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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - January 15, 2021
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, January 15, 2021.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: http://bit.ly/39EivEa
A
All
right
good
morning,
everyone,
let's
see
here,
okay,
john
and
ben-
are
helping
out
with
notes
and
don't
have
any
new
introductions
today.
So
action
items
we
only
have
two
this
week,
one
for
ben
one
for
me
ben
was
going
to
start
collecting
photos
of
people
wearing
enable
devices
for
a
gallery
that
we
talked
about
any
updates
there.
Ben.
B
A
So
when
we
get
those
images
you
know,
I
I
in
there's
a
gallery
in
the
enable
hub
our
setup
gallery,
so
we
can
add
them
in
there
either.
We
can
create
a
new
gallery
for
this,
or
we
can
use
the
existing
one.
We
need
to
identify
the
device
types
because
I
think
that
was
kind
of
our
goal
here
is
to
show
each
design.
So
I'm
thinking
we
could
do
that
one
of
two
ways:
either
we
could
create.
You
know
separate
subfolders
or
albums
or,
however,
it
works
for
each
design
or
on
each
individual
photo.
A
You
can
actually
put
comments
or
you
know,
notes
or
whatever,
so
you
could
just
when
you
upload
the
photo.
If
you
just
put
something
in
the
comment
there
that
identifies
what
that
design
is,
one
of
those
two
would
be
either.
One
of
those
would
be
fine,
but
we
do
want
to
identify
the
device
type
in
each
photo.
B
Right
and-
and
I
think
it
might
be
worthwhile-
I
mean
again-
this
is
as
far
as
I
understand
it's
going
to
be
sort
of
like
a
maybe
a
one-pager,
something
easy
that
people
can
see
just
to
get
a
sort
of
a
a
feeling
of
of
what's
out
there,
something
less
overwhelming
than
the
whole
list
of
devices
it
probably
you
know,
the
device
type
would
be
great
to
show
a
number
of
different
devices,
also
having
an
international.
C
D
B
People,
you
know,
people
from
you
know,
I'd
love
to
get
some
photos
from
ahmad.
I
thought
I
might
reach
out
to
sierra
leone
right.
You
know,
maybe
even
oh,
what
is
his
name,
the
the
guy
who's.
I
don't
even
know
if
he
has
a
chapter
dean
rock.
He
works
with.
A
B
And
I
thought
I'd
reach
out
also
to
matt
botel
to
get
some
photos
of
the
new
kinetic
hand.
I
also
think
it
might
be
worthwhile
to
to
chat
with
him
about
the
ability
of
you
know,
maybe
helping
him
to
set
up
his
efforts
as
an
able
chapter,
so
we
can
list
it
in
with
these
activities.
We
don't
have
any
chapters
right
now
with
a
chapter
spotlight
in
australia,
but
it'd
be
really
great
to
start
getting
the
kinetic
hand
out
there
more.
It
seems
like
from
from
what
you
guys
have
explored.
A
I
I
agree
it's
it's
interesting.
The
design
is
fantastic
and,
and
has
really
good
potential
and
and
matt
is
doing.
Amazing
work
he's
a
great
guy,
and
you
know
when
we
talk
with
him
he's
you
know,
he's
great
he's
completely
engaged.
He
loves
what
we're
doing
he
wants
to
be
involved,
but
then,
in
between
those
you
know,
discussions
he's
pretty
hard
to
get
a
hold
of.
He
doesn't
really
respond
well
to
emails,
so
I'm
totally
in
favor
of
bringing
him
into
loop.
A
I'm
just
saying
you
may
have
a
hard
time
connecting
with
him
on
that.
I
I
assume
it's
because
he
stays
so
busy
with
his
existing
operation.
I
don't
know.
B
Right,
that's
fair
I'll,
send
him
an
email,
so
that
was
the
third
thing
device
types
international
reach,
some
presence
of
the
kinetic
hand,
and
it's
great
that
nate
popped
in
at
the
the
perfect
timing.
So
also.
B
E
B
E
A
Photos
we
wanna
put
together
gallery
showing
all
the
different
kind
of
designs
that
we
have
available,
but
showing
people
wearing
them.
So
any
photos
that
you
have
are
people
wearing
my
up
devices.
B
E
Okay,
that's
a
push,
I'm
about
ready
to
do
we're,
trying
to
get
that
testing
phase
started
up
next,
but
I'll
I'll.
Look
into
that.
Okay.
E
Okay
ben
is
the
guy
okay,
so
yeah
I'll
I'll
get
him
all
linked
to
the
marketing
folder
after
the
meeting
and
stuff
great.
A
And
then
the
next
action
item
was
for
me
to
send
the
non-flex
parts
for
the
kinetic
hand
that
I'd
already
printed
to
bob
bob
I
had
to
reprint
one
set
because
there
was
a
problem
with
one
of
the
fingers.
So
that's
done
now.
I
just
finished
last
night,
so.
C
C
B
I
got
a
quick
question
before
we
move
topics
I
I
did
notice.
There
was
a
exchange
this
week
with
the
what
was
it
edits
to
the
phoenix
hand,
I
think
yeah.
B
Yeah
when
I
talked
to
him,
he
seemed
really
interested
in
the
connecticut.
Is
that
something
that.
C
His
whole
effort
has
been
to
improve
the
phoenix
v2
we
kind
of
recommended
he
look
at
the
kinetic
hand,
but
that
wasn't
his
real
reason.
He
wants
to
improve
the
phoenix.
So
I
said:
okay,
let's
see
if
we
can
work
together
on
that,
I
said
I
would
make
him
a
kinetic
hand.
You
know
he
he
can't
make
hands,
he
uses
them.
I
said
I'd
make
him
a
kinetic
cam
but
he'd.
Rather,
let's,
let's
get
the
phoenix
done.
First,.
B
Okay,
yeah,
because
when
I
talked
to
him,
it
sounded
like
he
wanted
to
test
a
number
of
devices
and
he's
done
videos
on
other
devices
other
than
the
the
phoenix
so.
C
F
F
That's
been
an
issue
since
the
original
flexing
hand,
it's
intrinsic
to
the
flexible
joints,
also
in
the
kwaw,
and
I
don't
believe
it's
necessary.
I
think
that
we
could
do
something
about
it.
If
we
addressed
it.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
good
point.
I
was
thinking
about
something
like
that
too.
It's,
I
think
the
kinetic
hand,
grip
strength
is
better
noticeably
better
than
other
flexi
hands,
because
I
think
matt
did
a
really
good
job.
Thinking
about
the
the
physics
of
you
know,
the
way,
the
strength,
the
way
the
the
the
hinges
are
placed
and
the
angles-
and
I
I
don't
even
know
exactly
what
it
is
that
goes
into
the
the
amount
of
leverage
that
it
takes.
A
But
I
think
the
grip
strength
is
better,
but
I
agree
it's
not
as
good
as
something
like
a
phoenix
where
you
have
these.
You
know
you
know
the
we
don't
have
that
resistance
of
the
flexible
hinges.
C
I
actually
tried
it
last
week
because
I
have
I
made
all
these,
so
I
I
use
my
test
hand
for
the
flexi
and,
and
the
kinetic,
and
the
feature
I
saw
that
was
different-
is
the
kinetic
the
thumb
if
I
thinking
backwards
here
on
the
kinetic.
The
thumb
goes
in
underneath,
like
that.
B
C
A
Other
the
other
thing
is
keep
in
mind.
The
kinetic
hand
has
those
built-in
fingertip
grips,
which
normally
we've
been
printing
with.
You
know
we
3d
print
those
in
flexible
material,
but
that's
not
the
ideal
way
to
do
it.
The
ideal
way
to
do
it
is
to
use
it
gives
us
a
mold
that
you
can
3d
print
and
then
use
you
know
the
the
two-part
silicone
to
cast
those
tips
and
when
you
do
it
that
way,
he
says
that
the
the
grip
is
excellent.
A
F
They
could
be
like
the
flexible
hinges
only
they
would
simply
be
flaps
of
plastic
that
would
bend
and
to
have
active
open
as
well
as
active
clothes.
That's
the
point,
even
the
phoenix
when
you
close
you're
pulling
against
the
elastics,
and
yet
there's
no
reason
why
you
couldn't
have
extension
opening
the
fingers,
just
as
you
have
flexion
closing
the
fingers.
It
would
require
a
second
set
of
strings,
but
I
did
it
once
on
the
rit
arm
and
it
was
a
totally
different
thing.
F
E
John,
that's
actually
similar
to
how
the
arcs
hand
works.
Although
right
now
it's
got
elastic
cables
in
the
backs
of
the
fingers.
I've
got
a
meeting
with
the
guys
tomorrow,
my
upper
limb
team
to
go
over
changing
those
fingers
to
internalize
the
recoil
spring
and
right
now,
it's
using
tpu
printed
recoils
to
make
the
elastic
action
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
gonna
kind
of
use,
the
exact
same
scenario
but
enclose
them
in
the
back
of
the
finger.
E
So
it's
not
an
open
channel,
so
it
looks
better
and
then
it's
gonna
be
basically
like
what
you're
talking,
although
it
will
go
up
to
metal
springs
in
the
back
of
the
palm
cavity
to
give
the
recoil,
but
they
should
be
light
enough
that
it
doesn't
give
enough
resistance
to
really
counteract
the
grip
strength
and
with
using
transradial
and
and
transhumeral
ones
that
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
gotten
to
see
the
cross
brace
system
we'd
set
up
where
you
mount
it
to
your
natural
arm
and
goes
across
your
back
down
to
the
arm.
E
But
that
dramatically
increases
the
grip
strength.
I
have
a
buddy
who's
got
a
hook
that
was
made
by
my
by
prosthetist
and
that's
the
strap
system.
He
hooked
him
up
with.
It
actually
comes
in
lower
on
your
side
out
to
the
out
to
the
arm,
rather
than
coming
in
up
underneath
your
armpit,
but
it
when
you're
pulling
and
you
don't
have
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
arm
and
then
back
down
the
arm.
A
It's
been
a
long
time
since,
in
my
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
since
we've
done
any
kind
of
collaborative
design
work
where
a
group
of
enabled
people
have
gotten
together
kind
of
collectively
talk
about
pros
and
cons
of
the
current
designs,
and
how
can
we
improve
upon
this
and
kind
of
figuring
out
where
to
go
with
the
new
design?
We
haven't
done
that
in
a
long
time.
It
just
kind
of
makes
me
think,
maybe
maybe
that
would
be
worth
doing.
E
Okay,
that'd
be
awesome,
one
second,
here
ben,
I
think
a
roundtable
discussion
like
that
would
be
a
really
good
thing
and
maybe
the
products
of
what
we
come
up
with
with
this
next
meeting,
we'll
have
a
lot
of
different
hand,
techniques
and
concepts
that
we
could
throw
into
something
like
that.
Yeah.
A
I
mean
ideally
we'd
get,
you
know,
obviously
nate
you're
one
of
our
key
designers.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
matt
botel
to
join
this
meeting
as
well
and
any
of
our
other
current
designers
and
jack
yeah
exactly
if
we
could
get
those
guys
involved
in
the
discussion
as
well
as
sort
of
you
know,
makers
like
me
and
bob-
and
you
know
john
who
have
you
know,
feedback
that
right.
No,
that
would
be
a
great
discussion.
A
E
F
Bad,
so
so
let
me
let
me
just
make
sure
that
we're
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
jeremy's
picking
up
on
something.
I
think
that
we're
planning
for
the
clear
mask
situation,
which
is
to
try
to
take
people
like
you,
nate,
who
are
involved
in
specific
devices
and
designs
and
get
them
together
with
other
people
doing
similar,
but
different
devices.
F
And
do
sort
of
a
crossfit
right,
compare
and
contrast
in
order
to
share
ideas
and
try
to
surface
things
that
need
need
doing
so,
it's
gonna
need
a
champion.
I
just
want
you
to
be
clear
that
if
it
happens
within
strictly
within
your
group,
we're
missing
the
opportunity.
B
John,
I
wanted
to
take
a
step
back.
We
started
talking
about
this
because
of
mike
larson.
That
was
the
the
initial
catalyst
for
talking
about
this
whole
idea
of
cross
device.
Design
review
he's
focusing
now
on
one
design
doing
these
edits,
but
he's
done
several
different
device
review
videos
and
I
think
it's
really
worthwhile
for
all
of
us
to
think
not
just
about
organizing
all
of
the
designers
together
to
come
up
with
new
designs.
But
we
need
to
bring
in
people
like
absolute
mike
larson
yeah.
A
No,
that's
that's
what
I
meant
when
I
said
this,
that's
what
I
meant
ben
when
I
said
get
the
makers
involved
too.
I'm
talking
about
people
like
mike
who
they
might
not
be
designers
but
they're,
people
that
are
familiar
with
the
designs
and
they
have
ideas
about
how
they
can
be
better.
Those
are
the
kind
of
people
I
want
involved
in
this
session.
B
A
Well,
I
mean,
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea.
It's
it.
You
know
the
challenge
of
something
like
this.
Is
you
know
to
coordinate
it?
Somebody,
like
john
said
somebody
would
need
to
take
the
lead
it
takes.
You
know
we
want
to
get
all
these
different
designers
together
makers
end
users,
it's
something
that
probably
has
to
be
promoted
on
the
hub
and
then,
of
course,
when
you
actually
get
this
group
together.
A
B
B
Working
with
peregrine
and
some
other
people,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
some
of
those
networks
are
already
happening,
but
that
maybe
would
be
really
wonderful
to
encourage
before
focusing
on
a
specific
device.
Maybe
we
need
to
establish
that
community
voice
as
being
really
the
the
evaluation
for
any
of
these
designs.
F
F
A
Got
all
of
our
statistics
on
the
next
page
as
usual
I'll?
Let
you
guys
look
through
those.
The
only
thing
I'll
point
out
is
that
we,
the
only
thing
that
jumped
out
at
me
this
week,
was
that
we
had
a
there's
a
lot
of
likes.
47
likes
this
week
on
the
hub,
so
just
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
activity.
A
lot
of
people
engaging,
which
is
a
good
thing.
Average
session
duration
was
up
to
almost
four
minutes
as
well.
A
So
I
don't
know,
people
were
involved
on
the
on
the
hub
a
little
bit
more
than
usual,
all
the
other
charts
there
I'll.
Let
you
guys
review
those
for
yourselves
cool,
okay,
so
on
to
our
topics.
So,
let's
see
active
lumia
discussions
and
proposals,
so
we've
got
the
spc
proposal
out
there
now
as
a
discussion
thread,
and
it's
got
some
good
active
discussion
going
on
already.
A
I
think
we
just
let
it
run
its
course
and
then
switch
it
over
into
a
proposal
or
voting
proposal
after
a
week
has
elapsed,
I'll.
A
Okay,
so
that's
looking
good
discuss
possible,
sponsored
initiatives
all.
A
F
We
had
talked
about
a
lumio
thread
having
to
do
with
the
whole
question
of
what
else
should
we
be
using
our
money,
for
this
is
partly
in
response
to
bob's
desire
that
we
have
a
number
of
good
uses
of
our
money
before
we
go
back
and
ask
for
more
in
a
blog
post
that
I
did
on
the
hub
in
response,
it
was
actually
a
comment
that
was
to
an
article
that
ben
had
flagged.
F
I
realized
that
there
was.
There
were
a
couple
of
other
things
that
might
be
interesting.
Initiatives
for
us
to
be
floating.
One
is
an
outreach
coordinator.
This
is
an
example
of
something
that
we
have
learned.
Volunteers,
transient,
volunteers
can't
do
and
present
company
has
not
been
able
to
do
really
simple
systematically.
A
F
F
F
There
are
they're,
probably
only
a
fraction
of
what's
out
there,
but
using
this
technique
we
can
now
document,
I
think,
up
to
a
thousand
cases
anyway.
Those
are
examples
of
what
an
impact
investigator
might
do.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
debate
right
now,
but
those
are
examples
of
what
an
impact
investigator
might
might
do
either
just
building
on
the
gallery.
F
That
ben
is
doing
and
is
not
controversial
or
setting
the
stage
for
a
discussion
about
whether
we
are
going
to
violate
privacy
or
otherwise
pierce
social
media
by
trying
to
harvest
those
kinds
of
photos.
Photos
in
any
case,
an
impact
investigator,
I
think,
is
probably
something
that
would
be
part
of
a
more
mature
enabler
seems
to
me
every
organization
that
seeks
funds
needs
to
have
metrics
of
its
impact,
and
we
don't
that's,
because
we
don't
have
anyone
for
whom
that's
the
primary
responsibility.
B
F
It
could
be
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
one
of
those
tasks
that
requires
a
stable,
longer
term,
individual,
to
coordinate
volunteers,
but
also
to
fill
all
the
gaps
that
a
stable,
long-term
individual.
F
Like
you
does
for
the
things
you
do
do
anyway,
so
I
and
then
I
threw
in
another
one-
and
this
is
all
sort
of
to
set
the
stage
for
what
might
be
a
larger
discussion
within
lumio
about
how
we
might
spend
the
money,
which
is
a
device
design,
curator
convener,
which
is
just
my
generalization
of
the
discussion
we
just
had
with
nate
about
matt
and
mike,
and
the
notion
of.
A
Well,
with
the
addition
that
I'd
love
to
have
this
person
take
over
the
responsibility
of
of
documenting
new
devices
for
the
device
catalog.
F
Quite
right,
very
close,
although
I
don't
think
safe,
was
trying
to
come
up
with
estimates
of
enables
broader.
You
know
entire
reach.
A
B
Something
to
consider
in
in
both
of
these,
but
specifically
in
in
this
design,
curator
masby
in
an
email
exchange
over
the
last
couple
days
with
john,
and
I
mentioned
that
he
he
really
feels
that
the
audits
that
we're
going
to
be
designing
and
sending
out
very
shortly
sort
of
as
the
pilot
for
the
wishbone
second
part
of
the
wishbone
project.
B
He'd
love
to
include
some
information
about
the
devices
that
people
are
using
and
have
that
tie
into
this
device.
Catalog
and
and
really
up
to
now,
we've
been
doing
our
best,
but
you
know
largely
kind
of
arbitrarily
assigning
the
ways
of
rating
the
devices
just
based
on
you
know
our
understanding,
but
basing
it
on
data
from
the
chapters
would
be
wonderful
in
terms
of
popularity,
for
example,.
A
Let's
move
along
so
in
terms
of
I'm
just
looking
at
recent
updated
lumio
discussions.
Is
there
anything
to
update
us
on
with
the
chapter
wishbone
project?
At
this
point,
ben.
B
Yep
so,
as
I
mentioned,
masby
is
beginning
to
get
involved
again,
which
is
wonderful.
We've
been
talking
about
how
often
to
send
out
the
surveys
and
how
to
design
them.
Bob's
work
on
the
the
previous
audit
is
really
a
wonderful
place.
To
start
it's
not
just
going
to
be
the
numbers
that
we
get
this
time,
but
it's
going
to
be
comparing
them
to
some
of
the
results
that
we
got
in
the
past.
That
really
gives
us
a
sense
of
where
things
are
going.
Jeremy.
A
B
Those
that'd
be
great
so
as
a
first
step
I'll
take
the
responses
that
bob
had
collected
and
I'll
put
those
into
the
the
current
spreadsheet
that
we
have
that'll
populate
the
chapter
map,
that's
something
that
can
happen.
B
You
know
in
the
next
couple
days
and
we'll
go
from
having
six
chapters
that
have
some
data
on
their
activities
to
maybe
40..
B
Then
the
next
steps
from
there
will
be
setting
up
potentially
a
database
instead
of
a
spreadsheet
that
masby
is
interested
in
organizing
and
he
can
set
up
admin
access
based
on
the
hub
he's
got
a
big
idea
about
it.
We've
been
going
back
and
forth
on
on
the
structure,
but
it's
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier
to
have
it
be
a
sustainable
thing
for
us.
C
I
intend
to
do
another
audit
in
the
next
several
days
and
ask
the
same
questions
again,
we'll
see
how
many
it's
been
a
year
and
a
half
since
I
did
an
audit
anyway.
So.
B
It
might
be
worth
holding
on
that
bob,
because,
if
we're
gonna
send
out
an
automated
audit,
okay
that'll
be
just
a
reoccurring
thing
and
and
the.
D
B
B
I
guess
the
I'm
trying
to
think
if
there's
anything
worth
discussing
there
was
some
back
and
forth
that
masby
and
I
had
about
the
consequences
of
not
being
active.
I
think
initially-
and
this
is
something
to
ask
bob
initially,
his
audit
was
focused
at
activity
in
the
last
six
months.
Correct.
C
C
B
Great,
so
I
guess
the
next
steps
for
for
masby
and
john
and
I
in
terms
of
setting
up
this
audit
system,
is
figuring
out
that
process.
So
initially
we
thought
send
out
a
survey
if
we
don't
hear
a
response,
they'd
be
sort
of
have
an
orange
tag
as
still
being
considered
active,
but
then,
if
we
don't
hear
back
from
the
second
survey
so
again,
this
is
six
months,
then
they'd
be
labeled
inactive,
but
still
on
the
map
and
then
after
the
third
survey.
C
B
Yeah
and
there's
also
issues
with
you
know,
sometimes
emails
change.
I
know
in
in
colombia
that
one
of
the
chapters
changed
names
to
humanos
3d
and
the
emails
are
different,
but
I
guess
that
gives
us
if
we
send
out
the
first
one.
It
gives
us
up
to
six
months
to
manually
chase
after
some
of
these
chapters
and
jeremy
and
bob-
and
I
have
seen
in
the
exchanges
with
the
colombian
chapters
that
sometimes
it
takes
messaging
several
times
and
facebook,
and
but
it
would
give
us
six
months
to
check
their
facebook.
B
Are
they
still
active
and
they're
just
not
responding,
and
we
can
sort
of
label
things
on
our
end
to
try
to
figure
out
what
to
do.
B
C
I
created
my
own
spreadsheet
that
I
sort
by
country
and
I
sort
by
active
and
inactive
by
date,
and
that
includes
inactive
chapters
that
have
never
answered.
So
these
are
data
that
go
beyond
just
the
in
the
input
form
I'll,
send
you
those
sheets
that'd
be
great,
and
you
can
I
mean
I
use
them
to
update
when
I
report
x
number
chapters.
I
know,
because
I
have
the
running
total
of
active
and
inactive
at
any
point
in
time.
F
And
then
ben
you
and
masby
are
now
doing
some
great
in-depth
discussion
of
what
this
plan
is
going
to
be.
F
I
suggest
that
you
write
it
out
and,
as
we
wrote
a
proposal
once
before,
but
you've
now
synthesized
that
into
the
wishbone
project.
This
whole
framework
that
you're
talking
about
should
be
laid
out
so
that
we
can
review
it
and
I'd
suggest
that
you
vet
it
with
bob
who,
of
course,
has
been
dealing
with
chapters
a
lot.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
can
we've
had
a
long
email
exchange
going
back
and
forth.
I
will
condense
that
into
what
I
think
are
our
specific
proposals
for
this
process
and
I'll
send
it
to
you
guys.
So
that's
the
part
two
of
the
wishbone,
the
part
one
is,
is
also
moving
along
bob
and
evan,
and
I
have
gotten
paypal
set
up.
We
did
set
up
some
links
on
the
chapter
sharing
page.
B
The
next
steps
will
be
connecting
that
to
the
other
accounts
and
open
collective
setting
up
the
admins
on
that
page
and
coming
up
with
the
documentation
for
how
it
all
works.
You
know
what
are
the
templates
that
are
involved
with
requests
and
the
parameters
for
that.
F
Let
me
say
that,
what's
going
on,
there
is,
I
had
hoped
to
keep
this
whole
wishbone
project
separate
from
rochester
enable
limited
for
auditing
and
tax
purposes,
but
that
really
doesn't
work
out.
Happily
evan,
who
is
an
accountant,
is
now
helping
us
clean
up
our
quickbooks
and
our
accounting
for
rochester
naval
limited,
and
that
will
so
it's
not
a
net
drain
on
my
limited
resources
for
administering
that
part
of
the
architecture.
F
Is
that
we're
setting
up
a
paypal
account
which
will
actually
be
the
bank
account
for
the
chapter
wishbone
project
rather
than
that
money
going
into
the
rochester
enable
limited
bank
account
we'll
just
have
that
whatever
loose
money
there
is
and
then
what's
meant
to
be
sort
of
the
collective
petty
cash
fund
in
that
paypal
account
not
so
that
that's
just
a
preview
of
the
way.
This
is
going
again.
F
It's
going
to
have
to
be
documented
so
that
we
have
adequate
structural
transparency,
but
it's
underway
and
evidence
is
being
a
great
resource
and,
let
me
add-
and
we
found
evan
through
our
newbie
orientation
sessions,
which
is
another
benefit
of
these
periodic
newbie
orientation
sessions,
that
ben
and
safe
and
ricardo
have
been
doing
every
month
or
so.
F
B
A
Okay,
let's
move
along
here
folks
spc
discretionary
fund
allocation,
so
we
we
did
get
our
first
write-up
on
lumio,
so
we
have
a
discussion,
a
discussion
thread
going
now
for
the
you
know,
media
coordination
effort,
but
I
would
still
like
to
move
forward
with
proposing
what
we've
been
talking
about,
where
some
portion
of
the
funds
in
the
enable
fund
can
be
allocated
by
the
spc
to
cover.
A
Just
you
know:
infrastructure
costs
things
that
just
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
put
up
for
a
vote
things
that
just
need
to
be
done,
so
I
think
we
would
need
in
order
to
to
do
that,
we
would
need
to
first
write
up
the
proposal
to
get
the
community's
buy-in
for
that.
So
we
need
to
the
the
proposal.
I
guess
would
be
seeking
the
community's
approval
for
us
to
have
this
discretionary
authority
over
some
portion
of
the
funds,
and
we
would
list
out
some
examples.
A
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
an
exhaustive
list,
but
we'll
list
out
some
examples
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
would
be
approved
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
would
not
be
covered
under
this,
but
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
proceed
with
getting
that
written
up.
Does
anybody
have
any
see
any
reasons
we
should
be
waiting.
F
A
Yeah,
I
I
didn't
really
see
much
of
that.
In
there
I
mean
I
maybe
just
the
fact
that
it's
being
sponsored
or
written
up
by
the
spc
is
a
stepping
stone
but
yeah.
I
didn't
see
much
in
the
proposal
itself
that
talks
about
this
discretionary
fund
allocation
idea.
So
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
would
need
to
wait
for
that
current.
You
know
proposal
to
play
out.
I
think
it's
just
a
question
of
who
has
the
bandwidth
to
write
this
one
up.
F
F
As
a
footnote,
given
today's
email
exchange
with
jen
and
maria,
I
I
think
we
should
just
take
on
enabling
the
futures
web
hosting
bills
so
that
jen
doesn't
have
to
worry
about
getting
reimbursed.
A
Well,
yes,
and
no,
we
can
take
that
on
in
the
sense
of
whenever
those
bills
come
up.
We
just
pay
them.
We
can't
take
them
on
in
the
sense
of
transferring
that
into
the
name
of
you
know,
one
of
us
or
whatever
we've
gone
down
that
path
before
and
jen
was
not
willing
to
give
up
ownership
of
the
domain
and
the
website.
So.
F
B
He'll
be
back,
I
was
going
to
mention
jeremy.
If
you
can
make
a
list,
I
mean
obviously
of
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
covered,
that
the
spc
would
be
able
to
sort
of
cover.
With
this
effort,
it'd
be
really
helpful.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
don't
realize
all
the
things
that
are
involved
and
the
systems
that
are
in
place
that
are
required
for
the
work.
That's
being
done
right.
F
A
Well,
that
that
whole
email
thread
is
getting
really
convoluted
and
then
maria
jumped
in
and
starts
talking
about
giving
her
the
money
we
owe
from
google.
That's
ancient
history,
that's
all
done
we're
talking
about
the
hosting
fees
for
enabling
the
future.
So
it's
just
the
voting
thing
she
doesn't
want
to
have
to
write
up
a
lumio
proposal
every
time
she
needs
100
reimbursement
for
the
domain,
which
I
think
is
reasonable.
Of
course,
I'm
going
to
write
it
up
for
her
this
time.
A
Just
so
we're
sticking
with
our
current
process
we'll
get
her
reimbursed
for
2019
2020,
and
if
this
gets
approved,
then
you
know
we
don't
need
to
have
the
the
enabling
the
future
website
in
our
name
or
anything
it's
just
when
it
comes
up
for
renewal,
she'll
shoot
us
an
email,
saying,
hey.
I
got
here's
my
bill
for
100
bucks
and.
F
That's
exactly
where
she
falls
down.
If
she
she
gets
a
bill
and
she
either
doesn't
send
it
to
us
or
she
forgets
that
she
sent
it
to
us
and
if
she
does
send
it
to
us,
she
forgets
whether
we
paid
her
back
or
not,
and
then
a
year
later
we
go
through
the
current
cycle.
So
this
is.
This
is
the
loop
I
want
to
type.
We
don't
have
to
solve
this
here
in
sbc.
Well,.
A
We
need
to
have
records
of
that
anyway.
Excuse
me
right
now,
we
have
our
only
records.
Right
now
is
what
you
you
know
you
dumped
a
spreadsheet
which
was
coming
from
our
open
collective
records.
I
assume
that's
right
if,
under
this
new
program,
where
we
have
this
discretionary
spending,
are
people
still
going
to
go
through
open
collective
to
get
their
funds,
or
are
we
just
going
to
pay
things,
and
if
we
just
pay
things,
how
does
that
get
recorded?
How
does
it
get
get
it
logged?
I
mean
there's
some
things.
F
My
point
is
that
I
think
that
this
spc
discretionary
fund
should
define
certain
recurring
costs
like
jen's
things
which
are
part
of
our
ongoing
mandate
and
don't
require
pre-approval.
Once
that's
done,
we
might
even
arrange
to
send
the
hosting
fee
proactively
without
waiting
for
a
bill
once
a
year.
Sure.
F
Let
me
say
we
have
the
record
okay
and
I
sent
I
shared
it
with
jen
yeah,
but
she
doesn't
want
to
look
at
it
carefully
enough.
So
now
I
am
stuck
with
the
responsibility
of
trying
to
figure
out
which
cash
checks
she
cashed,
which
checks
she
received
and
so
on.
F
A
F
A
We
already
covered
the
chapter
wishbone
project.
So
next
topic
here
is
handbag
as
a
corporate
giving
thank
you,
I'm
going
to
send
all
the
parts
that
I
have
printed
today
to
bob
so
he's
already,
printing,
all
the
flexible
parts
we'll
be
able
to
get
the
the
bags
started
now.
What
else
do
we
need
to
go
in
there?
Does
somebody
need
to
order
shirts?
Does
somebody
need
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
printouts
to
put
in
there?
What
else
do
we
need
to
do
for
these
bags?
Well,.
C
We
we
had
other
collateral
stuff
that
we
were
going
to
put
in,
so
it
doesn't
make
sen.
I
mean
somebody's
got
to
physically
put
this
together
and
mail
them
right,
which
I'm
happy
to
do
so.
I
have
the
hand
I'll
have
the
hands
I'll
need
any
other
schwaffle
we
want
to
put
in
and
we're
going
to
put
a
letter
in
right,
which
ben
said
he'd
help
me
draft.
A
F
A
Yeah,
I
agree,
but
for
right
now
so
that
we
don't
hold
things
up,
we
might
need
to
write
up
holistically.
A
A
Okay
and
I'll
try
to
do
that
as
soon
as
possible.
Okay,
that's
a
good
idea.
That'll
take
care
of
that
so
I'll
work
on
getting
that
written
up.
We
have
to
let
it
run
for
a
week.
It
is
a
discussion
and
then
a
week
under
voting
so
best
case
scenario,
two
weeks
out
from
now.
We'll
have
that
authority.
Sure,
okay,
fundraising?
C
I've
got
a
dog
and
a
wife
behind
me.
So
I'll
put
the
video
off
here.
C
Nothing
more
to
report
other
than
you
know.
Again.
We
had
some
discussion
earlier
this
week.
My
concern
is
that
when
we
go
out
and
ask
for
more
money,
we
have
to
be
able
to
articulate
what
we
want
the
money
for.
Yes,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
being
able
to
say
that
to
somebody,
because
we
have
thousand
dollars
now
that
we
really
don't
know
what
we're
doing
with
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it.
C
C
A
Well,
so
bob,
I
think,
maybe
it's
appropriate
for
you
to
post
something
new
on
the
hub.
I
know
we've
put
a
note
out
there
saying
we
have
funds
available.
Please
write
up
your
projects.
Maybe
we
need
to
go
a
step
beyond
that
and
explain
what
you
just
explained.
Folks,
we
have
money.
We
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
more
money
unless
we
can
show
that
we've
used
this
money.
Well,
we
need
you
to
write
up
projects
I
mean,
instead
of
just
inviting
them
to.
A
I
don't
think
I
don't
see
it
changing
that
I
mean
we're
still
gonna
ask
for
that
authority
which
will
be
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
gonna
be
some
amount
that
we'll
have
discretionary
authority
over
or
some
percentage
of
whatever's
in
the
fund.
I
will
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
either
way,
there's
still
going
to
be
a
big
chunk
of
funds
there.
That
needs
to
be
used
by
our
volunteers.
Can.
A
E
Bob
I'll
have
official
stats
for
you
too,
because
we're
going
to
go
register
a
couple
of
these
devices
with
the
fda
and
then
we'll
have
lots
of
paper
trail
for
you
to
back
up
funding,
requests
and
other
kinds
of
like
allocations
of
the
funds.
A
So,
okay,
so
coming
down
here
to
this,
we
keep
coming
back
to
this
long-term
concern
that
bob
brought
up
a
while
back
having
to
do
with
this
imbalance
between
our
production
capacity
and
the
demand
side
of
enable
right
now
and
we've
got
a
number
of
different
threads
going
in
terms
of
how
we're
potentially
dealing
with
this.
I
just
wanted
to
give
an
update
on
the
one
piece
which
is
we're
using
google
ads
to
do
some
outreach
now
I'll.
Just
give
you
an
update
on
how
that's
going
I'll
share
my
screen
here.
A
I
can
get
to
my
right
tab,
so
we
do
have
it's
just
one
ad
going
right
now
for
free
3d
printed
devices,
and
what
we're
looking
at
here
is.
Over
the
last
30
days,
we've
had
that
ad
has
been
displayed
to
2839
people
of
those
people,
245
have
clicked
through
to
enabling
the
future
and
then
of
those
245
40
of
them
have
gone
on
to
click
through
to
the
hub
or
to
enable
web
central.
A
That's
what
I
have
set
up
as
a
conversion
right
now,
so
that
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
what's
happening.
It's
not
as
good
as
I'd
like
to
see
more
than
this,
but
it's
working
we're
at
least
we're
drawing
people
in
we're
getting
people
that
may
not
have
have
found
us
previously.
So
I
don't
know
how
much
I'm
gonna
still
work
on
this.
A
I'm
gonna
still
try
to
get
it
to
where
it's
you
know
showing
up
more,
but
at
this
point
at
least
it's
it's
working
and
and
we're
seeing
conversions,
we're
seeing
people
clicking
through.
F
Yeah
those
rates
are
seem
pretty
good
to
me.
A
Yeah
I
mean
a
conversion
rate
of
16
is
phenomenal,
so
what
that
means
is
of
those
people
that
click
through
to
enabling
the
future
a
good
percentage
of
them
are
actually
browsing
around
they're
actually
clicking
through
to
the
hub
or
to
enable
web
central,
in
other
words,
they're
engaging
they're
they're
they're
getting
involved.
So
that's
that's
a
good
number
yeah
I'd
just
like
to
see
you
know
over
30
days,
I'd
like
to
see
a
lot
more
than
2800
impressions
and
more
than
245
clicks,
but
compared
to
nothing,
not
bad.
Well.
That.
A
No
I've,
actually
I
mean
I've
got
the
budget
set
way
higher
than
it's
being
used
right
now
I
mean
right
now,
I've
got
well
there
you
go,
it's
saying
the
cost
is
so
it
spent
582
dollars.
C
A
For
it
anyway,
so
the
idea
that
I
can
even
set
a
budget
seems
silly
I'll,
just
double
it
to
a
thousand
and
see
what
happens
anyway.
So
it's
working
I'll
just
keep
working
on
making
it
better,
but
I
I'm
hoping
that
that
will
help
to
start
to
draw
people
into
the
process
that
we
weren't
capturing.
Otherwise.
So
thank
you.
F
You
know
we
were
on
fundraising.
I
just
want
to
see
whether
isabella
who's
just
beginning
her
course
on
fundraising
has
anything
to
throw
in.
D
Like
updates
wise,
I
just
a
short
update.
I
wrote
up
the
first
draft
of
the
proposal
of
my
internship.
I
sent
it
to
john,
so
once
we
get
some
approval
from
that,
we'll
move
forward
and
yeah,
it
will
be
officially
a
class.
So.
F
D
Basically,
the
essence
of
the
proposal
is
for
my
internship.
I
will
wow
two
sentences
is
very
short.
Look
at
this.
I
will
use
my
internship
to
help
secure
funding
for
the
media
correspondent
role
by
conducting
interviews
with
our
current
funders,
as
well
as
work
on
expanding
the
funding
portfolio.
A
C
A
Well,
thank
you
isabella
anything
that
you
need
from
us
to
help
you
with
that.
D
A
D
At
the
moment
we
should
be
all
set.
We
had
a
really
great
meeting
on
monday.
Bob
sent
me
a
lot
of
information,
so
once
I
get
approval
for
the
proposal,
I
can
submit
it
to
my
advisor
and
then
I
can
make
sure
I
get
credit.
So
the
next
step
right
now
is
just
to
move
the
proposal
forward.
A
Great
okay,
thanks
for
doing
that,
okay,
so
does
anybody
else
have
any
thoughts
or
comments
about
the?
What
we're
calling
the
long-term
enable
concern.
C
C
A
E
I
hear
you
it's
a
volunteers.
Are
a
finicky
bunch
right,
especially
in
colorado.
That
could
be
true
too.
That
might
be
part
of
it
hey.
If
I
can
snag
30
seconds
of
your
time
here
towards
the
end,
it
doesn't
need
to
be
right
now,
but.
E
Can
I
share
the
screen?
Yeah
go
for
it,
okay,
excellent.
E
E
E
So
that
was
dan
and
what
I'm
trying
to
get
okay
here,
I'll
stop
sharing.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
do
have
dan
do
one
of
those
for
enable
as
well.
I
mean
the
enable
logo
is
on
the
front
of
the
little
printer
as
it's
zooming
in,
but
it's
real
subtle
and
this
is
for
niop.
I
want
to
do
one
for
enable,
so
at
the
beginning
of
all
the
videos
that
we're
doing
enables
come
up
first,
then
it'll
go
into
the
nyop
one
and
then
it'll
go
into
the
video.
A
Ben
we
already,
we
already
paid
somebody
to
develop
video,
intros
and
outros
for
enable.
So
we
have
those.
Unless
you
wanted
to
do
something
different.
We
already
have
those
we
went
through
a
whole
process.
We
had
about
a
dozen
of
them
generated
and
we
all
voted
on
our
favorite
and
we
selected
one.
So
we
have
that
can.