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B
Welcome
to
the
december
2nd
governance
discussion
for
dx
dao
on
the
governance
1.0
front.
I
wanted
to
start
with
the
governance
gas
refunds
round
two.
So
this
is
the
third
round
actually
because
we
had
round
zero,
which
was
from
august
up
into
all
previous
governance
actions,
doing
some
refunds
on
the
gas
cost
and
then
one
governance
round.
One
was
in
september
to
oct,
I
think,
the
beginning
of
october,
and
so
we
just
have
the
refund
number
two
here
so
nick
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
present
anything
from
that.
B
I've
got
some
kind
of
thoughts
on
that,
but
in
terms
of
people
collecting
and
getting
refunds
is
actually
pretty
easy
process
to
do.
You
do
have
to
kind
of
work
with
ether
scan
there,
but
anything
else
to
kind
of
let
people
know.
C
Not
from
my
side,
like
I
added
an
explanation
in
the
dow
talk
post
and
if
you
have
any
issues,
just
let
me
know,
but
it
should
be
pretty
straightforward.
Getting
getting
your
refund
there.
B
Cool
and
I
this
is
like
now
getting
the
point
where
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
track
record
right,
where
we
can
kind
of
see
and
track
different
things,
so
I
actually
did
kind
of
crunch
some
of
the
or
applied
some
of
the
numbers
from
nico's
post
that
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
share
here
to
show
where
we've
kind
of
come
in
terms
of
proposals
and
spending
out
here.
B
So
these
are
the
kind
of
the
you
can
find
this
in
nico's
post,
but
I
just
kind
of
copied
it
from
there.
So
you
can
see
round
one.
As
I
said,
I
mean
around
zero.
As
I
said
that
one
was.
I
think
it
was
from
like
august
to
ever
since
textiles
inception.
B
So
that's
why
you
see
kind
of
the
higher
numbers
for
proposals
and
votes,
because
that's
several
months,
but
since
gas
was
not
as
much
of
the
concern
there,
you
can
see
that
and
then
I
just
kind
of
put
these
together
in
this
kind
of
component
here.
So
this
is
the
number
of
proposals
here
so
round
zero
round
one
and
round
two
and
so
the
round.
Two.
B
The
most
recent
one
we
have
a
little
bit
less
proposals,
but
there's
actually
a
pretty
a
pretty
good
savings
in
terms
of
gas
costs
from
that,
so
you
can
see
we
had
20
eth
in
28th
in
round
number
one,
and
we
only
did
7.3
east
here.
Obviously,
I
think
that's
mostly
just
because
gas
costs
have
come
down
considerably,
even
if
they
are
a
little
bit
high.
B
And
then
just
kind
of
also
deep
dow
actually
has
some
pretty
good.
I
think
they've
been
doing
a
little
bit
better
about
they
have
a
pretty
good
csv
to
download.
So
I
looked
at
some
of
that
and
kind
of
wanted
to
start
the
conversation,
how
we're
kind
of
looking
at
our
monthly,
spend
and
kind
of
where
we're
spending
our
time,
both
as
it
relates
to
gas
costs
right
to
try
to
make
those
things
efficient.
B
When
we
talk
about
even
moving
to
layer,
two
like
what
is
kind
of
causing
some
of
the
governance
or
where
are
we
spending
most
of
our
time
in
governance
here?
So
this
is
actually
all
proposals.
I
think
since
may
1.
you
can
see.
We've
had
206.
B
This
is
past
proposals,
206
pass
for
proposals
which
is
issued,
270,
000
rep,
and
that's
just
under
a
thousand
heath
that
has
been
issued
there
and
then
just
kind
of
looking
at
each
month
as
a
little
bit
of
a
breakdown
here
so
starting
with
eth
first.
B
So
this
would
be
like
eighth
payouts
from
the
treasury
over
this
time.
So
you
can
see
we're
starting
to
get
some
regularity
right
so
september
and
october,
both
a
little
over
200,
eth
and
then
november,
just
down
under
180
each.
I
think
most
of
this
I
haven't
kind
of
crunched
the
numbers
entirely,
but
I
mean
I
think
we
have
expanded
the
number
of
worker
proposals.
We've
gotten,
I
think
it's
just
the
rising
price
of
eth
obviously
has
kind
of
meant
that
we're
spending
less
eth
on
there.
B
I
do
think
it's
interesting
to
kind
of
compare.
You
know
we're
thinking
about
spending
each.
B
I
think
heath
is
like
the,
I
guess,
the
capital
asset
or
we're
using
to
fund
a
lot
of
things,
and
you
know
we
have
kind
of
three
ways
that
we're
funding
different
types
of
actions
right,
whether
that's
a
worker
proposal
would
consider
a
full-time
contributor,
the
reimbursement-
and
perhaps
this
should
be
like
contractor
two,
because
I'm
putting
some
of
the
like
the
the
audits
in
there-
the
block
rocket
people
in
there
and
then
bounty
right.
B
So
this
would
be
the
get
coin,
one
that
we
have
coming
up
or
other
kind
of
rep
ones
here,
and
I
I
think
that
not
sure
what
the
ideal
breakdown
of
these
three,
but
we
should.
I,
I
think
we
should
kind
of
be
using
more
of
the
bounty,
as
we've
discussed
more
there
and
then
just
keeping
track
of
how
we're
doing
that
and
then
on
the
rep
front.
Again.
B
This
is
just
kind
of
all
taken
from
from
deep
dow
in
terms
of
rep
rewards
over
those
months,
and
I
think
this
is
it's
kind
of
there's
a
lot
of
signal
and
noise
of
this,
because
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
people
submit
their
proposals
in
terms
of
the
beginning
of
the
month,
the
end
of
the
month.
But
we
have
had
a
little
bit
of
a
decline
in
rep
issuance
and
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
is
from.
B
And
then
this
is
just
like
the
number
of
proposals
you
can
see
like
around
30
to
40
that
we're
we're
kind
of
doing
every
every
month
here
so
yeah,
just
kind
of
some.
Some
numbers
that
I
thought
were
interesting
both
related
to
the
gas
cost
right
and
and
the
refunds
around
here,
but
then
also
kind
of
looking
starting
to
look
at
how
we're
like
spending
either
the
treasury
and
where
it's.
Where
it's.
D
A
One
of
the
topics
we've
been
discussing
in
the
working
group
is
like
rewarding
governance
right
and
and
in
some
cases
there's
been
mention
of
like.
If
you
participate
as
a
rep
holder
and
stuff
like
you,
could
in
theory,
have
a
chance
to
earn
like
dxd
or
earn
like.
If
you
also
have
rep,
you
might
get
some
dxt
on
behalf
of
that
rapper,
like
you
know,
how
do
you
incentivize
active
governance
like
in
theory
there?
A
You
could
be
earning
money
doing
that
right,
but
in
this
case
what
we've
seen
so
far
is
we've
been
reimbursing
75
around
for
active
governance,
which
is
a
cost
to
the
person
still
so
the
person
still
says
I'm
willing
to
vote
on
these
things.
You
know
I
want
to
vote
on
lots
of
worker
proposals,
because
I
want
to
show
my
support
of
those
proposals,
even
though
I
know
it's
going
to
cost
me
money,
I'm
going
to
get
some
money
back,
but
it's
also
going
to
cost
a
dow
money
as
well.
A
A
That's
gonna
cost
the
doubt
quite
a
bit
of
money
through
gas,
reimbursements
and
through
ins,
paying
them
right.
So
there's
this
weird
dilemma
like
what
do
we
want?
Do
we
want
lots
of
participation,
or
do
we
just
want
the
participation
to
pass
the
proposal
enough
to
get
it
passed
without
it
not
passing,
but
be
smart
economically
right?
So
there's
that's
like
a
unanswered
debate.
B
Yeah,
let's
put
a
pin
in
the
kind
of
participation
thing,
because
actually
I
think
pope
had
a
post
that
kind
of
addresses
a
little
bit
of
that
that,
because
it's
not
as
clear
like
black
and
white
and
how
we're
measuring
that.
I
do
think
we
can
see
this
gas
reimbursement
right
as
a
way
of
incentivizing
government
governance
right.
We
are
paying
people
eve
to
govern,
but
obviously
that's
kind
of
covering
covering
their
costs
there.
B
But
I
think
it
is
kind
of
notable
that
we
did
kind
of
see
a
a
pretty
big
decline
in
terms
of
the
cost
for
for
the
month
and,
like
you
know,
thinking
about
seven
eth
is
you
know,
that's
a
lot
of
money,
but
that's
kind
of
really
like
the
overhead
to
running
a
company
in
a
lot
of
ways
like
we're
doing
payroll,
we're
doing
all
of
these
kind
of
different
things.
So
I
think
we
want
to
try
to
minimize
that,
but
that's,
I
think,
still
a
worthwhile
expense.
A
B
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
difference
between
governance
and
like
community
building,
and
so
when
I
think
about
like
engaging
rep
holders
and
engage
having
people
engage
in
governance.
I
think
governance
is
like
a
really
great
way
of
like
building
community
separate
from
like
how
exactly
effective
it
is
as
like
a
pure
like
governance,
efficiency.
E
Yeah,
to
also
like
another
point
is,
I
would
argue
that
yeah
the
fact
that
we're
kind
of
incentivizing
people
to
look
at
the
proposals
is
also
some
kind
of
security
feature,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
that
those
rap
holders
actually
look
at
the
proposals
and
kind
of
know
what
they
are
and,
like
the
the
vote
at
the
end,
is
kind
of
like
this
approval
that
they
actually
like
looked
at
it
and
know
what
they're
doing
that's,
it's,
we
actually
also
paying
for
security
here.
B
Point
cool
I'm
going
to
write
this
up
into
an
actual
post.
I
was
actually
just
doing
that
this
morning,
and
so
I
think
last
time
I
posted
the
kind
of
some
of
these
tables
in
there,
but
I'll
put
the
the
tables
and
of
post
and
then
link
to
the
spreadsheet
to
dive
a
little
bit
more
because,
as
like
christopher
kind
of
pointed
out,
the
the
categories
are
not
like.
I'm
still
kind
of
tweaking
the
categories
I
had
reimbursement
at
first
and
then
like
now.
B
It's
kind
of
these
contractors
and
a
lot
of
times
we're
doing
different
things.
But
it's
it's
good
to
kind
of
give
a
high
level
overview,
but
then
allow
kind
of
people
to
dive
in
more
into
the
details.
F
Yeah,
sorry
guys,
I
I
think
part
of
the
the
post
that
we
put
up
yesterday
definitely
could
I
could
address
some
of
the
the
comp
discussion
just
now,
but
my
connectivity
was
really
bad,
so
I
actually
didn't
hear
the
comments,
so
maybe
I'll
just
hold
up
until
chris
mentions
the
proposal
and
I
could
just
go
over
it.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
that
works,
let's
just
go
over.
I
just
want
to
go
over
like
the
current.
What
the
proposals
in
the
queue
right
now
just
like
an
overview,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
talk
about
that
post
there
so
yeah,
just
kind
of
going
over
the
you
know.
Speaking
of
security,
as
drama
was
saying,
I
think
it's
you
know
important
for
us
all
to
kind
of
const
be
aware
of
proposals
in
the
queue,
even
if
they
look
normal,
just
kind
of
be
having
some
vigilance
on
that.
B
So
obviously
one
of
the
proposals
right
now
that
I
think
is
a
somewhat
exciting
one
is
in
is
the
dxd
burn,
so
that
was
kind
of
submitted
last
week
and
it
is
at,
I
believe
so
right
now.
It's
seven
votes,
two
point:
seven,
six
percent,
four
and
eleven
point
six
nine
percent
against,
and
so
this
again
would
burn
500
dxd,
which
is
0.5
percent
of
the
pre-mint,
and
it's
kind
of
a
an
experiment
in
terms
of
like
the
monetary
policy
aspect
of
this.
B
And
then
there
are
several
different
worker
proposals
going
on,
including
my
own.
I
don't
know
if
there's
I
should
get
out
of
this
yeah
and
kind
of
a
whole
bunch
of
ones
going
on
there.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
had
anything
to
say
about
those.
B
And
then
there
is
the
dx
swap
deployment
for
swapper
dap,
the
low-cost
version,
and
just
so
in
case
people
weren't
aware.
So
this
is
the
deployer
contract
for
swapper.
Geek
swap
is
kind
of
what
it's
in
actually
contracts
there
and
there
are
actually
two
proposals
in
there
for
funding
the
deployer
contract.
But
this
one,
I
think,
is
the
one
that
is
actually
boosted
and
that
is
with
a
two-week
expense,
and
so
this
is
again
thinking
about.
B
Like
voter
participation,
I
think
it's
kind
of
cool
to
be
voting
for
the
launch
of
like
deployer
for
swapper,
and
so
that's
kind
of
something.
I
think
that
would
be
cool
to
get
a
lot
of
votes
on
just
to
to
build
some
momentum
on
that.
B
And
then
yeah
there's
still
a
couple
different
ones
on
mesa.eth
updates
and
then
kind
of
some
dx
dow
market
curation
batches-
and
I
don't
know
people
that
are
checking
the
the
proposal
queue
like
oftentimes.
We
kind
of
just
go
straight
to
the
funding
and
voting
power
one,
but
obviously
there
are
other
schemes
on
there
that
that
all
also
have
proposals
and
different
timelines.
There.
B
Cool,
so
that
was
kind
of
it.
I
guess
for
the
proposal
front,
I
think
there's
like
11
that
are
in
there.
So
it
is
a
kind
of
busy
time-
and
I
know
with
some
some
working
proposals
as
like
we
turn
to
the
top
of
the
month.
There's
lots
of
different
ones
in
there.
B
Cool
and
then
pope-
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
start
on
the
post
that
you
had,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
relevant
to
a
lot
of
the
discussion
we've
been
having
here
about
like
participation
and
who's
participating
right.
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
an
interesting
angle
when
we
think
about
rep
holders
and
people
voting
like
who
exactly
are
voting
and
why
are
they
voting
on
different
things?
So.
F
Yeah,
definitely
right
so
just
to
just
to
get
a
sense
of
how
we're
doing
just-
and
I
mean
the
premise
of
this,
of
course,
should
be
discussed.
Regarding
does
voter
engagement.
F
Is
that
really
a
a
good
test
of
how
we're
doing
as
far
as
our
decentralization
and
governance,
but
just
to
think,
as
you
know,
traditionally,
in
democratic
organizations,
some
some
sense
of
assembling
the
voter
engagement
is
important
for
a
decentralized
or
democratic
organization
right,
so
maybe
not
for
all
proposals,
especially
when
we
do
have
a
lot
of
more
technical
proposals
that
should
be
getting
lower
votes.
F
We
do
still
as
far
as
considering
how
many
rep
holders
we
do
have
right
now,
at
least
for
november
15th
to
october
18th,
we
had
essentially
17
rep
holders
participate
in
voting,
which
you
know,
that's
not
bad,
especially
considering
how
many
people
communicate
on
the
dow.
But
it's
definitely
not,
I
mean,
obviously,
if
we
had
quorums
or
something
like
that,
we
wouldn't
be
reaching
any
type
of
real
quorum.
Obviously
we
could
like
talk
about
that,
but
one
to
six
votes.
The
most
you
know
the
mode,
I
guess
of
the
votes.
F
The
most
votes
received
for
a
proposal
is
either
three
or
one:
that's
not
awesome
as
far
as
a
representative
community
sample.
F
Maybe
that
is,
though,
just
because
gas
prices
are
really
high
and
the
way
to
focus
on
getting
more
of
a
better
general
sense
of
community
support
is
to
work
on
more
formalized,
signaling
and
dow
talk
through
some
sort
of
polling
mechanism,
maybe
something
that
doesn't
cost
people
money,
but
we
can
get
more
of
a
feel
for
more
of
an
informal
off
chain
vote,
and
then
you
know
when
something
does
go
on
chain
like,
like
it's
been
mentioned
by
elon
and
skye.
F
That
would
be
something
where
you
know
a
proposal,
especially
when
it's
really
unanimous.
As
far
as
community
consensus
only
gets
one
vote,
and
you
know
you
even
have
kind
of
this
backup
proof
where
you
see
that
obviously
the
community
supported
it
based
on
the
poll.
But
the
thing
that
was
I
found
interesting
was
aside
from
low
engagement
rates,
was
just
the
breakdown
in
who's
participating
voting,
as
as
chris
mentioned,
so
based
on
our
current
rep
distribution
system.
Workers
are
accruing
rep
at
a
higher
rate,
because
they're
participating
and
based
on
their
merit.
F
They
are
gaining
rep,
which
is
great
and
that's
definitely
a
good
premise
that
we
should
lead
by,
but
what's
happening
is
the
other
rep
holders
because
they
have
no
incentive
to
regularly
participate
because
they
aren't,
you
know,
being
paid
to
work
here,
aren't
participating
in
voting
on
a
regular
basis,
maybe
as
a
hobby.
Maybe
they
have
some
sort
of
business
affiliation
or
relationship
to
the
to
the
dow.
But
the
question
is:
how
do
we
get
these
other
stakeholders
that
aren't
just
employees
participating?
F
Because
you
know
they
have
their
own
perspective?
That
may
be
necessary
to
kind
of
balance
our
own
personal
biases
that
we
don't
even
realize
that
we
have
in
decision
making.
So
that
could
be
something
that
could
be
considered.
Maybe
a
financial
incentive
could
be
something
we
could
do.
Definitely
not
something
that
I
think
we'd
have
to
balance
that
out
with
the
dow
and
what
can
be
like
reasonably
affordable
for
the
treasury.
F
I
don't
think
you
know
making
an
open
call
to
have
any
rep
holder
participate.
You
know
an
important
vote
would
necessarily
be
the
right
way,
but
maybe
even
you
know
an
option
that
vests
over
a
three-month
period,
one-time
investing
where
hey.
If
you
vote
this
this
month
or
within
this
three-month
period,
you're
going
to
get
some
dxd
and
people
are
like.
Oh
okay,
like
at
least
I'll
start
taking
some
interest
and
try
to
vote
on.
F
So
that
was
some
of
the
the
post
goes
into
more
detail.
I
made
some
spreadsheets
that
I
can
link
at
some
point
if
people
care
to
really
like
what
the
exact
breakdown
was.
The
basic
basic
framework
is,
of
course,
workers
have
more
voting
power
at
this
point,
which,
of
course,
if
you
don't
have
enough
voting
power,
you're,
probably
just
not
going
to
participate,
because
you
really
feel,
like
your
vote,
doesn't
count
so
between
not
having
financial
incentive
and
not
feeling
like
your
vote's,
going
to
count.
You
know.
F
F
There
could
be
some
some
methods
we
could
use
to
like
agree
upon
what
should
be
in
in
a
post
as
far
as
a
proposal
for
alchemy.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
clear
make
sure
everyone
puts
links
to
everything.
That's
going
on
in
dow
talk
anything
referenced.
That
would
make
it
easier
for
people
to
make
an
informed
decision
and
a
vote.
B
Yeah,
I
think,
like
the
idea
of
like,
of
course,
not
every
proposal
is
the
same.
So
how
do
you
like?
How
do
we
almost
differ,
differentiate
between
proposals,
so
some
people
kind
of
pay
attention
to
some
and
some
to
others
and
and
that
so
there's
actually
some
good
discussion
in
the
chats?
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
questions
they
wanna
or
kick
off
the
discussion
from
there.
H
Well,
I
can
speak
for
myself,
like
I
think
sometimes
like
for
proposals.
It's
risky
to
vote
off
the
bet
you
know
right
because
you
can
lose
a
gen
or
like
you
can
like.
I
want
to
vote
for
for
bram
and
it
turns
out,
like
I
dodged
the
bullet
right
there
and
like
it's
more
secure
to
vote
like
when
it's
up
there
like
when
everyone
in
greece
and
that's
bad,
like
it's
herd
mentality,
but
there
are
consequences.
If
voter
doesn't
pass,
you
know
you
lose
rep,
you
will
jump.
I
Just
to
clarify
that
that
is
only
true
if
you
vote
before
a
proposal
is
boosted.
So
if,
if
you're
voting
after
a
proposal,
gets
boosted,
you're
not
going
to
lose
anything
other
than
your
gas.
I
I
Pending
is
a
cosmetic
like
it's
it's
still
in
the
regular
queue
it's
just.
It's
like
pending,
being
able
to
be
boosted,
but
it's
effectively
still
in
the
regular
queue.
So
it's
not
boosted,
which
means
pending
boost,
gets
punished.
Yes,
exactly
only
boosted,
you
avoid
that.
F
Sorry,
that's
just
like
a
really
interesting
thing,
because
to
me
that's
just
like
a
a
simple
communication
issue
that
we
can
fix
and
just
making
sure
that
we
put-
maybe
maybe
they
are
somewhere
and
everyone's
not
aware.
You
know
what
are
the
exact
rules
with
how
your
vote
plays
out
like.
What's
the
protocol
basically
spelled
out
in
simple
english
for
people
just
to
quickly
link
to
that
maybe
could
help
people
figure
that
one
out
quicker
the.
G
I
That's
also
just
also
full
disclosure
on
this,
like.
I
think
we
should
remove
that
from
the
protocol,
because
it's
a
very
small
amount
of
rep
and
I
don't
think
it's
really
making
a
difference
other
than
kind
of
scaring
people
and
and
being
confusing
so
now,
actually
changing
that
in
the
dx
tao
might
be.
You
know
that
would
be
kind
of
a
big
thing
for
you
guys
to
do,
but
if,
if
we
were
considering
that,
that's
probably
what
I
would
argue
for
I'd
be
interested
to
hear.
If
anybody
wants
to
specifically
keep
that
future.
I
H
E
Yeah,
like
in
general,
what
pulp
is
basically
like
their.
She
said
like
several
things
here.
What
I
want
to
address
is
that
there
is
like
we
are
currently.
I
would
consider
in
it
like
a
danger
zone
in
terms
of
developer,
getting
control
of
all
of
it,
and
I
think
the
zombie
rep
is
kind
of
protecting.
Hopefully
it's
if
the
developers
are
actually
taking
over.
E
So
we
have
like
a
a
period
of
time
where
we
can,
where
we
can
like
make
sure
that
the
developers
are
not
getting
control
and
the
time
is
limited
and
we
can
like
how
we
do
it
is.
We
are
giving
out
control
and
it's
important
that
we
give
it.
We
give
rep
out
not
only
to
death
but
to
other
stakeholders
in
the
system,
which
is,
I
guess,
like
the
first
step,
is
dxd
holders.
F
Right
and
interesting
rep,
I
think
you
know
eventually.
I
think
the
guild
could
be
an
interesting
way
to
get.
You
know.
Customers
involved,
of
course,
but
yeah
dxd
and
then
any
any
sleepy,
rep
holders
that
are,
you
know,
really
interested
in
participating,
but
I
mean
obviously
some
sort
of
incentive,
but
somehow
move
them
up
with.
You
know
gaining
more
rep
in
an
easy
way,
and
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
that-
maybe
with
the
less
outgoing
individuals
during
our
governance.
I
I
Yeah,
it
is
pretty
interesting,
so
so
source
credit
is
a
is
a
sort
of
like
pagerank
style
algorithm
that
produces
a
set
of
scores
for
things
like
forum
posts
like
you,
you
could,
you
could
produce
a
set
of
scores
that
rank
how
much
people
have
contributed
to
dow
talk.
I
For
example,
based
on
you
know
how
often
their
posts
are
applied
to
by
other
people,
and
things
like
that
and
then
and
and
maker
is
using
this
to
basically
try
to
measure
the
most
valuable
participants
to
their
governance
and
then
just
like
pay
them
basically
on
on
a
regular
basis.
According
to
that,
I'm
not
saying
we
should
do
source
credit
or
whatever,
but
but
the
idea
of
somehow
trying
to
create
a
criteria
for
like
contributing
work
to
the
governance
process.
I
A
Yeah
the
the
good
thing
about
that
is
getting
rep
in
the
hands
of
people
that
want
to
participate
and
want
to
vote.
This
is
the
issue
is
like
there's
all
these
kind
of
dead
rep
holders,
even
if
you
incentivize
them,
maybe
financially,
they
might
start
voting.
But
if,
if
you're,
if
you
don't
want
to
vote,
there's
no
there's
no
reason
to
start
voting
like
on
these
type
of
proposals.
Unless
it's
gonna
affect
you
or
something
right.
I
Yeah,
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
strength
of
the
of
the
source,
cred
style
measurement
of
it,
because
it's
a
very
it's.
It's
not
a
very
linear
measurement
like
basically
it's
really
hard
to
fake
all
of
that
participation
and
make
yourself
look
like
you're,
a
big
important
participant
to
get
the
reward.
I
So
I
think
it
is
doing
a
pretty
good
job
of
identifying
people
that
have
that
interest,
so
you're
rewarding
people
for
like
actually
showing
like
if
you're
someone
right
now
who's.
One
of
these
ghost
people
who
like
has
a
small
amount
of
rep
not
participating
at
all.
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
might
get
you
just
to
say
like
oh,
so,
if
I
just
start
participating
in
conversations
more,
then
I'll
start
getting
rewarded
more
and
I
can
kind
of
get
into
that
positive
feedback
loop.
I
A
I
I
think
it
could
pull
in
and
activate
some
important
people.
However,
a
lot
if
you
the
the
numbers
that
source
source
cred,
will
show
for
giving
out
rep
to
active
people
like
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
end
up
pointing
to
the
already
active
workers
and
active
contributors,
and
then
it
kind
of
almost
doubles
down
on
the
some
of
the
workers
that
already
have
rep
right
rather
than
like
new
people.
Yeah.
I
Yeah-
and
I
do
think
that's
the
weakness
of
even
though
source
grid
is
like
a
fairly
sophisticated
algorithm.
I
think
that's
the
weakness
of
of
using
you
know
what
is
ultimately
a
pretty
stale
algorithm
and
I
would
advocate
if
we
were
going
to
do
something
like
this
to
instead
of
doing
a
complex
programmatic
thing,
just
come
up
with
a
set
of
criteria,
that's
designed
to
try
to
accomplish
our
goals
like.
E
Yeah,
like
we
can
just
like
give
two
percent
of
the
normal
source
credit
rewards
to
like
full-time
employees
like
the
goal
is
not
to
give
more
rep
to
full-time
people
right.
I
E
And
like,
besides,
like
the
social
communication
element,
I
mean
we
could
also
think
about
doing
something
similar
with
key
base,
because
key
base
is
like
the
main
gate
to
the
collective
like
if
we
actually
like.
If
there
are
rep
holders
who
don't
vote
because
they
don't
want
to
spend
money,
I
think
x
died
the
the
x
day
base
once
this
like
economy
like
once,
there
is
money
involved
like
there's,
no
reason
for
them
to
not
participate
anymore
right,
because
transaction
doesn't
cost
anything.
E
If
we
make
sure
that
the
access
is
like
super
easy
like
they,
I
think
the
dowstick
people
are
already
like
working
on
merging
like
this
interface
into
that
the
user
just
picks
the
networks
and
they're
like
switching
the
interface
and
see
different
proposals.
I
think
that
should
be
enough
right
to
give
everyone
access
to
both
governance
systems.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
you
know-
governance
is
not
just
like
passing
proposals
right.
It's
this
discussion,
it's
things
in
key
base.
It's
like
that
whole.
You
know.
Brainstorming
decision
making
process
and
so,
like
part
of
engaging
these
people,
is
not
so
much
that
they
will
just
vote
on
proposals,
but
it's
they
will
contribute
to
like
the
rest
of
the
process
and
we'll
kind
of
get
a
more
cohesive
and,
like
broader,
based
perspective,
on
all
of
these
different
things.
B
Outside
of
just
like
how
it's
affecting
like
the
final
vote,
I
think,
in
terms
of
like
yeah
like
addressing
this,
I
think
the
source
card,
one
is
just
a
it's
a
really
interesting
idea
that
we
need
to
kind
of
explore,
and
I
think
we
were
talking
about
this
yesterday-
someone
mentioned
it
still
a
little
fresh
and
it
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think
that
it's
rep,
rather
than
necessarily
like
a
financial
compensation,
as
actually
makers
doing.
B
B
Maybe
we
don't
want
to
boost
it
right
because
it's
not
about
us
getting
like
the
quickest
proposal
passed
it's
about
kind
of
that
engagement,
so
I'm
hoping
that,
like
pulp,
can
kind
of
work
on
that
and
I
kind
of
talked
with
pulp
about
a
couple
different
things
in
this
area
to
maybe
like
work
on
our
like
governance,
engagement
and
that
so
I
don't
know
if
pope
that
you've
mentioned
that
you
get
interested
in
maybe
submitting
a
worker
proposal
in
this
area.
B
So,
like
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
speak
to
that
before
as
you're
kind
of
thinking
of
of
what
that
of
what
you
could
be
doing
to
help.
F
Yeah
definitely
thank
you,
chris,
so
after
just
talking
with
chris
and
john
just
about
some
of
the
needs
going
on
regarding
governance
and
just
seeing
that
there
was
a
governance
liaison
position
kind
of
generally
open,
I'm
just
for
basic
background.
I
know
I
use
this.
We
use
a
pseudonym,
but
I'm
like
a
licensed
attorney
attorney
based
in
the
united
states.
F
My
background
is
in
business
and
white
collar
litigation,
mainly
so,
and
have
done
some
corporate
formation
as
well.
So
this
is
all
very
interesting
to
me.
F
Red
butter,
so
what
I
was
hoping
to
kind
of
bring
to
the
table
was
just
to
put
some
things
to
paper
as
far
as
what
the
community
wants
regarding
kind
of
more
formalized
needs,
so
things
that
come
up,
maybe
regarding
formation
of
proposals,
would
be
one
thing
doing
more
research
on
the
general,
just
all
the
information
right
now
for,
since
you
know,
dxdow's
been
voting
on
what
trends
we're
seeing
and
doing
kind
of
a
month
in
review
regarding
those
trends,
but
then
also
keeping
more
of
a
database
going
on.
F
I
know
we
all
post,
really
great
articles
in
the
governance
chat,
as
well
as
other
areas
regarding
just
different
topics
that
we're
interested
in
maybe
trying
out.
It
would
be
nice
to
kind
of
do
some
analysis
on
how
those
would
play
out
for
now.
I
think
just
what
works
best
for
the
community,
of
course
like.
F
What's
the
best
way
to
be
decentralized,
keep
our
rep
keep
our
values,
but,
more
specifically,
regarding
voter
engagement,
some
things
that
john
and
I'm
sorry
about
john
chris
and
I
talked
about,
I
think,
were
just
halloween
proposals,
but
we
need
to
include
a
proposal
to
do
a
proposal.
You
know
what
to
put
in
it,
and
aside
from
that,
I
think
it
would
be.
The
same
thing
goes
for
fast
tracking
the
proposal
lane
and
maybe
even
working
with,
like
the
communications
with
kenan.
F
Regarding
how
can
we
decide
when
a
proposal
can
move
quicker
and
maybe
go
through
our
different
teams
to
kind
of
like
get
proposals
passed
quicker
when
it
comes
to
like
some
of
these
topics
that
might
be
drowning
out
the
overall
interface
for
alchemy
and
what
proposals
that
teams,
basically
think,
could
be
maybe
more
agreed
upon
amongst
themselves
and
kind
of
the
groovy
past
and
alchemy
things
like
that.
J
Wouldn't
be
ideal
to
to
work
on
something
to
fix
all
these,
how
can
we
say
a
agility
of
proportions
that
we
need
on
on
the
technical
level
instead
of
paying
someone
to.
F
So
I
I
it's
up
to
everybody,
that's
why
I'm
chris
and
I
talked
about
it,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
best
example
of
this
that
can
be
a
lesson
learned
on
the
balance
between
traditional
legal
principles
and
using
those
to
support
what
can
be
done
with
smart
contracts
and
knowing
the
limitation
of
protocols
is
really
important
here.
I
think
the
the
original
dow
and
what
happened
with
you
know,
east
classic,
is
a
great
example
of
how
it's
also
important
to
have
things
in
the
protocol,
but
have
them
easily
accessible
to
the
community.
F
E
Yeah
like,
like
even
the
full-time
people,
don't
know
what
will
happen.
So
I
also
like
I
reach
out
to
people
and
like
ask:
what
do
you
think
about
that?
What
is
your
gut
feeling
just
for
like
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
up
similar
to
like
milan?
I
think
there's
like
a
learning
process,
but
the
main
issue-
and
I
think
piper
already
mentioned
that,
like
we
don't
even
know
exactly
how
this
system
works,
because
it's
like
it's
not
easily
understandable
and
I
in
general.
E
I
think
we
know
that
we
are
just
busy
and
I
think
we
need
someone
who
is
doing
that
and
that's
like
just
the
first
step
to
like
specif
specify
how
how
everything
works
in
simple
work
and
similar
words,
and
I
think
we
could
actually
leverage
all
of
this
work
to
build
like
a
proper
dashboard
for
this
right,
like
worker
worker
proposals.
How?
How
should
they
look
like
like
there
needs
to
be
a
scheme,
and
we
could
use
that
scheme
definition
to
actually
create
dashboards
and
interfaces
to
make
it
even
more
simple
to
make
governance.
J
J
I
agree
with
the
with
all
of
you
of
what
we
mentioned
here,
that
we
need
guidelines
and
something
that
we
can
follow
up
where
we
know
that
these
conditions
are
going
to
are
going
to
to
be
met,
naturally
right,
because
if
all
of
us
follow
the
same
guidelines
and
instruction
of
how
to
create
a
proposal,
what
content
should
I
do?
Should
I
add
there?
What
is
important
the
proportion
and
what
is
not
proof
of
work
yeah,
something
that
we
talked
something
we
took
before.
J
If
it
is
a
working
proposal,
you
should
the
proof
of
work
on
or
what
you
have
done.
If
it
is
a
signal
proposal,
you
should
explain
why,
while
you
are
signaling
or
do
you
think
that
we
don't
have
it
right
anywhere
and
I
think
it
will
be
awesome
to
have
them,
but
not
more
than
that,
just
all
the
resources
to
make
sure
that
all
these
things
will
happen.
Naturally,.
F
Yeah
exactly
I
don't,
that
was
just
kind
of
an
example.
I
think
part
of
this
would
be
an
internal
check
and
just
to
have
one
person
concentrated
on
this
and
then
you
know
as
we
grow.
You
just
have
so
many
different
perspectives
from
a
legal
standpoint
of
what
people,
for
example,
I
think
during
our
last
governance.
F
This
is
more
of
an
expansive
thing.
Think
about
you
know,
there's
all
these
issues
that
come
up
with
everything
from
employment
to
securities
laws,
to
basic
governance,
and
how
do
we
create
a
decentralized
system
that
sometimes
you
need
a
point
of
reference
for
and
what
I'm
proposing
is
more
just
starting
out
putting
something
to
paper
that
at
least
isn't
ambiguous.
F
G
G
We
have
opportunities
to
improve
the
product,
but
I
think
it's
not
simply
a
technical
task
if
we
were
to
have
developers
just
tackle
these
problems,
they'd
be
flying
blind
without
some
kind
of
analysis
and,
like
you
know,
deeper,
look
at
how
things
are
are
operating
and
who's
involved,
and
I
think
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
your
proposal
is
going
to
be,
but
I
mean
if
it
continues
the
kind
of
analysis
that
you
have
in
this
post.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
super
valuable
to
process
and
product
going
forward.
B
And
just
I
guess
the
elephant
in
the
room,
so
we've
been
dealing
with
student
on
pseudonymity
for
a
bit,
so
I
don't
know
how
people
kind
of
feel
I
mean
you
know.
B
Part
of
the
proof
of
work
in
this
case
was
like
pulse
been
around
for
a
bit,
has
kind
of
influenced
a
couple,
different
things
and
then,
like
even
the
post
itself,
but,
like
you
know,
is
there
something
we
want
to
think
about
in
terms-
and
maybe
this
is
like
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
better
document
is
like
how
can
a
student
down
to
this
person
kind
of
interact
with
dick
stout,
but
any
kind
of
thoughts
from
from
the
community.
I
Here
I
think
that
one
of
the
really
nice
things
about
pseudoanonymity
is
that
you
can
still
like
augusto,
mentions.
Like
proof
of
work,
you
can
totally
have
proof
of
work
attached
to
a
pseudonym.
You
know,
and
what
to
me
what's
important
is
is
the
reputation
that
the
community
attaches
to
that
identity,
not
whether
the
name
used
for
that
identity
is
like
the
name
you
use
in
another
setting
or
whatever.
I
So
I
think
the
idea
of
building
up
your
your
reputation,
both
in
the
dao
but
also
just
in
the
community,
is
the
important
part
of
the
idea
and
not,
and
not
whether
or
not
you're,
using
your
real
name
for
the
most.
I
G
A
I
have
a
one
view
on
this
and
I,
and
and
we've
actually
experienced
it
in
dx
dao
and
I've
experienced
it
in
other
dials
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
okay
to
have.
You
know
suit
anonymous
or
anonymous
participants
in,
in
most
cases,
that
I've
seen
from
experience
and
and
it's
up
to
the
person.
A
I
mean
it's
it's
kind
of
on
the
person,
but
they
are
actually
held
to
a
higher
standard
than
like
a
a
known
person,
and
that
is
because,
if
they
do
something
negative
or
if
they
don't
perform
or
if
something
happens,
they
have
this
option
to
like
disappear
and
reappear
as
another
person
right
and
so
a
normal
person
a
known
person.
If
they
do
something
malicious,
okay,
yeah
we
can
slash
their
rep
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
their
reputation
as
a
person
in
the
industry
is
also
hurt.
A
So
it's
okay
to
have
pseudo
anonymous
people,
but
they,
I
think
that
it's
important
for
them
to
understand
that
they
that
the
community
will
probably
hold
them
to
a
higher
standard
and
that's
fine-
and
maybe
that's
okay.
But
that
has
happened
in
the
past
and
I
think
that
will
continue
to
be
the
case.
A
A
You
know
part-time
developers,
whether
they're
in
china
or
wherever
they
are
and
they're
like,
crushing
github
tasks
and
issues
and
then
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
month.
A
G
I
also
think
like
in
terms
of
like
being
an
on-chain
autonomous
organization
like
supporting
pseudonymity
is
really
important
and
powerful.
Right,
like
I
think
that
gives
us
like,
will
allow
more
resilience
if
people
are
known,
it's
easy
to
target
them
and
you
know
come
like
go
after
them
if
people
are
pseudonymous
and
exist
only
on
chain
that,
like,
I
think,
reinforces
the
idea
that
the
dow
is
like
really
does
exist
on
chain
like
digitally
not
in
a
physical
jurisdiction
tied
to
some
location
right
like
so,
I
think
it's
actually
even
an
existential
thing.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
our
pope
had
mentioned
that
in
her
in
the
post
that
was
written
up
like
you
really
don't
want
the
collective
to
just
be
like
this
known
set
of
full-time
workers
that,
like
anyone,
could
any
government
or
whatever
could
come
out
there.
You
wanted
to
be
this
on-chain
collective
of
active
300
participants
and
for
like
the
legal
for
like
the
legal
reasons,
and
so
that's
an
important
point
of
like,
even
if
that
costed
down
money.
A
F
Right,
I
think,
just
to
click
that
it's
a
very
hairy
issue,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
different
products
and
each
product
financial
product
has
a
different
set
of
analyses
and
different
types
of
laws
that
can
be
applied.
So
I'm
that
would
be
something
I
you
know
if
that
was
something
people
were
interested
in.
I
could
write
something
up
like
just
a
basic
breakdown
of
our
various
products,
because
omen
has
different
issues
versus
dxd
versus
versus
rep.
F
As
far
as
all
that's
concerned,
and
then
yes,
as
far
as
who's
in
charge,
is,
is
very
important
regarding,
yes,
just
protecting
people
and
that
that
is
important
for
and
and
for
the
the
basis
of
what
we're
doing
as
a
dow
and
and
creating
you
know,
dabs.
K
Just
just
to
add
something,
but
the
thing
is
that
we
have
very
different
use
restriction
worldwide
and
if
you
can
do
it,
maybe
for
the
u.s.
But
you
can.
We
would
have
to
do
it
for,
like
everyone
wears
a
membrane
and
because
it's
endless
in
a
way
yeah.
B
K
F
Yeah
yeah,
I
completely
agree
that
would
be
something.
I've
also
have
experience
in
is
comparative
and
international
law,
but
I
am
a
licensed
attorney
and
practiced
more
more
so
in
federal
law,
but
I
would
feel
comfortable
looking
into
that.
If
that
was
something
that
people
were
interested
in,
but
until
that's
like
something
people
really
care
about,
we
can
just
stick
to
more
the
research
side
of
things
and
go
from
there,
but
yeah
it
isn't
it's
good
to
keep
things
as
decentralized
as
possible
for
governance
purposes,.
B
B
Cool
so
we'll
be
on
the
lookout
for
kind
of
a
work
proposal
or
kind
of
nary
on
that,
and
you
know
reply
to
the
the
thread
with
kind
of
some
of
these
thoughts
about
voter
participation,
because
I
think
we're
hitting
it's
something
there.
We
don't
have
that
much
time.
B
I
just
like
the
the
only
two
other
things
I
wanted
to
do
was
just
maybe
if
there
was
an
update
on
xdi,
dx
or
xdx
dow,
because
I
know
that
that
kind
of
relaunched-
and
there
was
like
a
proposal-
the
competition
scheme
proposal,
I
think,
is
ongoing.
G
G
And
to
kind
of
address
that
specifically
and
give
a
forum
for
that,
so
I
think
maybe
we
could
suggest
the
time
or
kind
of
like
get
that
in
the
book
for
next
week.
B
Yeah
and
there's
actually
two
things
to
take
that,
because
I
also
I
saw
that
elon
is
wants
to
kind
of
see
if
we
can
schedule
a
move
around
the
governance
discussion.
So
we
didn't
have
time
to
talk
about
that
then,
but
that's
something
I
think
we
need
to
think
about,
maybe
for
the
new
year
and
like
how
we're
scheduling
things
over
the
couple
weeks.
But
then,
specifically,
I
think
this
is
gusto
has
been
talking
about
kind
of
like
a
worker
coordination
meeting.
B
I
don't
kind
of
know
the
best
thing,
but
just
so
we're
kind
of
aware
of
the
different
tasks,
and
it's
probably
something:
that's
not
this
like
weekly
cadence,
but
more
on,
like
the
monthly
bi-monthly
or
two
times
a
month
or
something
cadence.
So
I
think
we
should
try
to
schedule
one
soon-ish
like
in
the
next
like
week.
I
don't
know
what
was
the
was
there
any
day
or
time
preference.
I
can't.
J
Yeah,
I
think,
yeah
something
that
we
decided
on.
J
I
mean
not,
we
decided,
but
if
we
set
the
calls,
we
can
add
the
number
on
on
the
calendar.
I
I
guess
the
best
I
the
best
thing
will
be
to
submit
a
signal
proposal,
maybe
reach
some
consensus
internally
on
the
on
the
workers.
Side
submit
a
signal
proposal
with
the
with
the
dates,
because
it's
only
24
goals.
J
It's
two
calls
per
month,
so
we
can
have
a
list
of
which
day
we
consider
are
the
best
ones
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
end,
at
the
end
of
the
month,
to
have
the
the
work
organizational
calls
or
it
can
be
done
every
two
weeks
on
a
I
know,
thursday
wednesday.
J
I
guess
something
something
along
those
lines,
because
wednesday
and
thursday
are
the
days
that
we
are
active,
the
most
with
the
governance
and
with
a
weekly
call.
So
we
have
to
be
there.
J
B
B
Cool
and
then
I
think
the
lovely
recording
person
is
going
to
cut
me
off
in
a
minute
here,
but
it
didn't
get.
There
is
a
update
on
that
governance.
2.0.
We
had
a
really
great
long
chat
yesterday
and
we
actually
recorded
it
so
there's
some
kind
of
notes
there.
In
the
I
mean,
so
the
videos
are
in
the
forum
so
go
ahead
and
check
that
out
and
let
me
or
anyone
else
know
kind
of
any
questions
or
comments
on
that.
H
B
I
did
on
the
competition
scheme
and
you
were
kind
of
doing
that.
So
that's
like
the
first
one
to
kick
off
the
ability
to-
or
this
is
like
the
first
omen
squad,
competitions.
A
Game
the
competition
so
it'll
be
the
first
competition
that
the
ex
dao
is
is
running.
It's
the
source,
good
omen
markets,
so
anyone,
interestingly
daniel,
had
proposed
a
proposal
on
mainnet
around
omen
market
around
dots.
I
I
didn't
get
to
talk
to
him
about
it,
but
he
it
seemed
like
he
was
asking
for
the
money
to
his
own
to
himself
and
then
he
was
going
to
put
it
into
the
market.
Maybe
like
that's
the
way
the
proposal
was
laid
out,
so
we
let,
I
think,
geronimo.
A
Let
him
know
about
the
competition
that's
happening,
but
yeah.
So
my
I
had
a
concern
that
you
know
not.
Many
people
are
looking
at
x,
dx
dow,
so
I
I
spread
that
proposal
around
a
few
of
the
key
base
chats
and
there
and
a
bunch
of
people
voted
on
it,
so
that
that
competition
proposal
will
pass
and
then
once
that
passes
in
a
day
or
two
that
starts
the
actual
competition
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
see
how
this
competition
works
so
we're
going
to
want
to.
A
As
if
that
passes,
we
want
to
spread
that
out
on
omen.
Key
base
omen
telegram,
maybe
even
tweet
it
out
that
anyone
can
submit
an
omen
market
into
this
competition,
a
potential
only
market
there's
some
rewards
that
we
can
mention,
which
is
the
reward,
is
to
earn
rep
on
x,
dx
dao,
which
then
people.
If
you
have
rep,
then
you
can
start
voting
on
this
participation,
so
it
could
create
a
snowball.
It
would
be
the
idea.
A
B
Yeah
and
obviously
because
gas
costs
are,
you
know
a
different
thing
like
that's
one
where,
like
anyone,
would
give
a
small
amount
of
rep
as
possible,
can
kind
of
engage
with
that,
and
that
is
really
about
engagement.
So
even
yeah,
like
I
mean
we
don't
post
that
many
I
mean
we
should
be
posting
like
proposals
in
the
telegram
and
elsewhere,
but
like
that,
would
definitely
be
one
to
just
kind
of
get
anyone
to
vote
on.
A
Oh
and-
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
moving
some
funds,
hopefully
soon
from
the
dx
dial,
dev
multisig,
2,
xdx
dial,
so
hopefully
very
soon.
Today,
xdxdow
will
actually
have
some
money,
we'll
have
about
10
000
x
die
in
the
dow
and
so
people.
Maybe
people
want
to
start
doing
some
proposals
around
a
bounty
or
or
something
like
that
on
xdxdow,
but
hopefully
we
could
get
some
more
activity
and
you
know
usually
this
activity
is
going
to
start
from
the
core.
A
You
know
active
participants
of
the
dx
dial,
but
it's
it's
going
to
take
some
effort
to
to
get
the
xdi
version
of
xd
style.
This
other
bass,
which
is
a
at
this
point.
It's
just
a
tool
that
that
dx
dow
has
right.
It's
not
it's
not
the
voice
of
dx
dow.
It's
nothing!
It's
just
a
a
tool,
a
cheap
fun,
fast
tool
that
has
some
funding
in
it.