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B
Welcome
to
the
governance
discussion,
I
wanted
to
kick
off.
First
with
gas
refunds
just
revisiting
a
bit.
From
last
week
we
presented
some
of
the
initial
data
that
nico
had
sent.
Then
he
actually
put
it
into
a
post,
and
there
are
a
couple
things
with
that:
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
share
my
screen
for
that
application
window
for
the
niko
host.
Does
that
come
in
yeah?
B
Okay,
so
actually
niko
did
an
update
this
morning,
so
I
think
they're
kind
of
two
things
to
take
from
it
just
for
nico's
post
here.
These
are
the
kind
of
numbers
for
the
latest
period.
This
is
up
about
two
e's
from
the
previous
post
because
of
the
execution,
bot
or
kind
of
the
whole
discussion
around
how
that's
working
so
there's
a
couple
bit
more
there,
so
you
can
see
that
numbers
are
kind
of
like
21.68.
B
This
is
for,
like
I
think,
a
seven
week
period
august,
24th
to
like
october
tenths
or
around
there,
so
pretty
significant,
spend
and
then
just
above
I
had
taken
the
some
of
the
the
proposals
and
I
just
kind
of
classified
them
into
some
of
the
commonly
used
things
that
we're
doing.
B
Obviously,
some
of
these
have
their
own
scheme
themselves
like
the
token
registration,
but
a
lot
of
things
that
could
happen
through
the
funding
and
voting
power,
and
so
you
can
see
like
most
of
our
proposals
on
surprisingly
our
worker
compensation
proposals,
and
then
we
had
a
huge
portion
of
these
that
are
like
rep
rewards,
and
so
I'm
just
thinking
about
like
this,
you
know
how
we
can
be
more
efficient
in
this.
I
think
this
is,
you
know,
helps
us
kind
of
understand.
B
Where
were
where
the
proposals
are
being
used,
so
just
wanted
to
kick
that
off
nico.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
anything
to
add
on
kind
of
calculation
or
yeah.
C
The
process
goes
yeah,
so
in
general,
what
we
added
in
the
last
update.
It
was
like
an
idea
from
from
sky,
and
we
should
find
concerns
about
it.
It's
like
in
the
first
post,
we
only
included
refunding
of
transaction
regarding
execution
of
proposals,
so
once
the
dow
ready
for
the
proposal
to
refund
those
costs,
but
as
the
bot
was
not
running
mainly
in
september,
some
individual
users
were
also
executing
transaction
to
boost
proposals.
C
That's
something
we
included
in
the
second
post,
but
for
sure
we
haven't
ratified
about
like
really
refunding
that
that's
something
we
should
find
concerns
about.
It.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
the
bot,
whatever
the
bot
has
been
on
discussion
yesterday,
developer
call
and
elsewhere.
So
I
think,
there's
what
do
we
do
about
those
processes
going
forward
because
I
think,
like
you,
need
them
like
to
function.
Dxdow
needs
that
as
a
function.
So,
however,
we
should
come
to
some
agreement
on
that
and
I
think
the
conversation
specifically
on
like
what
about
the
last
six
or
seven
weeks
when
the
bot
didn't
wasn't
running.
We
had
to
do
that
manually.
So
I
think
for
that
one.
B
That
kind
of
seems,
I
think,
given
that
we
were
funding
the
other
gas
expenditures.
I
think
those
kind
of
would
fall
into
that
under
those
probably
same
pretenses.
I
guess
going
forward
like
I
feel
like
we
should
think
about
a
different
system,
as
we've
kind
of
talked
about.
A
A
A
The
other
thing
is
we're
we're
trusting
this
one
bot
so
the
way
to
decentralize,
that
is
to
actually
create
a
bunch
of
more
bots,
a
bunch,
more
bots
that
look
at
the
same
thing
and
all
execute,
but
really
they're
only
going
to
do
that
if
they're
getting
if
they're
incentivized
to
do
that,
which
is
what
happens
actually
in
my
dial,
like
you
get
paid
when
you
execute,
so
you
could,
but
that
would
be
a
change
to
the
system,
but
that's
a
longer
term
decentralized
answer.
B
Cool
and
yeah,
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
figure
out
how
to
do
that
here.
So
I
guess
the
niko's
specifically
just
on
the
consensus
on
the
the
last
one.
I
think
that
makes
sense
a
lot.
You
know
it's
remember,
there's
not,
there's
not
really
any
difference
between
those
actions.
A
The
other,
the
other
topic
which
I
wrote
a
little
about
in
the
in
the
governance
chat,
is
like
big
picture.
A
A
Chris's
analysis
of
like
which
types
of
proposals
are,
are
taking
up
the
most
number
of
proposals,
but
you
actually
have
to
then
say
how
many
people
can
vote
on
our
proposals
and
how
much
did
it
cost
and
so
what
we
had
is
we
had
like
10
people
voting
on
every
worker
proposal
to
get
it
to
get
a
high
percentage
turnout,
but
even
if
you
had
one
or
two
people
vote,
they
would
still
pass
right.
So
it's
safer
to
have
more
people
vote,
but
then
it's
way
more
expensive.
A
So
if
we,
if
we
all
said
okay,
everyone
submits
a
worker
proposal
like
let's
just
have
two
people
vote
on
each
of
them,
but
actually
somewhere
else,
either
on
octane
or
on
xdx.
Now,
like
15
people,
all
said
that,
like
we're,
okay
with
those
record
proposals,
but
only
two
people
actually
voted
enough
to
get
it
to
pass.
A
You
would
actually
save
80
to
90
of
the
talks
that
we've
spent
voting
on
on
main
net,
and
and
that's
that's
only
if
we
want
to
actually
save
money,
not
not
not
depending
on
our
gas
basically,
but
we
haven't
decided
if
we
want
to
do
that
and
the
fewer
people
that
the
fewer
people
that
vote
on
mainnet
the
riskier.
It
is
because
some
big
person
could
come
in
at
the
last
second
and
do
the
opposite
vote
and
like
if
it
was
an
important
proposal.
A
You
probably
wouldn't
want
to
do
this,
but
for
worker
proposals,
you're,
assuming
no
one's
going
to
come
in
and
vote
against
it
at
the
last.
Second,
that
you
would
you
don't
need
20
people
to
vote
on
working
right.
That
would
not
be
the
way
to
save
money.
If,
if
that's
what
we
wanted
to
do,
but
we
haven't
decided
that.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
that's
why
you
know
looking
at
the
amount
spent
and
then
also
like
the
specific
proposals.
I
think
it's
like
okay,
how
do
we
make
worker
compensation
proposals
cheaper
right
and,
like
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
solution
to
that
is
but,
like
I
think
clearly,
if
you
just
look
at
kind
of
the
the
governance
clause,
that's
taking
like
a
a
big.
A
Chunk
of
chunk
of
that.
Well,
in
that
scenario
like
let's
there,
because
there
were
like
20
of
them
right,
but
instead
of
if
you
had
20
worker
proposals
in
that
period,
you
you
basically
just
need
fewer
people
voting
on
them
to
make
sure
they
pass.
That
would
be
yeah.
B
B
Just
yeah
I
mean
that's
just
like
tough.
I
mean
people
voted
themselves
right,
like
people's
individual
wallets.
Obviously
they're
responding
to
incentives
from
like
the
from
dx
dow
in
terms
of
subsidizing,
some
of
those
like
costs,
but
it's
not
like
the
deep
style
is
any
say
over
whether
or
not
people
how
many
people
vote
on
proposals
or
not.
We
only
have
like
some
incentives
to
build
there.
A
C
Especially
talking
about
like
the
worker
proposals,
there
might
be
also
more
efficient
ways
in
doing
that,
like
if
you're
an
employer
in
a
company
in
the
traditional
world,
you
don't
have
to
submit
a
proposal
each
month
as
well,
so
the
same
way
as
we're
thinking
about
resting
contracts.
You
might
get
start
thinking
about
worker
proposals
as
well.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
like
where
I'm
thinking
about
this
more
is
like
how
to
how
does
this
scale
right?
Because,
if
we're
going
to
have
well
say
from
a
broad
perspective,
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
like
paying
contributors
is
like
a
core
function
of
the
dow
right.
That's
really
what
leads
to
all
of
these
other
things
that
products
being
built
of
different
communication
around
the
community.
B
It's
because
of
that
like
core
function
and
you
think
of
like
what's
the
difference
between
dx,
dow
and
a
company,
what's
like
a
company,
has
a
bank
account
that
they
can
pay
people
through
and
they
have
to
go
through
a
whole
bunch
of
services.
Payroll
like
it's
very
expensive,
for
companies
got
to
do
this.
So
I'm
just
you
know
thinking
about
this.
This
is
not
like
a
kind
of
a
side
project
it
it.
B
It
does
get
to
that
kind
of
core
function
of
dx
dow,
and
that's
why
I
kind
of
hear
what
nico's
saying
I'm
thinking
about
what
the
like?
What's
what's
the
system
for
we're
going
to
do?
50
work
proposals
a
month
right
because,
like
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that
through
alchemy,
right
now
or
kind
of
like
the
current,
and
it
just
does
get
into
kind
of
the
investing
discussion.
And
so
I
I
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
solve
it
all
here,
but
I
think
it's
not
just
kind
of
like
tweaking.
A
But
I
guess
my
my
overall
point
is
the
number
like
the
number
of
worker
proposals
was
not
the
majority
cost.
It
was
the
the
number
of
votes
on
each
of
the
proposals.
That's
the
majority
cost.
So
it's
okay!
If
everyone
just
did
their
worker
proposal
once
per
month
and
got
paid.
That's
like
two
proposals
every
two
months
well
with
dxd.
It
might
be
another.
You
might
double
that
right
because
you've
got
the
investing
part,
but
it's
the
it's
the
10
votes
of
on
each
of
those
20
things
by
10,
different
people
or
15
different
people.
D
Right,
but
that
is
a
function
of
governance,
and
I
don't
think
we
should
dismiss
that
as
useless,
even
if
it
is
not
necessary
to
pass
a
proposal
right,
because
I
mean
people
are
kind
of
voicing
and
making
it
known
how
they
feel
about
a
worker
proposal
they're
not
necessarily
always
going
to
pass
right,
there's
going
to
potentially
be
contentious
ones
and
to
kind
of
change
things.
So
I
think
in
general
we
should
not
discourage
voter
participation.
We
should
focus
on
ways
to
minimize
costs,
in
other
other.
D
Right
and
there's
nothing
coming
like
immediately
in
the
near
term
for
this,
but
there
is
some
thought
and
thinking
being
done
about
basically
the
scalability
of
this
right.
So
like
yeah,
I
think,
potentially
there
will
be
solutions
in
the
future
to
kind
of
help
mitigate
like
basically
collapsing
the
number,
the
cost
of
the
number
of
votes
per
proposal
to
like
equate.
Basically
one
yeah.
A
C
On
the
other
side,
we
should
take
into
account
the
first
refund,
which
is
open.
I
guess
around
five.
For
six
weeks,
only
25
percent
has
been
claimed
of
all
of
that
refunds,
so
how
much
actually
will
be
refunded
for
all
of
the
accounts?
It's
like
an
open
question
as
well.
Yeah.
A
Yeah,
it
would
be
good
to
cut
like
that
would
actually
be
a
good
like
case
scenario
like
finding
who
some
of
those
people
are
who
spent
a
chunk
of
money
on
voting
and
either
they
don't
know
about
this
refund.
They
haven't
looked
at
the
exam
a
long
time.
They
don't
care
about
it
and
actually
like
seeking
out
of
like
five
of
those
people
and
learning,
what's
happened
to
them
or
why
they
don't
want
the
refund
and
we're
not
gonna
find
all
100
of
them
right.
But
learning.
B
A
B
Yeah
I'd
be
interested
in
in
just
doing
some
forensics
work
on
who
those
people
are
and
just
like.
You
know,
if
they're
voting,
but
not
claiming
what
else
are
they
doing
on
change,
yeah
cool
all
right.
I
think
obviously
we'll
talk
about
gas
stuff
with
x
dive,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
gas
refunds,
and
that
I
think.
B
Pretty
good
spot
to
to
move
on,
and
then
I
just
because
I
wanted
to
close
up
on
like
governance,
1.0
stuff
or
things
that
were
currently
in
in
the
queue.
I
did
just
want
to
talk
briefly
about
two
proposals
that
were
there
that
I
know,
or
I
wasn't
sure
what
to
do
with
them.
B
I
guess
in
terms
of
like
voting
or
or
that,
and
so
one
is
the
the
omen
gasp
one
and
then
the
other
is
the
funding
outcome,
execution
part
which
I
guess
we
just
talked
about
that
with
niko.
So
niko
you
want
to
start
with
the
alchemy
of
some
houston
box.
You
know
that's
a
proposal,
so
that
would
basically
send
10
eth
when
that
would
when
the
previous
10th
would
go
away
or
how
exactly
did
that
work?
Yep.
C
So
currently,
the
bot
is
like
operated
by
dow
stack
and
we
sent
the
first
proposal
to
the
bot.
I
guess
last
month,
5
eve
which
intended
to
I
didn't
like
a
rough
calculation,
and
I
assumed
it
would
take
two
months
to
run
out
of
funds.
C
However,
in
the
last
few
days
there
was
like
an
issue
on
the
bot
which,
which
train
defunds,
why
we
need
to
refund
it
early
and
that
proposal
will
actually
pass
in
three
days
and
once
the
fund
has
been
reached
to
you,
but
it
should
make
sure
that
it
will
transact
execute
all
of
these
transactions.
So
we
needed
to
to
execute
manually
in
the
last
few
weeks
so
and
anyway
forward,
because
we
do
all
of
the
refunds
every
month.
One
of
the
addresses
in
the
reimbursements
would
just
be
the
bot
itself.
C
B
And
then
the
other
one
in
there,
which
is
not
boosted,
I
don't
think
it's
kind
of
at
the
bottom-
is
the
omen
gas
experiment,
one
and
so
sky.
A
B
A
D
D
B
A
B
B
A
B
Because
I
had
boosted
a
proposal
yesterday
and
yeah-
it's,
I
guess
it's
still,
it's
not
in
the
pending,
boosting
it's
just
in
the
regular
proposals,
and
so
I
guess
it
will
hopefully
go
to
boosted
proposal
when
it
when
that
time
period
expires
the
the
boosting
period
so
that
it
all
have
like
this.
This
stake
up.
C
A
So
on
xdi,
some
of
the
I'm,
I'm
pretty
sure
some
of
the
original
proposals
that
elon
put
in
and
the
signal
one
I
put
in
they
went
into
the
boosting
normal
area
and
then
there's
a
24
hour
countdown
and
then
once
after
the
24
hour,
it
gets
goes
into
boosted
proposals
that
worked
before
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
working
just
right
now
so
and
you
don't
see
it
the
countdown
clock
on
them,
so
you
will
see
if
they
get
boosted
when
24
hour
ends,
but
it's
definitely
not
showing
you
the
clock.
So
this
is.
A
B
B
Yeah
all
right,
well
cool.
Well,
I
wanted
to
talk
kind
of
broadly
about
xdi
or
the
xdi
base
sky
had
the
working
document
that
he
created,
and
you
know
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
or
figuring
out
what
we
can
do
or
can't
do,
and
you
know
identifying
long-term
goals,
but
also
like
what
can
we
kind
of
do
in
the
short
term
and
then
obviously,
like
figuring
out
some
of
these
some
of
these
little
kinks
in
the
system?
So
this
guy?
A
And
chris
and
a
few
others
added
some
good
comments,
which
I
incorporated,
I
guess
there's
a
little
bit
there's
a
little
bit
of
like
big
picture
decision.
Oh
you're,
showing
it
of
like
what
the
goals
were
and
there's.
A
I
think
different
people
had
different
because
it
was
never
laid
out
from
the
start.
Different
people
have
different
goals,
so
these
two,
like
originally
we're
thinking
well,
at
least
in
the
five-point
proposal
like
two
of
the
main
goals,
are
to
like
do
really
cheap
much
cheaper
voting.
A
Now
that
that
five
point
plan
didn't
say
that
x,
x,
die
version
of
the
dow
is
the
solution
for
cheap
voting,
but
it
inherently
is
one
of
the
ways
we
could
do
cheaper
voting
right,
because
layer,
two
and
all
the
bigger
ideas
around
mainnet
stuff
does
don't
exist
yet
so
today,
the
cheapest
place
to
do
widespread.
Dow
voting
would
be
on
this
x,
dx
dial
right.
A
A
Now
this
is
an
experiment,
right,
as
you
say,
it's
experiment
with
multi-chain
governance.
I
don't
know
at
this
point
if
you
would
want
to
use
xdx
dow
to
govern
products
on
an
x
die
because
we
don't
even
know
we
don't
have
any
experience
with
this
dow.
But
if
this
is,
if
this,
if
the
x
died,
dao
is
the
only
method
to
do
governance
on
of
dx
dow
products
that
are
on
x
die
chain
like
when
mesa
and
omen
and
dx
fop
are
also
on
xdi.
A
I
think
that
this
dow
may
be
a
good
place
to
test
the
real
layer
and
test
the
governance
and
test
the
the
schemes
that
we're
making
so,
but
it
is
experimental
so
saying
all
in
like
well,
I
don't
know
if
there's
another
option
if
there's
another
way
to
even
govern
those
products,
unless
you're
using
the
dow
that
is
on
x,
die.
So
that
first
point
is
a
valid
point
governing
those
products,
but
then
they
have
to
make
the
assumption
that
all
of
those
products
plus
the
dow
are
all
experimental.
A
A
A
A
Now,
however,
the
the
strong
characteristic
is
that
the
rep
holders
we
know
that
the
rep
holders
are
the
same,
basically
one
to
one
between
these
two
dowels.
So
if
you,
if
the
rep
holders
are
the
same,
you
would
you
would
assume
that
if
you,
if
the
rep
holders
make
come
to
an
agreement
on
x,
didao
that
they
will
also
come
to
the
same
agreement
on
main
net
dow,
so
you
kind
of
have
to
make
that
assumption.
A
But
but
the
point
of
this
doc
is
to
really
outline
and
pinpoint
what
are
the
specific,
let's
say
two
or
three
things
that
we
would
like
to
start
with
and
experiment
with,
and
then
this
last
part
you're
on
it
has
to
do
with
rep
most
of
the
rep
like
when
people
earn
rep
through
worker
proposals
or
they
earn
rep
through
even
a
rep
boost
or
something
it
sounds
like
that's
all
going
to
stay
on
main
net
and
it's
the
safer
better
place
for
it
to
be.
A
The
only
rep
that
would
be
earned
on
xdy
would
be
if
we
had
a
very
active
community
around
bounties
and
proposals
and
people
that
are
earning
a
bit
of
rep
for
doing
proposals.
So,
like
someone
does
a
bounty
and
then
say:
oh
they
tell
that
guy,
okay
submit
your
proposal
on
x,
die
dial,
they're
going
to
earn
a
bit
of
rep
that
might
be
their
first
rep
they
ever
earned.
A
Now
the
the
question
is:
should
the
rep
they
earn
on
xdidao
at
some
point
in
time?
Should
they
get
the
equivalent
amount
of
that
rep
on
mainnet?
Because
if
we're
encouraging
people
to
use
x,
didao
for
lots
of
active,
quick,
cheaper
governance
and
people
are
earning
rep,
you
would
think
that
that
that
rep
should
also
be
given
to
them
on
mainnet,
and
so
this
process
I
came
up
with,
which
is
mainly
going
to
be.
A
It
is
a
two-way.
It
is
a
two-way
rep
bridge,
basically
like
if
you
earn
rep
on
one
of
the
chains.
You're
gonna
also
get
it
on
the
other
chain
at
some
point
in
time,.
D
I
think
that
kind
of
also
prompts
us
to
take
another
look
at
what
the
rep
reward
is
for
each
proposal,
because
I
think
in
theory,
if
there's
a
lot
of
proposals
on
next
day,
you
know
we'd
want
to
kind
of
calibrate
the
the
amount
of
breath.
That's
earned
to
be
appropriate
and
I
think
we
also
should
probably
be
thinking
about
it.
Anyways.
A
Yeah
so
yeah
that
gets
back
to
the
discussion
of
like
when
people
are
doing
proposals
on
mainnet.
If
we're
just
talking
about
mainnet
and
you're,
getting
500
rep
per
proposal,
you're
encouraged,
I
I
think
the
reason
for
that
and
someone
originally
said
that
right.
So
that
was
an
original
setting
and
that
number
matters,
because
there's
a
total
there's
a
million
rep
in
the
beginning
and
there's
500
reps,
you
earn
from
doing
a
proposal.
Someone
came
up
with
that,
so
everything
else
you
do
is
based
off
of
those
numbers.
A
Basically
like
there
are
relative
to
those
numbers,
and
at
this
point
you
know,
500
rep
is
0.03
or
something
like
that.
But
eventually,
as
we
have
inflation,
500
rep
will
become
smaller
and
smaller.
A
No
there's
a
much
bigger
amount
of
rep
is
you're
going
to
earn
a
smaller
percentage
of
rep,
but
you're
always
going
to
get
that
500
for
being
active,
and
so
the
question
you're
asking
john
is
like
on.
If
you're
doing
it
on
on
x,
die,
should
you
also
get
500
rep
per
proposal,
or
should
you
get
something
like
half
that,
like
250
rep,
because
it's
on
the
on
the
side
on
the
side
dial?
A
I
guess
it
depends
on
the
actions
and
stuff.
But
at
this
point
like
the
important
rep,
the
biggest
issuance
of
rep,
which
is
worker
proposals,
I
think
there's
still
a
plan
to
have
that
all
being
done
on
mainnet,
because
that's
where
the
main
up
proposals
for
payment
and
rep
will
be
so
that
you
know
from
a
from
a
security
and
protection
view
having
that
on,
mainnet
is
is
more
expensive,
but
it
it
it
eliminates
the
risk
of
like
some
guy
getting
some
giant
amount
of
rep
on
on
x,
die
and
then
saying.
A
B
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
couple
things
that
you
want
over
at
their
sky
and,
I
think,
just
kind
of
starting
out
at
the
sub-parallel
dow.
I
like
paused
on
that
for
a
long
time,
because
I
actually
think
it
is
really
important
to
understand
like
how
this
exists
to
the
side
of
the
style,
but
is
like
somehow
connected
right.
There's
no
actual,
like
dx
down
main
chain
controls
x,
dx
down,
and
so
I
I
just
think
in
terms
of
like
framing
it.
A
B
B
It
may
be
owned
by
everyone
like
in
that
other
place,
but
I
think
it's
it's
it's
different
because
it's
a
different
jurisdiction,
because,
ultimately,
it's
not
like
the
company
enforcing
that
jv
or
other
entity
in
that
that
new
jurisdiction,
it's
doing
it
through
the
government
that
controls
that,
and
so
I
just
think
it's
like
a
slight
like
disconnect,
and
I
I
mean
I
don't
think
it's.
I
just
think
it's
I
think
it's
like
the
right
framing,
because
that's
what
I'm
saying
is.
B
Now,
you're
talking
about
something
that
kind
of
connects,
that's
that's
kind
of
my
whole
point
is
that
they
kind
of
start
as
two
different
groups,
and
I
think
that
it's
just
because
there's
not
like
a
direct
control
right
now.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
establish
something
that
could
because
right
now
like
next,
I
xd
exile
could
go
off
and
do
whatever
they
do
whatever
they
want.
B
Of
course
it's
the
people
in
that
are
supposed
to
the
rep
holders,
but,
for
instance,
what,
if,
like
the
x,
died
diets
now
agreed
to
slash
like
a
bunch
of
rep
and
obviously
like
only,
I
think,
like
70
percent
of
rep,
was
mapped
to
xda
excited
staff
anyway,
I
I'm
getting
that.
B
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
touch
on
a
couple
different
things
here,
yeah,
and
so
I
guess
when
I
the
three
goals,
I
think
they're
like,
as
I
said,
govern,
govern
products
on
x,
I
chain
experiment
with
multi-chain
governance
and
then
like
fun,
low-cost
bounties.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
things
we'll
be
able
to
use
x,
dot
four,
but
I
think
we
should
start
thinking
specifically
like
what
can
we
do
with
it
right
now,
as
opposed
to
like
what
are
our
long-term
goals?
B
We've
got
like
the
long-term
goals,
but
in
terms
of
like
things
that
we
can
do
right
now,
I
really
think
it's
those
three
right
there,
because
anything
else
I
think,
needs
to
have
like
some
establishment
of
legitimacy,
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
talking
about
sky,
with
like
signal
proposals
or
rolling
up
things
on
chain,
all
of
which
I
think
are
important,
but,
like
those
are,
that's
how
you
establish
legitimacy,
and
so
I
think
for
me
the
kind
of
focus
is
is
on
like
x,
die
products
and
low-cost
bounties.
B
I
think
low-cost
bounties
could
be
like
a
really
really
like
huge
thing.
It's
just
like
a
nice
like
all
these
different
marketing
or
naming
things
that
we're
trying
to
do.
I
think
that
could
all
kind
of
go
through
xdi,
and
then
I
think
when
we
get
to
like
signal
proposals
and
worker
proposals.
B
I
think
those
are
things
that
like
can
get
in
granite
integrated
over
time,
but
are
going
to
have
to
somehow
be
in
conjunction
with
main
net
proposals,
and
I
think
that,
like
alignment
of
main
proposals,
just
will
like
slow,
slow
things
down
a
bit.
So
it's
like
what
are
the
things
that,
like
xdi
dx
dow,
can
do
by
itself
really
and
now
that
there's
some
if
we
fund
it
with
some
money
right
and
then
some
something
else.
And
of
course
I
think
the
rep
issuing
rep
is
another
thing.
It
can
do.
A
Yeah
so
having
a
pot
of
money
there
for
low-cost
bounties,
which
operates
on
its
own
and
then
competitions
is
the
other
thing
that
could
be
really
that
exists
in
this
down,
doesn't
exist
on
main
net
really
and
which
is
kind
of
mixed,
with
bounties,
bounties
and
competitions.
Because
there's
smaller
amounts
of
money
involved,
and
it's.
A
A
B
Think
that's
a
good
analogy,
just
think
about.
Like
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We
wouldn't
turn
over
to
multisig
right
now,
just
for
security
or
kind
of
decentralization
reasons,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
things
we
can
do
to
experiment
with
that,
but
I
think
like
going
back
to
the
like
gas
refund
stuff
at
the
beginning,
like
I
don't
think,
there's
much
ex.
I
could
do
right
now
to
relieve
the
cost.
Okay.
B
Like
we
can't,
I
don't
think
we
can
take
things
from
that
right
now
and
figure
out
upgrade
over
the
next
month,
we're
going
to
have
reduced
gas
costs.
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
try
to
figure
out
what
can
x
die
dx
down
govern
now.
How
can
it
prove
itself
work
out
some
of
the
kinks
and
then
like
going
forward?
It
can
provide
some
relief
on
some
of
those
like
gas
cost
things.
A
A
A
B
Right,
so
I'm
just
omin,
so
omen
and
mesa
are
only
front
ends.
So
in
those
cases,
presumably
like
the
things,
the
front
end
would
still
be
controlled
by
dx
tau
and
I
would
presume
the
x
die.
Dx
dial
would
only
control
the
token
registry
list
and
I
would
assume
that
would
be
true
for
both
mesa
and
open,
which
sounds
like
a
like
good
minimum
level
of
governance.
To
kind
of
like
prove
themselves.
B
A
B
The
token
registry
lists
and
then
has
to
govern
those
parts,
and
that's
only
if
we
choose
to
launch
those
products,
because
in
that
sense
it
would
be
I'm
presuming,
I
guess
anyone
could
actually
probably
launch
dx
swap
on
x
dot,
but
the
act
of
those
products
launching
would
come
with
some
not
permission
but
some
anointing
of
capability
on
that
platform,
and
then
I
think
we
can
try
to
grow
into
the
voice
thing.
B
But
I
just
think
we
need
to
have
like
a
more
focused
space
first
on
that,
but
anyway,
sky
and
I've
been
talking
for
a
while.
Anyone
else
have
different
points
or
agree
or
disagree
with
with.
B
A
Do
more
people
here
agree
that,
like
okay,
I
I
get
that
the
x
x,
dx
dow,
is
not
the
x
dial
and
the
question
is:
what
is
the
x
dial?
It's
like
the
people
that
make
up
the
dial
right
like
any
and
holds
the
money
and
stuff
like
that,
but
like
the
fact
that
you
know
that
it's
the
same
people
that
control
it.
A
D
D
The
exam
is
is
really
only
on
main
net
right
now
right
and
even
if
it's
the
same
voters,
exactly
cloned,
you
would
think
that
reputation
or
that
those
decision
making
should
be
in
line,
but
I
think
for
it
to
have
any
kind
of
authority
that
would
have
to
be
explicitly
kind
of
agreed
upon
via
the
main
net
dial
right,
because
just
because
you
have
a
clone
of
the
rep
somewhere
does
not
make
it
speak
for.
A
Use
them
so
so
we
would
do
a
mainnet
proposal
in
in
order
to
say
the
main
net
dxdao
has
decided
that
xdx
tao
can
speak
for
dx
dial
only
on
the
token
list
related
to
mesa
and
omen,
and
that
would
have
to
pass
on
mainnet
because,
like
you,
you
give
any
control
of
anything
or
funds
to
this
x,
didao
you,
basically
that
is
now
well.
So
I
don't.
D
Think
you
need
to
do
an
explicit
thing
for
the
tokyo,
so
I
mean
that's
already
baked
into
the
there's.
Actually
a
proposal
right
now
for
the
new
develop
for
the
new
version
of
mesa,
all
right,
the
new
version
of
mason.
You
can
see
this
in
the
release,
notes
very
clearly
supports
xdi
and
it
uses
a
the
tcr
that
is
being
proposed
on
the
x
type
right
now.
So.
D
B
B
And
I
think,
like
all
the
things
that
dxdow
can't
do
right,
which
is
like
not
work,
I
mean
worker
proposals
figure
it
out
in
some
way
to
fund
a
remote
team,
which
is
you
know,
a
big
step
in
of
itself
on
main
chain,
but
like
all
of
these
other
kind
of
cool
things
about
bounties
or
marketing
campaigns
like
that
stuff,
we
can't
really
do
on
main
chain,
and
I
think,
like
that's
an
area
too.
That
I
think
is
like
a
focus.
B
Okay,
excite
we'll
oh
we'll
conversation
will
continue,
it'll
be
yeah.
I
know
elon
has
got
some
ideas
too,
so
it'd
be
good
to
continue
that
I
wanted
to
just
check
in
quickly
on
dxd
erc20,
because
I
knew
there
was
some.
The
black
rocket
group
had
been
testing
on
it
or
kind
of
close
diminished,
and
I'm
just
wondering
like
you
know
that
that
could
be
a
potentially
big
change
to
the
structure.
So
I
know
we're
thinking
about
dx
swap
but
specifically
to
governance.
How
do
we?
B
How
do
we
want
to
see
that
unfold?
It's
you
know,
yeah
the
process
of
logistics
and
assigning
rep
or
or
what.
E
It's
going
to
be
important.
Yes,
for
now,
what
we
have
is
just
the
first
iteration
of
the
smart
contracts
and
the
tests
that
they
found
some
minor
issues,
and
there
is
going
to
be
some
refactor
done
on
the
test
after
that,
after
we
have
after
we
do
the
reflector
on
the
test
and
the
on
the
test
view
on
the
contracts,
and
then
we
finish
writing
the
test
that
will
be
ready
for
it
once
it
is
audited
by
phil,
which,
which
has
been
doing
great
or
is
by
a
great
voice.
E
By
the
way
we
are
going
to
integrate
the
erc
20
guild
in
the
hopefully
I
mean
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
decide
with
the
with
the
black
people.
I
want
to
do
it
in
the
dx
trust
application,
just,
for
example,
a
github
where
you
go
and
you
are
going
to
be
part
of
the
governance,
and
we
also
have
to
decide
how
much
reputation
they
give
is
going
to
have.
E
So
there
is
a
lot
of
question
marks
in
where
the
gear
is
going
to
be
how
much
prep
is
going
to
have
but
yeah.
This
seems
that
is
going
to
happen,
hopefully
by
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
year
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
should
be
good
on
on
having
the
dxd
gear
deployed
with
some
reputation,
yeah
yeah.
That
would
be
a
plan.
E
This
is
very
different
from
the
the
exwap
gives,
because
the
extra
figures
are
going
to
have
no
rep.
They
are
just
going
to
go
and
swap
fees.
So
eventually
we
can
even
like
have
a
we
can
say
like
a
dxr
gill
or
like
workers,
the
excel
worker
skill.
Something
like
that.
I
think
that
that
would
be
super
useful
for
us
just
to
have
another.
Where
is
going
to
have
some
private
reputation
and
we
can
agree
as
a
group
of
workers
on
on
something
like
anonymously,
so.
D
D
A
Oh
so
so
john,
that
that
related
to
the
cheapening,
like
our
overall
governance,
you're,
basically
saying,
like
you,
put
all
instead
of
120
individual
worker
proposals
that,
like
hopefully
25
people
vote
on
and
instead
of
them
all
voting
on
you,
you
hatch
them
all
together
and
then
like
the
hold
out
votes
on
the
batch,
and
you
want
high
participation
on
that
on
that
vote.
A
But
then
the
the
individual
proposals,
where,
like
the
money,
gets
paid
out
from
the
from
the
guild
or
something
you
only
really
need,
like
lesser
lesser
voter
participation,
because
you
just
need
enough
to
get
it
to
pass.
And
so
you
get.
You
still
get
the
benefit
of
like
massive
participation
on
the
overall
batch
vote,
and
then
you
eliminate
a
lot
of
the
repetition
of
of
everyone
voting
on
all
of
them
at
the
same
time.
So
you
save
a
lot
of
votes
there.
Yeah.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it
sounds
pretty
similar
to
what
nico
was
talking
about
at
the
beginning,
and
I
think
that's
that's
like
a
type
of
model
that
I
think
yeah
can.
D
D
D
Guild,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
kind
of
like
baby
steps
like
a
little
bit
of
rep,
see
how
much
voter
participation
we
get
et,
cetera,
et
cetera.
You
know
before
really
kind
of
deciding
what
the
rep
allocation
would
be
for,
like
a
dxd
yeah.
That's
all
I
had
to
say.
F
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
say
I'm
I'm
curious.
What
the
voter
participation
is.
Gonna
look
like
on
x
die
just
because
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
it
might
be
like
it
costs
more
on
mainnet,
but
is
there
going
to
be
kind
of
like
a
switching
cost
going
over
to
x,
die
and
trying
to
excuse
me
like
get
people
to
use
x,
die
or
like?
Is
everybody
already
familiar
and
using
xdi,
or
I'm
just
curious?
If,
if
we've
thought
of
that.
D
Yeah
I
was
hoping
that
we
see
increased
voter
participation.
I
mean
partly
because
all
the
gnosis
safes
had
to
confirm
and
map
their
addresses.
So
I
mean
in
some
ways
we
filtered
out
any
inactive
gnosis
safes
from
mainnet
and
then
also
because
the
costs
are
like
you
know,
basically
nothing
right.
So
it's
next
to
nothing
to
participate
on
next
day.
A
Yeah
we
had
a
pretty
good
participation
on
the
signaling,
the
status
signaling
proposal
on
x-tie,
like
just
as
high
as
was
it
like
30
proposals
on
main
net
yeah.
D
B
B
That
would
would
add
a
lot
to
x,
dive.
B
Cool,
I
know
just
two
more
minutes.
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
touch
on
was
just
I
plan
to
submit
the
governance
2.0
working
group
proposal
at
the
end
of
the
day,
presumably
on
main
chain.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
an
opportunity.
I
don't
know
if
the
ex
dive
we
could
do
it
now.
I
guess
we'd
do
both,
maybe
even
do
a
race,
but
anyway,
what
we're
going
into
that
proposal.
B
I
had
sent
out
I
posted
on
the
forum
last
week
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
any
last
feedback.
I
think
the
only
area
that
there
was
any
kind
of
disagreement
or
misunderstanding
was
potentially
on
like
how
open
and
recorded
the
calls
would
be.
Elon
was
saying:
maybe
they
should
be
closed
and
so
and
yeah,
I
think
augusto
I
would
be
the
driver.
B
Presumably
I
think
in
most
single
proposals,
whoever
submits
the
signal
proposal
has
a
little
bit
of
something
responsibility
on
that,
but
yeah.
Let
me
just
paste
the
dock
in
here,
one
more
time
and
then
just
see
if
there's
any,
and
I
guess
the
pros
actually
does
not
like
specifically
say
or
wouldn't
say
me
or
anyone
else,
but
I
didn't.
B
I
would
want
to
specifically
name
people
in
the
in
the
proposal
like
workers
that
we
talked
about
here
and
I
could
share
that
there
and
then
I
think
at
the
bottom.
I
have
active
participants,
have
a
responsibility
to
ensure
execute
execution
and
communications
with
the
community,
but
we
could
put
something
more
explicit
in
there.
So
thoughts
and
and
feedback.
D
B
This
is
like,
when
you're
kind
of
getting
groups
it's
easier
to
get
people
to
join
once
you
have
people
like
on
board,
so
it's
kind
of
like
a
song
and
dance
of
of
that.
So
I
think
we're
in
a
good
position
where
we
have
delphi
and
dao
stack
kind
of
on
board
as
as
like
kind
of
the
core
contributors
along
with
our
group,
and
then
I
was
hoping
to
reach
out
once
you
submit
the
proposal
to
be
like
hey.
B
This
working
group
is
getting
started
and
these
are
the
people
who
I
don't
have
like
super
strong
connections
with.
I
know
a
couple
people
that
I've
listed
there,
who
I
actually
think
would
be
somewhat
interested
in
joining,
but
I
was
gonna
like
present
it
to
them
as
here's
the
working
group
that
we
have
now
it's
got
a
dick
style
group
delphi.
The
dow
stack
would
love
to
have
you
on
board,
but
I
was
planning
to
only
have
the
worker,
the
d8
style
contributors,
delphi,
delphi
and
dow
stack
in
the
actual
proposal.
B
I
was
gonna
name,
I
think
we
should.
I
mean
I
think
we
should
name
names.
Phil
would
be
good,
yeah,
actually,
definitely,
security.
B
Yeah,
so
the
names
are
was
going
to
name,
and
this
is
kind
of
anyone
of
course
kind
of
who's
interested
in
these.
But
I
think
these
people
have
been
talking
about
these
issues
for
a
while,
and
I
I
do
think,
there's
not
culpability,
but
I
think
responsibility
to
contribute
to
that
would
be
myself
john
augusto
sky
geronimo
and
then,
as
I
said,
delphi
dao
stack
and
then
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
name
phil
if
that
would
be
possible
and
then
from
there
like
that's
a
base
that
I
could
then
like.
B
B
And
I
think
we
want
to
like
have
like
another
another
group
that,
like
does
that,
and
I
think
we
like,
I
think
delphi
would
be
interested
in
that
downside,
probably
but
like
we
might
not
be
able
to
get
people
to
like
do
everything
for
that.
But
I
think
fairmont
should
be
like
core
member
of
the
the
bonding
curve
discussion.
E
Eventually,
if
someone
was
interested
also
in
joining
the
group
it
will,
it
would
have
saw
the
topic
you
created
on
that
talk.
Yeah
would
would
have
added
something
right,
so
yep.
D
B
A
B
And
then
just
in
terms
of
like
kind
of
timing
and
schedule,
so
as
I
said,
I
was
going
to
try
to
put
this
to
a
proposal
today,
I'm
going
to
craft
like
another
email
that
is
trying
to
reach
out
to
a
couple
different
people.
I
think
the
I
I
met
the
kind
of
vaguely
know
the
president
and
radical
exchange.
I
think
it
could
be
a
a
good
group
to
maybe
get
involved,
and
then
I
don't
know
personally
santi
from
democracy,
earth
or
ava,
but
I
think
they
would
be
potentially
interesting
people.
B
But
I
was
gonna
start
that,
like
kind
of
recruitment
effort
in
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
which
would
be
maybe
auxiliary
people
who
are
not,
who
don't
know
that
much
about
dxdow
but
maybe
know
about
governance
or
other
things
in
like
blockchain,
who
could
kind
of
contribute
as
from
the
from
the
outside
and
provide
a
good
perspective.
Maybe
they're
just
sitting
in
on
the
calls
they're
not
like
doing
as
much
work.