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A
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
monday
december
21st
2020
business
meeting
on
the
agenda.
A
Today
we
have
new
member
introductions
that
the
guys
are
already
here
and
they
will
introduce
themselves
in
a
second,
I
guess
an
api
three
update
from
dave
I'll
press
feedback
request
from
neyman
who's
on
the
call
as
well,
and
another
thing
talking
to
talk
on
is
to
continued
chats
from
last
week
on
the
style
entrepreneur
or
you
know,
partner
on
boarding
and
collaboration,
so
they're
supposed
to
be
matic
coming
in
as
well,
but
it
looks
like
they'll
postpone
to
next
week.
A
D
Can
you
hear
me
now
yeah
sweet
hi,
guys
steven
here
in
denver,
colorado
bernard
and
I
went
into
business
starting
independent,
consulting
company
earlier
this
year,
and
we've
been
talking
to
christopher
the
last
couple
of
months
about
a
few,
a
few
ideas,
and
he
mentioned
that
dx
dow
might
be
looking
at.
D
You
know,
ways
to
incubate
slash,
accelerate
new
projects
or
ideas
within
the
dxdow
ecosystem,
so
we're
here
to
discuss
that
a
bit
I
put
together
a
few
just
really
basic
slides
to
talk
about
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
were
going
to
do.
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
best
to
do
that
towards
the
end,
as
you
guys
start
talking
about
like
entrepreneur,
partner,
onboarding,
stuff
or
or
how
you'd
like
to
do
that.
Just
let
me
know.
A
Yeah,
maybe
we
could
start
with
just
a
few
slides
like
in
in
once
we
finished
like
the
output
feedback.
We
can
start
with
your
slides
and
then
continue
off
the
discussion.
Cool.
C
Okay,
I'm
bernhard,
I'm
obviously
working
with
steve,
as
he
stephen
has
pointed
out,.
C
I've
been
in
the
the
decentralized
space
for
the
last
hours
of
2016,
15
16
and
before
that,
in
the
distributed
space.
So-
and
I
have
one
of
my-
my
pensions
is
for-
for
privacy,
shielding
and
and
threshold
signatures
and
all
kinds
of
saves
and
vaults
and
just
ways
to
improve
interaction
with
the
centralized
system.
So,
and
I
think
you're
gonna
have
the
deck
for
that.
C
If
you
have
any
questions,
probably
easier
than
me,
droning
out.
A
Yeah,
so
thanks
bernard
stephen,
welcome
and
nice
to
have
you
guys
here
yeah
anyone
wants
to
comment
before
we.
Let
give
the
stage
today.
E
Yeah
welcome
guys,
okay,
dave,
take
it
away,
hi
guys
and
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
chat
to
me
dude.
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
conversations
that
apf3
have
had
with
dxdow.
We've
been
on
a
couple
of
calls
now
with
various
members
and
discussed
the
best
way
to
integrate
api
threes
future
the
apis
to
omen's
prediction
markets,
and
I
think
probably
the
easiest
way
of
of
starting
would
be
to
address
some
of
the
questions
that
you
guys
might
have
about
api
three.
E
I
know
that
sky
had
a
few,
so
I
can
always
go
back
to
those
as
posted
in
dow
talk.
But
I
was
wondering
if
anybody
here
had
any
questions
about
how
apf3
was
going
to
work
and
what
you
guys
were
looking
to
get
from.
This
call
really
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
answers
about
how
the
integration
would
look.
F
Yeah,
I
I
mean
I
can
say
no
because
that
so
I
was
hoping
that
to
get
the
discussion
more
lively
and
going
in
the
forum,
which
is
you
know,
I
I
ask
those
questions.
I
don't
know
if
everyone's
read
them,
you
know
you
can
just
search
api
three
in
the
forum,
it's
the
latest
latest
post,
but
yeah
I'll.
Stick
the
link
in
the
chat
as
well.
F
Yeah,
like
my
overall,
like
feeling
of
like
some
of
the
questions,
was
like
how
like
to
treat
this
more,
maybe
as
a
partnership
than
like
the
way
it
initially
was
framed
kind
of
like,
like
almost
selling
a
service
like
for
money,
but
instead
of
money,
it's
like
rep
and
so
we're
kind
of
thinking.
F
How
can
we
help
each
other
and
then,
like
I,
I
agree
like
it's
great
to
have
api
three
like
like,
earn
and
get
rep
and
and
and
voicing
dx
dao
and
and
maybe
vice
versa
as
well.
But
usually
we
see
those
as
like
things
that
progress
over
time.
So
I
guess
it's
a
little
hard
to
like
pinpoint
numbers
on
like
x
amount
of
reputation
per
month,
because
we
don't
we
haven't.
Never
really
used
rep
as
like
payment,
so
I
kind
of
had
some
questions
about
like.
F
Should
we
be
paying
for
this
initially,
should
we
just
like
integrate
it
use
it
help
you
and
like
give
awesome
feedback
and
and
help
you
improve
the
service
or,
and
you
know,
should
we
pay
money
for
it
or
should
we
should
we
would
it
be
best
for
you
to
like
earn
rep
by
that?
You
know
in
place
of
payment
kind.
F
E
From
our
point
of
view
from
you
guys,
we
weren't
really
looking
for
payment.
We
were
looking
for
a
long-term
relationship
to
develop
out
of
it,
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
provide
data,
to
omen
and
to
other
projects
that
the
xdale
can
use
and
the
rep
was
requested.
So
we
could
kind
of
have
a
say
in
shaping
that,
if
necessary,
if
you
think
the
requested
rep
is
too
high,
then
that's
fine.
I
can
kind
of.
E
I
can
reduce
that
that
shouldn't
be
an
issue
and
actually
what
we
were
planning
on
doing
as
well,
as
that
was
a
token
swap,
which
is
it's
kind
of
complicated,
because
you
mentioned
an
exchange
of
rep.
Our
rep
is
well
not
really
our
rep.
Our
voting
power
is
given
by
staking
api.
Three
tokens,
so
rep
to
a
degree
is
free
for
you
to
give,
whereas
our
tokens
to
be
staked
would
need
to
come
from
our
dow
treasury.
E
So
we
would.
I
think
it
might
be
an
idea
to
do
a
swap
of
api
3
for
dxd
tokens
to
align
the
long
term
financial
incentives
around
dxd
token
holders,
and
we
could
always
think
about
reducing
the
rep
requested,
because
that
way,
api
3's
aligned
with
the
different
parts
of
the
dxd
ecosystem,
because
you
have
some
people
who
have
dxd
tokens
and
are
looking
to
see
those
involved
in
governance.
F
Yeah,
I
I
mean
I
I
do
think
that
is
a
another
thing
to
consider.
It's
actually
interesting
because
there's
a
there's
a
similar
conversation
to
this
with
gnosis,
which
we're
trying
we
you
know,
we've
been
working
with
gnosis
for
a
very
long
time.
Dx
dow
has
and
making
sure
incentives
and
and
the
long-term
alignment
is
in
place
there
as
well.
F
So
this
would
be
a
similar
like
newer,
younger
relationship,
but
how
that's
done
like,
unfortunately,
we
don't
have
a
great
answer
for
it
yet
so
like
this
could
be
a
good
way
to
help
us
figure
out
how
to
create
that
longer
term
partnership
with
someone
like
api3,
but
it's
going
to
take
some
time
and
some
discussions.
I
think
if
anyone
else
has
any
thoughts
about
this.
G
Yeah,
so
we
are
also
in
discussion
with
with
another
team
to
have
like
a
partnership,
but
like
you,
you
guys
and
the
other
team.
G
They
went
like
all
in
and
prepared
like
a
big
package
and
we're
kind
of
cautious
about
going
all
in
with,
like
a,
I
don't
know,
a
big
token
swap
and
like
eight
percent
of
rep
minting
just
because
we
don't
know
how
we
work
together
right,
that's
like
it's
very
undefined
and
how
how
we
will
like
emerge
into
like
two
teams
working
on
omen
and
that's
why
we
a
little
bit
cautious
about
like
going
all
in
and
rather
like
starting
working
together,
slowly
and
yeah
learning
working
from
down
to
down
partnership,
not
partnership
like
we
need
to
work
together
right
at
the
end.
G
At
the
end
of
the
day
we
need
to
like
yeah
and
like
in
general,
I'm
I'm
definitely
fine
with
you
guys
inviting
into
the
d
style
organization
dear
rep
over
time.
Just
because
it's
like
important
that
you
guys
have
a
say
about
omen
and
any
oracle
question
regarding
the
d
style.
We
will
need
oracles
not
only
for
omen.
G
So
I'm
definitely
looking
forward
to
come
together
and
define
like
at
least
like
a
short-term
technical
delivery
from
both
sides,
with
like
clear,
clear
rewards
for
both
downs,
and
that's
like
that.
That's
I
think
the
best
way
forward,
yeah
and
and
after
we
see
how
that
works.
I
think
we
could
even
look
a
little
bit
further
ahead
like
and
I
think
that's
my
view
how
we
should
move
forward.
E
G
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
like
definitely
like.
We
could
even
think
a
little
bit
more
short
term
in
terms
of
like
deliveries
that
I
mean
that
is,
of
course,
very
clear.
What
that
means:
yeah,
so
yeah.
That's
definitely
part
of
it
that
we
that
you
guys
actually
showcase
us
how
your
technology
works
and
that
I
I
expect
we
will
take
some
time
to
like
really
dig
into
er
from
from
omen
itself.
There's
a
lot
of
tash
stack
it
does.
G
It
doesn't
look
like
it's
like
complicated,
but
we're
using
actually
complicated
stuff
made
by
gnosis.
You
can
also
save
proxy
kit
conditional
token
framework,
the
the
market
itself
and
yeah
getting
together
working
together
and
then
like
and
then
defining
how
we
looking
into
like
years
of
engagement
and
partnership
is
something
we
need
to
do.
E
Yeah,
I
think
I
agree,
and
maybe
the
best
kind
of
thing
to
do
would
be
if
we
arrange
a
call
with
the
omen
developers
and
our
developers
and
agree
a
kind
of
a
proof
of
concept
effectively,
something
that
we
can
do
to
prove
that
the
air
node
works
and
deliver
basic
data
about
something
relevant
and
then
formulate
a
proposal
around.
That
might
be
a
good
starting
point
and
then
scale
up
by
kind
of
serial
proposals.
H
Yeah
and
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
the
like,
as
you
said,
even
if
you're
focusing
on
this,
like
proof
of
concept,
short-term
thing,
keeping
in
mind
that
this
is
something
to
try
to
scale
to
a
longer
term
and
and
to
keep
the
short
term
in
the
long
term.
Kind
of
going
at
once
should
be
should
be
the
goal
yeah.
H
The
interesting
things
about
this
is
it's
not
just
finding
what
to
collaborate
on
it's
aligning
interests
so
that,
therefore
you
are
like
automatically
working
together,
because
you
know
the
interests
are
aligned
and
it's
just
the
other
thing
I'd
say
is
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
deeks
dao
is
you
know
working
on
and
promoting
is
swapper
in
terms
of
building
its
liquidity?
So
I
think
that's
a
kind
of
component
when
we
think
of
different
partnerships
and
how
we
work
through
that.
G
A
Yeah,
so
just
setting
the
intention
with
you
know
even
something
that
it's
just
a
signal
you
know
swap
a
thousand
dollar
worth
of
tokens
even
for
like
the
first
kind
of
mvp
engagement,
I
think
it
just
says
quite
a
bit
and
then
you
know
later
we
could
scale
it
to
like
a
more
meaningful
token
swap.
E
G
Yeah
as
someone
who's
like
product
management
and
making
sure
omen,
is
moving
on
and
progressing.
I
rather
care
much
more
about
emerge
delivery
like
with
omen,
which
is
a
way
way,
stronger
signal
about
the
capability
between
those
two
dolls
like
starting
this
journey
together
so
like.
I
would
rather
have
this
technical
delivery
in
terms
of
mvp,
with
with
aka
three
oracles
yeah.
I
think
that
is
way
more
impactful.
F
Would
would
you
you'd
be
able
to
either
get
the
data
from
api
3
or
I
don't
think
you'd?
Have
it
running
on
xdi
as
well?
F
But
would
you
is
there
a
way
to
get
the
data
on
to
x
die
chain
as
well,
because
we
do,
we
have
plans
to
have
omen
on
x,
die
and
that's
where
that's
a
place
where,
like
you,
could
see,
there's
a
a
price
like
an
east
price
market
settling
every
day,
right
and
then
you're
gonna
need
a
price
oracle,
feeding
and
feeding
into
those
markets,
and
it's
cheaper
and
easier
and
faster
right
versus
the
mainnet.
Omen
is
much
slower
and
bigger
size
and
you
know
bigger
notions
and
stuff.
E
Yeah
and
we
can
run
on
any
evm
compatible
chain,
so
we've
actually
we've
announced
an
integration
on
matic
who
you're
speaking
to
at
some
point
anyway,
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
proof
of
concept
hackathon
for
those
from
mid-january
to
coincide
with
each
india
but
yeah
we
can
deploy
any
air
node
enabled
api
can
be
used
by
any
evm
chain.
So
we
can
set
up
a
a
decentralized
api
on
next
official.
E
The
original
architecture
for
our
ethereum
feeds
was
to
aggregate
the
data
on
x,
die
between
apis
and
then
bridge
the
actual
data
point
across
to
ethereum
to
lower
gas
prices
as
well.
So
the
I
basically,
if
we're
going
with
that,
then
all
of
the
eth
feeds
will
be
natively
available
next
time
to
start
with,
but
it's
trivial
for
us
to
spin
up
a
new
one
anyway,
cool.
G
Yeah
and
like
to
to
sky's
point
regarding
extra,
like
we
already
are
testing
on
on
the
testnet
x-style
network,
the
omen
with
the
mainnet
bridge,
and
I
think
that
is
like
a
perfect
test
platform
for
your
guys's
technology
with
scalar
markets,
small
markets,
where
we
like
we
could
it
up
in
some
way
and
like
reimburse
like
worst
case
scenario
right,
and
I
think
that
is
also
good
for
you
guys
to
really
test
out
your
technology.
E
Yeah,
that's
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
model
to
test
it.
It's
something
that
we've
been
exploring
like
because
you
want
you
don't
want
it
just
to
be
there
and
to
theoretically
be
used.
You
want
people
to
actually
do
it
and
something
that
we're
thinking
about,
be
maybe
incentivizing
a
prediction
market
that
uses
it.
So
we
make
say
price
data
available
and
then
the
prediction
market
that
generates
the
most
volume
using
an
api,
3
data,
feed
or
settlement.
J
E
Very
because
it's
just
something
that
we
think
would
would
help
and
would
be
a
good
way
of
getting
people
to
use
it.
And
it's
similar
to
when
we
talk
about
other
chain
integration,
we're
starting
off
with
a
hackathon
to
stress
test
everything
so
that
people
use
it.
People
are
incentivized
to
use
it
to
bug
bounty.
So
if
people
see
problems,
they
flag
up
nice
and
early,
and
it's
also
a
good
way
of
of
getting
usage
to
the
blockchain
or
the
platform
that
we're
on
so
doing
that
through
incentivizing
prediction,
markets
works
the
same
way.
A
So,
from
kind
of
like
from
what
I'm
I'm
hearing
here,
geronimo
there's
like
an
action
item,
I
think
that's
that
might
be
like
a
bit
longer
term,
but
you
know
figuring
out
an
integration
with
api
free
for
omen,
whether
it's
on
xdi
or
on
mainnet.
But
what
other
like
action
items?
Do
we
have
right
now
anything
immediate.
K
E
J
E
G
G
Yeah,
I'm
gonna,
make
sure
to
reach
out
to
you
guys
regarding
a
meeting
this
week.
E
I
J
E
You
stake
your
api
3
tokens
into
a
pool,
and
then
that
gives
you
the
ability
to
create
proposals
and
vote
the
threshold
for
proposal
creation.
I
don't
think
is
fully
decided
yet,
but
there
will
be
a
certain
minimum
amount
of
voting
power
you
need
for
it
and
then
that
pot,
the
staked
pot,
is
used
to
collateralize
the
quantifiable
insurance
for
feeds.
So
that
way,
if
the
governors
make
a
mistake,
the
dap
is
compensated
out
of
the
staking
pool,
basically
and
in
turn
for
them
staking
the
tokens
they're
rewarded
with
a
programmatic,
not
programmatic.
E
Sorry,
with
the
dow
defined
release
of
extra
tokens
through
inflation
and
whenever
dapps
are
paying
for
data
feeds,
they'll
be
doing
that
by
burning
api
3
tokens,
so
increased
usage
will
decrease
token
supply,
while
everybody
who's
staking
for
governance
is
still
getting
tokens
through
remission
and
equally,
although
there's
inflation
through
that,
if
you're
partaking
in
governance,
you
won't
be
diluted
because
the
new
tokens
are
distributed
proportionally,
but
it
incentivizes
people
to
check
what
they're
doing
be
really
careful
and
also
not
to
over
insure
and
over
commit
and
basically
to
take
on
a
proportional
amount
of
risk.
E
G
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
is
definitely
crucial
for
us
right.
I
I
expect
at
least
long
term.
We
will
request.
G
E
Can't
request
anything
right:
yeah,
you
should
be
able
to
request
so
the
people
who
use
the
data
don't
have
to
partake
in
governance,
so
the
dow
itself
is
separate
to
data
feeds
in
the
clients
and
actually
the
finished
version
of
these
d
apis
which
what
we're
calling
data
feeds
you'll
be
able
to
subscribe
to
without
speaking
to
the
dow
there
you'll
be
able
to
do
it
all
on
the
chain.
Basically,
so
there'll
be
wallets
that
you
top
up
that
give
you
periodic
access
to
the
dapis.
G
Do
you
see
an
argument
for
letting
the
like
the
dick
start,
joining
the
ap3
governance.
E
I
think
it
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
if
you
guys
partooking
governance,
because
you're
one
of
the
the
biggest
dowels
out
there.
You
have
a
lot
of
members
who
are
very,
very
versed
in
how
dowels
run
and
the
issues
that
come
along
the
way
with
scaling
dowels.
So
from
that
point
of
view,
I
mean
we,
we
very
into
the
data
side
of
things,
but
all
of
the
opinions
that
you
might
have
about
the
rest
of
how
dows
run
and
also
developing
the
dapps.
They
could
all
help.
E
A
I
think
this
is
kind
of
like
a
topic
of
its
own
for
dicks
dao
participating
in
governance
of
other
doubts.
Obviously,
you
know
there's
there's
a
want
and
want
and
need
from
like
both
sides
to
do
that.
The
question
is,
you
know
on
what
bandwidth?
How
do
you
keep
in
update
being
up
like
this
now
updated
with?
You
know
the
other
dials
like
well.
E
E
H
Yeah
we've
explored,
I
mean
we've
explored
a
lot
of
these
things,
but
I
think
what's
exciting
about
this.
Is
you
guys-
and
I
would
say,
put
gnosis
in
this
too-
are
the
type
of
people
that
would
actually
like
to
experiment
with
this
stuff,
because
it's
you
know
it's
hard
to
come
up
with.
You
know
a
flow
for
this,
but
I
think
we
could.
This
would
be
something
maybe
worth
putting
some
resources
into.
One
of
the
things
I
think
is
also
exciting.
H
Is
we're
also
looking
to
introduce
governance
somehow
away
from
like
ethereum
a
little
bit
right
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
like
hardware
in
general,
so
I
know
this
doesn't
get
us
all
the
way
there,
but
I
think
that
would
be
an
interesting
at
least
expansion
of
our
governance
capabilities,
cool.
E
Well,
I'm
gonna
have
to
head
off
really
sorry
that
I
have
to
duck
out
early
guys,
but
thanks
for
the
chat
juanimo,
I
will
email
you
we'll
message
you
some
information
about
when
we
can
meet
this
week
and
we
can
get
that
set
up
quickly
sounds
great
if
you
guys
have
any
other
questions
then
feel
free
to
put
them
in
the
dow
talk
thread
or
message
me
on
key
base.
Okay
and
thanks
for
your
time,
everyone
thanks.
E
A
Okay,
so
should
we
move
on
neyman?
Are
you
here,
maybe
chat
quickly
about
the
outburst
feedback
request
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
section.
So
do
you
want
to
go
anyone.
A
L
Same
thing
as
last
week,
just
and
gt
doesn't
like
firefox
I
had
to
switch
to
live
so
hi
everyone,
I'm
not
going
to
take
much
of
your
time.
I
was
here
already
a
few
times
specifically.
I
was
here
last
week
and
I
said
we
are
going
to
drop
a
link
for
the
thing
that
we
are
developing.
L
It's
called
alpres,
it's
a
self-governing
platform
for
article
publication,
so
it's
kind
of
a
self-governing
medium
which
is
controlled
by
you,
know
a
dao,
and
the
idea
is
that
eventually
the
offers
would
be
the
ones
who
who
actually
manage
that
we
drop
the
link
in
key
base
in
the
dxb's
channel,
and
then
we
also
opened
afterwards
like
an
almond
channel
in
dx
tao,
like
sub
channel
in
under
the
dxdavin
key
base,
and
we
got
lots
of
feedback
and
I'm
here
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
people
actually
saw
the
link
and
beside
the
one
who
gave
feedback.
D
L
We
actually
also
want
feedback
on
how
the
blogs
themselves
look
like
you
know,
from
the
reader
side,
and
I
think
this
this
is
basically
it.
I
would
also
like
to
mention
that
if
anybody
has
like
tried
it
and
have
live,
you
know
feedback
here.
It
will
be
great
and
of
course
like
in
almond,
we
would
like
to
collaborate
with
a
dx
dao
on
this
albus
product.
You
know
to
fit
it
to
your
needs
and
see
what
we
can
do.
L
If
there
are
any
ideas
about
it,
it
will
be
great,
but
if
not,
I
can
always
like
later
on
open
a
topic
in
doubt.
Thanks.
A
A
A
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
like
there's
a
lot
of
potential
here,
for
you
know
guys,
like
bernard
and
stephen,
and
you
know
I've
heard
of
a
lot
of
other
sort
of
entrepreneurs
or
you
know
devs
who
want
to
maybe
do
some.
You
know
temporary
work
or
you
know
a
certain
bounty
or
something
like
that
for
the
dxdow.
This
is
kind
of
like
an
open
discussion
on
how
to
do
that.
How
do
we
onboard
them
and
yeah?
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
start.
F
Well,
I'm
excited
to
hear
what
you
guys
are
working
on,
but
in
general
we
have
had
scenarios
where
people
on
their
own
with
ideas
that
dx
dao
thought
that
that
idea
would
benefit
the
xdao.
F
Have
we've
funded
work
on
those
ideas.
I
think
one
was
for
a
few
months,
maybe
two
or
three
months
of
a
project-
and
you
know
in
that
scenario
there
was
an
idea.
There
was
initial
funding.
There
was
delivery,
delivery
points
that
were
met.
F
There
was
additional
funding
and
then
it's
still
being
worked
on,
and
so
I
think
there
is
very
strong
appetite
for
dx
dow
to
fund
those
things,
assuming
that
it's
a
product
service
related
to
dx,
dao
or
the
d5
space,
and
will
and
and
will
benefit
the
group
overall,
so
that
I
think
I
think
the
exile
is
wide
open
to
things
like
this.
K
I
would
maybe
add,
like
one
feedback
to
this,
that
it
kind
of,
like
has
to
be.
You
know
like
with
a
long-term
commitment,
so,
for
example,
rails
there's
like
zk
payment
solution.
That
is
also
like
that
was
built
on
a
dx
tower.
It's
a
great
tool
right,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
anyone
is
actively
pushing
it
in
any
way.
I'm
not
sure
like
about
the
development,
but
at
least
like
from
you
know
kind
of
like
a
more
you
know.
K
Marketing
or
you
know
I
don't
know
like
community
aspect.
It
doesn't
really
seem
look
like
that.
Anyone
is
is
trying
to
push
it
like
and
like
trying
to
get
usage
onto
it,
and
that
is
kind
of
like
you
know
where
I
would
where
I
would
like
kind
of
like
try
to
make
a
priority
right.
Make
sure
that
this
is
like
really
that
we
only
print
projects
and
teams.
You
know
who
wants
to
who
want
to
like
build
something
for
the
long
term.
H
Yeah,
in
that
case,
like
the
developer
or
entrepreneur
did
their
job
they
kind
of
like
launched
rails
like
got
it
to
this
point,
and
then
that's
where,
like
geeks
dao,
can
have
the
ability
to
push
it
into
their
community
in
terms
of
distribution,
but
also
even
like
users
too.
So
yeah.
I
think
that
I
think
rails
is,
is
a
there's,
a
whole
bunch
of
things
with
it
without
getting
into
that.
But
I
think
that's
a
good
example.
I
think
two
things
on
this
broadly
one.
H
I
really
think
it's
all
about
workers,
you
wanna,
have
a
place
to
attract
smart,
interesting
people
that
wanna
build
things.
No
one
really
knows
if
that's
gonna
be
like
they've
got
like
a
big
idea
that
they
want
to
launch
themselves
or
they
you
know,
want
to
contribute
some
ideas
on
that.
I
think
it's
really
about,
like
you
know,
making
it
a
place
to
grow
for
people
and
explore.
H
Second,
is
on
the
types
of
you
know,
the
the
distinguishing
feature
of
dxdow
or
like
what
makes
deekstyle
competitive
in
this.
Yes,
it's
some
of
the
marketing
communications
things
in
terms
of
being
able
to
push
it
to
a
community,
but
there's
also
complementary
products
that
dxdow
has
so,
of
course,
with
swapper.
Now,
like
the
next
thing
that
we're
talking
about
is
how
do
we
build
other
features
or
products?
H
On
top
of
that,
and
I
think
there's
some
ideas
about
having
some
credit
based
system,
for
instance
in
swapper,
and
so
that's
a
really
great
position
to
be
in
because
we
have
like
swapper
already,
and
so
that's
an
inviting
place
for
developer
to
come
in
is
to
build
something
on
on
top
of
that
and
lastly,
we
also
have
geek
style
also
has
the
ability
to
provide
liquidity
behind
something
like
okay,
you
can
launch
some
some
product
and
because
geeksdale
has
a
treasury
and
a
community.
It
can
provide
like
a
platform
for
that.
H
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
can
be
of
service
in
helping
products
and
ideas
grow
both
within
our
products,
but
also
kind
of
including
additional
outside
entrepreneurs
coming
in.
G
Also,
it's
it's
important
to
clear
out
that
the
fact
that
miser
and
rails
have
been
gifted
by
the
to
the
dx
temple
it
wasn't
being
born
inside
the
dx
doll
outside
like
from
the
dx,
though.
So,
if
there's
not
like
an
entrepreneur
who's
like
saying
okay,
this
is
my
product.
I'm
gonna
make
sure
it
is
successful.
I
have
a
plan,
then
there
is
no
plan
like
if
we
don't.
If
there's
no
one
coming
up
and
saying
okay,
I
will
take
this
responsibility
like
I
can't
force
anyone
to
do
that
right.
G
If
you
don't
have
that,
if
frederico,
who,
who
is
the
main
builder
of
the
product,
is
signaling
he's
rather
caring
about
swapper,
because
he
cares
about
the
dx
though
then,
sadly,
those
products
like
they
don't
get
pushed
yeah
and
like
we
see
with
omen,
that's
like
another
point.
It
was
like
a
very
strong
merge
between
the
d
star
and
gnosis
did
a
lot
of
like
back-end
stuff,
but
everything
else
was
made
by
dxnow.
G
So
we
considered
omens
like
definitely
made
by
us
because
we
gave
like
the
brand
and
the
product
itself
is
made
by
us
and
there's
a
team
who's
like
very
focused
and
wants
to
make
sure
it's
it's
a
successful
and
swapper
like
even
more
crazy
protocol
and
front
end
and
team
is
completely
born
out
of
dx
down.
So
we
have
like
a
variety
of
use
cases,
and
now
we
see
with
bernard
and
and
stephen
all
right
am
I
right.
I
like
who's,
like
maybe
coming
in
with
a
completely
different.
G
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
just
want
to
like
point
out
for
for
four
rails
right,
so
I
mean
I'm
incredibly
grateful
for
like
also
like
for
frederico
kind
of,
like
you
know,
building
that
and
kind
of
like
gifting
it
also
to
to
dickstar
it's
just
in
the
future.
You
know
I
mean,
even
if
things
are,
you
know
be
gifted
to
us
right
should
we,
you
know,
continue
pay
for
them.
You
know,
even
if
we
have
like
no
long-term
plan
for
it,
and
if
no
one
really
wants
to
take
leadership.
K
For
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
just
I
mean
I,
it
probably
gets
like
into
like
a
different
conversation.
I
just
want
to,
like
you
know,
say
we
should
maybe
kind
of
like
draw
the
line
somewhere
and
then
kind
of
like
back
to
the
topic.
I
wanted
to
say
that
entrepreneurs,
you
know
I
mean
they
are
usually
like,
driven
by
a
mission,
but
all
of
them.
You
know
they
also.
K
You
know
they
eventually
want
to
see
like
the
potential
to
get
rich
out
of
this
and
like
what
dx
dollar
like
currently
offers
is
like
a
great
salary,
and
that
is
like
a
great
way
to
start
right,
but
it's
very
difficult,
at
least
from
the
outside,
and
I
think
so
far,
it's
very
difficult
for
any
entrepreneur
to
see.
Okay
like
how.
K
How
can
I
make
like
you
know?
How
can
I
make
like
a
million
here
eventually
right,
and
that
is
kind
of
like
which
brings
us
back
to
the
original
token
discussion
of
kind
of,
like
you
know,
launching
tokens
for
the
dx
tower
specific
products.
You
know
because
they
clearly,
you
know,
provide
like
very
large
upside
potential.
And
yes,
I
know
you
know
it's
probably
we
don't
want.
You
know
mercenaries
here
who
just
want
to
get
like
you
know
who
just
want
to
make
like
a
lot
of
money.
M
Yeah,
I
think
that's
also
a
great
point
because,
like
I
also
think
it's
a
flaw
because,
like
sometimes
like
we're,
maybe
incentivized
like
employees
and
basically
sometimes
we
should
be
incentivized
like
owners
in
order
to
act
like
that,
like
if
you're
vc
and
you
want
to
incentivize
your
ceo,
you
will
not
give
him
salary,
you
give
him
equity
in
the
company
and
that
way
he
will
make
sure
that
that
project
succeeds.
You
know,
that's
also
important.
I
think
that's
good
idea.
J
I
think
it
maybe
is
possible
to
have
a
couple
different
models
as
well.
Like
I
mean,
I
think
there
is
that
the
question
of
like.
Could
there
be
tokens
or
even
existing
products
like?
That
is
one
question,
but
I
think
another
possibility
would
be
like
a
more
of
an
incubation
model
where
the
project
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
like
a
core
dx
style
product,
and
it
could
be
some.
You
know
the
dxo
helps
you
know.
A
Just
to
say
like
to,
I
guess
what
christopher
said
earlier:
it's
an
interesting
balance.
You
know
for
working
with
entrepreneurs
who
build
stuff
for
dxdow.
We
obviously
want
to
support
people
who
want
to
build
decentralized
stuff
and
it's
very
difficult,
and
I
think
digs
dao
has
the
ability
to
supply
them.
A
Like
I
mean
take
the
case
from
monitor,
I
think
anyone
is
not
here
anymore,
but
you
know
even
the
feedback
sessions
that
you
know
you're
doing
to
the
product
and
you
know
maybe
the
style
using
it
could
provide
a
lot
of
insight
for
entrepreneurs
like
building
something,
and
then
the
question
here
is:
how
do
you
yeah?
How
do
you
split
that?
I
don't
know
the
revenue
or
the
potential
future
revenue?
If,
if
it's
a
full
project,
then
it
might
have
a
token
and
then
some
of
that
token
could
go
to
the
external.
A
If
it's
not,
then
how
you
know
if
someone
is
working
really
hard
and
there's
a
full-time
like
like,
I
don't
know,
working
on
a
project
and
you
know
it
takes
that,
helps
that
they
don't
want
to
show
that.
Obviously
you
know
I
have
a
huge
upside
in
financial
incentive,
so
yeah.
H
I'll
just
jump
in
here
and
remember
dick
style
is
building
a
suite
of
products
to
launch
tokens
so
like
we
definitely
want
to
be
a
place
to
like
launch.
You
know
I
mean
whether
it's
you
know
the
ideo,
with
mesa
or
kind
of
things
on
swapper
and
encouraging
and
investing
those
things.
I
think
it's
like
a
a
great
opportunity.
Maybe
this
is
kind
of
john's
point-
that
there
are
many
different
models
here
of
support
that
we
can
engage
in.
B
D
B
All
are
different,
and
so
com
possibility
in
this
area
is
not
really
gifted
for
this
kind
of
yes
entities.
We
are-
and
I
I
think,
one
problem
with
this-
that
in
the
worst
case,
you
end
up
with
different
different
difference
for
every
different
entities
who
work
together
and
then
the
combination
is
like
endless.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
complexity,
which
is
added
with
this,
and,
I
think,
mainly
main
goal
for
us
as
an
organization,
maybe
would
be
like
to
have
like
a
framework
to
agree
on
a
framework
how
we
can
make
these
deals,
then
that
then,
there's
not
this
much
creativity
to
find
a
solution
for
everyone,
but
there's
a
way
to
keep
it
manageable
in
a
way.
B
B
D
A
Yeah,
I
think,
maybe
an
interesting
model
we
could
look
into
is
a
sort
of.
I
don't
want
to
say
like
an
accelerator,
but
you
know
project
comes
it's
a
couple
of
people,
they
get
the
help
of
dxdow
in
you
know
the
the
fundraiser,
with
the
fundraising
suite,
maybe
later
with
marketing,
and
then
you
know
the
dig
style
will
get.
You
know
certain
percent
of
their
tokens
and
you
know,
support
the
the
project
the
project
along
the
way.
This
could
be
like
an
interesting
thing
to
look
at.
A
I
guess
this
also
depends
on
how
progressed
or
how
are
we
progressing
with
that
fun?
Fundraising
suite
and
you
know
if
this
is
a
path
that
we
can
offer
entrepreneurs
and
then
maybe
even
do
like
a
call
out
for
entrepreneurs
come
you
know
with
the
dx
dao.
You
know
these.
That
will
obviously
assess
your
project
and
you
know
it's
viability,
but
you
know
come
and
get
incubated.
Maybe
I'm
not
entirely
sure,
but
this
is.
This
is
an
interesting
angle
for
dxdow.
If
you
want
to
really
support
decentralized
products,.
N
I
mean
there
is,
there
is
a
way
also
to
not.
We
don't
need
to
work
directly
with
the
products
or
take
in
the
products.
We
could
just
do
the
incubation
by
having
a
great
network,
great
tools
and
having
the
expertise
like
this
is
what
at
least
tried
to
talk
about
when
we
talking
about
misa
swapper
and
what
else
we're
gonna
have
in
the
future.
N
It's
just
to
take
a
project
from
idea
to
working
product
to
having
them
do
a
token
and
then
do
a
token
sale
on
on
misa
and
getting
them
on
aftermarket
on
swapper,
and
that's
that
that
could
be
enough,
and
then
we
could
act
like
an
advisor
advisory
and
and
help
them
when
they
need
help.
N
It
doesn't
need
to
be
more
than
that,
so
it
could
be,
it
could
be
taking
in
external
teams,
and
it
could
also
be
just
be
advisory
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
how
we
could
we
could.
Maybe
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
take
a
percentage
of
the
token
as
the
payment
or
how
how
could
it
look
like,
but
I
think
that
would
be
something
we
can
do
like
soon.
J
I
think
that's
interesting
too.
Is
that
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
small
entrepreneurial
teams
in
this
space
that
are
either
exploring
or
interested
in,
like
launching
a
project
and
they're
they're
looking
at
daos
and
doing
it
with
the
dao,
and
I
think
for
a
small
team.
That's
a
lot
of
work
to
take
on.
I
mean
I
think
we
all
know
from
experience
over
last
year,
how
hard
it
is
to
build
community
and
to
even
just
operate
a
dow,
let
alone
you
know,
start
it
from
scratch.
N
Yeah
I
mean
before
I
came
to
dick
style.
I
I
I
kind
of
did
work
for
another
community
based
dao.
They
were
not
a
real
dao,
but
they
their
idea
was
to
be
a
community
driven,
vc,
basically
and
a
decent
decentralized
vc,
and
they
are
huge
now,
like
they're,
really
really
huge,
they're
much
bigger
than
big
style.
Their
market
cap
is
yeah
and
they
are
the.
The
only
thing
they
are
doing
is
is
what
I
told
you
like.
They
are
basically
doing
incubation
and
they
are
taking
projects
they.
N
They
have
a
huge
community
already.
They
connect
partners
so
they're
using
their
network
to
just
grow
an
existing
project
already
and
helping
them
like
fund,
fundraising
and
and
yeah
get
listed
on
different
exchange.
They
have
exchange
partners
stuff,
like
that,
so
I
mean
we
could
we
could
go
in
different,
like
I
think
we
should
still
have
a
niche
where,
with
a
lot
about
decentralization,
maybe
governance
and
and
and
have
like
we
should
have
our
partners
should
be
in
in
in
line
with
our
our
thinking.
A
Yeah
and
I
think,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
entrepreneurs
who
don't
want
to
actually
go
to
vc
route
and
want
to
do
something
like
more
community
or
doubt-oriented
like
before
we
run
out
of
time.
I
wanted
to
give
maybe
stephen
and
bernard
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
like
what
they're
doing-
and
you
know.
Maybe
we
could
put
this
in
in
the
context
of
what
they
have.
D
Yeah,
I
can
jump
in
now
so
real
quick
earlier
this
year
you
know
bernard,
and
I
worked
together
for
a
couple
years
in
the
in
the
decentralized
web
3
space,
and
earlier
this
year
we
decided
to
go
independent
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
one
one
of
which
is
2020
has
been
an
interesting
year
for
projects,
protocols,
layer
ones
maturing
or
beginning
to
mature
in
such
a
way
that
we
can
actually
build.
You
know
some
composable
solutions
using
existing
technologies
in
a
shorter
amount
of
time.
That
accomplishes
a
very
specific.
D
You
know
business
or
risk
transformational
goal,
and
so
we've
really
been
looking
at
what
it
would
take
to
accelerate
adoption
of
existing
technologies
by
kind
of
weaving
them
together
and
and
and
and
offering
them
in
a
specific
way,
and
as
we
talk
about
more
and
more
different
ideas
and
and
things
we'd
like
to
do,
we
keep
coming
back
to
governance.
Dao
governance
defy
and,
like
john
was
just
talking
about
bootstrapping,
a
dow,
a
community.
D
You
know,
people
who
are
willing
to
participate
in
governance
is,
is
a
longer
term
play
right.
I
mean
it's,
it's
very
difficult,
complicated
et
cetera.
So
you
know
looking
at
dx
dow
and
what
you
guys
have
managed
to
do
and
continuing
to.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
learning
to
do,
but
the
the
ecosystem
of
dx
dial
products
is
is
potentially
extremely
valuable
for
what
it
is
we're
looking
to
do,
especially
on
the
governance
side.
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
just
real
quick
on
this
particular
idea
and.
D
A
D
D
Everything
shared
good,
yeah
awesome,
so
just
quick
tldr
here
you
know
what
why
and
how.
So
on
on
the
what
side
we
we
dove
into
some
insurance
options
earlier
this
year,
specifically
as
it
comes
to
like
multi-party
computation
and
threshold
signature,
wallets,
etc,
and
ensuring
you
know,
transactions
right
at
the
time
and
when
christopher
approached
us
with
you
know
some
details
about
some
defined
mutual
insurance
and
some
gaps
that
exist
there.
D
It's
really
interesting,
you
know
diving
into
and
and
looking
at
what
some
of
these
defy
insurance
protocols
have
managed
to
do
and
and
how
much
their
you
know
their
coverage
and
staking
has
grown,
and
because
of
that,
because
you
know
being
a
mutual.
The
kyc
component
limits
quite
a
large
area
of
the
world
from
being
able
to
participate
and
and
get
coverage.
D
So
we,
you
know
we
were
looking
at
what
it
would
take
to
extend
coverage
to
underserved
individuals
through
a
you
know,
wrapped
nft,
and
and
extend
their
product
coverage
and
looking
at
the
community
kind
of
bootstrap
approach,
we
realized
that
the
most
valuable
way
to
do
this
in
a
in
a
more
long-term
sustainable
way
would
be
having
some
sort
of
distributor
referral
system
right.
D
How
can
we
encourage
people
to
you
know,
share
that
this
coverage
exists
in
in
different
communities
and
and
translate
you
know,
articles
and
and
how
to's
and
and
the
like,
so
that
we
get
a
greater
reach,
and
how
do
we
do
that
in
a
decentralized
way
that
we
can?
You
know,
manage
through
a
down
governance
and
and
the
like.
D
So
though
you
know
the
that's
the
what
the
why
on
that
is
kind
of
back
to
why
we
started
our
you
know
our
consulting
company
earlier
this
year,
which
is
you
know,
web3
technology
really
allows.
D
You
know
some
some
amazingly
technically
savvy
people
to
do
some
really
amazing,
useful
stuff
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
but
reaching
the
desired
market
and
and
and
doing
it
in
the
right
way,
sometimes
is-
is
a
lot
more
complicated
either
because
of
overall
engagement
or
user
experience
or
or
the
like
and
so
being
able
to
build.
On
top
of
those
and
extend
you
know,
existing
projects
out
to
new
markets
is
potentially
very
valuable
and
then
the
how
on
this
specifically
is?
D
You
know
we
were
looking
at
you
know
actually,
building
out
the
the
the
coverage
to
extend
to
underserved
markets
is,
is
the
least
complicated
part
of
that,
but
but
building
it
up
in
a
way
that
you
know
it
can
it
can
be
shared
and,
and
and
people
know
that
coverage
is
available
and
people
who
are
sharing
you
know,
community
side
or
or
the
like
can
can
get
rewarded
for
it
in
a
way.
D
That's
not
ponzi
like,
or
you
know,
web3
solutions,
wrapped
in
web
2
style
marketing,
all
some
of
those
icos
that
have
been
coming
out.
You
know
where
you
get
rewarded
for
bringing
more
people
and
their
money
in
et
cetera,
so
we're
looking
at
you
know
decentralized,
incentivization
and
reward
protocols
to
actually
help
accelerate
this
particular
product.
But
the
you
know
the
the
incentivization
reward
protocol
would
not
just
be
applicable
to
this
product,
but
any
other
product
that
would
benefit
from
you
know:
referral
schemes
or
or
affiliate.
D
You
know,
affiliate
marketing
and
the
biggest
part
of
that,
as
I
you
know
mentioned
off
of
what
john
was
talking
about,
was
the
governance
first
approach
and
and
bootstrapping
that
in
a
right
in
the
right
way,
is,
is
a
challenge.
So
any
questions
on
that
stuff
so
far,.
D
Cool
I'm
just
going
to
take
another,
maybe
60
seconds.
So
you
know,
of
course,
the
first
use
case
we
were
looking
at
for
this
was
insurance
coverage
extending
insurance
coverage.
So
you
know
there's
an
opportunity
where
nexus
mutual,
for
instance,
is
ensuring
smart
contracts.
It's
a
high
value,
sustainable,
defy
segment,
and
there
is
a
very
large
underserved
market
at
the
moment
and
the
the
reason
for
that
is
that
you
know
regulatory
requirements
are
limiting
their
ability
to
offer
direct
coverage
to
certain
countries
etc.
D
Because
of
the
you
know,
the
mutual
insurance
model
with
a
you
know,
legal
entity
in
the
united
kingdom
that
prevents
you
know
certain
countries
from
from
registering
and
then
just
a
quick
little
bernard
and
I's
background
mine's
sort
of
multifaceted
across
international
business
and
computational
physics.
D
We've
taken
a
lot
of
detours
into
data
privacy
standards,
verifiability
regulation,
standardization
initiatives
and
earlier
this
year
took
a
detour
into
multi-party
computation
and
threshold
signature
schemes
for
security,
and
then
bernard
has
an
extensive
background
in
in
distributing
decentralized
systems
for
some
some
pretty
big
names,
and
I
like
to
call
him
the
big
brain
though
he
doesn't
like
he
doesn't
like
when
I
do
that,
but
yeah
we're
just
looking
at
you
know
accelerating
adoption
of
various
web
3
solutions
and
working
with
you
know
really
impressive
community
like
dxdow,
presents
some
interesting
opportunities
and
and
and
the
like,
so
just
wanted
to
introduce
ourselves.
D
So
when
we
drop
more
details
on
on
the
forum
or
or
maybe
a
doc
and
key
base,
or
something
that
you
can
put
a
face
to
the
name
and
get
some
feedback
and
go
from
there,.
A
Thanks
a
lot
stephen,
I
think
this
is
like
this
is
great
and
yeah.
I
think
maybe
a
discussion
could
develop
on
the
dow
talk
forum
and
that
could
be
awesome
to
figure
out
how
exactly
we
collaborate.
Is
there
anything
else?
Someone
wants
to
add.
F
Sorry,
one
click
on
that.
Just
a
question
for
steven,
like
I
really
like
the
framing
of
that
idea,
I
I,
like
you
you've,
mentioned
you're,
still
figuring
out
like
really
what
product
and
thing
you
might
want
to
do.
D
Yeah
that
that's
a
really
good
question,
I
think
yeah,
absolutely
there's,
there's
there's
the
funding
to
consider
there's
community
bootstrap,
there's
even
just
even
just
feedback
from
from
experts
that
have
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time.
You
know
building
up
a
a
decentralized
governance
platform
and-
and
essentially
you
know,
developing
of
a
various
array
of
products-
there's
a
lot
of
different
value
right
and
I
think
we
haven't
had
enough
time
yet
to
really
sit
down
and
work
through
and
model
out.
D
You
know
where:
how
valuable
is
any
sort
of
you
know?
Monthly
cash
flow
versus
you
know
just
ensuring
the
success
of
the
platform
by
you
know,
bootstrapping
on
a
on
an
existing
dowel
or
something
so
there's
there's
a
it's
a
yeah.
D
Perspective
is
not
you
know,
it's
not
really
the
most
value
add
for
us
right,
I
mean
the
the
the
value
add,
could
there's
certainly
some
expenses
and
and
and
financing
in
play.
That
would
make
things
easier,
but
there's
also
the
long
term.
You
know
the
success
of
the
product
right.
If
we
just
wanted
to
you
know
incubate
something
put
it
out
and
let
it
go.
D
That's
that's
another
story,
but
setting
it
up
for
success
and
and
the
unique
opportunity
for
dxdow
is
interesting,
so
I
think
we'll
just
kind
of
continue
that
on
the
forum
and
cool
yeah,
I
let
people
ask.
D
F
Another
thing
that
came
across
my
mind
is
you
like
by
hanging
out
with
the
ex
style
you
actually
learn.
We
come
up
with
like
things
that
we
wish
existed
all
the
time,
and
one
example
is
how
can
dx,
dao
or
members
of
dx
down
made
up
of
a
large
set
of
like
20
or
100
people,
or
whatever
run
nodes
like
can?
F
The
key
never
exists
in
one
place
together
ever
can
run
things
like
nodes
and
control
wallets,
not
from
the
actual
dow
directly
but
like
in
a
roundabout
way.
So
that
would
be
like
something
that
dao's
need
and
if
you
guys
are
thinking
about
that,
in
addition
to
other
things
like
it's
interesting
stuff
like
that
that
you
could
solve
probably.
D
C
The
the
part
is
a
really
interesting
one
and
obviously
everybody
needs
funding.
But
one
of
the
things
when
I
gotta
go
back
a
little
bit.
We
originally
were
part
of
a
company
that
had
an
ico,
and
we
very
strongly
feel
that
the
ico,
although
the
ico
was
successful,
was
not
necessarily
benefiting
the
company
as
much
as
it
could,
if
or
should
have,
and
because
there
was
a
lot
of
pressure
to
to
produce
things.
That
weren't
really
necessarily
helpful
in
the
long
run.
C
And
this
is
why
we're
sort
of
a
bit
on
on
the
funding
part,
because
it
has
to
be
a
good
situation
for
everybody,
because
where
we're
coming
comes
come
commitments
and
we
really
want
to
be
in
a
position
to
succeed,
particularly
in
a
taoist
structure,
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
very,
very
harder
to.