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A
B
A
Okay,
we
are
live,
okay,
so
welcome
back
everyone
we're
still
gathering
folks
here,
I
just
thought:
we'd
get
the
stream
going
and
before
I
forget,
let
me
get
the
chat
up
here.
Go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
A
All
right
so,
like
I
said
well,
hopefully
we'll
have
one
or
two
more
folks
joining,
but
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started
here
and
ben.
Are
you
able
to
help
me
with
notes
today
yeah?
Thank
you
I'll.
Let
you
fill
in
the
names,
then
I
don't
have
anyone
to
introduce
today
from
the
look
of
it.
As
I
see.
Oh,
that's.
C
A
Got
a
black
screen
for
some
reason.
Andrew
now
I
see
your
name
there
we
go
action
items
we'll
start
there,
alexander
and
or
masley.
Neither
of
them
are
here
we're
hoping
to
get
an
update
from
them
about
this
finnish
medical
event
that
they
attended.
A
So
we'll
come
back
to
that,
I
was
tasked
with
setting
up
a
spreadsheet
to
document
all
of
these
different
champion
needs
and
tasks
or
projects
that
we've
been
collecting,
and
I've
done
that
I
did
not
send
the
link
to
ben,
but
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
put
it
right
here
in
our
notes.
Let
me
change
the
sharing
permissions.
A
So
I
just
I
just
put
in
the
the
same
list
that
we
have
in
our
notes,
which
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
in
a
short
while
and
talking
about,
and
I
just
I
tried
to
estimate
the
scale
of
effort,
whether
it's
small,
medium
or
large,
with
kind
of
a
definite
end
or
if
it's
something
that's
ongoing,
as
you
can
see.
Most
of
these
are
ongoing
needs
which
is
challenging.
You
know
it's
harder
to
find
somebody.
A
That's
that's
going
to
be
able
to
stick
with
something
longer
term,
but
that's
the
discussion
we'll
be
having
so
we'll
come
back
to
that.
As
I
said,
I've
got
the
whole
list
below
I've
not
gone
live
with
the
device
catalog
pages
we've
talked
about
that.
I'm
hoping
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
this
sort
of
task
bounty
approach,
maybe
to
find
somebody
to
help
with
this.
I'm
gonna
keep
it
on
here
for
now,
but
being
realistic,
I'm
going
to
need
help
with
that.
A
Bob
write
up
a
lumia
discussion
thread,
including
a
proposed
pay
amount
for
the
matching
platform
analysis
fellowship
six
months
to
a
year.
So
I
know
you
did
write
up
a
job
description
and
I
think
that's
on
me
to
kind
of
finish,
reviewing
and
editing
right,
because
is
that,
where
we're
at
yep
yep,
that's
where
we're
at
my
apologies.
Let
me
let
me
up.
A
Analysis
and
then
once
that's
done,
we'll
write
up
a
discussion
thread
and
get
that
going,
but
bob
did
write
up
a
very
nice
one
page
description
and
I
just
need
to
go
in
and
spend
some
time
with
that.
Did
you
have
a
chance
to
give
me
edit
access
on
that,
because
when
I
click
the
link?
Okay?
For
some
reason,
it's
still
telling
me.
I
have
view
access
really.
B
B
A
Clicked
on
it
this
morning,
I
clicked
on
your
sharing
link
and
it
still
said
I
was
a
viewer.
Maybe
it
was
better
okay,
so,
let's
see
then
help
desk.
Oh,
the
flash
forge
email
exchange
has
been
any
further
contact
with
them.
A
D
We've
been
playing
tag
yeah,
trying
to
find
a
time
he's
working
a
nine-to-five
job.
So
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
one
of
these
weekends
is
gonna
work
because
he's
right
around
the
corner
from
john,
so
it'd
be
easy
enough
to
catch
up.
But
I
know
that
john's
got
a
deadline
this
weekend,
so
it's
probably
not
gonna
be
for
another
week
or
so.
D
Let's
see
we,
we
did
meet
this
week
and
talked
a
bit
about
internship
opportunities,
but
you
know,
I
think
it's
sort
of
still
at
an
impasse.
We
had
some
ideas.
Actually,
no,
there
is
an
update
john
reached
out
to
eric
bubar
about
some
next
steps,
larger
steps
within
sort
of
the
enable
at
least
u.s
initiatives,
and
it
seems
like
he
could
be
a
really
key
player
in
that
marymount
is
one
of
the
universities
connected
to
handshake.
D
But,
more
importantly,
they've
got
that
new
program
that
they're
they're
piloting
this
year.
I'm
not
even
piloting
it.
It
seems
like
it's
really
quite
a
thing,
so
that
could
be
a
really
interesting
avenue
to
put
some
focus
into
for
internships.
A
Very
good,
all
right,
I
don't
have
any
kind
of
special
presentations
on
the
roster
or
schedule.
I
would
love
to
add
some,
but
nothing
on
the
on
the
schedule.
For
now
these
are
the
metrics.
Nothing
really
jumped
out
at
me
when
I
did
these.
It
looked
like
a
pretty
typical
week.
If
anything,
it
was
a
little
lower
activity
than
usual.
Just
in
terms
of
the
number
of.
C
A
Of
posts
number
of
likes,
only
one
badge
request
just
kind
of
a
slow
week,
but
nothing
too
out
of
the
ordinary
from
the
hub
picked
up
a
couple
of
posts
of
interest.
A
Rick
williams
posted
about
he's
working
with
a
veterinary
surgeon
to
come
up
with
a
prosthetic
foot
for
a
dog,
and
that
had
some
interest,
so
they're
gonna
be
doing
some
3d
scans,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
this,
but
I
don't
know
looked
like
something
that
might
be
of
interest
the
link's
there
bob
posted
about
a
request
for
a
device
from
someone
in
iraq
and
tagged
ahmad
and
there's
a
comment
from
peter
smith.
Oh,
I
think
he's
a
newer
volunteer.
A
That's
more
of
a
general
comment.
Anyway
looks
like
we
have
a
need
and
just
point
that
out.
If
anyone
happens
to
be
in
that
area
and
then
ben
put
out
our
call
for
10-year
anniversary
videos,
we
talked
about
this
last
time
of
maybe
just
trying
to
collect
video
clips
from
people
throughout
the
community
chapters.
Individuals
tell
us
about
your
experiences.
Share
a
project
talk
about.
You
know
how
it's
impacted.
A
You
maybe
get
one
of
your
device
users
on
camera,
anything
like
that
and
we
can
put
together
a
really
nice
sort
of
celebratory
highlight
reel
for
our
10
year
anniversary.
So
that's.
A
That's
true
that
could
be
another
good
intern
project
to
help
gather
and
collate
and
do
video
editing
and
you
don't
have
to
be
a
long
time
enabler
to
do
that.
You
just
need
to
have
some
video
editing
experience.
That
could
be
a
good
one.
C
And
by
the
way
it
doesn't
have
to
be
comprehensive
when
I
start
by
collecting
all
of
them
collected.
So
we
talked
about
collecting
enough
wonderful
ones
for
our
purposes,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
wonderful
ones
to
be
that
we
have
true.
A
So,
okay
upcoming
meetings,
we've
got
the
focus,
follow-up
or
dewey.
Today
ben
there's
a
little
bit
about
that.
D
D
Or
if
he
had
a
recording
so
well
I
mean
it's
it's
in
two
hours,
so
I'm
yeah.
A
So
we're
gonna
have
to
say
that
today's
focus
follow-up
is
tentative.
You
know
if,
if
there
is
one,
obviously
there
will
be
a
recording
for
everyone
to
enjoy.
D
Yeah
and
his
work
is
already
he
did
share,
basically
what
we're
hoping
to
cover
earlier
so.
D
A
D
A
So
then
I
guess
that
would
be
the
last
event
of
the
month.
So
there's
nothing
else
to
go
through
here.
Anything
that
you
want
to
share
about
the
upcoming
events
for
april
ben.
D
Sure
we'll
be
starting
out
with
a
bionics
meeting
looking
at
the
the
moto
gripper
there's
some
some
work
that
skip
and
john
have
been
looking
into
kind
of
having
a
summary
of
of
how
that
project
came
together.
Skip's
been
looking
at
other
chapters
that
have
been
doing
some
work
on
that
and
reached
out
to
some
folks
in
thailand
and
different
places,
so
that'll
be
a
pretty
exciting
session.
D
I
think,
because
it's
going
to
be
looking
at
more
of
the
the
low
tech
and
the
value
of
that
rather
than
you
know,
bionics
sometimes
can
be
the
you
know
the
high
tech
sort
of
exclusive
stuff.
So
we
also
have
jeff
powell
who's
going
to
join
us
for
the
education
meeting
and
I'm
still
going
back
and
forth
with
pope
paraguay
but
they've
been
doing
some
recent
lower
limb
advances
and
they
wanted
to
share
some
of
that
work
with
enable.
So.
D
And
then
I
guess
john
was
thinking
about
for
the
chapter
spotlight,
having
a
focus
on
current
events
in
europe
and
having
the
european
chapters
come
together
and
sort
of
brainstorm.
A
Great
and
that
one
is
when
second
monday,
where
would
that
put
us,
I'm
just
curious
what
that
date
is.
D
Great
I'll
be
getting
out
the
april
list
soon.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
doing
all
that
each
month,
ben
sure,
I
don't
have
any
one-time
events
on
the
schedule
right
now,
but
if
you
know
there,
I
there's
these
always
pop
up
and
they
don't
have
to
be
enable
events
like
that.
One
from
the
finished
medical
event
was
a
great
example.
If
anybody
comes
across
things
like
that,
that
might
be
of
interest
or
relevance
be
sure
to
either
you
know,
drop
them
in
here
or
shoot
me
an
email,
anything
and
I'll
add
them.
But
let's,
let's
get
those
in
here.
A
Okay,
so
on
we
go
to
our
discussion
topics,
and
I
I
inserted
a
new
one
here
that
I
think
we
should
talk
about
first,
because
it's
going
to
sort
of
color
these
other
discussions,
and
that
is
just,
I
think,
it's
time
to
have
a
discussion
about
some
sort
of
changes
that
have
been
happening
around
here
in
the
in
the
u.s
region
and
how
we
move
forward.
A
Among
those
are
our
bob
who's
going
to
be
retiring
in
the
not
too
distant
future
from
some
of
the
roles
that
he's
been
handling
as
far
as
the
help
desk
the
badging
process
and
case
facilitation
and
chapter
moves
administration.
Thank
you.
Bob
john
and
myself
are
both
tied
up
in
other
activities
that
are
taking
more
of
our
time.
A
So
we're,
certainly
not
you
know
withdrawing
or
retiring
from
enable,
but
both
of
us
are
in
a
position
where
we
have
far
less
time
available
outside
of
meetings,
certainly
compared
to
what
we
used
to,
and
that's
we've
been
seeing
that
that's
starting
to
impact
us
and
create
challenges,
and
we've
got
several
other
key
volunteers
that
are
just
you
know.
A
I
think
this
is
more
relevant
to
sort
of
the
u.s
operations
of
enable-
I
guess
we
would
say,
or
the
english-speaking
part
of
the
community-
and
I
say
that,
because
we
have
so
many
other
regions
that
have
taken
a
different
approach
where
they
have
established
very
strong
chapters
with
strong
leadership
and
they
it's
almost
like
they're,
run
more
like
traditional
organizations,
you
know
within
the
context
of
their
region
here
in
the
us,
we
kind
of
took
that
alternate
approach
of
sticking
to
the
kind
of
the
non-organization
thing
of
saying
it's
just
it's
all.
A
Volunteers
nobody's
in
charge,
there's
no
central
leadership,
and
that
certainly
has
some
some
attractive
elements
to
it.
A
But
it
also
has
some
challenges
right,
because
we've
we've
made
ourselves
reliant
upon
specific
individuals
and
individuals
and
their
availability
changes
over
time,
and
so
I
don't
know,
maybe
it's
time
to
talk
about
just
sort
of
how
we're
doing
things
are
there
lessons
that
can
be
learned
in
light
of
these
developments
from
some
of
our
other
chapters
and
how
they're
doing
things-
and
I
just
kind
of
like
to
open
this
up
for
discussion,
we
will
have
to
talk
about
these
specific
roles
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
specifically
going
to
need
to
find
people
to
start
helping
us
with.
A
B
And
I
am
literally
today,
shipping
to
a
recipient,
my
31st
actual
device
in
four
years
and,
as
you
know,
I've
been
involved
in
a
number
of
levels,
but
here's
here's.
My
conclusion,
I
think
enable
is
a
wonderful
organization,
but
I
think
we
are
most
effective
and
therefore
there
are
areas
of
least
effectiveness
or
lesser
effectiveness.
B
B
I
get
no
responses,
so
I
have
received
response
that
so-and-so
liked
their
device
for
a
couple
days
they
played
with
it.
It
was
a
toy
in
the
case
of
children.
They
showed
it
off
at
school.
It
was
cool,
but
you
know,
I
guess
what
I've
learned
is
that
people
with
limb
differences
get
along
just
fine
in
a
lot
of
cases
and
the
device
is
a
novelty
it's
fun,
but
as
a
long-term
daily
tool,
it
doesn't
exist.
B
Unless
perhaps
you
know
in
the
organizations
like
brazil
and
france,
when
somebody
needs
it
for
work
and
they
can
be
seen
physically
and
followed
up
with
physically,
then
I
think
it's
most
effective.
So
my
bottom
line
is,
I'm
not
sure
enable
is
all
that
effective
for
individual
internet
operators
like
myself.
A
C
You
raise
several
really
good
dimensions
here
and
it
might
be
worth
developing
a
collection
of
relevant
factors,
but
you've
talked
about
the
remote
service
model
and
I
think
you're,
right
about
the
challenges
of
the
remote
service
model
and
you've
talked
about
the.
A
D
C
B
Very
true,
very
true,
and
therefore
it
does
add
value
in
that
sense,
I.
A
All
right,
but
I
wanna
I
wanna,
so
I'm
gonna
dig
in
another
aspect
of
this,
because
bob
bob
is
zeroing
in
on
kind
of
the
delivery
side
of
things
and
we'll
come
back
to
the
the
bigger
picture
operational
side
of
things
a
little
later,
but
for
now
let's
stay
with
this,
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying
that
it's
definitely
beneficial
to
have
direct
physical
access
to
be
able
to
work
directly
with
recipients,
but
you
suggest
that
as
an
individual
not
affiliated
with
a
chapter,
it
sounds
like
you're
saying
your
only
option
is
to
kind
of
do
things
remotely
through
the
internet.
A
Did
you
ever
explore
finding
people
more
locally,
that
you
could
have
physical
access
to?
Did
you
find
that
was
not
a
possibility
or
what
was
your
experience
with
that?
With
that.
B
It's
good
question:
jeremy,
limited
experience.
You
know,
I
think
a
lot
depends
on
how
long
you've
been
in
a
community
what
activities
you're
involved
with.
I
can
say
that
here
in
westerly
rhode
island,
I
am
pretty
plugged
into
a
number
of
volunteer
organizations,
including
my
church,
and
there
is
nobody
that
knows
of
anyone
with
a
limb
difference.
I
have
asked
now
that
doesn't
mean
they
don't
exist
of
course,
but
you
know
it's
not
like
they're
they're
knocking
on
your
door
either.
B
So
you
know
I
ran
a
hot
dog
sale
once
remember
that
that's
right
fundraising!
So
I
you
know,
I've
tried
a
few
things
and
I
can
and
I've
certainly
spoken
to
civic
organizations,
church
organizations
here
nobody
ever
popped
up
as
a
recipient
locally,
okay
and.
D
One
of
the
things
that
seems
like
it
comes
up
when
we
have
these
discussions
is
that
there's,
there's
sort
of
these
extremes
of
you
know,
groups
of
makers
that
are
looking
for
ways
to
help
and
there's
nobody
that
they
can
find
you
know
in
in
their
region.
D
Then
there's
also
areas
like
the
dominican
republic
and
parts
of
india,
where
it
seems
like
there's
very
little
access
to
the
technology
to
make
devices,
or
sometimes
the
knowledge
and
the
connections
between
this
or
hostile
services
and
that
stuff.
That's
all
sort
of
these
emerging
trends
that
are
coming
up
and
there's
there's
a
lot.
I
mean
dominican
republic,
there's
a
thousand
people
on
the
waiting
list,
one
of
the
things
that
that
also
flips,
this
upside
down
is
looking
at
lower
limbs
internationally.
D
So
where
that's
a
big
obstacle
in
the
us
because
of
liability
and
because
of
you
know
our
fda
regulations
other
places,
that's
really
the
there's,
not
a
secondary
option.
There
are
no
affordable
devices.
So
there's
all
these
new
open
source,
lower
limb
devices.
I
think
70
percent
of
the
the
people
in
the
dominican
republic
of
those
1
000
are
lower
limb
and
that's
the
difference
between
getting
around
crutches
and
and
having
a
device
that
allows
you
that
kind
of
mobility
is
huge.
D
That's
all
very
important,
but
I
I
do
wonder
if
the
there's,
this
separation
there's
areas
of
extreme
need
and
then
there's
areas
where
there's
there's
little
to
no
need
to
be
found
after
re
lots
of
research,
and
our
model
has
been
at
times
to
deliver
things
to
a
spot
that
doesn't
have
the
infrastructure
to
sort
of
continue
that
process
and
do
the
follow-up
and
that
kind
of
stuff
or.
D
Something
like
what
dean
rock
and
his
team
has
done,
which
is
this
long-term
investment
going
over
spending
time,
supporting
local
actors
to
build
a
national
presence,
connecting
the
dots
between
universities
and
and
rotaries,
and
but
it's
a
much
longer
cultivation
process.
It's
not
something
that
you
can.
You
know
whip
out
in
a
weekend
and-
and
I
do
feel
like
the
learning
curve
that
I
found
myself
going
through,
is
really
appreciating
that
process
and
recognizing
the
some
of
the
limitations
that
bob's
mentioning
I'll
pass
it
to
john.
C
So
there
are
regional
geographic
differences
and
there
are
regional
bodily
differences
and
they
interact.
As
you
point
out,
lacking
a
lower
limb
is
a
very
big
deal.
I
think
anywhere.
You
are
lacking
a
hand
or
some
fingers
is
actually,
I
think,
quite
troubling,
to
people
in
certain
cultures
and
I
think
in
america
it
isn't
you
can
get.
I
mean,
there's
no
question
that
functionally
you
can
get
by
quite
fine,
but
in
certain
parts
of
the
world
there
is
a
stigma,
both
internal
and
external.
C
The
way
you
feel
and
the
way
people
treat
you,
which
is
a
concern.
I
know
that
when
I
was
in
honduras,
there
was
a
memorable
day
when
I
met
two
of
enable
honduras's
recipients
and,
to
my
surprise,
they
both
wore
their
device.
Every
day
they
told
me,
I
believed
them.
I
really
do
believe.
I
believe
the
mentor,
because
one
of
them
was
a
metal
worker
who
actually
had
re-engineered
a
metal
version
of
the
very
same,
enable
arm
that
he
had.
C
So
he
put
a
lot
of
time
into
it
and
he
was
very
proud
of
it
and
he
told
me
that
he
wore
it
every
day
and
he
said
he
wore
it
every
day
to
go
to
the
bar
with
his
buddies
and
just
feel
part
of
the
gang
and
to
be
able
to
do
fist
bumps
right.
So
there
are,
there
are
big
cultural
differences
and
I
think
two
two
points
there.
So
at
this
point
I
think
I've
enumerated
five
factors:
right:
there's,
geography,
there's
age,
there's
psychological
significance,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
C
C
You
know
an
enabled
chapter
or
an
individual
who's,
making
a
big
difference
for
people
who
really
want
it
that
might
be,
for
example,
dean,
rock
and
dominican
republic,
or
enable
turkey
or
some
of
these
other
cases,
and
there
are
other
places
where
they
don't
line
up
quite
right
and
it's
still
a
good
learning,
experience
etc.
But
it's
not
sort
of
realizing
the
full
vision.
C
Last
week
I
had
the
opportunity
to
review
a
quite
comprehensive
study
that
saif
savage
is
submitting
for
publication,
which
looks
at
four
countries
and
deals
with
at
least
dozens
of
cases
and
is
the
most
comprehensive
study
of
enable
around
cultures
that
I
have
seen.
I
don't
think
it's
quite
ready
for
publication
yet,
but
it's
an
impressive
study
and
it
has
a
number
of
these
observations
about
where
things
break
down.
C
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
the
kind
of
situation
we
have
and
I
think
bob
who,
by
the
way,
has
done
huge
service
to
the
network
in
addition
to
the
work
he's
done
with
with
his
31
direct
recipients,
is
a
good
example
of
someone
who
fell
as
as
a
as
a
maker
and
a
device
maker
fell
into
a
non-sweet
spot.
B
B
B
Oh
just
two
quick
comments:
I
in
no
way
shape
or
form
do
I
consider
my
involvement
to
have
been
a
failure
or
anything
I'm
just
saying.
B
To
address
ben's,
lower
limb,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
we
would
encounter
what
I
would
term
mission
creep
a
little
bit,
because
I
don't
think
you
can
directly
3d
print
lower
limbs.
B
I
think
you
suddenly
get
into
a
whole
realm
of
other
technologies,
skills
and
crafts,
including
metalworking
and
things
like
that,
even
in
poor
countries.
B
So
you
know
I
would
say-
and
I
do
believe
that
lo
there
are
probably
more
lower
limb
needs
because
of
land
mines
and
things
like
that
in
places
of
the
world
than
than
perhaps
hands.
But
I'm
not
sure
we
we
can
say
it's
3d,
printing
anymore.
It
would,
it
would
probably
be
expanded
capability
which
the
average
person
may
not
have.
D
It's
it's
less,
I
mean
this
is
secondary.
I
was
really
surprised
to
see
how
most
of
it
is
3d
printed
and
they
can
just
use
a
pipe,
but
at
the
same
point,
you're
right
that
there's
this
this
expanded
scope,
that's
been
a
part
of,
I
think
the
last
couple
years.
The
pandemic
really
was
a
shift.
You
know
big
tectonic
plate
making
its
movements,
and
you
know
I
do
feel
like.
D
After
some
of
those
initial
waves,
there
was
a
shift
back
to
3d
printed
prosthetic
upper
limb
devices,
but
you
know
I
have
noticed
in
recent
meetings
that
a
lot
of
the
people
that
are
involved
are
involved
in
things
that
used
to
be
outside
of
the
scope
of
enable
that
suddenly
feel
like
it's.
It's
all
a
sort
of
a
similar,
slightly
larger
umbrella,
but
yeah.
What
is
the
define?
What
defines
you
know
that
larger
umbrella
is
sort
of
an
organic
moving
target.
C
A
A
We
don't
want
to
get
too
far
into
this
because
that's,
I
think,
a
different
topic.
Lower
limbs,
I
think,
have
some
different
implications
here
in
the
us,
because
the
fda
has
been
pretty
clear
that
they
would
not
be
looking
the
other
way
if
we
started
doing
lower
limb
devices.
So
I
I
think,
there's
some
different
concerns
based
on
the
region
with
that
and
the
oversight
that's
involved,
I
see
andrew
has
his
hand
up
and
then
john
wanted
to
go
up
a
level
from
what
he
was
saying
before
so
andrew.
E
Oh,
a
quick
recap
of
my
like
whole
enable
experience
during
the
pandemic.
We
were
3d
printing
ppe.
We
had
three
printers
going
at
one
point:
it
was
a
really
good
experience
really
enjoyed
the
ability
to
apply
those
skills
like
a
humanitarian
cause
and
then
the
demand
for
the
3d
printed
ppe
dried
up.
We
had
lots
of
stacks
stuff
laying
around
nobody
was
claiming
it
after
facebook
posts
and
stuff.
E
So
I
was
looking
for
like
a
new
opportunity
to
be
able
to
shift
that
that
skill
set
and
our
our
3d
printing
hardware
into
some
other
kind
of
humanitarian
project.
I
remember
seeing
a
cool
youtube
video
about
some
guy,
making
a
open
source
3d
printed
bionic
hand.
I
was
like,
oh,
maybe,
there's
communities
out
there
that
I
could
find
that
are
doing
similar
kind
of
projects
googled
for
a
while
found
enable
and
found
the
closest
chapter
to
me,
which
is
badger,
hands
and
madison.
E
E
So
I
kind
of
looked
around
for
stuff
to
do.
E
I
got
connected
with
ward
and
we
started
working
on
on
the
phoenix
remodel
and
on
shape,
and
that
led
to
me
being
on
the
collaborative
design
team
where
I
learned
about
the
evo
and
we
got
working
on
the
software,
but
my
experience
was
essentially.
I
came
in
because
I
knew
that
you
guys
were
3d
printing
devices
and
I
wanted
to
help-
and
I
found
that's
just
not
really
what
my
local
community
needs
and
there's
not
much.
E
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
folks
who
have
who
have
like
the
the
knowledge,
work,
skills
and
the
energy
and
the
will
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
kind
of
research
and
development
projects,
designing
and
prototyping
new
devices.
Software
stuff,
like
that,
we
just
don't
have
that
much
local
need
for
3d
printing.
E
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
so
I
think
one
of
the
really
cool
ways
that
we
could
leverage
the
unique
strengths
of
the
place
that
we
come
from
this
place
I
come
from,
is
to
have
a
particular
focus
on
research
and
development
and
really
expanding
our
catalog
of
devices.
E
Because
these
these
generalist
devices,
like
the
evo
we've
got
coming
up,
are
awesome,
especially
now
that
we
can
get
the
parametric
they're
going
to
function
and
fit
better.
But
there's
just
a
lot
of
people
whose
needs
can't
really
be
filled
by
a
device.
That's
not
as
not
as
precise
or
strong
as
as
as
someone's
hand
would
be
otherwise.
E
But
there's
lots
of
interesting
situations
where
someone
has
a
unique
need
that
we
could
meet
if
we
had
some
r
d
design,
muscle
applied
to
it
like
coming
up
with
specific
devices
for
specific
cases
and
stuff,
and
I
think
a
cool
way
that
we
could
increase
the
amount
of
of
utility
that
we
can
get
as
an
organization
would
be
to
focus
our
efforts
on
increasing
the
pool
of
these.
Of
these
more
specific
devices
like
how
how
it
was
mentioned
that
somebody
had
specifically
modified
their
hand
for
the
kind
of
work
they're
doing.
E
E
So
if
there
are
specific
jobs
where
people
need
a
prosthetic
to
be
able
to
perform
that,
we
could
invest
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
r
d
muscle
to
come
up
with
a
prototype
of
a
device
and
then
just
share
it
with
the
broader
community,
especially
now
that
we've
got
some
platforms
and
software
in
the
works.
That
would
make
it
easier
for
us
to
widely
distribute
those
models
and
make
them
accessible
to
everybody.
C
But
that
I
think,
brings
us
to
the
question
of
and
who
and
how
are
we
going
to
organize
such
efforts?
I
think
andrew's
point
is
a
good
one
ben
points
out
that
half
of
the
american
chapters
are
university
chapters,
and
so
the
notion
of
really
organizing
an
r
d
network
is
a
really
powerful
idea.
C
Frankly,
that's
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
talk
to
eric
bubar
about
because
he's
actually
gone
from
a
local
enabled
volunteer
to
all
to
a
productive
chapter.
He
changed
his
career
at
marymount
and
now
there's
a
whole
program
in
biomedical
engineering,
but
whether
he
or
they
are
in
a
position
to
model
or
orchestrate
a
whole
university
network
brings.
A
A
Well
so
andrew
raises
a
really
good
point
about
you
know,
at
least
here
in
the
u.s.
Maybe
the
focus
isn't
about
making
devices
for
people.
Maybe
the
focus
is
on
other
ways
that
we
can
help
the
community.
Now
he
focused
on
r
d
and
design,
which
I
think
is
a
wonderful
way
that
we
can
contribute
another
way.
A
Perhaps
is
we
have
a
lot
of
online
infrastructure
that
is
designed
not
just
to
support
the
us,
but
our
entire
global
community,
to
whatever
extent
possible,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
there
and
so
another?
A
One
of
the
roles
that
we
have
already
in
our
sort
of
list
of
champion
needs
is
a
sort
of
a
web
development,
lead
role,
and
so
we're
talking
about
two
kind
of
lead
roles
here:
a
lead
kind
of
developer
role,
somebody
to
oversee
all
development
efforts
and
somebody
to
oversee
r
d
and
design
efforts,
and
those
could
be
two
really
key
areas
of
contribution
coming
out
of.
You
know
this
area
of
the
world
to
support
the
broader
community.
A
That's
not
just
about
3d
printing
stuff
that
that
isn't
really
a
need
here.
So
I
I
really
like
that
approach
as
as
a
way
of
dealing
with
our
kind
of
unique
situation
here
I
don't
know
what
do
you
think
ben.
D
I
think
it's
a
really
great
point,
one
of
the
the
ways
that
we
can
move
forward.
I
think,
through
this,
this
transition
point
is
to
think
about
specific
roles,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be.
You
know
enable
as
a
whole
does
this
or
the
us,
you
know,
needs
to
sort
of
shift
in
one
way
or
the
other,
but
just
recognizing
what
we
already
have
going.
You
know,
what's
what's
developing,
that
could
use
sort
of
some
cultivation
or
a
gardener.
A
We
do
have
well,
I
was
just
going
to
say
ben,
that
might
be
a
good
lead-in
to
our.
The
list
of
kind
of
champion
needs
that
we've
collected,
which
I
have
expanded
to
include
the
things
that
you
know
bob
is
is
retiring
from,
and
so
we
have
kind
of
a
longer
list
here,
but
we
can
kind
of
go
through
this
if
that
would
be
helpful
great
all
right.
So,
let's
just
run
through
it
first
just
kind
of
see.
A
If
this
helps
provide
some
context,
then
we
can
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
key
ones.
So
there
were
two
the
two
leadership
roles
that
I
mentioned:
there's
a
web
development
software
development
leader
and
coordinator
and
then
there's
the
r
d
department,
tech
leader
coordinator.
So
those
are
the
two
that
we
were
just
talking
about
and
a
lot
of
these
others
might
be
in
support,
or
you
know,
overseen
by
those,
and
some
of
them
will
be
separate.
A
We've
got
a
needs,
analysis
and
plan
development
for
the
matching
platform,
I'm
thinking
that
would
be
overseen
by
the
web
development
lead.
We
need
somebody
to
revise
our
web
presence
to
update
our
websites,
bring
together
this
new
matching
platform.
If
that's,
what
we
choose
to
use
the
enabling
the
future
site,
the
hub
just
make
things
more,
you
know
streamlined
to
give
a
more
unified
experience
for
the
people
coming
to
us
and
trying
to
find
their
way
that
again,
would
be
overseen
by
our
developer
lead.
A
A
I
guess
I'll
just
say:
video
editor
for
a
10-year
anniversary
video,
so
that
would
be
a
specific
project
with
a
start
and
end
someone
to
develop
international
partnerships
and
collaborations
we've
talked
about
an
outreach
coordinator
for
just
getting
the
word
out,
letting
people
know
what
we
can
offer
to
try
to
find
more
people
who
are
in
need
of
devices
that
don't
know
about
us
organizers
for
our
recurring
meetings.
So
somebody
to
do
you
know
somebody
to
just
kind
of
keep
these
meeting
agendas
running,
make
sure
that
we
have
guest
speakers
for
these
meetings.
A
A
We
have
an
editor
for
youtube,
video,
captions,
oh,
and
by
the
way
I
meant
to
try
this
out
today,
guys
that
zoom
actually
has
built-in
live
annotations
now,
so
you
can
actually-
which
I
didn't
mean
annotations
transcriptions.
A
So
and
it's
it's
funny
now
they
just
did
an
update
this
morning
and
now
they
put
it
under
the
more
menu.
So
now
it's
under
more
of
the
three
dots
you
can
say,
live
transcript
and
I'll
just
say
enable
and
so
now
what
you're
you're
gonna
you
should
have,
and
how
do
you
get
to
that?
I
think
under
the
more
a
viewful
transcript.
Now
I
don't
think
you
guys
are
seeing
my
window,
but
you
should
in
your
zoom
toolbar.
A
You
should
be
able
to
see
if
you
go
under
the
more
button.
You
should
be
able
to
say
view
transcript
and
you'll
see.
Not
only
is
it
transcribing
what
we're
saying,
but
the
benefit
of
this
over
zoom
is
it's
actually
showing
who's
saying
it
because
it
knows
who's
talking,
so
you
actually
get
a
transcript
with
people's
names
and
what
they're
saying,
which
I
think
is
really
nice
now
the
question
is:
does
this
actually
flow
through
to
youtube?
I
don't
think
it
does,
but
that's
why
I
wanted
to
test
this
here.
A
D
A
A
So
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
I'll
leave
it
running,
so
that
was
the
we
were
looking
at
editor
for
youtube
video
captions.
That
was
why
I
mentioned
that.
Maybe
this
would
help
us.
Maybe
it's
a
matter
of
copying
and
pasting
this
into
to
use
as
a
starting
point
for
youtube.
Captions,
don't
know,
but
that's
another
tool.
We
have
manage
the
enable
help
desk
and
respond
to
incoming
inquiries,
monitor
incoming
badge,
requests,
review,
evidence
and
award
badges.
A
Of
course,
the
one
that
I
forgot
here
is
review
new
chapter
submissions
and
approve
new
chapters,
monitor
ewc
cases
or
alternate
matching
platform
and
help
with
any
issues.
That's
the
case
facilitation
role
and
we
had
an
extra
that's
a
double
okay,
so
those
are
the
the
kind
of
the
roles
that
we've
captured
recently.
I
see
that
ben's
doing
some
revisions
here.
So
putting
things
into
me:
oh
john,
okay,
so,
under
the
topic
of
service
coordinator
he's
grouping
some
things:
okay,.
C
A
Yeah,
it's
a
good
idea
to
do
some,
organizing
and
and
it'll
also
help
us
to
see.
Like
I
said,
we've
got
a
couple
of
key
like
lead
roles
and
it's
going
to
be
helpful
to
look
at
which
of
these
are
going
to
be
overseen,
by
which
other
roles
and
that
sort
of
thing
you'll
start
to
see
how
these
relate
to
one
another.
So
that's
worth
doing.
D
Right,
you
know
one
of
the
the
things
that
pops
up.
You
know
we've
been
talking
about
interns
and
getting
universities
to
be
involved
in
the
sort
of
the
r
d
process
that
andrew
emphasized,
and
it
really
does
seem
like
we
are
suited
for,
but
I
think
with
universities
in
some
ways
you
get
this
dedicated
focus
and
initiative
and
momentum
and-
and
you
know
fresh
eyes,
but
you
it's
it's
a
pretty
fast
turnaround.
So
you
get
somebody
to
work
on
a
project
and
then
they're
out
the
door.
D
So
some
things
that's
ideal,
for
you
know
like
an
event,
some
things,
it's
a
challenge
for
like
incoming
requests,
or
you
know
if
you
have
three
months
in
between
responding
to
messages
you're
going
to
feel
it
so
that
that
is
something
to
think
about.
Is
you
know?
Maybe
we
can
sort
of
separate
some
of
this
stuff
into
what
could
be
these
these
sprints
and
what
really
needs
to
be
more
of
a
regular
moderation
in
the
capacity
that
bob
has
been
contributing.
C
You
know
I
think
there
are.
There
are
two
elephants
in
the
room
which
I
don't
want
to
neglect.
C
One
is
that,
if,
as
we
have
found
that
unless
we
increase
our
flow
of
recipients
who
really
want
these
devices,
the
big
investment
in
a
matching
platform
is
is
inappropriate.
C
A
C
A
Do
want
to.
I
just
want
to
jump
in
quickly
on
that
john,
because
I
want
to
point
out
that
number
one
there's
not
necessarily
a
big
investment.
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
it
and
figure
out
which
way
we
want
to
go.
But
if
we
want
to
adopt
say
the
platform
that
was
shared
with
us
by
our
friends
and
friends,
there
might
not
be
a
lot
of
effort
in
spinning
that
up-
and
I
also
just
want
to
point
out
that
that
matching
platform
is
by
no
means
just
to
serve
the
u.s.
A
C
Well,
that
brings
me
to
the
other
point
I
wanted
to
make
and
that's
the
higher
level
thing.
This
has
been
an
interesting
discussion
about
what
should
be
this,
the
focus
of
what
I
will
now
call,
even
though
we've
never
actually
declared
the
existence
of
enable
us
where
I
think
we
have
a
particular
set
of
capabilities
and
limitations
which
we've
been
discussing
up
until
now
in
google.
C
Us
is
part
of
a
much
larger
network
and
for
reasons
of
history,
jeremy
and
I
at
least
have
sort
of
adopted
the
mantle
of
co-founders
of
enable
international
and
yet
we're
not
right.
We,
we,
this
global
network,
has
got
its
own,
multiple
directions
of
momentum,
and
I
think,
given
that
jeremy
and
john
want
to
stay
involved
with
enable,
but
are
going
to
be.
C
I
I
said
that,
as
if
the
answer
is
clear,
and
it's
not
even
that
clear
and
I
will
say
that
I
think
that
the
series
of
meetings
that
ben
has
put
together,
in
particular
for
chapter
leaders
and
on
themes,
is
a
really
interesting
and
still
developing
models
for
an
international
service
that
plays
a
really
valuable
role.
C
Someone,
I
think,
really
ought
to
continue
the
process
of
bringing
chapters
from
around
the
world
into
contact
with
each
other
and
whether
that's
another
one
of
our
particular
specialties
or
whether
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
on
by
the
larger
community
is
an
interesting
question.
But
my
point,
my
real
point
is
that
there
are
those
of
us
who
show
up
at
this
meeting
responsibly
every
week
and
review
these
issues
and
then
there's
the
much
larger
network
that
we're
all
interested
in.
C
B
C
This
is,
we
do
have
a
chapters
meeting
coming
up
and
while
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
europe,
that's
going
to
be,
I
think,
the
beginning
of
a
focus
on
the
globe.
I
think
we
will
introduce
these
same
issues
at
the
next
chapter
leaders
meeting
we'll
talk
about
where
they're
at
because,
in
fact
our
most
sophisticated
chapters
to
my
knowledge
are
in
europe.
Thailand
comes
to
mind
as
an
interesting
other
case
and
they're
a
bit
preoccupied
right
now,
but
I
think
yeah.
D
C
See
a
trilogy
of
conversations
this
one
about
enable
us
a
next
one
about
enable
in
europe
and
europe
as
a
shaper
of
current
events
and
the
third
one
about
enable
globally,
and
that
would
be
actually
a
nice
way
of
sort
of
trying
to
take
stock
of
what.
What
has
happened
since
day.
One
about
10
years
ago.
B
I
I
have
to
sign
off
here
in
a
minute
or
two,
but
let
me
throw
out
a
thought.
Maybe
a
paid
quote-unquote
international
coordinator
is
something
that
this
organization
needs
to
morph
to
a
little
bit.
A
I
was
thinking
the
same
thing
I
mean
if
we
we
are
sort
of
the
central
fundraising
arm,
at
least
for
now,
for
the
community,
in
the
sense
that
we
are
maintaining
and
managing
the
enable
fund
which
is
not
being
well
utilized
for
projects.
I
do
think
it's
time
to
think
about
maybe
more
than
one
potentially
paid
role
that
might
be
sort
of
based
here
in
the
u.s,
but
focused
on
facilitating
the
larger
needs
of
the
community
beyond
just
making
devices
some
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
here.
A
A
Well
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say
just
based
on
what
john
was
saying,
I
I
I
just
want
to
point
out
john
and
I
are
not
important.
As
you
know,
what
we
do
is
important,
but
we,
as
you
know,
co-found,
okay,
we
were
both
there
from
the
beginning,
you
know,
but
this
community
has
always
had
a
life
of
its
own.
It's
it's
done
its
thing.
You
know
without
us,
we've
just
been
kind
of
there
to
help
along
the
way.
A
I
don't
think
john
and
I
are
important,
but
somebody
I
think
the
idea
of
people
like
us
that
are
plugged
in
really
investing
significant
amounts
of
energy
over
a
longer
period
of
time
and
not
just
kind
of
the
coming
and
going
that
sometimes
happens.
That
is
important
and
we
are
going
to
need
to
find
more
whether
they're,
volunteer
or
paid
roles.
I
think
ping
people
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
establish
that
longer
term.
You
know
role
with
with
a
community
like
this,
so
I
think
that's
worth
exploring.
C
Alexander
points
out
that
bob
thanks,
I
assume
well
okay.
This
is
if
this
is
goodbye
for
today
and
we'll
see
you.
B
Oh
yeah,
no,
no,
I
my
intention
just
so
you
know
is
I
mean
I'm
not
suddenly
dropping
all
my
activities
and
saying
sayonara,
but
I've
kind
of
said
june
1st,
as
the
point
at
which
I'd
like
to
try
to
transfer
over
my
duties
to
somebody
else
and
jeremy.
I
do
I
am
in
discussions
with
a
potential
replacement.
That's
wonderful!.
A
I
have
to
point
this
out
one
more
thing
guys.
No
I
mean
bob
has
been
such
a
blessing
for
this
organization.
He's
done
so
much
for
us,
but
you
always
you
always
see
you
can
see
so
much
about
a
person
not
just
in
how
they
come
in
and
how
they
work,
but,
most
importantly,
perhaps
how
they
leave
like
bob
said
he's
not
just
like
okay,
I'm
done
I'm
out,
you
know
he's
given
me
several
months
notice
he's
helping
me
to
find
a
replacement.
I
mean
this
is.
This
is
how
you
do
it
guys.
B
We're
not
dropping
a
hot
potato,
but
I
also
know
unless
you
set
a
time
frame.
It
never
happens.
So
you
know
that's
my
intention
and
we'll
work
on
it,
but
I
really
would
I
and
you
know,
let's
not
forget,
there's
another
25
000.
B
This
fall
sitting
out
there,
so
somebody
needs
to
go
out
after
reminding
our
donors
that
that's
there
at
the
time
now.
Perhaps
I'm
still
around
to
do
that,
but
but
I
am
for
all
intents
and
purposes
retiring
that
doesn't
mean
I
can't
be
reached
and
spoken
with
and
always
stay
as
friends
to
everybody.
So,
okay.
C
C
So
alexander
points
out
on
the
youtube
chat
that
any
big
organization
with
volunteers
needs
a
paid
person
to
be
in
charge
and
responsible
for
everything.
So
they
can
be
all
about
that.
A
See
I
don't
disagree
and
I
think
that's
actually
what
we're
seeing
in
some
of
these
other
large
successful
chapters,
like
I
said,
they're
running
themselves
like
an
organization,
I
don't
know
a
lot
of
the
details,
but
I'll
bet
you
that
most
of
those
chapters
that
are
doing
such
wonderful
work
have
a
board
they
have
assigned.
You
know,
officers
that
oversee
things
and
things
like
that
and
when
one
of
those
people
leaves
you
know,
there's
a
clear
replacement.
C
D
Your
hand
went
up
first,
I
was
gonna
say
this
is
a
pretty
interesting
pivot
point
and
I
think
this
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
can
set
this
up
and
pass
it
to
john
to
really
dig
in,
but
it
involves
sort
of
leveling
up.
So
if
you
have
these
activities
that
are
going
on
with
volunteers-
and
you
have
this
sort
of
open
source.
D
Environment
and
ecosystem,
you
know
you
could
have
an
organization
that
sets
its
sights
on
something
specific
and
saying
we
are
going
to
cultivate
the
open
source
design
catalog.
We
are
going
to
manage
sort
of
a
fund
pool
we're
going
to
do
x,
y
and
z,
but
that's
it's
within
this
larger,
more
fluid
community
space,
and
I
feel
like
in
the
past
I
mean
john.
You
can
probably
talk
to
this
specifically
replacing
one
with
the
other.
D
D
C
Right-
and
I
I
I
was
describing
alexander's
comment-
not
necessarily
endorsing
the
notion
that
it's
time
to
become
a
traditional
organization,
as
you
have
alluded,
we
did
early
on
become
a
traditional
organization
and
it
was
an
unsuccessful
effort
and
it
was
actually
strongly
resisted
by
the
community.
C
Now
that
may
be,
because
it
was
premature,
and
now
it
may
be,
that
we
are
mature
or
even
post-mature
or
it
may
be,
because
there
is
still
a
mismatch
between
the
vision
that
we
do
of
a
network
of
semi-autonomous
chapters
versus
not
so
it's
it's
a
big,
rich,
deep
and
interesting
question,
and
it's
not.
C
The
answer
is
not
clear
to
me,
but
I
think
the
notion
of
an
international
coordinator
or
a
paid
servant
ceo,
if
you
will-
and
I
put
servant
up
front
because
I
do
think
that
responding
to
the
needs
of
the
community
is-
is
critical
or
possibly
offering
our
funds
to
someone
in
one
of
these
overseas
chapters
who
would
take
on
that
role
of
international
communicator.
A
So
we
have
a
couple
of
examples
to
look
at.
You
alluded
to
the
enable
community
foundation
that
we
tried
years
back
here
in
the
u.s
which
failed,
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
reason
behind
that
had
to
do
with
just
the
way
it
was
presented
and
it
was
sort
of
like
you
know.
This
foundation
was
set
up
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
like
we
are
enable.
A
We
speak
for
enabled
city
again
people
kind
of
rejected
that
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
a
better
sort
of
similarly
to
the
enable
alliance,
an
organization
that
was
established
to
support
the
enabled
community,
not.
C
A
To
change
it
not
trying
to
say
we,
you
know
own
you
or
anything
like
that,
but
we're
here
to
provide
some
structure
that
will
help.
You
know
to
support
that
organization.
Now,
they've
kind
of
you
know
done
their
own
things
for
the
most
part
and
other
than
our
conferences.
We
haven't
had
as
much
collaboration
with
them
as
I
would
have
liked,
but
I
think,
as
a
model,
that's
kind
of
what
I
think
alexander
and
ben
are
alluding
to
here
that
there's
the
possibility
of
setting
up
an
actual
organization.
A
That's
run
like
an
organization,
that's
not
trying
to
be
in
charge,
but
is
there
to
do
certain
things
for
the
community,
whether
it's
r
d
or
helping
with
infrastructure,
or
you
know
the
other
things
that
we've
talked
about,
but
that
that
that
group
that
entity,
that's
taking
those
responsibilities
might
be
run
more
like
a
traditional
organization
without
trying
to
claim
ownership
of
anything
beyond
that.
D
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point
and
thinking
about
it
in
terms
of
scale.
You
know
if
you've
got
this,
recognizing
that
what
we're
talking
about
is
primarily
u.s
activities
recognizing
that
there's
other
parts
of
the
world
that
are
a
couple
steps
ahead
of
us
that
have
already
figured
out
how
to
network
nationally
in
some
ways.
So
it's
trying
to
figure
out
locally
what
what
we
can
do
on
this
scale,
but
also
we've
got
all
these
chapters.
D
You
know
in
the
same
way
that
we've
been
setting
up
these
regular
meetings,
inviting
people
from
the
larger
community.
Having
said
that,
though,
I
mean,
I
wonder,
those
other
models
like
turkey
and
france
are
still
primarily
focused
on
production
and
sort
of
those
national
cases,
so
this
would
be
significantly
different.
I
mean
even
as
going
through
the
chapter
status.
You
know
what
we're
talking
about
would
be
sort
of
a
different
path
and
an
important.
A
Path,
it's
interesting,
it
kind
of
fits
in
with.
I
think
it
was
last
week
we
talked
about
that
and
we
actually
modified
the
language
of
the
evidence
required
for
chapters,
and
maybe
it
would
need
some
further
modification,
but
you
know
I
think
at
the
time
I
made
the
point
that
it
should
be.
Just
you
know
show
us
that
you're
contributing
in
some
meaningful
way
to
supporting
our
community.
A
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
making
devices,
and
maybe
this
is
more
an
opportunity
to
further
that
discussion,
but
I
think
we
probably
oh-
we
have
a
question
in
the
chat.
Why,
in
brazil,
does
the
organization
seem
totally
inoperative?
A
C
A
Definitely
reach
out
to
everton
linz
and
contact
information
is
on
our
chapters
map.
If
you
haven't
already
been
there
through
the
hub,
just
go
to
that
brazil
chapter
click
on
it
and
you'll
get
the
contact
details,
email
address,
I
would
reach
out
to
everton
but
yeah.
I
agree
they
they're
probably
just
absorbed
in
their
work.
I'm
not
aware
of
them
changing
anything
significantly,
but
I
was
going
to
say
that's
probably
a
good
point
to
wrap
things
up
for
today.
A
There's
a
lot
more
to
discuss
final
thought
from
alexander
a
chapter
nursery
or
cedar
that
idea
of
having
the
hub
rebranded
as
the
major
u.s
chapter
really
clicks
with
me,
so
leading
or
helping
the
larger
community
is
through
joint
efforts
and
consortiums
okay,
so
he's
just
along
the
same
lines
of
what
we
were
discussing.
So
this.
A
That
we
are
going
to
need
to
continue,
but
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
wrap
things
up
here.
John
you
get.
The
final
word
final.
C
Word
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
discussion.
C
I
propose
to
send
a
link
to
this
video
of
this
discussion
to
all
of
the
chapter
leaders
to
set
the
stage
for
the
next
chapter
leaders
meeting
which
will
focus
on
europe
both
because
I
think
we
can
count
on
them
being
there
and
because
it's
an
acute
issue,
but
then
to
set
the
stage
for
the
larger
discussion
as
well,
because,
I
think
we've,
I
think,
we've
sort
of
profiled
ourselves
and
our
situation
quite
well
in
this
conversation,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do
do
it
serves.
C
D
Yeah,
I
can
work
with
john
on
that,
because
that
I
can
pull
the
list
together.
John,
if
you
want
to
draft
some
language
to
that
as
the
community
leader
for
that
that'd
be
great.
Okay,.
D
Okay
and
alexander
I'll,
send
you
a
a
link,
I'll
email,
you
a
link
and
is
there
anybody
else
that
I
should
include.
I
mean
I
can
include
an
invitation
to
john
and
jeremy,
but
I
assume
that
you
guys
have
other
stuff
going
on
so.