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A
A
full
complement
of
member
counsellors
and
we
welcome
councillor
baldwin
lumsden
and
councillor
toza,
who
are
joining
us
today.
A
No
leave
of
absence
confirmation
minutes
can
stay
start.
Are
there
any
conflict
of
interest
declarations?
Councillor
gates?
Do
you
want
to
go
through
those.
A
I
think
that's
the
idea.
Okay,.
B
Sure
so
on
6.5
I
received
a
donation
from
place
design
in
2011
14
and
in
2016
that
was
refunded
in
full
and
also
from
arcadis,
so
presents
a
prescribed
interest
for
me.
That's
why
I'll
be
leaving
the
room?
Do
you
need
to
know
the
amounts
there
on
the
screen.
A
B
A
B
It
was
1410
in
2011,
1850
and
14
and
1850
refunded
in
full
in
2016..
So
that's
a
declarable
conflict
and.
B
But
I've
had
no
discussion
with
any
party
related
to
the
report.
It
says
application
to
report
and
I
would
like
to
remain
in
the
room
and
participate.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
so
that
I
can
properly
manage
my
own
participation
in
the
matter.
I
just
want
to
bring
the
meeting's
attention
to
the
fact
that
my
wife
works
for
bond
university
who
have
interests
in
this
significant
area
of
the
gold
coast
and
I
think
own,
a
couple
of
developable
parcels.
C
C
I've
just
brought
this
to
the
attention
of
the
meeting,
not
because
I
intend
making
a
declarable
conflict
of
interest,
because
I'm
satisfied
personally
that
we're
dealing
with
a
matter
that
affects
a
significant
number
of
people
in
the
local
government
area.
But
if
any
of
my
colleagues
had
questions
or
wish
to
deal
with
this.
Procedurally,
I'm
happy
to
do
so,
and
I
raised
this
merely
because
it
would
affect
my
ability
to
participate
in
council
gates's
dcoi.
A
That's
fine,
thank
you.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
want
to
raise
any
matters
in
relation
to
council
of
also
okay,
so
councillor
gates
just
going
back
to
your
substantive
declaration,
so
you
are
making
a
declarable
conflict
of
interest
and
you'd
like
to
remain
in
the
room?
Would
someone
like
to
move
something
in
relation
to
that
participation.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
happy
to
move
that
council
gates
may
participate
in
the
decision
despite
the
council's
conflict
of
interest,
because
the
matter
at
hand
stands
to
affect
a
significant
number
of
people.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Anyone
want
to
speak
to
that
I'll.
Take
the
vote.
All
in
favor,
councillor,
hamel
cancer
on
jones
cancer,
peter
young
cancer,
divorce,
counselor,
pauline
young
chancellor,
o'neill
cancer,
caldwell
against
and
council
gates
did
not
vote
and
will
now
remain
in
the
room
for
item
6.8,
all
right
councillors.
So
we
will
unstar
6.5,
which
needs
to
be
dealt
with
separately
for
councillor
gates's
departure.
A
Yeah
councillor
peter
young.
D
Could
we
please
start
6.2
at
the
request
of
councillor
mcdonald
who's,
not
here,
but
he's
provided
some
input?
Thank
you.
Council.
C
Of
all
star
6.1,
please
and
6.4
and
6.8.
A
Okay,
I
just
wonder
whether,
for
the
sake
of
neatness,
should
we
just
unstar
six
points,
six
and
seven
and
then
deal
with
those
together,
mick.
E
Cancer
on
time,
so
if
it
helps,
I
only
have
a
really
quick
question.
Just
regarding
the
proposed
penalty
for
the
effectively
the
private.
A
Certification:
okay,
that's
fine
all
right,
let's
unstar
6.6
and
6.7
all
right,
so
the
remaining
start
items
are
3
and
six
point.
Three.
A
C
F
F
The
subject
premises
is
on
these:
the
screen.
It's
unit,
eight,
it's
consists
of
part
of
16
tenancies
in
492,
christine
ave
councillors,
there's
a
real
sort
of
mix
of
uses
on
this
on
the
site.
There's
two
massage
parlors,
there's
a
nail
studio,
beautician
real
estate
agent,
a
couple
of
tax
consultants,
they're
three
stories
in
height:
these
are
buildings
and
they
were
approved
originally
for
a
sort
of
a
a
mixed-use
type
arrangement
where
people
would
live
in
the
top
two
floors
and
work
down
the
stairs.
F
This
was
about
1992.
The
approval
first
came
in
and
over
the
years
it
sort
of
morphed
into
commercial
premises
on
the
bottom,
with
people
still
living
up
upstairs,
but
primarily
the
people
living
upstairs
have
no
nexus.
With
the
uses
below.
Funnily
enough,
the
subject
application
the
lady
who
runs
it.
She
actually
lives
upstairs,
so
I
think
she's,
probably
the
only
one
who's
actually
sort
of
conforming
with
the
original
intent.
F
F
The
here's
a
floor
plan
inside
our
commercial
premises,
massage
parlor.
There
are
three
treatment
rooms.
You
can
see
a
premise
reception
and
at
the
back
in
pink
you'll
you'll,
see
stairs,
leading
up
to
the
residential
component
on
levels
two
and
three:
it's
just
an
aerial
photograph,
it's
nestled
between
the
rabina
town
center
and
the
varsity
train
station
on
christine
ave.
F
That's
just
a
contextual
aerial
for
your
information
and
here's;
here's
just
a
map
showing
the
robina
central
planning
area
in
in
hatched
yellow
and
to
the
north
and
the
east
in
the
ready,
pink
area.
That's
the
planning
act,
that's
the
city
plan,
so
that
just
shows
that
it
is
located
in
the
rabina
central
planning
area
and
it's
not
under
the
planning
act
or
the
city
plan.
So
it's
regulated
under
a
plan
of
development
under
the
rcpa
there
have
been
a
central
planning
act
and
we're
in
the
southern
vale
precinct
and
basically
councillors.
F
The
assessment
of
the
commercial
premises
is
very
limited.
Really
it's
just
down
to
car
parking
and
general
amenity
concerns
and
in
the
report
that
you
have
officers
have
done.
An
assessment
on
car
parking
and
amenity
offices
are
of
the
opinion.
There
are
very,
very
little
amenity
concerns
with
a
commercial
premises.
F
Massage
parlor
operation
officers
have
looked
at
hours
of
operation.
It's
probably
the
strongest
consideration
in
terms
of
regulating
this
and
the
hours
of
operation.
Are
that
it.
It
ceases
at
eight
pm
at
night,
so
we
thought,
having
a
massage
partner
in
this
location
operating
after
8
p.m
could
result
in
adverse
amenity
impacts.
So
that's
why
we've
limited
it
to
8
pm.
C
F
Through
you,
mr
chair
council
received
a
complaint
from
a
member
of
the
public.
That
was
me
by
the
way
yeah
and,
as
a
result,
an
inspection
officer
visited
the
site
did
some
research.
There
was
obviously
some
evidence
of
the
massage
parlor,
possibly
being
used
for
other
services
other
than
strictly
massage.
F
And,
and
and
and
council
officers
also
issued,
what's
called
a
warning
notice,
it
couldn't
be
a
show
cause
notice.
You're,
all
familiar
with
show
cause
notices,
show
cause
notices
are
under
the
planning
act.
As
this
is
our
under
the
rcpa.
F
C
Mr
chairman,
counselor
tozer
just
took
me
aside
just
to
flag
the
fact
that,
in
his
view,
perhaps
I
may
need
to
manage
a
potential
conflict
here.
C
I
don't
believe
that's
the
case,
because
I'll
walk
through
the
circumstances
of
me
raising
this
concern,
but
as
councillors
we
often
will
drive
through
our
communities
and
report
issues
that
may
need
to
be
investigated,
whether
they're
potholes
dead
or
dying
trees,
and
what
have
you
and
where
I
had
a
reasonable
suspicion
that
there
was
an
unlawful
land
use
being
carried
out.
I
did
what
any
of
us
would
do
and
raise
a
cr,
and
it
so
happened
that
the
city
officers
then
took
the
step
of
acting
on
that
cr
and
investigating
the
issue.
C
A
B
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
I
was
involved
in,
I
think,
an
earlier
delegated
decision
to
approve
a
massage
parliament
the
same
complex.
So
on
that
basis
I
genuinely
have
an
open
and
persuadable
mind.
However,
I
do
have
some
specific
questions
regarding
this
development
application
that
I
would
like
addressed,
because
the
circumstances
around
its
lodging
are
quite
different.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
just
so
all
of
the
facts
are
on
the
table.
C
So
I
then
asked
city
officers
to
make
sure
that
that
earlier
approval
were
adhering
to
their
development.
Matters
turned
out
that
this
was
a
second
massage
parlor
and
then
obviously
there
was
some
warning
letter
sent
to
the
second
massage
parlor,
which
prompted
the
the
development
of
the
final
development
of
application.
C
H
H
H
C
Mr
chairman,
through
you,
could
I
just
ask
that
that
sign
that's
been
erected
inside
of
their
premises?
Plainly,
that's
been
a
little
bit
persuasive
to
your
thinking
in
your
professional
judgment.
Do
you
believe
that
signage
can
dissuade
an
unlawful
activity
to
be
carried
out?
In
other
words,
does
it
provide
some
support
for
any
development
approval
that
council
could
grant.
H
Through
the
chair,
well,
yes,
but
the
thing
is
I
like,
like
everyone,
no
one's
ever
tells
the
truth
really.
So,
as
I
said,
they've
removed
all
advertising
they've
got
the
signage
up
which
they
didn't
have
prior
to
my
original
visit.
C
F
I
witnessed
saw
the
sign
in
the
foyer,
and
I
asked
the
lady:
do
you
do
any
other
services
apart
from
massage,
and
she
said
no
also
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
the
prostitution
act,
1999,
which
is
actually
thicker
than
the
planning
act,
how
much
thicker
30
33
pages,
thicker?
Okay,
but
anyway,
this
act.
F
Has
a
regulatory
body
called
the
prostitution
licensing
authority?
They
are
the
body
responsible
for
regulating
sexual
activity
on
these
premises,
not
the
council.
The
applicant
has
applied
for
commercial
premises
for
a
massage
parlor.
That
is
what
we're
assessing
today.
If
there
are
issues
about
what's
going
on
and
of
a
sexual
nature,
with
the
possibility
that
it's
prostitution,
the
prostitution
licensing
authority,
are
the
regulatory
body,
not
us.
Thank
you.
C
Sorry
counselor
young
did
you
have
a
question
before
I?
Why.
C
Up,
mr
council,
mr
chairman,
could
I
just
ask,
does
council
have
any
role
say
say
we
grant
them
an
approval,
and
this
gets
up.
Does
council
have
any
role
in
investigating
allegations
of
prostitution
being
carried
out
at
the
site,
or
do
we
merely
make
a
referral
to
this
other
body.
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
that
is
a
good,
a
good
question.
Our
jurisdiction
is
in
relation
to
what's
in
the
the
rcpa
and
the
plan
of
development.
Quite
clearly
under
the
the
prostitution
act,
complaints
about
prostitution
or
sexual
activity
are
to
be
forwarded
to
the
prostitution
licensing
authority
for
their
attention.
So
we
would
be
a
referral
we
we,
we
could
make
a
complaint
to
the
to
the
pla.
Yes,.
C
So,
mr
chairman,
through
you
again,
roger
vicky,
maybe
roger.
C
Is
there
a
different
land
use
definition
under
the
rcpa
or
in
our
city
plan
that
deals
with
a
business
that
might
provide
essential
erotic
touch
services?
C
And
I
guess
I'm
asking
this
question
because
I'm
intrigued
to
know
whether
say
there
were
allegations
of
prostitution
occurring
at
the
site.
I
want
to
stress
allegations.
Surely
that
creates
a
land
use
issue
and
therefore
we
we
would
have
skin
in
the
game.
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
under
the
prostitution
act,
a
a
premises
where
there
is
two
or
more
people
providing
sexual
services
is
considered
to
be
a
brothel
okay,
that
is
a
land
use,
is
actually
a
it's
actually
a
regulation
from
state
government
to
under
the
prostitution
act.
So
you
would
need
a
license
under
the
prostitution
act,
but
it
is
actually
a
land
use,
but
you
have
to
have
two
or
more
people
performing
sexual
activity.
F
C
Say
that
this
application
was
being
lodged
somewhere
where
the
city
plan
applied
and
not
the
rcpa,
would
there
be
a
different
assessment
threshold
or
approach
that
that
would
be
taken?
I'm
just
trying
to
see
whether
you
know
this
is
more
permissible
in
rubina
than
it
is
elsewhere
in
the
city
because
of
the
state
legislation
through.
F
C
This
is
part
of
a
community
title
scheme
right,
so
this
is
a
unit
within
a
community
title
scheme.
I
always
labored
under
the
assumption
that
when
there's
a
proposed
different
land
use,
that's
being
sought
that
body
corporate
consent,
because
consent's
big
issue
is
required-
is
that
is
that
generally
the
case
with
the
city
plan?
And
if
so,
does
that
apply
here
in
the
rcpa.
F
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
that's
the
same
with
the
city
plan,
but
can
I
just
clarify
if
there
was
impact
upon
the
common
area,
they
would
require
the
consent
of
the
body
corporate.
So.
C
F
F
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
we're
able
to
provide
a
condition,
it
will
probably
replicate
what's
in
the
foyer,
which
said
that
this
is
john
john
neal
john,
was
the
assessing
officer
who
put
together
a
very
comprehensive
report.
So
john
we're
happy
to
put
a
condition
requiring
a
sign
to
be
put
up
in
the
front.
C
Mr
chairman,
through
you
to
council
gates,
would
you
be
happy
to
move
an
approval
that
required
the
erection
of
a
sign,
in
which
case
I'll
I'll
probably
not
find
my
way
to
support
the
application
at
this
time?
But
I'm
thankful
to
councillor
gates
for
doing
her
best
to
finesse
the
so
I
just
bought
it.
A
Okay,
so
can
we
just
roger
do
we
need
to
add
that
in
somewhere
or
just.
F
A
B
Yes,
just
very
very
briefly,
chairman,
I
think
no
one
is
100
comfortable
with
this
application,
but
it
is
a
commercial
premises
and
on
the
information
that's
been
brought
before
us
today,
there's
very
little
that
our
questions
or
our
suspecting
that
this
might
be
used
for
other
uses.
There's
not
a
lot.
We
can
do
at
this
point
in
time.
C
Mr
chairman,
I'm
very
pro
small
business,
but
as
a
policy
maker,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
supporting
a
diversity
of
businesses
in
and
around
our
major
centers,
including
at
rubina
town
centre,
and
I'm
not
personally
satisfied
that.
C
We
need
multiple,
massage
parlors
operating
out
of
this
very
small
mixed
use
development.
I
actually
believe
that
there
is
no
need
for
us
to
be
approving
this
land
use
and
I'm
very
uncomfortable
that
the
affected
community
title
scheme
hasn't
had
a
role
in
informing
our
development
assessment
process.
C
I'm
also
very
cognizant
of
the
burden
that's
placed
in
our
development
compliance
team
investigating
suspicions
of
unlawful
land
use
they're,
a
very
stretched
team
stretched
very
thin,
and
I
just
don't
think
that
this
particular
approval
will
make
their
job
any
easier.
Given
the
history
of
this
applicant
so
like
councillor
gates,
I
hope
the
applicant
adheres
strictly
to
the
conditions
of
approval,
I'm
passing
no
judgment
on
their
conduct
moving
forward,
but
plainly
there
have
been
issues
historically
and
I'm
not
sure
that
their
public
interest
has
yeah.
Those
concerns
have
been
overcome
today
with
what's
proposed.
D
I
asked
for
this
to
be
unstarred
and
I
was
approached
by
councillor
mcdonald,
yeah
divisional
councillor
last
night.
I
think
most
councillors
are
aware,
and
indeed
officers
are
aware
and
have
prepared
a
draft
motion
for
refusal,
and
I
would
like
to
introduce
that
motion
which
I
think
the
officers
can
present
to
us
on
the
screen
and
I
won't
be
able
to
speak
to
it
at
length.
A
Yeah,
that's
right.
Look
as
you
can
see.
There's
three
of
these
short-term
accommodation
matters.
Today
one
was
at
rabina
which
we're
going
to
deal
with
recommended
for
refusal
two
in
palm
beach
recommended
for
approval,
one
of
which
was
item
6.3
that
we've
already
dealt
with.
So
it's
probably
helpful
if
we
get
a
short
presentation
just
to
help
explain
some
of
the
differences
between
them,
and
so
we
can
have
an
understanding
of
this
particular.
I
I
So
we
can
discuss
these
matters
more
broadly
and
present
to
you,
as
planning
offices
where
we
consider
these
uses
are,
are
appropriate
and
other
areas
where
they're,
not
so
the
two
slides
that
I'll
be
giving
you
a
brief
presentation
on
today
are
11
telebudger
drive
and
7
12th
avenue.
I
As
you
can
see
from
the
slide,
the
application
here,
we're
looking
at
at
11
telebudger
drive,
is,
is
located
within
the
medium
density
residential
zone
on
the
western
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway,
the
site's
approximately
100
metres
walking
distance
from
the
highway
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
zoning
map
there.
It's
surrounded
by
medium
density,
residential
zoning,
with
the
open
space
zone
to
the
north.
I
That
open
space
zone
that
you
would
have
seen
on
the
previous
slide
is
the
telebudger
tourist
park
outside
of
that
land.
Juices
surrounding
this
side
are
a
mixture
of
dual
occupancies
occasional
dwelling,
multiple
dwelling,
accommodations
and
short-term
accommodation
for
this
particular
site
on
the
on
the
site,
you
can
see
with
the
blue
roof
on
the
corner
of
the
highway
adjacent
to
the
tourist
park.
I
The
other
site,
that's
very
similar
to
this
proposal.
Item
6.3
is
at
712th
avenue
palm
beach.
Again,
you
can
see
it's
in
the
medium
density,
residential
zone,
70
meters
from
the
highway
and
surrounded
by
development
within
the
same
same
zoning
context
map
for
you.
There
both
proposals-
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
presenting
them
together
today
as
a
result
of
a
show
cause
notice
issued
4-h
officer
investigations
determined
that
it
wasn't
an
amenity
or
noise
related
concern.
E
I
E
I
Both
short-term
accommodations
are
proposing
to
operate
within
existing
dual
occupancies
each
dual
occupancy.
Each
dual
occupancy
is
four
bedrooms:
each
they're
proposing
a
maximum
of
eight
guests
per
unit
and,
as
part
of
their
proposal,
they're
proposing
a
strict,
no
part,
no
party
policy
and
some
restriction
to
outdoor
areas.
A
But
airbnb
came
out
very
strongly
against
the
party
the
party
house
type
thing,
which
is
in
addition
to
our
own,
the
strength
that
we
have
in
the
city
plan.
But
just
as
an
observation,
the
booking
platform
itself
reinforces
what.
Obviously
those
owners
are
expecting.
I
I
Essentially,
this
specific
outcome
is
from
the
tourist
economy
section
of
the
strategic
framework
and
it
talks
about
having
a
mix
of
tourist
accommodation,
predominantly
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway,
which,
which
reflects
that
that
mapped
tourism
strip
that
we've
identified
on
the
strategic
framework
map.
However,
it
does
not
exclude
the
establishment
of
tourist
accommodation
on
outside
of
that
strip
only
that
it
predominantly
occurs
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway.
I
Now
there
are
several
existing
short-term
accommodation
land
uses
on
the
western
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway,
which
demonstrates
that
they're
they're
not
exclusively
on
east
of
the
highway
at
this
point
in
time,
they've
actually
been
part
of
the
of
the
palm
beach
fabric
for
the
best
part
of
40
or
50
years,
and
they
are
still
a
part
of
that
environment.
Today.
I
Further
to
this
you'll
note
on
the
slide
part
b,
4b
of
the
same
specific
outcome
goes
on
to
state
that
outside
of
the
the
key
tourist
areas
of
surface
paradise,
broad
beach,
etc,
that
there
are
other
areas
where
less
intensive
tourist
accommodation
can
occur.
In
particular,
coastal
suburbs
and
palm
beach
is
listed
as
one
such
suburb.
I
Now
the
key
reason
why
offices
are
comfortable
to
support
these
two
short-term
accommodation
land
uses
is
to
do
with
their
proximity
to
the
gold
coast
highway,
which
also
affords
them
particular
development
parameters
and,
in
turn,
provides
an
indication
of
the
anticipated
intensity
of
development
that
one
might
expect,
and
consequently,
the
anticipated
level
of
amenity
in
these
areas,
11
telebudget
drive
on
the
top
of
your
screen.
There,
as
I
said
is
mentioned,
is
100
meters
walking
distance
of
to
the
gold
coast
highway.
I
It
has
a
three
story
and
15
meter,
building
height
designation
and
an
rd5
density
designation,
and
it
also
adjoins
the
existing
telebudjera
tourist
bar
now
start
with
those
development
parameters
from
a
planning
perspective
is
multiple
dwelling
territory
every
day
of
the
week
three
stories
and
15
meters
and
an
rd5.
I
If
you
want
to
go
further
and
talk
about
712th
avenue,
which
we've
supported,
that's
got
a
building
height,
designation
of
29
meters
and
the
same
rd5
designation.
As
would
you
be
aware
that
all
blocks
on
the
western
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway
through
palm
beach
benefit
from
a
29
metre
building
height
designation?
I
J
Thanks
chair,
I
too
have
been
approached
by
council
macdonald
because
she
does
have
some
concerns
about,
especially
about
11
telebudger
drive,
one
of
her
concerns
and
you've
brought
up
the
term
appropriately
managed,
I'm
guessing.
There's
no
on-site
management
of
this
dual
occupancy
proposed
dual
occupancy.
J
I
was
pleased
to
hear
that
that
this
came
about
the
show
cause
notice
came
about
not
through
a
nuisance
complaint,
because
I
think
that
that's
where
council
mcdonnell
may
have
been
going.
So
that's
that's
really
good.
I
guess
the
the
second
aspect
I'd
like
to
bring
up
you
talked
about.
You
know
the
western
interface
of
the
the
coastal
stream
there.
J
Where
would
you
take
that
western
interface
down?
Would
you
take
it
down
to
townsend
avenue,
because
I
think
that
council
mcdonald's
concerns
too,
are
about
setting
a
precedent.
Where
are
we
going
to
draw
the
line
at
at
this?
You
know
the
coastal
stream
there.
I
Through
the
chair,
the
planning
assessment
branch
has
discussed
this
matter
in
considerable
detail
and
we
believe
through
the
area
of
palm
beach.
It's
that
block
that
fronts,
the
gold
coast
highway,
that
benefits
from
the
29
metre,
building,
height
designation
and
the
rd5
density
designation.
That
provides
a
clear
intent
for
that
intensity
or
built
form
outcome
that
that
is
the
extent
where
we
consider
to
for
these
land
uses
to
be
appropriate.
I
C
So
I
don't
believe
that
either
melissa
and
I
have
standing
to
make
a
gain
or
suffer
a
loss
as
a
consequence
of
these
two
decisions,
but
now
that
we're
talking
about
general
development
rights
within
that
area,
I
just
want
to
flag
that
in
case
any
council
wish
to
move
a
procedural
motion
to
the
otherwise
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
I
apologize
for
the
delay.
I
just
wanted
to.
J
Can
can
I
just
have
one
more
question?
Please
cheer.
You
may
not
have
knowledge
of
this
adam,
but
do
you
know
leading
up
to
the
show
course
notice
and
there
was
no
nuisance
complaints?
Did
you
know
whether
it
was
a
like
families
using
this
type
of
accommodation?
Not
wanting
to
be?
You
know
close
on
the
highway
or
in
multi-level
buildings.
C
C
I
Through
the
chair
offices
acknowledged
that
concern,
but
when,
when
we
went
through
the
slides
and
the
ones
that
we
talked
about
today,
probably
this
one,
which
is
on
an
extract
from
page
97
of
the
report,
it
provides
a
clear
indication
of
particular
suburbs
where
it
says
hey.
We
are
happy
to
support
these
short-term
accommodation,
land
uses,
probably
over
and
above
other
areas
where
we'd
favor
a
a
more
permanent
residential
population.
So
there's
a
clear
message
there
to
planning
offices.
I
I
So
to
me
that
that
provides
a
measured
approach,
I'm
aware
that
there's
potential
that
the
use
of
these
by
short-term
accommodation
would
take
away
from
permanent
residential
uses,
they
could
probably
be
used
if
they
needed
to
be
if
the
owner
chose
to
for
permanent
residential
use.
It's
not
like
you're
changing
the
fabric
of
the
buildings
right.
C
I
just
wonder
whether
we
have
an
understanding
of
when
in
documented
history
of
complaint,
of
with
a
lack
of
on-street
car
parking,
or
rather
parking
demand
being
driven
up
by
short-term
stays,
because
very
few
families
might
have
10
people
in
them
right.
My
grandmother
was
one
of
10,
but
I
don't
think
that's
very
common
nowadays.
So
if
you
have
potentially
multiple
families
saying
this
accommodation,
it
may
be
likely
that
they
have
more
than
one
vehicle.
I
Through
the
chair,
there
are
some
conditions.
Officers
have
recommended
that
talk
to
that
particular
matter,
specifically
condition.
Four,
that
talks
about
the
short-term
accommodation
must
be
rented
or
leased
as
each
with
each
unit
as
a
whole,
thereby
trying
to
manage
as
best
we
can,
that
car
parking
provision
you're
talking
about
there's
also
a
double
garage
for
each
of
these
uses
and
a
driveway
in
front
of
those
garages.
So
so
technically,
these
proposals
could
be
ao
compliant
with
their
car
parking
requirements.
One
bedroom
per
room,
they're,
four
bedrooms,
each.
C
I
C
Usually,
if
we
have
a
development
application
and
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
for
a
short-term
accommodation,
we
make
sure
that
there
is
sufficient
parking
on
site
and
that
there
is
visitor
car
parking
on
site.
This
just
happens
to
be
a
short-term
accommodation,
development
application
at
a
much
smaller
scale.
F
F
F
F
F
So,
as
adam
said,
we
don't
consider
we're
going
to
get
an
influx
of
this
type
of
product
in
this
area.
So
I
would
take
it
that
we'll
have
a
a
little
bit
of
pepper
potting
of
these
types
of
uses
in
this
area.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
have
an
adverse
impact
upon
the
street
environment
and
and
I'll
qualify
that
by
saying
that
these
are
existing.
We've
had
no
complaints
and
these
two
applications
attracted
zero
submissions.
C
So,
just
to
be
perfect
so
that
I
can
be
perfectly
clear:
I'm
not
trying
to
make
life
difficult
for
the
applicants
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
the
when
the
car
parking
requirements
were
assessed
where
they
assessed
on
the
basis
that
there
are
garages
available
on
site
correct
now,
just
spending
a
little
bit
of
time,
researching
airbnb
listings.
There
are
many
listings
where
people
are
not
guests
are
not
provided
access
to
the
garage.
G
C
A
I'm
happy
to
include
that
council
so
that
the
thing
is
that
the
house,
that's
next
door
who
are
permanent
residents,
could
well
fill
their
garage
and,
in
my
experience,
gold
coast
residents
themselves
need
a
good
spring
clean
to
make
their
garages
accessible
for
vehicles.
Because,
what's
going
on
in
every
suburb,
is
that
they're
being
used
for
storage
ahead
of
car
car
accommodation?
I'm
guilty.
A
We're
fortunate
here
that
we
have
that
ability
at
this
point
to
enforce
that,
but
you
know
that's
probably
going
over
and
above
and
creating
a
far
better
and
higher
bar
than
the
resident
that
lives
next
door
is
obliged
to
try
and
adhere
to
you
know
so.
Anyway,
everyone
who's
watching
at
home
go
and
spring
clean.
Your
garages.
H
Thank
you,
chair
and
through
you
to
adam
on
page
99
of
the
report
where
it's
got.
The
rules
include
the
following:
a
maximum
of
six
guests
per
unit
at
any
one
time,
so
that's
guests
and
then
on
the
next
line
and
then
a
maximum
of
eight
visitors
being
people
other
than
the
six
guests.
H
I
Through
the
chair
page
99
talks
about
an
operational
management
plan
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
with
the
proposal
that
talked
about
a
maximum
of
six
guests
per
unit
and
eight
visitors.
Each
application
has
four
bedrooms.
I
think
it's
probably
unreasonable
for
officers
to
condition
six,
given
that
you'd
probably
have
two
people
in
each
room,
so
we've
considered
it
based
on
its
maximum
occupancy
at
eight
persons
per
room.
Okay,.
H
But
yet
the
applicant
was
happy
with
six,
but
the
city
said
that
they'll
accept
eight
yeah,
okay
and
on
the
other
side
of
things
just
in
and
and
I
will
be
voting
in
support
of
this
today,
I
think
this
is
gives
us
that
mixed
tourist
accommodation,
we're
looking
for
and
particularly
we've
got
the
telebudger
rec
center
across
the
road,
which
has
a
mammoth
amount
of
people
going
through.
That
and
families
come
to
stay
locally.
H
We've
got
the
tourist
park,
which
is
one
of
our
best
performing
tourist
parks
in
the
area
which
backs
on
to
this.
So
obviously,
there
is
a
lot
of
of
tourist
noise
there
and
it's
every
weekend
and
then,
of
course,
taliban
creek,
which
is
a
family
family,
beach
and
families,
are
looking
to
stay
in.
H
H
Knowing
that
you
know,
people
coming
to
visit,
the
city
aren't
necessarily
just
coming
to
stay
in
a
two-bedroom
unit
and
squash
the
whole
family,
and
they
might
want
to
bring
an
elderly
relative
or
something
like
that
to
stay
in
an
airbnb
for
two
or
three
or
four
weeks
at
a
time.
So
I'm
very
happy
to
support
this
today.
Thank
you.
D
That's
been
teased
out
through
discussion,
but
I
did
give
a
commitment
to
councillor
mcdonald
and
unfortunately,
she's,
not
here
so
I'll,
introduce
the
motion
that
was
prepared
by
officers
at
her
request
and
I
think
that's
on
the
screen,
which
is
basically
the
council
refuses
the
issue
of
a
development
permit
for
short-term
accommodation
in
accordance
with
with
the
following
reasons,
and
they
have
presented
that
I
won't
go
into
detail,
but
it
lists
four
key
reasons
and
including
inconsistency
with
the
transport
code
and
overall
outcomes
and
performance
outcomes
of
the
residential
zone
code
and
the
strategic
framework.
A
To
for
the
sake
of
trying
to
be
fair
to
council
mcdonald,
who
was
unable
to
attend
this
morning
that
that
we
at
least
see
what
the
matters
were
that
she
was
proposing
to
raise
and
may
do
it
full
council,
I
don't
know,
but
yeah
counselor.
G
Just
I
want
to
get
my
head
around
the
the
language
that's
used
in
this
one.
I'd
obviously
can't
vote,
but
the
predominantly
low-intensity
residential
character
of
the
area
in
which
it's
proposed
to
today.
We've
heard
that
there's
29
stories
is,
that
is
sorry
29
meters.
It
just
occurs
to
me
that.
F
I
G
A
A
Well,
because
daf
won't
be
watching,
he'll
be
able
to
go
back
and
say:
I've
tried
so
hard,
no
hi
daf,
I
know
you'll
be
watching
from
home
and
we'll
just
include
the
that
the
garage
be
freely
accessible
for
use
as
part
of
the
approval
cool.
All
right
did
you
want
to
speak
to
that
councilman
jones,
no
counselor
young,
and
I
just
want
to
speak
for
against.
J
Chair,
I
just
want
to
say
look.
I
am
I'm
going
to
support
this.
The
officer's
recommendation
and
I
did
did
tease
out
some
of
council
mcdonald's
concerns.
I
was
very
surprised
to
hear
that.
There's
no
submissions,
because
when
council
mcdonnell
contacted
me,
I
thought
for
sure
there
would
have
been
the
show
calls
would
have
been
sent
because
there'd
been
complaints
about
nuisance
and
I
assumed
that
there
had
been
neighbours
who
who'd
actually
made
submissions,
but
that's
not
the
case,
so
I
I
really
do
have
to
I
support
the
recommendation.
Thank
you.
A
A
Well,
we
still
always
have
to
remember
that
you
know
tourism
is
such
an
important
component
of
the
city's
economy
and
these
are
small
things
but
they're
necessary
to
make
sure
that
the
product
mix
is
correct
and
with
a
growing
family
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
getting
any
easier
to
get
appropriate
family
accommodation.
So
these
things
actually
are
quite
helpful.
So
all
right
we'll
take
the
vote
all
in
favor
against
carried.
B
I
do
understand
that
the
strategic
framework
kicks
in
because
it's
an
impact,
accessible
application,
but
I
just
wondered
if
the
officers
could
give
me
some
clarity
when
the
strategic
framework
focuses
on
the
word
predominantly
so,
there's
not
an
expectation
that
these
pop
up
everywhere
in
every
suburb.
I
get
that.
But
how
much
focus
was
there
on
that
part
of
the
strategic
framework
in
deciding
the
recommendation?
Please,
because
the
recommendation
is
a
refusal
and
yet
it's
medium
density.
A
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
there's
a
significant
contextual
difference
between
the
two
palm
beach
applications
and
ten
emerton
crescent.
In
answer
to
your
question.
Councillor
gates
predominantly
was
used
for
for
the
other
for
the
other
two
in
relation
to
them
being
within
100
to
150
metres
of
the
gold
coast
highway,
where
the
city
plan
actually
wants.
These
uses
to
go.
10
emerton
crescent
is
over
three
kilometers,
three
kilometers
away
so
and
and
also
emitting
crescent,
even
though
it's
medium
density
residential,
it
is
within
a
suburban
context.
F
So
that's
really
what
we're
trying
to
focus
today
the
difference
between
a
suburban
context
and
an
urban
context.
We
went
to
great
lengths,
adam
in
his
report
and
presentation,
to
actually
demonstrate
that,
because
of
the
development
parameters
afforded
to
the
two
sites
in
palm
beach,
they
were
not
a
suburban
context.
F
Edmonton
is
a
suburban
context
and
it's
quite
quite
funny
that
the
two
palm
beach
applications
attracted
zero
submissions,
whereas
this
one
in
10,
eminent
and
crescent,
is
actually
generating
adverse
impacts,
and
we
we
received,
I
think,
12
submissions.
F
B
Yeah,
okay,
I
accept
that,
but
what
I'm
interested
in
knowing
is
does
the
definition
for
short-term
accommodation
focus
only
on
tourism,
because
I'm
aware
of
members
of
my
family
who've
wanted
to
come
and
visit
and
use
airbnb
they're
not
interested
in
going
to
the
beach
at
all
they're
interested
in
being
close
to
where
I
might
be
so.
Does
the
short-term
accommodation
focus
only
on
tourism,
or
does
it
contemplate
people
coming
to
our
city
for
a
short
period
of
time?
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I'll,
just
read
quickly
the
definition
of
short-term
accommodation,
the
use
of
premises
for
providing
accommodation
of
less
than
three
consecutive
months
to
tourists
or
travelers,
so
there's
quite
clearly
a
strong
intent
that
short-term
accommodation
is
really
focused
on
tourists
or
travelers.
Two,
a
manager's
residence
office
or
recreation
facilities
be
for
the
exclusive
use
of
guests.
If
the
use
is
ancillary
does
not
include
a
hotel,
nature-based
tourism
resort,
complex
or
tourist
park.
In
answer
to
your
question,
it
it
is
tailored
to
tourists
or
travelers.
Okay.
A
Also
just
note
that
the
height
map
seems
to
be
nine
meters
on
this
site,
so
again,
that's
more
akin
to
what
we
would
find
in
the
low
density
residential
area-
and
so
I
think
probably
what's
happened
here-
is
that
in
order
to
facilitate
duplexes,
which
is,
for
example,
what
we
have
in
paradise
point
you
get
a
medium
density
zone
with
a
very
low
height
constraint
and
a
very
low
density
as
well.
So
these
are
one
per
250,
which
is
what's
that
rd?
A
What's
one
per
250,
rd3
rd3.
F
Yeah
so
yeah
through
the
chair,
if
you
turn
to
page
157,
there's,
there's
two
gated
communities,
one
to
the
north
west
and
one
to
the
south
east,
we're
of
the
opinion
they
zoned
this
area
for
medium
density,
residential
because
of
the
existence
of
those
two
gated
communities.
But
when
you
actually
blow
out
the
area
to
a
larger
extent,
it
really
is
primarily
a
low
low
density,
residential
area.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
only
to
flag
that
there
are
a
few
wrinkles
in
the
original
ravina
master
plan
and
for
those
counsellors
or
members
of
the
community
who
would
hope
to
find
some
short-term
style
accommodation
for
their
friends
and
family.
As
roger
mentioned,
there
are
two
gated
complexes,
one
of
which
is
robina
resort
on
resort
drive
just
a
couple
of
streets
away,
so
there
is
no
shortage,
I
suppose,
of
apartment
and
resort
style
accommodation
in
the
area.
C
This
section,
though,
between
the
two
complexes,
is
very,
very,
very,
very
suburban
and
it's
also
opposite
ravina
common,
where
we
now
have
the
cities,
one
of
the
city's
largest
soccer
clubs,
together
with
baseball
clubs.
So
there
is
a
big
suburban
lived
overlay
in
the
area
and,
unlike
the
palm
beach
examples,
this
one
has
been
subject
of
community
complaint
and
community
submission.
C
So
I
was
actually
quite
interested
myself
in
how
city
offices
supported
two
approval
outcomes
and
a
refusal
in
this
instance,
but
they
seem
to
have
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
in
terms
of
community
aspiration
and
also
the
character
of
the
area
and
its
relation
to
other
tourism
infrastructure.
So
I'm
happy
enough.
A
A
And
just
just
to
the
offices
on
that,
I
really
brownie.
I
really.
I
really
appreciated
that
presentation.
It
was
actually
very
good
and
succinct
and
took
us
to
what
we
needed
to
see
as
a
highlight
of
what
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you
all
right,
so
council
gates
has
now
departed
at
10,
25
and
we'll
deal
with
item
6.5
moved
by
councillor
on
jones.
Second,
by
me,
any
debate
or
discussion
we'll
take
the
vote
all
in
favor
against
carrick
yeah
councillor
tyson
thanks.
A
A
K
Good
morning,
everyone
derham
writes
my
name
through
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
this
opportunity
to
just
go
through
some
of
the
pool
safety
requirements.
There's
two
items
before
you
here
this
morning:
the
first
one
is
to
deal
with
a
building
act
requirement
where
we're
required
to
provide
advice
to
our
ratepayers
every
four
years,
just
about
public
safety.
So
what
we've
done
is
created
a
brochure
that
gets
attached
with
our
rate
notice.
This
isn't
a
new
requirement.
This
happens
every
four
years,
so
we've
done
it
previously.
K
I
think
20
I'll
have
to
go
back
to
the
previous
one,
and
this
year
we've
tried
to
make
it
a
much
more
user-friendly,
much
more
readable
brochure,
that's
useful
for
our
ratepayers
to
go
through
to
actually
check
what
they
have
to
do
for
their
pool
fence.
K
That
includes
a
frequently
asked
section
and
some
obligations
for
the
owners
as
a
pool
fence
and
on
the
back
of
that
item
too,
is
an
extra
part
that
we
can
actually
do
some
media
in
the
lead-up
to
summer
each
year
just
to
keep
it
in
the
the
forefront
of
people's
minds
about
the
importance
of
pool
safety.
So
hopefully,
that
item's
a
fairly
straightforward
one.
K
The
second
item
is,
unfortunately,
this
the
other
side
to
the
coin,
where
we
actually
actually
have
to
raw
act
in
a
compliance
role
so
pool
safety
role
is
shared
by
three
different
parts
of
government,
so
the
department
of
energy
and
public
works.
The
state
government
actually
provide
the
legislation
and
the
requirements,
the
queensland
building
construction
commission.
K
They
register
the
pools
they
receive
all
the
pool
safety
certificates.
They
license
the
contractors,
they
license
the
pool
safety
inspectors
and
maintain
the
register
as
a
local
authority.
Our
role
is
actually
to
go
out
on
site
and
look
and
do
the
physical,
nuts
and
bolts
and
things
on
site
to
do
with
the
pool
fence
to
make
sure
it's
safe.
So,
in
our
development
compliance
area,
we've
got
a
number
of
dedicated
officers
who
have
got
the
tricky
role
of
dealing
with
that
and
making
sure
that
the
poor,
fencing
part
of
things
is
compliant.
K
The
good
news
is,
since
we've
had
the
implementation
of
pool
fencing
requirements,
those
numbers
have
gone
down,
so
the
role
we're
trying
to
take
in
development
compliance
is
to
keep
those
numbers
down
and
as
a
city
going
out
and
doing
the
inspection
part,
it's
a
very
important
role.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
got
a
slight
chill
at
that
last
statistic.
Personally,
so
yeah
any
questions:
counselor,
petty
young
and
councillor
aaron
jones.
D
Chairman,
I
appreciate
the
brevity
of
the
enormous,
enormous
impact
that
propped
open,
pools
and
pool
fences
and
other
issues
can
present.
So
I
wonder
about
the
method
of
advising
the
community.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
we
do
have
a
list
of
owners
of
pools
on
the
gold
coast
and,
if
that's
something
that
council
wish
to
pursue,.
A
D
Channels
I
can
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that's
good
for
everyone
to
know,
because
obviously
you
take
your
kids
to
someone
else's
pool.
You
may
not
have
one
yourself,
but
it's
good
for
you
to
have
that
information,
but
I
fear
that
most
people
would
probably
just
throw
out
the
flyer
and
that
efforts
kind
of
not
very
even.
A
Perhaps
we
could
do
both,
perhaps
between
now
and
full
council
could
we
do
some
background
work
on
what
the
costs
of
a
dedicated
mail
out
would
be
and
how
that
might
be
able
to
be
included
as
a
part
of
it?
Thanks
german,
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
noticed,
but
I
think
the
the
council,
social
media
team
seems
to
be
doing
a
very
good
job
of
things
like
the
transport
strategy
and
a
few
other
bits
and
pieces
at
the
moment.
A
So
I
actually
think
we'll
probably
get
some
good
traction
through.
K
A
Channels
as
well
yep
council
ron
jones,
then
council
of
awesome,
so
just
through.
E
You
to
counselor
young,
I
think,
last
time
we
actually
mailed
it
from
memory
to
gold
to
the
to
the
water
users,
and
there
was
some
concern
at
the
time
that
we
hadn't
actually
got
to
everybody
in
that
regards
as
well,
because
there
were
clearly
rural
properties
that
aren't
that
aren't
water
users,
but
are
registered
for
pools.
So
I
think
that
the
general
rate
base
is
probably
a
far
more
effective
than
the
gold
coast
water
database,
and
my
guess
my
guess
is
it.
E
It's
probably
covers
far
more
people
direct
directly
to
them
direct
mailing
directly
to
the
rate
base
rather
than
targeted
to
the
pool
owner,
because
I
think
again,
as
councillor
caldwell
said,
the
problem
last
time
was
the
number
of
pools
that
may
not
necessarily
be
on
our
database
because
they
were
pre.
Whenever
my
question
was
around
the
introduction
of
a
penalty
for
I'm
going
to
say
the
private
certifiers
who
do
the
work-
and
I
think
the
report
talks
about
that-
maybe
being
about
10
cases
a
year
is:
is
that
correct?.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
our
first
might
just
the
point
of
clarification.
Pool
safety
inspectors
are
a
distinct
licensed
class
within
the
qbcc
separate
to
private
building
certifiers,
so
the
vast
majority
of
pool
safety
and
certificates
are
issued
by
pool
safety
inspectors.
Although
private
certifiers
can
issue
them,
okay,.
E
So
the
pool
safety
inspectors.
So
I
think
the
report
indicated
that
it
was
maybe
10
times
a
year
where,
where
we'd
like
to
direct
the
penalty
directly
to
the
person
that
may
have
done
the
report
incorrectly
rather
than
the
current
regime
of
going
through
a
longer
process.
Is
that
wrong
through.
K
You,
mr
chair,
yes,
that's,
correct,
yeah,
there's
very
low
numbers
of
cases
that
would
want
us
to
take
action,
because
these
are
the
worst
of
the
worst
breaches
that
might
involve
pool
safety
inspectors
that
we
would
reserve
using
that
fine
for
yeah.
E
And-
and
I
think
the
report
implied
that
you
may
have
some
discretion
as
to
whether
or
not
you
find
them
or
not.
Is
that
yep
three
years
yes
and
are
the
majority
of
those
pool
safety
inspectors
from
the
gold
coast
or
are
there
some
that
have
issued
that
may
issue
certification,
but
not
actually
be
based
in
the
gold
coast?
Local
government
area.
K
E
So
so
I
suppose
what
I'd
be
really
interested
in
is
making
sure
that
we
concentrated
on
ensuring
that
if
there
were
pool
certificates
that
were
issued
from
people
outside
of
the
gold
coast,
local
government
area,
that
may
indicate
that
maybe
that
they
hadn't
come.
I
hadn't
completed
a
site
inspection
for
example,
and
that
it
was
maybe
a
cheaper
alternative
to
getting
a
result.
But
the
result
is
the
wrong
result.
As
far
as
safety
might
be.
E
So
I'd
be
reluctant
to
see
the
council
provide
too
much
discretion
or
leniency
if
we
had
a
breach
with
a
pool
safety
inspector
that
was
outside
of
our
local
government
area,
because
I
think
that
that
would
to
me
indicate
somebody
had
gone
shopping
for
the
cheapest
outcome
that
didn't
actually
re
reconcile
with.
What's
happened
on
site.
K
Yeah
through
you,
mr
yes,
that's
a
good
point
and
the
officers
do
use
a
number
of
discretionary
factors,
and
that
would
be
a
very
significant
one
and
there
would
be
a
lot
of
weight
if
a
pool
safety
inspector
did
an
inspection
say
by
remote
by
photos
or
by
something
like
that.
That
certainly
not
acceptable
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
that
would
be
a
good
case
to
use
this
type
of
breach.
Yeah.
E
And
so
I
like
the
idea
of
introducing
it,
because
I
think
that
I've
recently
had
a
helensvale
resident
that
had
some
issues
trying
to
get
a
pool
certified
after
a
breach
notice,
and
he
started
talking
about
how
he
had
a
mate
up
in
far
north
queensland.
That
was
going
to
help
him
out
with
the
certification
and
that
that
kind
of
really
concerned
me,
because
if,
if
they're
not
physically
seeing
what
is
on
site
and
relying
on
photos
or
videos,
I
just
think
that's
that's
where
we
have
the
challenge.
So,
yes,.
A
And
so
darren
do
we
know
roughly
how
many
pools
there
are
in
the
gold
coast?
I'm
sorry,
that's.
C
C
We
could
just
scroll
up
to
the
draft
city
officer.
Well,
sorry,
not
the
draft,
but
the
city
officer
recommendation
for
6.6
I'd
be
interested
that
to
see
a
an
information
or
education
campaign
that
also
targets
pool
shops
and
pool
service
people
at
least
providing
them
with
the
offer
of
resources
to
leave
behind
with
their
clients,
because
there
are
many
people
who
rent
homes
that
have
pools
and
they're,
not
necessarily
going
to
be
the
ones
receiving
a
rates
notice
or
a
water
bill.
C
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
at
least
going
the
furthest
step
of
making
some
printed
resources
available
through
the
actual
industry
that
can
be
left
behind
with
homeowners
to
give
us
the
best
possible
chance
of
getting
coverage
because
those
avoidable
child
deaths
are
shocking
and,
at
the
very
least,
perhaps
providing
that
collateral
to
operators
might
educate
them
so
that,
if
they're
attending
a
pool
to
service
it,
they
can
flag
with
the
homeowner.
Hey
that
you're
doing
the
wrong
thing
here,
propping
that
gate
open.
Here's,
some
information
that
you
can
act
on.
C
A
Just
out
of
four
that
that
the
information
be
made
readily
available
for
such
it's
just
a
bit
hard
to
say
so,
we
authorize
it
it
be
distributed
through
our
channels.
A
And
maybe
that
the
the
information
and
collateral
be
made
available
for
associated
industry
businesses
or
something
like
that?
I
don't
know
yeah.
C
C
B
I
don't
dispute
that
at
all,
but
the
point
I
was
making,
if
you're,
going
to
inform,
pool
shops
and
associated
businesses,
inform
the
real
estate
agents
as
well,
who
lease
the
properties
that
you
referred
to
and
to
whom
there
are
conditions
that
are
applied
about
having
a
pool
safety
certificate.
But
it
won't
ever
stop
anyone
propping
open
a
gate
which
we've
heard
this
morning
is
of
concern,
but
it
might
be
able
to
be
reinforced
through
those
agencies
as
well.
So.
C
It
was
when
you
interjected
before
I
took
it
when
you
said:
how
far
do
you
go?
No.
B
C
B
A
Any
other
questions,
other
questions.
No,
all
right,
so
council
votes
you're
happy
to
move
that
with
your
additional
four.
A
A
J
A
J
C
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
really
thank
city
officers
for
doing
something
that
this
council
has
hoped
for
for
many
years
and
that
is
to
delve
into
the
business
and
understand
what
the
risks
are
and
what
the
opportunities
are
for
this
critically
important
part
of
the
gold
coast-
and
I
say
critically
important,
not
because
you
know
I
myself
styled
mr
robina,
but
rather
because
robina
sits
at
the
geographic
heart
of
the
gold
coast
and,
unlike
many
other
parts
of
the
gold
coast,
there's
an
opportunity
to
curate
development
outcomes
because
we're
dealing
with
very
large
greenfield
sites.
C
C
What
this
body
of
work
attempts
to
do
is
to
do
something
the
state
government
has
refused
to,
and
that
is
to
seek
input
from
the
community
a
bit
as
big
a
catchment
as
possible
to
understand
what
their
aspirations
are
for
this
part
of
the
gold
coast,
and
it
makes
no
presumptions
about
the
original
master
plan.
It's
very
forward-looking
and
I
actually
think
in
very
exciting
body
of
work
and
for
those
counsellors
who
don't
represent
this
particular
area.
C
Can
I
just
say
I
believe
your
constituencies
will
be
affected
by
the
work
that's
carried
out
here,
because
what
is
proposed
is
a
series
of
land
use
and
development
outcomes
that
can
potentially
be
the
catalyst
of
excellent,
east-west
public
transport
outcomes,
so
that
all
of
the
money
we've
spent
investing
in
light
rail
and
heavy
rail
as
ratepayers
and
taxpayers
can
be
leveraged
to
provide
greater
economic
and
social
benefits.
C
What
I'm
particularly
excited
about,
mr
chairman,
is
that
it
ties
together
not
only
community
aspiration
but
the
aspirations
of
the
development
sector
and
has
regard
to
some
development
approvals
to
build
something
that's
cohesive,
so,
rather
than
taking
a
patchwork
approach
to
development,
this
body
of
work
tries
to
tie
it
all
together
to
protect
livability
economic
prosperity
and,
I
think,
to
realize
the
vision
of
rabinas.
It
was
set
all
those
many
years
ago,
as
a
living
paradise.
C
Ultimately,
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
to
have
moral
authority.
It
will
require
the
endorsement
of
the
state
government
and
rubina
land
corporation
to
progress,
but
it
is
such
a
thorough
body
of
work
already
and
has
such
a
good
process
about
it
that
it
would
be
a
brave
government
to
ignore
it.
And
again,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
city
officers
for
doing
something.
C
G
Toza
yeah
look.
I
just
want
to
echo
catholic
voices
commentary
on
that.
The
it's
really
quite
impossible
for
any
resident
of
division,
9
in
the
suburban
area
to
get
anywhere
in
the
city
without
going
through
this
map,
and
so
I've
been
really
really
chuffed
to
have
the
officers
come
and
brief
me
on
it
and
keep
me
across
it.
Whilst
it's
not
my
division,
it's
been
really
it's
really
critically
important
that
we
get
good
outcomes
there.
G
The
only
question
I'd
have
is
that,
on
all
the
underlying
maps
firth
park
is
only
representing
one
quarter
of
the
area.
There's
only
one
quarter
of
that
lot
is
green,
so
if
we
can
just
expand
that
green
space
up
to
the
m1,
it's
all
one
precinct
now
through
the
chair,
yeah,
that's
been
organized
this
morning.
Sorry
about
that
yeah,
so
good.
The
whole
thing's
yeah.
B
B
So
in
discussion
with
the
officers,
I've
had
some
words
reviewed,
and
I
would
like
to
move
that.
The
director
planning
environment
review,
the
land,
development,
guidelands
city
plan
policy,
sc
6.1.2,
landscape
work
and
the
standard
conditions
attached
to
development
approvals
regarding
entry
statement,
signage
and
structures
having
regard
to
the
proposed
size
and
scale
of
any
signage,
its
location
on
public
land
and
not
on
privately
owned
land
and
consideration
be
given
to
a
time
frame
for
signage
and
it's
possible
subsequent
removal
at
the
cost
of
the
developer,
and
that
that
relates
also
chairman
to
branding.
B
I
have
a
number
of
estate
signs
that
have
been
there,
perhaps
for
a
decade
or
more,
that
still
bear
the
branding
of
the
developer
and
they're
on
privately
owned
walls
which
make
it
very
difficult
for
council
to
act
as
those
signs
deteriorated.
I've
got
another
one
at
kumara
springs.
I've
got
some
on
the
east
side
at
kumara,
where
there's
vines
and
weeds
that
have
grown
all
through
the
signage.
That's
probably
150
centimeters
tall,
that's
just
an
eyesore,
so
this
will
help
us
all.
B
I'm
sure
we've
all
encountered
these
similar
problems
and
the
director
has
confirmed
that
they
will
be
able
to
be
addressed.
Thank
you.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Through
you
to
the
director,
is
this
currently
governed,
or
I
know,
there's
reference
to
a
city
plan
policy
here,
but
is
this
an
administrative
policy
or
is
it
a
policy
that's
contained
in
the
city
plan
and
I'm
asking
because
usually
a
general
business
item
would
ask
for
a
report
to
be
brought
back
to
council,
but
this
is
silent
on
that.
Would
you
take
this
as
a
direction
to
then
go
make
amendments
as
you
see
fit,
and
what's
the
process
for
change
through.
J
You,
mr
chair
council,
foster
we
come
back
to
council
once
we
we
have
done
the
work
it
is
contained
in
the
city
plan.
Obviously,
lg
in
some
cases
does
mention
desired,
send
as
a
service
and
things
like
that
as
well.
But
it's
not
an
administrative
policy.
A
Okay,
cool
any
other
questions.
A
All
right
we'll
take
the
vote
on
that
all
in
favor,
against
carrot
and
mix
here
so
counselors.
I
think
also
on
your
desk,
has
been
circulated.
The
development
activity
report
for
april
to
june,
which
concludes
the
financial
year.
If
you
turn
to
page
3,
you'll,
see
up
in
the
top
right
hand
corner
the
number
of
five
four
four
nine
for
the
total
development
applications
for
the
year,
which
is
a
world
record
for
golco
city
council,
but
in
all
seriousness,
very
big
numbers
and
a
healthy
increase
of
about
500.
A
So
strong
numbers
on
that
page
there's
a
highlights
package
of
where
we're
at
the
development.
Sorry,
the
building
approval
numbers
slightly
down
in
this
quarter
from
a
very
high
base.
Obviously,
but
for
the
year
again,
another
record
number
as
well,
so
we're
seeing
strong
di
activity.
We're
then
seeing
strong
construction
activity.
A
So
if
I'm
happy
to
move
that
this
report
is
noted
as
this
and
seconded
by
council
ron
jones-
and
I
just
wanted
to
extend
my
thanks
to
the
to
mick
and
his
team
in
particular,
because
I
think
this
puts
on
paper
how
busy
the
officers
actually
have
been
behind
the
scenes
and
they're
under
an
incredible
amount
of
pressure
in
terms
of
the
expectations
of
the
development
sector
and
the
community
and
us
as
a
group
of
councillors,
and
they
continue
to
deliver
so
thanks
to
alicia
for
her
leadership
of
the
department
and
to
mick
and
all
of
the
the
workers,
particularly
down
on
level
two
who
continue
to
grind
out
the
results.
A
So
thank
you
to
you
all.
Yeah.
B
I
just
know
in
in
the
dealings
that
I
have
in
the
north
of
the
city
and
how
frequently
I
call
on
the
officers
and
I'd
just
like
to
say
and
say:
congratulations
to
alicia,
because
there's
a
great
attitude
that
exists
within
the
planning
department
at
the
moment
and
it
and
it
is
significantly
different
in
my
experience
and
mick
and
roger
under
their
guidance.
It's
it's
fantastic
to
have
that
level
of
support
from
the
officers.
So
thank
you.
A
And
I
mean
today,
like
I
genuinely
meant
what
I
said
to
brownie
earlier,
like
just
a
really
good
level
of
technical
knowledge,
packaged
up
exactly
how
we
need
to
hear
it
for
today's
purposes,
and
they
continue
to
do
that
time
and
time
again,
so
very
good
work
so
good.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,.
E
G
Three,
mr
chair,
it's
it's
not!
It's
doable
it'll,
be
a
manual
task
for
the
officers
at
the
moment,
our
reporting
systems
just
sort
of
don't
let
us.
E
We
could
work
out
or
just
take
a
bit
of
effort,
and
I
think
we
know
that.
There's
always
this
difference
between
what
we
the
number
of
things
we
approve,
whether
or
not
it's
dwellings
or
what
it
might
look
like
and
then
what
ends
up
actually
getting
built,
and
likewise
these
numbers
don't
include
any
of
the
actions
that
the
state
government
may
be
doing
in
regards
to
constructing
dwellings
in
the
affordable,
housing
or
social
housing.
Space.
G
Yeah
three
missed
chair:
no,
they.
E
Don't
yeah
so
so,
and-
and
I
I
to
tease
that
out,
like
I
mean
notionally,
the
city
can't
really
be
doing
anything
more
than
what
we're
doing
at
the
moment
in
regards
to
delivering
housing
outcomes,
because
we've
got
a
record
number
of
development
applications
which
is
kind
of
indicative
that
we're
working
as
hard
as
we
can
that
what
we
don't.
What
we
can't
see
is
what
the
state
might
be
doing
in
that
in
that
space
as
well
so
on
one
hand
as
council
laws.
E
We
may
receive
criticism
from
the
state
for
not
doing
enough
in
that
space,
but
we
actually
can't
see
what's
being
done
and
I
I
recall
the
council
of
austria.
I
think,
however,
long
ago
asked
for
some
idea
of
what
the
state
were
doing
and
I
don't
think
we've
had
a
response
yet.
G
So
I
actually
had
a
similar
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
it
at
governance,
thinking
that
once
the
development
application
was
or
the
plan
was
sealed
or
something
there's,
obviously
some
sort
of
transfer
where
it
becomes
a
ratable
property
in
some
sort
of
category
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
that
would
be
a
planning
and
environment
exercise
or
whether
to
be
an
org
services.
But
it
occurred
to
me
that
that
would
be.
A
G
E
So,
very
broadly,
in
the
last
10
years,
we've
added
50,
000,
ratable
properties,
we're
doing
five
or
so
thousand
and
that's
across
a
whole
range
of
different
types.
But
it's
pretty
indicative
of
of
what's
happening
yeah.
So
I
suppose
I
don't
think,
as
as
a
council
is
necessarily
too
much
more,
that
we
can
do
other
than
receive
applications
and
process
them
in
an
orderly
fashion,
which
is
clearly
what
we're
trying
to
do.
A
On,
like
that's
critically
important
that
we
we
track
it,
so
we've
got
a
narrative
and
a
story
and
a-
and
we
understand
now
that
number
of
five
and
a
half
thousand,
when
we
some
of
us
first
started
ten
years
ago,
was
two
and
a
half
thousand
yeah
and
there
was
incremental
increases
over
a
period
of
time
and
we've
got
to
a
point
where
we're
stabilizing
at
around
5000,
which
is
very,
very
big
numbers.
So,
council
of
also
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
do
you
want
to
amend
my
motion
and
build
another
camel.
C
No
but
I'll
talk
talk
about
another
motion.
It's
five
minutes
to
noon.
Just
on
councilwoman
jones's.
Earlier
comment
about
that
council
resolution.
C
It
was
on
the
24th
of
november
2020
that
we
carried
a
committee
resolution
saying
social
housing
supply
on
the
gold
coast,
and
we
asked
the
mayor
to
write
to
the
premier
and
some
other
ministers
seeking
some
information,
but
including
a
part
e
which
which
reads
what
government-funded
initiatives
are
planned
to
reduce
housing,
stress
in
gold
coast
city,
including
investment
in
the
supply
of
crisis,
accommodation,
social
and
managed,
affordable
housing,
housing
for
young
people,
improved
housing,
affordability
and
access
to
the
private
market
and
an
update
on
the
status
of
the
redevelopment
of
qibra
park
and
any
other
funded,
planned
or
potential
housing
projects,
and
that
the
premier's
reply
be
the
subject
of
a
future
report.
C
If
we
don't
know
where
the
state
government
is
going
to
plonk
their
acceptable
development,
we
had
a
subsequent
resolution
demanding
a
response.
This
is
after
this
original
one
we
still
haven't
received.
It.
J
C
Well,
well,
the
thing
is,
mr
chairman,
it
says
here
any
reply
be
subject
to
a
future
report
to
committee.
So
if
there
have
been
updates,
it'd
be
good
to
know
what
those
updates
are,
but
what
I
might
do
is
forward
this
to
the
director
yeah
this
resolution,
and
perhaps
we
need
to
see
that
information.
Thank.