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B
We're
hoping
that
during
this
conversation,
that
as
a
manager
or
as
an
individual
contributor,
you'll
leave
this
conversation.
Feeling
like
you,
have
strategies
to
start
building
a
rest
ethic
for
yourself
and
also
to
enable
and
encourage
either
your
team
or
just
like
your
colleagues
and
coworkers,
to
build
a
rest
ethic
for
themselves
as
well
before
we
get
started
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
few
things.
B
I
really
encourage
you
to
close
out
other
tabs
if
you
can
and
take
this
opportunity
to
really
learn
from
john
and
be
as
present
as
you
can
a
few
things
in
the
document
I
wanted
to
point
out.
I
did
some
gathering
of
important
team
member
resources
that
I
think
are
relevant
when
we're
talking
about
mental
health
and
pay
time
off.
B
So
now
I
will
take
a
second
to
introduce
john.
So
john,
like
I
said,
is
joining
us
for
a
second
time
as
a
live
speaker.
He
joined
us
back
in
december
and
now
we
invited
him
back
again,
because
that
first
conversation
was
so
great.
He
is
the
author
of
time
off
a
practical
guide
to
building
your
rest
ethic
and
finding
success
without
the
stress
and
a
new
title
that
I
actually
haven't
read
but
sounds
really
interesting.
B
A
Yeah,
it's
really
awesome
to
to
start
my
day
early
this
morning
with
git
lab
and
in
my
day,
and
also
you
should
be
proud,
because
some
somewhat
in
the
middle
of
my
day,
I
was
doing
a
workshop
with
a
team
around
redesigning
their
approach
to
time
off
and
there's
just
so
many
great
phrases
and
examples
in
your
own
documentation.
So
I
sort
of
also
saw
you
in
the
middle
of
today,
because
I
was
inside
of
your
company
documentation,
so
we've
been
together
all
day.
B
A
Let's
see
well,
I
actually
you
mentioned
my
latest
book
magical
meetings,
which
is
this
one
right
here.
I
think
what
we'll
talk
about
today
is
really
unique.
It's
kind
of
a
a
merging
of
the
book
time
off,
but
then
also
magical
meetings,
because
in
specifically
in
the
role
of
a
leader
or
a
manager.
I
think
that
these
this
topic
is
such
a
powerful
thing.
You
can
bring
to
your
meetings,
your
your
one-on-ones,
your
team
meetings,
your
your
strategy
sessions,
and
hopefully
we
talk
about
all
those
details
today.
A
So
hopefully
you
walk
away
with
many
little
morsels
that
you
could
the
next
time
you
facilitate
a
conversation
with
one
person
or
many
you've
got
a
few
new
ideas
that
go
beyond
just
the
typical
defaults
of
talking
about
the
work
and
talking
about
creativity,
time
off,
detachment,
intentional
rest
and
a
long
list
of
other
terms.
I'm
sure
we'll
talk
about
today.
B
Yeah
great
thanks,
I
realized
too.
I
got
ahead
of
myself
and
I
wanted
to
just
go
over
the
structure
of
what
this
call
is
going
to
be
like
before
I
asked
john
the
first
question:
we're
going
to
do
a
fireside
chat
between
john
and
I
for
the
first
like
20
25
minutes
or
so.
I
have
three
questions
that
are
up
towards
the
top
of
the
document
that
I'll
ask
john,
but
I
absolutely
encourage
you
to
chime
in
especially
we're
such
a
small
group.
B
If
you
want
to
add
something
to
the
discussion,
feel
free
to
just
come
off,
mute
or
you
can
add
it
to
the
document,
that's
fine
and
then,
after
those
three
questions-
and
we
have
that
conversation,
we'll
open
it
up
to
an
ama
so
down
in
the
document
at
the
beginning
of
the
second
page,
there's
a
section
called
session,
two
questions,
and
so,
if
you
have
questions
you
can
throw
them
in
there
in
the
third
page
of
the
document.
There's
questions
from
our
first
session
this
morning.
A
A
B
Love
it
great
okay,
so
I'll
kick
off
with
this
first
question
and
really
this
first
question
I
want
to
take
a
you
know,
a
broad
look
at
rest
ethic,
especially
for
people
who
maybe
haven't,
read
your
book
or
haven't
attended
a
call
with
you
before.
So
could
you
take
some
time
to
explain
yeah,
like
what
rest
ethic
is
and
and
just
like,
provide
a
definition
and
some
examples
of
that
for
us.
A
A
We
need
to
to
to
make
things
and
to
get
things
done,
but
we
also
can
take
that
same
level
of
discipline,
intent,
seriousness
and
apply
that
to
the
non-work
to
the
detachment
to
the
rest,
and
it
does
take
work.
It
does
take
effort
to
rest
well,
and
one
thing
that's
always
inspired
me
is
looking
at
the
analogy
of
us
as
creative
workers,
knowledge
workers,
we're
akin
to
supreme
athletes
and
elite
performers
like
athletes
have
a
solid
rest
ethic.
They
they
make
sure
to
exhale.
A
They
make
sure
to
balance
out
their
their
training
and
their
intensity
with
intentional
rest
and
there's
a
lot
of
science
around
not
only
making
sure
that
that
adds
to
sustainability
and
building
back
one's
energy,
but
it's
actually
an
amazing
function
that
helps
level
you
up,
because
in
those
moments
of
detachment,
there's
a
lot
of
amazing
reflection
and
identification
of
how
one
can
improve
one.
One
way
I
like
phrasing,
it
is
in
our
time-off
practices
that
take
many
shapes
and
forms
and
durations
is.
A
A
The
second
is
incubation,
the
third
is
illumination
and
the
last
one
is
verification.
Those
last
two
sorry,
the
first
one
and
the
last
one.
That's
work,
that's
time
on
that's
when
we're
either
preparing
something
and
we're
making
we're
coordinating
and
then
verification.
The
the
fourth
one
is:
you
know
we're
shipping
to
see.
Was
that
idea?
A
Awesome
did
it
have
any
merit
and
the
two
in
the
middle
incubation
and
illumination
illumination,
the
third
one
think
of
the
light
bulb
moment,
the
aha,
the
sudden,
epiphany.
The
only
way
that
those
occur
is
by
detaching
from
the
doing,
and
this
was
huge
for
me-
a
very
taipei
achiever
personality.
When
I
realized
that
until
I
had
a
rest
ethic,
I
was
missing
out
on
half
of
the
creative
process,
because
I
wasn't
delegating
to
my
subconscious.
A
That
really
was
a
huge
awakening
for
me
and
I
needed
to
write
a
book
that
a
former
version
of
myself
could
have
used
and
so
yeah
rest
ethic
is
really
around
taking
pride
and
intent
and
discipline
around
the
rest.
Don't
just
sit
there
in
a
lazy
fashion.
Thinking
that
it's
somehow
going
to
be
it's
somehow
going
to
manifest
you,
you
have
to
put
the
same
amount
of
energy
into
it
as
your
work.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
was
just
going
to
comment
on
what
you
just
ended
on
about.
I
think
before
I
started
hearing
you
speak
about
time
off
when
I
thought
about
rest.
It
almost
feels
like
a
really
passive
thing
and
that
rest
just
comes
in
between
work.
But
thinking
about
rest
ethic
and
hearing
you
say
that
it's
something
that
you
have
to
be
intentional
about
that
it
takes
work
that
it
takes.
A
And
there's
many
forms
of
it
and
it's
it's
just
a
matter
of
setting
setting
that
intention
and
your
own
oscillation.
I
think
about
one
of
the
profiles
that
we
did
in
our
book.
The
books
filled
with
about
40
profiles
of
different
people
throughout
history,
as
well
as
modern
times
that
that
are
a
great
case
study
in
the
many
many
forms
of
time
off
that
we
document
in
the
book.
One
of
my
favorites
for
the
analogy's
sake
is
we
interviewed
lebron
james
and
mike
mancias,
his
trainer
very
elite
performer
right
and
mike
his
coach.
A
B
Ethic,
thank
you
so
there's
a
lot
of
managers
on
this
call,
but
also
for
people
who
aren't
managers
and
our
individual
contributors.
We,
you
know,
run
off
of
this
model
at
gitlab,
where
we're
managers
of
one
and
so
just
being
an
individual
contributor.
You
are
a
manager
of
yourself
and
also
automatically
a
leader
for
the
people
watching
around
you.
So
I'd
love.
B
A
So
you
have
to
do
that
first
and
not
only
do
it
but
find
ways
to
talk
about
it
to
how
they're
there
there's
the
value
I
just
saw
darren
joined
the
call
at
one
time
I
emailed
darren
and
he
had
a
very
pride
filled
out
of
office
message
that
talked
about
his
intentional
time
off
what
he
was
doing.
Why
and
you
read
it
and
it
was
inspiring.
I
was
like.
A
Oh
that's,
so
it's
so
amazing
that
he's
setting
that
example
back
to
me
and
inspired
me,
and
so
that's
that's
that's
a
micro
example
of
you
know
you
have
to
model
it
yourself
because
I
like
to.
I
have
one
right
here
on
my
on
on
my
desk.
In
my
notepad
I
have
stress
and
calm
are
both
contagious.
What
am
I
spreading
question
mark?
A
So
I
think
that
by
you
know
talking
about
your
time
off.
Talking
about
your
leisure.
Just
give
us
permission,
that's
number
one!
The
second
is
the
question.
The
title
of
question
is
the
last
time
I
checked
very
few
of
us
in
the
world
like
to
be
told
what
to
do,
and
so,
instead
of
just
you
know
telling
people
they
needed
to
take
time
off.
A
Are
you
feeling
that
and
then
you
can
start
peeling
back
the
onion
from
there
to
get
to
a
question
like
rather
than
saying
you
need
time
off.
You
can
maybe
ask
hey:
when
was
the
last
time
you
had
some
intentional
time
off
and
maybe
another
question
is:
what
do
you
feel
keeps
you
away
from
taking
time
off?
Do
you
even
want
to
take
time
off?
A
What
did
you
do
this
weekend,
like
you
can
go
deeper
than
that?
You
can
ask
somebody,
you
know
what
what
did
what
did
they
do
in
the
last
time
they
had
some
significant
time
off
or
what's
one
of
their
hobbies,
and
you
know,
spend
a
lot
of
time
just
talking
about
that,
because
these
these
things
are
what
make
each
one
of
us
a
unique
individual
and
I've
always
been
a
big
fan
of
you
know.
A
By
the
way
I
use
this
with
my
fiance
all
the
time
you
can
just
take
a
a
sheet
of
paper,
cut
it
in
half,
or
you
could
do
this
in
in
mural
or
miro.
Whatever
you
know,
digital
note-taking
app
you
use
and
on
one
side
you
put
more
of
on
the
other
side
you
put
less
of,
and
you
just
take
five
to
ten
minutes.
Solo
work,
quiet
time
and
each
person
fills
it
out
and
then,
after
the
quiet
time
library
rules,
then
you
socialize
here's
my
list.
Here's
your
list!
A
Oh
wow,
I'm
gonna,
ask
you
some
questions.
Now.
I
had
no
idea.
That's
one
version,
the
other
which
is
same
activity
just
different
language
is
what
energizes
you.
What
drains
you
and
I
think
specifically
at
work.
The
second
one
that
I
just
mentioned
is
really
powerful,
because
once
you
get
to
know
those
around
you,
what
really
drains
them
a
typical
area.
That
is
a
signal
of
some
kind
of
intervening
should
happen.
Is
someone
says
this
type
of
work
or
these
kinds
of
things
really
drain
me?
Yet
that
is
a
lot
of
what
they're
doing.
A
I
think
that
that
you
know
in
my
experience
that
signals
hey,
we
might
want
to
mix
things
up
here.
We
might
not
have
a
good
talent
function
fit.
You
know,
based
on
that,
so
there's
some
really
cool,
like
people,
ops,
things
that
can
that
can
occur
from
that
activity,
but
it
also,
I
think,
is-
is
a
very
approachable
thing
for
all
of
us
to
just
check
in
with
everyone
to
understand.
Energy
management,
which
I
I'm
starting
to
learn
over
time
is
more
important
than
time
management.
B
B
B
You
know
I
haven't
seen
you
post
in
slack
in
multiple
days
or
I've
seen
you
post
in
slack.
Every
10
minutes
you
know
whatever
is
on
that
drains
list.
I
think
that
maybe
that's
something
that
our
teams
can
leverage
because
we're
remote
and
because
we
work
so
transparently,
I
think
it
could.
It
could
work
well
with
our
team.
A
I've
done
with
our
team
with
other
companies
is
a
lot
of
times
where
people
feel
drained
is
typically
where
we
are
trying
to
emulate
machines
right
like
again,
humans
are
great
at
the
messiness
and
the
creativity,
whereas
you
know
something:
that's
super
mundane
and
repetitive:
that's
exhausting
for
most
people
and
and
I've.
I've
found
that
the
the
things
that
are
logged
in
the
drained-
or
I
feel
stuck
category,
is
actually
an
amazing.
A
What
would
be
the
right
word
backlog
of
things
that
people
could
think
about?
How
do
we
automate
that?
How
can
we
leverage
you
know
the
bleeding
edge
automation,
that's
released
every
day
in
2021
to
maybe
come
up
with
a
new
process
to
where
human
beings
aren't
doing
that
anymore,
or
at
least
all
of
it,
and
therefore
open
up
some
space.
I'm
gonna
share
my
my
background
on
my
computer.
Just
because
to
hold
myself
accountable,
I
have
this
you'll
love
this.
A
A
A
By
the
way,
full
applause
like
I
I'm
I
I'm
in
y'all's
documentation,
probably
as
much
as
all
like
employees,
because
I
just
really
respect
it's.
I
have
it's
hard
for
me
to
put
as
much
gratitude
as
as
I
should
for
how
much
I'm
in
there
getting
remixable
ideas
and-
and
this
this
is
not
new
to
y'all.
Y'all
are
always
leveling
up.
B
B
What
am
I
what's
the
best
way
to
say
it
to
like
have
evidence
of
why
their
team
should
be
taking
time
off,
and
so
how
can
managers
communicate
and
demonstrate
the
value
of
rest,
as
it
relates
to
the
work
that
their
teams
are
doing,
we're
really
good
at
sharing
okr's
achieved
and
and
goals
met.
But
how
do
we
weave
the
impact
that
rest
ethic
has
on.
C
A
Yeah
well,
first
of
all,
I
think
a
lot
of
times
organizations
don't
because
they
haven't
thought
about
a
very
important
component
of
this
whole
time
off
aspect
of
a
company,
and
that
is
how
one
reintegrates
somebody
after
time
off.
You
know,
like
I
think
about.
Why
do
why
do
companies
or
teams
hire
outside
help,
consultants,
coaches,
etc?
A
It's
because
we
don't
have
the
curse
of
knowledge,
we're
detached,
and
so
we
can
look
at
a
slightly
different
altitude
and
when
people
take
time
off
inside
your
company,
I
look
at
it
as
they
actually
become
a
temporary
kind
of
consultant
like
a
coach
because
they
were
briefly
detached,
and
so
they
can.
They
can
come
back
with
epiphanies
and
new
ideas
and
a
lot
of
times.
A
We
don't
hold
space
for
that,
like
reintegration,
it
doesn't
need
to
be
like
an
intense
interrogation,
interview
kind
of
thing,
but
perhaps
there's
a
way
of
of
sharing
like
at
our
company,
my
co-founder,
and
I
we
we
make
sure
to
have
this
ramp
up
time
after
time
off,
and
we
have
a
forum
that
we
just
follow.
Where
I
you
know,
you
ask
like
hey
what
epiphanies
did
you
have?
A
Maybe
you
didn't
have
any
that's
fine,
but
a
lot
of
times
you
do
and
that
moment
becomes
a
really
important
capturing
moment
of
of
some
clarity,
and
I
think
that
the
more
you
practice,
your
version
of
that
you
can
show
that
hey
this
time-off
function
not
only
helps
us
prevent
burnout,
which
is
important,
but
it
actually
leads
to
a
higher
increase
in
quality
of
ideas
and
perspective,
and
I
think,
over
time
you
can
show
how.
Maybe
you
take
a
step
further,
like
someone's,
really
cool
ideas
from
their
detachment.
A
A
I
do
this
all
the
time
at
dinner
parties
with
my
friends.
I
I,
if
they're
a
little
dubious
of
this
whole
topic.
I'll
just
say:
hey.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
some
of
the
most
pivotal
moments
that
you
had
in
your
life?
Whether
it
was
a
business
idea
or
a
real
big
shift,
you
had
and
like
talk
to
me
about
the
origin
moment
of
that
and
that's
when
they
get
it,
they
go.
A
Oh
yeah,
I
was
like
on
a
camping
trip
or
on
a
sabbatical
or
I
was
at
a
farmer's
market
or
I
was
on
a
walk
and
boom.
The
idea
came
to
them,
and
so
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
paying
proper
credit.
It's
like
accreditation
to.
Where
was
the
origin
of
this
idea
and
yeah.
I
think
if
you
incorporate
people
sharing
their
insights
that
they
have
in
these
moments
of
detachment,
then
you
have
the
opportunity
to
to
promote
it
and
and
take
and
take
pride
in
it.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
Yeah
it
does
it's
funny
too.
I'm
thinking
the
question
that
you
that
you
included
like
what
was
the
epiphany
that
you
had.
I
don't
think
anyone's
ever
asked
me
what
epiphany
did
I
have
ever
and
I
just
love
the.
I
love
that
I
love
that
question,
but
yeah
you
don't
just
having
that
time,
especially
when
you
come
back
from
being
away
to
talk
about
to
talk
about
what
it
was
like
and
what
you're
bringing
back
and.
D
A
A
I
forgot
your
terminology,
but
it's
basically,
you
know
somebody
that
has
a
lot
of
knowledge
right,
they're,
a
subject
matter
expert
within
the
company
or
a
component
of
the
company,
and
if
it
is
disruptive,
if
those
people
take
time
off,
if
they
have
not
documented
their
knowledge
right,
because
I
think
time
off
can
also
be
beneficial
because
it
forces
resiliency
and
decentralization
right
like
I've,
always
thought
about
it.
As
you
don't
want
the
functions
of
the
company
to
stop
what
what
a
proper
time-off
preparation
practice
does
over
time.
A
Is
it
detaches
human
beings
from
functions
and
if
you
have
proper
documentation,
if
I'm
out
samantha
you
and
a
few
others
if
the
documentation
is
correct,
can
can
at
least
carry
the
basics
of
that
function,
because
I've
documented
it
and
what's
important
about
that
is
the
first
time
that
happens.
There's
probably
going
to
be
a
lot
of
of
things
that
aren't
clear,
even
though
I
documented
it
right.
You're
going
to
notice
you're
going
to
take
note
of
it
when
I
come
back
and
say:
hey
everyone,
I
have
these
epiphanies.
Isn't
that
great?
A
Yes,
it
is,
but
then
you'll
also
say
john.
That's
awesome!
Well
we're
glad
you're
back,
because
actually
what
we
noticed
is
these
bullet
points
weren't
clear,
so
we
I
think
we
should
actually
upgrade
it
and
update
it
so
that
the
next
time
we
hand
off
these
functions,
it's
clearer
to
others.
So,
there's
a
there's
like
a
leveling
up
a
clarity
program
that
can
run
by
forcing
yourself.
A
You
know,
I
think
I
think
tim
ferriss
made
it
the
most
popular
idea
in
the
four-hour
work
week
which
came
out
which
feels
like
a
thousand
years
ago,
but
he
was
early
in
on
this
concept.
You
know,
I
think
he
was
mainly
speaking
to
small
business
entrepreneurs,
where
he's
like
by
just
setting
the
date
of
like
taking
time
off.
It
actually
led
to
being
being
very
strategic
around
improving
the
operation
because
he
needed
to,
and
so
I
think,
like
a
proper
time
off.
A
B
B
Every
time
I
read
it
and
I
was
reading
over
it
a
few
days
ago
and
the
points
on
there
too,
just
about
how
so
like
not
only
for
the
person
who's
leaving
who's
going
to
rest
to
take
time
off,
does
documentation,
help
them
feel
better
about
being
away
from
their
team,
and
it
helps
their
team
feel
better
about
getting
things
done.
But
there's
a
few
headlines
that
I'll
read
from
the
page
there's
one
that
says,
creates
clarity
and
leverage
documentation
to
ease
anxiety.
B
I
just
think
that
both
of
those
points
are
really
strongly
related,
especially
for
the
using
documentation
to
ease
anxiety
both
from
the
person
who
might
feel
anxious,
walking
away
from
their
team
for
x
amount
of
days
and
to
ease
the
anxiety
of
the
way
that
their
team
is
feeling
about.
That
person
being
gone.
A
Yeah
and
then
here's
here's
another
topic
that
I
I
I'm
very
inspired
by
and
I
think
each
company
should
at
least
consider
what
their
own
version
of
this
would
be
in
and
we're
actually
building
an
app
specifically
a
workplace.
App
specifically
for
this
micro
use
case
is
one
of
the
profiles
in
our
book
is
on
ariana
huffington,
who
is
kind
of
a
thought
leader.
A
She
had
her
own
crazy
story
around
max
burnout
and
almost
died
from
it,
and
so
now,
she's
on
the
other
side
of
the
spectrum,
really
trying
to
talk
about
wellness
inside
of
companies
and
their
company
is
called
thrive,
they're
a
media
company
and
they
do
consulting
services,
coaching
services,
and
when
we
interviewed
her,
she
talked
about
that.
They
did
something
in
addition
to
their
vacation
time,
their
parental
leave
their
sick
time
and
they
added
something
they
branded
themselves
called
thrive
time
because
they're,
a
startup
they're,
a
growing
startup.
A
Just
like
you
and
you
know,
you're
against
the
market.
You
know,
I
think,
a
startup.
You
know
until
it
becomes
a
really
really
big
company,
the
market's
just
trying
to
constantly
take
you
out.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
that
that
that's,
you
know,
of
course
a
reality
and
they
have
the
same
reality,
and
so
they
they
know
about
the
times
where
sometimes
you
got
to
push
a
little
longer
than
the
traditional
work
day
or
you.
A
You
know
you
have
to
get
to
stay
up
late
or
you
have
to
work
over
a
weekend
for
a
an
externality,
a
deadline.
That's
not
going
to
budge
like
those
things
happen,
but
what
they
make
sure
to
do
is
that
when
it
happens
that
there
is
a
serious
pressure
release
that
there
is
well
warranted
decompression
after
that
valiant
effort.
A
So
it's
like
valiant
rest
after
valiant
effort-
and
I
love
this
because,
like
just
like
awesome
athletes,
there's
this
concept
of
perceived
exertion
and
they
measure
that
and
like
lebron
james
and
his
coach,
mike
mancias,
it's
like
they're,
very
aware
of
his
exertion
and
then
the
rest
model.
You
know
follow
suit,
and
so
I
think
you
can
remix
that
concept
across
teams
and
stuff
is
hey
after
a
big
push
or
after
a
big
milestone,
it's
actually
in
your
favor
to
decompress.
A
B
A
A
I've
gotten
so
many
emails
about
this
and
I
finally
found
the
answer.
So
I
I
was
getting
in
like
I
was
getting
inaccurate
information
from
a
consultant
around
audiobook
production
who
was
like
you
have
to
basically
go
into
a
studio.
It's
a
whole
thing.
It's
going
to
take
multiple
weeks
and
I
was
like
wow.
I
like,
I
guess,
that's
what
you
have
to
do
and
and
then
I
was
talking
to
some
a
publisher
who's
approaching
me
for
a
new
book
and
we
were
talking
about
audiobooks
and
I
was
like
hey.
A
I'm
really
curious
like
how
are
we
going
to
fit
audio
books
into
this
deal
because
I've
heard
it's
very
intense
they're
like
what
are
you
talking
about?
You
can
record
it
at
home
with
the
right
microphone
and
the
right
software.
I'm
like
what
I
just
found
this
out
a
few
days
ago.
So
I'm
hoping
to
just
record
it
myself
here
soon
and
supposedly
it
should
ship
pretty
quickly
after
that,
so
it's
coming
in
and
I
think
we
can
we
can.
We
can
have
fun
with
it.
A
One
idea
I
have
is
because
my
co-author
max,
I
think,
has
a
way
better
voice
than
me.
He's
got
like
this
awesome
kind
of
weird,
like
combination,
that's
like
so
intriguing
of
like
german
and
uk,
but
he
also
speaks
japanese
so
that
there's
this
little
like
dash
of
flavor
there
too
anyway.
I
think
his
voice
is
amazing.
It's
like
it's
like
watching
a
nature
documentary,
so
my
thought
is
that
one
of
us
reads
the
the
normal
chapters
and
then
the
profiles.
A
C
D
D
New
ideas
can
that
be
as
beneficial
to
folks
to
just
take
a
break
from
doing
what
you
always
do,
maybe
for
I'm
making
stuff
up
but
a
day
a
week
just
for
a
month
to
just
say
I
just
need
to
do
something
different
yeah
as
helpful
as
the
time
away,
because
I
think
I
find
that
more
exciting
and
more.
You
know
it
brings
up
my
my
spirit
by
doing
that
by
yes,.
A
A
Absolutely-
and
we
have,
the
book
is
broken
into
many
different
chapters
around
the
many
forms
of
time
off.
Some
are
very
active,
like
you're
saying
some
are
very
passive.
Some
are
very
biologically
necessary,
like
sleep,
but
we
kind
of
look
across
the
spectrum,
and
I
like
what
you
said.
It
reminds
me
of
one
of
the
chapters
we
talk
about
this
analogy
of
crop
rotation
applied
to
you
know
what
what
you're
working
on
and
and
mixing
things
up.
A
I
think
tim
hartford,
we
interviewed,
and
he
has
this
concept
called
slow
motion
multitasking,
which
is
his
terminology
for
what
you're
talking
about.
It's
like
you
know,
he's
not
for
like
the
frantic
trying
to
multitask,
because
that's
more
or
less
a
facade
we
can.
We
can
single
task
with
some
context
switch,
but
he's
like
we
can.
We
can
do
like
a
large
scale
like
a
slow-motion
multi-task,
whereas
you
know
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
be
doing
this,
but
this
afternoon
I
might
be
doing
something
entirely.
A
From
the
outside,
or
looking
in
you're
doing
something
active
but
to
your
point,
you've
detached
from
one
thing
to
focus
on
another
which
has
similar
benefits
of
you,
know
your
subconscious
and
goes
to
work
on
the
previous
thing,
while
you're
engaged
in
something
else
so
absolutely
and
time
off.
For
some
people
is
crazy.
A
Active
for
example,
max-
and
I,
my
co-author,
are
very
different.
He's
he's
like
doing
ultra
marathons
like
running
100
miles
and
I'm
like
that's
your
time
off.
That's
not!
Whereas
I'm
like
you
know,
I'd
be
back
there.
Like
I
see
in
darren's
office
he's
got
some
guitars
I'd.
You
know,
I'd
probably
have
a
glass
of
wine
playing
some
guitars.
You
know
going
on
a
walk
and
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
max-
and
I
are
both
correct
at
the
end.
A
You
know
it's
the
it's
different
practices,
but
with
the
same
intent
or
should
I
say
the
same
strategy,
different
tactics
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
to
take
home
as
well.
Is
that
each
each
one
of
you
is
going
to
have
a
different
rest
ethic
and
I
think
that's
awesome
and
fascinating
and
yet
another
vector
to
get
to
know
each
other.
D
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
I
get
my
I
get
my
you
know,
energy
from
looking
at
things
in
a
different
way.
So
say
I
ask
somebody
who
doesn't
do
what
I
do
hey.
How
would
you
solve
this
problem,
or
can
I
come
in
and
help
you
solve
a
problem
that
I
don't
even
know
anything
about
and
coming
up
with
a
completely
out-of-the-box
thing
idea
and
then
at
the
end
of
that
saying
great,
let's
try
it.
D
D
A
That's
awesome.
That's
awesome!
Thank
you
for
sharing
that.
I
I
deeply
appreciate
that
great
question.
Thank
you
and
that
samantha
said
it.
This
is
ama
which
the
last
time
I
checked
is
ask
me
anything.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
about
time
off.
Maybe
we'll
see
we'll
see.
If
you
just
don't
ask
me
about
quantum
theory,
I
probably
don't
have
a
lot
of
answers
to
that.
E
I
keep
coming
up
with
random
ideas
for
my
existing
team,
while,
while
I'm
in
the
work
of
the
other
team
learning
about
them,
so
it
just-
and
it's
very
creative
stuff
too,
like
oh
wow,
like
this
thing,
sparked
this
idea
for
me
to
go.
Take
back
to
my
my
other
team.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
great
idea
that
you
have
there.
A
Yeah
and
ultimately,
that
I
was,
I
was
kind
of
joking,
but
it
actually
leads
to
a
serious
point
which
was
max
and
I,
my
co-author,
our
one
goal
was
to
not
write
a
book
that
is,
is
really
trying
to
teach
anything
new.
I
think
all
of
us
know
this
as
human
beings,
one
of
my
one
of
my
meditation
teachers,
one
time
really
kind
of
blew
me
away
when
he
was
like
john
remember-
we're
human
beings,
not
human
doings.
F
F
Same
workup
up
and
a
side
effect
of
that
was
working
more,
but
I'm
filled
with
gratitude
that
I
was
able
to
do
that
now.
The
world
in
some
places
seems
to
be
coming
back
online
with
force.
There
is
so
much
to
do
and
choose
from,
and
everyone
wants
to
hang
out.
There's
like
a
million
things
going
on
I'd
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
time
off
after
the
pandemic.
It's
the
pendulum
one
from
one
side.
A
Thank
you
that
yeah
sure
it
is
exciting
to
take
that
international
flight
and
go
to
a
new
culture.
But
you
know
there's
so
many
parts
unknown
just
just
locally.
So
that's
one
thing,
that's
one
little
thing
I
wanted
to
share,
but
here's
something
that
just
give
me
a
second
to
google
it
so
that
I
credit
it
appropriately.
This
I
can't
take
credit
for
I'm
just
a
curator.
A
There
is
a
ted
talk
presented
by
dr
sandra
dalton
smith
and
you'll
be
able
to
find
it
by
just
typing
in
the
seven
types
of
rest
that
every
person
needs
it's
it's.
The
next
course
we're
going
to
be
working
on
is
a
deep
dive
in
this,
but
this
was
even
after
the
book
came
out
as
an
ongoing
student
of
time
off.
A
I
was
like
yes,
this
is
a
whole
new
filter
to
look
at
this
through
and
and
the
the
seven
types
is
so
there's
physical
rest,
there's
mental
rest,
there's
sensory,
rest,
there's
creative
rest,
there
is
emotional,
rest,
spiritual,
rest
and
so
travel
or
anything.
You
know
all
of
your
options,
I
think,
just
like
we're
all
recommended
to
have
a
balanced
diet
of
nutrients.
I
think
you
need
a
balanced
rest
ethic
to
make
sure
that
you're
getting
those
seven
types
of
rest
for
yourself,
or
at
least
the
majority
of
them,
I
think,
is
reasonable.
A
So
I
would,
I
would
maybe
think
about
you
know.
Let's
say
you
have
you
have
12
options
getting
thrown
at
you
of
what
you
can
do?
Maybe
you?
Maybe
you
just
quickly
tagged
them?
What
what
types
of
rest
might
this
might
just
provide
me
and
just
making
sure
that
you
get
good
coverage
there
so
kind
of
a
short
answer,
but
I
think
could
lead
to
a
deep
dive
exercise
for
yourself
and
all
of
us
to
to
maybe
wait
out
our
options.
B
C
A
A
So
you
know
we
have
this
like
team
off
sites,
where
we
like
we're
detaching
from
the
business
we're
going
to
go.
Do
this
like
satellite
workshop,
where
we're
detached
and
we
can
be
a
little
skunk
work,
team
or
whatever.
Well,
you
can
do
that
as
an
individual
too.
Right
of,
like
I
read
like
bill
gates.
A
We
do
this
with
like
okr
planning,
you
know
not
trying
to
just
fit
it
in
and
the
craziness
that's
occurring,
but
to
actually
be
like
hey
off,
so
that
I
can
think
about
what
are
my
most
important
north
star
goals
and
the
dominoes
that
really
matter
to
to
knock
down
so
josh.
Thanks
for
pointing
that
out.
A
C
All
right,
john,
for
those
who
may
be
overwhelmed
with
the
thought
of
planning
time
off
like
that
in
and
of
itself,
is
more
stressful
than
just
working
additional
hours.
Would
you
ever
consider
building
a
business
that
helps
people
book
time
off
or
excursions
after
potentially
an
audit
of
what
they're
challenged
with
or
some
of
the
kinds
of
rest?
They
think
they
need.
A
When
should
this
person
be
recommended
time
off,
based
on
project
milestones,
etc.
But
to
your
point
I
think
there's
extra
layers
there
of
like
what
should
you
even
do
based
on
you
know
a
number.
You
could
build
a
whole
corpus
on
onboarding
and
preferences
and
what
they're
feeling
so
wow
you
just
like
yeah,
you
kind
of
if
I
could
do
that,
emoji
of
like
the
atomic
bomb
over
my
head.
That's
what
just
happened
so.
A
C
I
think
about
our
bto
by
root,
it's
a
slack
plugin
we
have,
and
on
the
first
working
day
of
every
month,
you
can
opt
into
a
direct
message
that
essentially
says:
if
you
don't
have
any
time
off
planned
and
you
feel
like
you,
can't
take
any
copy
and
paste
this
message
into
your
next
one-on-one,
but
an
additional
layer
to
that
would
be,
or
just
click
here
to
book
some
time
off
through
john's
service.
If
book
taking
time
off.
C
A
C
A
You
know
we
have
we
have.
I
can
see
that
as
a
as
a
product
experience,
because
we've
done
this
in
a
workshop
right,
like
we've
been
able
to
through
prompts
with
teams
working
with
each
other.
You
know
kind
of
choose
your
own
adventure
route,
so
wow
yeah,
okay,
that's
going
to
go
into
the
prototyping
room
for
sure!
E
A
A
E
B
That's
great
well
we're
coming
up
on
time,
if
there's
anyone
who
has
a
last-minute
question
that
they
want
to
voice
or
add
to
the
doc
quickly
go
ahead,
but
if
not,
I
just
want
to
take
the
last
few
minutes
to
say
thanks
again,
john
for
joining
us.
This
was
great.
The
session
earlier
today
was
great.
I
encourage
you
all
who
are
on
this
session
to
you
know
book
out
some
time,
maybe
in
the
coming
weeks,
to
listen
to
that
first
session,
because
we
talked
through
the
same
questions
but
had
a
totally
different
discussion.
B
B
A
So
it's
it's
truly
truly
an
honor
and
I
think
that
you're
you're
pioneers
on
this
front
and
the
fact
that
you're,
even
taking
the
time
to
talk
about
this
topic,
it's
really
important,
but
all
the
other
topics
that
that
you
talk
about.
I
was
like
I'm,
I'm
only
a
dog
dad.
So
don't
you
know
take
my
take
my
advice
with
a
grain
of
salt,
whereas
I
was
looking
at
the
like
parental
leave
section
and
it
was
just
so
thoughtful.
A
I
mean,
of
course,
you'll
continue
to
expand
on
it
as
you
learn
more,
but
I
was
like
wow
like
if
I
I
do
want
to
have
kids
in
in
the
future,
and
I
was
like
that's
so
amazing
to
to
think
about
that
kind
of
time
off,
because
that's
not
only
a
time
off.
It
is
a
life
season
change
a
totally
new,
not
only
a
new
chapter
like
an
entirely
new
book.
It's
like
well,
we
closed
that
book.
Here's
an
entirely
new
book
and
you
and
you're
holding
space
for
that.