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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - December 18, 2020
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, December 18, 2020.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: http://bit.ly/3973omh
B
The
well
betsy
was
back,
so
I
got
to
sleep
through
the
entire
night
for
the
first
time
in
a
week
last
night
that
was
exciting.
C
Okay,
here
we
go
action
items.
I
assume
no
news
on
the
front
of
finding
a
video
concierge
candidate
for
ewc.
C
Understood
we'll
just
leave
it
on
there
we'll
come
across
somebody
eventually,
yep
continue
reaching
out
to
shipping
carriers.
Any
news
there.
I've
not.
C
D
B
Just
sort
of
a
wacky
thought,
but
ben
and
safe
and
rodrigo-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
other
kinds
of
activities
for
volunteers-
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
because
it's
not
an
idea
to
do
anything
about.
But
I
could
imagine
that
if
we
had
our
act
together
someday,
we
networked
our
enablers
so
that
they
did
sort
of
relays
of
devices
from
country
to
country
to
country
and
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
each
other.
Just
sort
of
a
some
alternative.
B
A
Well,
you
know
maybe
to
add
to
that
idea
the
job
that
I
had,
which
again
was
sort
of
one
organization
and
not
this
whole
network,
but
it
had
six
sites
and
anytime
anybody
would
go
from
one
site
to
the
next.
They
basically
would
send
a
message
saying
you
know
what
needs
to
go
where
and
then
a
package
would
be
organized
and
usually
there
was
at
least
a
couple
things
that
needed
to
go
somewhere.
A
A
If
there's
things
that
need
to
be
brought
around,
but
that
really
takes
a
lot
of
coordination
and
I
don't
think
we're
quite
there
yet,
but
we're.
B
C
Sounds
good
all
right.
Next
up
was
my
action
item
to
create
a
google
form
for
a
simplified
way
of
requesting
devices.
I
did
draft
a
form
I
haven't
done
anything
with
it
yet
because
I
wanted
to
look
at
it.
C
And
so
we
will
look
at
that
in
just
a
moment
and
then
I
also
incorporated
john's
policy
statements
that
we
looked
at
last
week
into
our
code
of
conduct,
so
we
will
go
through
that
together
as
well.
So
let's
take
a
look
at
those
two
here.
Let
me
share
my
screen.
C
Okay,
are
you
guys
seeing
this
okay,
all
right,
so
here's
the
form
I
created
it's.
I
tried
to
keep
it
simple,
but
we
do
need
some
basic
information,
so
I
figure.
If
somebody
wants
a
device,
they
can
fill
out
this
form
it's
their
email
address
their
full
name.
Their
phone
number,
which
is
the
phone
number,
is
the
only
optional
field
in
here,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
the
location
general
like
country
and
region,
the
first
name
of
the
person
needing
a
device.
We
don't
necessarily
need
their
full
name.
C
Just
you
know
this
is,
for
you
know
sarah
or
whatever
the
type
of
device
they
need
hand
arm
finger
or
other
right
or
left
or
both,
and
are
you
working
with
medical
professional?
That's
it
so
I
tried
to
keep
it
simple.
Just
give
us
what
we
need
to
kind
of
understand.
What
we're
dealing
with
the
idea
is
that
if
somebody
fills
out
this
form,
you
know
how
it
works.
C
I
guess
my
thinking
was
that
our
next
step
would
be
an
email
to
that
person
with
with
much
more
detailed
instructions
about
how
to
get
into
enable
web
central,
step-by-step
guidance
for
creating
their
device
requests
based
on
the
information
that
guide
gave
us,
etc,
but
there's
a
number
of
other
possibilities
here,
there's
the
possibility
of
actually
setting
up
the
device
request
in
enable
web
central
for
them.
C
I
mean
we
have
the
information
here,
so
there
is
the
possibility
that
bob
you
go
in
and
you
actually
create
that
device
request
and
create
the
case
and
then
reply
back
to
them.
Saying
hey!
I
set
up
your
case.
Your
case
number
is
such
and
such
here's,
where
you
can
find
it
the
only
trick
with
doing
that
is
I
don't
think
we
have
a
way
of
creating
an
ewc
account
on
behalf
of
the
person
so
bob,
if
you
created
the
case
for
them
that
case
is
going
to
be
then
under
your
name.
C
D
B
I
wonder
if
that's
actually
a
really
good
opportunity
for
a
video
conference
where
the
concierge
or
bob
talks
to
them
meets
them,
assesses
them,
and
then,
if
appropriate,
says,
let
me
see
the
arm
hold
it.
This
way
hold
it
that
way,
and
we
use
that
to
get
the
photos
from
the
you
know
to
take
video
from
which
we
can
extract
photos.
C
Interesting,
I
don't
know
that
you'd
be
able
to
get
the
kind
of
quality
that
you
need
doing
that
through
a
remote
session
like
that,
it's
possible.
B
C
Well
and
the
last
time
we
did
this,
this
is
going
back
a
long
way,
but
before
we
had
enable
web
central,
when
we
had
somebody
doing
matching,
we
had
a
forum
like
this
and
we
had
a
lot
of
people
filling
it
out.
So
there
is
that
possibility.
You
know
one
point
in
time.
We
had,
I
think,
well,
over
a
thousand
people
that
had
filled
out
our
our
form,
a
very
different
era.
D
B
D
D
B
A
I
wonder
how
how
much
the
approach
might
impact
it
too,
not
saying
that
the
the
way
that
we're
doing
it
isn't
you
know
a
good
process,
but
you
know
concierge,
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
if
they
are
coming
from
other
countries,
that
might
even
be
a
question
mark.
They
might
not
fully
understand
what
what.
D
C
C
Make
sense
all
right,
let
me
give
it
a
try.
Yeah,
like
you,
said,
we'll
pilot
it
see
where
it
goes,
and
we
can
always
drop
it
if
it's
not.
C
Okay,
I'll
get
that
set
up,
then
so
I'll,
let
you
know
when
it's
in
place
and
you'll
just
you'll
see
those
emails
come
into
the
help
desk
and
we'll
figure
out
how
to
follow
up.
We
can
create
a
new
template
for
those
responses,
etc.
So,
okay
and
then
the
other
action
item
here,
was
to
incorporate
john's
policy
statements
under
the
code
of
conduct.
So
if
we
jump
over
here
to
the
code
of
conduct
here,
this
is
what
was
there
already.
C
So
we
had
kind
of
general
guiding
principles
which
I
left
as
is
community
is
open
to
everyone.
You
know,
code
of
you
know,
volunteer,
engages
in
behavior
that
violates
this
code
of
conduct.
We
may
take
action
that
we
deem
appropriate,
let's
see
as
a
non-commercial.
So
this
is
a
part.
These
three
parts
here
I
added
in
from
john's
document,
so
talking
about
the
fact
that
we,
you
know
people
who
knowingly
abuse
these
policies
may
be
called
out
in
public.
C
We
expect
that
providers
have
enabled
designs
to
technology,
enable
and
honor
all
relevant
licenses,
and
then
this
last
piece
I
put
in
here
we
talked
about
avoiding
the
whole
talk
about
charging,
but
I
did
include
this.
I
said,
as
a
general
rule
enable
does
not
charge
money
for
the
services
or
devices
offered
most
enabled
design
licenses
include
a
non-commercial
clause
preventing
the
use
of
design
for
commercial
purposes,
and
I
just
left
it
at
that.
I'm
not
saying
you
can't
do
it.
C
B
It
does
but
is
most
accurate
or
should
the
word
be
many.
C
Well,
I
think
it's
most,
I
mean
every
license.
I've
ever
pulled
up
has
had
a
creative
common,
non-commercial
attribution
license
all
right,
then,
okay,
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is,
is
what
was
there
before?
We've
got
guidance
for
being
able
volunteers
we
already
had
in
here.
The
part
about
volunteers
should
always
have
recipients
sign
a
release
and
waiver.
That
was
something
john
brought
up,
but
that
was
already
in
here
and
we
talked
about
video
photo
video
releases,
all
the
other
stuff
that
was
already
in
here.
C
So
I
I
incorp
most
of
what
I
I
added
in
was
just
these
these
few
points
up
here.
I
think
it
helps
to
kind
of
you
know,
set
the
stage
any
other
thoughts
on
this.
Are
we
okay
with
this
any
other
changes?
We
should
make.
D
Looks
good
to
me,
I
do
have
a
peripheral
comment
that
yeah
this
has
just
triggered
blender
using
the
peter
binkley
method.
Yep,
the
overlay
models
that
are
in
there
are
virtually
all
obsolete,
with
the
exception
of
the
phoenix
v2.
That's.
D
You
know
I've
used
it
a
couple
times
and
I,
thankfully
I
usually
do
use
a
phoenix
v2,
but
rest
of
them
are
useless.
I
think
we
have
somebody
has
to
upload
the
proper
scaled
models
of
all
the
new
devices
eliminate
the
other
ones.
Plus
there
are
models
in
there
that
I've
never
heard
of
so
they
must
have
been
very
early.
C
C
C
B
Yeah
jeremy-
that's
very
interesting,
but
you
know
fusion
is
pretty
daunting
for
the
newcomer,
I'm
wondering
for
sizing
whether
thingiverse
might
be
the
common
denominator.
I'm
not
thinking
versus
tinkercad.
B
C
B
D
B
C
He
doesn't
file
you
just
import
it.
That's
not
hard
at
all.
The
the
trick
is
that
those
are
stl
files
of
fully
assembled
hands.
So
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
taking
the
hand
model
and
dumping
in
somebody
has
to
create
a
model
that
has
all
the
components
in
their
assembled
sort
of
you
know
organization,
and
that's
that
assembled
model
is
what
gets
pulled
into
blender.
So
I
don't
know
that
we
have
assembled.
I
have
one
for
the
phoenix
I
know,
but
he's
already
got
that
in
there.
C
A
Well-
and
it
could
be
something
too,
to
follow
up
with
folks
like
matt,
botel
and
and
others
I
mean
he's-
definitely
able
to
do
that
too.
I
would
imagine.
C
Well,
I
mean
he's:
matt
has
given
several
sizing
approaches,
which
is
helpful
too,
so
you
can
do
the
sort
of
the
peter
binkley
method
that
we've
been
talking
about,
but
he
also
gives
you
the
ability
to
do
sizing
from
a
photo
just
by
taking
measurements
in
various
directions.
And
then
you
know
referencing
a
chart
and
things
like
that.
So
he
gives
you
other
ways
to
work
around
that
great.
D
C
You
could
probably
actually
now
that
I
think
of
it.
You
could
probably
drop
some
of
the
ones
that
are
in
there.
I
think
he's
got
like
the
k1
hand
in
there.
You
could
get
rid
of
that.
You
know
make
room
for
some
of
the
new
designs.
C
C
B
C
C
C
One
new
chapter
otherwise
kind
of
steady
growth,
nothing
really
to
call
out
there
moving
on
to
our
agenda,
there's
a
copy
of
the
policy
stuff
that
john
had
drafted.
I
left
that
in
here
I'll
take
that
out
for
next
week,
so
I
was
referencing
that
no
active
lumio
discussions
or
proposals
right
now
it
is.
It
is
dead
there
right
now,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
to
do
with
that
nobody's.
Using
our
lumio
platform.
D
Yeah
I
I
want
to
raise
it,
though
you
know
I
sent
out
the
email
to
the
participants
here.
We've
got
thirty
thousand
dollars
unallocated
in
the
enable
fund.
Now
I'm
acutely
aware
that,
10
months
from
now,
somebody's
gonna
have
to
write
a
report
to
dodora
john.
B
B
We
can
talk
about
what
it
should
entail,
but
we
could
easily
draft
a
proposal
that
we
believe
in
that
allocates
enough
money
for
bob
to
to
not
feel
nervous
and
gives
us
the
discretion
we
have
wanted.
When
we
wanted
it,
it
might
be
a
way
of
giving
ben
a
longer
horizon.
We
might
even
think
about
paying
people
to
do
certain
things
like.
B
B
C
I
actually
like
that
more
than
been
preparing
it
himself,
there's
it
just
makes
more
sense
to
me
that
that
we
collectively
say
we
want
ben's
work
to
continue
here's,
what
we're
proposing
as
opposed
to
ben
kind
of
putting
his
hand
up,
saying,
hey
I'd
like
more
money,
please,
I
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
that.
Coming
from
all
singers,
yeah.
C
D
C
D
C
Talked
about
some
initiatives
that
might
be
a
good
fit
for
this.
We've
talked
about
these
kits
these
handbags
that
we
might
send
out
to
prospective
organizations
either
partners
or
potential
donors
or
schools
that
want
to
get
involved
and
enable
things
like
that.
So
there's
a
number
of
possibilities
there,
but
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
that
you
know
getting
those
kits
organized
getting
the
devices
put
together
for
them.
C
You
know
the
shipping
the
you
know,
so
that
could
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
kind
of
work
into
a
program
that
gets
funded
by
some
of
this,
and
that
would
be
a
nice
story
to
tell
that
we
were
able
to
implement
this
new
program
for
outreach,
and
you
know
what
we
were
able
to
do
with
that.
That's
one
possibility.
D
A
B
A
Attitude
so
maybe
as
a
as
an
appetizer,
it's
not
something
that
I
can
fully
report
on,
but
I
met
with
nade
and
the
nyab
team.
Yesterday
they
do
this
thursday
meeting
and
he's
come
up
with
a
document
that
summarizes
the
phase
three
and
prepares
for
the
phase
four,
so
he's
getting
geared
up
for
making
illumio
proposal.
For
that
I
know
who
is
that
nate
nate,
okay,
nyap
stuff?
I
think
the
the
conversation
that
we
had
inspired
by
the
b
mask
activity
recently,
which
I
thought
also
was.
A
I
think
we're
on
to
something
with
that.
I
shared
that
the
model
that
we
had
talked
about
with
the
bmask
of
having
sort
of
like
an
open
forum,
be
a
potential
output
of
his
efforts.
Instead
of
it
him
trying
to
be
the
expert
of
sort
of
the
full
nyap
system
and
trying
to
bring
everybody
into
the
nyap
stuff,
I
thought
I'd
share
the
the
model
of
saying
you
know.
A
Maybe
it
would
be
worth
to
have
some
kind
of
a
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
conference
but
a
contest
or
something
and
have
that
be
a
focus
for
his
team
and
try
to
bring
more
people
into
it.
And
he
thought
that
was
a
really
great
idea
thought
that
that
would
probably
be
an
additional
lumio
proposal.
D
The
devices
have
been
created,
they
are
not
deployed,
they
are
not
fully
workable.
There
are
many
there's
much
development
to
be
done
to
go
on
to
phase
two
three
and
four,
I
think,
is
the
wrong
approach.
B
B
A
Right,
I
wonder
if
some
sort
of
a
evaluation
process
could
be
considered
for
not
just
nate,
but
this
whole
process
right
now,
for
example,
when
I
got
to
the
finish
line
of
the
media
coordination
first
part
of
it,
I
put
together
some
sort
of
a
report,
but
I
wonder
if
that
could
be
sort
of
an
open
forum
as
well,
where
there
could
be
sort
of
evaluation
that
could
be
submitted
as
part
of
the
process.
A
You
know
from
the
community.
You
know
whether
it's
bob
or
whether
it's
the
spc
or
whether
it's
just
somebody
that
says
you
know
I
you
know
I
I
was
expecting
this
and
I
haven't
seen
it
or
whatever.
C
Well,
we've
got
the
feedback
forums
out
there,
but
I
think
getting
honest
feedback
from
people
is
is
always
challenging.
I
think
the
core
issue
here
is
the
the
lack
of
an
effective
terminal
device
on
the
on
the
nyop
system.
B
D
Other
issues,
you
know
the
shoulder
harness
has
issues.
The
shell
bow
has
issues
it's
heavy.
It
doesn't
function
quite
as
well
as
intended.
I'm
not
diminishing
the
terminal
device,
that's
number
one,
but
there
are
other
aspects
that
are
excuse
me
dog
is
coming
up.
There
are
other
aspects
that
need
to
be
addressed
in
just
a
terminal
device
just
to
fill
it
out.
A
Well-
and
I
wonder
if
some
of
that
could
could
be
addressed
with
the
sort
of
some
kind
of
a
feedback
stage
of
our
process
and
in
terms
of
the
terminal
device,
there
is
some
hand-
I
I
know
nothing
about
it,
but
there
is
some
hand
that
has
been
sort
of
incorporated
into
his
catalog.
He
shared
it
at
pointer,
it's
a
new
design.
B
I've
gotten
used
to
multitasking
with
dogs,
so
I'm
going
to
speak
for
myself.
I
think
ben
has
opened
up
the
possibility
that
the
end,
the
spc
proposal
notion,
opens
up
the
possibility
that
we
could
work
to
create
a
mechanism
that
would
not
be
a
grant
to
nate,
but
might
actually
be
something
that
could
end
up
supporting
nate
and
his
laudable.
B
A
And
he
seems
open
to
this
idea
of
having
a
a
forum
or
a
contest,
or
you
know
some
sort
of
show-and-tell
outside
of
nyap,
with
some
specific
objectives
in
mind
and
that's
what
we
talked
about,
he
seemed
really
geared
up
on
it.
B
D
I
think
I
think
the
idea
has
better.
I
want
to
interject,
though
too,
as
a
general
policy,
with
just
nyop
being
an
example
not
for
nyap
in
a
world
of
limited
funds
and
a
lot
of
opportunity.
How
much
money
do
we
put
into
any
given
specific
project.
C
I
I
think
we
got
to
start
somewhere,
though
I
like
the
idea
of
spc
sponsored
projects
written
up
in
lumio,
and
I
think
the
best
way
to
test
this
out
is:
let's
do
one
and
to
me
the
most
obvious
choice
to
start
with
is
ben's
renewal.
It's
timely,
it's
very
appropriate
for
us
to
put
forward
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
could
fund
for.
You
know
another
full
year
and
it's
something
that
we
already
know
works.
It
shows
results.
C
It's
it
just
seems
like
a
good
fit
for
me.
Let's
write
up
a
proposal
for
ben's.
You
know
next
year
and
it'll
quickly
get
voted
up,
we'll
use
that
as
our
kind
of
test
run
for
an
spc
sponsored
proposal,
and
we
could
talk
about
what
to
put
up
next,
but
that
would
be
a
good
one.
A
A
So
I
think
we've
gotten
closer
to
making
some
of
the
things
that
I'm
doing
more
easy
to
replicate,
but
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet
I
mean-
and
I'm
I'm
recognizing
this
as
some
some
limitations
in
terms
of
what
I've
been
able
to
accomplish
in
getting
other
people
to
follow
along
and
contribute
to
some
of
this
stuff.
A
So
I
think
that
would
really
want
to
be
a
part
of
it,
whether
we
get
student
interns
that
are
involved,
I
think
we're
starting
to
get
some
momentum
with
this
new
member
orientation
and
we've
got
one
guy
working
with
us
with
wishbone
nate's
got
two
folks
from
the
meetings
just
from
this
last
month
that
are
really
proven
to
be
wonderful
assets
for
him.
Let's
try
to
figure
out
a
sustainable
model,
and
I'm
happy
to
you
know
can
sit
down
with
you
guys
and
okay.
C
I
think
it
should
be
a
collaborative
effort.
I
think
ben.
You
should
be
very
much
involved
in
in
defining
this
proposal
and
the
program
and
how
that
gets
written
up
when
we
ultimately
post
it
to
lumio.
I'm
just
saying
we
post
it
as
spc
saying
this
is
what
we're
proposing,
but
I
think
you
should
actually
be
primary
in
helping
us
to
formulate
that
proposal.
B
I
think
that's
great,
but
I
can
underline
that
what's
going
on
with
ben
is
a
he
tends
not
to
be
comfortable
with
him
being
the
keystone
of
this.
Everyone
else
on
this
call
is
actually
comfortable
and
pleased
with
him
being
the
keystone,
but
he
may
move
on.
He
may
go
to
graduate
school.
He
may
do
other
things
and,
besides
in
principle,
speaking
for
ben,
he
thinks
that
we
should
be
building
a
system
which
is
less
dependent
on
any
one
individual,
and
when
I
put
it
that
way,
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
C
B
Right
as
long
as
the
this
individual
is
available,
I
think
we're
good
right,
but
this
individual
makes
the
point
that
he
is
not
willing
to
marry
himself
to
us
long
term,
and
we
therefore
should
do
this
in
such
a
way
that
if
ben
were
to
move
on,
we
would
have
created
a
well-defined
niche
for
another
director
of
communications
or
whatever.
It
was
well.
C
Yeah
that
gives
us
a
good
framework
for
writing
up
this
proposal,
because
if
we,
instead
of
just
doing
another
proposal,
hey,
we
just
want
to
renew
ben's
work
and
do
another
round.
Let's,
let's
write
it
up
as
the
whole
goal
of
this
next
phase
is
to
have
ben
continue
doing
what
he's
been
doing,
while
building
out
the
templates
and
infrastructure
and
automation
everything
else
to
keep
this
going
beyond
him.
If
that
becomes
kind
of
the
focus
of
the
proposal
where
that
is
built
in
as
a
primary
goal,
maybe
we
can
achieve
both.
A
Sounds
good
and
I've
got
this
document.
I
think
I've
shared
it
with
john
in
the
past.
I
can
share
my
screen
right
now.
If
we
have
the
time
or
yeah,
we
got
time
why
I
can
share
my
screen.
D
C
A
A
Here's
the
ask
I
brought
this
up
because
this
is
sort
of
the
model
that
I
think
we've
settled
into
over
this
past
year,
so
quarterly
newsletters,
social
media,
engagement
and
again
going
between
you
know
the
hub
to
facebook.
Like
john,
was
talking
about
articles
and
enabling
the
future
presentations
chapter
spotlight
series
is
something
I'd
really
like
to
continue
and
build
upon
mentoring
and
training,
we're
just
starting
with
community
infrastructure,
which
could
include
some
of
this
automation
that
we've
done
in
the
hub
and
then
internationalization.
A
I
think,
we've
just
touched
on
it,
but
everton
was
a
wonderful
model
for
that
in
pointer.
I
I
would
be
interested
to
continue
well.
Let
me
put
it
this
way:
I'm
a
little
bit
hesitant
in
the
lumio
process,
in
that
I
do
think
having
it
having
this
role
come
out
of
the
same
pot
of
funds
as
all
the
other
projects
could
be
sort
of
troublesome
in
the
future
and
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
with
this
sort
of
more
polished
model
that
I
think
you
know
I
can
glue
together.
A
You
know,
maybe
in
six
months
or
one
year,
contract.
Six
months
is
probably
fine
or
even
a
semester
if,
if
we
have
enough
modeling
materials
and
if
we
get
some
funds
from
somebody,
maybe
like
red
hat
or
ibm
or
google
or
verizon
or
some
communications
based
technology
company,
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
in
competition
with
other
projects
which
I
think
would
be
in
the
long
shot
ideal.
That's
that's
my!
A
I
don't
know
long
vision.
I
guess
of
what
would
be
the
best.
C
In
that
respect,
I
think
the
work
that
you've
done
and
continue
to
do
is
a
perfect
fit
for
that
everything
that
you're
doing
is
helping
the
community
to
become
more
solid,
more
established,
better
connected
helping
us
to
grow.
You
know
it's
it's
very
much
in
line
with
that,
so
I
really
would
encourage
you
not
to
you
know,
feel
like
you're
taking
funds
away
from
something
else.
It's
just,
I
think
it's
very
relevant
work.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
there's
there's
a
couple
of
mechanisms
of
doing
this.
C
You
talked
about
getting
some
kind
of
sponsorship,
specifically
for
this
role.
That
would
be
great.
Another
possibility
is:
we've
talked
about
the
fact
that
maybe
the
spc
should
hold
back
some
pool
of
funds
to
say
look.
The
community
has
certain
things
that
it
needs
and
so
we're
going
to
sort
of
retain
ownership
of
x
dollars
per
year.
To
just
say,
these
are
things
that
we
need
to
get
done
and
keep
those
outside
of
the
the
voting
pool.
This
could
also
fall
into
that
kind
of
a
bucket
as
well,
where
we
have
this
discretionary
spc
fund.
C
Just
there's
some
things
that
are
just
you
know,
don't
necessarily
need
to
go
through
voting.
We
need
to
pay
for
hosting.
We
need
to
pay,
for
you
know
some
of
our
our.
You
know
online
tools
that
we
use.
You
know,
there's
certain
costs
that
we
know
need
to
be
funded
to
keep
things
going,
there's
no
reason
to
put
those
out
to
a
vote
every
time.
A
Right
that
makes
sense
you
know,
and
as
a
model
as
a
grant
as
a
scholarship.
I
think
it
it's
sort
of
in
its
structuring
or
dna
has
this
idea
of
being
sort
of
community
based.
So
you
know
I.
I
just
noticed
that
you
know
for
the
long
term.
I
think
it
will
make
a
difference.
You
know
how
we
sort
of
set
up
this
section.
A
Maybe
we
we
just
aim
for
extending
things
for
six
months,
hoping
that,
with
this
document
sent
out
and
over
the
next
couple
months,
maybe
we
can
bring
in
some
long-term
funds
to
support
sort
of
infrastructure,
and
I
do
think
that
you
know
again
saying
support
enable
contribute
to
the
enable
fund.
We,
you
know
3d
print
hands
and
now
do
ppe
is
different
than
what
this
is.
This
is
a
very
clear
package.
This
is
communications
and
we
have
examples
of
all
of
it.
So
we
can
say
here's
a.
A
B
C
That's
the
trick,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
in
in
practice.
The
the
trick
is
is
turnover
right.
You
have
somebody
that
comes
in
and
says
oh
yeah,
I'll
I'll.
Do
that,
and
then
they
kind
of
lose
interest
after
a
couple
months
and
it's
it's
very
hard
to
kind
of
keep
retraining
and
and
and
that
sort
of
thing.
C
But
if
you
you
know,
if
you
find
the
right
individual
I'd
say
you,
you
had
the
right
idea
with
maybe
taking
these
one
at
a
time
you
know
maybe
have
somebody
that
starts
to
take
on
the
newsletter
and
have
somebody
else
that
takes
on
you,
know,
articles
for
etf
or
what
have
you
and
start
to
you
know,
split
them
out.
You
know
it's
all
about
the
people,
though
it
you
know
part
of
the
reason
that
this
is
working
so
well
right
now,
ben
is
because
you're
behind
it.
C
Quite
honestly,
it's
it's
the
person
doing
the
work.
You're,
not
just
a
you
know:
you're,
not
just
a
doer,
you're
you're,
a
leader.
You
know
you're
a
guy
who's,
who's,
able
to
kind
of
see,
what's
needed
and
and
take
charge
and
build
things.
Finding
people
with
those
kinds
of
skill
sets
is
quite
difficult.
A
Well,
I
think,
ideally
we're
actually,
if
I
do
this
project
right,
which
I
think
we're
getting
closer
to,
we
don't
need
a
leader
because
the
model
will
be
there
to
lead.
So
you
know
somebody
can
look
at
a
chapter
spotlight.
They
can
look
at
five
chapter,
spotlights
and
say:
okay,
there's
nine
sections,
and
I
just
have
to
interview
and
fill
in
these
points,
and
I
have
to
do
you
know-
let's
say
one
quarter
and
the
same
with
the
newsletter.
A
I
think
we've
established
it
over
the
last
year
that
okay,
here's
a
format
that
works,
and
it's
a
lot
easier
for
me
to
do
them
now
than
it
was
the
first
time.
I
I
appreciate
that
you
know
that
you
guys
are
recognizing
sort
of
the
the
learning
curve
that's
been
involved
and
but
I
think
the
spc
is
a
wonderful
vehicle
for
managing
that.
C
It's
a
good
way
to
write
it
up.
I
mean
you've
got
a
good
list
here
and
by
the
way
ben.
I
would
say:
let's,
let's
take
this
list
that
you
have
here,
that
you
have
highlighted.
Let's
get
that
incorporated
into
our
volunteering
needs
page
on
the
hub,
because
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
the
stuff
represented
there
right
now.
So,
let's
you
know,
let's
put
this
out
there,
that
hey
these
are
things
we're
looking
for
and
then
let's
write
up
this
proposal
like
we
talked
about,
but
let's
let's
focus
it
on
this.
C
You
know
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
bringing
in
interns
and
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
enabling
you
know
this
program
beyond
ben
and
let's,
let's
make
that
our
goal,
instead
of
just
continuing
to
run
the
program.
Let's
make
this
next
phase
all
about
you
know,
building
an
ongoing
infrastructure
right.
A
B
Right,
so
I
want
to
underline
a
few
a
few
technical
points.
One
is
if
the
money
is
in
the
enable
fund,
it
does
need
to
be
voted
on.
I
think
that's
sort
of
constitutionally
required
and
a
good
thing
correct.
However,
this
proposal
to
be
voted
on
by
the
enable
fund
can
say
the
point
of
this
proposal
is
to
try
to
create,
is
to
prototype
and
then
try
to
create
a
separate
capacity
fund
for
sort
of
organizational
activities.
Well,.
C
I
think
these
are
two
different
proposals.
Actually,
I
would
say
that
the
first
proposal
we
do
is
simply
to
fund
this
program.
The
communications
program
talk
about
everything
that
we've
discussed
here
and
how
it's
about
building.
You
know
the
long-term
solution
for
this.
That's
just
something
that
we
propose
as
as
having
it
funded.
C
Next
we
could
do
another
proposal
to
say
we'd
like
to
you
know,
move
this
model
forward.
We
propose
having
a
separate
bucket
of
funds
that
the
spc
can
manage
and
allocate
on
discretionary
basis.
I
think
that
could
be
its
own
proposal
getting
buy-in
for
us
having
kind
of
a
separate
set
of
funds
separate
from
the
enable
fund.
B
A
Sure
yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
I'm
not
opposed
to
sort
of
tying
some
of
this
stuff
together,
but
I
do
think
you
know,
maybe
by
the
time
we
get
around
to
this
next
round,
we
can
set
it
up,
as
you
know,
ibm
will
match
the
contribution
or
red
hat
or
something
like
that.
I
think
maybe
by
then
we'll
have
some
dialogue
with
one
of
these
companies
and
they'll
say
I
think
it's
if
we
talk
to
the
right
person,
it's
a
no-brainer
to
align
an
initiative
like
this.
A
That's
a
student
scholarship,
especially
if
we
can
be
also
contributing
in
that
direction.
So
I.
A
You
know
we
might
be
able
to
step
over
the
whole
thing
with
some
sort
of
corporate
matching,
so
we
might
be
able
to.
Instead
of
creating
this
whole
separate
thing,
we
can
say:
look
we've
talked
to
verizon,
verizon
has
up
to.
I
don't
know
ten
thousand
dollars
to
put
into
this.
We
can.
We
can
match
that
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
have
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
this
every
year.
What
do
you
think
community
and
then
it's,
I
think,
a
little
bit
more
attractive
than
just
coming
out
of
the.
B
C
Okay,
good
I'm
also.
I
just
occurred
to
me
that
I
we
this
might
help
I'm
adding
in
and
I'll
finish
typing
up
later,
I'm
adding
into
our
you
know.
We
have
a
pinned
post
at
the
top
of
the
enable
form.
I'm
adding
a
note
into
that
pinned
post
about
the
fact
that
there
is
funding
available.
Please
go
submit
your
lumio
proposal,
so
it's
right
there
in
the
forum.
I
think
that
might
might
be
helpful.
We
could
even
put
a
balance
in
there
if
we
wanted
to
say
hey.
B
Well,
that's
right,
actually,
and
in
that
context,
there's
a
news
item
right
that
this
grant
that
came
in
unexpectedly
of
five
thousand
dollars
from
netcetera
this
week
means
that
we
are
even
better
than
we
were
we're
even
richer
than
we
were
last
week.
It
is
time
for
people
to
really
think
about
how
best
to
use
the
money
that
we
have
brought
together.
A
I'll
share
that
post
they
shared
it
publicly
with
their
community.
Yesterday
I
haven't
gotten
a
link
to
their
post,
but
they
said
it
would
be
the
17th
so
I'll
share
our
news
today
and
when
we
did
get
through
bob
and
and
their
team
an
edit
back
of
what
they'd
like
us
to
say.
D
C
A
I
could
give
a
really
quick
nod
to
this
wishbone
effort.
I
think
it's
been
a
little
bit
two
steps
forward,
one
step
back,
trying
to
figure
out
the
the
structuring,
but
we
did
have,
I
think,
a
really
productive
meeting.
This
week
we
brought
in
evan,
I'm
gonna,
say
his
name
wrong.
Blackman.
I
think
who
was
one
of
the
new
members
last
month
in
the
orientation
meeting
he
just
graduated
from
school,
studying
accounting.
He
seems,
I
think,
really
motivated
to
help
us.
B
B
A
So
it
is
an
example
of
this
orientation
program
which
is
developing.
We
also
had
a
meeting
with
seif
and
ricardo
about
planning
for
the
next
version
of
that.
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
from
everton
to
see
if
he
can
be
a
guest
chapter
leader,
but
I
think
we're
in
good
shape
for
extending
those
sessions
into
these
little
micro
task
challenges
and
how
that
can
not
just
motivate
those
monthly
meetings,
but
also
ripple
into
the
community
and
and
start
we
sort
of
have
this
whole
process.
A
I
can
share
an
email
about
it
later,
which
is,
I
think,
exciting
the
wishbone
stuff
terry's
going
to
be
looking
into
how
to
tie
in
the
whole
thing,
with
local
media
john's
looking
into
previous
posts
that
are
in
this
domain.
A
For
example,
this
this
guy
from
india,
who
has
been
asking
for
some
support
I'll,
be
coming
up
with
the
form
a
sketch
of
the
form
of
what
people
will
fill
out
for
a
request,
or
a
donation
and
evan's
working
on
sort
of
the
structural
side
of
how
the
accounts
will
be
working
together
and
even
the
non-profit
status
as
an
unregistered
nonprofit.
There's
some
threshold
that
we
can
work
underneath
and
not
have
to
incorporate
or
anything
like
that,
which
is
interesting.
So
you
know
I
think
it's
all.
A
C
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
point
to
wrap
we're
at
the
top
of
the
hour
here.
So,
let's
regroup
next
week.
We
can
continue
this
just
looking
to
see
if
we,
I
captured
some
new
action
items
at
the
top,
but
I
think
we've
covered
all
that
yeah.
So,
let's,
let's
continue
the
discussion.
Next,
I'm
just
I'm
just
sitting
here.
Thinking
do
we
need
to
do
anything
in
terms
of
the
proposal
that
we
were
discussing
between
now
and
next
session.
C
John,
do
you
are
you
and
ben
in
a
position
to
start
kind
of
talking
about
how
to
formulate
that
sure?
And
then
maybe
we
can
start
working
on
that
after
next
week,.
B
C
D
B
But
that's
not
true
bob
there.
They
will
almost
certainly
go
through
rochester
enable
limited,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
enable
fund.
I.
C
C
Don't
see
that
as
an
issue,
though,
even
if
it
goes
into
the
enable
fund
when
we
talk
about
the
spc
having
some
discretionary
authority
over
spending,
I
to
me
that
doesn't
mean
that
that
money
can't
be
in
the
enable
fund.
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
saying
that
you
know
we
reserve
the
right
to
control.
C
B
C
D
A
You
know
there
is
one
thing:
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
tangent,
but
on
the
education
initiative
john
and
I
did
spend
some
time
on
air
table,
we
were
trying
to
get
a
form
together.
Although
john
has
credits
for
the
pro
account
for
air
table,
there
is
some
extension
that's
required
to
try
to
have
a
couple
tables
feeding
into
one
form.
It
costs
forty
dollars
a
month.
I
sort
of
axed
it
out.
A
As
thinking
you
know,
five
hundred
dollars
a
year
is
an
awful
lot
for
a
silly
extension,
but
that's
something
to
think
about.
We.
We
do
know
that
airtable
has
the
capacity
to
be
embedded
into
the
hub.
It's
got
a
really
attractive,
looking
sort
of
like
album
view
of
these
different
submissions.
B
This
is
the
it's
a
tech,
it's
a
technical
point,
but
it
it
it's
needed
for
there
to
be
a
natural
flow
when
people
are
creating
a
new
educational
resource
right
within.
A
If
I
take
a
step
back,
no,
if
I
take
a
step
back
to
the
collaborations
with
lindsay,
we
basically
looked
at
this
curriculum
together
and
then
got
the
sense
that
really
it's
not
about
coming
up
with
a
curriculum.
But
it's
about
modeling,
an
archive
of
educational
resources
and
actually
this
week,
there's
been
people
that
continue
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
educational
sources
that
were
posted
in
the
hub
and
comment
on
them
and
say
how
wonderful
that
they
are.
A
I
think,
that's
that's.
A
huge
potential.
B
A
C
C
So
this
is,
this,
is
kind
of
about
mapping
and
tying
all
these
resources
together
and
okay,
I
mean
that's
what
I
think:
that's
what
you
need
to
look
at
ultimately,
is
you
know,
you
know
again:
500
a
year
might
seem
like
a
lot
for
a
plug-in,
but
ultimately
it's
about
what
is
the
value
that
it's
bringing
to
us
and
if
you
know,
we've,
we've
never
done
a
really
great
job
of
of
making
these
educational
resources
accessible
and
findable,
and
if,
if
it
helped
us
do
that,
it
would
seem
worthwhile
to
me
I
mean
it's.
B
Yeah
I
agree
with
that
ben.
I
I
thought
you
bailed,
because
five
it
was
going
to
require
500
for
each
user.
If
that's
something
we
can
do,
and
then
it
is
available
to
everyone
who
uses
the
resource.
It
is
a
no-brainer.
We
can
either
write
a
proposal.
We
can
either
slide
it
into
this
proposal
that
we're
doing
I'd,
even
you
know,
rogers
enable
limited,
could
just
do
it
to
avoid
the
voting
process.
It
is
a
no-brainer.
B
A
Brought
it
up,
because
I
thought
it
is
an
example
of
some
of
these
infrastructure
things
that
we're
talking
about
so
right
now
to
make
a
whole
proposal
for
it.
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
say
for
the
future
having
some
spc
funds
that
can
go
in
different
directions
will
make
it
possible
for
something
like
that
to
just
be
pitched
at
a
meeting
like
this
and
then
saying
that's
a
good
investment
and.
C
B
And
near-term
ben.
However,
you
can
say
this
is
not
something
we
wanna
do
altogether,
but
if
it's
the
case
that
it
will
function
for
everyone
for
that
flat
rate
of
fifty
dollars
a
month,
I'll
give
you,
where
we'll
sign
up
using
the
rochester
naval
credit
card
and
when
we
eventually
figure
out
how
I
will
seek
reimbursement,
as
jeremy
has
done,
for
money
he's
fronted
for
web
development.
In
the
past.
A
We
can
talk
about
that
next
week
and
I
did
email,
the
guy
and
sort
of
pulled
on
his
heartstrings
a
bit
and
said,
but
we're
a
volunteer
community
and
we'll
use
it
for
three
things,
and
so
he
initially
responded
and
said
no
dice
and
then
nice,
let's
get
another
email
back.
So
we'll
see
where
that
goes.