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From YouTube: Ethereum Cat Herders Meeting #40 [2020/08/18]

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Agenda: https://github.com/ethereum-cat-herders/PM/issues/133

A

Welcome everyone. This is ech meeting 40, I am putter, I'm gonna share the link of agenda and.

A

Chat before we dive into the first item, we have mercier from project open, ethereum mercedes. Would you like to go ahead and introduce yourself? I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly.

B

Sure yeah, that's that's perfect, marcel, it's a spanish name, I'm marcel I'm from argentina, but I live in ukraine right now. I started working as a project manager for open ethereum.

B

Two weeks ago I have a background in economic, modeling, financial analysis and project management, and I will try to make my best to to help make ethereum a stronger network.

A

Thank you, miss cello, so from cat hurdles, whatever help we can provide. Please do let us know. I know I have been in touch with you for some of the other information passing about the whatever comments we received from community we'll keep on doing that. But if you feel, if you have anything for us, feel free to, let us know.

B

A

Thank you. Moving on uh the first item on the agenda is uh ech discard channel. I know william. You have requested to move a few items uh earlier so because you have to leave early, so please feel free to talk about her.

C

um I don't have so much to add about the discord. I've just been involved with it and have. I think I still may have some administrative privileges in terms of setting up permissions.

C

I do see that a lot of the conversations are still happening on gitter, so I guess this would just sort of be my friendly nudge, maybe to remind people and get her that, like the conversations are supposed to be porting over to uh to discord, we might want to contemplate actually even setting in a deadline for migration like at which point we'll terminate the getter, or something like that.

C

I learned that I really don't have so much to say about it.

D

I can't really fully migrate to the discord for the internal chat. um I can't really see any messages in there, so I can type in there, but I can't see anything I think part of it's because of my role. For some reason, I'm only contributor, not a member all.

C

Right: okay, that that's interesting to hear. I had a little bit of a conversation with puja a bit earlier about how how we're going to manage permissions um it could be even maybe we should have a larger conversation about that now about like how we're looking at splitting permissions up but um yeah, do you want to add anything to that.

A

Yeah actually, uh uh based on our conversation earlier conversation, uh I'm still on to, uh like you know, providing roles for members like who have been contributed for more than a year, and I know edson is one of those, so we have to upgrade him to the members till we figure out the token thing, the hurt token thing uh I didn't get chance to look into it much and I'm not sure how much longer would it take to allocate to all the members having the same token, but for now I agree that ethan should be in the list of members and we can uh move him there about contributors.

A

So I think alita has the least experience lesser than a year, so we'll will keep her there for some time, of course, and as her contribution increases, we might consider her moving upgrading her two members and the rest of the people can be having a community role. Does that sound reasonable to everyone.

D

So like as a contributor right now, I can type in the internal chat, but as soon as I close the app I'll, I won't even see my own messages. If that makes sense like I can't like it as a chat, it doesn't work at all.

C

I mean I'll look into that because it should be one or the other. Like I mean, if you can't type, you should be able to see so um with the kind of structure I I guess this makes a bit of an issue, though, are we saying that people who have contributed level should not be able to access the internal channel? That sounds a bit like restrictive. No, no, because then.

D

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D

Year, waiting period until you're.

A

Getting it's internal yeah, yeah.

D

A

Know they should uh the internal should be accessible for a contributor, as well as members uh just not to the community.

C

Okay, fine, so I'll, try and look into that. The meetings and notes also I'm assuming, should be up in the contributors. That's the conversation that we had.

A

Okay, uh one more thing I wanted to discuss here in this topic is about channels like I see that we have added two more channels of progpo and eipip.

A

I understand in the previous meeting, we agreed that we should not be creating any kind of bridge, but um uh still uh like in two months for the community people from the pro side. So how? How are we planning to manage them? If we do not, because you know I'm not sure if uh they would be very much comfortable, just joining uh discord directly and not having the bridge?

A

Do people have thoughts on that.

C

um My thought would be not to poke the prague pal bear until it's already awake, like I guess, the next time that there's sort of a broad power cycle, maybe we'd, address it directly then, but I wouldn't like I sort of feel like it's kicking the hornet's nest to try to do anything about it. Now.

A

All right, okay, nah uh yeah- I mean for now we'll let them be there I'll I'll talk to a few more people about it like how do they feel uh about migrating to discard on that and then maybe in the next meeting? uh If, if I get some positive feedback that they are interested.

C

Is that is their product conversation happening now.

A

Oh yeah, it is very much.

C

The product the product getter, is actually happening. Wow, I haven't looked at it in a while, uh so you're saying there is active conversation there um yeah. If that's the case, I I I don't like my personal opinion- would be that if the categories themselves are interested in moving into discord, that it shouldn't be too much of a question, it's just sort of like we are moving to discord, feel free to join here's an invite link, but that's just my opinion.

A

All right, but we have seen that in many cases it's always convenient for users to use some kind of bridges. For example, we have recently moved the all core dev uh getter to the this card and hudson helped in creating some kind of bridge, and that's actually very helpful. So I don't see you know any disadvantage and even considering the bridge kind of thing, especially for uh the this kind of community, like a prop for discussion now,.

C

Last last meeting the general consensus was no bridge. You want to take that to a vote again like or not so like. You want to take that conversation again.

A

um Yeah, actually that was my thought like I. I understand that we agreed in the last time, but that uh the main community that we were targeting were the cat herders gator community, but for some reason we missed on the prague, which is again a very big community and pretty much active discussions are going on there. So I would just want people to reconsider this. Having the bridge.

C

So maybe next call like hoping there's a bigger turnout. Then.

A

Yeah sure, um uh william, uh would you like to go ahead with your next uh item? um I like we might want to jump on one or two agenda items and we'll come back so the next one is uh an eip specific session, peep and eat um about that session. uh We, the cat holders, are planning to have an eip specific video series.

A

uh We would also be considering the option of releasing it in podcast later after the recording, but this the first episode that we are trying to record is today at 2 30 p.m, est.

A

If people have questions around what is eip and how they can create a very good eip, please join us at uh 2, 30 p.m and um with matt connect litecoin and yes, william. Do you have anything else to add on that.

C

um I guess it could be. I should do this uh separately, just communicate with you and coordinate with you about this. Just about the different roles in actually getting this done, like who's recording. Is there going to be an emcee? Is there a script like? Is there a list of questions like the basic sort of um technical stuff? I, I guess, um would you rather handle that in the call, or should I coordinate with you like just uh using telegram or something like that.

A

Oh yeah, no problem. I can call it after that, but okay.

C

So we'll handle that.

A

But for the people on call here is the link of a document uh that is the uh that is listing all the uh eeps that we are considering for this video series and if people are interested, they would want to talk about any particular protocol feel free to reach cat hurdles, and, let us know uh we will try to connect back with you and have you on our show.

C

Is there a specific document for the for the one that's being recorded this afternoon evening, depending on where you are or like yeah? I guess basically just that one question like: is there a separate script for each thing like do? Has this been sort of? Is there like a format for it or are we just sort of playing it by ear.

A

So about the format like, I have added a little bit a description here in this document. Peep and eve itself like we would try to uh move the call along some presentation for 10 to 20 minutes by 20 minutes by the author and last 10 minutes. We would come up with some question and answer related to that particular topic for today's topic.

A

It is like overview or how to write a good eve, so questions would be around that and um we are trying to make it you know go as for as per the flow, not scripted very much, but just generic question related to that particular protocol.

C

Is there a list of questions we're going to be taking from people who are tuning in then, and one of the reasons why I'm asking is because this one seems to be like a bit of a curveball? It's not following the general format that's outlined in the document.

A

All right sure I'll share the link with you. After the call.

B

A

Anyone have any question comment, suggestion for this.

B

A

So, moving on the next item, I think you wanted to talk about emergency communication group.

C

Yeah I'd appreciate that, um so I don't have a lot to report. The I mean, I'm, the only one out of myself, jay and hudson who's here. uh Jay has composed a document with uh potential like sort of blue team strategies and protocols in the event of an emergency. We've been looking over that over the past week, or so um I'm trying to figure out exactly what our next step should be. We have like a couple of good documents already.

C

um I think, though, hudson would be really the person to ask about this, not me that we're, probably at a point where we would like to sort of maybe move forward, start contacting um relevant eth1 teams and also eth2 teams into trying to sort of solidify an emergency comms structure of sorts, basically different volunteers, members or whatnot that in the event of an emergency, can be counted on to react and respond to an emergency again on a communications level.

C

There's no like technical group that has keys to the masternode or anything like that, but uh yeah.

A

C

That is basically what we're holding. um I don't have so much else to say about it. Other than that, but being that I seem to be the only one here from the from the team I figured at least I should give an update about it.

A

Thank you very much for the update, william. uh I have looked into both the documents and they look fine to me. I mean the one that uh dj created. uh It's good good, so uh looks good to me and yes, I would also like to wait for hudson to you know, connect with the f1 or f2 security team. So probably we can continue the discussion in the johnny graham channel and maybe by the next meeting we can come up with further updates of that.

C

Yeah that'd be great all right fine, so I think I'm gonna bow out. I need to leave early today, sorry to leave it as uh such a sparse meeting, but I guess the three of you can conspire to like you know, make a coup d'etat and take over the characters or something like that.

C

All right have a great one. Everybody alright bye.

B

A

Oh, I mean like I'm not sure like we have. uh We have a few more items to go on, we'll try to get them as fast as possible.

A

So the next item on the agenda is email account for the caterers we have been discussing this item for past couple of meetings. Brent, unfortunately, could not join us today, but he has provided me the update. The support at ethereumcatherdis.com is now working and we will be using it for communication with the community.

A

The action item associated with this item was to change the email in all the social media account related to cad hurdles I connected with charles, and he helped me change. The twitter account and medium was easier. We could change it easily about the email we had one, a previous gmail at ethereum cathedrals at gmail.com. um Elaine has recently provided me the access to that a big. Thank you to him, because this was very difficult task.

A

It was also not created by him, but somehow we we figured out how to get that and that lead me to an information that the zoom cloud that we have been using uh is exceeding the limit. The storage limits, so we might need to consider deleting some of the old recordings.

A

I know we don't have much people here to right away come to a decision, but this is something I just wanted to throw out for people to know and we can discuss about it.

D

Don't we upload the recordings to youtube.

A

Yes, they are many of them.

D

So deleting them shouldn't be an issue. um It would be an issue if we didn't keep a copy of them.

A

Yeah um I agree. uh I feel that when when some transition was going on, uh when brent move and something went, uh the transition was going on, we did we could not upload, I think, about five or seven episodes.

A

We would like to upload that I will try to access it from the cloud and upload that other than that uh all of the meetings are there. I have also created a playlist for all ech meetings at the youtube uh they gathered us youtube, so I think it should be good too yeah. I agree.

D

Maybe we just don't delete the ones that have been uploaded.

A

D

uh We just don't delete the ones that haven't been uploaded.

A

Right right, I will finish up the uploading um and then only I will go ahead.

A

With moving on the third item on the agenda is ethereum important installation survey, so the cathode is recently started with the survey to get information about the critical installation of ethereum and uh we then we are supposed to share the report.

A

I'm gonna share the draft in the chat, so this is the report that that is generated with the help of results that's collected from the survey, this basically talks about the state of client diversification and we have tried to capture the issues, uh the problems that were discussed in two or three uh all corridor meetings and at different forums itself, with the results that we have received, and we would like to share with the all core dev meeting with the developers, people and yeah feel free to add a comment and I'm hoping to publish it by wednesday or thursday uh before.

B

A

uh On quarter meeting so that people have the answers to the questions that they thought that canada's could be helpful in.

A

Any any comment on that.

D

Oh, it looks good. I just look through.

A

It uh so yeah, I'm gonna, also share this draft in in the telegram group, so people can have a look and if they have any suggestion or comment, they can add that and leaving a period of uh 24 hours for review I'll, go ahead and publish it on the cat holders. Medium.

A

The next item is break off discussion groups proposal. It was proposed by elita, but since she could not make the call, I'm gonna skip it for now and we'll put it in the next meeting agenda and we'll try to discuss more on.

A

It next comes up as scattered as funding molochta and esp, um as people may know, that um we have received a grant from molech, and we are, um we are supposed to report to people with the progress that we are doing here in the cathode is what are the new initiatives and uh how we are being more helpful to the depths and the other community recently. Somebody uh approached me to get a feedback on how we are doing. We have submitted.

A

You know the task that has been performed and we hope that uh that would be helpful in in considering the grant for uh the rest of the year, because the grant was for the um partial we would receive partial grants. So we are hoping to reach out to them after a few months to get more funding for this group.

A

The next item is 1559 free market changes. um I don't see tim on the call today. uh Actually there is another call going on and for that she couldn't make this one, but the update with me is: we are planning to have uh the next meeting on august 28th uh the cathodes would be taking the note, so we would make the notes publicly available for everyone and we hope to see the implementation statuses in different clients.

A

um Clients have reported to be implementing, on the I mean taking. The mixed proposals on the fmeryl net will get to see the updates in the meeting of august 28th.

A

Okay, so next item, I think about them- already have discussed about emergency communication group. So that is done hacker than discussion.

A

uh I'm not sure if people have any thought here, because I don't see more people on the call today, like I assumed, like alita, wanted to discuss it further and unfortunately I did not get my chance to look into it. I was supposed to reach out to a team, but I could not. I will try to get on that by next meeting or maybe or two to come up with a proposal, but if anybody else has any thought on proposal feel free to.

A

A

So I think, let's move this topic to the future meetings: number 10, um yeah, that's about the cat, headers funding and the pm. Do we see any new item there?

A

Let me see: no, I don't see any new item here, but we have recently received a comment from the getter community about some user facing some issue related to trinity, and I have mentioned it there as well.

A

If people have any difficulty feel free to raise, create an issue here to the cad headers and will reach out to, however, for that particular user, uh he is now in touch with the trinity, and I hope that he might have been help, but in case you could not reach out to any of the client team feel free to reach cat herders, and we would be happy to connect you with the right team.

A

About the funding issues I see if you are open um I'll, get in touch with hudson and tim and we'll try to um clean. I mean close all the issues as possible.

D

uh One thing about the pm: uh we still have the issue converting site to die, slash usd um that should have been solved a couple months ago. I think we can close that issue.

A

Yeah, actually uh there was this one transaction of five or ten uh die. That was that accidentally happened to the funding account that was actually related to our previous multisig.

A

So we decided to move that fund to the new gnosis account and I I think hudson has completed the transaction, but he left a comment that once that is done, this issue can be officially closed.

A

And now the last item on the agenda. Today we had a quick meeting, so the last item on the agenda is meeting notes, 39 and action item and decisions that we made action item. One continue collecting response to client diversity survey. We we have been receiving responses, but uh on 15th was the last date, and now we are working on the publishing of the blog for results that we have received 35.2 continued discussion.

A

We will continue this discussion in the next meeting, 35.3 formalize, the eip podcast right now we would be going by the youtube, but soon we would be like you know, uh working uh to release every episodes in the form of podcast as well for uh people like uh we have seen good amount of people requesting for the podcast. So we'll consider that as well, I'm looking into the options how we can do that and uh decision main migrate old chats to the discord.

A

Yes, we are, we are working on it. We have to send a few more reminders, I believe, to let the entire community move to the discord channel and then we can officially close the getter for cat reduce.

A

Although I want to discuss more about the eip, um sorry, the top power kitchen- maybe we will discuss it in the next meeting, so yeah, that's all about it. We had a very quick call today. Do people have any other topic or agenda that they would want to.

A

A

Okay, the next meeting is in um two weeks from now it's on september 1st.

A

Thank you all for joining us today.

B

Sorry, my connection was it's a little bit choppy I wanted to. I wanted to ask some things to you, but I don't know if this is the right place. Maybe we should talk later about. um I would like to know about the information you are.

B

You are getting from miners and your interviews. Is it the right place to do it or we should do it afterwards?.

A

um Actually, the information that we are receiving from miners, um um we are not making them very public, but the data is, uh there is going to be there on the blog post that we are publishing soon. But if you have a specific query, uh you can dm me. I understand that I have connected you with respect to one of the miners that they tried to reach the open, ethereum team. So I'll be happy to answer you offline.

A

Did I answer your question.

A

I'm I'm sorry, I'm not sure. If I get to you, um I mean I, I see a microphone moving, but I I did not hear any voice. Maybe um connection is not stable, I'm not sure but I'll be happy to connect with you offline, uh my cello after this, and try to answer all your questions related. To that particular mind.

A

Any more thing to be discussed.

A

A

Okay, see you everyone in two weeks.

B

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

A

Thank you have a good day.

B