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Discussion around Mimi Incubation.

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B

Hello and welcome to the Deeds now there's no call for uh November 14th 2022..

B

um We have two topics on agenda today, uh one that is sort of ongoing, but um maybe some ideas around uh nimi and the incubation and how to move that forward. So that's one um and the second one is um I. Think I wrote in the chat- and we talked about this uh last week in the community called about um sort of like a culture of feedback and how we can build this um and yeah. One is just like. Maybe brainstorm, I have a few ideas and yeah.

B

um So I don't know what you want to start with um anything. Anyone has any thoughts.

C

Mimi I guess we can start with Amy um yeah uh I guess what's happened is yeah from the well there's a few different opinions of nimi and the incubation um and I guess there was yeah because the original.

C

um Kickoff of it was not, you know, written line by line how it should work um and it's the first foray into that type of structure where the product is like being built kind of right on the edge of DX Dao, um just outside of the Eighth House. Who can do it so make its own decisions move quickly?

C

You know be less focused on decentralization that can, you know, make sacrifices to um maybe move faster, and it's also I guess what you would consider a Social Web free um adap, which ties in probably ties in with web 3 profiles and and eventually dialed and defy as well. But it's it's more of a it's a new vertical for DX style, I, guess, um and so the idea was to get it moving because it was, it seemed to be stuck. It wasn't moving as fast as it probably should have been.

C

Allow the con, the the team, that's working on nemi to move faster, get them some funds that they can spend and then I guess the Assumption was. You know. People in DXL could also help it Move Along um whenever possible. If there were certain tasks um or expertise that that people could help with and uh I guess, there was yeah, it was more like assumptions, rather than written exact rules of what people could do at the same time.

C

All of you know restructuring and other things were also happening, Retreat whatever, and that people's yeah and and market conditions and things, and so people's concerns and ideas of what they can and can't do and how they can help a side project of DX Dao.

C

um We're all became more tricky to answer than uh then then I guess was being assumed during the the launch of the of the program, um and so now there's some slightly different interpretations of how it's been going, and so at this point seeing what you know how we can make it better.

C

If that needs to be like clearly written rules of people, X number of hours, uh X number of percentage of their time, they can spend to helping a project like nimi, which is uh you know, being a like a yeah being built alongside outside of DX Dao and how that would, um if that helps nimi.

C

That could also help the extao uh and exactly again have a little more flexibility and freedom for people to uh to help where, where they, where they can and if, if and make it I guess it's very clear if it's, if people aren't able to help or for feel the reason that they're not able to communicate that you know very clearly to the team and to DX down and so that that no one's expecting something that other people aren't able to fulfill. But it's because it's not super clear right now.

C

I guess one way to move forward be to just make some of those things more clear. I I, don't know if in terms of hours per week or percentages per week, if that's helpful or not but uh yeah. If anyone else wants to add something, not only we're going to say something, yeah.

B

I think, like probably like, and don't try and ground this- maybe try to figure out. What's the structure of the agreement, um I guess more or less I'm, just like spitballing here right, but it's 100K that you know you guys are 150 and you guys are going to get from Geeks. Now um dick style is going to get in return, uh 10 of nemi tokens or something of that sort.

B

um I think um we need to have like a table of what Deeks now gets from nimi and what nimi gives to thieves now um and I. Think I'm, I'm, sorry spitballing here right, but nimi members will be on the big style payroll for the next three months on whatever 56 in capacity.

B

Whatever is decided, um nimi will be able to get up to I, don't know 10 hours a week from textile contributors um and yeah, like other things that we can think of, and we need to just you know: I guess propose this and then obviously um one of the things that needs to be in this proposal is that for Mimi to get the ums from DXL I think this is sort of something that's hanging over the edge of the new contributors and I.

B

Don't think it should be this way, but um yeah I would love to hear the thoughts of some other people here um and yeah I. Don't know what do you think Dave's at it's just something like that makes sense.

D

Yeah I mean I, guess like um the the pulse on the Forum that was shared was more about like getting some sentiment of what parts of the deal were not liked among the community, Etc and I I guess. The idea of the deal was like, maybe more having like a common ground to like renegotiate. The deals like you said like have some clear stuff and um yeah I, don't know how to move forward in that direction like.

E

The it doesn't matter like what we do it's it's the time is ticking right and for for for Mimi time is valuable, because that's we we have six months right.

E

I already said this: we we probably did this at the worst time uh with dicks. However, because Dixon had a lot of turbulent times- and we couldn't have known this like this I'm, not blaming the Excel just was just very, very bad timing um and if, if we're gonna keep discussing this endlessly I think yeah I think we'll come up come to a conclusion, but the six months have been gone right and meanwhile, everyone that was interested in helping nimi has pulled out and said: hey guys, I, don't want drama.

E

I want to keep my job at the style. I don't want. I, don't want to put put me in my proposal and have have drama in my in my they just wanna work. Without discussions right, it's not fun getting attention to your proposal, um so it is uh I, don't know it is healthy to discuss stuff.

E

Is it healthy to do it while something is on a Time time basis, thing and I? Don't know yeah.

B

So my point is that we should codify and sort of um make sure that in the nimi Grant proposal, there's like I think that's kind of like a major issue right. If people from the Excel can help me- and they don't want to get in trouble for that or whatever so you know, I mean this.

E

Is a problem also you like on paper? No one gets some trouble right, but but you're part of it, and you show interest that you you want to do something else, then that could send a bad signal right, so I think it's not. It is also the the sentiment around it right. If there is discussions, if there is some drama whatever it is, then people don't want to be part of it right, yeah. So.

B

I think it thinks.

E

In between right, so it's yeah.

B

B

Proposal you actually like you allocated there will be like nimi is able to use up to 10 15 hours of the external member time.

B

I know like does anyone else? When do you want to speak.

F

Yeah, if I could offer like a slightly different perspective right, um usually when people get into a contract they get into the contract, because they believe that combining the inputs can create Synergy to ex you know exponentially increase their EX at their outputs correct. In this case, he breaks down, and nimi basically did that Dynamic Clan crew is basically part of DX dial, so they form. So, even though we talk about them as if they're too, let's say two separate entities or two separate teams, whatever you want to call it.

F

Ultimately, they are one I think that we can all agree that the success of nimi will benefit both nimi and dxda.

F

So but nimi is basically in the minds of the nimi team, so the vision of what it should be and how it should be is in the minds of the nimi team. So I would think that the nimi team has to lead that Vision Drive driven perspective and request what they need when they need and then how they need. It will eliminate this whole story of us trying to determine what we're willing to give before.

F

We even know what we should give I think I'm, not 100 certain that there is a lot of like pressure and fear amongst contributors about being able to contribute, and will they be able to get drama and so on and so on, because the whole drama around DX Dao is not about who's backing who and who's in whose Camp the whole drama in dxdara right now comes from a place where we are not producing uh enough income to make the ex dial sustainable.

F

If nimi becomes a multi-million dollar product, it will naturally give benefits to both nimi and Diego's Dao, which will solve all of those problems. So I think that my suggestion would be that the nimi team simply just make a list of the things they want from us and we can simply just say whether or not we can do it or not. But the fact that the nimi team is part of the DX dial team gives them a say in whether or not we can do it as well.

F

You know, I, don't think that we should I I can't really understand why we are discussing this in such a way that it's, like kind of like two separate entities, trying to figure out who's willing to give and who's, not willing to give um I think we should just take the drama out of it. Decide what it is. The nimi team must tell us what they want and, let's just get it done.

F

E

I don't know when like if you have been missing the couple of months we had, but it is 100 feeling people have if they're gonna choose to help another Squad. Meanwhile, actually trying to cut and costs. It is 100 percent relevant to this topic. I'm not saying mirenki would fire someone because they choose to do something else, but at the same time we were cutting costs. We fire it I, don't know if we can call it but six people from from swapper already.

E

So it is kinda like bad to show that you want to do something else from any squad and also just look at what's happening in the Forum. If someone chooses to say, hey, I'm gonna help help nimi. Then all the contract details would come up and say: hey, but Mimi said this or this they said this people don't want to do like they don't want that attention to their to their their proposal.

E

I'm not saying it's not possible for anyone to help me I'm, just saying whoever is gonna be that first person will get too much attention and and I'm I'm talking to these people privately, and they tell me I'm gonna pull out because I don't want drama. So if you think that this is not happening, I can give you a couple of people. You can talk to them and see how they feel.

F

Okay, now I understand that I'm talking from the perspective of let's say, we take.

E

There is, there is the people the people want to help us help wants to help us, because we need that help and if they don't want to help us anymore, because there's a sentiment of of drama and things going on, then then we can't force them to say hey, you know what just ignore that and just move on. They can't do that.

E

They're bullish digs down, they want to keep be bullish league, so they don't want drama to be pointed at them right, and this is what can happen if someone chose to to go on all the way, then the person will be like the face of oh, the person shows to help naming and and how much is yeah.

E

They don't want to be that.

G

But um don't we need some sort of agreement or some sort of framework in you know we talked about how much time you can allocate to nimi.

G

um Kind of what the scope of work can do, all this sort of stuff I mean it was all very vague. You know, um I mean there's, there's a proposal. You can help me or not, and you request stuff, but if, if people that want to con contribute, don't know in what way can contribute without getting into trouble with their spots, um you know so.

E

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B

E

Do have okay, yeah, no.

B

E

So I think that there's a problem of of us thinking uh or like what, if the system is getting misused, that's like the the most uh I can get from all of this right, like how much can so like. Do we rather have like I'd rather have that happen, and then we can say: hey like the system is getting actual misuse. Let's put some limits right now, there's no one else, then the founders were coming right, so it is not getting misused. We're like talking about like oh, what is the limits?

E

How much can work, how much will from whose budget you know what it doesn't matter? If no one is doing it because there's a time limit and then when, when we're done with these six months, then leaks now needs to say hey. We did this this or that, and if this is how we want the. uh If, if this is how we want the incubation to look like, then that's it and then maybe nimi had another vision and that's it like.

E

That's that's how we can like move on right, but if we don't know the limits- and we just want to keep discussing stuff till the end of times and I- think it's just unproductive right. That's why we went on with the incubation model, because we thought hey if we're part of geek style, that less from what would happen and yeah I mean at least for us workers. It was a little bit less, but for for for the rest, I guess yeah.

E

Maybe it is too much talking about whose budget and who, how much time this is how much money it costs. This is how much we pay. This is what your valuation is like all of this details, which is, in my mind, crazy talk talking about yeah yeah. This is just from my perspective, but but yeah yeah. We should have limits. We should have things clear, stated out and I I guess that's how a better better proposal would look like, but we don't so we should just suffer until the end of times. I.

B

Don't know, no that I would say like there's a way to move forward. It's just to come up with a proposal um in that proposal. You have allocated time uh from the Excel. um You know I'm happy to sort of like collaborate on this and you know work. You get feedback and just you know, you know we can post it in the in the current thread and then just go and put it on chain. This proposal will include how much time you're getting from the external members. It will include. uh You know the full compensation.

B

It will include the transferring of the um Mimi uh ens uh name and you can even add like conditions right. You can say I don't know. Maybe if something happens, then what.

E

Happens with the four or five months at all of the past. Okay, we just ignore that, ah but this is hard right, because the expectation reality looked different right. So I'm just saying like we are in a time-based thing, where time went and- and here we are and and if we're gonna make this fair, then I would say: let's take a look at not just like the two months left I want to calculate numbers and see how things going yeah. Maybe maybe we should do that on the past time too, right.

B

Yeah, it's fine so do that.

E

To be honest, I yeah I am I'm, so tired of discussions, and so tired of drama and I don't know who wants to drive I, don't want to drive any any of this actually really types. If this is how how we do it, this is how we do it.

E

That's the reality.

F

No I understand the frustration and that's why I was saying what I did that if time is of the essence, you have the vision instead of discussing it. Just write. Give us give a list that you can make public the same way that you make these discussion. You know these questions on the Forum, it does make them public and then we can work on getting that list completed.

E

When it's not the problem of finding who's gonna help us it's the sentiment about getting helped and how much you can get helped and all of that stuff right.

E

So it is I know we have the skills indexed out to to able to help me I know this because I'm I'm part of the Excel right, someone totally new to to Dick's out, maybe doesn't know right. I asked some people to help and some people asked if they could help so.

D

If you only talk about.

E

These people, he.

D

Was he didn't mean actually get the resources I think he means to.

E

D

The Dao like what.

E

You need, but that already approved this. It's just the people inside the doubt that discussing this, this is a difference right, because the Dao approved of this incubation now what's happening is when someone puts instead of instead of voting on something we're discussing it right. So so, let's say, let's um just take this as an example. Van Graham wanted to put 20 on his proposal and.

G

Now he's pulling.

E

Back because he doesn't want all the negativity coming from it so before it.

A

Yeah, there's no possibility for any disagreement on how that's absolutely.

E

Chris, you are part of this. You should know this because I told you I think the day before or like two days before, I told you, people don't want to put it in the proposals because they don't want to get.

A

Drunk there's a disagreement, listen Chris.

E

Chris Chris: this is your problem, because you go to his proposal and ask about agreement about nimi. He should and even be part of that discussion. Let him put 20 and then discuss with us, discuss with Mimi discussion.

A

We're all happy to discuss this. We've all discussed this. There are some people who feel one way. Some people feel the other I think what Wayne is saying here is like let's chart A New Path forward, and let's do that and get it over with I'm happy to come up with terms and wording on this. If you guys can't but I think like that's, what we kind of need here is just something to move forward here. So.

E

You're, just gonna ignore everything. I just said right.

E

Without me, I'm dead, anyone from Big Star wants to put any percentages to work on on nimi they're gonna get some uh some response back. That is gonna, be negative right. So no one's gonna do that. That.

A

When people, when I put 15 on swapper for this one I got several comments on that. I got three people that commented on that, but.

E

Your comments are it's not about that proposal specific! It's about the agreement. We had with nimi right, geek style and nimi. That's the difference, so we.

A

Talk about yeah, but there is disagreement on interpretation of that proposal. I think that is where we have to start from so I'll.

E

Just go back to what I said, instead of getting help from Van Grimm, now we're not gonna get help. So that's the result, I'm just saying whatever, wherever correct way, you think this is going. It's actually going against getting help from me. Yeah.

A

We're just saying that's the result, we're just looking for clarity. We just want.

E

To get I'm just saying, that's the result, Chris, whatever you say the result is we're getting less help. That's it and that's all I'm saying whatever correct way. This is you you think it is, should be going we're getting less help. That's how we should see it and.

F

A

We should solve it.

E

C

E

I'm just saying we're getting less help.

C

In that example, to get to get it to the point where a person is okay, putting 20 in their proposal that they want to contribute to nimi you're saying we need to do a secondary follow-up um signal proposal based off the first one that clarifies that up to x amount of people can spend 20 percent of their time on nimi. And if that signal proposal passes, then people would be okay with it or that still not solve the problem.

E

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E

People are pulling out from wanting to help me. That's that's a pretty clear signal.

C

And what what could we do to make it so that that they be people would be more okay with putting in their proposal that they want to help nimi for a percentage of their time like we need to pass another signal proposal right.

E

I, don't know man something.

C

Someone who yeah I mean if the Dow does a proposal that says X number of people have to spend 20 of their time helping Amy. Then it wouldn't be a problem for people to put in their proposal right.

C

So it could be optional or it could be even we could yeah. The Dow could force that, but that seems extreme. It's forcing it so making it optional, but making it just more clear and yet things have obviously changed and that doesn't necessarily solve the missing four months of what some people expected and other people expected different ways. But maybe we can yeah allow it to yeah. Allow people to continue to help nimi like it. Doesn't people don't want to stop helping Mimi when the six months is up right.

B

Yeah, we can also say you know in order to sort of like compensate for the previous four months in the next three months. It's going to be I, don't know like 30 hours or whatever, and then after three months it drops down 15 hours and um yeah I, don't know after that, then you know we'll have to see maybe it's 10 hours. The DX now gives to nimi and and I think it's it's okay.

B

To sort of like put that big style is also obligated to give a certain amount of hours to name me because yeah I mean we're getting what 10 uh of their tokens for it. So I think it makes sense.

C

To Wayne's point, though, like um well I, guess it's now known that one of the main things is like community and Discord and expertise there, and so we already know there's a lot that many people in DX style that have that expertise and so like it's not even like Ken DX Dao um identify that it can help that if that thing is known, it actually is like specific people can specific peoples with specific skills help fill those needs of nimi, and if not, if those people can't or don't have time, then making sure nimi knows that that need can't be solved by dxto is also important to not waste time and then allow me to to seek that from outside resources.

C

So the the list or not I mean doesn't have to be an exact list, but identifying some of the main things that can be helped with um and sharing those to is kind of what I think Wayne was describing. Then we can, then we could identify if the Exile can even help with fill those needs.

F

We're not having a community call this week because it's only bi-weekly now, if you have a list ready, we could discuss, we could ever have a call on Thursday. We could go over that list and we could finalize that list and by Friday you could have everything that you need, or at least a path forward.

F

If that's really what it is that you're looking for.

F

Because that's how it would have to be done, it would have to be done in such a way that you know, because you are the one that has the needs. I mean the thing is I, don't know what your needs are. I think there's quite a few of us that don't exactly know what your needs are. So if you were to express them like that, we could have a call on Thursday, since we don't have that call and we can finalize it and then you can get everything that you need.

F

I think I can't think that the ex Dao and nimi cannot are not working towards the same thing. It doesn't make sense in my brain that we're not working towards the same thing.

E

It's just it's that simple I mean I I, just wanna I, don't know if we could clarify whatever question marks. People have about the about. The incubation have limits, so people stop getting worried about the system getting used or too much money spent on me or whatever it is have that set so so yeah.

F

But is that your problem, though the the problem is that you need clarification about how the community feels about the incubation or is the problem that you need people to do the work you need done.

E

If you look at the people that try to help at least there is a at least discussion going on I'm, not saying they shouldn't be, but we are pretty like the people are encouraged, even like we can say they didn't want to do it in the start, because there was too much reconstructuring and all of that stuff I said: hey man like we have an incubation deal, just do it and then, when they did it and obviously there there's people waking up from the grave and talking about about how this this shouldn't be.

E

F

Yeah I do understand that fear, because I also am part of that that group of people who is afraid to necessarily let's say, say what I want to say when the time comes, because who knows who's going to come and say what it is, but I think that we've already established now when we were in Bogota that we have to work together and stick together.

F

So if you have a need in nimi which ultimately benefits DX down, then ultimately, we as the X now have to come together and support you with that, need to get what you want and get what you need to make nimi problem profitable. So even though, yes, we might have not handled it correctly in the past. If you make a new list and we all come together as a community, let's say on Thursday, okay.

E

Why can't we just start with one person that is putting up in their proposal that they want to help us? Why can't we just start with passing that like? Why do we? Why do I need to have a list of all of the needs.

F

One person I'm just saying whatever this is what I'm saying.

E

If one person already tried- and it's it's like- hey I'm, not gonna, try anymore, because it's too much right, I don't want to get into this and I want to just clear it clear, the air. So we don't have that right. Yeah and the thing is I already said this, uh because I'm crazy wait.

B

I'm trying to think like how do you.

E

See this moving forward so Helen, the crazy part, is I already talked about this. That's why I'm I'm like tired. It feels like everything, I'm saying it. Just air right I said that some people find it uncomfortable having huge discussions in their threads and then the second the day after one that same person did this proposal and now there's a huge discussion in this thread so he's pulling out and that's why I told Chris specifically because he I told Chris like hey Chris, this help people feel and then he goes and makes the same.

E

People feel the same way, and and for me it's it's just working like we're, pissing Against, the Wind again, it's just so boring I'm. So tired of disgusting. That's that's the reality. I just rather work through this time be done with this and move on this is this is how I feel I I get a little bit like depressed because it feels like some people. Don't listen right. They just want to be right. Oh this is the right way to do. I, don't give a that's the reality.

E

I get mad because I know some people just cares and and wants to help us out, and some people just want to be right. I, don't care like this is the reality. Some people wanted to help now they won't it doesn't matter if you're right wrong. This is how it looks like. So how can we? How can we change that that that's what I'm more interesting about, not how you are right.

E

So yeah I mean- and this is a little bit about how maybe how DXL works right. It is sad, but we you we we get stuck and we get stuck in the details and we try to make it perfect and then, if it's not perfect, no, no, you can't do you can't move. You can't like it's just so tiring man.

C

Yeah no, this is this is this is all related to nylon.

C

This is the second topic that we wanted to talk about is this is basically all communication, and you know Unchained proposal that might not have all the details and how people interpret it, which interpretation is also communication, and then some people have more information, and some people have way more discussions about this stuff and then there's other people that have a few less information come once in a while see something write, something um don't might not have all the facts might not have the history, so this is a yeah.

C

This is a problem that all bows are facing and and like which information everyone has how it's shared. Not everything is public um and so showing and- and it's all the first time, it's all the first time so we're trying to figure this out like if, if people knew how to do this, other people would be doing this.

C

But no one's really doing this, um so we're trying to all figure it out, but to Wayne's Point like if we're not communicating and agree with jet like if it's just like right and wrong and and like we messed up and we wasted time and before that time was wasted. Before even did any incubation Grant, we were months and months between the hackathon. The hackathon was many many months ago, like we're. Trying to move things forward.

C

Get leave me in a position that it can succeed, but then because DXL is you know supporting it and is wants it to succeed, and that would help the X down gets. He brings new people into DX Dao, even um through nimi, which is which is great.

C

um So we can come up with some of these harder rules that that more concretely Define what the original incubation Grant was supposed to do.

C

um But if, if lack of communication still prevents people from being comfortable supporting nimi, that's that's a cultural um communication issue within the community.

B

A

B

This point, like it's been four months since something was agreed upon it, and then it's still like from the Navy perspective, they're just wasting time like like. Why would they waste time? But with this time they could have like raised money from external people. They could have had all these things done by other people and it's I I understand it's like frustrating.

C

Yeah I don't know, but it's not just wait. It wasn't wasting time just because they were waiting for DX style people to do stuff right, like nimi, has progressed some.

C

Yes, if it was a hundred percent focused uh by the team and they had other money, I guess the whole thing could have moved faster for sure, but there was decisions made because there were also DX style commitments and things so, but that we can't take that back um that, like it didn't go off on its own initially, um but we can still try to position it to succeed.

E

I'm, trying like like I'm, trying to be fair for the Excel and say like hey I understand this happened. I sent it three months were like very volatile and all of that and like, but now is now, and it feels like just feels depressing getting three messages from three different people that said, I want to put Mimi in my proposals. All at the same time say: hey I, don't.

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E

And I'm just gonna focus on the squad I'm focusing on right. It is. It is for me, it's just like a clear signal, like geek style. First of all, in this position at least it's not ready to incubate any any project and that's real I'm, not saying about helping out here or there like. If, if this is how we incubate, then then we're not trying.

E

If incubation is something different, then maybe Dexter is ready right, but if anyone wants to put hours every week into another project that is not entirely owned by the Thousand, the Excel can't do it and that's maybe a situation change that we didn't expect txtau to go through right, uh but now is now, and the time is ticking and and I don't care who's right or wrong. Like it's two months left, that's it that's it, and if this now thinks we needed the money, that's why we should be happy and be quiet. That's wrong!

E

I'm 100, like like I, don't want to be cocky whatever we can survive without our pay. We could work on nimi with no money if we want right, but we chose to incubate with Dixon, because we first of all we care about things now we work at digital.

E

We also want the network of disks that we know there's some people, ethics that can't help us instead of going the VC route right. We know the incubation route might be more interesting right. Instead of having a VC and directly trying to yeah, give us money and try to make us change the way we are and yeah the time time is ticking I, don't know what like I'm tired of discuss discussing like even if we're done discussing in 10 20 days and yeah, it's one and a half months left yeah, that's that's it!

E

That's that's how we work and go Edwin.

F

So, just from what you said from what I understand is that you've said you said that there was like three or four people who dm'd you and said that they want to put uh working on nimi as as part of their proposals right, but now they have withdrawn because they are afraid of getting the negative like fee. You know the negative pushback correct is.

E

F

That's correct: that's correct, okay! So then that can be the thing that we can sort out right, I mean we can set the meeting now either for uh Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday within the next day or two I mean that's how we that's how we are supposed to handle things if we want to get things done within the time frame where we are all still alive.

F

So I think that we should set a meeting within the next couple of days and we discuss whether or not we are going to, because when I say we I also mean you guys have I mean so that we can say: okay, yes, DX dial will give four people 20, and then we will support that. So, but unfortunately, now Chris is not here. Melanie is not here. Ross is not here.

F

These are important people that need to be in part of that discussion, because I'm sure that these people probably work in some of these squads venky- and you are here so you know the guys that are in your squad so that we can sort this out because I mean also I'm also like I. Also feel the way that you do in the sense that you know business is you know, time is off the essence and we cannot discuss things forever and ever and ever so.

F

I think that we should decide to just make a decision to get a meeting on the books like for the next two or three days where we just determine whether or not we are willing to do these three. You know three or four people and get it over and done with you I understand. Is that good? Is that good with everybody? That's here, I.

E

Mean we can't force these people to be uncomfortable and choose to still help me after this I'm. Just saying like no.

F

But I mean if, if we now, you know you like, you said the problem was that people the problem is, is that when people put it in their proposal that they want to, they want to do it. Then people come on the Forum and give pushback about that. So whoever's coming on the Forum, or potentially at least the people that we can prevent, we they come into the meeting and they come and express their.

F

You know they come and we talk and we discuss and we express- and we basically negotiate till the point where we have some kind of agreement that okay, yes, this is what nimi will get, and this is what the XDA is happy to give and then, in the end, everybody is happy so that when those guys go and put their proposals up, there's no more trouble right. That's, ultimately what we want to do, because we also don't want our workers to be pissed off the whole time. I know I, don't.

F

I mean that's the way we got to sort this out. We have to sort it out like that. We can't also not. We can't also just keep talking about sorting it out forever as well, because that's also not you that's also useless.

B

Yeah I agree: do you want to use the community call like I? Guess the community I.

F

Mean the community call time is perfect time, because it's a time that we would always be together, but this week we're not having that call time.

B

It sounds like a good timing.

F

Do you think it's a good idea, everybody.

E

E

I hope, hopefully I come to conclusions.

F

And because I mean, we know that um you know we know, Kenny is one of the guys. Kenny was the one that put up his proposal right and that what you said basically is that Chris came and said something. So let we make sure that Chris and everybody's there and everybody can express their opinion. You know they're, like What's in the reservations and we sort it out. We just gotta sort it out, I mean so anyway, it gets done and we've got to sort it out.

F

So we've got to make decisions about how to move forward because otherwise, again, like you say time, is sticking I.

B

I think like this is this entire event? Is such a such a big thing? You know like in general and I guess like big stars like this, is the problem with the centralized decision making it takes such a long time sometimes, and you agree on something, but it's not respected and some people don't agree with it and it's yeah. This is the problem with like the centralized governance.

F

Unfortunately, yeah I see I understand you know.

E

Yeah we could try, I mean there's multiple problems on the table. We could go through I.

B

Understand do you want to bring up the topics? Is that just like.

E

Yeah one one thing would be like the time that already passed, and obviously we couldn't have predicted that this would happen now. I would like pass. The incubation said: hey until the Excel figured out the prama on the table and people comfortable enough to be able to help her put time on this posting.

E

The incubation would have been a smart move from from Mimi's side at the beginning, because I'm what we are giving percentage of right so we're giving 10 predicts those Prime and if the Excel doesn't have time- and we need to say hey- maybe another time right and that's how I see it one one issue is we we wasted time and because.

B

Let's, let's just bring all these things up and I, ideally put it in a foreign post before and we could just like begin discussing it maybe before, and you know the the call like we need to come up with a conclusion. That's the goal of the call.

E

Yeah so yeah past time, and the future would be like good good discussion about this.

B

Yeah I guess we're a bit over time, we're like almost every time.

C

We can put this in a dock and we can share it and we can. Everyone can add to it um like laying all these things out in the Forum I actually think before. It's talked about and discussed before. This call that we're gonna do like it. It doesn't help anything when it's just out there in the forum for people to just write whatever they want.

C

It's it's more of a like discussion and sort of using the document to discuss and have all the things that we need on there and have a list of things even needs help with who who can help fill those things um yeah. What how to deal with the past problems, uh how to position even to see going forward, but having that better defined and clear is better than just posting individual.

C

Like specific things on the on the on the Forum I'll share a doc that you can add. Yeah add any of these points to.

B

Don't worry that we will fix it.

E

I'm, just to be honest, this is 100 connected, not just to the incubation just connected to all the months of discussions and like the drama we had and all this. So if this was like the only thing we had I'm like oh, this is chill but like from my perspective. I have 100 put like ends and tens of hours each month on drama, just trying to solve people's problem. John and squats budget, like behind the scene and yeah I'm, just tired man, I'm tired.

E

It just feels some people are not tired and just wanna I just want to move on man.

B

It's nice like, like completely understand you, man.

E

So I don't know who said it. It might be me edit or someone else, but someone said working for a dial is being a politician and a worker. At the same time, like you can't just work, there's no just work. You need to be involved politically and and discuss and talk, and especially, if you're in leadership leadership position. Then then.

B

Yeah pretty much.

F

Yeah I just want to help help, get you what you need man, it's.

E

Not me man forget me I, like any any.

F

Any projects you know me or just.

E

Well, I mean this is how we incubate like we should. We should be like saying to any project like hey: we can help with this or that I.

F

Understand that's.

E

F

Why we help this? That's why now we have to figure out how the process works right so that we can or how we fix the mistakes we've made. So that's! That's all we.

B

Just got to fix man.

F

Really all right I'm going to stop the recording I'll, see you guys later in the week.