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hello.
Everyone
welcome
to
monday
june
7th
2021
dx
biz
gathering
at
1500
utc
time
we're
coming
out
of
bitcoin
crypto
miami
conference,
so
people
are
some
people
are
a
little
tired,
but
it
was
overall,
a
pretty
good,
a
pretty
wild
turnout
to
a
city
and
lots
of
interesting
people
here.
So
I
posted
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting.
A
I
think
there's
a
bunch
of
different
topics
today
that
it's
kind
of
an
expansion
there's
like
a
few,
a
handful
of
different
things
happening
that
are
like
in
general,
important
for
us
to,
I
think,
talk
about
that
are
not
specifically
like
business
development
opportunities
or
whatever,
but
bigger
strategy,
maybe
and
like
I,
I'm
thinking
about
identity
but
then
also
related
to
like
swapper
and
stuff
too.
So
I
put
those
on
the
agenda.
A
I
don't
do.
We
have.
We
could
we'll
start
with
intros
if
there's
anyone
new,
but
I'm
not
sh,
I
don't
think,
is
there.
B
C
Yeah
sure
hi
everyone
I'm
ross,
I'm
in
scotland
in
the
uk,
I've
been
working
for
jp
morgan
for
about
three
and
a
half
years
now,
as
a
full
stack
web
developer,
yeah,
mostly
working
with
react
and
node
and
stuff
with
a
more
sort
of
micro
service
cloud
architecture.
C
My
normal
work,
but
I've
I've
been
interested
in
crypto
for
a
few
years
now,
and
just
this
year
started
looking
more
into
development
stuff,
I
was
contributing
and
are
well
taking
part
in
the
xerox
hack
hackathon
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
melanie
reached
out
to
me
about
dx
style.
I
introduced
myself
here
a
couple
weeks
ago
on
the
key
base
and
martin
reached
out
to
me
about
working
on
mesa.
C
So
I've
just
been
sort
of
slowly
getting
my
head
around
how
the
heels.
D
C
That
was
worked
and
contributing
a
wee
bit,
so
I'm
just
starting
my
trial
period
now.
So
it's
it's
nice
to
be
here.
A
Yeah,
so
I
some
of
us
well,
some
of
us
come
from
the
traditional
finance
world
historical
finance
world,
but
yeah
I
used
to
work
at
jpmorgan
as
well.
Okay,
a
long
time
ago,.
E
C
E
Yeah
ross
has
been
joining
our
musicals
for
the
past
two
weeks
now
and,
and
we're
really
grateful
that
we
have
him
cool.
A
Well
welcome
so
first,
I
added
a
section
to
the
agenda
like
around
different
important
discussions
that
might
fit
into
other
parts
of
dxdial
or
other
calls,
but
some
are
kind
of
immediate,
so
it
would
be
good
to
discuss
them
here
and
and
the
first
one
is
around
swapper.
A
We
just
had
a
swap
recall,
and
we
were
talking
about
swapper,
like
farming
deployment,
arbitrary
strategy
and
and
swapper
token,
a
little
bit,
and
just
we
wanted
to
get
everyone
on
the
same
page,
especially
like
to
tie
in
with
marketing
and
comms
team,
because
we
have
a
quite
a
few
moving
parts
and
we're
also
having
some
problems
with
alchemy
right
now,
where
it's
like
some
it's
hard
to
get
a
proposal
to
show
up
so
we're
where
that's
being
worked
on,
but
we're
just
wanted
to
talk
about
strategy
at
the
same
time,
there's
a
handful
of
other.
A
A
Hopefully
once
it
works,
we
should
do
more
proposals
around
our
arbor
term
strategy,
like
maybe
a
signal
proposal,
a
commitment
to
funding
a
certain
amount
of
money
onto
arbit,
from
like
talking
about
the
expansion
of
of
dx
dao's
products
to
arbitrarily,
including
and
leading
with,
like
our
governance
right,
we're
gonna
have
dx
vote
there
and
that's
gonna
govern
the
products
cause
like
comparing
to
like
say,
unit
swap
or
another
platform.
That's
like
launched
on
arbitrary,
like
how.
A
How
is
how
are
those
projects
going
to
govern
their
protocols
on
on
something
like
arbitrarum,
like
I
don't
know,
even
know
if
it's
known
so
dx
dow
can
really
lead
with
this?
I
don't
know
if
zett
or
john,
if
you
want
to
give
like
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
what
we
talked
about
and
how
we
think
we
should
proceed
at
least
from
a
communications
perspective
or
what
the
ideal
thing
is
to
do,
and
then
we
can
make
a
little
bit
of
a
plan
as
a
follow-up
to
like
to
to
do
that
strategy.
A
Just
so
we're
not
just
getting
like
like
left
behind
or
ignored
from.
Like
a
publicity
point
of
view,
you
know.
F
Yeah,
and
so
deploying
on
arbitration
is
something
that
the
swapper
squad
has
been
preparing
for,
along
with
the
governance
deployment
of
a
new
base
onto
arbitrome,
but
yeah.
I
think
in
general
it's
the
governance
process
and
consensus
right
that
it's
like
setting
the
direction
and
so
yeah.
I
think
it's
it's
time
for
some
kind
of
a
proposal,
kind
of
indicating
the
extents
intent
in
strategy
for
for
arbitrary
because
it
should
go
live
probably
in
the
next
month
or
so.
A
Okay,
so
a
signal
proposal
which
like
has
an
outline
plan
with
like
some
kind
of
commitment
or
target
of
funding
of
capital
moving
capital
to
that
base.
You
know,
dx
and-
and
mentioning
specifically
dx
vote
is,
you
know,
could
be
included
in
that.
But
you
know
dx
vote
is
still
kind
of
untested.
I
guess
right,
so
we
it's
a
new,
it's
an
introduction
of
a
new
governance
mechanism
in
tandem
with
like
launching
products,
but
then
once
those
proposals
are
live
like
do,
we
want
to
talk
about
those
proposals
before
they
pass.
F
Yeah
exactly,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
external,
like
media
and
comms,
to
try
to
reflect
what
is
happening
in
governance.
You
know,
and
so
like
the
first,
when
the
proposal
is
made,
I
think
is
interesting
right
to
talk
about.
Even
if
it's
not
necessarily
like
you,
don't
know
it's
gonna
pass
or
not
right.
A
G
Only
mean
no
because,
because
I
think
what
is
actually
true
is
two
geeks
out
contributors
or
a
couple
of
the
exact
contributors
are
deploying
things
to
arbor
trump,
but
dx
dow
itself
isn't
doing
anything
on
arbitrage
until
there's
some
type
of
proposal
or
consensus
signal
from
from
the
excel.
So
I
think
that's
what
we
kind
of
need
there
and
that
would
kind
of
include
it.
I
guess
in
terms
of
timeline,
it
would
probably
be
good.
G
That
would
probably
be
fine
because
we
have
authorized
that
for
singling
there,
and
that
would
be
five
days,
and
so
we
could
probably
do
like
a
tweet
of
something
about
the
in
intentions,
maybe
like
thursday
or
friday
this
week,
once
the
proposal
goes
live
and
that
will
be
discussed,
maybe
within
the
discord
and
like
kind
of
the
forum
and
maybe
like
the
hardcore
community,
and
then
we
can
maybe
use
that
to
prepare
a
medium
post.
That
we're
doing
like
next
monday
or
tuesday
once
the
proposal
actually
goes
live
or
is
it
past.
A
Cool
so
keenan
and
and
marketing
comms
team.
We
should
just
make
sure
everyone's
connected
with
the
with
like
this
swapper,
the
team
has
been
focused
on
swapper
to
make
sure
we
have
the
timing,
everything
laid
out.
G
D
G
Indication
on
that,
even
though
that
wouldn't
be
something
we're
probably
acting
immediately
and
then
second
would
be
swapper
token.
Do
we
want
to
like
use
this
signal
proposal
as
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
tease
that
and
of
course,
swapper
token
has
not
been
approved
by
government
or
by
consensus
either,
but
that
would
those
be
kind
of
maybe
two
things
we
could
include
or
not
include
along.
H
H
To
the
question,
if
we
should
deploy
oman
to
avatar,
I
think
we
should
primarily
for
the
the
bus,
like
I
I'm
skeptical,
like
I'm
skeptical,
that
once
we
deploy
everyone,
we'll
just
use
oman
on
avatar,
but
I
mean
it's
mainly
deploying
contracts
and
connecting
it
to
the
arbitron
base.
So
I
think
it's
a
low-hanging
fruit
we
we
should
pursue-
and
I
think
hacksaw
is-
is
fine.
H
Like
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
point,
I
think
the
tight
integration
will
mainly
be
used
for
the
main
base
and
the
main
base
of
omen
is
still
x-die
and
until
we
are
not
like
transitioning
away,
the
base,
arbitron
will
be
a
playground
which
means
no
no
tight
integration
to
our
drum.
A
Oh
yeah,
and
and
as
part
of
the
marketing
strategy,
if
as
dx
vote,
which
is
deployed
on
arbitrom,
I
believe,
as
it
becomes
a
thing
and
it's
usable,
leading
with
like
the
governance,
the
ability
of
dx
dow
to
map
governance,
the
governance
base
across
multiple
chains
is,
and
would
then
be
on.
Our
return
would
be.
The
third
chain
is
a
is
something
that
dx
dao
can
talk
about
and
and
lead
with
that
other
projects,
probably
can't,
and
so
that's
a
would
be
good
great-
to
focus
on
that
as
well
cool,
so
the
next.
A
The
next
topic
is
related
to
it's,
something
that
the
style
has
been
talking
about
in
general.
I
the
more
I
think
about
it.
The
more
I
become
a
little
unsure
of
what
dx
dow's
mission
actually
is,
and
there
is
a
post
from
christopher
h
in
the
forum
that
he
posted
last
week
that
we
have
talked
just
slightly
about
which
is
like
his
post
was
really
like.
A
A
You
know
built
by
like
from
the
start
of
of
dx
dow's
core
team,
so
they
are
already
highly
connected
to
dxdow
and
dxd
token.
So
spinning
them
out
is
a
little
bit
different
than
a
new
project
coming
in
today.
That
has
its
team
and
it
gets
incubated
by
the
dow
and
things
like
that.
So
there's
a
little
there's
things
for
discussion
there.
A
Should
it
also
do
things
like
incubation,
and
so
there's
like
a
high
level
post
about
this
idea
of
expanding
dx
ventures
into
more
than
just
like
a
investment
arm,
but
also
a
bigger
incubation
and
an
umbrella
that
teams
and
projects
could
come
under
and
and
be
a
part
of,
and
really
building
that
out?
So
that's
like
in
contra
those
things
kind
of
are,
in
contrast
to
each
other.
One
is
a
portion
of
the
x
dow
is
an
incubator
and
vc
investing
arm
and
one
is
dx.
A
Dow
itself
is
be
kind
of
becomes
this
incubator
and
is
led
by
dxd
token,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
that
we
need
to
and
and
then
with
that
it
raises
the
question
of
what
is
dx
dao's
identity,
and
I
think
that
it's
not
fully
clear,
as
I
like,
for
example,
have
been
here
in
miami
telling
people
about
dx,
dao
and
they're
like
well.
What
is
dx
dao,
oh
you're,
a
dao
like
a
dow
first
dow
you've
been
on
doubt
for
a
long
time.
A
You
practice
decentralized
governance
but
like
which,
which
what
do
you
do
what's
your
mission
and
the
cur
like
what
we
say
so
far
is
kind
of
like
we
build
d5
products
right
but,
like
that's
pretty
general
still,
because
d5
is
now
quite
general
and
so
there's
more
sp.
You
get
more
specific,
like
badger,
dao
yeah,
they
build
d5
products
too,
but
their
goal
is
to
like
bring
btc
related
products
and
tools
and
and
capital
to
the
ethereum
space.
A
Right
and
yearn
is
very
simply
to
ch
like
to
seek
out
the
highest
like
risk,
adjusted
yields
for
its
users
and
then
index
co-op
is
to
like
bring
unique
new
indices
to
like
different
parts
of
the
ecosystem.
To
that
make
things
like
easier
for
people
to
invest
in
the
things
they
want,
or
something
like
that
right.
So
those
are
like
more
specific
identities,
and
I
was
wondering
if
people
had
any
ideas
around
dx,
tao
and
its
identity
and
how
that
fits
in
with
like
incubating
or
becoming
an
incubator.
I
I
Just
like
sharing
my
opinion
from
the
outside,
and
I
think
dxtower
actually
like
fits
very
well
with
the
incubation
angle,
just
because
we
are
already
kind
of
like
developing
so
many
products,
and
that
is
kind
of
like
why
I
for
me
it
was
kind
of
like
always
a
given.
You
know
that,
eventually
you
know
after
we
had
like
our
first
few
products
kind
of
like
developed.
I
We
would
basically,
you
know,
make
this
like
a
full-time
practice.
You
know
kind
of
like
really
spinning
out
new
products,
kind
of
like
finding
entrepreneurs
and
basically
becoming
an
incubator.
I
But
I
I
agree
with
you
like,
culturally,
we
probably
like
we
would
have
to
make
a
decision
here
soon.
A
I
I
always
thought
of
it
as
an
as
an
incubator,
always
yeah,
and
so
but
like
I
always
framed
it,
as
you
know,
like
an
incubator
in
its
very
early
stages,
you
know
that
is
like
still
figuring
out
how
it
can
best
help
projects
succeed
and
from
there
on
you
know
before
they
going
to
make
like
a
bigger
outreach
to
other
projects
or
like
basically
to
other
entrepreneurs
to
launch
their
projects
under
the
dxdo
umbrella.
I
Yeah,
this
is
a
hundred
percent,
exactly
the
the
reason
why
we
invested
so
we
definitely
see
that
there's
going
to
be
like
a
decentralized
incubation
powerhouse.
I
It
has
like
so
many
advantages
over
like
centralized
incubation,
and
from
that
perspective
we
always
kind
of
like
invested
with
that
in
mind,
and
I
also
think
you
can
only
like
make
sustainably
like
really
good
returns.
You
know
when
you
have
like
a
relatively
you
know
like
when
you
own,
like
10
percent
of
a
network,
I
mean
that's,
that's
still
a
lot
right,
10
percent
of
a
network
right
we're
talking
about
networks
here,
and
from
that
perspective,
I
think
you
can
still
make
a
lot
of
money
just
with
10
percent.
F
And
I
think
a
lot
of
the
points
that
christopher
you
made
in
in
your
post
are
just
generally
good
points
right,
like
about
like
finding
sharpening
the
perspective
on
the
market
that
the
products
are
trying
to
fit
and
having
independence.
F
In
that
way,
I
think
if
we
look
at
the
current
state,
like
these
products
are
like
homegrown
essentially
and
the
fees
they
generate
like
belong
to
dxd,
but
I
don't,
but
in
terms
of
like
to
what
extent
should
should
that
be
distributed
or
like
what
percentage
does
txt
have
to
retain
to
to
like
have
a
meaningful
stake
right,
like
I
don't
think
it's
a
given-
and
I
think
over
time
like
if
you
look
at
say,
omen
and
omen
token
or
only
product
token.
F
You
know,
maybe
the
initial
distribution
is
like
30
goes
out
to
growing
the
community.
D
F
That
doesn't
preclude
like
that
from
changing
over
time,
depending
on
what
seems
to
be
like
the
best
growth
strategy,
and
so
when
I
think
about
oh,
like
well.
What
about
this
incubation
approach
and
attracting
other,
especially
like
new,
like
teams
that
have
maybe
already
kind
of
formed
an
initial
founding
team
right
like
they're,
not
necessarily
gonna?
F
If
they're
already
independent
teams
they're
going
to
want
to
retain
some
kind
of
control
and
ownership,
and
I
think
it's
interesting
to
be
able
to
attract
that
kind
of
a
team
into
the
vx
style
ecosystem
and,
like
I
agree
with
your
perspective,
christopher
that,
like
that's
an
exciting
kind
of
decentralized,
the
decentralized
incubators
like
this
exciting
idea-
and
I
I'm
kind
of
just
like
wondering
why
couldn't
both
work
right,
like
you-
have
a
spectrum
essentially
where
you
know.
D
F
On
the
other
end,
you
have
like
completely
homegrown
products
like
swapper,
where
you
know
the
team
was
basically
formed
within
dx
tao
or
you
have
something
kind
of
in
between
where
there's
there's
independent
teams
that
take
some
investment
from
the
dow
and
rely
on
some
of
the
external
infrastructure,
like
the
marketing
communications,
like
human
resources,
etc,
like
the
ability
to
do
things
in
a
fully
decentralized
way
like
could
we
have
basically
a
spectrum
of
how
this
works
and
kind
of
like
support
people
at
different
points
along
that
spectrum?.
I
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean,
of
course
I
can't
say
right
that
it's
not
going
to
work.
I
would
just
like
say
that
any
really
good
project
would
likely
need
a
lot
of
kind
of
like
autonomy
and
independence,
especially
like
around
product
decision,
and
I'm
not
sure
like
if
dx
tao
or
like
rap
holders
would
be
able
to
grant
that,
because
you
know
in
the
end,
like
every
dxt
rap
holder
is
another
chef
in
the
kitchen.
H
I
would
disagree
I
like
this.
I
don't
I'm
not
like
we,
we
didn't
had
a
project
where
which
we
actually
incubated.
So
I'm.
H
I
I'm
not
sure
how
the
dxo
should
will
proceed
with
like
incubate
incubating,
but
I
think
yeah,
like
the
question
is:
should
we
already
like
prepare
how
we
deal
with
incubation
right
like
we
didn't
incubate
omen,
we
didn't
incubate
swapper,
it
was
built
in-house
and
I
think
it's
worthwhile
thinking
about
how
to
like
how
to
present
dxr
as
an
incubator,
because
we
didn't
do
it
yet
and
I
think
it
it
could
be
worthwhile
to
like
think
about
how
we
actually
communicate
that
we
want
to
be
an
incompetent,
and
then
I
think
the
big
signal
should
be
that
we
want
sovereign
teams
to
be
incubated,
and
I
think
the
dxr
would
be
fine
in
like
holding
10
of
the
tokens
maximum
in,
like
in
exchange
for
sovereign
teams,
doing
what
they
want.
I
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
like
I
see
it
like
similar
to
as
an
equivalent
to
company
builders
in
a
traditional
world
where,
basically,
you
know
they
have
money.
You
know
they
have
resources,
they
set
out,
they
research
like
a
certain
area
and
then
they
basically
look
for
entrepreneurs
in
residence
to
basically
build
out
these
these
individual
ideas,
then
they
take.
You
know
they
then
they
take,
like,
I
don't
know
like
10,
to
20
cut
of
the
equity
and
so
like
from
that
perspective,
like
instead
of
an
incubator
right.
I
Maybe
it
makes
more
sense
if
we
kind
of
like
call
ourselves
like
a
network
builder
or,
like
I
don't
know,
like
a
sort
of
a
company
builder.
Like
a
project
builder,
I
mean
that's
totally
doable
as
well,
but
my
ultimate
point
is
that
projects
will
need
a
lot
of
like
independence,
ultimately
to
succeed
and
yeah.
That's
that's.
I
guess
that's
my
biggest
point.
D
So
sorry,
I
just
had
a
question
or
comment
as
well.
Okay,
so
like
the
differentiating
factor
that,
like
both
geronimo-
and
I
think
john
kind
of
mentioned-
were
the
idea
of
you-
know
these
teams
kind
of
growing
organically
within
dxdow,
and
it's
always
been
kind
of
a
discussion.
I
think
we
mentioned
this
last
week
about
like
the
idea
of
like
fractalization
and
creating
guilds
and
then
essentially
having
the
technologists.
D
You
know,
along
with
the
other
community
members
kind
of
govern
the
guilds.
So
in
that
way
it
is
more
focused
clean,
like
effort
as
far
as
decision
makers
as
far
as
like
who's
really
making
decisions
regarding
the
products,
I
guess
that's
kind
of
in
a
way
I
feel
like
it
sounds
like
we're.
D
I
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
like
the
autonomy
starts
kind
of
like
with
the
token
distribution
right.
So
if
the
guild
itself,
you
know
it
doesn't
really
have
like
a
large
supply
of
tokens
that
they
can
basically
like
decide
over
what
they
want
to
do.
You
know,
then
I
would
question
kind
of
like
how
much
autonomy
they
actually
have
right.
So
if
I
would
basically
run
a
project
right
where
there's
like
another
organization
that
owns
70
of
my
supply,
I
would
basically
go
for
like
every
product
decision
to
that
organization.
I
H
Yeah
that
totally
makes
sense.
I
I
guess
to
the
fact
that
the
omen
team
decided
to
have
this
like
bigger,
not
really
like,
like
sending
70
percent
to
the
dicks,
though,
is
already
a
signal
that
the
omen
team
wants
to
be
very
close
to
the
jigsaw
and
yeah.
I
know
like
the
reason
why
we
actually
choose
to
to
do.
H
That
is
mainly
because
the
guilds
are
not
proven
yet,
and
we
wanted
to
like
kind
of
bootstrap
the
guild
with,
especially
like
the
the
omen
guilds
by
not
dropping
like
a
lot
of
tokens
to
the
guild
first
keeping
them.
The
dxo
is
like
a
security
measure
and
then
over
time.
H
The
guild,
as
far
as
I
see
it,
can
always
like
request
or
like
propose
to
like
get
tokens
from
the
d
style
if
needed
right,
but
like.
H
I
think
we
should
come
up
with
like
a
framework
for
incubating
projects,
with
a
clear
signal
that
there's
no,
like
d
still
will
hold
most
of
the
coins
like,
and
that
was
just
like
projects
built
in-house,
but
I
I
think
we
should
do
both
right,
like
signaling,
that
there's
like
a
very
network
building
up
where
you
can
do
like
very
strong
in-house
and
like
with
joint
venture
of
d
and
d.
H
So
I'm
not
even
sure
if
we
will
see
yeah,
I'm
very
skeptical
that
the
incubator
approach
will
will
go
this
like
greedy
path
of
like
70.
Never
ever.
This
was
just
like
a
omen.
Swapper
specific.
F
H
So
I
think
there
needs
to
be.
There
needs
to
be.
Definitely,
I
think.
The
reason
why
we
don't
have
this
like
incubator
framework
is
because
no
one
is
like
looking
into
it
and
takes
care
of
it
right,
and
I
think
that
is
something
we
should
probably
put
a
more
focus
on,
especially
like
christopher's
signaling,
that
deed
style
has
like
a
lot
of
potential
of
being
an
incubator.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
would
just
also
kind
of
like
highlight
that
then
actual
like
the
the
we
are
not
too
far
apart
right.
So
you're,
basically
saying
you
know,
geek
style
is
just
holding
off
on
to
the
70
of
the
token
you
know
until
like
the
guild
has
like
more
or
less
like
proven
itself
right,
and
we
already
have
that,
like
with
every
kind
of
project
right,
so
I
mean
granted
like
the
individual
projects.
I
I
think
it's
called
was
called
10x,
and
that
was
like
one
of
the
investors
that
was
like
basically
holding
on
to
like,
I
think,
like
50
of
token
supply,
or
something
like
that,
but
only
under
like
if
you
do
fiduciary
duty,
so
they
they
yeah
exactly
like
the
the
car
company
from
singapore,
and
they
had
like
this
one
investor
bushi,
which
basically
hold
on
to
her
help
on
to
like
50
of
the
tokens
as
a
fiduciary
duty,
and
they
couldn't
sell
that
right.
I
But
they
also
like
said:
okay,
like
the
team,
has
made
like
really
terrible
progress,
so
we're
not
going
to
release
the
remaining
total.
Consider-
and
I
see
this
like
similar
right.
So,
like
big
style,
you
know
we,
we
could
basically
say
okay
10
to
20,
or
I
don't
know
something
like
that.
We
have
to
decide,
we
will
keep
forever
and
the
remaining
we
just
hold.
You
know
like
in
a
separate
contract
under
like
if
you
do
sherry
duty
kind
of
like
you
know
before
we
release
them
to
the
team.
D
So
it
sounds
like
we're
actually,
all
on
the
same
page,
it's
just
a
matter
of
like
framing
the
the
how
we're
holding
the
tokens
and
where
they're
being
held
and
for
what
reason,
because
this
was
kind
of
initially
discussed,
is
how
the
toke
the
tokens,
even
the
ones
that
dxdow
was
holding,
was
supposed
to
be
over
time.
And
this
is
years
used
for
other
liquidity.
Rewards
programs,
other
community
building
programs,
other
partnerships.
D
But
it
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
just
do
something
as
far
as
like
a
vesting
contract
with
the
with
the
tokens
and
they
either
go
to
the
guild
or
to
dxd
holders.
We
can
discuss
that's
those
specifics,
but
that
might
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
we
can
kind
of
phrase
it
like
that.
H
Yeah,
I
would,
I
wouldn't
have
any
issue
with
setting
up
a
vesting
contract
to
the
guilds
like,
but
it
should
be
a
little
bit
longer
term,
like
maybe
cliff
after,
like
this,
the
best
thing
should
start
in
potentially
two
or
four
years,
something
around
that,
because
the
gig
will
have
a
lot
of
like
a
lot
of
omen.
Tokens
right.
A
F
D
D
What
other
dxd
holders
have
thought,
because
it
has
always
been
our
perception
that
they
would
be
feel
it
would
be
very
problematic
to
have
it
structured
any
other
way,
and
then
there's
also
the
question
of
do
we
actually
need
to,
even
if
we
set
up
the
vesting
contract
dependent
on
how
long
the
cliff
is
all
those
factors,
but
we
could
still,
regardless
do
some
sort
of
fee
allocation,
that
the
guild
votes
on
to
dxd
holders
as
well
or
even
partially
allocate
more
tokens
to
dxd
holders
through
a
vesting
period
as
well.
D
If
we're
going
to
invest
to
the
guild
as
well
just
different
options.
E
So,
if
chris
wants
to
present
an
idea,
it
would
be
ideal
to
do
it
more
thoroughly
start
with
painting
a
picture
of
what
it
is
right
now
and
show
the
steps
to
changing
it,
because
at
the
moment,
it's
quite
blurry.
You
know
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
dx
tau.
What,
where
are
we
headed
and
we're
just
faced
with
this
proposal
for
a
transition
to
a
different
model
and,
and
we
it's
difficult
to
even
figure
out
and
picture
how
how
this
is
going
to
happen?
E
F
What
if
the
70
was
like
jointly
held
by
dxd
and
and
like
the
rest
of
the
omen
token
holders
such
that,
like
basically
dx
style,
the
phd
holders
couldn't
spend
those
two
couldn't
dump
them
right
without
the
consent
of
like
the
older
token
holders,
and
vice
versa,.
I
Yeah,
I
mean
part
of
it
is
also
you
know
that
it
impacts
the
flexibility
of
the
of
the
guild
itself,
in
my
opinion,
in
kind
of
like
attracting
outside
contributors
right,
because
they
have
just
suddenly,
they
have
like
much
less
tokens.
They
can
actually
like
use
to
either
you
know
incentivize
usage,
but
also
to
kind
of
like
eventually
sell
to
outside
contributors
or
reward
them,
for
I
don't
know
like
work
that
they
do
for
the
for
women.
D
Yeah
we
can.
We
have
right,
so
the
allocation
that
we
currently
have
for
like
future
omen
and
squad,
is
basically
what
you're
saying
is
maybe
not
attractive
enough
in
the
long
term,
but
that
could
be
remediated
by
a
larger
guild
allocation
that
could
then
be
based
on
success,
voted
on
the
guild
to
distribute
to
future
team
members,
and
things
like
that.
I
Yeah
yeah,
something
like
that,
I
mean
the
thing
is
right.
I
don't
want
to
take
like
too
much
lead
here,
because
I
don't
want
to
push
dxd
into
like
a
certain
direction
right
where
which
the
members
don't
really
like
agree
with
as
a
whole.
So
I
can
you
know
I
can
like
share
my
perspective.
I
can
share
my
opinions.
I
can
provide
like
a
nudge
into
like
a
certain
direction,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be.
It
would
be
right
right
if
I
would
push
this
like
any
further.
I
F
Well,
I
sure
feel
like
the
most
interesting
thing
would
be
to
attract
an
outside
team
like
to
to
kind
of
demonstrate
this
right
under
a
new
model,
like,
I
think
like
having
a
good
example
of
like
how
this
could
work,
I
think,
would
be
the
best
way
to
you
know.
I
Yeah,
I
would
I
would
agree,
but
I
think
we
would
need
to
change
like
a
few
things
to
actually
be
able
to
really
help
them
right.
We
would
really
need
to
find
someone
who
is
in
charge.
I
I
So
we
would
kind
of
like
need
something
like
a
cto
right,
where
kind
of
like
a
new
project
that
maybe
wants
to
you,
know,
get
incubated
by
dx
tower
can
go
to
and
they
can
basically
like.
Ask
okay
like
how
do
we
do
this
on
a
technical
level?
Can
you
give
us
some
resources
at
the
same
time,
write
kind
of
like
something
like
a
cmo?
I
Basically
like
asking
okay
like
how
can
how
do
we
approach
marketing
like
what
should
we
do
like?
How
can
you
help
us
and
the
same
thing
for
like
product,
hiring
audits,
etc?
Right,
so
we
have
like.
We
have
like
specific
groups
of
like
expertise.
Already
within
dx
style,
and
I
think
just
making
them
available
for
like
outside
projects,
I
think
that's
really
the
the
big
value
that
we
can
add
in
a
similar
way.
You
know,
as
we
currently
like
shift
resources
around
to
basically
get
omen,
swapper
or
mesa
over
the
finish
line.
F
That
could
be
interesting.
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
we
don't
like
titles
is,
I
don't
think
people
should
be
like
resting
on
their
title
right.
They
should
be
earning
and
showing
what
their
responsibilities
are,
but
having
those
resources
available
to
teams
and
people
who
are
like
you
know,
coordinating
those
resources
makes
makes
sense
to
me,
and
I
think
we
already
have
like
a
nascent
structure
of
this
sort.
F
I
A
So
so
there's
not
many
projects
to
compare
this
to,
but
you
could
compare
this
to
one
hive.
So,
like
a
team
who
is
in
the
one
hive
ecosystem,
which
is
a
way
less
formal,
dow
than
dx
dow
agave,
there's
a
team,
they
want
to
build
this
product,
they
get
the
support
they
get
the
community.
They
give
tokens
to
the
honey
holders
like
they
connect
themselves
to
the
one
hive
community,
but
they
and
they're
building
the
product
and
it's
going
well,
but
they
they
don't
necessarily
like
it's,
not
an
incubator,
but
it's
a
community.
A
Basically,
it's
joining
and
building
within
a
community
setting
up
like
an
incubator
like
an
official
incubator
which
companies
and
things
have
done
for
many
many
years
is
a
very
structured
thing.
But
but
allowing
a
community
to
join
is
is
something
that's
easier,
I
think,
or
to
join
the
community
yeah.
I
Yeah
I
mean
we
kind
of
like
have
to
think
about
the
overhead.
You
know
like
a
new
community,
they
have
like
all
different
expectations
and
I
don't
know
like
I
think
we
are
already
like
relatively
slow
in
our
decision
making
and
just
like
onboarding
new
communities
might
impact
that
even
further,
I
don't
know,
what
do
you
guys
think.
A
D
I
Isn't
there
like
a
legal
framework
for
dao's
in,
like
I
don't
know,
wyoming
or
something
something
like
that.
D
It's
it's
just
a
fancy
llc.
What
wyoming
has
we
could
form,
there's
so
many
different
types
of
formations
that
we
could
do
if
we
pursue
this
route.
It
would
be
something
that
we
would
need
to
consider
more
thoroughly
if
we're
going
to
be
doing
like
routine
investments
and
things
like
that
like
to
a
large
degree
through
incubation.
D
It
would
be
something
that
we
would
need
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
structure
for,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
options
because
we're
extremely
decentralized
switzerland,
even
or
the
united
states
yeah.
So
it's
not
actually
that
hard
to
execute.
It's
just
of
course,
like
we've
mentioned
deciding
which
direction
we
want
to
go
so
doable,
but
it
depends
if
the
community
wants
to
do
that.
I
I
D
Yeah,
that
would
probably
be
the
first
option
for
us
to
look
at
and
move
from
there
like.
We
would
still,
I
think,
try
to
do
everything
as
like
on-chain
ethereum
web
3,
based
as
possible
as
far
as
like
token
swaps,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that
would
be
the
preference,
but
especially
for
nascent
stage
incubation.
D
I
think
it's
a
really
good
question
for
christopher.
Actually
I
I
mean,
I
think
our
us
as
a
dow
would
have
no
problem
with
that.
It's
more
so
the
recipients
receiving
funds
from
a
non
there's,
just
a
lot
of
aml
and
other
requirements
that
come
into
play.
When
you
don't
have
a
legal
entity
attached
to
it
that
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
them.
The
contract
itself
or
like
the
agreement
of
investment.
D
The
question
was:
just:
how
do
you
do
you
have
any
preference
of
tokens
versus
some
sort
of
traditional
equity
when
you
are
investing
in
d5
or
other
projects.
I
Yeah,
well
I
mean
we
definitely
prefer
tokens,
it's
just
like
so
much
easier
like
no.
You
know
like
50,
page
contracts,
that
we
have
to
review
no
like
stupid.
Like
lawyer
back
and
forth,
I
mean,
I
hope.
Sorry,
like
I
hope
no
lies
are
the
call
here.
I
I'm
sorry,
but
I
I
yeah
I
didn't
mean
it
like
in
a
bad
way
right,
but
I've
definitely
definitely
preferred
pure
token
based
the
thing
is
at
very
early
stages
right.
It
doesn't
really
make
sense
for
like
a
project
to
kind
of
like
force
this
right
away
and
also
like
other
security
assumptions
as.
F
Could
flip
that
around
so
that
they
don't
so
the
company
with
the
projects?
Don't
need
to
worry
about
like
the
fundraising
or
holding
them,
where
we
do
it
in
the
more
decentralized
way,
and
they
can
still
have
control
over
how
we're
many
targets
take
a
profit
but
the
extent
infrastructure
kind
of
handles
the.
A
The
main
thing
is
the
our
products
work,
because
there
there
was
a
dow
and
now
they're
owned
by
a
dao.
The
minute
you
bring
in
a
team
of
three
people
that
owns
the
product
and
they
want
to
own
the
product,
the
whole
product
and
then
give
out
10
like
a
company
like
a
startup,
there's
no
longer
a
dow
owning
the
product.
So
if
it
dow
doesn't
on
the
product
it
it's
it's
very
different
than
what
dx
style
does.
D
Yeah,
I
see
an
issue
there
as
well,
because
we're
so
focused
on
decentralization,
it's
kind
of
like
a
tenet
of
joining
and
participating
in
our
incubation
process.
So
it's
like
what
does
that
look
like
and
how
I
mean,
obviously,
usually
this
the
work.
The
way
this
works
is
there's
some
sort
of
like
genesis
or
launch
of
the
project
of
the
protocol,
and
then
it's
you
know
taken
care
of
by
the
community.
I
I
mean
like
number
one
right:
projects
need
or
like
an
equity
structure
initially
makes
sense
because
it
allows
projects
kind
of
like
a
bank
account
to
basically
like
pay,
for
you
know
like
their.
I
I
don't
know
like
the
bills
that
they
have
to
pay
and
number
two
basically
like
for
ip
protection
reasons
right,
so
I
mean
not
that
you
want
to
protect
your
ip
by
yourself
right,
but
but
your
investors
basically
need
like
some
assurances
right
that
you're,
not
just
going
to
you,
know,
launch
this
and
like
not
give
like
your
investors
like
any
share
of
it,
and
I
think
like
from
that
perspective
right,
we
could
basically
say:
okay,
we
could
actually
like
launch
token
pay
them
kind
of,
like
I
don't
know
like
in
usdc
or
whatever
stable
coin.
I
That
is
basically
like
relatively
easy
to
convert
to
fiat,
but
we
make
the
token
more
or
less
like
transferable
sorry
non-transferable
and
it
cannot
be
sold
to
like
the
public
and
thereby
you
know
we
could
still.
Basically,
I
don't
know
like
somewhat
mimic.
You
know
like
very
illiquid
equity
structures,
as
you
have
like
in
very
early
stage
startups
and
at
the
same
time,
basically
prevent
you
know
that
the
sec
would
come
after
anyone
because
they
sold
securities.
F
D
D
I
think
we
can
figure
out,
like
whatever
the
parties
want
as
far
as
control-
and
you
know
paying
the
bills
and
questions
of
like
partnerships
and
how
that
works
in
the
decentralized
world
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
but
it's
more
so
just
the
transactional
elements
of
receiving
money
from
a
dow,
but
we're
working
that
out
on
an
entirely
separate
issue.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
have
these
problems
for
too
much
longer.
F
A
Cool,
so
we
we
can
currently
move
forward
like
with
some
of
these
opportunities.
If
we
find
teams
and
things
we
can
do
it
currently
through
dx
ventures
already
like
with
tokens
and
it
you
don't
need
to
answer
these
questions
yet,
but
then
longer
term.
We
need
to
answer
these
deeper
questions.
I
think
so,
and
we're
running
our
top
of
the
hour
right
now,
but
the
last
important
thing
was
currently
alchemy
is,
is
like
doing.
Proposals
on
alchemy
is
not
really
working
like
text
is
not
showing
up.
A
There
are
ways
to
do
see
the
details
of
it,
like,
I
think
john
knows
like
through
block
scout
or
like
in
the
text
fields,
but
right
now
we
are
not
really
putting
up
new
proposals
because
it
you
just
see
this
like
blank
proposal
and
you
can
you
could
you
can
then
go
in
and
figure
out
what
it's
going
to
do
and
at
at
some
point,
if
this
is
continues
to
be
a
problem,
we
may
need
to
like
push
some
proposals
through
in
that
manner.
Dow
stack
is
looking
at
how
to
solve
this
issue.
A
A
F
So
I
mean
the
issue:
is
the
description
and
the
title
fields
are
not
being
displayed
in
the
ui
they're,
still
being
posted
to
ipfs
and
and
by
the
way.
This
is
not
like.
This
is
bad
because
it's
kind
of
like
crippling
our
governance
system.
It's
not
a
security
concern
because
we
already
have
like
the
monitoring
in
place
that
is
like
not
dependent
on
alchemy
at
all,
because
I
mean
you
can
have
problems
with
this
analogy.
That's
why
we
aren't
you
know
geared
towards
that,
but
I
would
say
like
it's.
F
Obviously
it's
a
big
problem,
because
people,
just
your
average
voter,
can't
see
the
title
and
the
description
field
right.
So
I
would
say
in
general,
we
should
probably
try
to
like
go
into
a
holding
pattern
until
they
fix
it
like
we
repeating
them
this
morning,
ben
from
dowstec
is
re-indexing
the
sub
graph,
which
seems
like
a
likely
culprit
here,
and
so
hopefully
it
will
get
fixed
in
the
next
day
or
two.
F
F
I
think
it's
just
gonna
require
people
to
take
more
technical
steps
to
actually
understand
the
proposal
like
running
it
through
temporarily
and
checking
ipfs
for
the
description
like
we
could
assist
people
basically
through
the
chat
channels
and
like
pointing
them
to
what
the
proposal
actually
is,
but
I
think
in
general
it's
sort
of
not
a
great
thing,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
pain
in
the
butt,
so
I
would
say,
hold
off
unless
it's
something
really
important.
A
Yeah
well,
there's
a
we
have
a
whole
timing.
Around
swapper
launch
farming
launch
funding,
only
markets
paying
ecc
like
we
have
all
these
things.
That
now
are
in
holding
pattern
that
parts
of
them
are
already
moving,
but
but
we
need.
We.
A
Is
what
it
comes
down
to
so
we
can
wait
a
couple
a
few
more
days.
I
mean
max
a
couple
more
a
few
more
days,
but
then
we
really
need
to
figure
it
out.
There's
the
the
real
layer
issue
is
also
a
pretty
big
issue
where
there's
a
concern
that,
like
any
time,
dx
dow
needs
to
do
a
proposal
now
a
funding
proposal
for,
like
anything,
you
name
it
like
pay
for
a
service
pay
for
a
ticket
fund,
something
send
money
to
some
place.
A
You
can't
do
you
can't
just
like
do
the
proposal,
because
if
it's
a
smart
contract
wallet
which
most
people
that
are
receiving
money
from
a
dow
to
like
a
project
or
like
an
investment
or
so
anything
most
of
those
are
going
to
be
smart
contract
wallets
like
gnosis,
safe
or
something
right,
and
you
can't
actually
do
proposals
to
send
money
to
smart
contract
wallets.
So
we
can
no
longer
use
alchemy
in
the
way
that
we've
always
used
it.
A
Where
you
just
openly
do
proposals
and
it
becomes,
and
anyone
can
do
these
things
like
those
payment
that
payment
mechanism
no
longer
works.
You
have
to
have
like
a
custom
relator
for
every
time
you
want
to
make
that
payment,
and
that
is
that
is
even
for
people
getting
paid
like
even
workers.
If
workers
were
getting
paid
on
mainnet
to
hypnosis
safe,
that's
a
that
doesn't
work
right,
so
right,
yeah.
So
the.
F
Problem
is:
is
there's
a
legacy
transfer
function
in
the
dow
stack
like
core
like
contracts,
it's
called
arc,
not
alchemies
the
front
end
arc
is
the
contracts,
and
so
with
the
purlin
hard
fork.
Things
like
certain
things
got
more
expensive
and
basically
there's
like
it's
a
gas
limit
right.
F
So
if
there's
a
smart
contractor
receiving
the
funds
and
that
smart
contract
is
doing
like
non-standard
things,
like
a
lot
of
them,
do
with
the
fallback
function,
it
becomes
more
expensive
and
the
transfers
won't
work
because
there's
this
hard
coded
limit
so
like
you
can
always
send
to
eoas
like
externally
owned
accounts,
and
we
can
build
relayers
to
send
to
gnosis
safes.
It's
only
how
many
cases
of
this
do
we
have
being
a
problem?
Obviously,
there's
a
problem
for
the
dev
multi-state,
and
now
it's
a
problem
for
omen
squad.
Are
there
other
devils.
A
F
The
bigger
the
bigger
goal
here
is
a
new
governance
system
right
and
that's
like
there's
much
more
than
just
this
thing
getting
fixed
and
that
right,
that's
like
the
long-term
goal,
but
like
in
terms
of
like
how
we
deal
with
the
current
system
that
we
have
like
an
eoa
would
work.
A
relayer
being
deployed
would
work.
I
would
say
if
the
number
of
cases
are
like
a
handful,
we
just
deploy
three
layers
each
time
right
if
it
starts
to
be
like.
F
Oh
there's,
a
dozen
people
with
smart
contracts
that
we
need
to
pay,
and
then
we
can
do
something
more
robust,
which
would
be
like
a
flexible
relayer
that
can
actually
like
take
parameters
and
stuff,
and
something
like
that
we
could
potentially.
I
A
Yeah
all
right,
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind,
and
it
really
what
is
supposed
to
be
an
open
governance
system
like
the
fact
that
anyone
can
propose
stuff
it.
It
introduces
an
obstacle
that
makes
it
it
takes
away
like
the
ability
for
most
people
to
actually
use
it
right,
like
especially
if
you.
F
H
Yeah,
like
still
turning
more
and
more
into
bitcoin,
by
being
less
usable
and
less
usable,
I
mean
no
one
could
predict
it
that
the
upgrade
which
went
live
for
ethereum
kind
of
breaks,
the
system
which
you
kind
of
inherited,
but
I
think
the
guild
approach
could
be
also
like
long-term
solution
for
a
replacement
for
the
legislative
system.
We
are
using
right
now.
F
A
Cool
and
so
like
venky,
asking
like
around
omen
and
swapper
token
launch,
like
do,
we
know
how
we
don't
know
what
the
delays
are,
so
we're
having
trouble,
planning,
timing
and
dates
around
things
because
of
governance
delays.
So
it's
just.
I
guess
it's
just
play
it
by
ear
for
now,
right.