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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - February 19, 2021
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, February 19, 2021.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: http://bit.ly/3r0RX7g
A
A
Let's
see,
oh,
I
got
to
get
my
notes
up.
Hopefully
you
all
have
the
notes
document.
I
sent
a
link
this
morning
before
the
meeting.
Does
anyone
need
that
link
we're
all
good?
Okay,
all
right
who's?
I
I
guess
john's
on
the
road.
So
ben,
can
you
handle
notes
yeah.
Let
me
open
it
up.
A
Okay,
let's
see
action
items
we
only
have
a
couple
here:
ben
is
still
working
on
collecting
photos
of
people
wearing
our
different
kinds
of
enable
devices
for
a
gallery
we're
building
still
trickling
in
ben.
B
Yep
we
got
a
thierry
from
enable
france
sent
some
some
really
great
examples.
Yesterday
everybody
has
a
different
folder,
it's
just
a
shared
folder
that
we're
getting
from
different
people.
So
maybe
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
create
a
document
that
links
to
these
folders
instead
of
trying
to
drag
them
to
mix
them
all
together?
It
might
be.
That
might
be
a
good
way
to
do.
B
Right,
we'll
we'll
probably
want
to
they're
organized
in
different
ways
currently
and
they're,
all
just
shared
folders,
but
we
might
want
to
try
to
organize
them
by
chapter
and
by
device.
B
A
Well,
yeah
I
mean
once
you
bring
them
into
the
hub,
you
can
there's
there's
different
ways.
You
could
organize
them.
You
could
have
different
galleries
for
each
chapter
or
different
galleries
for
each
type
of
device,
or
you
could
use
the
tags
within
the
gallery.
There's
different
ways
you
could
you
could
do
that
right.
A
B
That's
moving
along,
it
looks
like
we
did
hear
back
from
zynap
and
turkey
and
teary,
but
not
from
everton.
So
I'll
I'll
try
to
send
him
a
message
with
whatsapp.
He
usually
responds
better
it.
Everybody
has
their
their
platform
of
choice.
So.
C
B
A
Okay,
patrick
geary
is
working
on
some
kind
of
r
d
framework.
I
guess
we're
gonna,
hopefully
have
him
for
a
presentation
at
some
point
in
the
future.
A
Not
today,
all
right,
then
we've
got
all
of
our
statistics.
Here
you
may
notice
I,
on
the
the
main
chart
there
on
the
the
the
top.
I
I
added
in
the
total
number
of
tickets,
which
I
think
it's
it's
handy
to
see
each
week,
because
honestly
bob
is
handling
all
these
tickets.
I
think
it's
nice
to
see
how
many
he's
doing
each
week
so
put
the
total
over
there
get
the
rest
of
the
charts
as
usual,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
our
regular
agenda.
A
Okay,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
active,
lumia
discussions
or
proposals
right
now,
although
we
are
about
to
have
a
new
discussion
in
the
form
of
our
the
write-up,
we
did
for
the
spc
discretionary
fund
allocation.
A
It
looks
like
people
have
reviewed
that
there
were
a
couple
of
edits
and
comments
which
are,
you
know,
incorporated
into
the
document
now.
So
unless
there's
any
objections,
I
think
we're
at
a
point
where
I
should
go
ahead
and
post
that
up
as
a
discussion.
Let
it
run
for
a
week
and
we
turn
it
into
a
vote.
Does
that
sound
like
the
right
approach
to
everyone.
C
A
Okay,
so
I
didn't
list
it
here
as
active,
because
I
haven't
done
that
yet,
but
that
will
be
an
active
discussion
come
next
week.
So
I'll
get
that
up
as
far
as
recent
proposals
and
discussions,
so
we
did
have
the
media
coordination.
Fellowship
proposal
approved
that's
in
in
effect
now
and
of
course,
that's
tied
in
with
the
chapter
wishbone
project,
so
ben
any
updates
for
us
on
how
that's
going.
B
John
and
I
have
been
working
together
to
coordinate
some
of
the
the
last
things
we
need
to
do
with
the
current
spreadsheet.
To
prepare
for
the
new
database.
B
D
D
A
You
know
I
apologize,
I
I
missed
in
the
agenda,
I'm
gonna
scroll
back
up
to
the
top,
because
we
usually
do
introductions
and
actually
andrew.
I
apologize.
I
think
I've
met
you
before
at
some
point,
but
I
don't
think
we've
introduced
you
here.
So
let's,
let's,
let's
go
back
to
this
real,
quick
andrew.
Maybe
I
could
have
you
kind
of
introduce
yourself
and
let
us
know
kind
of
what
your
background
is
and
yeah.
Of
course,.
C
So
I'm
basically
in
a
nutshell,
just
kind
of
interested
in
helping
I'm
familiar
with
all
of
you,
but
I
figured
I
should
show
my
face.
You
have
you
have
the
sbc
meetings
posted,
so
I've
watched
the
last
half
dozen
or
so
and
ben
has
given
me
some
kind
of
pointers
as
to
different
ways
to
get
more
acclimated
to
the
the
landscape
and
so
right
now
I'm
kind
of
just
trying
to
get
my
head
around
the
whole
ecosystem
and
then
see
in
what
ways
I
can
best
be
of
assistance.
C
Jeremy
and
ben
have
both
helped
me
a
couple
times
and
yeah.
I
have
a
business
background.
I
guess
that's
about
it.
A
A
Okay,
so
skipping
back
to
where
we
were,
let's
see
so
that
was
the
lumio
stuff.
B
Jeremy,
is
it
worth
going
around
and
maybe
having
a
quick
introduction
from
other
folks
too?
I
don't
know
if
andrew
is
familiar
with
isabella
and
lindsay
and
and
how
they're.
A
E
Sure
I
can
start
hey
andy,
I'm
lindsay
I'm
education,
education,
education
and.
E
And
so
I
am
familiar
with
enable
I've
been
familiar
with
enable
for
five
years
actually,
but
last
year
I
stepped
into
a
technology
integration,
specialist
position,
and
I
worked
with
over
11
000
students
in
a
very
big
district
of
200
and
plus
teachers,
and
we
kicked
off
a
really
awesome,
helping
hands
project
which
I
developed
into
a
website
and
am
now
reaching
out
and
talking
to
some
different
people
around
the
world,
which
is
really
cool.
D
You
want
to
go
next
sure,
john
shell,
co-founder
of
enable
I
also
manage
rochester
enable
limited,
which
controls
the
funds
of
the
enable
fund
if
you've
caught
the
last
six
spc
meetings.
A
I
salute
you
and
to
be.
You
know
what
what
I
do.
D
I
have
not
gotten
a
bead
on
your
past
background.
Besides
business
background.
C
D
B
And
we
did
talk
in
a
conversation
before
andrew
and
I
about.
There
are
a
lot
of
parallels
between
you
know:
a
volunteer
organization
and
the
different
roles
in
a
restaurant
and
getting
people
to
learn
about
these.
These
different
parts.
You
know
working
on
the
counter
working
on
tables
working
on
dishes,
but
then
you
know
manager
shifting
around.
So
it
is
interesting.
I
wanted
to
plant
that
plug
for
john
and
also
maybe
a
quick
reminder.
We've
got
the
new
member
meetup
after
this
and
that's
you
know:
restaurant
orientation
101
so.
A
All
right
so
ben
you
want
to
give
an
intro
or
or.
B
My
name
is
ben.
I've
been
involved
with
enable
the
last
a
year
and
a
half
or
so
working
on
media
communications
projects.
Basically,
and
we
recently
got
the
fellowship
approved,
which
takes
the
role
that
I
sort
of
piloted
and
creates
an
ongoing
program,
sort
of
oriented
towards
students
or
any
enabled
community
members
to
work
part-time
with
a
limited
window
and
support
international
communications.
F
I'm
bob
rieger
I've
been
here
about
three
years
andy.
I
think
I've
seen
your
name
coming
through
on
some
badges
and
things.
If
my
memory
serves
me
correct,
but
I've
seen
your
name
before
by
educationally
I'm
a
material
scientist,
I'm
retired.
F
I
manage
chemical
companies
for
a
living
and
I
started
out
as
a
maker
and
I
still
fabricate
print
fabricate
and
donate
devices,
but
I
became
involved
in
the
in
the
back
room.
If
you
will
activities-
and
I
handle
a
variety
of
things-
the
badging,
the
help
desk
chapter
administration,
ewc
case
facilitation
and
we've
been
involved
in
some
fundraising
and
corporate
outreach
activities.
Also.
G
Sure
my
name's
isabella,
I'm
a
last
semester,
grad
student
super
exciting
and
I'm
interning
with
enable
to
help
a
little
bit
with
fundraising,
I'm
taking
a
fundraising
course
right
now
and
I'm
also
working
on
the
operation
sides
a
little
bit.
So
that's
me,
I'm
also
not
an
expert.
I
had
another
internship
with
another
similar
company
last
semester
and
I
just
love
this
whole
thing.
So
yeah.
A
Right,
I'm
kind
of
like
you,
andrew
just
a
business
guy,
I'm
also
a
3d
printing
nerd,
though,
and
kind
of
just
I,
like
the
the
tech
side
of
things.
I
do
a
lot
of
sort
of
behind-the-scenes
support
for
the
community.
I
help
with
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
and
the
websites
help
with
with
the
hub
and
enabling
the
future
and
my
team
developed,
enable
web
central
and
that
kind
of
stuff
help
help
bob
with
with
the
help
desk,
to
some
extent,
though,
he
handles
most
of
the
tickets.
A
All
right,
I
think,
that's
everyone
so
back
to
where
we
were.
We
were
talking
about.
Let's
see,
we
got
through
the
lumio
discussions
all
right.
Well,
so
we
shuffled
things
around
here
a
little
bit,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
had
time
to
get
to
isabella
and
lindsay
so
isabelle.
I
know
you
asked
for
about
10
minutes
at
the
end.
Is
it
okay
to
do
that?
A
little
earlier
you
want
to
talk
now.
Give
us
an
update.
G
Muted,
you
think
I
would
learn
by
now.
Okay,
do
you
mind
if
I
share
my
screen.
G
So
one
of
the
things
I've
been
thinking
about
is
how
to
improve
communications,
with
all
the
documents
that
we
have,
and
I
really
clicked
with
the
kumu
map
that
we
have
that's
a
pathways
and
I'm
currently
working
on
how
to
organize
it
as
a
way
for
people
to
find
information
that
they
need
as
well
as
to
be
a
database.
G
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
Desktop
share
everything.
Okay,
so
I
the
first
thing
I'm
doing
is
I
so.
This
is
the
current
pathway
map.
If
we
want
to
zoom
out,
let
me
zoom
out
a
little
bit.
G
Oops,
okay,
how
do
I
zoom
out
there
we
go
and
you
can
see
it
has
a
lot
of
great
links
and
information,
but
if
you're
seeing
this
for
the
first
time,
you
don't
really
know
where
to
start
right.
You
look
at
this
and
you're
like
okay.
I
see
a
lot
of
different
links
and
a
lot
of
different
bubbles.
So
where
do
I
start?
So
I
started
to
look
at
a
lot
of
other
kumu
maps
and
I
found
one
like
this
one,
which
is
something
I
want
to
replicate.
G
G
G
I
can
see
people
who
want
to
hand
to
look
at
this
map
and
I
can
see
people
who
want
to
make
a
hand
look
at
this
map,
so
I'm
going
to
try
and
replicate
this
I'm
currently
working
on
a
prototype
through
here,
I'm
more
familiar
with
myro
than
kumu.
So
I'm
using
this
as
a
way
to
like
play
around
with
it
and
get
a
format
that
I
like
before.
I
put
it
into
the
kumu
map.
So
what
I
was
thinking
is
the
really
really
important
things
like
the
title
pieces.
G
G
This
is
just
draft
one,
so
any
feedback
is
good,
I'm
still
playing
around
with
it
before
I
get
your
feedback
on
that,
I'm
also
working
on
improving
the
information.
So
this
is
kind
of
what
the
information
looks
like
on
the
current
kumu
page.
But
if
we
do
register
with
webcentral.
G
C
D
Want
to
say
that,
while
clickable
graphical
interactive
maps
are
like
candy
to
some
people
like
poison
to
other
people,
we
are
doing
this
in
such
a
way
that
the
information
of
each
node
will
ultimately
be
something
that
we
can
put
in
a
single
panel
of
a
a
hub
page
for
example.
D
And
so
the
value
here
is
not
just
that
we're
creating
eye
candy,
but
also
that
we'll
sort
of
identify
nice,
manageable
chunks
of
newbie
appropriate
documentation,
which
will
be
ultimately
but
not
immediately.
Editable
on
the
hub
and
reflected
both
in
hub
pages
and
in
some
kind
of
graphic
like
kumu
or
mira,
or
something
like
that.
G
A
Okay,
well,
I
look
forward
to
seeing
more
of
that.
I
I
think
you're.
A
F
No
go
ahead.
Isabella,
please.
G
I
did
go
to
a
corporate
a
a
lecture
yesterday
about
fundraising
that
john
recommended
that
I
go
to
on
how
to
involve
corporate
sponsorship
and
how
to
interact
businesses
to
support
you.
So
I
can
put
my
notes
from
the
from
the
meeting
in
the
workshop
into
like
email
it
out,
so
you
can
all
read
it,
but
basically
the
summary
of
it
was
find
ways
to
market
what
you're
already
doing
and
have
them
sponsor
what
you're
currently
working
on.
F
A
Okay,
education:
let's
talk
education
a
little
bit
since
we
have
the
benefit
of
lindsay
here
today.
I.
E
B
Yeah,
it's
exciting,
there's
like.
E
F
Yes,
I
started
this
james
segway
segu,
not
quite
sure
how
to
pronounce
it
he's
in
italy
and
he
is
with
a
chapter
and
he
sent
a
ticket
into
the
help
desk
requesting
a
speaker
for
a
conference
nice.
So
I
forwarded
it
to
john
and
I
eventually,
I
guess,
lindsay,
got
to
you
because
of
the
link.
E
Yeah-
and
so
this
morning
was
our
first
time
meeting
and
they're
going
to
be
attending
the
the
new
member
meeting.
Right,
then,
is
that
what
they
said
and.
E
It
was
a
fantastic
meeting,
so
you
know
ben
had
sent
them
tons
of
resources.
E
The
video
that
I
had
put
out,
I
shared
with
them
the
website
that
I
created
all
based
on
the
helping
hands
project,
but
then
they
started
to
talk
about
the
united
nations
standards
that
I
started
developing
the
now
initiative
on
and
how
they
wanted
to
create
categories
that
incorporated
looking
out
for
health
and
wellness
of
humans
with
engineering
aspects,
which
is
exactly
what
I
was
building
in
the
summer,
and
I
could
I
could
refresh
you
and
and
share
my
screen
and
show
you
what
that
looks
like
this
is
exactly
what
I
had
shown
them.
E
All
right
here
we
go.
Are
you
able
to
see
yes,
okay,
beautiful?
So
this
is
the
now
initiative
that
I
started
building
over
the
summer
and
based
on
the
united
nations
standards
of
moving
toward
very
pressing
topics.
I
built
out
these
categories,
which
you're
seeing
here
so
we
have.
You
know,
of
course,
the
we
have
the
climate
action,
the
social
equity,
refugee
crises
and
health
and
wellness,
and
so
they're
looking
to
work
with.
E
So
it's
it's
20
different
schools,
essentially
in
italy,
one
in
each
region
and
they're
looking
to
develop
project-based
learning
that
incorporates
taking
in
you
know
the
human
aspect
and
and
issues
relating
to
issues
that
are
global,
and
so
I
shared
with
them
this,
and
so
what
you're
looking
at
here
are
three
different
tiers.
E
There's
the
empathy
piece
which
is
driving
you
into
that
human
experience
and
exactly
the
audience
that
you're
designing
and
building
for
there's
the
explore
phase,
which
is
in
the
green
and
that's
all,
exploring
mathematics
and
scientific
data
to
help
support
your
design
and
then
moving
into
the
engineering
aspect.
And
so
when
we
look
at
this
and
all
these
you
know
different
categories.
Each
one
has
a
choice
board,
and
so
I
was
meeting
with
the
summer
over
the
summer
with
different
people
like
jennifer
fang.
E
I
was
meeting
with
louisa
and
that
was
dean,
rock
and
and
various
people
from
my
school
district
as
well
to
get
their
perspective
on
this
and
make
it
you
know
as
as
well
developed
as
I
possibly
could
the
time
given.
So
when
you
click
on
one
of
these
things,
it
takes
you
to
a
choice
board
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
it
has
yet
to
be
developed,
because
I
didn't
want
to
put
in
all
of
my
own
ideas.
E
I
wanted
it
to
be
developed
by
different
people
with
different
perspectives,
and
so,
if
we
look
at
the
empathy
piece,
there's
videos,
there's
book
studies,
there's
art
which
luisa,
of
course,
textile
engineer,
helped
me
incorporate
that
that
art
piece
experiencing
art,
there's
articles,
there's
also.
You
know
different
ways
that
students
can
experience
what's
happening.
What
that
issue
is
and-
and
so
that
is
at
every
level-
there's
also
music
as
well.
E
So
there's
different
sensory
experiences,
then,
and
so
it's
it's
developed
as
a
choice
board
because
as
educators
are
creating
their
own
curriculum
and
they're
in
different
grade
levels
and
speaking
to
a
different
audiences,
they
can
develop
what's
best
for
their
students
and
engage
them
in
those
ways
or
present
it
as
a
choice
for
those
students
to
experience.
E
So
we
have
the
empathy
component,
we
have
the
explore,
which
is
the
science
and
the
data.
So
when
you
click
on
that
it
redirects
you
to
a
choice
board
where
you
know
there's
different
investigations.
E
This
is
climate
action
so
and
then
yet
there's
still
things
that
can
be
added
here
and
then,
when
you
get
to
the
engineering
aspect,
if
you
click
on
the
engineering,
you
there's
different.
There's
a
three-tiered
approach
here.
E
E
So
there's
there's
essentially
there's
high
tech,
there's
low
tech
and
then
there's
no
tech,
because
when
I
was
speaking
with
janet
fo
fang,
who
developed
stamina
box
for
in
cameroon,
africa
and
spent
a
lot
of
her
time,
literally
traveling
traveling
around
schools
in
africa,
with
a
cardboard
box
with
different
technologies
in
it.
E
I
wanted
to
make
this
as
universal
as
possible
so
that
schools
that
might
have
low
tech,
some
tech
or
high
tech
can
create
lessons
where
students
can
assess
their
resources
and
raw
materials
around
them
to
engage
in
something
like
this,
and
so
essentially
I
sent
this
because
when
they
were
talking
about
the
united
nations
standards,
I
I
built
this
entire
thing
based
on
the
five
global
issues
to
watch
in
2020,
which
is
incorporating
those
standards
from
the
un,
and
so
with
that
being
said.
E
This
is
absolutely
perfect,
because
now
here
we
have,
you
know
they'd
like
to
have
students
involved
in
creating
their
own
projects
based
on
these
components
in
education
and
what
to
look
out
for-
and
we
have
this
project
here-
that
I
just
kind
of
was
leaving
lingering,
which
is
undeveloped
intentionally
because
I
don't
want
it
to
be
finished
by
only
me
and
and
so
now,
there's
20
different
high
schools
in
in
italy,
who's
going
to
be
participating
in
this,
and
I'm
going
to
use
this
as
a
model
to
inspire
them
to
develop
their
own
projects.
B
Yeah,
it's
awesome
to
see
the
parallel.
I
mean
this
program
in
italy,
they're
doing
something
very
similar
to
what
you
know
lindsay
has
been
working
on,
and
so
it's
it's
just
like
putting
two
puzzle
pieces
together,
yeah
and
just
to
tie
it
together
to
enable
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
clear.
The
program
in
for
italy,
it's
funded
through
sort
of
a
eu
education
fund.
I
think
it's
called
tech
future
2030
with
the
ministry
of
education,
italy,
so
they
have
these
different
challenges.
B
The
sort
of
like
themes
within
this
curriculum,
which
includes
vr,
machine
learning
and
3d
printing.
So
they
reached
out
to
look
at
how
to
connect
the
dots
with
some
of
the
efforts
with
3d
printing.
They
have
sort
of
a
mentorship
component.
They
want
people
from
around
the
world
to
be
presenting
and
sort
of
guiding
their
students,
but
they
also
have
other
themes
like
robotics,
which
are
also
potential
connections.
You
know
not
just
to
the
enable
with
the
bionic
designs,
but
also
lindsey's
got
some
stuff
with
her
district
doing
some
of
that
stuff.
B
E
Yeah-
and
they
do
have
that
video
that
I
created
that
tutorial
video
with
the
helping
hands
project
from
last
year
and
the
website,
with
all
the
resources
that
are
open,
source
and
available
and
they're
going
to
be
sharing
that
out
to
the
different
teachers.
That'll
be
involved
in
this
project
as
inspiration.
B
Yeah
and
some
of
the
other
partners
that
they're
working
with
include
a
shelter
in
mumbai
that
they've
worked
with
for
the
last
three
years,
where
the
students
learn
about
these
low-tech.
You
know
the
conditions
of
folks
in
mumbai
and
and
kind
of
how
they're
using
low-tech
to
solve
some
of
their
challenges.
So
you
know
again
lindsay's
mentioning
sort
of
these,
these
different
categories
of
technology
and
how
that
applies
for
us
in
terms
of
educational
resources.
B
E
Yeah,
I
actually
have
one
more
thing
to
introduce
too
on
another
side
project.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
but
it's
really
exciting.
E
So
I,
when
I
had
presented
at
nicegate
and
ben
ben
and
I
co-presented
and
ice
skate,
I
also
attended
a
lot
of
different
professional
development
sessions
and
because
I
like
to
network
and
get
to
know
others
and
meet
people,
and
so
I
met
up
with
an
organization,
is
called
building
cultural
bridges
and
it
has
to
do
with
connecting
educators,
primarily
from
new
york,
because
they're
actually
out
of
buffalo,
with
students
in
africa,
predominantly
namibia
and
zimbabwe.
E
And
so
there
are
these
two
founders
of
that
organization,
brett
and
mike,
and
I'm
actually
meeting
with
them
tonight
and
they
actually
travel
to
these
schools.
They
they
originally
originally
experienced
traveling
there
with
the
peace
corps,
and
so
now
they
are
bridging
cultural
bridges
by
having
students
in
predominantly
in
new
york.
That's
where
they're
out
of
video
conferencing
and
getting
to
know
with
students
in
namibia-
and
I
thought
you
know
just
thinking
of
what
janet
fullfang
has
said
about
building
up
the
infrastructure.
E
You
know
within
africa
and
how
awesome
would
it
be?
So
I'm
actually
writing
a
grant
from
my
school
district
too.
In
addition
to
building
this
the
makerspace
bus,
I'm
writing
another
grant
for
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
E
That
will
help
us
fund
a
great
program
with
the
students
in
our
district,
connecting
to
the
students
in
africa
and
having
some
sort
of
either
a
partnership
or
a
mentorship
and
I'd
like
to
have
them.
E
You
know:
deliver
3d
printers
in
whatever
way
possible,
even
if
that
means
that
when
covet's
over,
I
get
on
a
plane
and
do
it
myself
and
and
have
them
work
together
and
share
with
one
another,
because,
just
speaking
and
and
reading
videos
and
learning
about
the
culture
in
africa
and
how
straightforward
they
are
and
how
just
eager
they
are
to
learn.
E
I
think
that,
with
my
students
you
know
they
would
have
so
much
to
learn
from
those
students,
because
we
have
everything
in
our
fingertips
and
it's
a
matter
of
ambition,
and
so
you
know
just
getting
that
alternate
perspective
from
one
another
and
working
on
a
project
together,
I
think,
would
ultimately
motivate
them.
My
students
are
designing
a
rover
right
now.
Perseverance
just
landed
on
mars
yesterday
with
ingenuity,
and
my
students
are
designing
a
rover
right
now
in
tinkercad,
based
on
research
of
other
rovers.
E
E
With
this
not
like
there
was
with
helping
hands
not
like
there
was
with
building
a
prosthetic
there's
there
we're
missing
that
connection
with
real
people.
That's
the
piece
that
we're
missing
and,
and
so
that's
why
I
just
I'm
trying
to
keep
continue
to
move
forward
in
this.
E
D
E
A
All
right
a
while
back,
we
had
a
call
with
some
folks
from
3d
crowd,
which
is
there's
some
interesting
parallels
between
their
group
and
ours
and
what
they
do,
although
they're
I'd
say
they're
more
organized
than
enable
they
a
little
bit
more
like
a
traditional
organization
where
there's
actually
somebody
you
know,
setting
standards
and
making
rules
and
that
kind
of
thing,
so
maybe
they're
in
a
different
position.
But
there
were.
There
were
three
topics
that
I
took
away
from.
That
meeting
that
I
I
thought
were
worth
following
up
on.
A
One
is
traceability,
essentially
keeping
records
of
what
we're
delivering
when
to
whom
version
control
that
kind
of
thing
and
we've
we've
talked
about
that
and
we're
doing
work
on
that
ben
has
been
reaching
out
to
some
chapters
to
see
what
they're
doing
for
traceability
and
we're
going
to
see.
If
maybe
there's
some
best
practices
that
can
be
borrowed
from
what's
already
being
done,
and
that
kind
of
thing
then
there's
distributed
qa.
A
The
idea
that,
when
one
of
their
people
makes
something
it
would
go
to
a
middle
person
before
getting
delivered
to
the
recipient
and
that
middle
person
would
do
q.
A
checks
on
it
to
make
sure
it's,
you
know
proper
quality
before
it
gets
delivered.
We
don't
really
do
that.
We
we
do
a
different
kind
of.
We
do
kind
of
front
end
qa,
so
our
volunteers
make
a
device
a
test
device
and
they
submit
it
to
our
badging
team.
A
You
know
via
photos
and
video
for
evaluation
and
once
they've
been
awarded
that
badge
it's
kind
of
like
all
right,
you're,
good,
you're,
clear
and
they
can
go
off
and
make
devices,
and
but
at
that
point,
if
they
make
a
device
for
somebody
it
just.
It
goes
straight
to
the
recipient.
There's
no
qa
on
individual
deliveries
that
might
be
worth
talking
about.
Don't
know
whether
that
makes
sense
for
us
or
not,
but
it
was
something
that
seemed
worth
following
up
on.
A
I'm
just
going
to
introduce
all
three
of
these
concepts
and
we
can
talk
about
them.
The
third
one
was
to
reimburse
makers.
So
when
they're
makers,
just
like
us,
they're
they're
makers,
take
on
the
cost
of
getting
the
materials
out
of
pocket,
but
then
they
get
reimbursed
so
when
they
make
something-
and
it
gets
you
know
donated,
they
have
record
keeping,
they
know
who's
making.
What
and
once
there's
an
approved
delivery
they
get
reimbursed
for
the
cost
of
having
made
that
that's
also
something
that
we've
tossed
around
in
the
past.
A
It
just
never
has
come
to
fruition,
but
we
do
have
money.
We
have
the
enable
fund.
So
we
have
the
ability
to
consider
this.
You
know
right
now:
we've
got
volunteers
all
over
the
place
that
are
giving
hands
away
for
free,
plus,
going
out
of
pocket
for
the
materials
and
the
shipping,
so
they're
going
out
of
pocket
to
the
tune
of
you
know
50,
maybe
a
hundred
dollars
depending
on
where
it's
going.
A
So
it's
worth
thinking
about
you
know:
do
we
put
a
program
in
place
to
reimburse
people
that
that
are
making
these
devices
charitably?
So
those
are
three
topics
I
wanted
to
put
on
the
table.
We
can
talk
about
any
one
of
those
if
you're
interested.
If
anyone
has
any
thoughts.
B
Maybe
I'll
I'll
look
at
connecting
some
some
of
these
really
quick.
The
we
talked
about
earlier
getting
some
feedback
from
chapters
the
some
of
the
leading
chapters
like
robotele
and
turkey
and
enable
france
that
have
these
larger
communities.
B
They
they
seem
like
they
all,
have
a
system
in
place,
there's
different
systems,
but
for
that
that
qa,
so
before
a
device
is
submitted
before
a
maker
is
approved.
There's
this
this
process
to
to
get,
I
don't
know
a
sense
of
the
quality
of
the
production.
A
B
I
think
in
enable
france
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
they
have
some
of
these
projects
that
are
custom
designs
and
they
put
a
team
together
and
they
do
have
you
know,
sort
of
a
way
of
kind
of
community.
What's
the
word.
A
B
Right
but
it's
interesting,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
that
some
of
this
stuff,
it's
interesting,
how
they
are
delegating
some
of
this.
You
can
have.
A
B
Well,
it
does
sound
like
you
know,
you
mentioned
the
the
reimbursement
through
records.
That's
that's
a
double-edged
thing.
That's
really
helpful
for
us
to
appreciate.
We
want
records
right
and
the
only
way
that
you
get
reimbursed
is
through
record
keeping
right,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
really
wonderful
well,
there
could
be
a
half
step
that
we
take,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
Everything
is
reinforced.
We
could
start
with.
B
You
know
shipping
or
we
can
start
with
materials
and
jeremy
you've
done
some
of
that
with
you
know
these
opportunities
for
teams
to
get
filament
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
financial.
It
can
also
be
show
us
the
record
of
deliveries
for
materials
and
we'll
send
you
materials,
and
you
know
we
can
get
sponsorship.
You
did
a
great
job
with
that
with
during
the
pandemic
efforts
I
saw
john's
hand,
go
up.
D
So
yeah,
those
are
all
really
good
things.
We've
talked
about
them
in
the
past.
The
fact
that
we
don't
have
them
is
something
of
an
embarrassment,
but
also
a
sign
that
we're
appropriately
cautious
about
taking
on
new
projects
and
new
infrastructure,
especially
because
when
they
pile
up
on
top
of
each
other,
as
has
happened
recently,
we,
our
minimal
staffing,
makes
it
difficult.
D
Lindsay's
presentation
reminds
me
that
we
have
this
sort
of
wider,
enable
which
is
not
just
about
3d
printed
prosthetics.
We
are
a
vague
and
far-flung
non-organization
connecting
some
of
these
initiatives,
integrating
them
rather
than
building
yet
another
artifact,
I
think,
is
a
strategy
we
have
to
consider
before
we
decide
to
build
yet
another
thing
ourselves.
B
Maybe
just
as
an
add-on
to
that
too,
it
sounds
like
there's
a
theme
that
goes
between
the
traceability,
between
the
quality
assurance
between
reimbursement,
about
accountability
and
maybe
even
a
question
for
isabella.
You
know
the
distributed
accountability.
How
does
that
work?
B
You
know
looking
for
prior
art,
other
organizations
that
can
delegate
accountability,
you
know
having
a
buddy
system
with
a
team
working
on
a
project,
a
custom
device
that
could
be
really
interesting
and,
as
john
mentioned,
how
that
connects
back
into
encouraging
some
of
these
behaviors
like
reporting
that
that
do
create
a
wider
awareness
of
activities.
B
D
A
D
A
Be
that'll
be
helpful.
The
one
thing
I'm
thinking
about
with
regards
to
reimbursements
is
just
I'm
asking
myself.
Is
this
something
that
we
could
do
now?
Even
if
we
wanted
to
you
know
with
the
enable
fund,
we
got
the
money
sitting
there,
but
I
don't
think
open
collective
is
the
best
mechanism
for
distributing
small
amounts.
A
You
know
on
a
on
a
frequent
basis
right
so
we'd
have
to
think
about.
You
know
switching
things
around
to
it's
almost
like
the
the
the
what
what
the
guys
are
working
on
for
the
chapter
wishbone
might
be
a
better
fit
for
this.
Where
you've
got
it
in
a
paypal
account,
you
can
just
shoot
a
paypal.
You
know
payment
to
somebody
for
reimbursement
or
something
like
that.
B
That's
a
great
point,
jeremy,
and
I
I
think
if
we
you
know
again
if
we
want
to
start
if
we
want
to
take
some
baby
steps
into
this
idea
of
reimbursing
makers
having
a
program
like
what
jeremy
did
with
the
filament,
allowing
people
to
make
a
request
and
then
have
it
have
a
very
specified
a
framework
for
what
we
need
back
from
them
to
get
filament,
let's
say
or
other
materials
costs
or
a
voucher
for
shipping.
B
I
think
if
we
picked
one
of
those
and
tried
it
out,
the
which
one
would
be
a
great
place
and
the
infrastructure
that
we're
building
would
work
well
for
that,
but
there
maybe
would
be
so.
That
would
be,
let's
say-
and
this
just
to
illustrate
this
wishbone.
The
way
it
works
is
isabella
wants
50
bucks.
She
says
I
need
50
bucks
to
keep
the
lights
on
jeremy,
reads
it
and
thinks
nah
john
reads:
reads
it
and
thinks
great
sends
50
bucks.
So
that's
the
vote.
B
He
votes
with
his
money,
but
the
spc
could
be
an
ident
identity
in
that,
so
we
could
have
something
where
the
spc
says:
hey
we've
got
this
material
or
these
vouchers,
and
then
people
can
request
that,
so
that
could
be
a
way
to
use
that
system
and
then
the
spc
could
approve
it.
Just
like
that
so
it'd,
like
lumio,
but
without
the
voting
it
could
be
direct.
A
So
if,
if
we
look
at
these
three
concepts
as
a
whole,
I
would
say,
let's
set
aside
distributed
qa
for
the
moment,
because
I
think
we
have
a
process,
that's
working
for
now
we're
at
least
doing
you
know
we're
making
sure
people
are
checked,
at
least
at
the
front
end.
So,
let's,
let's
set
that
one
aside,
I
agree
with
ben
that
we
can
link
reimbursing
makers
with
the
traceability
goals.
A
So
if
we
take
those
two
together,
I
think
I
think
that
ben's
on
the
right
track
talking
to
chapters
let's
find
out
what
they're
doing
right
now
on
both
phones,
see
if
they're
doing
any
reimbursement,
see
what
they're
doing
for
for
record,
keeping
and
traceability
and-
and
let's
think
about
building
a
program
that
that
links
those
because
I
I
agree,
I
think
that's
our
best
chance.
A
B
Yeah
and
the
back
end
to
that
which
john
is
putting
john
and
massive
putting
a
lot
of
time,
you
know
bob
being
able
to
go
through
the
new
database
system
coming
up.
B
That
will
make
it
much
easier
for
us,
I
think,
to
be
collecting
this
stuff
again.
The
wishbone
project
is
for
chapters
specifically,
but
we
can
start
to
have
data
collected
in
the
background.
That'll
make
it
much
easier
for
us.
If
this
takes
off.
Let's
say
we
get
20
chapters
that
that
want
to
participate
in
this
sort
of
some
kind
of
reimbursement.
A
Well,
we
do
need
to
think
about
that.
I
mean
if
the
wishbone
project
is
the
mechanism
we're
thinking
about
for
addressing
this,
and
the
wishbone
project
is
geared
towards
chapters
only.
You
know
we
need
to
think
about
all
the
many
volunteers
we
have
out
there
that
are
not
associated
with
a
chapter.
You
know
people
like
me
and
bob
that
have
a
lot
of
costs
and
expenses
and
are
doing
a
lot
of
good
work.
B
B
A
great
goal
to
get
to
eventually.
D
I
suspect
that
wishbone
will
eventually
expand
beyond
chapters,
but
we
also
have
badges
as
a
trackable
accounting
mechanism
right
both
of
those
systems
are
coming
online.
Now
they're
going
to
go
through
revision,
I
think
once
they
exist
and
we've
got
some
experience
using
them.
We
may
well
find
that
we
have
mechanisms
like
getting
a
badge
for
delivering
a
case
report
which
becomes
fungible
for
reimbursement
right.
D
I
I
I
don't
know
why
you
couldn't
have
a
class
of
badges
where
you
can
get
repeated
instances
of
the
same
badge.
But
the
point
is
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
have
an
appetite
for
trying
to
create
a
whole
new
mechanism.
All
I'm
really
saying
is
we
have
two
mechanisms
that
are
going
through
upgrades
right
now
and
they
may
be
useful
for
this
ambition
that
we've
agreed
we'd
like
to
meet
fair
enough.
A
I
just
think
I
think
badges
are
tied
to
entities
the
badges
are
tied
to
the
individuals
or
the
groups.
I
think
if
we
try
to
turn
badging
into
a
means
of
tracing
individual
deliveries
or
device
deliveries,
I
just
think
it's
going
to
get
very
chaotic,
very
quickly.
It's
going
to
make
a
lot
of
badging
work
for
us,
and
it's
going
to
mean
that
when
you
go
to
your
profile
page
and
enable
web
central
you're
going
to
see
a
wall
of
badges,
most
of
which
are
duplicate,
you
know
for
device
deliveries
it
just.
A
I
just
don't
know
if
that's
the
best
answer
but
but
but
I
think
they
could
be
part
of
the
answer.
B
Right,
there's
something
interesting
about
the
badging
in
that
it's
it's
transparent,
so
I
think
what
we
want
to
try
to
figure
out
just
like
with
these
micro
funds,
or
we
want
to
set
it
up
in
a
way.
So
these
activities
that
that
the
community
is
going
through
becomes
very
clear.
That's
in
some
ways,
there's
some
street
cred.
That
comes
with
that.
If
you
can
tell
that
a
member
has
been
involved
with,
you
know
some
of
these
programs.
A
I
just
think
I
just
think
the
way
the
badges
have
always
been
you
know
arranged
is
more
towards
like
to
use
this
as
an
example.
It
would
be
maybe
a
badge
for
having
submitted
five
case
reports
or
ten
case
reports.
It's
it's
more
of
something
to
recognize
ongoing
activity
over
time
and
and
behavior.
I
just
think
if
you,
if
you
try
to
do
a
badge
for
each
individual
device,
that's
going
to
get
to
be
problematic
for
us.
A
Enough
all
right,
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
point
to
wrap
for
today
cause
we're
five
minutes
from
the
top
of
the
hour.
Let
me
just
ask
if
anyone
else
has
anything
that
we
didn't
get
to
that
you'd
like
to
discuss.
B
Maybe
just
a
quick
nod
to
bob
he.
He
has
gotten
together
the
packages
to
send
out
to
oh
yeah,
some
of
our
main
donors.
He
did
a
wonderful
job
documenting
it
all
I'll
prepare
a
post
for
the
hub,
but
I
think
more
than
a
post
is
just
gonna
get
lost
somewhere.
I
think,
having
a
page
somewhere
where
we
can
sort
of
have
an
explanation
of
these
handbags
in
a
public
way
and
start
to
think
about
that.
As
a
part
of
our
strategy,
I
think,
is
great.
F
I'll
be
going
to
the
post
office
this
afternoon
to
mail
one
of
the
packages
going
to
switzerland.
So
that's
we'll
see
what
that
involves.
F
Yes,
well,
I
I
have
a
feeling,
based
on
my
own
shipping,
internationally
of
devices
that
one
box
is
going
to
be
a
hundred
dollars.
I
would
guess.
F
D
B
Where
would
would
be
a
good
place
to
host
this
page
on
this
handbag
stuff.
C
Thank
you
I'll
I'll,
try
to
keep
it
to
one
question,
but
I
was
curious.
How
often
do
designs
get
updated
and
who
updates
them?
That's
good
like
phoenix
hand,
for
example,.
A
You
thought
that
was
one
question
yeah.
The
most
important
thing
to
understand
is
that,
like
so
much
of
our
community,
there's
nobody
in
charge
and
the
same
applies
with
devices.
There
is
no
group
or
individual
that's
in
charge
of
updating
designs.
Each
individual
design
has
a
designer,
so
you
know
joe
x
might
have
created.
You
know
one
design
and
mike
created
this
other
design.
Each
one
of
them
is
going
to
update
those
designs.
However,
they
see
fit
so
one
guy
might
update
his
designs.
A
You're
right,
that's
right,
because
somebody
holds
the
license.
Somebody
created
those
3d
cad
files,
somebody
uploads
it
to
thingiverse
or
wherever
and
sets
the
license,
and
that's
not
us.
That's
that's.
Whoever
did
the
3d
modeling,
whoever
uploads
that
on
shares
it
online.
They
choose
the
license.
They're
the
license
holder,
that's
their
design.
Now
these
are
all
mostly
derivative
works
that
stem
from
other
designs,
but
these
are
all
being
shared
as
open
source.
A
C
A
B
One
quick
thing
to
mention
to
tie
back
to
what
you
were
saying:
there
is
a
fundraising
space
in
the
hub.
I
I'll
make
a
page
and
I'll
add
it
there
in
the
wiki
and
maybe
isabella
that
could
be
a
place
to
start
putting
some
of
your
work
related
to
fundraising
and
the
stuff
from
your
class,
even
resources
that
you're
reading
that'd
be
awesome.
Yeah.
A
No
different
link,
the
zoom
link
is
in
the
it's
in
the
hub,
but
I
I
put
it
in
the
chat
here
as
well.
A
Look
up
in
the
look
in
the
chat
it
was
back
at
10
15.
Am
I
put
a
link
to
the
to
the
hub
page
that
has
the
zoom
link
in
it.
B
To
keep
up
after
this,
or
do
you
have
time
now,
maybe
I
can
catch
you
to
ask
you
a
quick
question
about
the
parallel
survey
that
we
want
to
do.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
document's
ready.
B
Yeah
we
I
just
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
parallel
survey.
It
worked
so
well
last
time,
but
we
filled
it
up
the
last
time,
so
we
needed.