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From YouTube: Device Pilots Meeting - May
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Device Pilot Meeting
May 25th 2021
Monthly meetings that are open for new e-NABLE community members who have limb differences and have interest in piloting a device. Visit our community space for those who pilot open source prosthetic devices here:
https://hub.e-nable.org/s/panel-of-pilots/
We explore how different devices work to perform daily needs, improvements to designs, inspiration, and ways members are contributing their insights to community efforts.
A
All
right,
so
this
is
the
the
may
edition
of
the
device
pilot
meeting
and
more
or
less
it's
just
an
informal
discussion
to
chat
about
projects
that
people
are
working
on
looking
at.
Maybe
some
of
the
devices
that
are
being
explored
could
be
an
opportunity,
patrick
to
share
some
of
the
stuff
that
you've
been
working
on
to
get
some
feedback
and
I'm
curious
to
hear
nick,
which,
which
device
you're
going
to
start
with.
Did
you
mention
the
last
meeting?
Is
it
the
kinetic
or.
B
B
So
I
was
just
looking
through
the
recommended
devices
and
I
think
it
looks
like
one
of
the
most
popular
is
the
the
phoenix
v3
I
was
gonna
start
getting.
It.
A
Very
cool
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
printing
and
having
some
you
know,
different
challenges
and
questions
in
the
hub,
maybe
I'll
add
in
the
chat,
there's
a
way
that
you
can
filter
all
the
hub
posts.
So
it's
just
questions
related
to
specific
devices,
but
sometimes
it's
it's
a
really
great
way
to
get
some
feedback.
A
Mike
jumped
in
and
out
patrick,
how
are
your
design
projects
coming?
I
know
that
he
had
shared
some
drawings
about
a
different
way
of
stringing,
the
finger
and.
C
C
So
if
you
made
it
dense
where
natural
bone
would
be
by
putting
more
material
in
that
area
and
then
last
material
around
the
giants,
and
it
should
bend
in
a
way
that
you
wanted
to
bend,
and
I
thought
it
would
cut
down
on
assembly
and
some
issues
that
might
arise
from
assembly
if
everything
could
be
printed
as
one
piece,
it's
just
tricky
to
try
and
find
the
the
right
formation
of
it,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
challenge
really.
A
Maybe
this
is
a
good
segue
for
for
mike.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
and
maybe
share
a
little
bit
about
the
project
that
you've
been
working
on
these
last
couple
of
weeks.
D
Sure
yeah
mike
larson
here
in
austin,
texas,
I
got
my
hand
built
for
me
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
or
so
it's
a
phoenix
and
I've
been
working
a
lot
with
it
and
making
a
lot
of
modifications
and
just
continually
changing
it,
and
so
I
got
into
this
group
now
that's
kind
of
a
looking
at
a
redesign
or
just
kind
of
coming
up
with
a
new
design
and
with
bob
rieger
and
john
shaw
and
a
few
other
people
and
that's
been
a
lot
of
fun.
D
We've
actually
alexander.
I
don't
know
if
he's
relatively
new
but
he's
a
cad
designer
I've
been
working
with
him
a
little
bit
a
great
guy,
and
you
know
that
goes.
We
started,
you
know
doing
a
zoom
shot.
We
ended
up
six
hours
later.
Trying
to
you
know,
call
it
a
day
but
yeah.
It
was
interesting.
You're
just
talking
about
the
flexible
hinges,
patrick.
C
D
C
D
Just
got
a
a
kinetic
hand
that
bob
built
me
and
I've
been
looking
a
lot
looking
at
it.
A
lot
I
haven't
had
a
long,
but
I
was
looking
at
last
night
and
I
put
a
long
list
together
of
things.
I
think
that
would
really
help
and
make
a
lot
more
functional,
functional.
One
of
the
things
I
didn't
like
about
the
flexible
style
hinges.
Is
they
that.
E
D
And
not
a
lot
of
friction
like
a
hinge,
but
as
far
as
extensors
they
don't
work.
So
what
I
was
going
to
do,
I
was
going
to
do
this
on
another
hand,
too,
is
put
some
shock
cord
in
through
here
and
attach
it
you
know
to
the
hand
and
then
into
the
finger,
so
the
shock
cord
will
give
it
a
real
nice
positive
return,
and
I
think
that
would
eliminate
the
one
issue.
Is
that
floppiness?
D
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
trying
that
have
you
guys
had
a
had
one
of
these
kinetic
hands
or
tried
one.
D
B
Interesting
yeah,
I
was
actually
just
gonna
mention
because
I
I
remember
the
design
has
those
flexible
hinges.
It's
interesting,
though,
like
not
not
having
one
in
person.
I
I
hadn't
anticipated
that
the
sort
of
jitter
that
you're
getting
so
that's
yeah,
yeah.
E
D
Been
using
most
well,
this
is
probably
not
a
good
example,
because
this
has
got
the
the
o-rings
or
I
don't
use
the
dental
bands.
But
you
know
so
that's
a
nice
positive.
D
You
know
movement,
they
don't
jiggle
around
like
that
too
much
did
a
influence.
I'm
experimenting
with
this
is
a
k1
and
it's
got.
I
would
set
it
up.
It's
got
the
bungee
cords
that
run
from
the
finger.
You
know
through
the
hand,
but
this
is
originally
set
up
this
way,
but
they've
been
using
this
kind
of
craft
elastic,
and
this
is
a
eighth
inch
shock
cord.
So
it's
a
lot
tougher.
It
works
a
lot
better,
so
not
a
great
way
to
put
it
down,
but
it
really,
you
know,
functions
nicely.
D
E
C
That
I
actually
I
printed
the
the
that
device
as
well,
but
I
I
find
it
tricky
to
put
it
together.
It
goes
quickly
to
get
the
hinges
in.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
does
find
that
that
issue,
and
then
I
I
was
thinking
that
maybe
if
it
was
just
if
it
was
possible
to
print
it
all
as
one
piece
just
as
one
singular
piece
and
then
it
would
just
be
able
to
abandon
in
the
way
that
you
wanted
it
that
might
be
stronger
and
easier
to
to
assemble.
I
guess.
D
C
Yeah
I've
I
gave
up,
I
was
just
making
it
just
last
night
I
gave
up,
I
couldn't
get
the
fingers
on.
It
was
tricky.
I
think
I
made
it
a
bit
too
small
or
something
I
need
to
clean
it
out
a
bit
more
or
something,
but
yeah.
C
I've
heard
that
it's
really
difficult
to
get
to
get
the
fingers
on
that
one
I
thought,
but,
but
maybe
there's
there
could
be
some
adjustments
that
could
be
made
in
card
that
you
could
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
to
slide
on
as
well
might
be
an
easy
did.
C
No,
I
didn't
try
anything
like
that.
I
was
just
using
the
needle
needle
nose
pliers
to
pull
pieces
over
well.
D
C
B
C
Well,
it
wouldn't
have
to
be,
I
think,
if
you
had
a
flexible
tpu,
something
that
was
really
flexible.
If
I
had
a
lot
of
material
where
it
needed
to
be
danced,
then
it
wouldn't,
like
even
flexible
tp
doesn't
actually
flex
when
there's
a
lot
of
material.
B
Interesting,
so
so
you're,
so
you
would
print
the
whole
hand
out
of
the
tpu.
C
Yeah,
it
was
a
thought:
it's
I've
seen
some
designs
where
people
have
made
toys
where
the
the
limbs
can
move
and
they
don't
move
where
they
just
did.
I
think
disney
have
a
program
where
they,
actually
it
was
the
they
they
have,
I'm
not
sure
the
name
of
it,
but
it's
like
a
college
that
they,
they
fund
projects
that
work
on
different
things.
C
That'll
help
them
do
their
animation
some
way,
but
one
of
them
was
to
do
with
making
hinges,
move
on
on
a
body
and
someone
applied
that
to
a
3d,
printable
kind
of
toy
and
they
were
able
to
make
the
hinges
move
where
the
diff
other
parts
were
quite
strong
and
it
even
had
it
was
like
a
animal
with
a
shell
on
the
back
and
the
shell
was
really
tough.
B
A
I
see
if
I
can
find
that
article
that
he's
talking
about
yeah
that
sounds
super.
B
A
It
does-
and
I
know
patrick
had
shared
this
in
the
past,
so
it's
almost
like
the
bill.
C
I'm
just
not
quite
sure
how
to
do
it.
Yeah
it's
kind
of
tricky,
definitely
worth
looking
at.
That's
what
I'm
patrick.
A
You
you
cut
out,
we
missed
a
bunch
of
what
you
were
saying.
A
A
You're
talking
about
the
disney
project,
you
were
talking
about
being
able
to
have
a
shell
that
was
sort
of
had
some
density
to
it,
and
it
sounds
like
it's
just
using
like
the
infill,
like
you're
able
to
change
the
properties
of
the
material
by
sort
of
how
how
dense
the
print
is
filling.
That's.
C
Exactly
it
yeah
most
most
of
the
density
is
done
by
the
info
yeah
exactly
and
hire
the
infills
put
in
as
well
and
different
things
like
that,
but
yeah.
I
think
it
also
has
a
benefit
if
you're
using
a
flexible
material.
I
think
people
tend
to
find
flex
a
little
bit
more
comfortable.
I
don't
know
mike,
would
you
prefer
to
use
like
a
flexible
material
on
the
skin.
D
You
know
that's
been
kind
of
an
evolution.
What
I
I've
come
to
that
works
for
me
and
because
I,
like
the
the
real
strength
and
lack
of
you,
know,
transfer
of
power
from
your
hand
and,
through
the
you
know
your
hand
in
through
the
the
printed
hand,
you
know
if
anything's
loose
or
you
know
you
lose
just
a
little
bit
of
that
motion
that
should
be
going
into
the
moving
the
hands
or
the
fingers
into
the
loss
of
it
from
something
else.
That's
kind
of
soft
and
that.
D
Tried
to
keep
in
mind
keeping
it
really
rigid
in
mind,
which
I
haven't
tried
any
of
that
flexible
stuff,
but
for
example,
this
I
don't
have
it
open.
Obviously,
but
the
the
tensioner
in
this
is
some
bands
of
the
same
flexible
material,
and
it's
designed,
I
think,
to
give
it
a
little
like
a
shock
absorber
almost,
but
you
lose
some
strength
in
it
too.
So
I've
been
I've,
never
tried
the
fully
tpu
hand,
but
every
little
every
little
bit
that
flexes
it
loses
power
in
the
hand.
D
For
example,
in
my
phoenix
I've
got,
I've
got
a
actually
a
tensioner
that
we're
working
on
in
our
little
design
group,
but
it's
120
pound
line.
It
goes
through,
there's
no
elasticity
anywhere
and
it's
it's
extremely
strong,
and
so
that's
because
we've
talked
about
cuffs
made
of
flexible
material
and
all
that
I
haven't
tried
it.
D
But
it's
to
me,
I
think
everything
needs
to
be
really
rigid
and
as
far
as
comfort,
I
guess
I
was
getting
around
to
it's
a
little
more
complicated
for
makers,
but
it
if
the
cuff
is
you
know,
formed
nice
enough
to
the
forearm
and
you've
got
the
right
kind
of
padding
and
I
use
I've
been
using
this
kind
of
a
craft
material.
D
It's
soft,
it
doesn't
hold
water,
but
it's
enough
to
provide
some
padding
and
then
you
know,
custom
fit
the
inside
of
the
palm
on
the
not
this
one
but
the
phoenix
and
that
all
makes
it
comfortable.
But
you
still
have
the
rigidity
like
this.
One
is
a
has
a
soft
palm.
You
can
see.
You
lose
a
lot
of
power
there.
So
on
my
phoenix
I
put
some
real
rigid
material
and
you
you
know
it's
it's
a
very
positive
emotion.
D
It
doesn't
lose
any
any
flex
in
there
so
anyway,
but.
E
A
So
it
sounds
like
it's
responsive
if
it's
rigid,
it's
more
responsive
and
maybe
you
feel
like
there's
more
precision
that
you
can
get
out
of.
D
Exactly
in
fact,
that's
always
so
if
you
get
the
fingers
that
come
together
just
right,
you
know
you
can
pick
up.
You
know
some
pretty
small
small
things
and
again
here
you're
keeping
that
precision,
because
you
know
you're,
not
it's
not
being
lost
in
something
flexing
somewhere
so
anyway.
So
I'm
just
starting
to
try
this.
You
know
play
with
some
of
these
flexible
type
of
joints
and
I'm
finding
it
kind
of
interesting,
we'll
see.
C
D
D
E
D
Yeah
it
can
be
operated,
but
you
know
when
you,
when
you
grab
something
you
still
have
movement,
because
your
hand
is
pushing
through
the
as
you
can
get
it
to
here,
but
then
you're
you're
losing
that
power,
because
you've
got
the
flex
in
the
hand
you
can
see
where
that
right
it
gives
so
yeah.
So
if
you
grab
something
tight,
you
can't
get
it
any
tighter
than
you
know
than
that,
because
you
lose
the
power
here
as
the
palm
stretches.
D
D
D
D
D
E
So
how
is
the
the
breathability
within
the
cavity.
D
D
E
D
A
Before
I
forget,
I
did
want
to
mention
in
the
chat
I
added
a
link
to
a
research
project
that
dara
broadbent
is
working
on
in
the
uk.
He's
creating
a
testing
rig
for
the
kinetic
can
looking
at
different,
flexible
materials
might
be
something
worth
checking
out.
He's
got
a
presentation
linked
into
there,
and
I
know
that's
not
so
far
for
patrick
you
know,
reaching
out
to
him
could
be
interesting
to
find
out
what
materials
he's
testing
and
what
rig
he
designs.
A
B
A
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
I've
seen
one
I
know,
map
hotel
is
the
designer
and
he's
talked
about
having
some
versions
of
it.
One
of
them
was
so
you
could
take
a
finger
out.
So
let's
say
you
had
somebody
that
was
missing
a
few
fingers
to
be
able
to
have
the
kinetic
hand
where
you
could
just
basically
choose
the
fingers
to
have
as
part
of
the
device
and
remove
the
other
ones.
D
Would
that
be-
and
I
haven't
done
anything
with
the
elbow
the
elbow
connection
he
operated
there,
but
can
that
be
applied
to
any
hand
I
mean
really?
It
just
needs
to
transfer
to
any
hand
the
same
way
right.
B
Yeah,
this
is
something
that
I
was
thinking
as
well,
because
I
mean
it,
it
seems
that
there
is
in
the
device.
Catalog
there
are
are
definitely
more
wrist
actuated
than
elbow
actuated
hands.
B
I
think
there
right
now
is
only
one
recommended
action,
actuated
design-
and
I
was
thinking
yeah,
it's
sort
of
just
kind
of
like
almost
like
a
universal
shim
like
if
you
are
just
changing
this
force
into
this
force
like
you,
could
just
build
one
thing,
and
maybe
just
like
have
some
like
attachment
at
the
end
that
could
like
fit
into
any
any
other
hand
that
you're
you're
figuring
out.
That's
that's
something
I'm
very
interested
in
just
because
I
mean
like
selfishly
for
me.
B
I
use
elbow
actuated
devices
so
like
I,
if
I,
if
I
want
to
test
out
some
of
these,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
a
better
way
to
get
into
it
right
now.
The
only
one
I
can
test
that's
recommended
would
be
like
the
unlimited
arm
to
2.1.
I
think
so,
I'm
that's
something.
I'm
thinking
about
as
well.
D
Works
for
me,
but
I've
been
trying
to
think
more
and
more
about
how
the
how
it
would
be
applied.
You
know
more
more
generally
for
sure
you
said
something
one
of
the
things
that
we're
considering
as
we're
working
on
this
you
know:
brainstorming,
on
a
new
hand,
is
more
of
a
modular
kind
of
a
setup
where
fingers
can
be
swapped
out,
maybe
cuffs
and
hand.
You
know
you
could
have
all
kinds
of
things
you
could
have.
D
You
know
robotic
looking
fingers,
you
could
have
you
know
whatever
and
and
mix
and
match
colors,
and
all
that
so
we're
kind
of
trying
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're
as
we're
working
on
this
next,
one,
which
I
think
would
be
neat,
be
fun
for
kids
for
sure,
but.
E
Well,
the
reason
the
reason
I
was
asking
that
is,
that
ben
and
I
and
jeremy
talked
about
the
kinetic
hand
for
me
for
my
second
device,
because
the
the
first
one
the
flexi
hand
really
never
worked
for
me.
E
D
E
The
the
thumb
was
sticking
out
of
the
device
and
the
the
knuckle
was
pressing
and
there's
not
much
not
much
palm
to
do
the
operation
of
the
of
the
hand
and
I'm
thinking.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
problem
with
the
connecticum
too
ben,
I'm
not
sure,
because
unless
I
can
pack
it
well
the
cavity
well,
so
that
the
whole
hand-
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
to
solve
the
problem.
I
did
think
about
casting
filling
the
cavity
with
some
of
that
plastic
that
you
I'm
an
artist.
E
So
if
you
can
cast
faces
with
a
kind
of
urethane,
not
urethane,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
product,
but
you
get
realistic
forms
with
it
and
just
putting
the
hand
in
there
and
casting
it
so
that
it
would
actually
conform
to
the
residual
hand
and
operate
it
with
the
residual
hand.
Having
more
strength.
D
E
D
One
of
the
things
I
have
I
haven't
tried
it
been
thinking
about
it
for
a
while,
but
some
of
that
expandable
foam.
You
could,
you
know,
maybe
line
the
hand,
and
you
know
your
own
hand
line
the
cuff
and
then
you
know
put
in
some
expandable
foam
and
let
that
set-
and
I
mean
it'd-
be
pretty
simple.
I
haven't
tried
it,
but
maybe
give
that
a
try.
E
Well,
you
hate
to
ruin
one
of
your
hands
that
you've
printed,
but
you
could
line
it
with
a
plastic
bag
or
something.
E
Yes,
I
actually
cut
the
palm
off
and
the
flexi
hand
I
cut
it
off
and
then
tried
to
use.
I
think
there
was
a
design
somewhere
in
the
literature
for
attaching
velcro
to
the
the
back
of
the
hand,
so
that
you
could,
you
know,
have
the
hand
be
held
in
place
with
the
velcro
and
that
seemed
to
work
well
to
some
extent
too,
but
it's
it
was
very
uncomfortable
and
by
that
time
I
was
getting
just
fed
up.
D
Well
that
reason
I
asked
if
it
was
removable
because
on
my
phoenix
you
know
that
there's
two
versions,
one
with
the
integral
palm
but
the
printed
one
is
nice
because
you
can,
you
can
take
it
off
and
you
can
add
padding
here
and
there
I
mean.
B
D
D
E
D
E
D
I
put
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
pad
I
have
in
here
might
be
that
original
medical
pad.
Then
I
covered
it
with
this,
which
is
actually
used
for
pistol
grip.
You
know
it's
a
nice
textured,
not
tacky,
but
almost
almost
and
so
put
some
padding
under
there
so
that
it's
it's
saw,
wrap
the
same
around
inside
with
padding
under
that.
So
you
know
for
me
again.
I
can
grip
a
little
bit
with
my
with
my
hand,
so
I
want
something
I
can
you
know,
grip
against
in
there.
D
E
D
C
I
actually
seen
I
noticed
your
case
on
web
central
and
I
was
just
curious:
do
you
have,
can
you
bend
your
thumb
or
do
you
have
difficulty
with
your.
C
E
So
my
my
hand
stops
at
that
joint.
So
it's
just
the
distal
end
of
my
that's
missing,
but
the
fellow
who
did
the
the
first
hand
for
me
cast
has
to
thumb
for
me,
so
it
can
go
right
on.
I
think
I
showed
that
to
ben
and
jeremy
yeah
and-
and
you
know
that
makes
the
thumb
more
user.
E
E
Well,
I've
only
tried
one
hand,
but
it
the
fellow
who
printed
it
for
me
printed
it
without
the
thumb.
So
there's
an
opening
there.
D
Well,
I
I
talked
to
jeremy
and
we
did
a
a
little
blog
with
some
people
from
another
chapter
and
after
that
I
thought,
and
especially
with
what
we're
working
on
now
it'd
be
nice
to
get.
You
know
more
feedback
from
other
people
because,
like
I
said
nick,
you
know
I'm
pretty
selfish.
All
I'm
thinking
about
is
myself
and
how
it
fits
me,
but
as
we're
getting
into
this,
what
what
things
have
you?
D
You
all
found
that
like
or
dislike,
or
would
like
to
see
changed
or
you
know
whatever
any
thoughts
on
that.
C
So
it's
that's
a
big
challenge
and
I'd
like
to
kind
of
address
that,
if,
if
I
could
like
try
and
help.
C
Look
into
ways
that
you
could
make
something
that's
easily
customizable
like,
so
that
it
can
suit
any
device
like
like
with
what
nick
was
saying
earlier.
If
you
had
like
a
certain
design
for
each
person
and
then
whatever
else
like
like,
if
you
were
missing
a
whole
hand,
the
hand
was
designed
on
the
hand,
would
fit
on,
and
it
was
just
the
the
part
that's
next
to
the
skin.
It
was
costing.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
good
idea
or
I
don't
know
it's
interesting.
C
There's
there's
a
lot
of
more
complicated
issues
as
well
like
someone
who
has
certain
fingers
who
the
devices
that
the
devices
wouldn't
fit
on
to.
E
E
And
I
forget
what
these:
what
are
these
pieces
of
hardware
called
that
I
found
at
the
hardware
store
you
drill,
a
hole
you
pop
it
in.
E
Anyway,
that
was
pretty
easy
to
do,
but-
and
I
cut
the
the
palm
out
with
one
of
those
battery
operated
wires
that
gets
hot.
It's
one
of
those
tools
that
artists
use-
and
I
was
an
art
teacher
for
years
and
I
used
it
in
my
classroom
for
little
projects
and
then
this
is
the
thumb
that
was
cast
for
me.
E
So
if
you
look
at
this,
this
thing
is
such
a
pain,
but
I
guess
I
should
put
it
on
so
it's
not
flying
in
the
wind.
E
E
This
broke
this
whole
thing
broke.
At
one
point,
I
had
to
find
somebody
to
print
another
one,
the
tensioners,
I
don't
know
it's
just
very
dif.
I
can't
operate
it
anymore
because
it's,
I
think
the
tension
is
off,
but
if
you
can
see
inside
the
hand
the
only
thing
that
is
actually
actuating
things
is
this.
E
D
D
As
no
well
my
hand
is,
you
know,
I've
got,
you
know
some
pretty
good.
I
can't
grab
a
bike
in
the
air
yeah.
E
D
D
B
D
As
part
of
our
design,
which
I'm
calling
a
clam
shell,
we're
gonna
design
a
little
bit,
but
I
took
some
of
that
hard
material
that
I
used
in
the
palm
and
I
just
made
it
to
clip
into
the
strap
holes,
but
it
it
snug
against
the
wrist.
It
doesn't
have
the
bottom
of
your
forearm
and
it
doesn't
have
those
pressure
points
of
straps.
I
mean
you
can
still
put
a
strap
on
it
to
hold
it
in
place,
but
it's
it
distributes
the
force
a
little
bit
nicer
along
the.
D
D
D
Not
really,
I
mean
mine's
pretty
secure,
but
I
just
first
of
all
and.
D
What
I've
been
working
on
is
aesthetics
too,
so
you
know
just
to
make
it
look
more
sleek
and
smooth
and
well
like
you
can
see
the
tensioner
on
mine.
I
I've
got
a
different
design
that
we're,
including
but
there's
no
box,
it's
and,
in
fact
the
one
we're
working
on
this
is
all
going
to
be
inside.
So
it's
just
going
to
be
smooth.
E
Well,
it
looks,
sort
of
it
looks
like
the
the,
not
the
flexi,
the
what's
the
new
one.
D
E
D
The
design
we're
working
on
is
actually
the
tensioner
box
is
going
to
be
accessed
from
inside
the
cup.
D
The
bottom
side
and
there's
a
couple
designs
that
are
very,
very
almost
flat,
and
so
they
would
fit
in
there
nicely
and
then
you
have
nothing
on
top
nothing
to
catch.
You
know
again,
the
aesthetics,
I
think,
are
kind
of
neat
without.
A
It
is
really
well.
The
customization
is
really
important.
It
looks
like
like
for
judy
to
be
able
to
use
a
kinetic
end.
It
probably
is
going
to
involve
taking
the
thumb
off,
so
you
can
use
your
your
thumb.
What
what
devices
have
you
guys
used,
and
I
pause
this
for
the
background
noise
and
what
kind
of
customizations
do
you
find
are
needed.
D
Well,
I
primarily
use
the
phoenix
that's
what
I've
done.
All
my
all
my
design,
modifications,
but
compared
to
the
other
ones
I
found
the
phoenix
the
pocket,
in
the
phoenix
hand,
is,
is
a
pretty
good
size.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
probably
a
little
bit
better
to
accommodate
different
sized
hands.
I've
got
a
I've
got
this
sort
of
taken
apart.
D
This
is
a
k-1
and
the
pocket
is
really
small,
so
that
barely
works
for
me-
and
I
know
part
of
it-
is
trying
to
print
these
again
back
back
to
the
aesthetics
so
they're
more
in
line
with
my
my
normal
hand,
my
good
hand,
because
otherwise
you
know,
if
you
try
to
print
them,
so
they
fit
really.
D
A
Right
and
like
judy
was
saying
it
sounds
like
it's,
it
is
like
a
shoe.
I
mean
it's.
If
you
have
a
shoe,
that's
too
small,
you
know
it
pretty
quick.
E
B
B
Yeah
exactly
right:
no,
I'm
I'm
just
getting
started,
so
I
haven't
printed
any
yet,
but
hopefully
being
able
to
get
it
soon.
Yeah.
The
only
ones
that
I
worked
with
are
like
yeah,
the
fancy
custom
built
ones
that
obviously
like
fit
super.
Well,
because
I
had
a
team
of
two
people
fitting
it
to
me
so,
like.
E
B
I,
when
I
was
a
little
kid
I
mean
obviously
like
you
know,
my
parents
didn't
really
know
what
to
do.
They
like
brought
me
to
a
place,
and
I
had
one
of
those
early
myo
prosthetics,
my
myo
back
in
the
day
was
like
not
nearly
as
good
as
it
is
now,
and
I
I
don't
know
little
little
toddler
aged
me
just
hated
using
it,
so
I
ended
up
just
never
using
it
from
when
I
was
like
three
up
until
I
was
like.
B
B
So
the
one
the
the
body
part
ones
that
I've
used
have
always
been
shoulder
powered,
I'm
actually
interested
to
see
how
the
elbow
actuated
stuff
works,
because
I
imagine
there
may
be-
I
mean
it
seems
like
maybe
it's
a
bit
of
an
inconvenience
like
having
to
sort
of
like
change,
because
the
elbow
like
so
massively
changes
the
positioning
of
your
hand
like
having
to
move
it
while
you're
opening-
and
closing
I
mean
obviously
I
haven't-
I
haven't-
tried
it
yet,
but
it
seems
like
it
may
be
sort
of
difficult
to
be
a
little
more
precise.
B
B
A
A
It
came
out
a
long
time
ago.
Yeah
and
just
I
mean
unbelievable
precision,
and
it
was
this
system
that
he
he
developed
and
only
made
a
few
of
these
devices.
Like
custom-made,
there
was
leather
components,
it
was
a
gold
hand
I'll
see
if
I
can
find
it
and
put
it
in
the
chipboard.
A
Yeah,
unbelievable,
I
mean
when
I
first
saw
it.
I
thought
this
is.
This
has
got
to
be
a
hoax,
but
no
it's
it's
just
really
precisely
made,
and
I
think
it
involved
some
mechanical
elements
that
that
came
together
on
the
inside
in
the
post.
There
was
a
sort
of
a
diagram
that
showed
how
it
worked,
but
but
that
was
shoulder
activated.
A
Cool
and
patrick,
the
designs
that
you've
been
working
on
are
are
more
sort
of
new
ways
of
stringing
the
fingers.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
customizations
that
you've
worked
on
and
what
devices
you've
tried.
C
Yeah,
so
for
me
it's
just
my
finger.
I
need
something
so
I
started
like
with
the
nick
finger
tried
a
few.
This
is
one
that
I
have.
I
don't
know
if
it's
strapped
in,
but
it
it
works
quite
well
for
banding,
but
it's
just
not
as
strong
as
I
would
have
liked,
and
it
didn't
really
give
that
much
grip,
and
then
I
I
was
trying
out
different
designs
as
well,
so
I
I
tried
this
one
was
a
little
more
lifelike.
C
This
is
a
design
that
I
done
myself.
It's
like
a
prototype.
Actually
I
tried
to
put
the
I
put
a
nail
in
the
top
of
it.
B
C
That
might
be
popular,
but
this
is
some
I'm
almost
finished
with
this.
I
hope
to
share
it
so
so.
C
It's
3d
printed
on
the
pressure.
C
Thank
you
it's.
I
did
have
it
more
complex
than
this.
It
was
I
I
actually
made
a
copy
of
my
my
right
finger.
It
was
a
complete
copy
of
it,
but
it
was
just
far
too
small
and
complex,
so
I
had
to
simplify
it
and
it
took
quite
a
lot
of
work
to
get
it
to
a
point
where
it
could
be
printed
on
on
the
prusia.
C
It
was
just
too
complicated.
Maybe
if
you
had
like
a
really
high-end
printer,
but
that
would
just
be
really
expensive
and
it
wouldn't
actually
be
that
strong
either.
You
would
have
to
make
it
out
of
something
really
strong,
because
it
was
really
thin
bits
in
it,
but
this
one
I
managed
to
get
printed.
It's.
C
And
I
actually
I
had,
I
was
doing
it
with
one
wire,
but
then
I
swapped
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
see,
there's
there's
two.
C
The
wire
goes
down
and
loops
around
the
top,
so
the
the
nail
actually
slides
out
and
slide
out
the
nail
and
that's
the
access
for
the
the
elastic
material
to
tie
that
and
also
the
the
wire
comes
down
one
end
loops
and
then
goes
back
down.
C
The
reason
it's
it's
I
find
it
better
to
loop
is
because
when
I
was
testing
it
when
you,
when
I
was
moving
side
to
side
the
amount
of
the
length
of
the
of
each
side,
the
length
of
the
wire
would
have
changed
slightly,
which
meant
that
the
grip
strength
changed.
C
Because
if,
if
I
moved
sideways,
the
length
from
the
top
to
the
bottom
would
move
away
from
my
knuckle,
so
it
was
here,
whereas
if
there
was
two,
it
always
got
the
mean,
which
was
like
the
middle
part.
It
was
always
the
middle
part.
C
It's
so
the
wire
goes
in
this
end
and
goes
up
the
top
and
then
back
down
on
this
side.
Where
is
it.
C
The
idea
was
just
to
fasten
it
onto
a
back
plate.
I
haven't
actually
made
that
yet,
but
back
some
kind
of
bracelet
or
something
or.
E
C
Yeah
you
could,
you
could
fasten
it
to
just
a
wristband,
but
I
think,
as
you
were
saying
before,
it
might
be
better
to
have
more
strength
in
behind
it.
So
maybe
just
have
like
a
full
glove
that
was
just
caught
out
where
you,
where
you
didn't,
need
it,
and
then
it
would
give
more
strength
because
it
wouldn't
really
matter
if
it
went
the
whole
way
back
beyond
the
wrist.
C
As
long
as
it
was
given
that
strength-
and
I
guess
it
would
be
nice
if
this
design
as
well
could
be
adaptable
so
that
it
could
fit
on
to
other
devices.
So
if
someone
had
like
needed
a
full
hand
or
a
full
arm,
it
could
be
something
that
would
attach
onto
it.
So
that
was
one
that
I
was
testing
and
then
beyond
that
I
was,
I
was
trying
out
different
methods
of
trying
to
instead
of
having
the
actual
hinge,
which
is
like
a
standard
hinge.
C
I
thought
maybe
just
as
I
was
saying
before
with
one
material
might
be
different
ways
that
you
could
get
it
to
bend
the
way
you
wanted
to
know
it
might
be
nice,
so
I'm
still
still
trying
out
different
ideas
and
testing
and
learning.
I
guess.
D
For
sure
I
was
going
to
show
you
you
know,
there's
the
sizing
well.
C
E
D
We're
going
to
make
another
one
that
size
down
a
little
bit,
so
is
my
phoenix
and
again
that's
a
function
of
the
size
of
your
palm,
because
you
have
everything's
kind
of
driven
off
of
that
as
far
as
size
goes,
but
I
think
we
made
a
mistake
with
this
lady
that
built
me
this
one,
because
that's
the
that
is
the
size.
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
giant,
and
so
we
use
that
we
base
it
out
the
of
the
sizing
of
the
phoenix
I
have,
but
it
didn't
translate
at
all.
E
A
You
know
nick
you
mentioned
weightlifting
for
the
rest
of
you
guys.
Do
you
notice?
Are
there
certain
tasks
or
adapters
that
you
use,
or
even
just
you
know,
some
strategy
that
you've
come
up
with
for
a
specific
task?
So
I
know
judy
you
mentioned.
Gardening
was
something
that
you're
really
active
in,
but
you're
looking
at.
Maybe
something
for
kayaking.
E
Yeah,
I've
got
something
for
across
the
ski
pole
and
note
it.
It
works
okay,
but
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
that
great.
It's
something
I
bought
commercially.
E
If
you
like
to
see
it
I'll,
go
get
that,
but
it's
more
like
a
it
hooks
on
to
a
gripper
that
goes
around
the
ski
pole
and
it
sort
of
slips
into
that
and
it's
a
modification
for
it's
almost
like
a
glove
you
put
on
and
your
hand
just
goes
in
there
and
you
tighten
it
up
with
velcro
and
it's
it's
almost
well,
it's
functional.
E
So
I've
got
you
know,
hole
on
each
side.
So
if
I'm
I'm
tipping
over
one
way,
it
gives
me
balance,
but
it's
not
real
good
strength,
wise
for
pushing
off
when
I'm
cross-country
skiing,
it's
okay,
it's
better
than
what
I
had
before,
which
was
nothing.
D
I
had
to
laugh
because
when
I
was
in
high
school
I
made
almost
the
same
kind
of
thing.
You
know
they
have
the
molded
guards
and
I
just
put
a
piece
of
velcro
across
that
I
could
crank
it
down.
Like
you
said.
E
D
A
Patrick,
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
nick's
chat.
What
what
did
you
use
to
create
your
model
of
the
finger?
Was
it
a
laser
scan
or.
C
I
I
took
photographs
from
every
angle
and
then
photogrammetry.
I
think
it's
called
where
you
get
all
the
the
images
together
to
create
a
scan:
yep,
nice,
nice
and
nice.
It's
not
it's
actually
easy
enough.
It's
not
that
tricky
to
do,
provided
that
you
stay
still.
I
think
some
people
like
to
make
a
mold
first
and
then
scan
the
mold
and
it's
just
it's
cleaner,
but
if
you
can
manage
to
stay
really
still
for
long
enough
for
someone
to
take
the
photos,
you
can
work
with
it.
C
You
can
like
clean
it
up
afterwards
in
something
like
mesh
mixer,
so
you
can
just
like
smooth
that
I,
if
there's
any
for
sure.
B
Yeah
I've
been
thought
I
think,
about
using
photogrammetry
and
mesh
mixer
just
to
make
like
some
really
like
snug
fitting,
like
just
sockets
for
the
arm.
When
I,
when
I
worked
at
a
prosthetics
lab
for
legs,
that's
basically
what
we
would
do
to
fit
them,
so
I'm
just
thinking
trying
to
think
about
a
good
way.
It
sounds
like
that's
what
you're
using,
but
just
for
a
different
purpose
for
the
finger
yeah
you
can.
You
can
get
some
pretty
accurate
models,
especially
you
know,
with
the
with
just
high
resolution.
C
Yeah
lighting's
really
important.
I
I
find
that
recap.
Autodesk
recap
was
the
best
because
it's
the
best
free
version
that
I
could
find.
I
know
there
are
better
versions,
but
it
was
just
really
simple
and
easy
and
free
so
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
you've
tried
that
one
yeah.
B
Yeah
yeah,
it's
nice,
I
guys
I
I
gotta
drop
for
another
meeting,
but
thank
you
so
much.
It's
been
super
awesome
to
see
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
added
in
the
chat,
make
sure
you
check
out
that
that
hand
from
the
french
designer
it's
it's
cool
stuff
and
I
guess
it
just
opened
the
public
domain.
So.
E
I
had
one
one
question
for
you
when
you:
this
is
about
your
finger
that
you
cast
well,
it
looks
like
you
cast
the
strings.
Come
down
over
your
knuckle,
you,
you
actually
have
not
tried
it
out
with
a
wristband,
so
you
don't
know
if
those
strings
are
going
to
bother
your
knuckle.
If
they're
going
to
be
tight
against
your
knuckle
or
not,
have
any.
D
E
Whether
they
will
be
or
does,
does
the
plastic
go
down
far
enough
to
act
as
a
shield
for
your
own
skin.
C
It's
it's
a
good
question.
I
have
actually
tried
this
out.
I've
I've
had
it
fitted
on
with
with
a
wristband
one
that
I've
made,
but
then
for
doing
tests
and
then
I've
taken
it
off
again.
This
is
only
really
like
a
prototype.
E
C
I
don't
I
wouldn't
use
it
every
day,
so
I
don't
wear
the
wristband,
but
if
you
can
see
it
it
does
come
down
a
little
bit
on
either
side.
C
E
And
I
would
think
that
might
well,
I'm
just
curious
if
it's
gonna,
when
you
try
it
out,
just
just
find
out
I'd
like
to
know
whether
it
does
cut
into
your
skin
at
all,
because
that
would
be
uncomfortable,
but
maybe
bringing
the
plastic
down
to
act
as
a
shield
might
alleviate
that
problem.
C
Yeah,
no,
you
you're
you're,
definitely
right!
That
brings
me
back
to
what
I
was
saying
before
about
bringing
it
on
down.
So
if
it
was
like
a
glove
that
would
protect
the
whole
the
whole
hand
right
and
maybe
just
cut
out
the
parts
like
for
me,
I
could
leave
the
thumb
on
expo
or
exposed
sorry
and
then
only
have
material
on
the
back
of
the
hand.
C
D
Okay,
so
you
don't
need
to
change
the
cord
anywhere
that
we're
you're,
really
just
holding
the
finger
out.
The
cord
wouldn't
be
extended
to
anything.
Oh.
E
D
C
I,
when
I
then
my
finger
the
grips
it's
a
little
bit,
there's
a
bit
too
much
friction,
but
that
was
sort
of
why
I'd
moved
to
trying
to
get
rid
of
the
hinge
because
it
was
even
when
I
filed
it
down.
There
was
a
lot
of
friction
in
there.
C
It
would
stick
sometimes-
and
I
thought
if
this
was
going
to
be
one-
that
a
device
that
other
people
would
be
printing.
I
didn't
want
there
to
be
issues
with
friction,
so
that
was
sort
of
my
my
thought
process
and
what
I
thought
about
then.
D
Hey
john:
here's
not
about
something
that
really
holds
the
finger
on
tighter,
but
it
would
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
functionality,
because
that's
already
it's
already
there
with
the
attachment
of
the
of
the
tendon
in
your
in
this
piece
of
the
finger.
C
Yeah,
like
there's,
there's
different
areas
to
focus
on,
I
think,
but
the
mechanics
of
the
devices
that
that
are
there
at
the
moment,
like
the
wire,
I
think,
really
works.
There's
there's
not
that
much
adjustment
other
than
what
I
did
with
the
loop,
but
really
the
the
wire
works.
But
I
think
there
could
be
some
adjustment
to
make
with
how
it
actually
attaches
on
and
make
it
really
skin
tight
and
really
comfortable
and
really,
as
you
were
saying,
to
make
it
durable
to
make
it
strong.
D
C
E
E
D
F
Right
in
africa
and
india,
they
actually
care
more
about
it
being
not
noticeable
than
about
it
actually
doing
anything.
A
And
it
does
do
something
just
by
making
it
not
noticeable
like
the
chapter
in
pakistan.
They
were
talking
about
how
the
highest
priority
for
a
lot
of
the
folks
is.
They
want
to
continue
to
be
involved
with
you
know,
going
to
sort
of
traditional
social
events.
A
Weddings
and
you
know
different
holidays,
so
just
having
something
that
that
helps
them
blend
in
is
really
the
the
highest
priority
and
the
enable
hands
just
weren't
close
enough
for
what
they
were
looking
for
initially
until
it
was
sort
of
adapted
by
the
chapter
and
they're
doing
something
now,
with
sort
of
a
a
silicone
glove
over
a
mechanical
hand.
So
it
does
have
some
functionality,
but
it's
really
much
more
important
for
them
to
have
sort
of
the
silicone
glove
on
the
outside.
D
Actually,
I've
used
a
it's
kind
of
a
mechanics
glove
where
it's
got
some.
You
know
rubberized
kind
of
a
texture,
but
it's
kind
of
not
mesh,
but
it's
nylon
on
the
back
very
thin.
You
know
for
doing
you
know
mechanics
and
I
put
that
over
the
hand,
and
it
we
talked
about
before
about
the
grip
surface
here
with
the
with
the
glove
it
you
know,
provides
grip
anywhere.
So,
if
you're
grabbing
a
having
say
a
cell
phone
grabbing
it
in
the
crotch
of
the
fingers
here,
but
it
slides.
D
D
I
didn't
know
it,
but
the
the
glove
itself
helped
you
know
kind
of
so
it
does
get
some
give
some
protection
to
it,
but
if
for
real
use
and
and
functionality
yeah
the
glove
on
there
works
really
well,
in
fact,
I've
got
I've
done
some
videos.
I
have
a
youtube
channel
and
I've
got
one
with
you
know
showing
that
that
with
the
glove
and
how
that
worked-
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
seen
that
but
I'll
put
my
it's
prosthetic
hand
test
lab-
is
my
youtube
channel
in
it.
A
To
the
chat
that'd
be
great,
I
can
add
it
in
well.
There'll
be
an
archive
of
this
meeting
and
I
can
add
the
link
in
there
I'll
do
that.
E
D
And
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
keeping
in
mind-
and
you
know
as
we're
brainstorming
on
this
new
design
is
something
that's
more
modular,
so
you
could
have
a
you
know:
a
dress
set
of
fingers
or
a
party
set
of
fingers
or
whatever
you
know,
you've
been
trying
to
set
up,
so
they
could
be
swapped
out
fairly
easily.
But.
E
D
B
A
C
If
it's
really
sorry-
but
I
was
just
gonna
say
if
it's,
if
they're
really
cheap
to
make
like
like
a
for
like
they,
don't
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
make
and
they're
easy
to.
C
If
you
have
the
file
of
what
you
need,
what
your
thing
is,
and
you
can
just
go
and
print
out
a
new
one
as
easily
as
as
possible.
Then
maybe
you
could
have
a
few
different
ones,
so
you
could
have
your
dress
one
the
same
way
as
you
would
have
different
pairs
of
shoes
right,
like
your
dress,
prosthetic
and
your
one.
C
That's
for
going
out
gardening
and
different
things
like
that,
but
I
think
that
the
real
value
like
one
of
the
most
impressive
things
about
enable
for
me
is
the
fact
that
it
gets
people
talking
about
the
issue
a
bit
more
and
gets
people
a
bit
more
accustomed
to
the
topic
and
it's
changes.
Changing
people's
point
of
view.
I
think.
D
This
is
probably
probably
the
same
for
all
of
us,
but
you
know
growing
up
it.
You
know,
I
think
we've
learned
to
kind
of
hide
the
hand
you
know
put
it
in
your
pocket
and
you
know
do
all
this.
At
least
you
know
I
just
seem
to
naturally
do
that,
but
with
with
this,
it
kind
of
reverses
that
where
now
it's
kind
of
a
cool,
looking
hat
you
know
and
it's
you
know,
people
I
think
are
and
it's
more
commonplace.
D
D
Just
just
a
quick
example.
D
D
So
I
mean
this:
is
you
know
obviously
the
extreme,
but
you
know
you
could
have
a
set
of
fingers
that
look
like
these
and
you
know
that's
pretty
eye-catching
and
yeah,
especially.
E
D
A
You
know
it's
an
interesting
thing
to
to
consider
too
so
patrick
and
I
were
talking
yesterday
and
you
know,
the
purpose
of
these
meetings
on
one
side
is
to
look
at
devices,
and
you
know,
maybe
even
sort
of
have
an
open
forum
to
have
makers,
expand
the
considerations
that
they
have,
for
you
know
the
different
kinds
of
designs
and
and
learn
about
the
importance
of
customization.
A
Again,
you
know
kind
of
device
focused,
but
then
there's
sort
of
the
social
side
of
things
and
then
creating
a
space
where
you
know,
if
there's
a
teenager
in
another
country
that
you
know
there
is
a
real
strong
stigma,
they
don't
feel
so
comfortable
having
a
space
that
is
inviting
for
them
where
they
can
learn
from
you
guys
they
can
learn
about
other
people
with
limb,
difference
that
have
adapted
and
really
the
the
center
of
that
conversation
would
be.
A
You
know
how
do
you
sort
of
encourage
this
inclusive
community
and
adaptation
to
you,
know
different
circumstances
and
needs
and
patrick-
and
I
were
thinking
of
maybe
having
a
separate
meeting
once
a
month
and
inviting
a
person
to
come
in
and
share.
You
know
whether
it's
a
professional
baseball
player
with
limb
difference
or
you
know,
could
be
a
maker.
A
It
could
be,
you
know
any
number
of
people
using
assistive
technology,
but
what
do
you
guys
think
about
that
sort
of
separating
out
the
the
device
design
conversations
with
more
of
kind
of
a
community
focused
presentation
once
a
month.
A
That
be
something
that
you
guys
would
join
or
be
interested
in.
Because
again,
I
was
trying
to
think
you
know
we
have
so
many
recipient
volunteers
around
the
world
and
most
of
them
they
might
get
a
device,
but
they're
not
engaged
actively
with
the
chapters
in
an
ongoing
basis
and
they
sort
of
end
up
being
more
anonymous
than
than
they
could
be.
If
there
was
you
know,
maybe
more
of
a
role
for
them
within
the
community
and
maybe
more
programs
or
workshops.
A
So
that
was
patrick
and
I
were
sort
of
brainstorming
that
a
little
bit
yesterday.
But
I'm
curious
to
ask
judy
and
mike
what
you
thought
about
that.
You
know
how
can
we
encourage
more
recipient
volunteers
to
be
involved,
especially
you
know,
maybe
some
that
are
younger,
a
little
less
confident,
maybe
from
countries
that
don't
have
the,
I
think,
more
inclusive
technology
mindset
that
we
tend
to
do.
E
So
it
would
be
more
than
just
a
human
interest
story.
It
would
be
a
little
bit
of
how
other
devices
are
working
for
them
and
how
it's
affected
their
life
in
a
positive
and
maybe
negative
way.
Just
do
you
think
that
people
in
other
countries
who
don't
wish
to
be
noticed
with
this
would
feel
comfortable
sharing
and
just
curious.
E
F
Well,
we
don't
either
we
we
have
some
conversations
periodically,
but
nothing
systematic
and
it
you
know
one
side
effect
of
what
we're
discussing
might
be
to
create
opportunities
for
groups
to
come
together.
For
that
kind
of
shared
experience
to
be
followed
by
communication
and
conversation.
E
Do
you
people
encourage
certain
kinds
of
discussions
within
the
chapters?
F
That
is
correct.
That
is
correct.
Some
have
you
know
very
good
and
systematic
programs
for
working
with.
F
Recipients,
people
who've
gotten
devices-
the
group
in
south
carolina
has
done
quite
a
good
job
of
that
and
they've
developed
some
materials
that
we're
reviewing.
But
I
we
really
don't
know
about
most
chapters.
We
think
in
general.
There's
much
less
follow-up
in
interaction,
then,
would
be
ideal,
but
we
don't
really
know.
A
Right
and
there's
some
programs
that
some
chapters
and
groups
of
chapters
have
come
up
with
you
know
some
are
focused
specifically
on
kids,
so
they
sort
of
have
these
parent-child
events
where
they'll
have
10
families
at
a
time.
That'll
come
together
and
they'll
have
resources
for
the
parents
and
sort
of
games
and
sort
of
stuff
for
the
kids,
but
you
know
the
the
model
in
the
past,
sometimes,
as
lean
towards
you
know,
the
finish
line
is
donating
a
device
and
from
a
different
perspective,
that's
really
the
the
takeoff
point.
That's
with
the
starting
line.
A
You
know
once
you
get
a
device
is
once
you
start
to
really
learn
about
the
customization.
That's
needed
you're
really
going
to
get
hands-on
experience
about
right,
the
design
itself
I
mean
mike.
You
know
that
judy
patrick
all
of
you
guys.
I
feel
like
have
a
very
clear
understanding.
You
know
from
daily
use
about
how
getting
a
device
is
just
the
beginning.
That's
when
you
really
start
to
say
wait
a
second
this
that
the
other
thing
could
be
improved
and
and
design
really
should
start
with
those
considerations.
A
So
we're
trying
to
think
you
know
how
could
we,
you
know,
have
more
design
discussions
and
also
more
sort
of
community
discussions.
It
looks
like
lulius
just
joined
us.
Would
you
like
to
introduce
yourself
and
oh
this
is
alexander,
okay,
yeah,
sorry,
no
problem,
I
can.
I
can
change
your
actually.
No,
that
that
is
your
correct
name.
B
D
B
Of
prosthetics,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
become
a
designer
of
prosthetics
and
I've
joined,
enable
I
think,
one
month
or
two
months
ago.
A
Great
yeah,
so
we're
talking
a
little
bit
about
you,
know,
design,
considerations
and
also
community
development
meetings.
So
patrick
was
thinking,
patrick
were
chatting
yesterday
about
maybe
having
two
separate
meetings
every
month,
so
one
would
be
sort
of
a
a
crossroads
for
makers
and
people
with
limb
difference
that
have
been
piloting
devices
to
have
an
exchange
to
talk
about
the
different
devices.
Maybe
even
have
it
be
focused
so
this
month
we'll
talk
about
exoskeleton
devices
this
month.
We'll
talk
about
the
connecticum
this
month.
We'll
talk.
D
A
Different
open
source
fingers,
but
then
to
have
a
separate
meeting
set
up
to
try
to
invite
maybe
some
of
these
recipient
volunteers
from
different
chapters,
folks
that
maybe
haven't
been
involved
with
design
so
much.
Maybe
they
got
a
device
and
it
didn't
really
suit
their
needs
and
maybe
have
a
presenter,
maybe
each
month
having
some
guest
presenter.
That
would
share
their
story
a
little
bit.
Somebody
with
first-hand
experience
with
assistive
technology
and
and
then
have
kind
of
a
q
a
after
that
maybe
collect
questions
from
the
community.
First.
D
E
D
Different
chapter
leaders,
or
even
users,
in
where
you
can
get
that
flow
of
information.
You
know
what
well
we've
all
done
things
to
our
hands
to
customize
them
or
you
know
we
thought
about
other
ways
to
make
them
work.
No
doubt
everybody
who
gets
one
does
that,
but
you
know
there
could
be
things
like
set.
You
know
use.
D
How
do
you
set
it
up
properly,
make
it
comfortable,
whatever
problems
have
you
run
into,
as
has
anything
broken,
or
you
know
just
that
all
that,
so
that
could
be
addressed,
and
you
know
some
of
the
things
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
develop
new
hands
same
with
the
builders.
You
know,
if
you
had
trouble
putting
this
together,
what
was
complicated,
what
you
know?
A
F
20Th
century
and
21st
century
surveys,
as
within
yourself,
is
the
same.
Hardly
any
response
at
all.
A
But
it's
also,
it
depends
on
expectation,
so
you
know
if
we
send
it
out,
and
twenty
percent
of
the
chapters
respond.
It's
still
a
lot
of
new
information,
so
it
could
be
interesting
to
to
explore
that.
You
know
I'm
curious
from
you
guys
is
there?
Are
there
any
specific
folks
with
that?
You
would
really
appreciate
hearing
from.
Are
there
any
stories
that
you've
read
about?
You
know
there
was
a
recent
post
in
the
hub
about
a
professional
baseball
player.
A
D
And
a
couple
of
the
couple
of
the
videos
I
put
together
were
kind
of
unfitting
and
adjusting,
and
all
that-
and
I
I
did
that
and
kind
of
what
kind
of
drove
me
forward
and
all
this
was
seeing
some
of
the
videos
where
you
know
I'm
looking
at
the
videos,
I'm
thinking
wow
that
could
be
adjusted
a
lot
better.
They
have
a
lot
more
functionality,
but
a
kid's
not
going
to
give
you
that
kind
of
feedback
they
just
don't
they
just
don't
know.
D
You
know
that
it's
a
ham
they've
been
getting
it
and
that's
the
way
it
is
but
yeah.
Somehow
we
could
let
that
flow
down.
You
know,
through
into
the
users,
to
have
a
much
better
experience.
You
know
just
tweak
things
a
little
bit
more
and
knew
how
to
set
them
up
and
adjust
them
and
make
them
comfortable.
F
B
F
A
I'm
happy
to
help,
but
it's
true
that
I
think
some
of
these.
These
efforts
really
want
to
be
directed
by
folks
that
you
know
when
they.
A
When
somebody
opens
up
the
video,
they
can
really
relate
right
away
to
to
what
it's
about.
F
So
I
don't
want
to
twist
anyone's
arm,
but
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
if
judy
or
patrick
or
mike
and
mike
is
already
actually
a
lot
of
time,
putting
in
a
lot
of
time
on
a
different
project
but
would
like
to
try
thinking
about
how
to
organize
this
kind
of
thing.
I
think
ben
and
I
and
others
in
the
community
would
provide
a
lot
of
support.
F
But
you
have
to
sort
of
step
up
and
and
see
whether
you're
willing
to
be
the
champion
of
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
thing.
It
would
be
quite
welcome.
It
doesn't
happen
because.
F
Years
of
class
work,
room
work
and
you
know
relevant
personal
experience.
E
F
E
F
Be
interested,
I
would
like
you
to
know
that
you're,
not
quite
ready
for
that.
Are
you
judy
just
as
a
side
note,
are
you
in
the
process
of
getting
a
device.
A
E
Had
one
woman
and
her
brother
connect
with
me
and
they
the
brother
who
lives
in
new
hampshire.
I
live
in
new
hampshire
indicated
that
he
wondered
how
you
guys
thought
that
the
kinetic
hand,
now
you
and
jeremy,
ben
and
jeremy
thought
the
kinetic
hand
was
best
for
me,
because
I
have
a
lack
of
real
estate
in
the
palm
of
my
residual
hand.
E
E
But
then
we
also
talked
about
somehow
making
like
mike
was
saying
about
the
designs
that
he
has
modified,
making
it
so
that
the
residual
hand
and
the
real
estate
you
do
have
can
be
more
securely
fastened.
So
the
fact
that
your
wrist
is
able
to
bend
and
you've
got
the
strength
there,
how
you
can
make
get
the
power
out
of
what
you've
got
there.
D
E
I
can
do
planks
and
I
can
do
push-ups,
but
I
can't
make
the
little.
I
can't
make
the
hand
work
because
of
the
real
estate,
but
the
real
estate
does
hold
me
up
doing
push-ups.
So
go
figure.
F
Right,
well,
listen,
I
don't
think
it's
the
point
of
this
meeting,
but
if
progress
on
getting
you
a
device
is
not
what
you
think
it
should
be
and
if
you
really
do
want
to
get
a
device
reach
out
to
anyone
on
this
call,
you're
you're
a
power
user
in
a
sense,
you're,
clearly
interested
you've
got
relevant
experience.
A
Goes
and
I
did
yeah-
that's
not
moving
along,
so
I
think
I
think
in
the
next
week
or
two
you
should
have
a
sentence
if
this
theme
is
going
to
work
out
for
the
that
case
it.
It
is
an
interesting
collaboration
with
folks
that
haven't
that
don't
have
a
ton
of
experience
in
some
ways
it
is
like
being
a
teacher
or
a
leader
to
work
with
a
team,
that's
making
a
new
hand
for
the
first
time.
So
it's
that's
part
of
the
volunteer
community.
E
A
E
D
Well,
it
is
interesting
because
I
obviously
we're
all
having
the
same
kind
of
process.
You
know
the
fitting
the
adapting,
the
modifying
and
that's
why
it's
interesting
to
me,
because
it's,
I
think,
patrick
you
said
it
we're
all
in
a
way
kind
of
selfish,
because
we
just
we
just
want
something
that
works
for
us,
but
but
there's
a
range
of
things
that
are
probably
it
had
a
lot
in
common
too.
You
know,
there's
things
that
we
could
do
just
based
on
what
we're
talking
about
here.
D
That
might
help
everyone,
so
right.
E
D
It's
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
understand.
You
know
other
uses
outside
of
your
your
own.
D
My
check
that
my
youtube
channel
and
there's
some
info
that
might
be
helpful
to
you
and
if
I
can,
you
know,
as
you
get
into
getting
a
new
hand
or
even
thinking
about
getting
one
or
picking
which,
which
one
you'd
like
to
get
I'd,
be
happy
to
share
what
I.
A
That,
if
you
go
back
up,
I
can
add
the
link
again.
So
it's
at
the
bottom.
A
It's
a
prosthetic
hand,
test,
lab
and
and
here's
the
link,
and
I
did
share
in
the
in
the
message
with
the
designers
that
are
working
on
your
case
judy.
I
did
share
a
video
that
mike
had
shared
with
bob
showing
his
hand
and
bob
and
mike
could
be
really
great
resources
for
that
team.
So
again,
you
know
in
terms
of
mentoring
them
in
the
process.
You
know,
knowing
that
the
scaling
of
the
ham
needs
to
come
down
a
little
bit.
A
Those
things
could
be
helpful,
but
thanks
so
much
everybody
for
coming
this
session,
I'll
keep
you
posted
about
next
month.
If
we
do
set
up
two
separate
meetings
like
like
we've,
been
thinking
I'll,
keep
everybody
posted
and
also
just
feel
free
to
shoot
me
an
email
if
you
have
any
other
ideas
or
suggestions
about
how
to
sort
of
structure
some
of
these.
A
If
there's
some
thing
that
we
didn't
cover
that
you'd
like
to
talk
about
or
some
community
development
ideas
were
open
to
that-
and
I
think
this
one
this
week
was
great.