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From YouTube: Ethereum Cat Herders Meeting #39 [2020/08/04]
Description
Agenda - https://github.com/ethereum-cat-herders/PM/issues/131
A
So
the
first
ninja
item
is
the
east
ii
medalla
test
net
launch
hudson,
I
think
you're
just
mentioning
this.
Would
you
like
to
explain
what
that's
all
about.
B
Sure,
absolutely
so,
eth2,
it's
actually
so
everyone's
going
to
pronounce
it
mandala.
It's
madasha!
It's
like
it's
like
a
specific.
It's
a
subway
station
or
a
train
station.
I
forgot
which
one
in
buenos
aires,
argentina
and
a
specific
dialect
in
buenos
aires
pronounces
it
medasha
instead
of
medallia
so
for
the
midasha
testnet,
it's
a
multi-client
test
net
with
five
client
eth
2.0
clients
on
it
and
it's
the
largest
and
most
complex
test
net
of
its
kind.
B
I
believe
it's
thought
to
be
the
last
one
before
the
launch
of
the
phase:
zero
beacon
chain
launch
for
ether,
2.0
and
today
was
the
launch
about
exactly
an
hour
and
four
minutes.
Don't
wait
34
minutes
ago.
Maybe
let
me
see
no
hour.
B
Yeah
and
we
had
a
live
stream
on
youtube
that
I
ran,
and
then
there
were
people
from
the
subreddit
staker
and
then,
of
course,
some
of
the
developers
who
were
on
the
zoom
call
with
some
dashboards
open.
There
was
over
16
100
1
650
participants
at
one
point,
which
is
really
cool.
B
When
the
test
net
launched
there,
wasn't
the
required
amount
of
participation
for
blocks
to
finalize
and
for
what's
called
the
chain
to
be
justified,
which
means
two
epochs
in
a
row
of
finalization.
I
think
of
fine
wait.
Let
me
look
real
quick.
B
Is
it
a
finalization
or
yeah
finality
and
two
epochs
is
justification,
so
then
the
chain
overall
finalized,
because
more
validators
came
online.
B
Part
of
the
concern
from
my
perspective
is
a
coin
article,
like
coin
media,
like
coin
desk
and
coin
telegraph,
showing
this
as
a
failure,
because
there
was
not
the
amount
of
validators,
but
this
is
actually
a
good
thing
because
it
showed
the
quick
network
recovery
and
some
of
the
edge
cases
that
might
come
about
because
of
low
participation,
turning
into
high
participation
within
a
30
minute
period.
So
overall
it
was
a
very
successful
launch.
B
B
I've
already
started
some
discussions,
but
I
need
to
talk
to
eath
trader
and
see
if
we
can
have
an
ether
or
not
ethertrader
eath
staker
and
we
could
have
a
subreddit
eat
steak
or
slash
cat
herders,
launch
stream
hosted
either
on
the
ethereum
foundation
or
cat
herders
youtube,
probably
cat
herders,
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
possibility
of
that.
So
we
can
get
ready.
We
can
also
start
to
help
them
with
making
sure
validators
are
online
for
the
next
launch
for
the
next
launch
of
the
next.
B
You
know
phase
of
the
eth2
development.
So
that's
another
thing
we
can
look
into,
although
that's
a
little
more
difficult
just
because
it's
so
new,
it's
hard
to
know
who
to
reach
out
to
and
things
like
that,
but
it
would
take
some
pressure
off
of
the
eth2
team
to
do
that
themselves.
So
that's
all!
I
have
with
that,
are
there
any
questions.
C
B
D
So
at
this
point
of
like
done
with,
they
have
this
at
research
discord
channel
specifically
dedicated
to
ethereum
two
dot
or
test
nets
for
madasha.
They
have
a
specific
channel,
so
people
interested
they
can
go
there
and
get
some
information
and
talk
to
validators
and
try
to
be
one
of
them.
A
To
to
see
your
your
mentions
about
getting
like
ethereum
cat
herders
involved
that
that
would
be
cool,
yeah,
absolutely.
A
I
was
gonna
say
if
you
guys
wanted
to
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
I
don't
know
if
this
one
is.
D
No,
actually
that's
exactly
what
I
was
trying
to
say
that
we
have
actually
categorized
that
as
a
specific
topic
to
discuss
more
about
it
on
like
how
we
can
like
collaborate
with
other
people
and
ech
become
the
host
for
beacon
chain
live
stream.
So
we'll
talk
more
about
it
in
the
upcoming
items,
so
feel
free
to
go
ahead.
A
Great
cool
yeah,
so
the
email
item
number
two
on
the
agenda
is
the
email
accounts
for
cat
herders
yeah.
F
Yeah
I've
been
I've
been
working
on
that
one,
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
my
way
around.
The
zoho
management
system
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
ways
to
log
in
and
stuff
like
that.
If
someone
knows
how
to
create
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
create
yet
another
email
account
for
support
at
ethereumcatehers.com.
F
But
I
I
didn't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
it
yet
but
I'll
double
down
and
make
sure
I
get
that
done
for
next
time.
We
do
have
one
email
set
up:
that's
working,
that's
member
at
ethercat
herders,
but
we
want
to
get
support,
and
so
I'm
still
playing
around
with
that
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
all
that
so
apologize
for
not
having
that
ready
I'll
plan
on
having
that
ready
for
next
time.
So
we'll
have
to
move
that
to
next
time.
I
guess.
A
So,
just
to
recap
last
me:
we
discussed
brent,
removing
a
member
and
then
adding
support
to
not
only
just
have
the
one
support
email,
but
also
to
see
if
you
could
remove
email
accounts.
Yep.
F
Yep
yeah
my
goal
is
to
get
support
at
ethereumcathers.com,
create
it
and
then
set
that
as
the
primary
email,
because
right
now,
it's
member
and
then
see.
If
I
can
delete
member
and
figure
out
how
to
do
all
that-
and
I
haven't
figured
out
how
to
work.
There's
so
many
different
ways
to
log
into
zoho
as
different
users
and
stuff
like
that.
F
But
and
I
just
need
to
spend
some
more
time
figuring
out
how
to
how
to
run
zoho
and
and
manage
email
accounts
for
ethereum
cat
herders,
and
we
got
it
all
set
up
and
mostly
working.
But
I
still
have
some
more
work
to
do
to
figure
all
that
out,
but
but
yeah.
That's
still.
The
goal
is
to
create
a
support
at
ethereumcathers.com,
make
that
the
primary
email
and
then
remove
a
member
at
ethereumcathers.com.
D
So
there
was
one
action
item
related
to
that.
That
was
on
me
about
like
updating
the
the
social
media
platform
with
the
new
email
addresses.
I
looked
into
that
and
I
found
that
the
medium
one
is
actually
related
to
one
of
the
old
email
addresses
of
lean,
which
I
am
I'm.
I
am
aware
that
is
not
valid
anymore,
so
we
will
try
to
get
it
fixed
with
whenever
brent
comes
up
with
a
new
email
address,
we'll
try
to
work
around
it.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
then
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
agenda.
Item
three
is
the
ethereum
important
installation
survey
which,
as
I
recall,.
D
So
yeah
it
was
with
me.
We
have
shared
this
survey.
The
ethereum
critical
installation
survey
with
a
few
people
in
the
like
the
the
email
addresses
the
the
contacts
list
we
had.
We
had
shared
with
them.
Also
it
is
also
available
with
the
twitter
and
many
other
places
we
have
received
certain
response
and,
as
we
discussed
in
the
previous
all
corridor
meeting,
wanted
to
check
with
the
group
like
what
do
they
think
about
adding
enr
and
other
support.
So
I
mean
what
are
the
general
response?
D
A
Oh
by
the
way
pooja,
this
is
off
topic,
but
did
you
look
into
attaching
the
the
cat
herders
email
to
the
social
media
accounts.
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
mentioned
that
for
medium.
I
was
looking
into
that
and
I
found
that
the
email
originally
associated
with
that
medium
account
is
actually
an
old
one
and
it's
not
valid
anymore.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
it
can
be
done,
but
I
will
try
to
look
into
it
more
once
we
get
the
email
done
from
a
brand
and
support
ethereumcathers.com.
A
D
D
D
So
so
we
are
really
receiving
good
responses,
like
many
people
from
mining,
pool,
exchanges,
wallet
and
rap,
and
all
all
sort
of
people
have
reached
to
us
responded
to
the
survey
and
the
general
general
response
is
pretty
good.
I
mean
I
mean
it's
a
mixed.
One
like
people
are
using
all
different
sort
of
clients
installed
there,
but
I'm
looking
for
some
more
support
to
spread
the
word
around,
because
it's
my
feeling
that
it's
not
widely
out
so,
but
we
should
spread
it
more.
There
was
one
more
thing
I
wanted
to
discuss.
D
How
do
we
feel
about
sharing
it
with
the
ethernet
people
and
try
to
get
that
information?
I
mean
these
information
is
a
part
of
what
they
are
already
sharing
with
the
community
like
they
are
sharing
the
percentage
of
nodes
and
we
have
this
questionnaire.
So
can
we
just
how
do
people
think
about
like
collaborating
with
them
and
doing
it.
C
Collaboration
with
ethernets
is
good,
but
I
think
part
of
the
point
of
the
survey
is
probably
also
just
to
cross
verify
the
numbers,
like
I'm,
not
sure,
we're
sure
about
exactly
how
representative
ethernet's
numbers
are.
No,
I
mean,
like
you'd,
be
talking
about
relying
on
their
numbers
or
like
how
would
that
collaboration
look.
D
So
my
understanding,
if
I'm
forgive
me
if
I'm
messing
up
somewhere
technically
but
my
understanding
is
the
information
showed
that
the
ethernet
is
directly
coming
up
from
the
blockchain.
They
are
fetching
the
data
directly
from
the
blockchain
and
when
we
are
reaching,
we
are
reaching
to
individuals
to
pools,
and
this
thing
so
my
perception
is
like
fetching.
Data
directly
from
the
blockchain
would
be
more
reliable
than
reaching
up
to
a
certain
group
of
people
because
we
may
not
be.
We
may
be
able
to
reach
a
you
know.
C
For
instance,
even
if
you
have
a
lot
of
hobby
like
hobby,
node
runners
or
hobby
miners
who
are
running
particular
installations,
if
the
critical
installations
that
that
follow
a
different
statistic,
pattern
by
mining
pools
or
things
like
that,
that
is
very
critical
information
to
know,
for
instance,
even
if
geth
right
now,
I
think,
is
thinking
around
70
on
ether
nodes.
If
we
find
out
that
by
mining
pools,
it's
more
like
90
95.
C
That
means
that
we
have
a
much
bigger
issue
with
how
much
annuity
is
that
even
a
word
being
homogeneous
around
one
client?
Then
we
think
we
do
so.
I
would
think
that
reaching
out
to
the
the
survey
does
seem
organized
around
trying
to
really
target
people
who
are
running
a
lot
of
nodes
or
a
lot
of
the
instances.
C
D
So
I
think
I'm
getting
a
point
and
I
find
it
quite
valid,
because
the
information
that
we
are
receiving
is
like.
We
are
getting
the
right
information.
What
what
are
the
notes,
like
the
number
of
notes
that
are
by
individuals
or
hobby
sequels
and
from
the
exchanges
and
wallets?
So
I
will
keep
on
collecting
this
information
and,
let's
see
how
it
comes
out
to
be
so.
D
As
far
as
we
have
received
the
information
so
far,
we
see,
like
66
percent,
says
that
they
have
get
installation
along
with
open
ethereum
parity
ethereum
is
still
dominant,
like
44
percent
is
open
and
like
open,
ethereum
and
55
says
that
parity
theorem
is
still
there,
so
people
are
still
using
that
client
and
we
are
getting
also
good
responses
in
terms
like
for
future.
What
are
they
like
if
they
would
have
to
choose
somebody?
They
are
coming
up
with
a
good
mix?
D
C
D
I
think
I
would
be
still
collecting
it
for
maybe
one
or
two
weeks
more,
because
I
see
that
we
are
still
to
get
some
information
from
some
of
the
major
node
operators.
I
believe
so.
I
hope
we
should
be
collecting
it
for
now.
A
Awesome
so
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
item
agenda
item
4,
which
is
the
ech
discord
channel,
and
I
think
it's.
I
think
this
includes
the
the
bridge
between
the
discord
channel,
getter
and
telegram,
which
I
know
a
little
bit
about.
But
as
I
guess,
puja,
who
was
kind
of
had
the
discord
channel
set
up
how's
that
going.
D
C
Okay
and
something
that
we
talked
about
before
also,
I
think
in
the
last
call-
was
the
possibility
of
sort
of
slowly
migrating
off
of
the
telegram
and
getter
and
both
in
the
last
call,
and
in
this
call,
if
there's
any
strong
dissent
to
that
we'd,
be
interested
in
hearing
that
personally,
I
strongly
prefer
discord
as
a
platform
to
either
get
her
or
telegram
in
the
beginning,
just
to
not
make
it
as
abrupt.
C
So
the
idea
excuse
me
was
originally
floated
that
we
should
have
bridges
from
the
telegram
and
from
the
getter
into
the
discord.
I
was
supposed
to
do
that
and
have
not.
I
just
simply
haven't
had
a
chance.
I've
been
a
bit
swamped.
Elita
said
she
might
be
able
to
help
and
come
in
on
that.
C
D
Yeah,
I
hope
so
like
we
were
aiming
to
start
it
like
make
it
public
as
early
as
possible.
So
whenever
we
are
ready
with
bridging
for
the
present
one,
then
we
can
make
it
public.
A
Okay,
so
going
into
the
bridges,
because
I've
looked
into
that.
Basically,
the
plan
is
to
use
a
thing
called
matrix
bridges,
which
has
which
can
do
bridges
between
all
three
of
the
platforms
that
we're
discussing
it's
an
open
source
software
that
we
can
implement.
I
think
I'm
not
exactly
positive
as
to
how
it
works,
but
I
think
we
need
a
dedicated
server
of
some
kind.
So
if
anybody
has
just
like
you
know,
I.
A
Their
own
server
or
something
that
they
would
be
willing
to
donate
a
bit
of,
I
think
it's
not
going
to
be
very
computationally
expensive,
but
a
couple
options
would
include
like
a
raspberry
pi
or
something
along
those
lines.
I
will
be
looking
into
getting
hosting
for
that,
as
well
as
just
maybe
setting
up
a
general
test
net
on
my
own
computer
that
we
can
worry
about
continue
posting
later
yeah.
A
A
D
So
we
can
probably
have
a
transition
period
like
we
can
start
with
bridging
at
this
time
and
then,
maybe
eventually
in
one
or
two
months,
or
maybe
a
three
months
target
we
we
would
like
to
like
have
one
discard
only
and
on
that,
the
one
of
the
responses
I
want
to
share
here
that
we
received
from
the
feedbacks
that
we
are
collecting
for
no
from
the
node
operators.
D
C
I
I
think
we
already
put
in
help
channels.
I
mean
if
there
needs
to
be
a
specific
networking
health
channel.
That
really
would
not
be
an
issue
at
all
to
add
something
like
that
in.
I
might
point
out
also,
if
we're
already
getting
into
votes,
for
not
even
bridging
between
telegram
and
getter.
It
could
be
that
before
we
actually
put
in
the
work
to
get
the
bridges
up,
maybe
we
should
see
if
they're
actually
really
like
I
mean
the
reason
I
just
sort
of
assumed
bridges.
C
D
D
C
A
Yeah
okay,
so
let's
do
agenda
item
five,
which
is
cat
hardest
funding.
A
If
I
recall
correctly,
this
was
postponed
last
meeting.
I
don't
know
it
wasn't
postponed
from
last
me.
I
don't
think.
Was
it
I'm
confused
yeah,
okay,
so
it
was
postponed
until
hudson
got
back
so
hudson.
Would
you
like
to
talk
about
this.
B
Sure
so
I
figured
out
how
to
you
to
get
the
all
of
these
shares
from
the
molech
dow
grant
that
we
participated
in
the
shares
are
equal
to
certain
amounts
of
wrapped
ether.
B
We
have
123.6
wrapped
ether,
which
is
just
a
type
of
it's
just
turning
ether
into
an
erc20
token
and
unwrapping
it
cost
a
transaction
we
initially
asked
for
thirty
thousand
dollars
at
the
time
of
the
grant.
Thirty
thousand
dollars
was
a
lot
meant
that
the
price
of
ether
was
cheaper,
so
actually
the
wrapped
ether
equals
forty
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
ninety
three
dollars
currently.
B
Put
half
of
that
into
stable
coins?
I
haven't
done
that
yet,
but
we
discussed
that
on
the
multi-sig
channel
private
one
with
some
of
the
multi-sig
holders,
if
there's
any
dissent
to
that.
Obviously
we
were
going
to
ask
here
before,
but
we
were
thinking,
I
guess,
a
quarter
in
usdc
a
quarter
and
die
and
then
half
an
ether.
What
do
people
think
of
that?
Because
we're
not
fully
like
completely
100
on
that,
but
yeah.
B
D
I
actually
created
it
and
then
added
william
he
volunteered
to
help
with
the
admin
thing.
So
I
tried
to
categorized
into
three
different
sections,
one
as
like
I'm
sorry
I
we
have
listed
it
in
one
of
the
previous
meetings
like
we
had.
We
are
trying
to
make
it
into
three
different
set
of
peoples,
one
who
are
the
members
who
are
actually
holding
the
hardest.
D
B
B
B
We
can
decide
over
time
if
we
need
to
transfer
some
of
that
to
dye
or
usdc,
but
my
thinking
is
in
the
event
that
there'd
be
a
catastrophic
crash
within
stablecoin
or
with
the
price
of
eth.
Stable
coins
would
become
unpegged
too.
When
I
say
catastrophic,
I
mean
like
eat
below
at
10
or
something
like
that.
The
the
stable
coins
would
become
unstable.
B
A
A
So
one
of
the
discussion
points
last
week
was
about
how
to
use
how
to
use
that
funding,
and
specifically
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
potential
of
a
hackathon,
so
a
hackathon
would
cost
anywhere
from
ten
to
twenty
thousand
dollars,
at
least
in
my
rough
estimation,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
beneficial
way
to
kind
of
get
more
onboarding
and
public
notoriety.
A
So
the
theme
would
be
around
hacking
like
hacking,
eth
contracts
using
solidity
or
what
have
you?
I
think
that
one
of
the
primary
drivers
of
the
cost
behind
a
hackathon
would
be
the
cost
for
travel,
at
least
according
to
some
online
articles,
and
so
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
host
the
hackathon
in
a
major
city
of
some
kind,
with
presumably
some
some
students.
A
Or
wherever,
like
wherever
the
highest
interest,
we
think
would
be
but
yeah
the
basic
like
theme
would
be
hacking,
a
smart
contract
contract
to
get
like
you
know,
ether,
and
you
could
do
it
on
like
on
the
ether
test
net,
for
example.
So
that
would
be
a
cool
ech
hosted
test
net
type
deal
yeah,
I
don't
know,
but
I
personally
think
that
would
be
a
good
use
of
the
money.
Aside
from
funding
ech
in
general.
Of
course,.
A
So
I
don't
know
how
long
it
would
take
to
like
plan
that
out.
To
be
honest,
I
would
say
anywhere
from
six
to
eight
months,
and
then
I
was
thinking
that
really,
I
guess
serendipitous
date
would
be,
would
be
july
30th
of
next
year,
because
it
was
the
date
of
the
first
mining
mine
block
or
whatever.
D
I
think
coming
like
we
can
also
start
with
collaborating
with
some
people
like
if
we
are
seeing
that
in
person
is
like
far
away
from
now.
Maybe
we
can
start
looking
for
some
other
options,
doing
it
online
with
the
in
collaboration
of
maybe
bitcoin
or
like
you
know,
there
are
many
other
hackathon
organizers.
A
That
is
a
very
good
idea.
Yeah.
I
definitely
agree
that
collaboration
would
be
a
really
good
idea
if
you
just
wanted
to
do
a
general
cryptocurrency.
I
Yeah,
I
think
we've
we've
collaborated
a
lot
that
pegasus
would
get
quite
in
the
past
for
their
hackathons
and
it's
been
generally
a
good
experience
like
you
can
just
put
up
a
bounty
for
something
you're
interested
in
and
and
they
handle
all
the
logistics
and
whatnot
and
find
people
to
work
on
it.
So
I
think
if
we
found
like
a
few
few
specific
topics
that
that
we
think
make
sense
for
people
to
work
on
yeah
partnering
with
git
coin
or
if
global
is
another
one,
they
just
have
all
the
experience.
I
Setting
that
up
and
and
frankly,
are
quite
good
at
it.
So
I
think
it's
yeah.
It's
a
pretty
easy
way
to
do.
It.
A
I
really
like
that
idea.
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
the
next
meeting
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
list
of
potential
topics
and
people
to
to
organize
with.
Maybe
maybe
if
there
was
like
some
sort
of
list
that
we
could
make
about.
Well,
I
think
people
we
work
with
in
the
past
and
the
potential
ideas
for
future
engagement.
I
One
thing
that
could
be
cool
if
we,
if
we
were
to
partner
with
a
hackathon,
is
to
have
some
like
less
technical
things.
Actually,
like
you
know,
how
do
you
improve
like
the
how
eeps
are
displayed
right
or
searched
on,
or
I
I
don't
know
what
else
like
people
always
complain
that,
like
you
can't
find
information,
I
don't
know
about
hard
forks
about
eeps,
about
like
governance
or
whatever,
but
I
think
there'd
be
a
lot
of
value
in
having
bounties.
I
For
that
like
improve
the
sort
of
like
non-technical
ux
for
navigating
ethereum,
I
haven't
thought
about
it
much,
but
it
feels
like
it's
something
that
people
keep
kind
of
complaining
about,
that.
The
cat
hurters
are
like
in
a
good
position
to
evaluate,
I
think,
that's
another.
Another
challenge
with
hackathons
is
you
need
to
be
able
to
like
really
evaluate
well
different
submissions,
so
if,
for
example,
you're
asking
for
something
super
technical,
you
need
a
super
technical
judge.
Otherwise
you
won't
be
able
to
distinguish
between
like
two
good
submissions
but
yeah.
I
D
Yeah,
I
like
the
idea
too
so
the
the
concept
behind
this
hackathon
that
I
proposed
a
few
meetings
back
was
like.
We
want
to
engage
more
community
people
and
people
who
are
not
only
technical,
but
if
they
would
want
to
contribute
in
any
other
form
if
they
are
there
and
they
are
willing
to
even
learn
if
we
can
create
some
kind
of
program
or
have
some
activities
around
that.
D
That,
I
think
should
be
helpful,
and
on
that
I
think
I
mean
I
will
get
back
to
on
on
this
topic
more,
maybe
in
the
next
meeting,
but
I'm
just
giving
you
some
rough
idea
to
you
know
food
of
thought
kind
of
thing
like
I
was
in
a
meeting,
and
I
found
there
is
a
group
that
they
are
kind
of
making
two
sets
of
people
like
got
a
trainer
and
trainee
kind
of
thing,
and
they
they
try
to
bring
them
together
and
they
try
to.
D
You
know,
people
who
are
interested
and
they
want
to
learn
match
with
the
people
who
are
expert
in
that
knowledge.
Maybe
these
kind
of
activities
that
we
can
collaborate
with
these
kind
of
people
would
will
be
also
helpful.
A
That's
a
great
idea.
I
really
really
like
that.
That's
awesome
and
I
also
really
like
the
general
idea
of
showing
that
ethereum
is
bigger
than
just
technical.
You
know
specificity
and
development,
you
don't
have
to
be
a
coder
to
be
involved
and
to
really
make
an
impact
and
help
us
and
contribute
to
ethereum,
and
that's
something
that
I
think
would
be
a
very
valuable
sort
of
message
to
go
off
off
of
on.
A
This,
although
notably,
if
that
was
the
goal,
it
would
be
worth
considering
that
going
with
bitcoin
on
the
one
hand,
would
probably
make
that
more
difficult,
like
would,
would
make
that
sort
of
message
more
difficult.
So
if
we
want
to
go
with
that
sort
of
mission
statement,
then
an
in-person
hackathon
would
be
beneficial.
A
I
Sure
I
gave
a
quick
update
on
the
the
the
chat
last
week,
so
basically
there's
three
mainstream
of
works
happening
right
now.
The
first
is
the
basu
team
and
the
vulcanized
team
are
working
on
getting
a
test
net
up
to
just
test.
The
both
implementations
of
1559
make
sure
they
work
together
and
eventually
make
sure
they
can
work
under
stress,
so
the
biggest
the
biggest
challenge,
with
eip1559,
at
least
in
my
view,
is
because
the
block
size
becomes
variable.
I
So
that
means
it's
not
fixed
at
12
million
gas,
but
it
can
go
up
to
25
million
it.
We
don't
know
if
clients
can
percep
process
blocks
that
are
filled
to
25
million
gas
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
and
so
that
could
be
an
attack
on
the
network.
So
someone
could
just
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
create,
really
big
blocks
and
then,
if
nodes
can
process
them,
they'll
drop
off
the
network.
I
That's
not
great,
so
we
want
to
have
a
test
net
and
then
kind
of
attack
it
so
that
we
can
know
what
happens
basically
to
the
clients.
So
that's
one
stream
of
work.
It's
ongoing
progressing
nicely.
I
Second
stream
of
work
is
trying
to
just
do
simulations
of
what
different
people
on
the
network
will
will
do
under
1559,
so
that
work
is
being
done
by
the
ef
and
it's
also
coming
along
nicely
and
and
part
of
of
that
is
to
just
create
a
bunch
of
like
spam
transactions
for
the
network
to
create
these
big
blocks
and
see
what
happens
and
then
the
third
stream
of
work
is
to
get
a
formal
analysis
of
the
done.
I
So
basically,
the
the
eep
is
based
on
a
lot
of
people's
hunches
about
what
should
work
and
how
it
should
work.
But
there's
no
really
like
formal
proof
of
that.
So
this
is
still
kind
of
earlier
we've
gotten
in
touch
with
some
researchers
to
try
and
do
that
work,
but
there's
no
there's,
no
one,
that's
been
like
publicly
confirmed
yet,
or
that
has
like
publicly
announced
they're
working
on
it.
I
So
it's
it's
still
quite
a
work
in
progress,
but
it's
I'm
cautiously
optimistic
that
it
it
will
happen
so
yeah,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at.
A
Awesome,
thank
you
so
much
tim
for
the
summary.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
on
that.
A
I
Yeah
sorry
yeah,
maybe
one
just
final
catheter's
related
thing-
is
we'll
probably
have
a
call
in
the
next.
I
don't
know
two
to
four
weeks
and
and
just
need
notes
for
that
and
if
usually
griffin
from
the
ef
can
do
them,
but
if
not
yeah
it'd
be
great
to
just
have
somebody
helping
with
the
notes,
because
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
document
these
calls.
D
Yeah,
I
also
moved
to
mention
that
thing
in
the
molecular
tao
canada's
funny
thing,
so
I
was
about
to
propose
this
so
tim.
Yes,
we
can
certainly
create
a
schedule
for
ongoing
1559
meetings.
We
have
been
provided
fun
from
malik
for
that
meeting
as
well.
So
yeah
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
A
This
okay,
so
let's
move
on
to
the
next
act
or
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
new
proposals.
Currently,
the
new
proposals
include
the
ethereum
to
beacon
chain
launch,
which
I
think
was
talked
about,
but
that's
specifically
about
the
ech
hosting
the
live
stream
and
then
the
second
part.
The
second
proposal
is
the
eip
specific
session.
Would
anybody
like
to
discuss
those
two
things.
B
A
So
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
reach
out
to
jay.
Some
of
us
know
jay
so
jay
recently,
or
at
least
in
my
recent
memory,
hosted
a
live
stream
where
she
showed
like
a
video
like
a
movie
which
was
really
it
was
through,
like
a
decentralized,
a
d,
app
type
application
online.
It
was
pretty
cool.
A
C
No
there's
a
there's,
an
app
called
live,
pier
that
does
the
centralized
live
streaming
chris
hobcroft's
involved
with
them.
He
was
one
of
the
initial
cat
herders.
B
A
I'm
not
actually
sure
I
think
it
didn't
look
this
nice,
but
that
would
be
cool.
So
any
sort
of
I
think
my
general
point
being
that
yeah
we
can
do
it
through
a
decentralized
you
know,
program
or
just
even
giving
them
some
some
shout
outs
would
be,
I
think,
really
good
better
than
youtube.
Necessarily
great.
D
Yeah,
I
have
added
that
item
so
talking
on
that,
like
a
few
like
a
few
agents
back
jim
mentioned
that
we
are,
we
are
hearing
from
the
community
that
there
is
not
enough
eip
discussion
or
maybe
not
enough
eip
information,
and
I
was
wondering
how
canada
can
be
helpful
for
that.
So
I
was
thinking
and
this
is
a
proposal.
D
So
can
we
have
an
eip
special
session
like
an
eip
in
30
minutes
kind
of
thing
by
cat
hairdos?
Maybe
the
subgroup
would
be
eipip,
because
there
we
talk
about
more
eip
and
process
improvement
stuff,
but
I'm
just
gonna
lay
out
this
structure.
That
is
there
in
my
mind
and
if
people
have
thoughts,
we
can
discuss
more
about
it.
So,
like
I
came
to
think
about
it.
D
While
I
was
working
on
the
upgrade
retrospective
stuff
like
the
postmortem,
and
one
thing
that
came
up
was
like
not
every
e
gets
enough
time
to
be
discussed
on
all
core
dev
call.
So
it's
like
you
know.
You
know
we
are
discussing
eve
in
90
minutes
call
and
it
get
10
to
15
minutes
to
be
talked
about,
which
is
good
for
client
team.
D
Like
client,
that
they
are
understanding
the
protocols
and
everything,
but
that
may
not
be
sufficient
for
the
community
so
for
any
protocol
that
is
to
be
considered
for
network
upgrade,
I
think
community
consensus
is
needed,
so
caterers
can
help
start
building
it
from
the
day,
one
the
one
the
pr
is
submitted
in
the
eip
repository.
D
So
why
like?
Why
would
why
we
would
want
to
have?
This
is
like
this
will
help
increase
the
visibility
of
for
that
e
will
increase
the
community
discussion
like
encourage
people
to
discuss
more
about
it.
It
will
decrease.
I
mean
it.
I
believe
that
it
will
help
us
decreasing
the
prs
that
is
stacking
up
in
the
eip
repository.
If
we
get.
D
D
So
the
content
that
I
could
think
of
is
like
the
cat,
headers
or
the
eip
group
will
select
one
of
the
e,
for
that
could
be
a
potentially
new
eat,
just
like
for
introduction
or
maybe
an
eat
which
is
under
discussion
for
past
two
or
three
meetings,
or
maybe
a
final
call
eat.
That
is
there
in
the
like
funny
call
and
people
don't
know,
because
I
have
seen
many
eaves,
which
are
there
and
for
final
call
for
so
many
days
and
it
I
really
should
be
only
for
14
days,
two
weeks
period.
D
Only
the
format
that
is
there
is
like
we
would
invite
the
author,
and
he
would
explain
he
or
she
would
explain
the
eep
and
also
the
possible
use
cases
of
that,
and
they
would
also
share
the
github
and
the
discussion
forum
and
if
there
collect
some
kind
of
questions
beforehand
for
that
particular.
If
we
will
share
that
or
maybe
we
would
try
to
make
a
live
stream
and
discuss
more
about
that.
D
That
protocol
and
the
proposal
is
to
have
it
like
once
in
every
two
week,
and
that
should
be
like
one
week
ahead
of
the
all
coded
meeting
so
that
we
have
this
thing
ready
and
we
will
share
the
link
with
the
kodak
chat
and
people
may
be
able
to
know
more
about
it
beforehand,
and
the
discussion
in
the
coder
meeting
will
start
from
there
like
they
don't
have
to
go
for
this
part
and
the
30
minutes
time
would
be.
D
I,
in
my
mind
would
be
like
quite
reasonable
for
authors
to
explain
that
protocol
in
a
very
well
defined
way.
This
would
be
documented,
of
course,
because
it
is
in
a
video
form,
very
easy
for
community
to
refer
and
the
invitee
the
people
who
can
who
can
participate
in
this
kind
of
meeting
for
calls
can
be
the
author,
the
hardcore
coordinator,
magician
people,
client,
devs
and
community.
D
A
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
that's
actually
all
I
have.
C
Strikes
me
like,
potentially
a
lot
of
work,
though,
like
managing
to
dive
into
each
subject.
Well
enough
to
understand
it
well
enough
to
be
able
to
present
it
in
a
way
where
it
can
be
community
understandable,
like
especially
if
it's
some
of
the
deeper
level
things,
and
so
it
might
be
a
bit
of
a
heavy
workload.
But
that
might
be
something
worth
bearing
in
mind.
D
So
the
idea
is
to
collect
more
and
more
information.
From
the
author
I
mean
like
we
would
be
just
the
facilitator
here.
We
would
be
inviting
the
author
to
explain
the
eep
in
a
way,
for
example,
like
I
was
considering,
like
example
of
1559,
this
ape
is
very,
very
popular.
It's
going
to
have
a
like
potential
effect
on
the
main
network
whenever
it
is
there,
but
still
there
are
a
lot
of
confusion
around
that
eve,
and
not
only
this
1559.
D
There
are
few
other
proposals
which
came
up
in
due
course
of
time,
and
not
many
people
are
aware
of
it.
Maybe
not
because
you
know
not.
Everybody
is
so
technical
to
go
back
and
read
the
technical
differences.
So
I
feel,
like
it's
very
important
to
be.
You
know,
said
in
a
simpler
word
for
community
and
answer
them
like
simple
question
answers
that
community
may
have.
C
A
In
my,
I
think,
that's
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
I
think
I
think
it
would
go
a
long
way
as
far
as
the
adoption
of
eips
as
well.
Just
generally
speaking
for
the
for
the
community
at
large
puja.
Are
you
suggesting
a
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
said
specifically,
but
are
you
suggesting
a
group
where
it's
kind
of
a
q,
a
with
the
author.
D
Kind
of
yes,
like
my
suggestion,
is
about
having
a
series
of
eip
every
alternate
week
in
which
we
will
invite
the
order.
The
cat
orders
will
invite
the
author,
and
we
would
also
invite
knowledgeable
people
from
the
space
like
we
will
have
hardware
coordinator
and
some
of
the
clients
who
would
like
to
participate
and
we'll.
Let
author
provide
a
platform
to
talk
to
people
and
let
them
know
about
the.
There
are
a
few
eats
which
are
in
the
final
stage,
but
not
many
people
are
aware
of
it,
not
even
client.
D
C
C
The
interview
are
you
just
saying
that
maybe
have
it
recorded
somehow
and
put
it
up
on
youtube
afterwards,
like
I
mean
if
it's
live
streamed
that
gives
the
ability
for
people
on
youtube
or
some,
whichever
platform
to
ask
questions
also,
I
suppose
I
think
I
might
have
the
skill
set
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
I
don't
know
the
ips
very
well,
though,
so
I'd
probably
be
relying
on
someone
like
brent
who's,
pretty
up
to
date
with
the
ips
in
terms
of
figuring
out.
C
Maybe
what
the
new
eips
are
maybe
contacting
authors,
even
if
you'd
be
willing
to
do
that,
and
but
I
mean
if
that
is
worked
out.
If
an
author,
like
gets
in
touch
with
me.
Theoretically,
I
could
try
and
arrange
an
interview,
and
at
least
experiment
with
the
with
the
idea
see
if
we
have
a
way
of
making
it
work
or
if
we
have
a
way
of
making
it
useful.
B
A
good
candidate
for
someone
to
reach
out
to
if
you've
read
the
article
from
hassu
and
georgios
look
at
that,
one,
that
one's
very
well
written
I've
been
told.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
it
myself,
but
besides
dan
finlay,
the
only
other
major
article
that
got
a
lot
of
attention
on
1559
was
the
hasson
georgios
one.
D
So
yeah
I
mean
the
1559
is
just
an
example
in
my
mind,
but
if,
if
we
think
that
we
would
want
to
start
this,
we
may
have
to
have
a
list
of
that.
We
can
think
of.
You
know
all
those
potential
eips
and
we
can
start
from
the
eips
that
are
being
considered
for
berlin,
so
I
mean
like
because
that
is
going
to
be
in
the
upgrade.
Whenever
berlin
is
going
to
be,
you
know
happening,
so
we
can
start
with
the
eips
which
are
already
into
accepted
state
of
berlin.
D
We
may
probably
want
to
reach
out
to
the
authors,
although
that
is
there,
they
have
already
reached
to
the
accepted
state,
so
we
are
assuming
that
it
is
accepted
by
the
community
by
the
jabs
by
the
client,
that's
and
everybody
else,
but
it
would
also
be
a
good
starting
of
similar
rising
that
he
eat
with
the
community.
I
mean
like
earlier.
We
were
discussing
about
writing
about
it,
but
I
think,
coming
up
directly
from
the
author
of
deep
or
the
champion
of
the
y
would
add
more
value.
H
H
So
one
of
the
things
that's
like
good
with
all
core
dev
is
like.
Yes,
the
conversation
is
usually
short
but,
like
you
know
a
lot
of
people
kind
of
follow
these
calls
and-
and
they
tend
to
be,
like
yeah,
pretty
broad
reaching
and
then
even
though
not
a
lot
gets
discussed
on
our
core
devs.
H
Most
of
the
conversations
then
happens
async
afterwards,
I
yeah
I
I
just
don't
know
how
you
yeah,
how
you
make
sure
that,
like
for
the
author,
it's
not
you
know
just
reaching
out
to
like
three
people
and
how
do
you
make
sure
that,
like
it's
actually
worth
their
time,
even
more?
So
if
you
want
to
involve
like
client
developers
like
if
I
take
it
like
like,
I
don't
know
from
our
perspective
that
basically,
the
last
thing
you
want
is
like
for
an
engineer
to
sit
on
a
one-hour
call.
H
That's
like
they
could
have
just
read
the
thread
in
five
minutes
async,
so
just
like
yeah
really
thinking
about
like
who's.
The
audience
of
this
is
it
about
like
the
core
devs
in
the
more
technical
aspect.
H
Is
it
about
just
like
the
more
general
community
and
if
it
is
for,
like
the
more
general
community,
how
do
you
make
sure
that,
like
you
reach
most
of
them,
yeah
and
and
because
because
otherwise
it
just
feels
like
it,
it
might
not
be
worth
the
time
of
the
champions
if,
if
it's
just
like
a
one-off
thing,
that
that
reaches
very
few
people,
so.
G
G
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
give
one
point
two
points
actually.
First
off,
I
think
william
would
be
a
really
good
interview
host
he
volunteered
and
I
think
that
would
be.
I
think
I
think
william
would
be
really
good
with
that
and
then
also
based
off
what
tim
was
saying.
A
I
think,
in
my
opinion,
a
straight
up
interview
or
even
podcast
format
with
just
even
you
know
say
william
and
the
host,
maybe
some
other
guests
or
whatever,
but
a
very
controlled
sort
of
setting
where
they
can
present
their
information
and
then
for
for
the
general
community
would
be
much
more.
I
guess
consumable
than
say
one
of
these
types
of
you
know
ech
meetings,
because
no
because
nobody
watches
these
right
and
that's
understandable,
because
they're
kind
of
they're,
you
know
they're
free
form
and
just
generally
not
very
engaging.
A
But
if
you
were
to
do
an
interview,
format
or
a
podcast
format,
I
think
a
lot
of
information
would
we
get
assuming
that
our
target
audience
is
the
general
population,
but
also
we
have
four
minutes
left.
So
just
a
heads
up
that
the
meeting
is
almost
over.
H
One
final
thing
I
think,
to
make
these
like
conversations
really
valuable,
is
gathering
spending
all
the
time
gathering
all
the
questions
from
the
community.
So
I
think
that
can
be
something
that's
valuable.
It's
like,
if
you
know
william
or
the
catholics
in
general,
just
like
spend
a
bunch
of
time
finding
like
the
10,
15
questions
that
people
have
about
this
heap
and
and
and
answering
all
those
just
once.
I
think
that
that
can
help
a
lot.
C
Maybe
it's
just
an
action
item.
Maybe
out
of
like
you
know,
out
of
band,
maybe
tim
I'll,
try
and
be
in
touch
with
you
and
brent.
Would
you
be
available
to
help
with
this.
F
F
Also,
I
just
got
support
at
ethereumcathers.com
working
pooja.
You
should
have
received
an
email
from
that,
so
the
admin
panel
is
still
bugging
me
because
we
have
to
get
spf
verification
set
up
so
I'll
have
to
reach
out
to
charles
and
have
him
set
up
a
new
text
record
for
that,
but
but
yeah
it's
working
now.
So.
D
Yeah,
I
would
just
quickly
like
to
come
back
to
one
of
the
tim's
point
like
I.
I
really
understand
your
concern
about
like
making
it
work,
so
the
idea
of
having
this,
maybe
alita
has
put
it
in
the
right
for
a
word
like
podcast
style.
The
idea
of
having
this
kind
of
series
is
like
to
get
information
before
it
reaches
to
the
all-core
dev,
so
it
would
be
in
detail
format
say,
for
example,
we
are
considering
any
new
eve.
D
That
is,
that
is
just
there
there
in
a
pr,
and
people
have
to
go
on
the
all
core
dev
to
explain
what
it
is
all
about.
So
before
that,
if
we
can
have
this
author
on
our
channel
and
talk
about
the,
if
they
describe
everything
else,
then
whenever
we
are
ready
with
this-
and
we
want
to
make
it
one
week
before
the
all-core
dev
call
so
that
we
can
share
it
with
the
devs
beforehand.
D
And
then,
when
the
discussion
starts
in
the
all
core
dev,
it
would
be
after
answering
getting
the
answer
to
the
first
few
questions
that
he
already
have
done
in
the
podcast
before
so
that
way
it
will
save
some
time
and
the
audiences
will
be
like
getting
information
recorded
somewhere
too,
and
I
think
that
would
save
some
of
the
alcohol
death
time
and
we
would
be
able
to
add
more
and
more
if
the
reason
I'm
mentioning
this,
because
this
calls
happens
once
in
two
weeks.
D
So,
for
example,
if
one
eat
gets
10
minutes
time
and
it
takes
for
all
core
dev
time
to
for
all
kind
of
meetings
to
just
make
people
understand
it's
almost
two
months
delayed
right.
So
if
we
can
just
kind
of
expedite
this
informa
information
providing
services
and
help
to
get
these
eaves
move
faster,
that
is
the
idea
of
having
this
series.
D
D
A
Okay,
does
anybody
else
have
any
comments,
specifically
in
response
to
puja.
B
No,
I
think,
that's
a
great
plan.
Let
me
know
how
I
can
help
and
limited
way.
B
My
time
is
somewhat
limited
right
now,
but
I
definitely
want
to
get
up
keep
up
to
date
and
I
got
to
go
in
a
minute
just
personally,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
real
quick
for
an
update
on
the
sending
out,
bounties
or
not
values
like
the
note-taking
payments,
I'm
doing
that
when
gas
prices
are
low,
so
it's
kind
of
staggered,
but
I
already
said
edson's
out
and
I'm
going
to
send
pujas
out
soon
too.
C
A
little
bit
okay,
so
hudson
jay
and
myself
are
working
on
an
emergency
comms
document.
The
goal,
I
believe,
is
that
hudson,
I
think
you
mentioned
that
the
eth2
groups
are
sort
of
concurrently
coming
up
with
similar
idea.
So
I
believe
the
general
plan
is
at
some
point
to
try
and
merge
the
two
ideas
together.
B
I
would
I
don't
know
what
they're
I'm
not
in
the
east
2
team.
So
I
said
I
like,
I
would
imagine
they're
coming
up
with
something.
So
I
know
that
eth1
has
kind
of
had
a
loose
plan
for
a
bit,
and
so
we
can
merge
it
with
the
eth1
folks
first
and
then
see
if
each
two
is
doing
anything
and
communicate
with
them.
So
regardless,
let's
just
communicate
with
eth1
and
eth2
about
it,
but
we're
we're
not
sure
how
far
along
they
are.
C
A
Okay,
so
it
is
time
it
we
are.
We
are
at
time.
So,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
coming
today.
I
guess
we'll
the
points
that
we
didn't
hit
will
push
over
the
next
week
or
in
two
weeks.
The
next
meeting
is,
let
me
quickly
check
this,
the
18th
of
august,
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
there.