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A presentation of the Hyperledger Climate Action and Accounting SIG on January 24, 2023 featuring Martin Pompéry from the SINE Foundation speaking about Interoperable Emission Data Exchange: Status, Outlook and Challenges.
The Pathfinder Network is part of the WBCSD PACT project and stands for an information network for the exchange of emission data at product-level. The virtual network itself is organized and conceptualized as an open network based on interoperable interactions between the stakeholders of the network. The presentation will outline the status and roadmap of the Pathfinder Network, and will conclude with a list of still unresolved challenges in the overall context of emission data exchange.
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as
I
always
do
before
every
meeting
the
these
meetings
and
all
meetings
operate,
underneath
the
Linux
foundations,
Anti-Trust
policy,
and
so
that's
something
that's
very
important
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind.
I'll
share
the
the
the
meeting
page
with
you.
That's
where
you
can
find
the
so
I
just
want
to
pull
this
up
real
quickly.
Your
screen
kind
of
do
two
things
at
once:
yeah.
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A
Right
here
you
can
see
the
the
Anti-Trust
policy
notice.
We
also
operate
underneath
the
hyperledger
code
of
conduct
so
for
participating
within
the
organization
within
the
community.
Please
keep
that
in
mind,
usually
like
to
kick
off
these
calls
by
very
quickly,
seeing
if
there's
anybody
on
the
call
for
the
first
time
love
to
get
you
to
raise
your
hand
and
share
a
little
bit
who
you
are
where
you're
coming
from
and
how
you
heard
about
it.
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there
anybody
new
on
the
call
today
to
the
Sig?
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sounds
like
it
sounds
like
we
have
all
old
timers
here.
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fantastic
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
things.
We
do
have
several
different
non-technical
contribution
opportunities
within
the
Sig.
One
of
them
is
just
a
general
marketing
engagement
project
within
the
ecosystem
to
build
awareness
for
the
Sig.
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If
there's
interest
to
you,
there's
a
lot
of
support
from
the
high
religion
foundation
for
for
some
of
the
papers,
we're
putting
out
as
well
so
I
think
with
any
of
these.
Please
please
reach
out
to
the
mailing
list
or
better
yet
I
I've.
All
we've
also
got
a
Discord
Channel,
but
I
want
to
get
more
active.
So
please
just
reach
out
on
the
on
the
Discord
Channel.
We
can
start
a
conversation.
There
also
wanted
to
kick
off
with
some
of
the
different
working
group
updates.
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Yeah,
and
so
this
is
a
really
interesting
presentation
that
I'm
really
excited
about
the
the
partnership
for
carbon
transparency.
It's
definitely
something
it's
a
partnership.
It's
a
initiative!
That's
definitely
within
our
wheelhouse
I'm
excited
to
learn
about
some
of
the
progress
that
you
guys
have
made
it's
a
partnership
with
the
world,
Business
Council
for
sustainable
development
and
really
just
interested
in
hearing
about
that
work
and
and
the
work
of
CNA
and
and
how
how
you're
supporting
it.
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Yeah
perfect,
yes,
I
am
great,
but
I
must
say:
I,
I,
I
really
like
interactive
foremost,
so
we
can
go
through
the
slides,
but
we
can
also
go
with
the
flow
so
to
save
all
the
questions
but
I.
What
I
guess
might
make
sense
is
that
I
briefly
at
least
introduce
you
to
to
the
packet
project
and
what
work
we
have
been
doing
there
and
some
of
our
assumptions
Etc,
so
that
we
all
have
to
take
a
common
Foundation
to
then
dive
deeper
into.
If
that
makes
sense.
Yes,.
A
That
does
make
sense
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know.
Could
you
also
provide
a
high
level
introduction
that
you
might
in
your
presentation
of
this,
of
your
foundation
that
you're
that
you
run
in
in
the
work
with
the
World
Business
Council
for
sustainable
development
and
how
that
ecosystem
came
together?
Yes,.
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Yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
I
can
do
that,
giving
second,
because
that
slide
I
had
actually
hidden
on
the
senior
Foundation,
assuming
that
it's
actually
not
very
necessary.
Give
me
give
me
a
second
so
yeah
we
go
all
right
perfect,
so
so
the
senior
Foundation
well.
We
are
very
crude
thing
because
we
haven't
really
found
a
good
way
to
explain
what
we
do,
but
so
say
what
you
generally
are
about
is
connecting
different
stakeholders
with
each
other.
Sometimes
it's
about
technology.
D
Sometimes
it's
about
creating
forums,
and
this
connection
is
so
to
say
part
of
the
DNA
of
our
non-profit
organization.
We
are
based
in
Berlin,
but
we
have
members
from
all
over
the
world.
Roughly
50
of
the
members
are
former
startup
Founders
or
people
with
a
small
lack
of
software
background
and
product
background.
The
other
50
are
from
Academia
and
they
are
especially
computer
science
and
economics
and
cryptography,
and
we
we
try
to
bring
all
of
these
domains
together,
because
we
have
this
founding
theater
set.
D
D
Wpcsd
so
far
was
and
is
especially
known
for
being
one
of
the
original
core
authors
of
the
greenhouse
gas
protocol
and
and
by
that
they
are
effectively
doing
standard
setting
work,
but
they
have
never
really
reached
the
realm
of
taking
what
they
are
publishing
as
technical
standards
and
guidelines
and
methodologies,
and
so
they
put
that
into
into
working
software,
and
this
is
where
we
essentially
start
our
work.
We
we
help
wbcsd
in
capability
building.
In
that
regard,
we
partially
steer
the
project
when
it
comes
to
writing
technical
specifications.
D
It's
Only,
just
if
that's
a
sufficient
answer
in
terms
of
what
scene
is
yes,
of
course,
as
always
feel
free
to
ask
questions
right
like
like,
as
I
said,
like
I,
have
a
lot
of
slides
prepared,
but
I
rather
like
to
work
or
directly
reply
to
answers
than
just.
Do
you
know
frontal
presentation,
I
would
assume
everybody
knows
what
scope
3
means
and
when
we
talk
about
Windows
gas
emissions
right
or
shoulder
briefly
explain.
What's
really.
The
challenge
here
is.
D
D
The
liability
will
be
essentially
the
same
as
for
financial
numbers.
In
other
words,
if
you
are
reporting
non-truthful
values,
you
hold
your
company
accountable
for
almost
unlimited
liability.
So
to
say,
and
also
liability
is
a
personal
one,
at
least
here
in
Europe,
meaning,
if
you
are
a
board
member,
we
talk
about
personal
liability
here,
actually
right
so
so
these
numbers
are
very
critical.
Now
they
haven't
been
before.
This
is
the
business
aspect,
so
to
say
of
Scopes
free
emissions
and
because
these
corporates
are
working
at
a
global
level.
D
Of
course,
they're
interested
in
the
Technical
Solutions
that,
in
the
best
case,
also
works
globally
right
so
today
that
they
have
one
technical
standard
so
and
one
also
accounting
and
mechanism
that
they
can
employ
to
do
their
scope.
Three
level,
accounting
and
and
and
also
of
course,
have
their
suppliers
use
the
same
methodology,
because
otherwise
the
bigger
corporates
will
be
unable
to
do
their
accounting
purposes
or
to
fulfill
their
obligations.
And,
of
course,
this
does
not
only
apply
to
bigger
corporates.
D
This
will
be
greatly
expanding
a
decent
EU
area
economic
area.
This
will
also
affect
much
smaller
companies
as
well.
So
it's
no
longer
just
a
big
corporate
game
that
we're
talking
about
it's
really
affecting
a
major
part
of
the
of
the
economy
in
the
world.
Basically,
but
but
again,
I
assume
that
everybody
is
aware
of
that
challenge
in
general,
so
the
the
work
we
when
we
started
to
work
with
wbcsd-
and
this
is
so
to
say
one
of
the
research
results
from
some
of
our
founding
members
said.
D
D
A
A
D
D
So
we
we
very
much
care
about
intropol
data
exchange.
But
here
we
are
really
talking
about
a
specific
way
to
exchange
data,
not
the
type
of
data
exchange
that
would
be
mediated,
for
instance,
with
a
central
or
quasi-central
system,
like
let's
say
a
blockchain
based
system
or
similar.
But
really
what
we're
aiming
for
is
the
different
parties
participating
in
the
value
chain.
Meaning
say
you
are
a
supplier
to
your
customer
and
etc,
etc.
D
These
different
parties
are
supposed
to
exchange
data
directly
with
each
other.
The
only
the
analogy
here
really
is
more
about,
let's
say,
enabling
a
protocol
similar
to
email
instead
of
building
a
platform.
So
that
was
this.
Let's
say
this:
this
freedom
of
platforms
was
a
key
aspect
for
many
of
the
players
was
unpacked
because
they
really
care
about
sovereignty
and
control
over
their
data.
They
don't
want
others
to
see
who
their
suppliers
are,
for
instance,
but
they
also
want
to
have
control
over
who
sees
their
emissions
data
for
what
purpose
Etc.
D
So
so.
This
is
why
this
type
of
secure
peer-to-peer
data
exchange
was
was
very
significant
and
important
for
them
from
day
one,
and
when
we
talk
about
emission
data
in
in
the
context
of
the
framework
right
now,
we
are
really
focused
on
on
a
very
singular
thing.
It
is
Vino's
gas
emission
data
at
product
level.
So
we
are
not
talking
about
corporate
level
data
here,
of
course,
but
we're
really
talking
product
level.
D
This
is
important
to
understand
because,
of
course,
there
are
other
platforms
or
other
approaches
like
let's
say,
CDP
Etc,
who
are
not
working
at
product
level,
Mission
dates.
But
it's
it's.
It's
obvious,
of
course.
If
you
are
more
into
carbon
accounting
that
product
level
emission
data
will
be
really
key
to
decarbonizing
the
industries,
because
it
allows
you
to
understand
like
where
exactly
or
which,
which
part
which
which
product
so
to
say,
I,
could
concentrate
on.
D
A
May
I
ask
you:
yes,
will
you
envision
the
kind
of
data
outputs,
obviously
you're,
thinking
about
it
at
the
product
level?
But
are
you
also
envisioning
something
where
this?
If
you
can
track
it
at
the
product
level,
you
can
also
assess
data
at
potentially
the
facility
level
or
identify
it
at
the
regional
level.
You
know
and
basically
just
have
this
and
use
it.
However,
however,
you
need
it
right.
D
Yeah
yeah:
that's
a
really
good
question,
though
we
already
have
Regional
scope
within
the
current
data
model.
We
will
be
opening
up
this
for
a
much
higher
granularity
and
most
likely
meaning
even
down
to
the
factory
or
maybe
even
production
line
if,
if
needed
and
wanted,
but
that
would
probably
not
go
into
the
so
to
say
core
data
model,
but
into
something
else,
which
we
call
data
model
extension
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second
but
yeah.
D
We
definitely
Envision
Envision
that
even
down
to
if
needed,
I
mean
the
data
model
would
already
allow
for
that
even
down
to
individual
batches
or
even
to
a
batch
of
one.
If,
if
needed,
but
again,
this
is
right
now
actually
not
needed
or
wanted
from
the
community
for
for
many
reasons,
but
there's
the
one
reason
being
really
that
getting
data
from
your
suppliers
and
making
sure
that
the
data
has
a
high
quality
is
already
such
a
big
challenge,
so
to
say
increasing
the
accuracy
or
the
granularity
of
the
data.
D
So
say
not
the
not
the
biggest
concern
right
now,
but
the
but
the
protocols
in
some
sense,
but
also
the
data
model
is
also
is
already
anticipating
that
so
so
it
could
be
done
tomorrow,
but
and
I
guess.
We
will
talk
more
about
that
in
a
second
yeah.
So
at
the
changes
in
between
are
of
non-technical,
nature
are
much
much
bigger
than
so
to
say,
being
able
to
exchange
certain
data,
but
to
have
it
and
to
make
sure
that
it
is
dependable
and
accurate.
D
E
D
Yeah
yeah,
that's
a
wonderful
question
and
thanks
for
bringing
it
up
actually
I
almost
forgot
it.
So,
as
you
might
know
right
now,
very
maybe
especially
when
we
talk
about
product
level,
accounting
and
life
cycle
analysis.
Maybe
often
companies
resort
to
the
mission.
Factor
databases
right
and
there
are
a
lot
of
problems
with
these
emission
Factor
databases.
One
is
very
often
they
are
not
complete,
meaning
they
are
May,
weigh
more
products
in
the
world
than
have
been
analyzed
at
all
in
terms
of
life
cycle
data.
So
so
the
data
is
often
missing.
D
The
different
companies
are
supposed
to
directly
interact
with
each
other
and
and
in
the
best
case,
only
use
data
that
they
have
received
directly
and
then
use
that
data
for
their
own
internal
lifecycle
analysis.
This
is
what
this
is.
The
rough
explanation
of
what
primer
really
means
underlying
this
whole
network
I
mentioned
that
wbcsd
is
especially
active
in
the
cleaners
gas
protocol
and
it's
one
of
the
core
authors
there.
Of
course.
First
of
all,
there
is
a
a
methodology
which
is
called
Pathfinder
framework.
D
I
will
come
to
that
in
a
second
which
is
defining
what
primary
data
here
really
means
and
what
accurate
data
means,
meaning.
How
are
you
supposed
to
calculate
these
numbers
right?
How
are
you
supposed
to
to
calculate
how
much
of
your
data
is
actually
primary
data
so
to
say,
and
so
that
you
can
report
on
what
is
called
the
primary
data
share,
meaning
so
to
say
relative
to
the
absolute
emissions
reported
to
your
product?
D
If
there
was
let's
say
a
primary
data
share
of
50,
that
would
it
would
mean
that
for
50
of
these
emissions,
so
to
say
you
have
primary
data,
so
it's
it's
awaited
by
by
the
emissions
and
the
the
relative
primary
data
share
that
you
get
there.
So
it's
awaited
some
over
all
the
inputs
that
you
got
basically
and
whether
they
were
primary
data
or
not,
and
so
this
primary
data
shares
actually
a
statement
of
the
whole
supply
chain.
D
It
goes
relatively
end
to
end
how
you
calculated,
which
is
really
nice,
because
Prime
datashare
gives
you
a
kpi,
of
course,
that
you
can
take
a
look
at
and
let's
say
what
what
margin?
Should
you
add
on
the
on
the
where
you've
reported,
meaning
for
say
what
imprecision
should
you
assume
here
and
on
the
other
hand,
of
course,
it
also
is
a
nice
kpi
to
understand,
to
which
extent
your
supply
chain
is
digitized
in
terms
of
the
product
level,
carbon
reporting
right,
because
you
cannot
have
a
high
primary
data
share.
D
I
see
no
one
asking
so
again
just
to
bring
home
the
point
that
this
is
about
P2P
data
Exchange
here
is
a
very
simplified
explanation
of
what's
actually
happening.
Let's,
let's
say
imagine,
there's
so
to
say
tier
one
producer.
Let's
say
I,
don't
know,
Plastics
granola
that
you
need
to
produce
a
certain
packaging.
This
was
tier
two.
D
It's
actually
very
simple
right,
in
other
words,
similarly
to
how
the
products
are
flowing
literally
from
company
to
company.
It
is
assumed
that
the
data
is
also
flowing
right
there,
there's
that's
what
I
meant
was
peer-to-peer
direct
data
exchange,
so
0
talks
with
tier
one
and
the
only
detail
that
so
say
tier
zero
has
is
who's
tier
one
and
what
is
other
products
that
we
get
from
them.
D
But,
of
course,
tier
zero
doesn't
know
anything
about
tier
2
from
a
data
model
perspective,
but
also
from
a
data
flow
perspective,
and
we
can
talk
more
about
that
later,
maybe
in
the
second.
But
what
I
try
to
highlight
here
is
that
again
this
peer-to-peer
nature
and
that
they're
so
to
say
no
third
party
involved
here
at
all,
at
least
at
the
conceptual
level,
there's
no
data
being
stored
in
intermediate
storage
facility
or
network
service
whatsoever,
or
any
other
approach
that
you
can
think
of.
D
A
B
D
Of
course
they
must
be
able
to
store
certain
a
product
level,
carbon
information
from
tier
one
for
the
internal
accounting-
that's
for
sure,
but
they
have
no
further
visibility
into
so
to
say
the
supply
chain
of
the
tier
one
company,
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
say
and
also
no
other
party
theoretically
has
this
type
of
insight
only
tier
one
would
have
that.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
so
so
so
the
data
that
is
being
changed
and
stored
is
is
more
like,
as
I
was
trying
to
say
was
it
was
email
right.
D
B
D
This,
yes,
yes,
serious
and,
and
then
I
have
a
guy
will
talk
more
about
it's.
It's.
We
have
already
commitments
from
from
various
bigger
companies,
for
instance
like
sap.
They
have
openly
committed
to
that
standard.
They
are
actually
already
offering
that
that
part
of
their
carbon
footprinting
solution-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
companies
and
and
Etc,
but
you
also
have
or
something
that
I
would
like
to
highlight
here,
and
it
was
saying
that
in
either
case
be
a
to2
or
tier
zero.
D
It
is
supposed
that
companies
are
also
building
in
our
Solutions
and
we
actually
see
that
so
it's
50
right
now
of
the
like,
like
literally
50
in
in
the
last
the
last
time
we
did,
that
type
of
market
assessment,
50
of
the
members
of
of
the
puck
Community
I,
were
saying
that
they
either
consider
building
an
inner
solution
or
have
already
started
doing
so
in
the
latest.
Real
World
I
would
say
piloting
that
we
did
a
couple
of
months
ago.
D
We
actually
had
two
companies
participating
with
their
own
in-house
solution,
so
we
we
really
actually
optimized
for
that.
That
has
many
reasons
that
I
don't
want
to
go
into
that
yet,
but
yeah
we
really
strive
to
optimize
for
that,
and
we
think
this
is
actually
important
for
the
well-being
of
the
community.
D
Any
other
question
on
that
slide
or
may
I
just
continue.
I'm,
sorry
that
the
introduction
takes
so
long,
but
it's
actually
there's
there's
a
lot
to
like
to
to
explain.
First
I'm
afraid
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
more
complex
project
right
now,
okay,
so
when,
when
we
think
of
pact
as
a
as
a
project,
we
we
actually
think
about
three
different
tiers
which
are
important
to
to
distinguish
because,
as
I
said
like
we
are
we're
not
trying
to
run
this
as
a
sort
of
say
project
with
a
limited
lifetime.
D
But
we
really
want
this
to
be
a
sustainable
project
in
the
sense
of
that
we
hope
that
without
Cena
or
without
any
of
the
original
members,
this
project
will
go
on
and
we'll
continue
to
deliver
value
and
they
will
be
continuously
companies
and
other
stakeholders
participating
and
and
interacting
with
that
bigger
project
to
move
it
forward.
So
right
now
we
are
primarily
talking
about
100
core
stakeholders
that
are
being
engaged
this.
D
This
number
is
actually
growing
quite
a
bit
as
we
speak
and
might
actually
already
be
no
longer
correct
right
now,
when
we
talk
about
core
stakeholders,
we
also
talk
about
other
industry
initiatives
that,
for
instance,
one
is
cutting
eggs
latinx.
This
is
a
big,
a
big
part
of
the
European
car
manufacturing
industry.
D
They
alone
have,
if
I
remember
it
correctly.
More
than
100
different
companies
as
participating
member
companies.
So
Katina
is
a
member
and
so
to
say
stakeholder
of
the
Pathfinder
ecosystem,
and
this
is
why
we
get
so
to
say
from
100
stakeholders
to
more
than
2
500
represented
companies,
because
so
to
say,
we
have
these
multipliers
in
that
bigger
ecosystem.
D
D
D
Actually,
tomorrow,
the
version
2
of
that
framework
will
be
published,
which
will
also
be
a
major
milestone
for
for
the
for
the
overarching
community
and
with
the
version
two.
We
also
expect
things
to
be
settled,
a
lot
more
meaning.
The
last
release
was
I
think
in
March
last
year
of
the
Pathfinder
framework,
and
now
we
we
also,
we
are
making
some
gradual
changes
to
the
data
model
with
framework
version
two.
D
D
B
D
D
Okay,
as
I
mentioned
yeah.
So
so
the
framework
is
the
methodology,
meaning
the
accounting
principles.
But
this
is
really
just
a
larger
PDF.
That's
nicely
written
I
think
it's
not
my
work.
That's
why
I
can
say
it
is
super
nicely
written,
very
approachable,
and
even
if
you're,
not
an
sea
expert,
you
can
go
through
it.
You
can
understand.
What's
going
on,
you
understand
how
to
apply
it.
It's
it's
really
really
approachable
work
and,
as
I
said,
it
would
be
also
released
in
public.
D
D
I
mean
the
copyright
is
on
wpcsd,
but
but
we
have
open
source
MIT
license
demo
implementations
of
the
taking
specification
and
and
whatnot.
So
we
really
strived
for
everything
that
you
see
here
to
be
as
open
and
approachable
and
freely
usable
free,
also
as
a
as
an
SN
beer
to
be
freely
as
freely
usable
and
permitable
as
possible.
D
As
I
mentioned
like
you,
can
only
tackle
the
scope
3
problem,
if,
if
everybody's
able
to
to
participate
in
in
exchanging
the
necessary
data-
and
this
is
why
we
make
everything
as
open
as
possible,
the
pathway
network
is
what
you
just
saw,
meaning
it's
a
realization
of
the
Pathfinder
framework.
If
you
want
into
software
plus
additional
specifications
needed
to
drive
forward
interoperability.
D
A
D
D
Can
I
can
look
that
up
afterwards
and
provide
that
so
sap,
as
I
mentioned
they
openly
committed
to
that
Sage
is
a
particularly
interesting
one,
because
they
are,
of
course
targeting
a
completely
different
group
of
companies
more
like
a
smaller
end
of
things,
so
long
tail,
literally
Sage,
that's
very
interesting,
I
point
as
a
life
cycle,
Analysis
company
from
from
Germany
and
I
know
that
circular
tree
has
presented
here
in
the
past.
Yes,
the
beginning
of
last
year,
I
believe
right.
D
So
so
what
are
our
so
to
say,
resources
and
deliverables
that
we
that
we
have
so
far?
We
we
try
to
not
over
complicate
things.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
current
specifications,
you
have
a
version
two
upcoming
aligned
with
the
Pathfinder
framework
version
2
release.
This
will
be
released
to
the
public
in
mid-February
the
the
updated
technique
specifications.
D
They
are
really
about
defining
the
data
model,
how
it's
encoded
the
Json
very
simple
and
they're
super
super
super
simple,
HTTP,
rest
API.
So
again
we
try
to
not
be
super
Advanced
here
in
what
we
do.
If
you
take
a
look
at
it
at
the
first
time,
you
might
even
like
I'd,
be
surprised
that
it's
so
minimal
and
that
there's
probably
a
lot
of
things
that
you
would
expect
missing
from
the
taking
specification.
D
But
that's
that's
on
purpose,
because
if
there's
one
thing
that
we
optimize
for
and
realize
in
the
beginning,
is
that
as
I
mentioned
this
this,
this
challenge
is
so
big
in
terms
of
Scopes
Mission
accounting
like
as
I
said.
Imagine
you
are
a
company
and
you
have
80
000
different
suppliers.
How
do
you
make
them
report
data
in
a
certain
way
if
they
never
did
that
before
I
mean
that's
a
huge
challenge?
D
Also
the
technical
assumptions,
of
course,
that
we
make,
but
also
the
of
course,
the
tooling
we
would
and
and
I
would
like
to
talk
more
about
that
in
a
second.
But
essentially
we
we
do
think
in
a
very
minimal
way
and
that's
also
why
they
are
effectively
no
real
Network
Services
there
at
this
point,
because
we
think
it's
more
important
to
people
to
to
really
try
this
out
to
to
work
with
it
work
with
our
suppliers,
educate
them,
etc,
etc.
D
So
so
this
is
it's
our
current,
singular
Focus,
but
again
with
a
very
interoperability,
focused
lens,
meaning
you
want
to
enable
that
type
of
data
to
flow,
irrespective
of
where
you
are,
and
what
you
do,
or
to
give
an
example
there,
for
instance,
some
networks
were
using
blockchain
as
an
underlying
substrate
to
maybe
exchange
product
data,
but
but
what
do
you
do
if
you
want
to
exchange
the
data
with
with
companies
who
are
not
part
of
that
Network?
Yet
right?
D
This
is
where
we
kick
in
with
our
technical
specification.
This
is
also
where
many
projects
are
looking
into
us
so
to
say
to
to
connect
with
the
rest
of
the
world,
because
no
matter
I
would
I
would
argue,
no
matter
how
big
your
network
or
your
group
of
companies
is.
There
will
probably
always
be
more
companies,
not
onboarded
to
your
network
that
you
still
want
or
need
to
exchange
data
with.
This
is
where
our
specification
kicks
in.
So
you
can
see
here
we
have
tried
to
write
some
kind
of
developer,
focused,
introduction
material.
D
You
can
find
it
at
GitHub.
You
can
also
find
the
technical
specifications
at
GitHub.
You
see
them
linked
over
here
and
what
we
recently
also
published
is
so
to
say,
as
a
more
like
a
request
for
comments,
literally
type
of
way,
which
we
call
data
model
extensions
and
this
data
model
extensions.
We
describe
how
to
how
to
say,
extend
the
card
data
model.
We
have
in
a
way
that
we
hope
that
it
still
enables
interoperability.
D
So
it's
again
a
very
minimal
definition,
but
with
data
model
extensions
we
actually
making
the
first
step
towards
say
ex
can
extending
the
footprint
of
what
we
do.
We
already
have
several
initiatives
committing
to
creating
data
model
extensions,
and
let
me
briefly
give
an
example
of
what
I
mean
with
that
right
now
we
have,
as
I
said,
we
have
focused
on
product
level.
D
You
know
scarce
emissions,
I
hope
that
in
a
couple
of
months
we
might
have
a
data
model
extension
related
to
let's,
for
instance,
let's
say
a
water
footprint
of
a
product
right
say
a
certain
product
categories
which
are
very
water
intensive,
where
it's
interesting
to
understand.
What's
what's
the
water
usage
is,
or
let's
say,
the
logistics
industry?
We
are
working
with
them
to
create
a
data
model
extension
so
that
you
can
based
on
our
current
data
model.
D
You
can
also
use
it
to
exchange
Logistics
related
emissions,
because
there
are
various
products
where
Logistics
emissions
are
actually
major
factored
sometimes
60
or
70
percent
of
the
overall
carbon
emissions
make
or
come
directly
from
Logistics.
So
they
again
also,
of
course,
may
be
interested
in
getting
primary
data
data
from
the
logistics
industry.
D
B
D
B
Yeah,
just
a
quick,
quick
question,
so
I'm
just
trying
not
to
understand
conceptually
I
mean
what
pack
pack
to
pack
to
change
and
since
there's
no
really
underlying
Network,
which
makes
it
really
easy
for
anyone
to
adopt
and
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Would
it
be
fair
to
characterize
what
you're
talking
about
as
like
a
messaging
language
or
sort
of
a
messaging
language
framework,
yeah.
D
I
mean
okay,
yeah
yeah.
Is
it
yeah?
It's
it's
more
like
a
combination
of,
let's
say
the
an
RFC
that
explains
how
how
you
can
exchange
emails
and
in
the
second
RFC
explaining
what
should
be
in
an
email
and
what
it
means.
This
is
what
we
mean,
this
data
model
and
semantics,
and
actually
we
published
it
as
once,
but
but
of
course
you
can
also
just
take
the
data
model
and
use
it
in
a
completely
different
context.
Go
ahead.
B
Yeah,
no,
no!
No
thanks,
I'm
going
to
be
reading
through
the
documentation
more
detail
today,
but
there
was
just
one
follow-up
question
regarding
you:
showed
your
stakeholders
and
I
I
didn't
look
at
it
in
detail,
but
had
have
you
do
you?
Are
you
aware
of
any
engagement
with
institution
called
carbon
Finance
Labs,
specifically
a
project
car
called
carbon
ml
or
Carmel,
which
is
called
carbon
markup
language?
B
D
B
As
I
I
think
we
we
had
a
meeting
with
them
last
week.
That's
why
I
brought
it
up
and
we're
actually
sharing
some
of
the
work
we've
done
on.
You
know
actually
building
a
blockchain
network,
that's
similar
to
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
I'm,
not
going
to
dive
into
that
now
for
sake
of
time,
but
yeah
I
think
there
will
be
a
lot
of
interest
from
that
team
and
that
we
could
help
us
out.
B
D
That
later
no
no,
no
that's
perfect
I
mean
you
are
almost
so
to
say
getting
ahead
of
the
very
end
of
my
talk,
because
it's
the
type
of
information
you
just
gave,
and
the
type
of
connect
you
want
to
make
is
exactly
where
I
am
here
today.
Let's
follow,
let's
say
one
of
my
hope
and
principles
of
of
what
I
like
to
present
here
today.
What
we
do,
because
I
I
really
believe
in
that.
D
This
is
this
is
one
of
the
themes
that
we
will
be
focusing
on
very
much
this
year,
I
mean
we.
We
want
more
initiatives,
companies
Etc
to
know
about
the
work
that
we
did
and
the
status
of
it.
So
hoping
of
course,
that
it's
being
adopted
in
one
way
or
the
other,
but
because
a
little
bit
more
into
the
details,
as
I
said,
like.
A
F
D
F
C
F
D
I
see
I,
see
what
you
mean.
I
will
thanks
for
letting
me
know,
I
can
I
can
I
can
actually
provide
a
link,
probably
towards
the
end,
to
that.
To
that
framework,
that's
actually
the
end-to-end
greenhouse
gas
reporting
report
is
actually
coming
from
sfc,
so
It's
Curious
that
this
download
link
doesn't
work.
So,
let's
take
for
reporting,
I
I
didn't
even
know
that
they
put
it
online.
Obviously
so
so
that's
that's
really
appreciated.
Thank
you.
Now,
I
get
you.
E
C
G
You
yeah
I
haven't
looked
at
your
resources
yet
so
maybe
the
answer
will
be
in
there,
but
I
just
thought.
I'd
like
to
ask
at
the
standards
working
group
with
a
working
group
of
this
special
interest
group.
We
are
looking
at
exactly
the
semantics
and
the
data
models
that
different
methodologies
and
accounting
paradigms
used
and
I
was
wondering.
G
Do
you
guys
perhaps
have
an
ontology
that
sets
out
the
entities
that
you
understand
to
operate
in
the
space,
the
properties
and
the
relationships
between
those
entities,
because
I
mean
to
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
dates
model?
You
have
to
have
a
certain
understanding
of
the
market
and
how
it
functions.
So.
Do
you
perhaps
have
like
an
ontology
diagram
somewhere.
D
G
D
A
D
D
Yet
what
has
been
published,
especially
in
terms
of
data
models,
data
model,
extensions,
meaning
all
sorts
of
technical
specifications
that
are
needed
to
to
build
topical
Solutions,
but
also
to
have
space
where
the
solutions
were
now
to
be
interoperable
and
have
been
tested
by
the
community
can
be
found
so
that
there's
literally
a
Marketplace
to
it
with
Marketplace
I,
don't
mean,
there's
a
buy
button.
But
there's
more
like
a
link
that
you
can
click
on
where
you
can
find
more
information.
But
there
will
be
a
neutral
index
on
Solutions,
meaning
software.
D
It
has
a
question
from
from
James
I
believe
is
the
first
name,
I
I
guess
regarding
the
pharmaceutical
industry.
Yes,
and
no
I
mean
there's
together
for
this,
for
sustainability
participating.
We
have
lots
of
pharmaceutical
companies
that
was
intact,
but
I'm
not
entirely
sure
of.
What's
going
on
this
to
get
the
full
sustainability,
which
is
very
much
active
in
the
pharmaceutical
and
chemistry
industry,
space
in
terms
of
methodology.
But
what
I
know
is
that
at
least
from
together
for
sustainability,
they
see
come
and
aim
to.
D
Well,
honestly,
the
issp
work
I'm,
not
so
much
involved
with
and
I
cannot
tell,
but
so
far
my
understanding
is
that
issp
is
mostly
working.
A
corporate
level
reporting,
you're
sort
of
say
working
at
a
different
scope
and
level,
but
that's
something
that
cannot
possibly
comment
on
at
that
point.
I'm
sorry
James
asked
you
to
answer
that
question.
D
Any
other
question
otherwise
I
would
just
continue
with
the
roadmap.
That's
fine,
okay,
nobody
raising
their
hand
and
we'll
just
continue.
We
also
working
on
on
more
like
Network
level,
Services
right
now,
which
are
related
to
network
identities.
As
I
said
right
now.
Right
now
we
do
point-to-point
integration.
Oh
there's
actually
another
thing
right
now
we
are
doing
point-to-point
integration
as
some
call
it,
meaning
it's
really
like
one
party
exchanging
the
details,
look
in
details
Etc
with
each
other
and
then
doing
the
data
exchange.
D
They
have
test
Suites
that
you
can
run
against
your
browser
implementation,
for
instance,
and
something
like
that.
We
also
aim
to
build
in
this
year
so
that
whenever
you're
building
something
in-house
so
say
you
don't
need
to
resort
to
other
vendors
to
do
durability
testing.
But
you
can,
let's
say,
do
80
90
of
the
test
work
in
an
automated
fashion.
Let's
say
during
your
product
development.
D
It's
just
some
of
the
highlights
of
what
we
are
going
to
work
on
on
the
more
technical
front.
Of
course,
there
will
be
much
more
alignment
with
various
standard
setting
bodies,
for
instance
with
the
issp
other
initiatives
Etc,
but
that
so
it
tastes
more,
like
community
work
that
I
actually
haven't
presented
or
haven't
prepared
any
slides
of
just
a
brief
wrap
up
of
the
project.
Let's
say
what
what
we
have
achieved
so
far.
D
We
ran
several
pocs
and
Pilots,
as
I
mentioned
there,
even
one
was
run
without
park
being
involved
at
all
in
Japan.
It's
a
pretty
a
pretty
big
pilot
testing.
Actually
real
world
data
has
been
exchanged.
This
is
a
surprisingly
huge
step
if
you
ever
did
that
in
a
larger
multi-stake
multi-stakeholder
project,
I
mean
it's
easy
to
exchange
so
to
say,
fake
or
made
up
data
with
each
other,
but
but
it's
a
different.
It's
a
different
world.
D
If
people
are
exchanging
actual
data
right,
this
is
like
a
step
from
from
one
to
a
hundred
in
terms
of
complexity
and
what
it
means
to
do
that,
at
least
it's
to
our
experience.
This
is
why
I'm
highlighting
that
actual
data
was
exchanged
during
the
piloting
testing
as
well.
It
was
it
was
actually
in
September
this
year
already,
since
then,
a
lot
of
more
tests
have
been
have
been
conducted.
Also,
several
of
the
biggest
let's
say.
Rating
companies,
like
Eco
Wireless,
for
instance,
is
also
going
to
implement.
D
D
I
mentioned
that
there
are
17
plus
Solutions
being
implemented
already
or
committed
to
it's
actually
more
these
days,
because
more
and
more
companies
are
reporting
to
us
that
they
have
started
doing
this,
so
the
number
is
actually
outdated
already
like
what
is
I
believe
really
important.
As
I
mentioned
companies
are
building
in
our
Solutions.
D
Apart
from
that,
we
are
really
focusing
mostly
on
Interpol
data
Exchange
at
the
technical
level.
It
is
so
to
say
that
this
whole
initiative
is
industry
and
geography,
agnostic,
that's
actually
a
big
win.
So,
as
I
mentioned
for
this,
this
initiative
together
for
sustainability,
they
are
working
in
a
specific
industry
domain,
but
they
all
know
that
all
of
these
companies
within
that
domain
have
suppliers
or
customers
who
are
not
immediately
part
of
that
business
initiative
right.
D
Are
you
know,
active
in
five
different
Industries
industry
initiatives,
but
really
clear
yet,
but
to
make
a
long
story
short
so
to
say
bye
for
these
companies
committing
to
pact
so
to
say
it's
in
a
certain
business
interest,
because
it
means
that
no
matter
which
initiative
they
will
be
end
up
being
in
or
been
using
software
from
being
able
to
exchange
information
that
they
need
with
all
the
other
initiatives
and
companies.
It's
actually
a
big
win
for
them.
From
an
operational
perspective,.
D
The
key
industries
that
we
are
getting
Traction
in
that's
that's
really
complicated
to
say,
because
we
we
did
end-to-end
testing,
but
what
I
can
say
is
that
really
significant
traction
seems
to
be
in
the
tier
ones,
the
tier
one
companies
and
tier
zero
companies
like,
for
instance,
the
big
multinationals
like
say
we
never
PNG
and
others,
and
but
they
are
not
industry
specific.
In
that
sense,
unless
you
say
that
fmct
is
an
industry.
D
So
that's
really
hard
to
to
to
say
right
now,
where
I
think
that
would
be
most
successful
in
that's
that's
something
that
we
will
find
out:
I
guess
in
the
next
years
and
then
there's
a
question
again
from
James.
Whether
participation
can
be
adapted
for
organization
white
ght
measurement.
For
that
you
mean
corporate
level,
teaching
accounting
James.
This
is
correct.
D
C
D
We
want
that
type
of
data
models
and
also
API
definitions
to
become
part
of
the
catalog,
so
that
eventually
the
community
can
Implement
adopt
it
and
that
other
entities,
be
it
Regulators
or
be
other
standard,
Setters
or
or
companies
can
find
out
like
who
is
implementing
that
who
is
end
ordering
that
so
to
say
and
and
why
more
or
less
right.
So
after
that
we
are
work.
So
we
are
right
now
working
at
a
more
meta
level
to
to
enable
that
type
of
thing
to
to
happen.
D
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
there's
also
already
standardization
work
being
done,
at
least
by
the
EU
as
part
of
the
corporate
sustainability
director,
that
that
there
shall
be
an
Interpol
data
format
for
corporate
level
account
and
Reporting
purposes.
So
so,
if
you're
interested
in
that
super
happy,
I'm
super
happy
to
connect
on
that
afterwards
because,
as
I
said
like
it's,
it's
a
very
relevant
topic,
but
we
are
not
really
engaging
with
yet
so
because
we
are
really
just
focusing
on
product
level.
So
far,.
C
D
Oh
so
there's
a
question:
if
I
may
repeat
that
that's
a
reporting
of
supply
chain
data
require
data
transparency,
more
all
parties
of
the
supply
chain.
No,
it
doesn't,
and
the
data
model
also
doesn't
disclose
to
say
deeper
supply
chain
mortgage.
It's
only
reporting,
absolute
values
and
no
no
further
details
so
to
say
down
the
line,
at
least
in
the
the
standard
data
model.
D
B
D
D
So
I
mean
there's
there,
there's
there's
one
thing
that
I
want
to
do
that
really
get
I
want
to
get
across
from
that
section,
and
this
is
this
is
not
a
very
abbreviated
way
to
put
it.
That
may
be
also
not
very
motivated
and
proper,
but
is
this
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
a
software
person
and
for
a
large
part
of
my
life
I
thought
that
software
can
actually
solve
a
lot
of
issues.
D
Maybe
this
is
more
like
an
old
white
man's
opinion
now
and
feel
free
to
ignore
it,
but
the
more
the
older
I
guess
I
get
the
more
I
believe
that
the
problems
are
almost
always
not
a
technical
problem
at
all.
They
are
more
like
people
and
organizational
excuse
and
that
people
should
be
very
cautious
in
claiming
that
technology
can
solve
something.
I
I
I
tend
to
believe
that
almost
nothing
can
be
solved
as
technology.
D
It
can
only
be
enabler
for
having
something
resolved,
but
it's
eventually
the
people
and
organizations
and
making
that
happen
in
the
institutions
and
and
all
the
different
stakeholders
that
I
understand
that
enumeration.
The
biggest
thing
that
everybody
keeps
talking
about,
be
it
karma
any
other
data
factor
in
the
sustainability
spaces
data
quality.
D
We
have
some
ideas
with
how
we
can
maybe
improve
that
quality
in
a
technology
driven
way,
but
at
best,
maybe
let's
say
that's
a
15
of
that
overall
problem:
I,
guess
it's
more
like
in
the
single
digit
space,
but
really
nailing
data
qualities
like
that's
the
big
elephant
in
the
room.
That's
why
we
care
so
much
about
primary
data
and
the
current
project,
because
it's
it's
not
a
solution
to
the
challenge,
but
it's
the
first
step
to
getting
to
higher
quality
data
right.
D
It's
have
a
high
primary
data
share
with
every
data
that
you
get
us
but
not
correct.
It
doesn't
get
you
anything
right,
but
let's
say
driving
for
more
direct
directions
in
the
supply
chain
and
because
of
fashion,
get
more
direct
data
that
is
or
fully
measured
in
a
more
dependable
way
will
get
you
there
right,
but
again,
not
an
ultimate
solution,
but
a
step
further.
D
But
to
get
there
you
need
people
to
change
their
behavior.
So
that's
the
actual
challenge
right.
You
must
change
how
companies
work
internally,
that's
probably
the
biggest
challenge
you
can
possibly
have
and
that
on
a
worldwide
scale,
even
though
you
will
not
have
direct
access
to
all
the
different
tiers
in
the
supply
chain
that
you're
affecting
this
right.
So
that's
a
huge
challenge.
D
D
So
we
need
software
for
that
regard,
and
here
maybe
the
situation
is
I,
don't
know
50
50,
but
again
it's
more
like
a
guess
and
I
would
like
to
talk
more
about.
Why
I
believe
that
scaling
SCI
experience
is
actually
one
of
the
biggest
problems
right
after
data
quality,
but
again,
if
when
I
mean
we're
scaling
up
or
when
I
talk
about
scaling
up
icx,
please
I
mean
you
only
have
a
minute.
D
Just
for
that
single
thing-
and
that
applies
to
a
lot
of
domains
right
now-
right
the
more
scrutiny
Regulators
put
on
certain
areas
of
the
economy
in
terms
of
sea
analysis
in
general,
probably
the
more
of
that
explosion
will
happen
and
there's
a
negative
and
they're
so
to
say
negative
externalities,
of
course,
right
the
more
complex
these
rules
are
the
higher
the
cost
would
be
to
implement
them,
but
it
also
means
that
smaller
producers
are
effectively
excluded
from
certain
markets
right.
So
that's
it's
more
than
just
it's
eia
cost.
D
D
What's
the
regulatory
cost
for
SCA
and
similar
and
Reporting
or
generally
corporate
level,
reporting
needs,
but
this
is
really
a
big
issue
that
I
think
also
tech
industry
should
be
working
on
I,
believe
and
but
but
of
course
it's
just
so
much
they
can
do
here
and
then
the
huge
Desi
continuously
huge
challenge
that
we
that
we
see
with
every
company
almost
of
any
size
like
let's
say,
500
people
Plus.
You
have
these
huge
data
integration
issues
internally
to
do
any
sorts
of
reporting
duties,
especially
at
product
level.
D
D
But
again,
as
I
said,
like
the
punch
line
from
my
understanding
is
that
we
are
really
mostly
talking
about
people
in
the
organization
and
consensus
problems
right,
I'm,
not
talking
about
tech
issue,
so
so
much
which
is
really
funny,
but
sometimes
at
least
in
the
public
eye,
and
then
the
technology
could
focus,
seems
to
be
a
bit
too
much
and
and
just
to
repeat
the
data
quality
change
really
is
like
the
big
elephant
in
the
room.
I'm
pretty
sure.
You
also
talked
about
that
in
the
past.
D
In
that
special
interest
group
here,
multiple
times.
We
are
super
concerned
about
that,
and
because
every
project
that
is
out
there,
blockchain
based
or
not
be
attacked
or
not.
We
are
all
affected
by
that
right
and
the
best
infrastructure
in
the
world
won't
save
us.
If
the
data
quality
isn't
there
right.
If
there's
garbage
entering
the
system,
there
will
only
be
garbage
coming
out,
no
matter
how
sophisticated.
D
This
is
why,
so
to
say,
we
I
even
didn't
talk
about
so
much
about
about
blockchains
or
whatever,
because
I
believe
that
the
problems
exist
way
earlier.
So
to
say
in
the
in
the
the
in
that
whole
Space,
one
or
two
things:
I
I
really
focusing
on
this
year,
as
I
said,
which
I
believe
is
super
relevant
and
important,
is
to
have
cross-initiative
exchange
and
Alignment.
D
That
I'm
speaking
here
today
is
basically
my
the
way,
first
of
all,
not
to
align
but
to
show
what
we've
been
working
on
and
requesting
for
more
Exchange
in
the
future.
Is
your
community
there's
this
famous
communist
law,
which
is,
as
you
probably
know,
saying
that
to
say
the
the
architecture
of
a
system
is
or
references
the
way
you
with
how
you
communicate?
In
other
words,
if
you
have
two
different
communities,
not
communicating
with
each
other
most
likely,
they
will
come
up
with
two
different
independent
taking
the
specifications
or
approaches.
D
In
other
words,
they
will
most
likely
not
be
interoperability
between
these
two
communities
whatsoever.
So
if
we
want
probability
or
data
flowing
between
different
communities,
we
really
must
work
on
or
we
must
connect.
First,
that's
what
I
meant
with
a
technical
problem
in
most
cases,
but
even
the
technical
problem
is
more
like
a
people
program.
So
the
people
problem
with
regards
to
durability
is:
we
must
first
speak
with
each
other
and
that's
sometimes
already
pretty
hard.
D
The
cost
the
sea
cost
is
so
high
that
I
believe
most
companies
cannot
afford
it
right
now,
simply
as
that,
but
they
can't,
but
they
must,
and
they
must
be
equipped
doing
that.
So
we
must
lower
the
cost
by
at
least
a
factor
of
100
and
probably
more
than
that,
and
of
course,
lowering
cost
by
a
factor
of
100
doesn't
go
easily,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
definitely
involved
software,
but
it
involves
more
than
just
software.
D
Definitely
we
need
to
automate
that
knowledge.
That's
for
sure,
and
similarly
to
this
making
scx,
but
he's
accessible
is
also
the
flip
side
would
be
that
to
have
ready
to
use
software
that
works
for
the
long
tail.
So
where
we
like
to
look
at
this
with
that,
we
we
say
that
so
say
the
WordPress
moment
for
our
industry
hasn't
yet
happened
right.
D
So
we
need
that
type
of
Wordpress
as
well,
for
or
let's
say
for
everything
else,
yeah
and
carbon
counting
right.
This
has
yet
to
happen.
So
we're
really
calling
out
to
the
community
to
build
that.
Please
and,
of
course,
what
we
also
think
is
important,
at
least
from
our
perspective,
is
to
extend
to
other
sustainability,
related
Dimensions,
speed,
Water
by
diversity,
Etc
and
yeah,
I.
Believe
it
as
that,
and
of
course,
let
me
say
everything
that
that
we
do
eventually
will
be
a
will,
be
an
open
technique,
specification.
D
Everybody
can
Implement
them
to
take
a
specifications
today
and
can
become
part
of
our
community,
and
all
I
can
say.
Is
that
please,
if
you
have
some
time
and
you're
looking
in
the
space,
take
a
look
at
what
we
did
consider
implementing
or
decorating
with
what
we
are
doing
and
if
you
have
questions
of
course
feel
free
to
get
in
touch
with
us
and
ask
questions,
that's
what
we
are
for
all
right
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
think
that
many
people
on
the
call
will
be
following
up.
The
I
will
be
following
up
with
you.
I've
got
a
couple
of
different
kind
of
initiatives
that
I
think
you
might
be
interested
in
and
I'd
love
to
explore,
how
how
I
and
how
the
Stig
might
support
the
new
work
that
you're
doing
get
involved
and
start
kind
of
bringing
together
the
different
initiatives
in
the
networks,
because
I
think
you're
exactly
right
and
it's
it's
just
very
encouraged.