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From YouTube: Ethereum Cat Herders Meeting #20 [2019/09/24]
A
Okay,
so
welcome
to
meeting
number
20.
How
are
we
recording
you?
Yes,
we
are
great
okay,
so
first
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
heart
for
coordination,
update,
so
I,
don't
think,
there's
many
updates
from
the
last
chord
EBSCO,
rather
than
just
you
know,
Istanbul
going
forward.
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
probably
the
blog
post
we've
all
been
looking
at,
so
it
might
be
worth
just
like
taking
a
couple
minutes
that
talked
through
there
like
more
the
bits
that
had
a
bit
more
longer
common
threads
on
it.
Does
it
make
sense.
B
A
So
I'll
share
the
dock
here
in
the
in
the
comments,
we
can
kind
of
taste
that
into
the
notes
and
I'll
kind
of
walk
through
the
comments
on
the
side
of
the
the
post,
and
we
could
hopefully
get
like
quick
resolution
on
some
or
at
least
action
items.
So
starting
from
the
top
I
had
a
comment
on
the
title.
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
a
bit
clearer
that
this
was
about
the
test
nets
and
not
the
main
net
force
directly
in
the
title.
Does
anyone
have
to
disagree
with
that
or
have
another
suggestion.
A
B
Okay,
fair
enough
I
mean
I,
agree,
I
mean
I,
looked
at
the
time
frames
and
so
on.
It
looks
like
the
last
testing
it's
getting
came
through
in
December,
so
it
probably
means
mainly
Walker's,
probably
gonna,
be
in
January
at
the
earliest.
So
yeah,
that's
three
months.
Man,
so
I
agree
with
you.
If
we
can
say
the
specific
test
net
I
think
we
should
be
good,
because
in
three
months
people
have
forgotten
that
lesson.
Buddy
Istanbul's
come
on
yeah.
A
A
A
A
Okay-
and
this
was
kind
of
the
biggest
bit
so
I-
see
William
you
kind
of
did
a
lot
of
edits
in
the
core
paragraph.
It
seems
like
you
kind
of,
took
some
of
this
stuff
pooja
pooja,
like
added
a
big
section
at
the
end,
and
it
seems
like
William,
you
kind
of
work
this
into
the
the
existing
paragraph.
I.
Don't
know
that
you
have
you
have
any
comments
there
about
where
we,
what
we
want
to
add,
remove,
keep.
C
I
was
just
trying
to
give
clarity
here
on
what
is
network
upgrade
and
hi.
Basically,
both
are
same
and
like
at.
Sometimes
it
is
called
as
hard,
not
all
the
time.
This
time
we
are
going
with
network
upgrade
and
until
and
unless
we
are
getting
another
chain,
it's
getting
for
wish
did
not
actually
call
it
as
a
heartful,
and
that
was
I
was
trying
to
explain
in
those
paragraphs.
So
so
that's
it.
I
mean,
like
I,
took
something
from
the
main
paragraph
which
you
have
mentioned
above
whatever
I
have
written
and
something
from
the
below.
C
C
A
C
A
B
A
B
A
A
H
What
you
were
asking,
though,
you're
asking
if
I
could
hear
what
happened
before
yeah
I
could
hear
you
guys
I'm
fine
with
everything
you've
said
so
far,
I
mean
I
like
cruises
paragraphs,
and
you
are
alright,
that
my
whole
intent
there
had
just
to
try
was
to
try
and
bring
the
heart
for
definition
of
that
up,
maybe
just
to
simplify
and
streamline
things
and
to
give
us
the
ability
to
make
things
more
concise,
but
I
mean
yeah.
Full
agreement
with
everything
said.
H
H
There
was
just
the
finding
hard
fort,
because
it's
a
well-recognized
phrase
so
I
figured
putting
that
around
where
the
first
time
hard
fort
was
mentioned
would
make
for
better
readability
and
that
way
also,
if
we
wanted
to
free
up
those
few
paragraphs
there
to
keep
it
more
concise,
I
thought,
like
you
know
at
least
that
piece
of
information
would
still
be
saved,
but
I
mean
I'm
really
open
to
everybody
else's
suggestions.
I
just
wanted
to
give
the
ability
to
like
try
and
go
in
that
direction.
H
C
One
point
I
was
thinking
here
is,
like
you
know
the
question
that
we
keep
on
asking
again
and
again
do
we
get
a
coin,
so
that
is
actually
not
being
answered.
So,
if
could
add
a
line
about
that
like
in
in
that,
in
definition
of
the
hard
work
I
was
trying
to
mention
that
sometime
infinity
of
currency
native
token,
holder
may
also
receive
equivalent
of
amount
only
in
case
of
harmful,
not
in
the
case
of
upgrade.
C
A
I
think
the
whole
reason
that
the
etherium
foundation
wanted
to
start
calling
them
network
upgrades
instead
of
hard
Forks
is
to
not
have
that
discussion
around
it
Shane
potentially
splitting
my
personal
opinion
is.
We
should
like
not
reference
that
anywhere,
because
it
kind
of
hints
at
the
possibility
of
a
network
split,
which
is
definitely
not
something
we
want
and
I,
also
think
that,
because
this
is
the
test
net
only
Forks
like
that's.
It's
not
even
a
possibility
right
like
there's,
no
actually
another,
so
I.
H
H
So
I
mean
usually
when
people
uses
and
they
say
it's
hard
for
kings,
so
a
lot
of
times
they
do
I
think
colloquially
mean
that
there
are
people
who
are
still
mining
the
original
chain,
but
I
think
that
putting
in
sort
of
the
more
technical
definition
just
sort
of
site
skirts.
All
of
that
by
just
saying
like
the
definition
is
there
are
things
that
aren't
backwards,
incompatible
and
I.
Guess,
if
you're
technically
savvy
enough
you'll
figure
out,
that
means
that
someone
could
theoretically
break
Jane
yeah
yeah.
D
A
With
putting
the
definition
I
think
it's
good
I
just
yet
we
don't
want
the
light.
I
smite
pinion
again
I
just
I'm,
very
cautious
about
creating
the
perception
that
there
might
be
a
separate
chain.
That's
well
yeah,
especially
like,
because
of
all
the
profile
discussions
right
now,
even
though
it's
a
separate
fork
like
I,
think
we
should
try
to
keep
it
focused.
A
A
Okay,
so
now
what
is
assembled
no
comments
there?
Oh
okay!
So
William
you
had
another
comment
around
like.
Should
we
just
have
one
major
subjection?
What
should
I
do
and
then
kind
of
subsections
to
that,
like
as
an
ether
holder
or
as
like
someone
with
a
contract
or
or
as
like
a
note
operator,
I
think.
H
A
H
C
A
C
A
A
A
C
A
A
B
I
Yeah
I
pinged,
Kevin,
I'll
walkie
we've
got
questions
out
to
him
and
last
we
heard
from
Kevin
he
was
going
to
do
a
dump
and
try
and
look
into
that
discrepancy
in
in
I.
Haven't
heard
back
from
him
yet
I
pinged
him
earlier
this
morning.
I
should
have
pinged
him
a
day
or
two
ago
just
to
get
him
back
on
track
with
that,
but
but
basically,
what
we'll
need
to
carry
this
over
the
nest.
Next
meeting,
I
guess
and
I'll
try
and
harp
on
him
mark
trying
to
get
that
resolved.
I
A
F
I
A
A
C
Yeah,
probably
from
now
onwards,
we
would
be
like
keeping
an
accounting
of
work
from
here
onwards
and
we
would
not
be
adding
any
other
funding
like
if
we
take
up
any
other
job
just
like
we
did
it
in
proper
case.
If
we
take
up
anything
else,
then
we
have
to
have
separate
multiset
for
that
particular
activity
that
might
help
I
hope.
D
A
C
There
is
one
issue
which
was
like
funding
for
its
two
new
taking
nineteen,
which
means
long
back,
and
it
was
just
kind
of
slip
that
it
was
neither
considered
a
part
of
a
CH
at
that
point
of
time.
Nor
did
not
the
part
of
two
so
like
that
were
suggesting,
and
Hudson
also
agree
to
that
that
it
could
be
funded
by
EC
H.
For
this
time
and
from
like
writing.
After
twenty
eight
onwards,
it
is
being
taken
care
by
at
2.0.
B
If
to
I
have
not
said
that
they're
not
going
to
fund
them,
it's
just
better
case
off
I
think
Danny's
have
been
run
off
his
feet
and
he's
trying
to
coordinate
with
get
coin,
to
basically
make
sure
that
those
funds
get
released.
Unfortunately,
the
process
is
just
wearing
him
a
little
thin
but
I
believe,
as
preacher
said,
that
everything
will
be
funded
through
that
process
going
forward.
B
In
the
case
of
number
nineteen,
it
is
unfortunately,
one
of
those
ones
that
slip
between
the
cracks
of
the
way
it
was
running
the
old
way
and
to
the
why
it's
being
run
now
and
I've
reached
out
to
Danny.
Unfortunately,
I've
not
heard
anything
back
with
regards
to
that,
so
I
can
only
assume
that
it
probably
will
not
be
covered
and
therefore
I
recommend
that
we
just
simply
get
the
e
CH
to
further
and
and
move
on.
C
A
A
A
So
this
is
all
pretty
complicated,
I'm
happy
to
look
into
it,
but
I'm,
actually
not
a
member
of
the
multi
SIG's.
So
if
anyone
like,
if
I,
can
be
added
as
a
member
of
the
vault,
you
saying
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
dig
into
this
and
and
obviously
you
know
figure
out
how
we
can
get
the
funds
at
our
multi-sig.
A
E
E
A
A
B
H
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
carriers,
but
whoever
does
end
up
working
with
like
trying
to
get
the
funding
out
of
moloch
might
want
to
try
and
block
the
process
just
for
the
mullet
community.
Just
so
there's
resources
out
there
about
what
the
experience
is
like
getting
a
grant
from
Pollock
and
then
trying
to
use
the
funds.
That's
a
great.
G
G
C
J
J
J
C
Am
okay
not
being
included
at
this
point
of
time,
because,
as
Brett
mentioned,
that
we
are
part
of
notetaking
team,
so
if
it
may
can
create
a
conflict
of
interest
and
I
would
better
try
to
refrain
myself
being
there,
but
if
it
does
not,
then
I'm
okay
I
mean
I'm
okay
to
be
added:
I'm:
okay,
no
I!
Don't
it.
J
A
A
H
B
A
lot
really
more
to
be
said
about
that
at
this
stage,
apart
from
the
fact
that
which
approaches
start
using
the
ETH
down
to
start
making
decisions
rather
than
the
chance,
but
already
starting
to
do
that
with
your
decision
to
put
the
votes
up
or
adding
you
into
the
multi
safety
term,
so
I
think
we
continue
with
that.
For
the
time
being,.
A
H
I
Not
necessarily
sure,
if,
if
it's
an
action
but
a
lot
of
the
core,
devs
always
ask
when
people
ask
them
that
they
want
changes
or
something
the
core.
Devs
always
tell
them.
Well
big,
build
consensus,
and
because,
if
you're,
the
only
one
saying
it,
no
one's
gonna
believe
you,
but
if
someone's
making
a
claim
and
saying
we
should
do
something
or
change
something
it
needs
to
be
more
than
just
one
person.
They
need
to
build
consensus
and
prove
demonstrate
how
many
people
are
on
that
and,
of
course,
canonize
are
set
up
to
do
that.
I
And
if
anyone
hears
someone
saying
we
should
make
a
change
every
day
should
be
told
to
build
consensus
and
and
canonize
errs
there
to
help
anyone
build
consensus
that
wants
to
because
we're
offering
our
services
for
free.
So
if
anyone
is
making
a
claim,
they
should
contact
canonize
err
and
we
can
help
them
create
a
camp
and
help
them
demonstrate
a
proven
consensus
and
and
we're
in
the
process
of
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
longer
I'll
take
him.
But
we're
working
on
a
can.
I
Our
ether
canonize
err
algorithm,
so
people
will
be
able
to
vote
their
ether
and
stuff
like
that.
But
anyway,
just
that's
one.
Possibility
that
we're
hoping
if
loud
people
are
making
a
lot
of
noise
we
should
tell
them,
will
canonize
it.
So
we
can
see
if
you're
more
than,
if
there's
more
than
just
you
that's
worried
about
this,
because
some
people
are
making
claims.
If
we
go
forward
with
prog
pal
there'll
be
a
fork.
I
Some
people
are
claiming
if
we
don't
go
forward,
propel
there'll
be
a
fork,
but
again
all
of
those
people
making
those
claims
should,
if
that's
the
case,
then
they
ought
to
be
able
to
get
a
lot
of
people
to
sign
a
camp
in
canonize,
ER
and
say
yes.
I
am
really
upset
about
this
and
I
want
this
to
change,
and
this
is
why
I
want
to
change,
and
it's
also
all
around
falsify
abilities
so
trying
to
get
people
to
describe
what
it
would
be
to
get
you.
H
I
Yeah,
definitely,
it's
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
loud
people
out
there
talking
but
I
think
they're
the
only
one
people,
because,
if
a
consent,
if
there
was
really
a
lot
of
people
that
wanted
to
do
this,
they'd
be
willing
to
create
a
petition
camp
on
canonize
when
everyone
join
and
sign
that
petition.
So
we
could
see
that
if
it's
more
than
a
lot
of
people
but
yeah.
J
Think
it
makes
sense
to
just
let
it
be
for
the
moment,
especially
since
it's
so
contentious-
and
you
know
anything-
you
say
about
profile-
it's
gonna,
you
know
make
people
I,
don't
know
Express
what
they
think
and
I
think
it's
the
debate.
It's
it's
getting
way
healthier
than
it
was
like
a
few
months
ago.
So
that's
why
I
think
it's
good
to
just
let
it
be
the
way
it
is
yeah.
J
A
H
Having
cat
herders
by
the
magician's
rings,
it's
a
very
good
idea.
Just
I
mean
I
think
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Even
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
not
gonna,
be
there.
Unfortunately,
if
there,
if
there
is
the
opportunity
for
anyone
from
the
characters
to
attend
the
magician's
rings,
I
think
would
be
a
great
idea.
I.
B
I'm,
not
just
a
quick
one:
we've
added
a
couple
new
people
to
do
they're
not
taking
Epson,
has
joined
us
and
also
have
a
new
person.
That's
gonna,
be
coming
through
moving
in
today
in
a
cold
session
and
basically
trying
to
grow.
The
number
of
note
takers
to
micro,
be
here
for
the
tickets
that
currently
exist.
So
we
can
have
a
couple
weeks
of
roughing
tech
nights
every
second
week.
So,
every
week,
great.
C
Last
time
like
we
are
doing
their
interest
like
letting
them
know
like.
We
are
moving
towards
tears
and
you
need
to
upgrade
to
this
test.
So
we
can
come
up
with
the
ligament
and,
of
course
the
list
is
available,
but
it
is
harder
with
us,
but
they
might
want
to
think
to
contact
them
not
immediately,
but
maybe
after
sometime
I.
C
A
B
Of
the
things
that
we're
very
conscious
off
with
the
upgrade
to
the
test,
it
is
previously
when
we
upgraded
the
tips
knits,
we
were
engaging
the
minors
of
the
test.
Nate,
so
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
different
for
quarterly,
but
the
others
will
have
one
or
two
minutes,
and
we
just
didn't
bother
to
tell
anyone
and
as
a
results,
but
logistics
never
upgraded.
B
It
might
be
something
that
we
just
need
to
remind
another
core
dates
or
we
ourselves
need
to
engage
with
the
various
monitors
or
the
taste
nets
to
ensure
that
they
are
actually
fully
aware
of
it,
not
just
by
the
median
pasta,
we're
gonna
put
out,
but
actually
engaging
indirectly
and
saying
it's
gonna,
be
at
this
day.
At
this
time,
please
enjoy
that
you're
upgrading
your
yeah.
B
H
Maybe
it's
worth
it
to
try
and
actually
get
some
documentation,
like
maybe
actually
collect
a
list
of
tests.
Net
operators
like
people
are
running
Testament
mining
rigs.
I
mean
we
have
that
four
main
net
like
at
least
major
I,
I,
guess
what
I'm
thinking
of
is,
there's
sort
of
the
stakeholders
document
that
charts
a
lot
of
the
nature
of
miners
on
main
net.
It
might
be
useful
to
have
such
a
document
for
testing.
B
B
The
issue
that
is
a
little
Tom
honors
on
Mockbee
application
developers
and
they'll,
run
a
minor
for
short
on
two
and
a
bit
of
testing
it
eighth
and
then
shut
down
their
mining
rig
and
others
just
might
be
running
its
randomly.
So
it
becomes
tough
to
pinpoint
exactly
who's
is
running.
A
mining
rig
well.
H
A
So
we
coordinated
with
Gourley
Gordy's,
the
only
one
well
I
mean
and
Robson
and
rinkeby
through
the
core
devs,
so
I
think
there
was
some
coordination
and
just
selling
the
block
numbers
I.
Think
it
probably
makes
sense
to
just
try
and
like
have
reminders
to
the
core
devs
and
make
sure
that
the
I
feel
like
the
way
to
maybe
go
about.
It
is
just
reach
out
than
the
Cortes
Gator
and
ask
you
know
if
every
as
the
fork
for
every
test
net
approaches
is
theirs
every.
A
H
A
I
A
I
A
Ok,
yeah
just
to
come
back
to
this
action
item
print
will
will
stock
Hudson
at
DEFCON
2
to
make
that
happen,
and
the
next
bit
is
the
meeting
during
DEFCON.
So
I
don't
think
it's
realistic
to
have
one
there.
Okay,
so
next
meeting
under
15
that
makes
sense
and
final
action
item
was
Brandt's.
Canonize,
er
topic,
I.
Think
red.
You
discussed
this
already,
so
it
seems
like
yep.
I
Done
yep
done
and
just
just
a
comment
to
let
everyone
know
that
there's
a
constant
running
survey
at
canonize
err,
it's
a
real
time,
constant
survey.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
do
a
survey
or
anything,
they
can
just
point
them
at
canonize
er
and
say
it's
a
real-time.
Anyone
can
start
and
run
a
survey
anytime.
They
want.
D
C
E
I
Question
on
thumb,
removing
the
bottleneck,
I
need
to
know
who
is
responsible
for
there's
the
three
different
types
of
fundings
as
the
cat
herder
note-taking,
one
that
X
funding,
note-taking
and
2
dot.
X,
note-taking
and
I
know
that
Lane
reading
is
one
of
the
people
responsible
for
not
X
note
taking
funding,
who
are
the
people
on
the
1
dot,
X
5.
I
I
I
G
C
I'm
not
sure
I
was
just
thinking
that
we
need
to
check
with
it
to
teen,
like
I,
have
been
seeing
a
lot
of
people
sending
notes
over
there,
for
you
know
immediately,
and
that
was
not
completely
formatted,
but
that
is
there
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
know
how
they
are
planning
to
handle
this
thing
where
they
really
wanted
from
EC
H
or
not
or
if
they
do
not
have
fun,
namely
just
like
we
get
it
from
knowledge
for
at
one.
Do
it
do
they
want
it
for
x2
as
well?