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From YouTube: Keynote Presentation: The Global Carbon Reward - Delton Chen, PhD - MontaƱa (Main Stage)
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Keynote Presentation: The Global Carbon Reward presented by Delton Chen, PhD at Sustainable Blockchain Summit LATAM 2022 - https://sbs.tech/
A
A
I'm
just
going
to
point
out
something
that
you
may
already
know,
and
that
is
the
climate
crisis-
is
a
wicked
problem.
It
has
many
dimensions,
of
course,
there's
degrowth
carrying
capacity
collapse,
planetary
boundaries,
carbon
credits,
Etc,
it's
disorientating,
but
I
always
believed
when
I
started
this
project
that
we
needed
scalable
climate
Finance.
A
A
A
We
know
from
various
studies
that
we're
missing
at
least
three
trillion
dollars
per
year
over
the
next
few
decades.
Maybe
more
depends
how
you
want
to
calculate
it,
and
we
need
that
money
for
clean,
renewable
energy
infrastructure,
conventional
mitigation
and
important
is
the
timing,
because
if
we
don't
build
the
new
infrastructure,
if
we
don't
avoid
mining
the
fossil
fuels,
we
end
up
with
carbon
lock-in
and
that
locks
us
into
a
dirty
future.
That's
the
problem!
A
There
are
other
problems
here
too.
It's
not
just
about
carbon,
it's
about
where
the
carbon
goes.
So
we
have
to
be
aware.
The
biodiversity
and
putting
carbon
in
the
right
places
is
part
of
the
problem
or
the
challenge.
We
now
know
from
various
studies
that
we
have
to
remove
carbon
from
the
atmosphere.
A
It's
necessary
an
optimistic
scenario
is
that
we
would
need
about
one
trillion
dollars
per
year
for
carbon
removal,
and
also
carbon
removal
is
Complicated
by
biodiversity
and
carbon
farming
and
so
on,
I'm
sure
you're.
All
aware,
with
of
those
issues
laughs,
many
of
you
probably
have
heard
of
Ministry
for
the
future.
It's
it's
been
a
great
advertising
medium
for
our
policy,
Kim
Stanley
Robinson,
who
wrote
the
novel.
He
got
the
idea
from
some
papers,
I
published
with
my
colleagues
and
these
papers
introduced
the
policy
Concepts.
A
A
We
need-
or
this
policy
is
unique,
because
it
also
offers
100
funding
for
carbon
removal.
That's
important,
because
carbon
removal
is
not
only
expensive.
It
generally
requires
energy
as
an
input
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
produce
goods
and
services
that
can
be
sold,
and
what
that
means
is
that
the
funding
probably
cannot
be
managed
with
loans.
So
you
need
grant
funding
and
this
policy
provides
proportional
grants.
A
A
It's
also
a
policy.
That's
based
on
New
Market
Theory
I
always
wanted
to
develop
a
policy
that
could
be
understood
and
connected
with
standard
economic
theory.
So
it
took
me
actually
eight
years
to
get
to
this
point.
That's
a
long
time.
Isn't
it
to
develop
a
policy,
but
the
reason
it
took
so
long
is
because
I
needed
the
justifications,
so
the
justifications
have
to
be
understood
by
economists
in
terms
of
their
conceptual
models
and
their
existing
theories,
as
it
turns
out.
The
theory
for
this
policy
is
is
framed
by
risk
management.
A
Okay,
carbon
pricing
Matrix:
this
is
the
Theory.
Actually
it's
presented
in
this
relational
diagram.
A
lot
of
the
details
are
missing
here,
because
I
didn't
want
to
overwhelm
you
with
too
much
technical
stuff,
but
basically
our
carbon
pricing,
Matrix
It
identifies
the
four
major
policies
for
pricing
carbon
through
governmental
policy.
So
we
know
about
taxes,
you've
all
heard
of
cap
and
trade.
You
know,
Carbon
subsidies,
like
maybe
Q45
or
whatever
the
carbon
reward
is
new
and
textbooks
do
not
actually
present
policies.
This
way
they
don't
have
a
matrix.
A
A
This
gentleman
here,
Arthur
begu.
He
developed
the
theory
for
externalities
that
economists
refer
to.
You
may
have
heard
of
pagovian
taxes
and
subsidies.
That's
what
we're
looking
at.
He
formalized
the
idea
of
externalities
negative
positive
externalities,
so
our
Rose
represent
positive
externalities
and
then
negative
externalities.
So
the
top
row
positive
pricing
bottom
row.
Negative
pricing-
this
fellow
here
Ronald
Coast,
he's
Economist,
who
came
up
with
this
theory
about
private
trading
to
internalize
externality
and
that
helps
to
explain
cap
and
trade.
A
So
we're
utilizing
this
guy's
Theory
to
help
justify
this
approach
to
pay
for
the
mitigation-
and
this
is
really
important,
because
if
this
is
correct
and
if
it
can
be
sort
of
proven,
then
we're
changing
the
fundamentals
of
standard
Theory
and
we
have
a
new
conceptual
model
for
the
market.
Failure
now
not
shown
on
the
diagram
is
more
detail,
and
that
is
the
tax
is
used
to
achieve
efficient
markets.
That's
the
concept,
cost
First
benefit.
This
is
to
achieve
safety.
It's
a
risk
management
objective.
Call
it
a
guard,
rail
safety
and
that's
formalized.
A
We
don't
intend
to
create
a
carbon
currency
at
this
stage
because
that's
a
little
bit
tricky,
but
we
can
talk
about
that
later.
If
you
go
to
our
landing
page,
you
can
download
the
concept
paper.
It
gives
a
good
summary
of
what's
going
on.
This
is
coming
out
soon.
This
will
have
the
details,
the
concepts
it's
about,
40
to
50
pages,
with
an
appendix
explaining
the
concepts
of
the
theory.
A
Okay,
back
to
the
policy,
the
car,
the
carbon
currency,
is
in
the
instrument,
and
so
we
need
to
understand
its
unit
of
account.
It's
simply
a
ton
of
CO2
mitigated
for
100
Year
duration.
This
is
important
because,
obviously
global
warming,
potential
of
gases
and
so
on.
Technically
it's
a
representative
currency.
It
will
be
an
international
token
tradable
in
the
Forex,
and
thus
it
will
have
its
own
ISO
code,
which
could
be
xcc.
There
are
analogs,
there's
xau
for
gold
and
so
on
important.
Is
that
it's
not
a
medium
of
Exchange.
A
It's
not
the
purpose
of
the
currency.
It's
there
as
a
price
signal
and
as
an
asset.
Also,
it's
not
a
carbon
credit,
there's
no
offsetting
in
the
policy
and
that's
incredibly
important,
because
by
fully
funding
the
policy
and
the
carbon
currency,
we
won't
need
offsetting,
and
then
we
can
de-risk
the
climate
problem.
It
doesn't
mean
that
offsetting
will
be
stopped.
It'll
continue!
It's
just
that
this
is
another
Market
here,
I'm,
just
explaining
technically
what
a
carbon
reward
actually
is.
So
the
reward
is
not
the
currency.
A
The
reward
is
the
exchange
rate,
so
the
reward
is
defined
in
terms
of
any
exchange
rate
currency
pair
with
XTC
as
the
base.
You
just
pick
your
quote
currency.
So
if
you're
using
Colombian,
pesos
use
that
look
up
the
exchange
rate-
and
it
will
tell
you
the
value
of
the
reward
in
pesos
in
this
example,
it's
US
dollars
per
ton
of
CO2.
A
A
I'm
going
to
explain
how
the
market
works
just
in
terms
of
Supply
demand,
we
need
an
institution
in
the
novel,
it's
the
ministry
for
the
future.
In
this
policy,
it's
called
the
carbon
exchange
Authority,
so
the
authority
has
control
over
the
policy,
the
standards
and
everything,
and
it
will
issue
the
digital
currency
to
awardees
the
businesses
that
are
mitigating.
A
I'll,
explain
why
they'll
buy
it.
Okay
at
this
point,
the
flow
is
that
when
there's
not
enough
demand
in
the
private
Market,
the
central
banks
they're
the
guarantors.
If
there's
not
enough
demand,
they
will
buy
the
carbon
currency
and
hold
it
on
their
balance
sheet,
as
they
do,
that
they're,
creating
more
Fiat
and
that
goes
into
circulation,
and
thus
we
do
get
monetary
inflation,
but
it's
not
as
bad
as
that
might
sound
at
first.
A
So
that's
the
basic
supply
of
demand
model
just
to
clarify
this
is
the
balance
sheet.
So
the
issue
is
the
carbon
exchange
Authority,
that's
our
ministry
for
the
future.
They
issue
the
currency
as
their
liability,
but
they
have
on
their
balance
sheets
service
level
agreements
as
an
asset.
These
are
long-term
100-year
agreements
that
contain
all
the
details
from
mrv
and
performance
obligations
and
so
on.
We
could
talk
about
that.
A
The
awardees
those
Agreements
are
their
liabilities
and
the
currency
is
their
asset.
By
analogy,
think
of
a
mortgage,
you've
got
a
mortgage
contract
and
a
Commercial
Bank
gives
money
in
a
similar
way.
On
the
demand
side.
I
mentioned
investors.
They
just
buy
it
as
an
asset.
Central
banks
they're
the
guarantor.
They
will
buy
it.
They
will
have
to
issue
new
money
in
this
case.
A
It's
the
Federal
Reserve,
obviously,
because
they're
issuing
US
dollars
the
method
of
producing
that
money
is
called
carbon
quantitative
easing
similar
to
QE,
but
here
the
central
banks
are
not
buying
Financial
assets,
they're
buying
our
currency,
which
transfers
purchasing
power
to
the
productive,
productive
sectors
of
the
economy,
which
is
good
for
jobs
and
the
environment.
So
this
is
I,
think
much
more
ethical
than
the
QE
that
we've
seen
since
the
global
financial
crisis.
A
A
The
point
here
is
that
this
black
thick
line
that's
going
to
be
calibrated
to
the
minimum
amount
of
carbon
removal
we
need.
Thus,
this
reward
price
is
actually
explicitly
pricing,
carbon
dioxide
removal
to
achieve
our
carbon
budget
for
one
and
a
half
or
two
degrees,
or
whatever
it
will
be
you'll
notice,
something
that
this
this
will
be
guaranteed.
It
will
be
communicated
over
the
long
term
with
floor
price
guidance.
A
A
Should
is
that
it's
based
on
three
major
rules,
one
for
clean
energy,
second,
for
cleaner
business,
the
third
for
carbon
removal,
this
one's
relatively
easy
to
understand
because
I
just
explained
it.
Actually,
it's
an
explicit
price
based
on
what's
expected,
as
the
cost
per
ton
into
the
long
term
rules.
One
and
two
are
more
complex,
and
this
is
because
we
have
the
problem
of
baselines.
A
The
Baseline
here
is
essentially
zero,
but,
as
you
know,
counterfactual
baselines
are
always
problematic
in
this
policy.
We
take
a
somewhat
different
approach
to
carbon
markets
today,
because
there's
no
carbon
offsetting,
so
it's
fully
funded,
therefore
we're
not
so
reliant
on
the
counterfactual
Baseline.
A
A
A
So
this
is
what
we
prescribe
to
do
the
computations
for
rewards,
but
we
can
also
offer
the
reward
through
reverse
auctions,
which
is
setting
a
quota
of
carbon
or
carbon
currency.
We
want
to
issue
in
a
year
and
we
ask
the
marketplace
to
apply,
and
then
then
we
can
issue
it
or
when
there's
a
smaller
number
of
very
large
actors,
like
governments
or
major
energy
corporations,
we
could
simply
go
into
negotiations.
A
A
In
summary,
we
have
the
three
rules,
the
first
platform
of
explain
those
rules.
A
We
also
have
three
more
rules
for
co-benefits,
so
we
can
create
a
secondary
price
signal
to
incentivize,
more
reliable
energy
suppliers,
Community
well-being
and
ecosystem
Health.
These
platforms
for
these
co-benefits.
This
is
where
blockchains
can
really
or
blockchain
tight
Technologies
can
be
utilized,
because
these
will
be
very
decentralized.
This.
A
These
rules
need
a
platform
too,
and
that
will
require
administrative
systems
for
pulling
in
third-party
assessors
long-term
data
security,
I
think
content
addressing
would
be
very,
very
good
system,
given
that
we
have
long-term
100
Year
service
level
agreements,
smart
Administration
I
could
imagine
our
service
level
agreements
being
on
Smart
contracts
at
some
point
and
mrv.
A
lot
of
detail
there,
which
I'm
not
going
to
try
and
explain
here,
but
mrv,
can
be
adapted
depending
on
the
risks
involved
in
each
project,
so
more
rigorous
for
high-risk
projects,
less
rigorous
for
low-risk
Technologies.
A
There
is
centralization
as
well.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
like
centralization,
but
I
see.
We
need
a
balance.
The
carbon
exchange
standard,
the
xcc
floor,
price,
Authority
and
mandates.
That's
somewhat
centralized
or
very
centralized
here
is
the
real
opportunity,
I
think
for
blockchains,
not
so
much
in
the
monetary
world,
because
that's
taken
care
of
by
corporates
and
governments.
A
But
here
this
could
be
huge
where
we
create
a
decentralized
platform
for
these
stakeholder
groups
that
could
organize
or
self-organize
as
as
Dows
I
think
that
would
work
well,
but
we
need
to
identify
the
co-benefits
and
harms
that's
what
this
is
for.
Actually,
we
invite
the
stakeholders
to
identify
what's
important
in
terms
of
harms
and
co-benefits,
we
achieve
consensus
on
these
for
ranking,
and
then
we
use
the
ranking
to
score
the
projects.
Once
we've
scored
the
projects,
then
we
can
adjust
their
rewards
up
or
down.
A
A
Just
to
finish
my
presentation,
five
minutes,
I
thought
I'd
end
with
some
philosophy
around
this.
This
topic
of
growth
versus
degrowth
Now
growth
versus
degrowth
is
probably
one
of
the
most
important
and
topical
issues
in
sustainability,
Theory,
academic,
Theory
and
environmental
narratives,
because
we've
reached
a
point
in
human
history,
where
this
growth
narrative
isn't
really
working.
A
A
My
point
of
view
is
that
we
don't
really
have
explicit
policies
for
that
and
I
think
that
will
be
problematic.
My
argument
is
that
growth
versus
green
growth
is
a
false
dichotomy
and
I
put
forward
an
alternative
that
is
linked
to
the
carbon
cycle.
A
So
you've
seen
this
before
I'm
sure,
let's
go
back
to
the
carbon
cycle
and
think
about
how
nature
deals
with
growth
versus
degrowth,
even
if
it
does
at
all
so
photosynthesis
is
pulling
carbon
in
respiring
organisms,
animals,
exhales
CO2.
We
have
the
human
input,
factories
combustion
and
you
know
the
rest.
Carbon
goes
into
the
soil
and
over
a
long
term,
that's
the
slow
carbon
cycle.
A
If
we're
to
look
closely
at
ecosystems
and
organisms,
what
I
found
and
I
think
it's
definitely
true.
Respiring
organisms
and
cells
have
natural
carbon
lock-in.
They
cannot
reverse
their
chemistry
for
reasons
to
do
with
their
genetic
specialization,
so
cells,
animals,
like
our
cells,
we
respire.
We
can't
reverse
that
chemistry.
We
can't
absorb
CO2,
we
can't
further
synthesize,
so
we
are
locked
in
it's
a
natural
phenomenon
and
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
the
way
nature
achieves
Net
Zero
and
it
can
it
does
ecosystems.
A
Plants
can
achieve
NetZero
in
controlled
environments
or
in
the
natural
world.
It
does
that
through
two
metabolic
pathways,
photosynthesis
respiration
and
it
can
balance
out
under
certain
conditions.
A
It's
really
a
supply,
limited
system,
depending
on
what's
available
from
the
environment,
from
sunlight
and
so
on.
A
certain
amount
of
sugars
will
limit
respiration.
So
it's
a
self-limiting
system
with
carbon
locking
on
that
end
they
call
this
symbiosis
or
third
web.
A
What
I
claim
is
that
our
economy,
our
civilization,
has
a
similar
problem
that
we
have
carbon
lock
into.
However,
our
lock-in
is
biosocial,
it's
a
product
of
social
networks,
so
the
most
important
social
network.
Actually,
the
causes
lock,
in
my
opinion,
is
the
monetary
system,
so
the
monetary
system
forces
Market
actors
to
make
a
profit
because
they
have
to
pay
back
their
loans
with
interest,
and
it
sets
us
on
a
growth
trajectory.
A
Most
of
our
money
is
actually
debt
based.
So
in
my
opinion,
the
source
of
the
climate
risk
is
actually
emanating
from
this
carbon
lock-in,
which
societal
it
includes
the
monetary
system,
the
political
system,
legal
system,
education,
every
kind
of
social
system
that
you
can
think
of
which
is
cultural.
A
A
The
flow
of
energy
and
resources
comes
from
the
first
system
to
the
second
via
the
exchange
rate,
which
I
showed
in
the
earlier
graph,
and
this
is
how
we
circumvent
the
carbon
lock-in
effect
to
achieve
a
rapid,
exponential-like
social
economic
response
or
shift
away
from
dangerous
global
warming.
So,
in
the
diagram
I've
pointed
out,
this
system
is
defined
by
its
Fiat
currencies
this
by
the
carbon
currency,
and
this
model
is
actually
completely
different
to
the
model
that
academics
and
Scholars
are
using
because
they're
thinking
about
single
systems
for
d-growth.
This
is
not
degrowth.
A
This
is
more
like
symbiosis,
and
this
is
how
the
new
model
explains
the
negative
externalities,
the
positive
externalities,
and
how
to
achieve
carbon
neutrality.
A
So,
just
to
finish
answering
the
question
once
more:
do
we
need
to
degrow
the
economy
to
achieve
Net
Zero
carbon?
Should
we
put
our
trust
in
green
growth?
I
think
my
answer
is
this
is
my
advice?
You
don't
have
to
agree
with
me.
It's
it's
a
hypothesis,
but
my
argument
is:
we
need
optimal
growth
and
I
Define,
optimal
growth
as
two
economies,
coexisting
they're,
both
specialized
with
the
new
economy
specialized
for
greenhouse
gas
mitigation
and
the
relationship
is
symbiotic
based
on
the
carbon
currency
exchange
rates,
and
so
thank
you
very
much.