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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - July 9, 2021
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This is the weekly e-NABLE Town Hall meeting for Friday, July 9, 2021.
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A
B
Yes,
that's
much
better
alexander
and
we
are
now
live.
That's
okay
and
we're
now
live
streaming.
So,
let's
see
only
one
person
watching
right
now,
but
as
people
join
in
use
the
comments
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
that
as
we
go
the
best
we
can.
Let
me
get
back
to
my
notes
here
for
us.
B
Okay,
so
hopefully
you
guys
are
seeing
my
screen.
We
got
the
the
youtube
chat
down
here
in
the
lower
right,
so
we
can
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
that
and
address
things
as
best
we
can
do.
We
have
a
notetaker
today.
B
Okay,
fair
enough,
if
you're
internet
spotty,
you
might
want
to
turn
off
one
of
your
video
instances,
we
don't
need
to
see
you
twice.
A
B
Didn't
no,
let's
be
nice,
okay,
so
introductions,
I
I
don't
know
if
we
had
a
chance
to
formally
introduce
ward
in
the
past.
I
know
he's
been
with
us
before,
but
ward
have
you
had
no
chance
to
introduce
yourself
in
one
of
these.
D
I
don't
think
so
I
don't
remember
so.
Maybe.
B
We
could
just
just
in
case
we
haven't
sort
of
introduced
you
to
this,
this
kind
of
crowd
here,
maybe
you
could
just
take
a
moment
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
what
you've
done
with
enable
and
and
your
background
outside
of
enable
for
that
matter.
D
Oh
all
right
yeah,
so
I
I
kind
of
jumped
in
I
was
looking
for
some
cad
projects
to
do
so.
I
and
I
was
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
and
I
came
across
your
website,
so
I
decided
to
join
in
as
far
as
my
background
before
enable
I
I've
been
a
mechanical
engineer
for
about.
D
I
think
it's
over
20
years
now,
since
the
mid-90s,
yeah
25
years,
I'm
a
licensed
professional
engineer,
mostly
mostly
in
machine
design,
automation,
robotics,
that
sort
of
thing
heavy
machinery
and
I've
been
working
in
the
steel
industry,
the
paper
industry
and
now
I'm
in
defense.
D
C
D
Oh
yeah,
yes,
I'm
putting
the.
What
is
the
phoenix
version
three
onto
the
on
shape.
Onshape
is
a
on
shape.
Is
a
cad
3d
cad
package
fully
operational
free
of
use?
It's
a
through
the
web
browser.
D
You
don't
need
to
install
any
software
download
anything
you
just
log
on
to
the
website
and
start
using
it
as
far
as
as
far
as
I
can
tell
it's
a
really
good
system.
I
like
it
so
far.
I
am
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
with
some
of
these
surfaces.
I
am
you
know
most
of
my
my
past
25
years
experience
has
been
in
you
know:
machinery
machinery
has
all
like
nice,
sharp
angles
and
corners
and
there's
no
smooth
surfaces
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
am.
D
I
am
struggling
on
that
end
a
little
bit,
but
the
guy
I'm
working
with
andrew
kaiser
is
that
his
name.
D
Andrew
caser
yeah
one
of
the
guys
that's
helping
me
out
with
it
he's
really
taking
off
with
it
excellent.
D
D
E
D
B
You
yeah,
just
maybe
you
could
connect
him
with
ben
and
ben's
the
one
coordinating
those
those
sessions
he
could
set
something
up
all
right,
we'll
do
and
good
morning
safe
glad.
You
could
join
us
so
moving
along
we've
got
the
usual
metrics
in
here,
which
I
won't
spend
any
time
on,
but
you
guys
can
there's
a
link
to
the
notes
in
the
the
post
in
the
hub.
B
If
you
got
gotta
want
to
browse
through
this,
you
can
click
on
the
image
and
check
out
the
stats
for
yourself,
but
for
now
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
discussion
topics
of
the
day.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
standing
topic.
Ben
was
looking
into
some
alternate
means
of
taking
notes
with
live,
captioning
and
stuff,
like
that,
any
updates
this
week,
ben.
B
No
worries
we
kind
of
already
covered
the
cad
tools
here,
so
I'm
gonna
skip
that
we've.
I
just
left
it
on
the
list
here
so
as
a
reminder
to
try
to
follow
up
on
a
tutorial
from
shape,
so
we'll
pursue
that,
and
so
now
bob
was
just
telling
us
about
a
project
he's
been
working
on,
so
bob
you
want
to
tell
us
more
about.
Excuse
me.
Excuse
me.
B
Well,
I
skipped
all
the
action
items
exactly.
Thank
you,
john.
No,
I
skipped
all
the
x
times
and
you're.
That's
right,
so
maybe
the
reason
I
did
that
is
because
I
haven't
done
mine.
There
is
subconscious
anyway
yeah
I
so
back
to
the
action
items.
I
was
supposed
to
coordinate
a
meeting
which
I
started
to
do,
but
then
I
got
too
busy
to
actually
set
up
the
meeting
this
week.
So
now,
I'm
looking
at
next
week
to
meet
with
bob
and
eric
and
just
need
to
find
some
availability.
B
So
I
will
still
try
to
get
this
badge
for
the
sizing
process
done.
I've
been
holding
it
up
because
of
my
my
schedule.
So
john,
was
this
the
one
you
had
an
update
on
the
lumio
summary.
C
That's
right,
so
I
did
it.
The
illumio
conversations
are
now
embedded
in
a
page
on
the
hub.
You
can
get
there
by
looking
at
the
spc
cccc
meeting
area.
But
the
point
is
it's
directly:
it's
it's
a
live
link
so
that
when
there's
a
new
initiative
on
lumio,
it
will
also
be
visible
in
the
hub.
B
B
Okay,
bob
was
gonna,
send
a
challenging
case
from
ewc
to
ben
to
see
if
we
could
get
somebody
from
the
hub
to
help
with
that.
Has
that
been
you're,
muted
bob.
F
Great,
what
information
do
we
want
to
include
in
the
post,
so
bob
sent
me
a
case
that
he
thought
would
be
a
great
example
for
this
challenging
case
weekly
series.
B
Most
of
them,
I
don't
know
what
the
exact
percentage
is,
but
I
mean
we've
got
5
000
members
in
ewc,
so
I
would
assume
most
of
the
people
in
the
hub
are
are
part
of
that,
but
regardless
I
think
the
issue
is
privacy,
just
because
there
are.
B
You
know,
first
of
all,
when
you
post
something
on
the
hub,
you
do
have
the
option
to
control
the
privacy
of
that
specific
post,
so
anything
that
we
post
about
cases,
I
would
say,
don't
make
it
public
make
it
visible
to
members
only
so
you
have
to
be
a
member
of
the
hub
to
see
it.
That's
one
way
of
limiting
privacy
number
two,
just
don't
post
anything,
that's
personally
identifiable,
which
means
first
names,
only
make
sure
photos
don't
have
faces,
and
that's
it.
B
A
My
my
reason
for
asking
about
ewc
is:
you
could
just
direct
people
to
case
numbers
such
and
such
on
ewc.
B
Well,
you
certainly
can,
I
think,
part
of
the
reason
we
were
trying
to
do
it.
This
way
is
just
because
we're
not
getting
enough
people
in,
I
think,
there's
not
enough.
People
using
ewc
and
people
might
not
bother
to
go
over
there
and
look
at
that
case.
So
if
you,
if
you
put
the
details
right
there
in
the
hub
and
maybe
even
a
photo
or
two
people,
can
see
it
at
a
glance
and
say
I
can
help
with
that.
You
know
where,
otherwise,
they
might
not
even
bother
going
to
ewc
to
look.
F
A
B
And
you
might
want
to
remind
people,
because
I
suspect
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
aren't
aware
of
this,
because
I
haven't
done
a
good
job
of
communicating
it.
You
might
want
to
mention
in
that
post
that
you
do
not
have
to
take
on
this
case
alone.
We
can
build
custom
teams
in
the
enable
web
central,
so
we
could
have
whatever
people
in
this
case
that
we
want.
We
could
make
up
a
team
of
people
with
different
handling
different
roles.
F
Right
and
I
guess
the
it's
a
reminder
to
our
conversation
before
figuring
out
what
those
roles
are,
what
is
sort
of
an
ideal
team
for
this
case
is
sort
of
the
the
subtext
purpose
of
of
this
whole
project.
So
maybe
before
I
make
the
post,
I
mean
if
we
want
to
take
two
minutes
now,
maybe
we
can
all
take
a
quick
look.
I
can
share
my
screen
and
show
the
case
and
we
can
think
about
what
kind
of
a
team
would
we
want
for
this.
F
Yeah,
it
would
just
be
the
the
maybe
the
images
of
the
hand,
there's
no
identifying
features
there.
B
With
me,
let
me
turn
off
the
sharing.
On
my
end,.
F
I
can
go
through
the
sizing,
photos
and
it'd
be
interesting
for
us
to
try
to
think
about
what
would
the
recipe
be,
and
then
we
can
sort
of
mention
that
we
are
looking
for
a
b
and
a
c
who
might
be
interested
in
joining
this
team.
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
F
B
You
know
it's
always
tricky
with
these.
Is
I
look
at
a
anatomy
like
this
between
his
his
his
or
her
thumb
and
the
residual
index
finger
the
partial
index
finger.
That's
there.
I
suspect
that
this
person
would
have
better
functionality
without
a
device
than
they
would
you
know
with
a
device.
That
would
be
my
concern
because
I
suspect
this
person
can
do
quite
a
lot
using
the
the
partial
index
finger
and
the
thumb
there.
B
F
You
know
the
connecticut,
I
know
is
something
that
judy's
been
working
on.
She
she
shared
a
she's,
had
some
really
good
experiences
with
this
kind
of
clay
that
you
can
use
to
sort
of
fill
the
space,
but
I
wonder
if
just
gotta
be
careful
with
the
weight
on
that
right.
So
what
kind
of
a
team
would
want
to
work
on
this?
You?
You
definitely
need
somebody
to
do
customization.
F
F
B
E
B
A
B
That's
something
else
we
should
think
about
it's
a
it's
a
separate
topic,
but
since
you
brought
up
3d
scanning,
I
think
most
people
don't
have
3d
scanners
themselves,
but
there
are
pretty
decent
3d
scanners.
That,
like
you
know,
are
very
portable,
like
the
one
I
use
that
attaches
to
an
ipad
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
wonder
if
we
should
think
about
having
like
one
of
those
scanners
that
could
be
like
sent
around
as
needed.
B
E
As
long
as
you
have
one
of
the
newer
rtx
cards,
you
can
use
the
neural
networks
to
process
a
couple
hundred
of
pictures
that
you
can
take
with
your
phone.
B
That's
true,
too
yeah
they
and
they're
starting
to
do
that
more
in
the
cloud
too.
Now
so
that'll
become
more
and
more
an
option
so.
E
B
That's
a
good
idea:
let's,
let's
explore
that
separately
alexander,
maybe
we
could
do
some
testing
on
that
and
and
see
what
it
would
take
to
get
that
set
up.
I
mean
maybe
several
of
us
that
have
a
powerful
enough
machine
could
set
up
for
that
and
then
we
could
have
a
couple
of
people
that
could
do
that
and
then,
like
you
said
it
would
just
be
a
matter
of
telling
people
to
get
a
whole
bunch
of
photos
from
every
possible
angle.
B
A
F
A
F
That's
right-
and
it
seems
like
that's
sort
of
the
case-
and
you
know
some
of
these
other
regional
networks
too-
that
the
the
people
that
are
going
through
the
process
that
require
teams
are
probably
the
people
that
this
kind
of
effort
speaks
to.
So
in
terms
of
the
custom
teams,
I've
got
a
3d
cad
role.
There's
the
3d
scanning
role.
There's
the
occupation.
B
I
I
think
we
could
almost
establish
kind
of
a
standard
recommended
team
for
any
of
these
custom
cases,
because
it's
it's
always
going
to
be
the
people
you
just
listed.
Somebody's
got
to
have
cad
skills,
somebody's
gotta
be
sort
of
a
medical
professional
to
help
with
fitting
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
Somebody's
gonna
have
to
do
the
3d
printing,
an
assembly,
so
I
mean
we
could
almost
kind
of
just
put
together
like
any
kind
of
a
challenging
case.
These
are
the
roles
we
need.
I
don't
think
it's
specific.
D
Be
nice
if
they
had
a
cat
operator
on
each
local
chapter
too
yeah,
and
then
we
could
just.
We
could
just
guide
them
as
to
what
they
need
to
do
and
how
to.
A
F
I
do
and
I
think
this
as
sort
of
a
process
I
think
it'll
be
faster
in
the
future,
but
if
we
do
these
difficult
cases,
maybe
we
take
a
minute
during
our
ccc
meetings
and
I'll
sort
of
show
the
pictures,
and
we
can
talk
about
in
the
future.
I
think
you're
right
that
most
of
the
stuff
is
going
to
be
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
formula,
but
I
think
we
can
figure
it
out
in
these
meetings.
If
that's
okay,
to
take
a
couple
minutes.
B
A
It
does
relate
to
our
our
previous
discussion
this
week.
Actually,
two
weeks
ago,
I
received,
in
my
volunteer
work
on
the
help
desk
a
request
from
or
an
outreach
from,
an
occupational
therapist
in
northern
chicago,
a
woman.
So
it's
not
the
one
that
you
have
worked
with
jeremy,
so
right
away.
I
think
one
notable
feature
of
this
is
that
an
occupational
therapist
is
recognizing
the
potential
being
able.
So
that's
what.
B
B
A
B
Glenview,
as
I
talent
out
by
the
lake
that
I
know
and
yeah.
F
D
B
A
Associated
with
an
individual
occupational
therapist
her
own
practice,
she
has
two
assistants
that
I
met
on
facetime
that
that
reached
out
did
research
on
it
and
she
said
I've
got
this
difficult
situation
as
patient.
Can
you
help
so
I
said
well,
why
don't
you
send
me
some
photos?
A
Just
from
the
help
desk,
I
didn't
say,
go
to
throw
up
a
case
on
ewc
and
then
she
said
it
was
difficult.
I
didn't
want
to
just
hand
her
off
to
ewc,
so
she
sent
me
photos
and
indeed
from
the
photos
it
makes
the
case.
We
just
saw
look
easy
very
profound,
so
I
explained
a
few
things
about
what
I
thought
we
could
and
couldn't
do
you
know
it's
going
to
be
difficult
and
she
said
well,
could
you
meet
my
patient?
A
She
wasn't
sure
how
much
functionality
was
in
the
wrist,
so
went
ahead
and
did
a
facetime
with
her
two
days
ago
and
fortunately
the
the
man
has:
it's
a
man.
It's
a
40-ish
year
old
man,
a
partial
anatomy,
just
like
we
saw
but
even
more
difficult
and
cannot
go
like
that,
cannot
go
above
horizontal
but
has
full
function
downward.
So
that's
good
to
activate,
but
you
can't
go
like
that.
A
So
I
explained
that
you
know
I
explained
what
we
did
and
everything
else
and,
and
my
assessment
is
that
nobody
is
going
to
remotely
fit
this
thing
and
make
it
work.
A
So
I
said
to
her:
let
me
see
if
I
can
reach
out
to
our
chapters
in
in
the
chicagoland
area
and
see
if
one
of
them
can
help.
In
the
meantime,
she
sent
me
a
lot
of
photos
of
video
and
they
did
a
3d
scan
with
one
of
the
iphones.
I
guess
the
newer
iphones
and
whatever
software
they.
So
I
didn't
even
look
at
it,
but
they
have
a.
She
has
a
rudimentary
3d
scan.
A
Okay,
so
I
reached
out
to
we
have
three
chapters
in
chicagoland
and
one
of
them
is
a
middle
school,
and
I
I
thought,
maybe
that's
a
little
young
for
this
right
now.
I
just
felt
the
other
was
rush
university
and
unfortunately,
the
chapter
leader
has
graduated
and
I'm
in
the
process
ben
of
trying
to
get
a
new
contact,
but
nothing
yet
so
I
reached
out
to
a
high
school
club,
new
trier,
high
school.
A
To
school,
okay,
well,
the
chapter
leader
of
new
trier
responded
to
me
right
away
and
said:
hey
we'd
be
happy
to
the
problem.
Is
they
they're
out
of
school
until
the
end
of
august.
B
A
Which,
I
think
is
something
I
learned
now
for
most
of
our
school
chapters,
we're
going
to
be
facing
right
yeah,
so
I've
been
going
back
and
forth
between
the
occupational
therapist
and
this
young
man
from
new
trier
trying
to
match
make
and
the
bottom
line
is
yes,
they'd
like
to
work
with
each
other
they're
a
half
an
hour
apart
driving
and
my
my
latest
email
to
the
young
man
at
new
trier
is
hey.
A
A
B
B
Having
I
mean
what
you're
doing
bob
is
essentially
I
mean
we've
talked
about
the
idea
of
almost
like
a
concierge
in
the
context
of
onboarding,
but
the
same
really
applies
here.
I
mean
I
think,
with
these
really
challenging
cases,
you
are
acting
as
let's
call
it
a
case
facilitator,
but
I
think
somebody
kind
of
manually
getting
involved
and
making
these
connections
is
probably
an
important
part.
When
it
comes
to
these
challenging
cases,
I
think
there's
just
a
natural
hesitance.
I
think
people
are
hesitant
to
just
jump
in
and
say
yeah
I'll.
A
Well,
I
was
thinking
further
about
it.
What
my
role
could
be
here
I
mean
clearly.
This
is
something
that
I
think
if
the
case
is
going
to
get
moved
this
type
of
difficult
case,
it's
going
to
require
intervention.
So,
yes
right
and
it's
going
to
require,
I
think,
a
local
chapter.
A
A
B
B
A
You
could
post
it
on
the
hub,
like
we
were
yeah,
of
course
yeah.
So
you
know
I'll
bet
on
ewc
right
now.
There's
10
cases
swag
that
number
ten
cases
that
could
benefit
from
an
intervention,
and
this
one
was
one
that
happened
to
come
in
through
the
help
desk
and
the
nice
thing
is,
it
was
an
occupational
therapist
which
we
said,
you
really
kind
of
need
absolutely
sounds.
B
A
C
No
occupational
therapists
are
the
true
problem.
Solvers
in
this
industry,
prosthesis
have
got
a
particular
process
that
they're
trained
to
do,
but
ots
are
are
basically
the
makers
and
the
tinkerers,
and
they
are
patient,
oriented,
not
patient
and
task
oriented
rather
than
anatomy
and
function
oriented,
and
so
they
are,
I
think,
our
best
natural
allies.
A
F
C
Well,
we
have
had
we've
had
a
few
knock
about
and
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
systematic
outreach
to
occupational
therapies
might
generate
a
few
more.
B
C
So
I'll
remind
you
that
I
had,
I
created
a
quite
substantial
collection
of
photos
that
we
got
from
india
of
ot
practices
of
relevant
to
prosthetics.
I
can
tell
that
jeremy
has
no
recollection
of
this,
but
I
will.
C
A
A
B
Certainly
do
that
I
will
say
in
my
experience
I
have
you
know
for
my
business.
I've
bought
a
list.
I
did
it
once
bought
a
list
very
targeted
of
this.
You
know
types
of
people
I
was
going
after.
We
sent
a
big
email,
very,
very
poor
response
rate.
Now,
maybe
it
would
be
different
just
because
of
the
nature
of
what
we're
talking
about
here,
and
maybe
it
would
be
more
of
interest.
I
just
haven't,
had
good
luck
with
kind
of
blind
emails
to
purchase
lists.
A
B
Yeah
but
it's
it's
a
possibility
for
sure.
So,
but
let's,
let's
see
what
the
possibilities
are,
let's
see
what
there's
got
to
be
some
kind
of
a
conference
or
something
that's
popular
with
ots,
and
maybe
we
could
sponsor
or
give
a
talk
or
something
and
maybe.
D
B
C
I
have
a
number
of
ots
in
my
linkedin
collection
bob.
Are
you
so
bob?
This
was
a
really
good
demonstration
that
concierge
style,
intervention
and
matchmaking
is
a
really
important
function
and
focusing
it
on
the
the
recalcitrant
traces,
the
difficult
but
possible
ones
that
are
stuck
in
ewc.
C
A
I
I
yes
I'll
take
it
on,
because
I
see
it
as
sort
of
a
natural
extension
of
case
facilitation.
B
B
You
know
what
is
that
messaging?
How
do
we
convey?
Who
and
what
we
are
and
what
we
can
do
to
these
ots?
We
could
kind
of
start
to
put
that
together
in
the
background,
so
that
whatever
it
is
that
we
end
up
doing
whether
it's
a
blog
post
or
a
talk
or
whatever
you
know,
we
got
to
kind
of
start
thinking
about
that
messaging.
A
B
Good
stuff,
thanks
bob
okay,
so
then
moving
on,
we
already
covered
the
the
sort
of
the
documentation
thing.
Ben's
gonna
get
back
to
us
on
that
and
the
cad
tools
we
kind
of
talked
about
before
so
then
we
can
kind
of
come
back
to
this
discussion.
We
were
having
last
time
about
onboarding
and
the
hub.
If
you
guys
want
this,
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion
about
just
how
do
we
make
it
easier
for
people
to
get
started?
How
do
we
make
it
easier
to
find
their
way?
How
do
we
make
it?
B
You
know
easier
to
find
the
resources
they
need
to
get
plugged
in
and
get
meaningfully
involved.
So
we've
talked
about
maybe
concierge
type
services
very
much
like
what
we
were
just
talking
about
for
that
case.
Basically,
just
hand-holding
and
helping
people
along
we've
talked
about
tying
badges
into
that
process.
B
We've
talked
about
sort
of
leveraging
that
draft
space
that
isabella
built
with
some.
You
know
here's
some
of
the
key
getting
started
resources
you
need
based
on
what
you're
looking
to
do
so,
just
kind
of
opening
this
up
for
discussion.
What
what
are
you
guys,
thoughts
on
how
we
can
move
this
forward?
It
is
you
know,
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done.
You
know
a
long-term
big
picture,
but
kind
of
short-term
focus.
Are
there
small
things
that
we
can
do
to
make
incremental
improvements
here
to
make
to
to
kind
of
help?
B
With
this
john
you're,
muted,
john
you're,
muted,.
C
Yes,
so
I
did
want
to
say
that,
with
regard
to
the
materials
isabella
brought
together
and
the
tools
I've
been
developing
for
using
those
materials,
we
are
also
likely
to
have
because
isabella
and
I
have
followed
through
two
interns
from
brandeis
in
the
fall
from
the
same
program
that
isabella
was
involved
in
and
the
the
description
for
them
was
to
take
isabella's
work
forward
and
so
on.
C
So
I've
been
sort
of
thinking
that
that
may
be
when
we
really
follow
through
on
implementing
and
then
developing
a
process
for
maintaining
this
material
that
isabella
had
put
together.
I
should
also
say
that
those
interns
are
paid
a
thousand
dollars
a
term.
D
C
They
would
pick
it
up
as
I
think
they
did
with
isabella,
but
they
asked
whether
this
time
around
enable
could
pick
up
the
tab
on
one
of
the
two-
and
I
said
yes
and
it's
necessary
rochester
and
able
to
do
it
unilaterally,
but
it
seemed
to
me
we
had
such
a
good
experience
with
isabella
that
we
could
do
this.
A
B
I
don't
disagree
at
all
and
I
I
hope
I'm
not
out
of
line
for
saying
this,
but
I
just
want
to
kind
of
for
say
this.
You
know
maybe
for
a
future
that
I
think
is
best
practice.
Although
none
of
us
are
going
to
disagree,
I
don't
think
any
of
us
should
be
saying
yes
to
anything
about
funding
unless
there's
been
some
kind
of
discussion
and
a
vote
so.
C
Well
that
that's
right,
but
I
did
so
I
did
not
answer
yes
on
behalf
of
spc,
I
answered
yes
as
a
prediction
that
I
or
roger
3
naval
or
the
svc
discretionary
fund
could
pick
it
up.
B
Right
and
that,
so
that's
that's
what
I
would
suggest.
I
think
this
is
a
good
fit
for
the
spc
discretionary
funding
approval.
It's
it's
under
our
limit.
It
we've
already
seen
you
know
the
benefits
that
come
through
these
kind
of
internships.
So
it
makes
sense
for
me
that
we
would
take
a
quick
vote
here
and
approve
it,
so
we
don't
have
to
go
through
a
whole
illumio.
You
know
proposal
thing,
but
if
anyone
disagrees
speak
now,.
A
B
So
yeah
I
mean
I
I'm
in
favor
bob's
already
said
he's
in
favor
john's
in
favor
ben.
What's
what's
your
position
he's
up?
Okay,
syedford.
Do
you
guys
want
to
chime
in
on
this.
G
Hi
yeah,
for
me,
that
also
sounds
great
I'll,
also
aim.
I
have
been
starting
to
apply
now
to
different
grants.
I
think
that
it
can
be
a
nice
idea
to
have
funding,
for
instance,
for
those
interns
etc
and
that
that
way
start
to
grow
our
force,
but
it
will
take
time
as
well
like
to
do
some
grant.
G
Writing,
but
I'll
share
I'll
share
some
initiatives
that
I
found
there
was
another
one
from
google
which
I
think
you
guys
had
done
in
the
past,
but
maybe
we
could
apply
again
to
see
if
we
could
get
more
funding
that
that
might
be
nice
just
to
have
constant
interns.
But
it
sounds
fantastic
for
me
and
thank
you,
john
for
pushing
that.
B
B
D
B
Yeah,
we
always
you
know,
interns
are
wonderful.
You
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
payment
involved
here,
but
not
much.
We
always
try
to
be
careful
to
avoid
sort
of
paid
positions
unless
we
can't
find
a
volunteer
to
do
it.
So
this
you
know
for
an
engineer
if
it's
an
intern,
that
would
be
great
if
we're
talking,
like
you,
know
more
of
a
paid
role.
That
would
be
something
we'd
try
to
find
volunteers
to
handle.
First.
A
I
have
a
comment
about
the
overall
subject
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
pushback
to
john
in
terms
of
timing.
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
going
to
have
two
interns
in
the
fall,
but
we
we
discussed
this
subject
a
lot
and
I
think,
with
a
bias
towards
action,
we
ought
to
do
at
least
something.
A
B
But
unfortunately,
that's
going
to
bring
us
back
to
a
discussion
about.
Do
we
have
access
currently
to
somebody
that
can
do
the
custom
development
we
need
in
the
hub?
I
don't
want
to
put
anybody
on
the
spot
here
on
air
who's.
You
know
who
will
not
be
named,
but
we
don't
have
somebody
right
now
who's
able
to
do
the
things
we
need.
B
So
we
talked
about,
for
example,
all
those
notifications
for
welcoming
new
members
and
things
like
that,
moving
those
into
the
new
member
space
to
get
them
out
of
the
main
forum
to
clean
up
some
of
that
clutter
little
things
like
that.
We
could
do
very
easily,
but
only
if
we
have
somebody
that
can
get
into
that
back
end
coding.
A
B
That's
what
I'm
thinking
so,
I
think
the
easiest
low-hanging
fruit
are
getting
those
notifications
out
of
the
main
form
and
into
the
the
new
members
space,
and
then
we
also
talked
about
on
the
in
when
you
log
in
and
you're
in
the
forum,
and
you
have
that
the
sidebar
on
the
right.
You
have
to
scroll
way
down
to
the
bottom
to
see
upcoming
events.
I
want
to
see
that
right
up
at
the
top.
You
know,
I
think
that
would
make
it
a
lot
more
useful.
B
C
Bit
of
a
binder,
but
you
know
the
person
who
does
it
could
could
knock
at
least
so
ben
can
do
the
event
change
today.
He
says
that's
great
and
for
the
notifications
masby
might
be
able
to
just
to
do
that
if
he,
if
he
agrees,
it's
a
no-brainer
to
do,
and
that
is
something
relatively
easy
to
do.
C
B
B
B
At
this
point
right,
that's
that's
kind
of
a
single
point
of
failure
for
us
that
we
need
to
work
on,
so
I
do
think
we
should
think
in
terms
of
small
steps.
I
think
there
are
little
things
that
we
can
do.
Even
if
the
big
project
of
you
know
a
new
dashboard
or
whatever
it
is,
is
going
to
be
off
in
the
fall.
B
B
So
any
other
thoughts
of
little
things.
We
could
do
in
the
short
term
to
address
some
of
these
just
to
encourage
people
to
use
the
hub
more
make
it
easier
to
use
and
more
useful.
F
I
think
the
dashboard
could
be
really
useful
for
us.
B
F
F
C
B
You're
right,
the
dashboard
is
an
important
point,
because
that
dashboard
should
be.
You
know
the
place.
That
kind
of
brings
everything
that
you
care
about
together.
I
just,
I
don't
think
it's
set
up
quite
the
way
we
want.
So
that's
one
thing
we
talked
about
briefly.
I
think
we
need
to
follow
up
with
masby
or
anybody
else
that
could
end
up
helping
us
with
programming
to
see.
To
what
extent
can
we
customize
that
dashboard
and
kind
of
change
what
we
put
there
and
what
shows
up
there,
because
that
could
be.
I.
B
Exactly
and
that's,
I
think,
that's
because
we
don't
have
it
set
up
quite
right,
but
the
point
the
dashboard
should
be
your
go-to.
That
should
be
your
home
page,
because
that
should
be
the
kind
of
the
collective
summary
of
all
the
stuff
you're
following
and
all
the
stuff
you
care
about.
It's
just
not
quite
set
up
the
way.
I
think
we
want
it.
So
that's
a
good
place
to
focus
on
yeah.
F
And
I
think
we
just
don't
fully
understand
how
it
works
too.
I
mean,
I
think,
yeah,
there's
things
that
it
does,
that
we
just
don't
fully
appreciate
that
could
be
really
helpful
for
having
sort
of
the
new
member
process.
You
know
if
they
understand
okay
step,
one
pick
the
spaces
that
you
want
step,
two
check
your
dashboard.
Now
this
is
your
new
home.
Exactly.
F
Right,
I
do
want
to
mention,
though,
as
a
word
of
caution,
that
the
spaces
can
collect
comments
that
collect
dust,
and
I've
noticed
some
comments
made
really
a
long
time
ago
that
I
just
overlooked.
So
there
is,
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
address
that.
F
You
know
I
don't
know
if
masby
has
has
sort
of
a
suggestion,
but
it
would
be
great
if
there
was
sort
of
a
an
easy
way
to
see
if
there
were
posts
that
didn't
have
any
activity
on
a
regular
basis,
because
it
is
embarrassing.
When
I
see
a
comment
that
somebody
makes
that
you
know,
I
don't
get
that.
B
That's
a
really
good
idea,
ben.
You
think
I
think
about
gmail.
You
know
how
they
now
have
that,
where
you
know
your
email,
it'll
automatically
pop
up
saying
sent
five
days
ago.
Do
you
want
to
follow
up,
or
you
know
you
haven't
gotten
a
reply
to
this.
That
kind
of
a
feature
would
be
enormously
useful.
Hey,
there's
a
there's,
a
comment
on
this
post
that
nobody's
responded
to
in
over
five
days
the
nudge.
Exactly
that's
a
great
idea.
We
ought
to
see
if
that's
a
possibility.
That
would
help.
B
No,
I
mean
there
are
the
only
trick.
There
is
there's
a
lot
of
instances
where
a
comment,
you
know
doesn't
need
a
reply,
and
so
I
guess,
as
long
as
we
have
the
ability
to
dismiss
that
nudge,
like
you
can
in
in
gmail,
then
that's
a
good
idea
we're
following
up
on.
If
that's
something
we
can
do
and
would
those
nudges
appear
for
everybody,
or
would
those
nudges
only
appear
for
certain
admins
there's,
there's
things
we
have
to
think
about
there,
but.
F
And
it
could
be
something
related
to
an
account,
so
it
could
be
potentially
a
bot
yeah
that
collects
posts
that
have
been
made
in
all
spaces,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
possible,
but
that
would
be
helpful
if
there
was
a
way
to
sort
of
collect
that
stuff
together
and
then
just
just
like
what
we
do
with
the
activity
every
week.
You
know
here's
the
most
comments,
here's
the
most
likes.
F
C
C
But,
oh
that's
great,
that's
great,
so
ben
you
and
I
I
think
hopefully
are
going
to
be
a
little
less
obsessed
with
making
the
masks
go
out.
You
and
I
could
take
another
look
at
the
hub
and
see
what
things
we
have
the
skill
to
do,
even
as
we
also
see
whether
any
of
them
are
ones
that
can
be
easily
knocked
off
by
mazda,
very
good.
B
Okay,
so
that's
a
topic
we'll
keep
on
here,
because
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
sort
of
make
incremental
progress
on.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
next
time
and
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time
left
here.
I
think
it's
it's
worth
touching
on
this
next
topic,
though
just
the
question
here
is:
how
do
we
get
volunteers,
chapters
and
recipients
more
involved
in
the
governance
process,
for
example,
these
very
meetings
that
we're
having
here
I
think
live
streaming
was
definitely
a
good
step.
B
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
watching
and
joining
in,
but
at
least
they
have
the
ability
to
now
if
they
choose
to
other
ideas
about
how
we
can
get
the
community
more
involved
in
this
discussion
process-
and
I
almost
don't
like
calling
it
governance
but
just
kind
of
the
discussion
of
what
do
we
do
and
how
do
we
do
it?
How
do
we
get
more
people
involved
in
that
any
thoughts.
C
A
B
Okay,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
think,
chapters
are
really
when
I
think
about
that
chapter.
A
chapter
leaders
meeting
that
in
and
of
itself
seems
like
a
really
powerful
vehicle.
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
need
to
bring
them
into
these
meetings.
Maybe
it's
just
a
matter
of
continuing
those
chapter
leader
meetings
as
a
vehicle
of
discussion
themselves.
F
It's
also
a
great
opportunity
to
share
some
of
the
chapter
spotlights
so
I
might
see
if
I
can
reach
out
to
some
of
the
recent
chapter
spotlights
and
have
one
of
the
chapters
sort
of
give
a
show
and
tell
with
this
here's
this
whole
bunch
of
documentation
that
all
the
chapters
can
look
over
before
and
after
I
it's
a
great
idea
that
john
had
about
coming
up
with
some
priorities
and
projects
that
they
can
work
on
together,
things
to
maybe
pass
on
to
other
teams,
but
it
doesn't,
I
mean,
there's
gonna
be
a
recording
of
it,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
something
where
you
know.
F
This
group
now
needs
to
pass
the
discussion
to
this
other
group.
I
mean,
maybe
it's
the
other
way
around.
What
what
do
you
guys
want
that
group
to
know,
and
I
can
share.
B
I
don't
think
it's
so
much
about
what
we
want
them
to
know.
I
think
it's
more
about
wanting
to
know
stuff
from
them.
I
I
I
think
we
want
their
input
on
how
we
deal
with
some
of
these
very
same
challenges.
We've
talked
about
today.
How
can
we
make
the
hub
more
usable
and
encourage
you
to
spend
more
time
in
it?
How
can
we
get?
You
know
more
people
and
you
know
involved
in
the
these
challenging
cases.
I
mean
all
these
kind
of
topics
we've
talked
about
today.
B
I
just
want
to
get
more
people's
input
in
that.
So
it's
not
just
you
know,
half
a
dozen
of
us
sitting
here
talking
about
it.
So
if
you
want
to
maybe
bring
up
some
of
those
topics
with
them
and
just
kind
of
get
input
about
how
they
think
we
should
be
addressing
some
of
these
things
yeah.
That
would
be
very
helpful.
You
know
sure.
A
I
guess
I
have
an
observation
about
chapters
and
I
I
wonder
if
we
need
to
get
a
little
more
information,
but
we
have
196
chapters
all
over
the
world,
so
you
know
the
ones
that
are
international,
of
course,
have
time
zone
issues
potentially,
and
a
lot
of
our
international
chapters
are
more
sovereign
and
just
by
their
nature,
stick
to
themselves.
A
A
lot
of
our
chapters
in
the
u.s
are
school
chapters
and
to
that
extent,
as
we've
seen
with
this
little
episode,
I've
had
recently
they're
gone
for
the
summer,
so
it
tends
to
be
a
seasonal
issue.
Perhaps,
and
also
a
lot
of
these
chapters
are
clubs,
they're
the
stem
club
or
the
or
the
technology
club,
and
they
they're
in
they
meet
infrequently,
and
they
don't
have
a
day-to-day
discussion
ability.
C
So
there
is
a
initiative
underway
to
deal
with
university
chapters.
That's
not
the
same
case,
but
my
point
is
that
there
are
certain
syndromes
or
recurring
patterns.
There
are
university
chapters
who
all
share,
I
think
certain
characteristics
and
certain
challenges.
C
There
are
k-12
and
educational
groups,
there
are
probably
independent
enablers
and
then
there
are
autonomous
chapters,
and
I
suspect
that
the
answer
to
your
question
is
going
to
be.
C
A
C
But
I,
but
I
think
it's
it's
sort
of
a
rough
road
map
of
what
we
have
to
do
and
I
think
the
university
chapter
pattern
is
one
that
we're
trying
to
address
right
now
through
the
meeting
we
had
with
api
the
work
that
were
that
helping
hands
has
done
and
a
meeting
that
ben
is
organizing
to
try
to
follow
up
with
these
various
university-related
chapters.
If
that
pattern
works,
we
can
identify
other
groups,
k-12
being,
I
think,
a
really
significant
one
for
us
to
think
about
american
k-12.
A
F
I
think
one
effort
the
series
of
little
initiatives
that
we've
been
doing.
These
reoccurring
meetings
have
been
really
helpful.
I've
noticed
you
know
the
very
first
chapter
leader
meeting
was
ten
chapters
from
five
countries,
and
everybody
said
this
is
great.
I
wonder
and-
and
I
think
I
mentioned
in
a
previous
email-
about
doing
sort
of
the
educational
group
meetings
again
once
a
month-
something
like
that.
I
think,
having
identifying
some
of
the
common
things.
You
know,
bob's
got
a
great
point,
you
know
summer's
off.
F
Is
it
that's
a
big
feature,
or
you
know
thing
to
to
work
around?
I
think
for
sharing
resources,
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
common.
So
having
those
monthly
meetings,
I
think,
will
be
helped
to
sort
of
figure
out
shared
challenges
and
opportunities
having
a
different
icon
on
the
map
and
being
able
to
filter
that
map
in
different
ways
we've
talked
about
that
before.
F
But
I
think
this
is
that
moment
for
us
to
look
at
having
a
different
identity
for
those
teams,
and
I
think
just
like
what
we're
talking
about
with
case
facilitation-
and
you
know,
bob's,
looking
at
bringing
together
doing
some
matchmaking,
but
also
we're
talking
about
sort
of
a
recipe
of
you
know
who
can
deal
with
these
challenges
challenging
cases.
I
think
the
chapters
themselves
partner
together
in
unique
ways,
and
I
think,
if
we
start
to
delineate
educational
chapters
from
you-
know
some
of
the
maker
spaces
and
some
of
these
other
teams.
B
Agree,
ben
and
I
I
also
agree
that
these
regular
meetings
that
we've
been
having
on
different
topics
are
very
helpful.
I
I
just,
I
think
we
went
through
a
phase
where
you
know
early
on.
We
used
to
do
this
all
the
time
back
when
we
were
in
google
plus,
we
always
used
to
have
these
recurring
hangouts
and
these
online
meetings
and
it
worked
really
well
and
then
it's
like.
B
We
moved
into
this
phase
where
we
kind
of
felt
like
well,
you
know
we'll
just
do
it
all
online
and
let
people
you
know
they'll
collaborate
on
on
the
hub
or
whatever,
and
it
just
doesn't
happen
that
way.
I
think
now
we're
getting
back
to
realizing
that
you
know,
meeting
and
actually
working
together
directly
is
the
way
to
go
right.
Now,
it's
pretty
much
you
and
me
ben
doing
those
in
in
a
certain
way.
That
is
that
we're
coordinating
these
regular
meetings.
B
We
have
somebody,
that's
kind
of
facilitating
and
taking
notes
there
being
live
streams
so
that
we
have
a
recording
on
our
enabled
channel
that
whole
thing.
We
ought
to
think
about
standardizing
that
whole
kind
of
approach
and
then
figuring
out
how
we
can
make
it
so
that
others,
besides
you
and
me-
can
do
it
the
same
way
so
that
we
can
then
get
others
doing
similar
things.
You
know
on
other
topics,
because
you
and
I
can't
do
all
of
it,
but
we
want
to
have
others.
F
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point.
You
know-
and
I
did
men
message-
one
of
the
new
volunteers
nick
hite,
who
works
at
google,
about
looking
into
sort
of
a
platform
that
we
could
use
that
wouldn't
require
a
moderator
sort
of
like
google
plus
was
in
the
past,
it'd
be
wonderful.
If
we
could
set
up
some
spaces
they're
automatically
being
recorded,
we
can
sort
of
have
a
group
of
people
that
could
share
the
responsibility
of
sort
of
leading
it.
F
We
can
keep
track
of
them,
but
we
wouldn't
necessarily
need
to
be
hand-holding
in
the
same
way
that
we
have
to
do
with
zoom.
I
think
that
could
be
really
useful
and
it's
just
basically
a
box
that
somebody
at
google
would
have
to
to
click
to
give
us
access
to
do
that.
But
we
don't
have
that
right.
Currently,.
B
Okay,
well
any
other
thoughts
on
the
either
the
chapter
leader
meetings
or
just
the
general
discussion
of
getting
more
folks
involved.
C
Yes,
I
will
add
that
vivec
has
been
hosting
a
very
good
recurring
meeting
which
he
has
organized.
So
it's
not
just
jeremy
and
ben
this
bionic
group,
it
it's
actually
it's
quite
a
good
group
and
it's
it
is
functioning.
It's
wonderful.
C
C
I
I
have
a
second
point
with
regard
to
these
these
pattern
clusters,
or
you
know
these
groups
of
like-minded
collections
after
safe's
very
stimulating
talk.
Last
week
I
created
some
pattern
diagrams
trying
to
sort
of
characterize
different
chapters,
and
I
promised
safe
like
them,
and
I
promised
to
interrogate
ben
about
several
chapters,
but
I
think
we
may
be
sort
of
creeping
on
a
process
for
trying
to
profile
different
types
of
enable
entities,
and
that
may
help
us
identify
opportunities
so
safe.
It's
a
potential,
research
topic
and
ben.
It's
something.
B
All
right,
folks,
seif
agrees
very
interesting
angle,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
touched
on
this
by
the
way,
because
I
had
to
step
away
at
one
moment,
but
evan
put
a
comment
in
a
while
ago.
Saying
some
sort
of
polling
for
members
and
chapter
leaders
could
be
a
way
to
get
ideas
and
discussion
topics
doesn't
require
too
much
time.
I'd
imagine
to
do,
and
in
fact
we
can
do
that
polling
right
in
the
hub
if
we
want
to
so.
B
If
anybody
wants
to
put
up
some
kind
of
a
poll
to
say
you
know,
hey,
we've
got
these.
You
know
chapter
leader
meetings
or
these
these
weekly
town
hall
meetings
are
there
any
topics
you'd
like
to
have
discussed
or
maybe
give
a
list
of
options,
see
what
people
are
interested
in.
That's
that's
something
to
think
about.
If,
if
that
might
be
a
way
of
gathering
topics
that
people
would
like
to
have
explored.
B
We
have
a
mass
email
list
for
all
the
chapter
leaders.
We
have
an
email
platform
that
lets
us
send
a
mass
email
to
them,
not
necessarily
the
most
effective
mechanism.
As
you
know,
when
we,
even
when
we've
sent
emails
to
that
list,
saying
we
really
need
your
help.
We
need
you
to
do
this.
One
thing
it's
going
to
take
you
two
minutes:
we've
gotten,
maybe
a
five
percent
response
rate,
so
it's
not
necessarily
the
most
effective
way
of
getting
them,
but
we
do
have
a
list
of
emails.