
the
ministerial
shareholder
of
qyc,
who
owned
the
land
as
the
premier
and
as
the
minister
for
the
olympic
games.
Now
the
premier
didn't
bother
replying
to
me
directly.
I
received
a
letter
from
her
deputy
chief
of
staff
and
the
deputy
chief
of
staff
insisted
that
council
was
being
engaged
in
discussions
relating
to
this
development.
C
When
I
then
presented
that
letter
to
the
office
of
the
ceo
asking
for
clarification
it
occur.
It's
now
evident
to
me
that
city
officers
are
meeting
with
their
state
counterparts,
but
to
date
I
don't
feel
comfortable
that
the
community's
interests
and
aspirations
are
being
represented
in
those
discussions
as
early
as
they
may
be
in
the
process.
C
C
C
A
E
C
Officer,
I
thought
so
I
to
solicit
that
meeting
to
understand
what
was
going
on.
But
after
I
received
the
response
from
the
deputy
chief
of
staff
to
the
premier,
which
I
forwarded
to
the
office
of
the
co,
and
I
won't
name
that
officer.
I
received
a
reply
from
an
officer
to
say
that
they'd
been
meeting
with
their
state
counterparts
yeah
and
shortly
they
would
now
be
drawing
in
transport
offices
into
those
discussions.
C
What
the
only
offer
made
to
me
was
to
be
kept
in
the
loop
with
what
was
happening
rather
than
an
approach
where
the
council
would
be
engaged
to
help
decide
what
we
want
on
this
marquee
site
for
the
benefit
of
the
gold
coast.
So
I
want
to
change
the
complexion
of
the
city
officer
approach
by
empowering
council
to
decide
what
we
want
as
a
dividend
from
the
games.
A
So
kathy,
were
there
any
lessons
to
be
learned
out
of
the
games
village
at
parkwood
yeah,
so
we
don't
want
to
make
those
mistakes
again
or
have
them
made
for
us
if
we
can
avoid
it.
Yeah.