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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - July 16, 2021
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This is the weekly e-NABLE Town Hall meeting for Friday, July 16, 2021.
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A
Okay,
we're
live
so
if
anybody
is
watching
on
youtube
feel
free
to
comment,
we
will
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
those,
as
well
as
our
own
chat
here.
Give
me
just
a
moment
to
get
my
windows
set
up
here.
I'm
sorry,
you're,
probably
hearing
all
of
the
lawn
maintenance
people
outside
we're
trying
to
quiet
that
down
here.
A
Just
need
to
get
my
comments
up
and
we'll
be
ready
to
go
sorry
all
these
windows.
Okay.
So
here's
the
comments,
let's
pop,
that
out,
put
the
comments
down
here.
So
we
can
keep
an
eye
on
those
okay.
C
Ben,
I
hope
I'm
as
you
can
see,
as
you
can't
see,
maybe
not
in
a
position
to
take
notes
today.
D
Okay,
I'll
do
my
best
and
yeah
I'll
just
go
to
the
invite
and
get
those.
A
Okay
introductions:
well:
let's
introduce
andrew
we're
just
talking
with
andrew
who
is
going
to
be
giving
us
a
presentation
about
arm
shape,
but
we're
going
to
do
that
another
day,
so
we
can
dedicate
the
whole
session
just
to
that
andrew.
Maybe
you
could
just
introduce
yourself
for
us
real
quick
so
that
we
can
give
people
a
little
teaser
here.
B
Sure
my
name
is
andrew,
I'm
from
madison
area
in
wisconsin,
I'm
a
pretty
recent
software
engineering
graduate.
I
just
started
working
with
enable
like
maybe
six
weeks
ago,
or
so
I
came
initially
to
offer
my
3d
printing
services,
but
there
is
nobody
in
our
area
who
needs
that
at
the
moment.
So
I
hopped
on
the
project
to
convert
the
phoenix
v3
from
fusion
over
to
onshape
and
it's
been
it's
been
a
cool
learning
experience.
A
Excellent
okay,
so
we're
going
to
set
up
a
session
where
andrew
can
kind
of
take
us
through
maybe
collaborating
with
ward.
I
don't
know,
but
we'll
get
a
presentation
about
onshape,
with
specifically
a
focus
of
people
coming
from
fusion,
which
I
I
know
I'm
looking
forward
to
so
we'll
communicate
that
on
the
hub
as
far
as
date
and
time
and
hope
to
see
everyone
there,
thanks,
andrew
okay,
so
on
we
go
just
a
few
action
items
today
and
by
the
way
andrew
you're
welcome
to
stay
with
us.
A
This
is
more
of
a
kind
of
a.
I
don't
know
what
we
call
this.
This
is
our
community
coordination
meeting
enable
town
hall.
This
is
the.
What
do
we
have
ccc
community.
A
You
go,
thank
you,
sorry
been
a
change
recently
and
I'm
still
getting
it
straight
anyway.
These
are
just
to
talk
about
community
issues
as
a
whole
and
how
you
know,
gathering
best
practices
from
throughout
the
enable
community
and
trying
to
share
those
and
discussing
how
we
can
help
each
other
out,
basically
and
so
andrew.
You
are
welcome
to
stay
with
us
and
join
that
discussion.
You
are
also
welcome
to
drop
if
you
have
other
things
to
do.
It's
entirely
up
to
you.
B
C
A
A
We
sorted
out
all
the
details
of
how
we're
going
to
do
it
and
what
sort
of
criteria
just
the
net
net
of
it
is
that
what
we're
going
to
do
is
it'll,
be
a
single
badge
for
sizing,
we're
calling
it
the
enabled
device,
sizing,
volunteer
and
it'll
be
a
single
badge,
but
you
can
use
it
either
for
hands
or
for
arms,
depending
on
what
you
want
to
focus
on.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
doing
hands
we're
giving
you
we're
giving
you
three
sample
sizing
photos,
two
of
them
are
hands.
A
One
of
them
is
an
arm.
So
you
pick
what
you're
interested
in
and
if
you
want
to
do
hands
you
evaluate
the
two
hands.
If
you
want
to
do
an
arm,
you
evaluate
the
arm.
You
submit
your
recommendation,
your
scaling
screenshots
of
your
sizing
process,
that's
all
being
detailed
out
and
bob
will
evaluate
what
you
submit
and
we'll
issue
that
badge
accordingly.
So
we're
in
the
final
stage
bob
has
written
up
the
descriptive
content
I
needed
for
those
sample
cases,
and
now
it's
just
on
me.
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
Sorry,
it's
taking
so
long
john
figure
out
how
to
embed
lumio
summary.
So
I
think
you
said
this
was
done
right.
A
Awesome:
okay,
I'm
going
to
mark
that
one
off
and
then
john
collect
ot
resources
and
pass
to
ben
and
bob.
E
Yes,
you
did,
you
did
directly
pass
them
to
me
and
another
thing
I'm
doing
john
is
I
I
set
up
the
relationship
between
the
the
ot
in
chicago
and
the
chapter
leader
at
nutria,
high
school
they're.
Communicating
directly
now
and
I'm
going
to
today
actually
send
an
email
to
the
ot
and
say:
hey:
do
you
have
a
professional
organization?
You
found
us?
How
can
other
ots
find
us
so
I'll
I'll?
You
know
use
that
also.
C
Well,
that's
great,
let
me
suggest
that
you
post
a
little
report
like
what
you
just
said
into
the
hub
space,
which
includes
the
images
just
so
we
start
developing
a
a
trail
and
a
list
of
names
relevant
to
the
ot
stuff.
D
Got
it
okay,
and
I
guess,
for
my
part
I
did
add
the
resources
that
john
had
shared
in
the
hub
post
into
the
enable
customization
space.
I
have
the
link
in
the
chat
if
there's
a
better
place
for
it.
Just
let
me
know.
D
A
I
I
like
that
idea.
I
don't
know
that
you
necessarily
need
to
do
one
a
week
I
mean
if
there's
one
that
needs
more
attention
or
if
there's
one
that
hasn't
had
enough
attention
or
what
have
you,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
kind
of
trickling
them
as
opposed
to
like
here's
12
cases.
We
need
help
with,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
do
like
the
idea
of
trickling
them
out.
A
D
I
don't
think
we
need
a
special
tag,
for
we
do
have
a
existing
tag,
that's
case
studies
and
it's
a
pretty
popular
one.
I've
noticed
you
guys
probably
have
as
well
that
there's
been
a
large
amount
of
people
sharing
cases
that
they're
working
on
and
some
really
fruitful
comments
and
conversations.
So
I
think
these
case
of
the
week
challenges
are
with
many
others
and
it
seems
like.
A
C
D
They
can
they
can
do
that
by
clicking
on
the
topic,
so
that
that's
a
good
point,
jeremy
and-
and
we
do
have
that
set
up,
but
it's
it's
with
the
other.
If
somebody
else
also
shares
a
case
that
they're
struggling
with
those
are
similar.
A
D
Great
I'll
share
the
tag
with
you
guys
and
you
can.
Let
me
know
if
that's
good
or
we
should
change
it.
A
Well,
this
particular
case
yeah
all
right,
so
I
did
not
have
a
chance
this
morning
to
get
the
metrics
updated.
So
I'm
going
to
skip
over
that
and
we'll
go
right
to
the
discussion
topics
this
one.
Actually,
I
should
have
archived.
This
was
an
update
from
bob
last
time
about
the
collaboration
between
the
chicago
chapter
and
the
occupational
therapist,
but
any
updates
there.
Bob.
E
And
I
will
post
it
on
the
on
the
forum
joan.
E
A
Nice,
okay
ben
any
updates
on
your
investigations
into
some
kind
of
live
integrated.
Note.
B
B
A
A
A
A
A
C
C
Okay,
this
is
not
particularly
sensitive
masby
is,
I
did
reach
out
to
masley
he's
very
busy.
I
said
I'd
like
to
be
reassured
as
to
whether
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
departure
or
whether
which
you
know
may
be
in
the
cards
eventually
or
whether
you're
just
busy.
He
said
no,
no.
I
promised
I
want
to
finish
the
things
we're
involved
in
there's
a
lot
of
it,
I'm
just
very
busy
right
now.
C
I
did
ask
him
if
I
did
say
that
we
I'd
like
his
help,
figuring
out
how
to
be
less
vulnerable
to
his
understandable
periods
of
unavailability,
and
he
said
he'd
try
to
develop
a
plan,
but
that
was
a
week
ago.
So
that's
the
update.
D
And
keep
in
mind
that
as
we
did
join
the
the
chapter
leaders
roundtable,
which
was
great,
I
thought
that
went
really
well
and
he
had
some
some
great
questions
for
the
team
in
ireland.
So
you
know
I
I
think
he's
got
a
lot
going
on,
but
he's
he's
continuing
to
participate
and
that
whole
group
is
going
to
be
involved
with
the
chapter
manager
that
we
talked
about
in
the
hub.
D
So
other
things
are
moving
but
yeah
the
smaller
things
he
did
respond
to
john's
email
right
away,
but
said
that
what
john
was
suggesting
wouldn't
work.
So
you
know
we
can.
We
can
keep
collecting
those
things
and
it'll
give
us
feedback.
So.
A
Well,
we
might
just
want
to
think
about
the
fact.
Just
as
a
you
know,
I
I
guess
I'm
thinking
more
almost
in
a
business
mindset
here,
but
you
usually
think
about
single
points
of
failure
as
as
a
point
of
risk
in
a
business-
and
I
you
know
we
rely
a
lot
on
the
hub
and
as
of
now,
we
as
a
community
are
100
reliant
on
masby
for
any
kind
of
development,
any
kind
of
managing
of
the
code
for
the
hub.
Not
that
that's
a
problem.
A
C
Right,
I
think
masby
agrees
with
that.
Getting
his
time
to
help
us
come
up
with
the
right
formula.
Is
our
current
challenge,
but
that's
why
they
pay
us.
The
big
bucks.
A
Fair
enough,
so
then,
back
to
onboarding
I
mean
I
know
in
terms
of
those
short
term
like
easy,
quick
fixes.
Once
we
can
figure
that
out.
I
know
I
would
like
to
take
the
upcoming
events
widget
on
the
right
sidebar
and
have
that
moved
way
up
to
the
top,
because
right
now
it's
it's
way
down
below,
and
I
don't
know
what
you
guys
think.
But
that's
the
first
thing
I'd
want
to
see
is
what
are
the?
What
are
the
next
events
coming
up?
You
know:
is
there
a
meeting
starting
in
five.
C
A
D
Maybe
what
he
said
specifically
was
that
there's
what
comes
out
of
the
box
with
the
hub,
which
is
organized,
however,
it
is,
and
that's
sort
of
pretty
deep
in
there,
but
then
there's
custom
pages
that
you
can
decide
where,
where
the
custom
page
goes.
So
it
might
be
possible
to
have
a
custom
version
of
the
calendar
that
he
can
stick
up
at
the
top.
But
it
is
one
of
those
things
where
hum
hub
is
just
pretty
limited.
It's
not
for
a
lack
of
trying
on
masby's
part.
C
E
B
E
John,
so
let's
see
there
was.
A
There
was
moving
the
upcoming
events
up
to
the
top.
The
other
thing
that
we
talked
about
is
maybe
taking
all
of
those
automated
bot
posts.
As
far
as
welcoming
new
members
and
things
like
that
and
having
those
post
into
the
new
members
space
instead
of
into
the
main
forum.
Just
so
we
don't
have
so
much
noise
there,
and
I
think
those
were
the
two
things
that
we
talked
about
as
hopefully
quick
fixes.
Maybe
one
of
them
isn't
so
quick
was.
Do
you
know
if
there
was
any
discussion
about
that?
C
B
C
B
E
Can
I
just
chime
in
support
for
john's
idea,
because
the
reality
is,
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
money
in
the
enable
fund
we're
about
to
get
a
fair
amount,
more
I'd
like
to
go
after
one
or
two
other
candidates
for
a
fair
amount.
That's
right,
but
I
have
to
have
a.
E
A
Not
a
bad
idea,
let's
see
what
we
can
do
well,
john,
will
look
into
it.
Let's
see,
we
talked
about
concierge
mentorship
services,
which
really
bob
you're,
already
kind
of
prototyping
for
us.
A
What
else
we
talked
about
some
interns,
any
news
on
the
interns.
Do
we
have
any
details
about
who
and
when
and.
C
As
a
matter
of
fact,
just
a
couple
of
days
ago,
I
got
four
resumes
which
I
haven't
even
opened
because,
as
you
know,
we've
been
scrambling
on
masks,
so
we
need
to
review
them.
We
need
to
say
who
do
we
want
to
interview
and
then
we
need
to
pick
them
who
would
like
to
be
on
the
hiring
committee.
D
I
guess
I
want
to
be
involved
just
to
try
to
align
it
with
okay,
that's
great.
E
Sounds
good
jeremy?
Can
I
raise
an
issue
just
for
for
everybody's
information
here
please?
I
you-
and
I
discussed
it
briefly
during
the
call
on
the
sizing
badge,
but
something
I'm
seeing
fairly
frequently
with
the
new
badging
system
is
that
people
who
are
applying
for
the
the
assembly
and
fabrication
badges
those
badges
they're,
not
reading
the
requirements?
E
Now
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
human
nature
problem
or
a
a
system
problem
or
yes,
but
the
reality
is
that
you
know
when
it
says,
send
certain
types
of
photos
send
a
short
video.
I
get
one
photo
or
two
photos,
no
video
and
you
can't
really
assess
and
I'm
denying
these
badges
and
I'm
saying
hey,
look.
Please
read
the
requirements.
I
need
to
have
this
reapply
with
the
proper
evidence,
I'm
being
polite,
but
a
little
parental.
A
Looking
at
a
glance
here-
and
I
I
see
a
lot
of
text
and
as
I
think
about
human
nature,
people
don't
like
to
read
so
we
have
earning
criteria
and
we
list
out
all
this
detail.
But
maybe
we
just
need
to
add
something
in
here
that
just
says
you
know.
Evidence
must
include
and
then
just
have
like
three
short
bullets
saying
exactly
what
must
be
received.
E
E
A
D
C
B
A
A
Sure,
okay,
do
you
need
me
to
do
that?
Just
should
I
do
that
for
all
of
the
device,
specific
badges,
bob
or.
E
Yeah,
well,
you
know
the
only
batch
requests.
We're
getting
frankly
are
you
know,
join
the
hub,
introduce
self
in
the
hub.
We
get
a
few
peop
having
produced
ppe
right,
and
then
we
get
the
the
device
badges
for
two
or
three
types
right.
That's
it
there
really
has.
There
have
been
no
chapter
badges
coming
in
anywhere
into
either
the
hub
or
or
into
zoho.
E
There's
there's
no
other
of
the
miscellaneous
badges.
You
know
social
media,
a
video
badge
here
and
there
it's.
You
know.
I
think
the
badger
system
is
working.
Well,
I
wouldn't
say
it
has
increased
activity
at
all.
E
E
D
A
E
The
only
other
issue
is,
you
know
when
people
say
introduce
self
in
the
hub.
They
send
me
a
generic
link
to
the
forum
without
their
post
or
anything
else.
You
know
so.
A
E
A
Okay,
I
will
take
care
of
those
clarifications.
Hopefully,
that'll
reduce
those
incorrect
submissions,
all
right,
so
any
other
thoughts
on
just
kind
of
anything
short
term.
We
can
do
until
we
figure
out
how
to
do
hub
development.
Anything
else
in
the
short
term
that
we
can
do
just
to
improve
the
usability
of
the
hub,
reduce
noise.
Any
anything
like
that.
Any
other
suggestions
right
now
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
A
A
I
think
it's
this
drop
down
here.
No,
that's
draw
io,
let's
see
now.
I
have
to
remember
how
to
do
this,
oh
here
down
here,
so
you
go
to
polls
on
the
left
side.
A
You
create
a
poll
and
then
yeah,
so
you
type
a
question
here
and
then
you
can
list
out
your
answers.
You
can
decide
multiple
answers
per
user
or
whatever
you
can
choose
your
options.
So
yeah
there
is
a
polling
feature,
but
you
have
to
go
to
the
polls
in
the
space
menu
here
on
the
side
to
get
to
it,
but
then
it'll
show
up
in
the
stream,
so
people
can
vote
on
it.
So
yeah
we
do
have
that.
We
don't
use
it
much.
A
A
Oh
okay:
well
we
got
to
do
a
better
job
of
communicating
that
then,
obviously,
so
there
you
go,
we
can
do
polls,
but
the
next
topic,
then,
is
the
one
actually
that
alexander
brought
up
in
the
chat.
So
alexander,
you
are
asking
about
what
about
a
proper
r
d
department
with
a
proper
leader.
So
let's
talk
about
that.
What
are
your
thoughts.
F
Right
there
is
this
issue
that,
in
my
in
my
case,
for
example,
I
am
still
technically
a
newcomer,
so
I
have
no
idea
what
the
community
actually
needs
and
what
the
main
issues
are.
I
know
how
to
design
stuff.
I
know
how
to
test
them.
F
I
have
no
social
skills
per
se,
so
there
is
a
need
for
somebody
to
coordinate
all
the
research
and
development
projects
instead
of
putting
all
that
pressure
of
what
does
the
community
really
need
on
each
designer
on
its
own,
because
there
are
people
that
are
already
way
more
experienced
in
the
community
that
would
probably
love
to
to
have
their
say
and
to
coordinate
the
projects.
They
would
only
need
to
need
to
really
tell
this
is
probably
the
the
biggest
priority
right
now
for
research.
F
F
E
F
Yeah,
it
can
be
run,
it
can
be
run
based
on
votes
or
it
can
be
run
for
only
one
year
at
a
time,
but
each
by
a
person.
F
C
C
C
Fourthly,
I
know,
but
this
group
may
not
know
that
alexander,
as
we
do
know,
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
high
quality
work
in
the
community
and
he
has
gotten
interested
in
the
possibility
of
a
lumio
grant
and
proposal,
and
I
would
encourage
this
conversation
to
go
forward
so
that
we
can
see
if
we
can
shape
up
something
that
might
begin
gradually,
but
move
in
the
direction
with
potential
compensation
of
the
kind
of
thing
alexander
is
talking
about.
A
I
I
would
agree,
I
think
that
would
be
an
excellent
thing
for
the
community
to
vote
on,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
if
you
were
to
write
this
up
as
somebody
that
could
try
to
coordinate
and
pull
together.
All
of
these
you
know
disparate
r
d
efforts
going
on
and-
and
I
I
know
I
would
vote
for
that-
so
yeah.
B
E
B
E
B
Yeah
well
from
what
I've
noticed
from
being
here,
you
know
even
the
short
amount
of
time.
I've
been
here
that
all
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
cases
where
we
need
modifications
you
know
to
because
you
know
obviously
everybody's
different,
but
so
I
was
the
way
I
was
kind
of
leveraging.
Everything
here
is
to
come
up
with
the
base
design
like
the
phoenix
and
then
make
the
cad
files
accessible
and
highly
editable.
B
A
A
Of
this
challenge,
one
is
coordinating
the
people
across
different
regions
and
time
zones
and
language
barriers,
but
also
that
is
the
the
infrastructure
everyone's
going
to
be
using
their
own
preferred
cad
program.
I
mean
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
get
everyone
to
agree
on
a
cad
program
to
be
used.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
You.
F
A
If
we
could
get
all
of
our
designs
into
onshape,
for
example,
and
invite
everyone
into
the
same,
enable
group
and
on
shape
and
have
all
of
our
designs
and
have
branching,
you
know
versions
of
those
designs
with
people
commenting
and
collaborating.
That
would
be
wonderful.
I
don't
know.
E
A
E
A
B
A
Exactly-
and
I
think
I
think,
that's
kind
of
what
we're
driving
at
here
is
there's
there's
kind
of
two
possible
approaches
here.
One
is
the
approach
that
alexander
is
putting
forward
kind
of
a
managed,
organized
approach
where
somebody
tries
to
herd
the
cats,
as
bob
said,
and
pull
all
this
together
and
do
formal
project
management.
F
E
A
D
I
was
gonna
mention
that
I
think
part
of
the
the
research
process
that
that
we
are
starting
to
see
commonly
followed.
Is
you
create
a
space?
You
have
public
information?
You
have
a
regular
meeting.
Your
weekly
or
monthly
meeting
is
there's
a
reminder
that
you're
sending
in
the
hub
to
get
more
people
involved.
Some
of
that
stuff's
already
going
on,
like
with
the
bionics
group.
D
I
I
do
think
one
way
to
approach
this
is
to
recognize
that
we
have
these
specific
projects
that
are
often
you
know
following
you
know
a
space
and
a
regular
meeting,
and
then
we
have
these
cases
that
pop
up
that
have
these
challenges
and-
and
I
put
in
a
link
in
the
chat
one
of
the
things
that
we
defined
last
week-
was
sort
of
these
teams
that
work
on
cases
involving
sort
of
a
device
specialist
somebody
that
would
be
able
to
guide
and
help
customize-
and
maybe
that's
what
alexander
is
talking
about.
D
Maybe
it
would
be
not
somebody
to
just
coordinate
the
r
d,
but
basically
somebody
that's
going
to
bridge
together
those
two
aspects
and
if
there's
a
case
that
somebody
needs
help
with
they'd,
be
able
to
sort
of
give
some
real
life
purpose
to
some
of
these
groups.
Potentially
to
you
know,
to
sort
of
be
a
committee
that
would
support
a
loan
project
or
a
case
that
might
need
an
extra
set
of
eyes.
F
It's
somebody
that
makes
the
designers
work
easier
because
me
as
a
designer
I'm
lazy.
I
don't
want
to
think
about
all
the
social
things
that
are
going
on.
I
want
to
be
given
a
project
and
I
want
to
work
on
the
project
and
we
do
need
a
lot
of
designers
for
a
lot
of
different
topics
and
we
need
somebody
to
coordinate
all
the
designers
or,
if
not
all
the
designers,
all
the
designers
that
want
to
be
coordinated.
C
I
that's
that's
exactly
right.
My
only
caution
on
this
alexander
is
that
as
a
designer
you're
not
going
to
be
that
happy
spending
as
much
time.
Well,
the
10,
the
you
need
to
be
a
designer
in
order
to
do
what
we're
talking
about,
but
you're,
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time.
The
person
who
takes
this
position
will
spend
a
lot
of
time
not
designing,
but
rather
hurting
cats.
Making
the
cat's
lives
easier.
C
F
I'm
well
aware
of
that,
and
I
can
define
the
position
about
actually
taking
the
position.
I've
seen
that
oh
word
also
wants
the
may
want
the
same
position.
F
F
B
Yeah,
no,
no,
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
run
anything.
I
just
want
to
do
the
engineering
and
do
the
design
and
organize
I
mean
I'll
I'll
I'll
help
people
if
they,
you
know
if
some
of
these
sub
chapters
need
help,
need
design
help
I'll
we'll
I'll
do
that,
but.
B
A
So
we've
got
lots
of
options,
as
always,
I
will
say
that
I'll
just
put
my
personal
opinion
out
here,
which
is
I
find
myself
gravitating
towards
what
ben
said
we
already
have,
I
think,
done
a
good
job
of
modeling,
an
approach
where
you
create
a
space
in
the
hub.
You
set
up
a
recurring
weekly
meeting.
A
You
invite
people
to
join,
see
who's
interested
and
gets
involved
people
kind
of
come
and
go
you'll
start
to
get
a
kind
of
a
core
group
together,
and
you
just
it's:
it's
really
those
weekly
recurring
meetings
that
become
the
core.
You
know
tool
for
what
we're
talking
about
here,
because
it
really
is
just
about
the
communication.
Where
are
you
at
on
on
on
your
effort
here?
Where
are
you
at
on
that
over
there?
What's
our
next
step
and
and
the
weekly
meetings
really
do
work
well
for
that?
So
just
think
about
that.
A
I
think
any
of
these
approaches
could
work
well,
but
that
seems
to
be
the
most
immediately
accessible
as
something
that
might
move
us
forward.
D
I
was
going
to
say
what
to
add
to
what
jeremy's
saying
coordination
between
cases
could
be
something
that
would
be
worth
looking
into,
so
this
sort
of
device,
specialist
role
that
I
added
in
the
chat.
That
was
a
response
to
a
post
in
the
hub
that
as
something
you
know,
if
somebody
wanted
to
dance
around
between
all
the
cases
and
and
basically
be
a
an
expert
on
customization
for
live
cases
and
play
that
role
and
across
different
projects.
That
could
be
something
that
would
be
really
useful.
D
That
does
involve
design
and
it
would
probably
involve
connecting
to
specific
groups.
So
something
to
think
about.
A
C
D
Now
we
do
have
others
too,
it's
not
just
bob,
but
he's
been.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
badges
and
that
kind
of
stuff
that.
B
F
B
D
But
it's,
I
guess
the
the
way
that
I
use.
That
term
is
it's
a
role.
So,
if
somebody's
trying
to
print
a
phoenix
hand-
and
they
say
how
do
I
do
this
and
some
somebody
says
hey-
you
can
do
this
and
you
look
at
their
badge
and
they've
printed
one.
Then
they
have
experience
with
that.
If
somebody
has,
you
know
a
number
of
different
devices,
they
could
volunteer
for
a
case
and
say
I
can
play
the
role
of
the
device
specialist
for
this
specific
project,
because
I
have
experience
with
it.
D
E
A
We
originally
established
all
these
device,
specific
badges
specifically
for
enable
web
central.
The
idea
was
that
when
you
go
to
offer
to
help
on
a
case,
it
would
look
to
see
if
you
have
the
corresponding
badge
for
the
type
of
design
that
that
case
needs,
and
it
would
not
allow
you
to
volunteer
unless
you
have
the
right
badge.
We
turned
that
off
or
we
abandoned
that
back
in
the
beginning,
because
we
wanted
to
kind
of
take
down
barriers
and
try
to
get
as
many
people
into
ewc
as
possible.
A
But
now
that
we've
got
a
lot
more
people
that
have
sort
of
embraced
the
badging
system
and
there's
a
lot
more
people
with
badges.
At
some
point,
we
could
revisit
that.
Do
we
want
to
you
know,
systemically
enforce.
You
know
that
you
cannot
connect
into
a
case
unless
you
have
a
corresponding
badge.
That,
of
course
ties
back
to
the
discussion
of.
Do
we
want
to
go
back
and
do
that
kind
of
custom
development
in
ewc,
or
are
we
focusing
on
some
other
possible
platform
or
avenue,
and
so
that
opens
up
that
whole
can
of
worms?
A
D
A
Involved
in
a
it's,
a
qualification
check,
yeah
so
before
you
get
involved
in
this
case
with
a
certain
role,
have
you
been
validated?
You
know
to
show
that
you're
qualified
for
that
role?
Now
so
far,
we've
just
said:
you
know
we're
just
going
to
let
the
volunteers
use
their
own
judgment,
we're
going
to
say
they
can
decide
when
they're
ready
to
get
involved.
I'm
just
saying
at
some
point
we
might
want
to
revisit
that.
Well,.
A
No
well
on
a
case.
Yes,
so
a
case
has
one
fabricator,
one
assembler,
it
has
one,
you
know
person
doing
the
sizing
which
we
call
the
experienced
volunteer.
One
person
can
play
all
these
roles
and
then
you
can
add
additional
roles
that
have
any
custom
names
you
want.
So
you
could
add
a
medical
professional.
You
could
add
a
you
know,
a
cad
designer.
You
could
add
whatever
you
need
to
the
case,
so
you
could
build
out
a
case
team.
However,
you
want,
if
you
wanted
to
have
you
know
three
people
doing
assembly.
C
You
know
I've
johnny.
First,
I've
developed
a
number
of
prejudices
over
the
years,
which
I
will
share.
They
might
even
be
true,
you
know
one
is
that
the
the
role
we're
talking
about
is
better
described
as
a
coordinator
than
a
director,
because
our
ethos
has
been
that
we
don't
exactly
direct,
but
we
do
what
alexander
says.
We
think
about
ways
in
which
we
can
make
it
easy
and
rewarding
to
do
things
voluntarily,
which
contribute
to
the
greater
good
and
the
greater.
C
Masby
is
all
of
those
things,
but
we
just
talked
about
how
his
ability
to
make
a
long-term
commitment
is
interrupted
by
the
demands
of
work,
and
I
have
encouraged
masby
to
be
to
become
paid
and
he
keeps
turning
it
down
for
reasons
I
don't
understand.
C
I
don't
know
andrew
well
enough,
but
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
he
could
be
the
right
person,
but
I
don't
but
he's
I
think,
he's
already
indicated
that
he's
not
prepared
to
be
the
right
person
yet
and
he's
new
ward
has
already
said
he
wants
to
do.
The
engineering
stuff,
which
is
great
but
alexander,
is
a
young
man.
He's
been
with
us
long
enough
to
demonstrate
his
hyper
competence
in
the
technical
stuff
and
his
vision
in
initiating
this
discussion.
C
A
Well-
and
I
think
the
way
even
he
thinks
about
approaching
even
the
way
he's
organized
projects
in
fusion
into
development
cycles
and
group
things.
I
just
it
all
seems
to
me
to
line
up
well
with
coordinating
a
whole
bunch
of
different
design
projects
and
organizing
them
and
definitely
seems
to
have
that
mindset.
C
Right
so
so,
my
point
is
that,
rather
than
that,
there
is
an
additional
possible
role
for
a
device
specialist,
but
right
now
we
have
bob
and
we
don't
have
someone
stepping
up,
saying
I'm
prepared
to
make
a
commitment
to
organize
this
at
a
higher
level.
C
There
are
all
sorts
of
issues
having
to
do
with
ewc
and
workflow,
but
we
don't
have
someone
who's
in
a
position
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that
the
research
and
development
coordinator
role
is
could
is
ready
to
be
cooked,
ready
to
be
well
defined,
and
then
we
see
if
we
can
take
it
forward.
That
might
well
be
a
role
that
could
then
help
define
and
find
the
right
device
coordinator,
etc.
But
I'm
saying
rather
than
let
this
conversation
diffuse
to
talk
about
all
the
things
that
it's
relevant
to.
C
I
think
we've
got
a
sweet
spot
that
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
alexander,
for
example,
to
try
to
coach
him
in
developing
a
proposal
that
people
would
get
behind
and
let's
see
if
we
can't
define
that
in
such
a
way
that
it's
a
a
secure
step
forward
from
which
we
can
then
assay.
These
other
possibilities.
A
I
think
that
sounds
like
a
good
approach.
I
would
only
point
out
that
I
think
that
that
still
would
work
well
with
what
we
were
talking
about
before
that.
Even
if,
if
you
go
through
that
you
coach
alexander,
you
write
up
a
proposal
in
lumio
it
gets
approved,
which
I'm
sure
it
will
still
consider
using
what
ben-
and
I
were
talking
about
as
a
part
of
the
approach
set
up
a
space
in
the
hub,
coordinate.
F
C
A
A
Zoom
is
nice
because
it's
allowing
us
to
do
our
the
live
streaming
that
we're
doing
now
and
making
everything
really
easy,
but
we're
using
the
professional
we're
using
paid
licenses
right
now.
I
have
three
licenses
one
for
me,
one
for
john
one
for
ben,
which
I'm
paying
for,
but
if
we
want
other
people
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
start
coordinating
these
meetings
for
these
other
working
groups,
we
got
to
get
more
zoom
licenses
and,
at
some
point
we're
gonna
have
to
talk
about
covering
that
cost.
So.
C
D
D
A
A
You
can
click
the
camera
to
go
into
a
video
thing,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
might
be
part
of
this.
I
mean
I'm
still
figuring
out
what
that
is,
but
yeah
there's
there's
some
interesting
options.
I
don't
know
about
the
whole
live
streaming
thing.
We'd
have
to
sort
all
that
out,
but
it
is
google
and
they
own
youtube.
So
chances
are
good.
There's
a
way
right.
D
D
Yeah
and
just
to
sort
of
circle
back
around
to
this
idea
of
not
just
the
r
d
side
of
it,
but
the
sort
of
case
facilitation,
I
think
in
terms
of
design
work,
you
know,
herding
cats
is
is
one
thing
I
I'll
tell
you
alexander,
that
it's
it's
less
interesting
and
more
just
posting
reminders
than
than
you
might
expect,
but
the
case
facilitation,
and
that
would
maybe
be
hinging
on
a
collaboration
with
bob,
could
be
really
interesting
and
that
also
could
align
with
some
of
these
projects,
where
we're
learning
from
teams
like
enable
france
and
enable
turkey
and
and
sort
of
this
case,
facilitation
and
role.
D
A
Know
that's
an
interesting
there's,
an
interesting
idea
there
of
of
bob
being
the
case
facilitator
from
the
point
of
view
of
coordinating
the
case
and
getting
all
the
right
parties
in
the
right
positions
and
working
together.
Somebody
like
alexander
could
be
the
one,
that's
kind
of
coordinating
the
custom
design
elements
of
those
challenging
cases
working
with
the
cad
designers
to
make
sure
they're
getting
what
they
need
for
each
case.
That
kind
of
thing
that's
an
interesting
thing
to
think
about.
D
Yeah
and
I
do
wonder
if
we
could,
if
you
wanted
to
share
your
screen
jeremy,
we
can
take
a
quick
look
at
the
case
of
the
week
and
see
how
that
was
shared
and.
D
I'll
just
share
the
link
with
you
in
the
chat
to
make
it
easy,
but
that
gives
you
a
sense.
I
I
feel
like.
D
I
took
the
liberty
of
almost
inventing
some
roles
that
I
probably
would
be
useful
to
get
another
set
of
eyes
on,
but
this
is
how
I
did
this
case
of
the
week
concept
and
at
the
bottom
you'll
see
that
there's
sort
of
a
list
of
potential
roles,
including
the
current
team,
that
we
have
on
it
so
just
to
give
alexander
some
ideas
of
this
is
a
challenging
case.
This
would
be
something
that
you
know
he
could
potentially
be.
D
I
don't
know
getting
a
team
together
for
and-
and
I
put
this
if
you
look
at
the
roles-
and
it
did
work
john
said
hey.
This
reminds
me
of
one
of
the
folks
that
are
local
to
where
this
was
this
case
was
made
and
he
responded
right
away
and
said:
I'd
love
to
be
involved.
So
clearly
this
kind
of
coordination
works,
but
we'll
have
to
look
at
the
recipe
that
I
sort
of
framed
out
and
see.
You
know
how
that
would
work
and
what
would
be
involved
with
that.
A
And
I
think
that
if
you
do
these
regularly,
like
I
said
I
like
the
case
of
the
weak
idea,
because
I
think
just
psychologically,
when
people
get
used
to
seeing
something
periodically
they're
going
to
be
paying
more
attention
to
it.
Oh
hey
it's
the
case
of
the
week.
Let's
look
at
this
one.
I
just,
I
think,
that's
a
good
approach.
D
So
this
could
be
something
maybe
that
this
new
role
that
we're
talking
about
would
be
something
that
would
be
managed
by.
C
You
know
I
have
one
more
note
on
this,
which
is
you
know
we're
talking
about
enthusiastically
talking
about
creating
a
new.
What
I
assume
would
be
part-time
paid
position,
we're
talking
about
spending
more
money
on
zoom,
we're
talking
about
a
number
of
things
which
are
which
are
in
fact
expansions
of
what
we
do.
C
But
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
enthusiastic
about
this
is
that
these
new
practices
that
we
put
in
place
are
actually
very
good
at
distributing
actual
control
back
out
to
the
relevant
groups,
we
convened
a
meeting
of
international
chapter
leaders
to
see
what
kinds
of
needs
they
might
have.
That
convening
was
very
useful,
but
the
result
is
that
turkey
and
france
are
now
working
together
on
something
that
may
eventually
swing
back
to
the
community,
but
that
is
not
being
controlled
by
us.
C
Similarly,
we've
had
chapter
leader
meetings,
which
are
very
useful,
but
the
main
function
of
these
meetings
is
to
help
chapter
leaders
learn
from
each
other
about
what
they're
doing
and
help
us
learn
about
what
we're
doing
and
we're
not
doing
much
directing
so
we've
been
involved
in
what
have
been,
I
think,
misinterpreted
as
power
grabs
in
the
past.
I
think
we
have
a
practice
here
where
we
can
keep
developing
our
facilitating
tools
and
increasing
the
power
of
individual
designers
and
individual
chapters,
not
subsuming
it
under
some
central
control.
C
D
Right
so
it
sounds
like
recognizing
localized
leadership
is,
is
a
big
part
of.
C
A
And
on
that
note,
maybe
just
to
wrap
things
up
here,
because
we
are
coming
up
on
the
end
of
our
time.
I
just
want
to
remind
people,
as
we
mentioned,
as
bob
was
pointing
out
earlier,
that
we
do
have
funding
available.
We
have
more
coming
in.
We
need
to
use
it
folks.
We
need
to
show
people
the
great
stuff
we're
doing
with
this
funding.
So
putting
a
proposal
we've
got
lumio
funding.
Is
there
waiting
to
be
used
for
the
right
projects?
So
put
your
proposals
forth
meetings.
C
So
hollywood
you
joined
lumio
today.
A
B
A
Is
there
just
go
to
what
do
we
have
it
john?
Is
it
lumio.enable.org
I'll,
add
the
link?
It
is
lumio.enable.org
if
you
could
put
that
in
there
yeah.
C
And
jeremy
left
out
his
staff,
but
there's
a
step
that
we've
already
begun,
which
is
when
a
proposal
is
put
forward
early
in
the
process.
There
should
be
a
presentation:
it's
recommended
there'd,
be
a
presentation
to
spc
just
to
provide
a
forum
for
a
public
hearing,
and
then
it
all
goes
forward.
There's
actually
a
flow
chart
that
also
identifies
other
possible
funding
channels.
C
It's
all
like
everything
else,
it's
all
there,
but
when
we
get
a
good
librarian
as
our
next
staff
person
or
something
we'll
be
even
better
at
making
it
clear
but
check
it
out,
alexander
and
then,
of
course,
if
there's
any
questions
or
confusions,
our
main
function
is
just
help.
You
navigate
it
or
change
the
the
maze
as
needed
to
help
people
like
you
do
good
stuff.
D
The
fundraising
map
that
john
made-
I
do
want
to
also
mention
really
quick,
that
there
is
the
wishbone
project.
There
was
a
3d
printer
that
jeremy
had
listed
that
did
get
picked
up
and
there's
still
another
one.
So
if
anybody's
watching
this
and
involved
with
a
chapter,
we
we.
B
D
It's
we
got
the
new
member
meetup,
so
that's
every
third
friday,
every
month,
excellent.
D
A
Okay
and
and.