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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 142 - Day 1
9-10 November 2018, Bangkok, Thailand

Agenda available here: https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/meetings/142/

A

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Okay, thank you. Any declaration of conflicts giving the the agenda we put together.

B

A

B

I'd like to recuse myself from PIR and discussion, Thank.

A

You district John: can you capture that done? Okay, perfect! Thank you any other day, okay, good moving on to the actual agenda, and we have proved actually the new rules for a building like you know, last time, and that has even, as you know, great flexibility, because now we can improve things in a faster way. So we have a bunch of resolutions here that we approve it by a vote. So we need to basically well document them. John.

C

There's 11 resolutions there in the agenda you've already all the trustees and we already voted in favor of them. So presumably you know what they say and I will agree with Gonzalo that not having to do these 11 things in Christie gives us a lot of work a lot more time to do your work.

A

Okay, perfect Ted.

D

As an observer, I'm, somewhat surprised by the resolution that I'm going to Kathy Brown to the executive committee at.

C

The we passed that last summer at the time it.

E

C

Still correct and Kevin and I scratched our heads and decided that, since we appointed her in her role as CEO, she magically has transmuted into into Andrea for the reason for the rest of the committee's tournament.

C

Thank you for explaining yeah.

A

I need any other question. I mean this is. This is not like passing. The resolution is documenting them. That's why sometimes they are a bit late um when we believe that that they should be documented right away. We we yeah, but this one basically and fell through the cracks, so that that's the reason, but thanks for paying attention, Ted, okay, so the next one.

A

We have a consent agenda, which are things basically that we agreed to, but we haven't evolved on them or we have an approval yet so moving on to point number three Kevin, so do you want to introduce that John?

A

Is there consent.

C

Agenda yeah yeah I mean the two items on the consent agenda are things that we've already discussed by email? One is commend the nominations. Committee charter and the second one is to appoint a member of the trust, since the trust a couple of days ago changed its rules to allow us to appoint somebody directly. So the two and the two resolutions are in your agenda again. The trustees of all all discussed them, so I would propose a vote by show of hands.

A

Okay, before we make the motion any comment.

A

I'll give trustees 10 seconds, okay good, so we need someone to move erase moves and speaker seconds. So we're gonna pass a resolution as John proposed by a show of hands, so everybody we're gonna vote. Yes, no one abstain as usual um trustees. Voting. Yes, please raise your hands trustees boating know any objections.

A

Yeah so Kevin did he or she say something: I actually had to drop off. Okay, so so we have pepper, is not here here, oh she's, not here. Otherwise everyone else voted. Yes, so the resolution passes and I'm. By the way we can inform the idea of leadership. We have here that we have appointed Jonah being today to the ITF trust or two years right, yeah for two years, okay, and then we known to point number four in the agenda, we would like to welcome the rejuvenated chapter and the Colombian chapter.

A

So we have a second here, the resolution to to welcome them. John, you want to read that or I can okay. So the resolution says that is resolved that the ISO Board of Trustees warmly welcomes their rejuvenated Colombian chapter to the Internet Society I suggest we positive resolution by acclamation.

A

Good, so we caught that man now we are five minutes ahead of schedule, which is great okay. So now, as I said before, we're gonna receive some reports from the IE tech community. So we are very happy to have you know the Church of the you know: ITF LLC, IAB and I th er, so we'd have elicited and I'm Glenn and thanks for for coming so I guess we're gonna start with land and Ted and Alyssa and roughly I mean you.

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A

A one-hour envelope, you want me to kind of, let you know at the 20 minute mark or you want to handle the time yourselves or.

G

Minutes: okay,.

A

Good, so please go ahead.

G

Kevin next slide, please so I don't think it comes as a surprise. The ITF was restructure itself away from whether they're being turned into now the ITF administration LLC, which is a terrible name by the way. Let me know that's your place, so this is the background why we did it. You know we had a lot of experience over the last ten years after the original I asked is structuring that the idea put together.

G

We had a great working relationship with I sock, but there was some straining places in our ability to operate, and so, after a lot of discussion, it was actually concluded that the best way to do it would be to give the IHF a little more independence.

G

You know it's especially run financials and its ability to sign contracts and operate for itself slide. Please so.

G

It happened on August 27th. The papers were signed and filed from Delaware, so we're now a Delaware LLC. We are in terms of iStock. We are disregard entity, our financials will ultimately roll out for tax purposes up through I sock, but we are able to operate and have our own bank accounts and sign contracts, as I said. So it's a good relationship. It's.

G

So how does this actually work? So the LLC is a deterrent, a device like and it's a member orientation, so I stock is a sole member of the organization. I stock has decided that as part of our agreement that the day to day operation will be overseen by a board of five directors. Those five directors are made up of three are selected by the ietf dot-com.

G

What is the point about I sock and one is selected by the iesg and the process right now is on going to select those people I've already selected Sean to the year appointee. The IHG is we'll wait till the dawn comes finished, restructure the IHG make whatever decision they want to make. That's their business and the NomCom is underway right now selecting three nominees: either they have a slate of seventeen and the right. Now there is soliciting feedback on those nominees 270 nominees.

G

So, in the interim what we did is created the interim board and we decided to pick the chairs of the Ison supporters. Will seize the IAO, see the Ivy.

G

Sg1 one thing I learned for that is, you know they said well you're. The guy who's committee is going away, so you get to be chair thinking. People are very, very busy and then say to them now that you have to sit down to a lot of board. Work has made scheduling meetings on my private, very, very challenging with all these very busy people. Well next slide, please!

G

So you know part of this restructuring. It's a cultural change, so the IOC in the past was very hands-on in many ways and a lot of thought that wasn't the appropriate level for the volunteers to be engage in it, and so part of this research means there's. This new position called the IGF executive director and, while Portia, who has been serving as the interim IAD doing, a very similar work over at ITF has now taken on the role of interim IETF executive director.

G

The new position is actually a bigger role that it had before the ID, because there now the idea is that the board will be an executive oversight. They worry about strategic budgeting. They were worried about strategic direction for the LLC. They will not get involved in the micromanagement and the micro doing that the IOC had been guilty of that some times in the past. Those are much cultural changes around here, so portion will be serving as the interim ITF executive director and when the full board is seated at I tip 104.

G

The plan is, then that they will put out an executive search operation and you'll find a permanent it--if executive director. For that role. The other little glitch we had was part of the changer was to get rid of the IOC which, in the past and dummy you know the the administrative operations for the ITF.

G

When we got into the weeds of this, the you Torino there's a small glitch, which was that the I chipped trust the requirement to be a trustee required you to be a member of the IOC, and we then realize if we, the sunset the IOC, the IHF Trust would have no eligible members, and so the next exercise was to go off and update all the trust agreements which now been done and we were able to hold the trust meeting this week approve the changes and the IG did their their approvals.

G

And so now we were able actually shut down the IOC and still have ITF trustees, and so that's now been done and the new process for selection trustees is one will be appointed by Sauk. Only appointed by iesg and three will be appointed by the ITF NomCom, which is really opening looking for our candidates. They have to. They need three. So if you're looking for some extra work, here's your opportunity, it's also very Melanie,.

C

And their two other operations jump.

G

C

It's it's a small amount of activity.

G

Okay, next slide, please!

G

So what are we doing? What's changed? Well, the IOC we shut it down the other night official meet. We gave our ways and their plaque got every photographed, and so the IOC is dead. Long live the IOC to do that, we of course had to change the traicee agreements and wheels had to also start moving the work from the IOC things like meeting venue, selection, budget preparation.

G

That has all been now done, and so we were able to catch it closed everything down the other big follow in there is, after it closed and the students work. One of the big things is the contracts you know traditionally or historically, the ITF could not sign contracts you couldn't enter into its own. Any contracts I saw did that on behalf the ITF.

G

Now that we're entity we have a legal team, that's going through each of the contracts in the language of them and do a reassignment exercise, and so it isn't simply. You know flip it over. Sometimes the contracts that specific language mate had to be renegotiated or change updated to reflect the change that it's going to move to the ITF LLC and all the targets that we have done. We're trying to get done by year-end, we'll see so we're right right now, word selections underway.

G

Their goal is to seat them by ITF on a for next March. The the overall philosophy of the current board is to keep the lights on not make huge decisions that we don't have to make. Just you know have to prepare it and get it on the right path. When the full board is seated, they can start taking over and doing the hard work.

G

To that end, one of the things we had to do was complete the ITF 2019 budget ahead of the full board, and that was an interesting exercise because a couple things that came out of that one, we had to anticipate what the board might want to do and put in the funding into that budget to give them the freedom to do it, because we don't want them to have to come next March and the very first order of business is to restate the budget, and the other part, of course is in which you guys I guess we'll take a look at later.

G

This weekend is the ice, our contribution to our reserve fund, which is where ITF is getting at the core of its initial reserve problem, there's a calculation that it's depend up on our budget and then a number of pops out. In the end, the bank accounts we have an arrow of banking and we open we're like becoming like grown-ups and the other part of the course is. You know with this reserve contribution. We also have some investment money just like ice. Like has your investment requirements.

G

We have to take that money invested somehow and so one of the other operations discussions we have to have when we meet in a couple weeks as a board, is to do the initial setup of that and get it prepared so that when I sock is where you transfer the money, there's a place for it to go and the operational cost rad strategy for man money until the full-bore descent and a varsity. Of course the contracts are being reviewed and recent and that's it any questions. Thank.

A

You Len any questions to blame. I think that was a very good summary of where we are excellent.

G

Thank you, fellow board members. True.

A

You had the whole board here, he's the four of us jump, I.

C

Have a question we contemplated moving over the ietf trust which but which, which, due to the sort of the unfortunate way it's worded, might be difficult. Have you ever given any thought to that? Yet? No, okay, it's fine where it is indefinitely. So it's not like it's a big big issue.

A

Okay, thank you very much then um so. Moving on to Ted.

H

You can skip this long.

D

So this slide is one you've seen many times before. If you've been on the board or been an observer at board meetings, it's a description of how the IAD relates to AIESEC. It's a reminder to the community that, in addition to being part of the ITF, where it helps the standards processes Nikhil's chain and helps the ITF relate to the wider world, we're also here to serve you as a source of advice or technical guidance.

D

If you should need it, we do that in part by issuing statements to the rest of the world and in in important in direct collaboration with AIESEC staff, there's a liaison from the SI border to the IAB and one of the paths of communications through that museum next slide. Please.

D

So, since the last time we presented reports to the board, there has been a significant change in our process. After the last ITF, there were requests to the IV to make its agendas and its board meetings public and more transparent. This was in part because the community was surprised about the appearance of a a meeting which was turned off around the evolution of the arts.

D

The editor series- it was something were a number of the different streams that produce RFC's, had become concerned, that there wasn't enough flexibility and perhaps experimenting with new output formats would be a good idea, and so we brought that to the community.

D

Given the timing of that, there wasn't a lot of time for the community to process it, and they they requested that the ID in future make its agendas and it's 8 meetings open to the public to to allow people who wanted to follow a particular piece of work. For example, the RFC editor series and its oversight to look at the agendas and decide whether they wanted to attend a meeting as an observer. So the IAB worked out some logistics for that, and it is now done.

D

The links you have in these are both to the agendas themselves and a calendar entry which allows you to follow calendar, which will tell you what the DIF and agendas are for any particular week.

D

There is still a carve out here as you'll see in the next slide, a good bit. What what the ITB does is to focus on liaison relationships, and there are a number of appointments which are made for those and as personnel issues those needs to happen in executive session. So there are still executive sessions for the IAD which are not available to observers, but they typically happen at the end of a meeting. So we have the public portion first and then go in to attend the other things that have occurred.

D

His recent activity, two of the long-awaited workshop reports, have occurred. Rc 840 8477 was published with the results of the Internet of Things semantic interoperability. Workshop RFC 84-62 is a report from the managing radio networks in the nutritive world workshop, and these are hideously and inappropriately late they're, both over two years.

D

After the workshop was actually held, and so the IAB is looking very hard to see, if possibly, we should adopt some different working methods on producing these workshop reports so that they can appear in a formal or timely fashion, in particular, we're looking at trying to make sure that the original web presence for a workshop, which contains the collection of people who are attending the call for papers and often the papers which were submitted for consideration, could be the venue of which we hope through we host the workshop report itself, so we're trying to combine those two and there's a call-out to the Internet community of ITF on my RTF for comment on this.

D

As part of the transparency we were talking about before. One of the other pieces of recent activity were ID comments on the Australian assistance and access bill. That is fairly rare for the IEP. To make a direct comment on a piece of legislation.

D

We occasionally respond to requests for comments from governments on different parts of the internet ecosystem, but this was one that was brought to our attention by two of our members who happen to be Australian and who raised quite serious concerns that if, if it continued along its current path, there was quite a risk of fragmentation and certainly a risk that the trust infrastructure on which the upper layers of the internet rely would be severely compromised or damaged.

D

So we did decide to take the unusual step of making commons, which we then repeated in a later stage of the process.

D

Our preference in cases like this is to make a general statement and then to draw the attention of particular governments to the general statement and we're still in the process of working out whether there is a general statement to be made here. It's a little difficult because the contextualization is pretty specific to proposals made by the australian government.

D

But the two folks who were most involved in in drafting that martin thompson and mark nottingham are still looking at what are also to make a general statement for the future.

D

So, as I mentioned port, the one of the things the diagnosis make appointments, a couple of those that were recently done, Tim was, in ski, was pointed to the CCG, which advises the IHF trust. This is a body that was created during the IANA transition to allow the other parts of the the ICANN ecosystem to have a voice. In speaking, the I kept trust when the I Anna I PR, was transferred to the trust.

D

Olli Jacobson was reappointed to the ican NomCom and we refreshed the membership of the RFC series Oversight Committee. This was something that had been planned before the discussions which took place at the last at IKEA one or two around the RFC series and then, and the new set of folks are ready to tackle some of the larger issues which face here. Some solutions.

D

There are several additional calls for volunteers currently out by the IAD, we're looking for volunteers for the I can't tlg or the IAD plenary planning program and the air TF chair. The ITF chair, as you know, is pointed by the ID and its current incumbent.

D

Alison Menken, has let us know that she will not be standing for another term. Typically, I RTF chairs do serve for a number of term suppose it takes some time to ramp up, but in her case she found which was not able to balance the Chairman's pendants in the long term, so we're now looking for another one. This is a particularly important position and point of view, maybe certainly compared to some of the smaller ones.

D

We do because it's really the person who both acts as a visionary or the research agenda for the IRT F and somebody who makes sure that it's a day-to-day operations work. We've tried to support that second, one by getting Secretariat support for the IRT F certo, to enable somebody to be more focused on vision aspect, but it's still something where it's it's a bit of a combined effort and as a volunteer one, it's quite a significant amount of time. We will issue the call for volunteers for the ice headquarters, trustees on November 13th.

D

The timeline has been set to align with the Greater elections could eat on line, so the appointment there will will sync up with the rest of the ice type Board of Trustees elections. Can you work? um The other two things which are forthcoming are calls for participation and in two workshops.

D

One is a joint workshop with the w3c knees tag. It's it's called the skate because we'd like Qt names, but it's actually an interesting piece of work, because it's trying to look at the impact on the publishing industry of signed exchanges and web packaging. You may be familiar with Google's, amp or similar things which take content, which was originally published by one group and make it faster or more available by repackaging it and giving attribution. It's been somewhat controversial in the publishing community.

D

There's been a sense in which, because it recontextualizes the information, it may be making it harder for different publishers, especially for the smaller ones, to keep people within their own own contexts, and so this is in part looking at that aspect of it, but there's also a reuse of the same technology in in the avoidance of censorship.

D

It's possible to use this to pass information through multiple channels and still attributed to its original authors. So you can take information that was originally derived from a source of news or data, that's not available in a particular territory or to a particular individual and make it available. So the kind of combination of those two is looking at how the publishing industry and how the impact on censorship merge or diverge in the development.

D

The other workshop site is focused on consolidation and asymmetry. This is also work that Isaac is taking on and that we've coordinated some olux team Donoghue and the the focus here is really on information asymmetry. We see that there's been a great deal of consolidation and a number of aspects of the internet and and while the internet technologies themselves allow for both federated and quite decentralized infrastructures.

D

The utilization of a common set of services for these has driven network effects that has made that they are effectively centralized that you know, that's not part of the internet architecture, so we're looking at both how the the economics of this work and at how the technology of it might change in order to allow other forms.

D

Particularly platform publications would occur and, as a result of this, this is been somewhat more difficult to put together, because our reaching out to economists is reaching out to a very different community in in many ways our contacts there are not nearly as wide or as deep as their technical community, and so the development of appropriate papers that would actually get the right participatin from that community have been in a bit of a struggle. That is the rest of the sites.

D

I believe are all background material which the board is welcome to review at its leisure, a review of the programs and mailing lists, etc. Certainly not something that we need to take. But if there are questions, I'd be happy to thank.

A

You ted um yes, that mention I mean please note the the fact that one of the appointments is to a point. You know one person to this board and I mean which are knows this, but we always reminded.

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A

Incumbent needs to actually reapply if he in this case is willing to to serve another term, and we encourage people to you know volunteer. In any case, it's always good to have a good full of candidates.

C

In that recontextualization surveyed, in which they're ready pushback from publishers who are convinced, you were trying to steal their valuable drm content, for is that.

D

So it's suddenly a case that there are publishers who are concerned that the content is no longer being attributed to them and if there is planning on driving revenue, for example, from ad impressions on a particular page that might change if it's repackaged, Hong Kong, so there's definitely an economic piece to that as well. For DRM, it's slightly different in the common case. The DRM wouldn't allow the information to be successfully repackaged because it wouldn't be viewable by somebody who didn't have the right keys. Well,.

C

I'm thinking there are places were like, they give you limited access and you can download the watermark PDF.

D

So the watermark PDF issue has not come up with okay, if you'd like to to send a comment on it, certainly to send it to IE d.

D

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You I'm Richard.

I

10, it's really to thank the idea. First work on this Australia encryption bill. It is it's a hugely important issue and I think in the industry, siding from the ISO oxide and some glad to see the IV involved. It's clearly having an impact, and especially in coordination with my son thanks.

A

What maybe I mean? It's not my question, but you know I get asked very often in the IETF. um What is the involvement of of basically not being our president with the IAB, because it used to be that you know lean was basically not joining all the time. Then we had all up here. So I think if you guys clarify how you are doing this for the community. That would be useful.

A

Certainly we can do so for the.

D

Board's information some time ago, Kathy made the decision that, rather than attending herself, she would find the appropriate members of her senior staff to do that. So it was Matt, Ford and Olaf for a period of time. Now it is Karen or Donahue, and occasionally Olaf as well um and and realistically, what that does is. It gives us a consistency over time, because the attention of these people can kind of be directed on this, rather than taking the travel schedules of the both previous and current CEO it into account.

D

It can be more difficult for the president and CEO to consistent. Obviously, there are other relationships of the president/ceo to the ITF, the president/ceo names, the head of the NomCom, for example, and so we certainly expect that that structural set of relationships will not change with the incumbent change. Okay,.

A

Thank you, Lisa.

J

So, as Ted mentioned our currently it's on this Karen O'donoghue and I just wanted to say that it's that's been a relationship that has worked out very well. You know kind of flag, just flag things early on then I thought it's working on and brought them to the attention of the ivy I. Think it's very effective relationship. I said on the ID as well, so because.

D

Yeah and and to make clear that liaison relationship is, is not a single source of information. Earlier this week, for example, Konstantinos came and talked to us about some of the extraterritoriality work that he's doing and which dovetails to some of the comments we made about Australia. So there's a war of a dispatch function which is going on there, where the the point person who's the liaison may connect us to different parts of I saw later in the week.

D

Both Matt Gordon and Sally came to talk to us about what had happened at plena pod and to get input from us. So it's it's definitely an important piece of consistency, but it's not the only part of the job yeah.

A

Thank you, I think yeah many people were asking so I think that was a very good summary thanks a lot any other question for Ted before we move on to ELISA excellent thanks a lot Ted ELISA, please.

J

So I don't have the slides and I'm just talking so I thought what might be useful today would be to give some highlights of the recent activity in the IAF's technique for and then also just talk a little for a moment about a few areas. We've been working on around diversity and inclusion inside the ITF.

J

So for the recent technical highlights, a lot of the ITF work is a lot of the work of the most interest is centered in four areas: right now: security and privacy, automation of network management, evolution of the transport layer and IOT, so I'm just going to run through those for in security and privacy. We had a huge milestone in August, so this year we published the new TLS 1.3 protocol transfer layer, security 1.3.

J

This is probably the most widely used security protocol on the Internet. Many people are involved in this process, I'm much credit to them, and it makes some some really significant advances over the previous version, 1.2, so deprecated, some cryptographic, algorithms that are known to be vulnerable.

J

It requires perfect forward secrecy, so you get new keys each time and if, if data is previously collected, data is breached. Finning can't can't decrypt it with new keys and it reduces the latency of the protocol. So we need some more performant. This is a huge huge effort in the IETF and outside join the people from outside did formal validation of protocol.

J

All kinds of tremendous effort went into that and in the first three months of its deployment, I'm seeing more more deployment in the first three months since the standard was published, then TLS 1.2, so in his first five years, so I've gotten a little bit better at tying the incentives to deploy these things to the design of the protocol.

J

Another upcoming milestone will be the publication of standard Acme. Richard has been involved in this. Acme stands for automated certificate management environment. It's a it's a protocol to make it easier to to manage certificates and folks may have heard of a new certificate authority that was created a couple of years ago called. Let's encrypt gives away free certificates unless it refuses that the Acme protocol they were kind of designed together also in the security area.

J

We've recently published two new transports for DNS DNS over TLS and DNS over HTTPS, and these don't change the core DNS protocol, but they provide for encrypted ways of transporting the DNS information on the Internet, in particular between local clients, on your machine and recursive resolvers and there's support already for both of these. In many many clients and many server implementations you're running an under machine there.

J

Yet I wanted to mention this in particular, DNS or HTTPS you're, likely to see it in the news and coming months as some ways that that people are talking about to playing. It are potentially slightly controversial and there's an interplay with the discussion that that Ted was mentioning about consolidation on the internet. So it's just an area to watch. And lastly, in the security area, we have a new, a relatively new working group message: layer, security MLS, which is focused on key management for group messaging.

J

So, as we have noticed through messaging applications like whatsapp in signal on have become extremely popular on the Internet and they're, not standardized, and this will not standardize the actual messaging protocol but will provide a standardized way for managing the encryption keys. We have participation in that group from Google from Facebook whatsapp from wire Cisco. So what's the major players are there?

J

So that's kind of the latest tidbits on security and privacy network configuration and management people may know that we have this technology called yang, which was standardized some time ago, and it's basically like the next generation configuration language that allows network operators to manage and configure their networks in an automated way.

J

So, as opposed to having to do everything manually when you have billions of new IOT device, is on your network that just doesn't work, we needed a new tool set to be able to automate that and create software and create api's that can manage the networks for you. We've published 75 yang models in the IETF, thus far, there's about 200 more in the pipeline. That's like a major, a major wave of change too.

J

For those who aren't familiar with the scale you just see like yang exploding all over the ITF right now and that's that is likely to continue for for the foreseeable future. In particular, we have a set of documents that are nearing completion right now, which are focused on on telemetry I, just kind of a key component from the industry right now. So we have all this information that comes off your routers and switches.

J

That's firing off information about the network and we needed a standardized way to publish that information and to collect it, so that operators can then analyze it and have real-time understanding of what's happening on the network. So those documents, and particularly one of their the phrase you might look for- is yang Bush they've been in development for a long time and finally coming to completion. And then the last thing I'll mention here is just that.

J

The board may remember that last year, I think the eye is she wrote a note to humans, olive a shared with the board about getting some funding for something called the yang catalog, which is a tool set that has been developed by volunteers in the IHF community, which basically helps with the deployment of Yang.

J

So it helps operators understand what are all these dating models out there yang has this property, where the models can be very interdependent, so one model can augment another model, and you end up with this huge complicated dependency graph on the yang catalog allows people to visualize that graph to understand the status of the different models to search based on different metadata fields.

J

It's basically just a set of tools that create a means for operators to to makes it easier for operators to use yang, basically because it's a bit of a complicated technology, so we were looking for some funding to continue that work, because I'm a big project and and wanted to sort of use it as an experiment to see if the ietf itself could develop some software. That would help the deployment of idea technology.

J

We didn't quite get there on the funding from the board, but we ended up with some funding coming through a different source based on a platinum member of I sock, and so we've been able to kind of fill in the gap for a few months here and then as of next year. According to the budget that the LLC has is in the process of working on we've, we've budgeted to be able to support that work in 2019 and we have a developer who's going to continue on on contract. Working on that next area is transport.

J

So people may be aware that there's a revolution going on in the transport layer of the network, a new protocol called quick, qu IC, which was originally developed out of Google, but has been in progress in the IETF for for some number of years, and this is kind of a major development, because it's not very often that the nutrients where protocol gets deployed can get deployed on the internet.

J

So we've standardized a lot of them and not many of them have been have been deployed widely other than TCP and UDP, but quic is expected to be deployed quite widely.

J

The key features of quick are that ease of deployment is basically designed in such a way that you can get it out onto the network more easily again focusing on reducing latency, which is you know, a big motivator for for web companies in particular, and it's the entire protocol is encrypted, always so, there's no unencrypted mode and it encrypts the transport headers, which is a new different feature from from the way that TCP is deployed. So again, here we have very wide interest in this work.

J

All the major web companies involved all the largest content delivery networks, major browsers and there's already like 15 implementations of this people working on interrupts in between the meetings and hoping to see progress towards publication in this protocol sometime next year. There's also lots of follow-on work to quick, which is already being contemplated, so people looking at running HTTP over quick, run running WebRTC. They a web-based real time protocol stack 10 and we've done so.

J

There's there's lots of further work, that's anticipated in that area and then, if I'm gonna come to IOT, so an IOT, we have we're basically spanning kind of every every area of technical work, that's related to IOT and is within the network stack of the IDF we're doing it. So, in particular, there's been a strong focus on security. Lately, we've been looking at how to do software updates securely for IOT devices and also how to leverage trusted hardware so that so as trusted Hardware has become more common in the marketplace.

J

We need new portables to figure out. How do you actually interact with it? How can you get an application boots draft off of it I'm sort of a couple of new working groups? Looking at that, we've also been looking at networked basic network based security, so people may have heard of a soon-to-be published protocol, which is called mud, manufacturing, usage descriptions and the idea of mud is that so it's a means to allow the operator of the network to figure out which protocols the device is supposed to be speaking.

J

So you know your light bulb is probably not intending to send email. If you, if you, if you find that it is that's probably a problem, so the mud standard is, is a means for essentially determining what you should be expecting from a device set that enters your network. We have a bunch of work as well around getting these devices onto the network securely and in a way that makes sense so lots of IOT devices they have. They don't have any security credentials that they come with.

J

They have no knowledge of what the local network is going to be they're, intended to be deployed in many different kinds of environments, and they have no user interface that you can that you can interact with. So we have a couple of different proposals in that works. One of them is affectionately, called brewski ers, ki, BRS, ki, bootstrapping remote, secure key infrastructure, which is again this kind of means to get severely onto the network.

J

Even when you have you know, sort of starting from nothing and another one, which is you little bit more reusing, some of the authentication protocols that were developed originally for a mobile context and then, lastly, at the network layer, we have a bunch of work going on to sort of unify, unify and create a unified framework for getting devices networked over different kinds of lower layer technologies. So things like Sig, Fox, Laura y son, there's lots of these different, lower layer.

J

Networking protocols we wanted within the within the context of ipv6 provide a uniform way for these devices to be networked regardless of what the underlying protocol looks like. So lots of lots of different efforts and energy there on IOT on diversity, inclusion, we have a few different kind of new things that that we are doing as of this meeting. Actually so I thought the board might be interested in that one is that we have relaunched our our mentoring program for new people to the IETF.

J

It's now called the IETF guides program, so this was kind of on hiatus for a little while or trying to, we were trying to figure out how to make it more effective and get new people leading the program. So this here at this meeting, was the first time that that we that we did at this ITF guides I think it was still starting kind of fairly small small scale but hoping to grow it in the future.

J

Now we also have I think just better communication in general between the internet, Engineering steering group, the IHG and the folks that I saw who work on the Fellows programs to the IETF. So we now have someone on our in our group: Alvaro Ratana who's, one of the routing ADEs who's, been working closely with Nile Harbor on Terrell's team.

J

Just so that we're you know we keep in touch better about who are the fellows, who are coming, how many of them? What are their areas of interest that this meeting is you probably know?

J

The program was also expanded to to provide financial support just for the meeting registration fee for five people, so they're not really part of the Fellows program, but it's more people who are, you know being encouraged to attend with a small, a small subsidy and we're just you know, trying to tract what those people are interested in and and make them feel welcome in the eye-fi I met, one of them at the hackathon and who's very enthusiastic and and I ran into him in the elevator the other day, and he said you know he was you know.

J

The hackathon I said literally saw him like the very beginning of the meeting first day, and he like sat down, found a group to work on some web RTC stuff and then last night, very end of the meeting he's like heading to a side meeting at 7:00 p.m. so he had the full experience of the idea, which I think is great and then also this week.

J

We had in the IDF plenary discussion a rather lengthy Q&A session about whether or not the IDF is welcoming to new people and what we can do to make it more welcoming, especially to newcomers, people for whom English is not their first language and and so on and I think. The leadership will be taking back a lot of the feedback that we heard and I'm trying to figure out how we can make make the IDF a more welcoming environment.

J

A

That's I mean that's a very comprehensive summary of what happened. So thanks a lot. I think. That's, that's really useful. Do we have any yes Olga? Thank.

K

You to the three of you was a very clear explanation of all the great work that you do. I have a question about mentoring, listen who are the men, Therese are the are the fellows that come fellowship are people that it's it's new to.

E

K

Environment, but not a fellow both of them, and you know how difficult it is to engage people who are not english-speaking, assess the native language. So how do you feel that it's it's changing, yeah.

B

J

The mentoring, yeah, the so the mentoring government program is open to everyone. Anyone can sign up to be a participant in it, and I know that there were some fellows who also fun for the ITF guides program. I think it's it's. It will be interesting to track. I saw a mentor with her or she was looking for her mentee at the Welcome, Reception and I.

J

Think because I suck does such a good job of getting people ready and introducing them to each other that she actually couldn't find her mentee, because she was busy talking to people who she had met through the program. So I think it's just you know as we as we go forward.

J

We can kind of iron out the details, powers, but right now it's open it's open to everyone and, as far as you know, use of use of English I think we have an opportunity here where, if we are gonna kind of talk about one, so what's something that came out of the plenary was that it seems like it's kind of time, to revamp the training that we provide to working group chairs around lots of different logistical, and you know cultural and interactive issues that happen during a working group. Meeting.

J

I think another part of that is, you know, continue to push forward on the Gordon group chairs to get the materials in ahead of time, so that people can have time to read to just be a little bit more to have a little bit of a higher oversight in terms of how people are interacting in the microphone lines. This is kind of the essence of what we talked about at the plenary and I.

J

Think a component of that is like ensuring that everybody understands what was said and giving people time to be able to respond and so on. So, hopefully, even though I think the genesis of that conversation was not about language barrier issues that all of the knock-on effects would would be beneficial for that case as well.

L

Well he's next! Yes, thank you very much. I'm really excited to see that the idea has also caught on the blockchain aspect, which is very important, because, given that there is discussion about smart contracts and smart cities with smart villages- and this is also something of interest- because I've been witched I've been approached by aetherium and they've- been interested in joining ITF in somehow, and there has been a bit of an invisible wall, they couldn't crack it. In fact, they've had some discussion as GM.

L

That's one thing that we're: where might be, you might be of interest to see if we can find ways of making it easier for them to.

I

D

Gonna take this because one of the ways that they actually tried to talk to us was with the distributed internet infrastructure research group, which was under an else to make it um and one of the issues that came up there, that caused a bit of a wall. Not so invisible is the fact that bringing working to the IGF involves giving up change, control functionally what happens when you bring work to the IGF, that's been developed outside.

D

Is you tell the idea you may make derivative work of this and that derivative work is then under the change control of the NGO, the folks at etherium found that problematic, given their circumstances, and it certainly something that can cause issues. You know in the past, for example, when we've worked with the folks who were building XMPP a there were certain standards that came into the IETF and certain standards that stayed outside as a result of the of the change control issue.

D

I think there is a possibility to continue to work together, especially in the research group here, because there's some very interesting pieces of their technology. That would go well with the consensus protocols that energy is looking at like stellar, however it it is realistic to be a bit cautious here for two reasons: one is neither that energy, nor the other working groups kind of go that fast and they're very deliberative bodies.

D

They think very carefully about what the impacts of the different technology is going to be across a variety of parts of the stack and and not just a theorem, but many of the other block chaining folks who have approached this- have either a perception that they need to move fast or because they have an initial point offering or something else that they're also doing they. They can't really give their attention to these very long-term turn up, so it it's a bit of an issue there. The other thing is realistically there.

D

There are two classes of technologies that we lump together and which aetherium in involves. One is a mechanism for recording actions, and the second is a kind of data governance and the consensus protocols or the other mechanisms that do to data governance. To figure out who can write into these particular.

D

You know essentially, public Ledger's is a separable question from how the public Ledger's work, there's already been public ledger work here at the ITF and the HTTP around certificate transparency, but the the choices there about how the data governance works are are completely separate and I. Think one of the things that's difficult is or any of these other groups to kind of keep those two things separate, because for that um their use cases are driven by that combination of the data governance method that they have and and the technology aspects of the public ledger.

D

So we're certainly happy to continue to work with the etherium foundation, but it is something where the the difference is in how we look at the technology and the differences in how change control work has made simply just saying: don't come a little bit difficult because when they've been invited in the barriers to handing the work over and having it separated in this way have really been derived from the business models or the foundational goals of the organization.

J

On that, I talked a little bit to someone who's, essentially consulting for a aetherium, and it's really interesting, because I think they are kind of at a place from the governance structure perspective that the IETF was like 30 years ago. You know he wanted to talk to me because he's like. Oh, we have all these people who are coming and they're making the same proposals that were made already it's like. Indeed, when you have like an open community based process.

J

This is something that tends to happen, and so you sort of need a structure in place to be able to figure out how to deal with that, and it's documented the previous decision. Then you can refer the person back to like you know, no we're not going to reopen the design of ipv6. It's been done since you know whatever time, but they don't have that right now, because it's all you know, it's been like a very organic process, so they have there's some features of their process.

J

They have vrc's and they're numbered and they go out to last call like it's their similarity with the IETF process. But it's it's. It's been created organically and so I think there. It seemed to me like they're at the point of thinking about you know what, where do we take this next and how do we manage the contributions when the community of interest has grown so wide, and so that's just I think separately kind of an interesting phenomenon to keep track of.

J

Even if whether the technology I mean the technology comes into the ITF somehow I was explaining, then that is maybe not an issue, because that's what the point of the idea process and it's well known, but if they do, you know, continue with their own process for the this, to kind of look at the parallels with other existing processes in the internet. Space I think is kind of interesting I.

C

Sort of I met a comment here, which is at the plenary. There was some discussion about a camp guy who came into the X, the extra working group and was perceived as being blown off. You know and I actually have, and it was actually it was actually I've known pretty well and it turned out to be a complete failure to understand the way things work. You know, and then people come up the IT up all the time and say I. Have this wonderful fabulous thing, I want you to standardize it as it's can we say?

C

No and you know, and they and they frequently perceived it as saying well, there were a bunch of 20 20 people who weren't interested my ideas for his the reality. The ITF is a very this culture. That's developed over 30 years that you know we fill a little stuff, but we adjusted we and we approve it and we don't really do it and you know we have and we have the culture of rough consensus but because I said requires people be able to say this is this is not perfect, but it's good enough and.

E

C

Lot of you job of communicating that culture to other people and when they show up you know, then people show up and they like it, doesn't fit with the culture me don't really like the explain is like it's, not you it's just like this is not. This is us if there anything sounds like the same things like here. It's wonderful, not quite so.

C

As I said metaphorically, you know it would be really nice if we had the equivalent of you must take a shower before you before using editor pool and yeah and I wish. We could figure out some way to do that. That was that didn't wasn't perceived as being exclusionary and drive people away.

J

Yeah I mean but I think it's really tricky, because the standards process is inherently exclusionary. If we were going to standardize everything, we wouldn't be worth much. The whole point like choosing standards as to is to interoperate so, but that doesn't that doesn't dictate the tenor of any conversation necessarily solution.

C

Area about products.

J

And ideas so good.

C

But I couldn't, but we hope not about people correct.

J

Yes, I mean one one hope that I have which I don't know whether this will come to fruition or not. And it's not up to me to decide. But I I hope that by setting up the LLC, we will be able to invest a little bit more in the area of training and an outreach. And this this whole area, which we currently do through volunteer efforts, which is which has been fantastic work but I just I get I, have a sense that there's a lot more that we could do here.

J

If we had a little bit more dedicated resource overtime to this, so I'm, hoping that that's something.

M

B

Make a comment: it seems like it's calling for some kind of informational. You know an RFC BCP to explain how things work. It might be helpful if you're gonna look into this problem of fun like.

A

How to take showers or night.

I

C

Well, we have the Tao of Allah ETF, which is more or less up to date. The question is getting people making people aware, but in persuading them to read it yeah.

J

We're actually doing a big update of.

C

The Dow right now so there's.

J

Stuff on the Dow of the ITF, which is sort of supposed to explain how the IETF works I think in some fast iterations it hasn't quite taken full audience into mind when, when being written so trying to ameliorate that and also thinking about how we can make it more consumable. So the editors are, you know, working with Greg wood, who provides communication support for us to write. You know, think about breaking it up into pieces.

J

It's a big wall with text right now and I think it would probably be more useful if it had a different format. Just.

N

Just to note it is a wiki right, so it's a.

J

I mean we publish, published versions.

J

A

Good I need any other question at this point.

A

Okay, but then thanks a lot, I mean to do the three of you. You know, Glen, Ted and Alisa I mean I think this was really useful and- and you know a very good use of time, because in a very short time you know all trustees, they they basically figure out. You know, what's going on so a thank you very much.

A

Okay, so moving on in yet in the agenda, we have a point number six, which is to get the they report a omak report. Yesterday they had a meeting so I'm sure that Dean cancer, interesting information with Oliver.

D

So, thank you very much. I'm James, Galvin I, think that was to be here in the room. No medium popular member of the peanut gallery today, I get to wear a more formal acts and I welcome the opportunity and thank you for we have the old Mac for privilege of coming up to talk to the Board of Trustees and gave our report. As Gonzalo indicated, we had a meeting yesterday.

D

So naturally you got a board report from the Oh Mac this morning and I'm sure you've all read it thoroughly and I really don't have to speak. Nonetheless, I'll make a few bullet points here. So if you switch to the next slide, what I did is I just had one slide with lists of agenda topics and I'll just speak to them. Kevin has a package I, don't know for sure if he has sent it yet, but I tried to do something a little different than we've done in the past.

D

There there's a notes file in there, which was taken kindly I, Anita Walker took notes during the meeting. You'll see the agenda with that was there and there's also a complete set of all the slides of reused of meetings. So essentially it's a nice package of what happened to the old Mac meeting so that you, you have the complete context and, in addition, then I'll speak here about the viewpoints, hopefully in the future.

D

If we manage to have a few more meetings between board meetings and we give an update and you'll be able to get things a little more advanced, so we opened the meeting with staff introductions which brings up sort of a difference in the way the Omak has run before. As you're aware, there's always been this issue of Omak engagement and relationship with board staff.

D

So I've been with long crystal my co-chair I've been working with the staff and with Andrew thanks very much for that think about how we might do things a little differently, so we're kind of experimenting a little bit in a way to reach out and bring more Omak members into the fold to find a way through our meetings and our meeting format and the way that staff are recording to to the Omak.

D

You know as way to hopefully bring in some people, so in particular we did not do it toward the table kind of thing, which is very popular. That meetings we go around everybody introduce themselves. I immediately chose the path of just having the staff be introduced, the idea being that people should have a way of knowing who the staff are that were in the room and what their role is, so that if they want to reach out to people, they can do that.

D

The assumption is that people who get to know who the other home act members are over time and also frankly, as a time constraint, you know I mean you've got a roomful of 40 people. It takes a while to do even just your name and affiliation, then stake more than 10 minutes and just didn't want use that much time.

D

We then moved the meeting into Andrew Sullivan created a new format for what he wants to do with meeting with the Omak and have a session called ask me anything he'd give a bit of an introduction and presentation about his vision and relationship with the Omak and such, and we just kind of opened the floor. Now it you know. Wasn't there were a couple of good questions and it's a good discussion. It wasn't an extended deep discussion, but that's okay.

D

You know we have to have to try something- and you start somewhere the next time around, and then he moved into any it over to Anita to give a presentation about the new strategic partnership for membership model, which I gather he's going to say more about here to tour and the the essence of that was just to reboot the change that was announced last year in a new membership model and open it more as a concept discussion with the Omak and just lay out the characteristics of the new things that the staff are going to try some new ideas that they have for creating membership model and open a dialogue to get more discussion.

D

So we're hoping that over time here, the staff will have an opportunity to get more feedback from folks and in any case, they're gonna try some of the things that were listed by it needed one of the things in particular. Is the staff has taken on doing a regular newsletter. Now that goes out to the old, Mac and I? Guess, that's come out three times, I! Think something like that. Every country couple of weeks it's just sort of a summary of what's going on and I welcome, that I think that's it's good transparency.

D

It's important for people to see well, we'll find the right balance along the way here about how much information and frequency you want to make sure that people stay engaged and they actually look at the messages. Well, that's one example, and then other kinds of face-to-face meetings that well the staff will organize and try to have a general with membership. So it was a good discussion and several people acknowledged and thanked the staff for the opportunity to work with them, and it was good to know that the organization had heard the comments.

D

At least you know some number of organizations national members about the new membership model that was being directed last year, so I do want to pass on. You know, thanks from the Omak that you know, our voices were heard and we're being given an opportunity to work more closely with staff to see where we could go to to make all this better.

D

For both of us I then moved into a discussion of Omak engagement for the board members who were there and if their board members who were present in Montreal, it's very similar set of laws. In essence, the key feature that trying to move towards there were two basic things that are important here: the animal MCing gaygent from my point of view, as an incoming chair trying to create a greater opportunity for dialogue and in ways to force that dialogue.

D

If we can, it's been common in in Omak meetings for them to be a bit more of information, you know from I saw to the OMAP and I really wanted to try and change that in a way to to force it to be about a dialogue and ah that move updates out of the Omak meeting take those kind of things out of the high-value face-to-face meetings. So the change that even Andrew presented and offered up- and they asked me anything yeah, it's a good way to kickstart.

D

It's a dialogue or everything's a dialogue, and everything is a discussion, and so I wanted to go through and emphasize that again in this Omak engagement model, we're creating the model that says that I sock has essentially three categories.

D

Its initiatives that it creates it'll always have work and things that it does, that are independent of membership and that's appropriate. I sock has many revenue sources and you certainly have a larger mission in scope than just meeting the needs of membership. So it will always be things that I thought will do that or both chapters and members might not have any direct relationship with, and we have to keep that in mind and acknowledge that and represent it.

D

But what we're Alton looking for is a way in which to deal with opportunities for staff and Omak. I saw your organization and the Omak to work together. So it'll be initiatives that will be joined and we need to have predictable behaviors for how those kinds of activities take place.

D

So that's a place to get to yet we haven't really resolved the process to get there, but we're looking for that to happen, and then, of course, though, we'd like to more formally create an opportunity for there to be initiatives that members want to move forward with, and you know for I saw to have a structure in infrastructure if you will and support for those things, I mean.

D

Naturally, all of these things have to fit under the scope of I socks, mission and purpose, but there isn't any reason why an organization could look to I sought to help facilitate a particular activity if it's, if it's relevant I sought to do that. So just talking about that relationship and those categories of things and over time here we're going to move towards trying to understand those particular work products and making that work. The second big thing was about meeting logistics in an issue.

D

That's always been present with the Omak is when and where does it have its face-to-face meetings for those who've been around? Well, you know that the Omak, the Advisory Council, has always meted ITF meetings in the early days was just at IETF meetings three times a year, and you know that was the only places that you met. People in overtime staff. You know, grew through that opportunity into also having meeting at ICANN meetings a meeting at IETF and some other different discussions along the way.

D

What I was trying to call out was a clear distinction between I saw creating its networking opportunities. It'll do those of its own accord from time to time and probably have a lot of them and maybe they'll have the met. Multiple ICANN meetings and multiple IETF meetings. I wanted to separate out the point of having in Omak meeting.

D

We want to have our own high-value face-to-face meetings and make them our meetings for ourselves and by ourselves, and really focus on trying to make them productive for ourselves, and this meeting that we had this time yesterday was the first, the first time in this format change what we did was we tried to conduct a survey with our Omak members on where they would like to have meetings and have these face-to-face meeting. The survey was good and dad I suppose it certainly in many ways was not statistically significant.

D

We only got 25 responses, but it was sufficient. My takeaway in the survey results was not that I didn't really learn anything I didn't know, but it was useful to observe that there are at least a set of people who all want a meeting at an ICANN meeting who all want a meeting at an ITF and at an idea, and there was essentially an equivalent set of people that found that each of those meeting sites was an appropriate place to have a meeting RSA data security was also offered in the list.

D

In the survey we had all of meeting opportunities and sites, and there was some support for that I, even though there was very limited number of people who selected that as something they wanted to do. You know. We still feel strongly that it's important to have a meeting in that spot. I suspect that's more about not having the OTA members properly integrated and welcome this as part of the Omak. Yet I mean they obviously are there they're one mailing list, but I, don't think that we get properly connected with them.

D

So, even though there was a limited desire for having a meeting there, we're still going to have a meeting in that location and in fact we got one additional suggestion for a meeting site to have a meeting which was at the mod meetings. Someone had selected that we have them there so for next year.

D

The goal here is next year will again put up a survey and the last people where they'd like to have meetings and we'll add all the mod meetings in there for 2020 and we'll see what we get from that, and maybe we'll do something.

D

A little different, the end result of all of this was to choose to have one face face to face, pool Mac meeting at each of the four events you know coinciding with each of the four events that seemed interesting to people, so it'll be one at an ITF in 2019 wanted and I can one that the RSA data security conference and then one at the IGF next year, and in fact we chose the schedule and laid out those dates and they actually accepted two of them actually match up with.

D

With word of Trustee meetings, they'll be in the same locations with the board of trustees. That'll work out very nice I do want to. You know, make sure to extend that. You do know, and you know you are welcome- that a tomac meetings, Board of Trustee members are always welcome to come in, so whoever they are in that particular locality. One interesting point that came up in the discussion about meetings was to make sure that they are open to all organizational members, even if they're not at the event.

D

The RSA data security conference was the particular one that came up because being in Silicon Valley was fair number of people in that area. So you know, staff took on board the the obvious requirement in that case, so making sure that whatever venue they set up that meeting to happen, it'll be such that anybody from the area who happens to be around to get into the minute. You won't be obligated to have been part of RSA.

O

D

Security sort that out and I know I spent quite a bit of time talking about logistics and such but I think it's an important part. You know trying to reach out to members and trying to create an opportunity for people to be engaged to be a part of things. It's a bit of an experiment, but at least we we have a model.

D

We have an action plan and we'll just see how it goes over the next year and if it works, then we'll do it again and if it doesn't work we'll think something different from following here. I think that's the best we can do right now.

D

Megan Cruz also took an opportunity to talk about the committee reboot, the OTA committee reboot, so again just highlighting to all Omak members that there is an opportunity here to be engaged to be part of things and then, of course, the last thing was Konstantinos did a reprisal of his unintended consequences of regulation for the internet as it turns out. That was, at least from my point of view, just nicely coincident and maybe an accident to have seen that presentation. In the spirit of distinguishing Omak meetings from I saw capping it's networking meetings.

D

I saw a CAD one of its networking meetings at the ican meeting Barcelona two weeks ago, and during that meeting constantinos was, you know the mean attraction if you will, and so we invited him explicitly to come to the the Omak meeting this time around it and do the same thing. Those Lamacq members who were there and we did have a few of remote participation, so I think the last thing that I'll point out in all this is we are going to.

D

We had asked for the Omak meeting to be recorded so that we have that we're gonna try to manage that announce that onto the Omak list and make that available to people.

D

I do have a package, the same package that was sent to the board earlier I, not yet send it to the Omak, but I'll do that right after this discussion here and again, just trying to report out better be a little more transparent to people an opportunity to to see what's going on and to change things, we're very much hoping that we can create dialogue, meetings at each of our Omak meetings and they could work from that respect. We will also set up a single topic, zoom televideo meetings, who are Omak meetings.

D

That was the only thing I almost forgot to mention in terms of meeting logistics I. The distinction that I want to make is for the high-value face-to-face meetings. I want them to really be a dialogue opportunity between Omak and board and the staff.

D

You know, let's sort of figure out how to make that work and how to leverage that make that available to people I see the topic discussions as an opportunity for two kinds of things there may be times when Omak members really would like to hear from aisaka that about other things that I sock is doing. So from my point of view, that's the opportunity for more of a presentation, Q&A kind of thing that might happen on behalf of staff to the Omak or, if Omak have a need and staff are willing to meet that need.

D

That would be the opportunity to do that. I really want to try to bring the Omak meetings around to a more of a dialogue, opportunity.

D

So that's my year again, thank you and I'll. Take any questions. Thank.

A

You yeah yeah I, think that was a good summary of the meeting. I I was there and I think the the kind of you know goal of making the day all my community more engaged, I think that'sthat's exactly the right because, yes, you said I mean nowadays it's kind of like you know, I'm trying to drag them into doing things so um yeah. If you need any support from us, I mean we will be more than happy to do that because that'sthat's exactly you know what you know.

A

We think you should be doing as well, so so I have Olga and Robert. Okay, so pepper and Olga.

P

Thank you. This is actually quite current. Fortunately, you know, I was trying to be there's actually not clean during meeting they wouldn't. Let me access.

P

So but one of the questions was the the actually the engagement I think at the Andrew there with many things, but a lot of the face-to-face meetings and thinking specifically of the ones are in versus in Geneva he came. There was no discussion. Nobody actually said anything. It was more that he described it. The I suck staff presenting what we're doing, but there was no sort of real engagement.

P

Was there any more engagement this time? Or is it basically one way? Because, frankly, if that's what it is, um it's not worth it because I know when we take a look at when we were in DeMuth, the cost might mean literally the financial cost of doing it, and especially and part of the problem was in the middle of who is it busy meetings and trying to get people to show up the attendance?

P

Wasn't what we had wanted, I'm just wondering, for example, at the RSA thing, IG F is next year, gonna be in Vanuatu the question which is so it's a big question about who's. Actually gonna, be there where you're, where how do you get to Vanuatu people? Talk about that right, I'd, yep, really worried about that.

P

So the question is this: is: are the same people who already go to the Omak meetings who are going to I can IGF, it said: are the only ones showing up, and is this really effective way as building the broader engagement by the Omak members and I? Think that's frankly, what we have to really be focusing on and so I appreciate the efforts in trying to get more interaction, but you know for just repeating what we're already doing, but it's not engaged and successful.

P

Why are we doing it again and again I just like to get some feedback. You people actually were there and again I apologize for not being able to be there, but I was actually fighting the unintended consequence of regulating the internet right at the plenty, but.

D

Yeah, if I may I'll say two things so about this meeting in particular, I think there were six Omak members, I mean otherwise it was really just staff and others. You know, I, don't know if that's a problem or not I mean one thing to keep in mind is that this particular idea the omec meeting overlapped with IETF meeting time in the past.

D

It has managed to be slotted in between IETF meeting time, so you know that might have impacted whether people wanted to come or not, because it might not have wanted come late and they or they might not wanted to leave early to go to the next meeting. You know that that does not have an easy answer. That just is what it is and that'll always be true. I also don't want to. You know, lose the observation that you know. Zoom is an option and we do want to keep that in mind.

D

It is true that if we don't get a significant number of physical people in a room that maybe we should just make it a zoom meeting altogether, and that brings me to my my second comment, which is for the RSA data security conference meeting. That's going to come up in March of this year, that'll be the next Omak meeting or the next opportunity to have it. It's interesting that neither crystal nor I are available to go and to chair that meeting.

D

So one of the things that I mean staff is actually offered to to host that meeting to be that the chair and moderate meeting and we've actually pushed back on that and input back and strongly, and just said you know, that's that's a nice offer and we appreciate that and it's very kind. But my my view is that this is a no Mack meeting and if Omak members want the meeting, then somebody has to step up and be the acting chair for the day.

D

And if nobody wants to do that- and we won't have a meeting which is kind of where I really wanted to get to your right. To raise the question of whether or not the meetings are productive and are we getting enough people in them and I am sensitive to that issue, and we are thinking about that and dealing talking about that with liquid staff. We do have a desire to make sure that we get a significant number of people.

D

They do do RSVPs for the meetings, and so we have some sense of who at least thinks they're coming. I think the numbers for yesterday who are much larger than those who actually came, but we're hoping that by doing a better job of reporting out after meeting one of the things I like about the zoom opportunity recording as I also asked for a time list of presentations he created so that people could easily skip forward to the spot. They want to see and not have to watch it. You know so the staff will be.

D

Do you know preparing that that zoom recording in such a way that we hope to make it useful and we'll try to track and see if people use it I I think maybe my one closing comment is just you know. Yes, Thank You Pierre. Your comment to your question, your concern. We are thinking about those things we are going to do. What.

P

Yes, to try and again I know, I appreciate that and I think that the zoom recording I think is a great innovation. That's actually think that that will help and I gotta be just interested. Maybe offline talk about it, you know so how many of the people who are getting is the are say especially given that you know it's a subset of a subset, whether that, just because somebody is there in the room and says oh I'm gonna be there.

P

I was like a meeting, then, is not necessarily the reason to say yes, if there's enough of a critical mass, absolutely yes, but I think that we really do need to focus on the critical mass issue, and you know I do think that you know the zoom meetings, some of them attended I've, actually been more widely attended and actually really good, so I.

P

You know at this point: I would, in terms of experimenting experiment more with trying to make the zoom meetings more effective and broader, because it mean just the practical matter or is whether it's an IETF meeting an IGF meeting and RSA meeting people are running around like crazy busy and they will say yeah I'll be there and then something happens and they don't make it so finding time for the virtual again. I think that the experimentation is great, but let's just try it but maybe offline. We can talk about.

P

You know how many people actually were there and why we're doing or SI.

K

Thank you thank.

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F

Thanks for the update.

K

And thanks for the efforts in in doing this, perhaps more focus to to the community. My comments are somehow focus on what the robot said, but I was wondering if you have thought about some regional perspective about meetings, apart from the fact that IETF and I can meetings do exist and many companies and when a session members do participate in these meetings. There are other organizational members, perhaps not so big as big companies but smaller from some regions, and maybe you could gather some of them at regional IGFs or some regional meetings.

K

That may may be interesting for those at an original level.

D

Thank you, I'm, sorry to have turned my focus away from you. I wanted to invite I needed to come up and speak to that. We have actually talked about that. We didn't talk about it in in the Omak meeting too much. She briefly mentioned it in response to a question during the Omak meeting, so I feel I want to be a little cautious about calling this an oh Mack thing, but in fact anita has been talking to us about some options here and I'll. Let her speak to that.

Q

Sure so, I'm one of the one of the elements of this new strategic partnership approach that we're taking I'm, one of the facets of that is looking at ways in which we can serve organization members that aren't able to attend the global events like I can IGF ITF, so we're looking at hosting some regional events, working with the bureaus to identify members and also issues relating to policy and technology that are more regionally focused so and I think you and I had a chance to talk about it and I can.

Q

But this is what we're trying to do to achieve some some community efforts, but at the regional level, because globally we don't always look at what are the issues impacting the region. So it's a strategic initiative on our part to work with the region's to identify. Firstly, what are the issues there? Is there a need to have a gathering of organization members to address some of these issues so that that's definitely in the plan for next year? Just to look.

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Q

To identify opportunities.

A

Yeah, thank you and I mean like the point pepper was making I mean. I was thinking exactly the same, even if you make it to the meeting during an ITF. You know people don't have time to prepare. There may be, you know with their mind somewhere else, so yeah I mean at least for me. I fully agree that it would work better just to have you know at a random time. You know not necessarily co-located with anything.

A

um You know I'm meeting like that so yeah, but it's good that we just um experiment and see what works and what doesn't um one thing that I would like to mention is that something that is kind of like maybe we need a cognitive shift here and andrew has been talking about that we've been discussing with Richard a lot as well, which is that maybe in the past we've been looking into like I thought and then you know like chapters organization while while well andrew has described this many times.

A

Maybe we should look at the community, so ISO is really the whole thing and- and it happens that you know, there's like you know different. Let's say sub communities, but you know not looking at kind of completely separate things like this is oryx. This is chapters. This is staff. This is the board. So maybe you know working along those lines. I think you know we could get people to get more engaged or at least look at the engagement in in a different way. So yeah we'll we'll take it from there and see where it takes.

A

D

Know I just want to add I mean I was thankful to needed, having spent some time with her during the ICANN meeting actually, and then she first started talking about this idea of how do we reach other organizations? People don't come to global events, which has got some ideas about specific ways in which to hold workshops that are more regionally focused, and so you know we she's asked for what. What is the relationship between doing that and in the Omak in particular, and so we're still trying to sort out what that really means.

D

But we definitely want to provide an opportunity to reach more organizations and more organizational members and more regionally focused instead of globally focused meetings as one way to do that, and we just haven't figured it out yet how to action that.

O

Under thanks, so one of the things here is that, more generally, we've.

O

We don't exactly provide a lot of benefit to members as they stand right, but the value to being a member being organization remember whatever is perhaps a little obscure and we like to fix that so I think Anita and the rest of the team have a number of ideas about how to how to improve that. How to make the engagement happen. You know I mean many of you have heard me say this before so I don't get any secret.

O

I think that the Internet and the industry that sort of clustered around it has a number of challenges that actually can only be solved in a sort of collaborative effort and and some of that collaboration has to come from large industrial players in the industry. Right.

O

There's no there's no getting around the fact that very large companies have a certain amount of influence and what can and can't be done, and we ought to be able to provide a forum and a community in which companies can work together on those things, because, if any one of those companies you know so that makes a statement even if it's a good one, even if it's a practical and and positive suggestion for the way the Internet should develop. So those those suggestions are often dismissed.

O

You know sort of in the political realm, because oh well, it's just self-interest and so on and and we've we've actually seen this on more than one occasion right where companies suggest well, we need to do this, or that thing and the result is that the results is that people say no. That must be bad because so-and-so is proposing it even if it's a good idea.

O

So so the Internet Society actually provides a mechanism by which we can deliver that positive outcome, I think for the internet, and it provides a way in which the companies through the organizational members could could in in fact undertake that kind of collaboration, and, if we think about you, know some other societies that have been set up along these lines. You know this is not a weird thing. Richard was pointing out to me offline on the other day that the Royal Society kind of works. This way, I don't know that we're quite that exalted.

O

But but but you know, there are other other things that I can think the various industry consortium kind of work. This way the Oh art kinda works. This way it has this this sort of mechanism that doesn't mean we're a trade association, of course right. We're not Aaron, but we have we have some of these different kinds of influences and that we can stitch them together in a useful way.

O

Then that becomes the obvious benefit that we're providing to those kinds of members, and that's the reason that I'm I'm, you know positive about on these kinds of developments. I think it's the right way to go. I think it's a way for us to develop our our various communities correctly, and it provides us also a model for how we can engage with individual members, because it's also true that our individual members are, you know, perhaps wondering what precisely they get for their check box on the website, and so you know over time.

O

I think that we can see that it's not something that you can do overnight. You can't you can't build these kinds of things overnight. People won't show up the first day, but if we get one or two victories under our belt, then you know it. It sort of creates a virtuous circle and- and we move forward that way. So that's I think this is a you know. Obviously, a positive development and I think that Anita and that whole full team at the Internet Society are are setting us up for good success. There.

P

They're completely agreed I think we should also be very opportunistic. It's not as though there's a separate Omak right. It's actually Internet Society members and we should offer so it's not necessary. Even it's necessarily a separate program or thing I mean I'm just trying to think for it may be up to me because I've been spending too much time worrying about it's going on, but you know you were there Andrew we had a great I saw perception.

P

You know, that's was not an omec event but reaching out to all of the Omak members who were there and do it would be useful to actually do a wrapper around something that we were already doing as not a separate Omak event that requires Omak people focused on their day job you know, native to you have been there, but rather with the with the staff, the I sock people, who are there already doing things, but then to actually reach out to oh mac members and oh you're, here, there's gonna be like let's get together right and then pulling in you know, Sally's team.

P

On the policy side, real value of I mean is exactly what you're talking about those the reason we're here is we care about the future of the Internet. There are issues again, it's not about lobbying, but it's using I sock as an opportunity. You mean that, right now there are informal working groups in Dubai of Internet companies.

P

Broadly that all who are all Omak members, but it's not you, know, there's it had to be done separately where this is something that you know could be done also as part of I sock, helping orchestrate that just getting people together. That is real value right, but because it's not labeled as that or there's no wrapper around it.

P

The companies that are the members that are there, don't necessarily see it as an eye socket, but I think it actually could be, and so again it's not oh mac as separate, but it's the organizational members that are part of the eye sock family and we should just, and so for example, and things like that it would be Sally's team. That would actually be leading it's not a separate Omak thing, but then feed back into medium. What you're doing justa suggested meet.

A

Q

Answer to address that your your suggestion, we're actually starting to do that. So whenever we have an idea for a plan, a pot ITF, we generate a list of who the organization members who are going to be there and if I'm not going to be there choice, it's not going to be there representing membership and community engagement.

Q

We share that list we're starting to share those lists with the staff that are going to be there so for plena pot, for example, we did share a listing of all the organization members we're going to be there because we needed some membership ambassadors who are going to be on the ground and some of those were from Raul's team and some with Ali's team. But it's just an extension of our of our overall holistic approach to managing the members and engaging the members.

Q

So we are starting to share who those members are so that when the staff were on the ground, they know who's there, and even if it's just to thank you for supporting the internet society, it's part of our all-encompassing approach to engaging with the members, even if myself or choice can't be there in person.

A

Good well I think this was a good discussion and definitely we need to continue following that, because yeah there's a lot of interest in encino Mac, basically no take off and- and you know so, yeah thanks a lot Jim.

D

Anything else yeah just one closing comment. If I may. Thank you. I just want to thank Nita in the team. It really has been a good experience and getting this started, I mean I took on this role just in time, literally for the July meeting and we've been figuring it out as we go here and I just wanted to acknowledge that you know. Team has been reaching out I needed particular to us.

O

I did want to thank her and give her credit for that and make sure that the board was aware of all that. Thank.

A

O

A

A lot Jim perfect, so moving along. We are three minutes ahead of schedule, so we are doing very well regarding timing, so we're gonna be breaking for 18 minutes, so we will be back in 18 minutes. Thank you, okay. So we are assuming the meeting at this point. Are we on line again, okay, good, so Sheila Donna? Can you hear me hello? I can.

R

Hear you can you hear me yeah? No, it works perfect. Oh thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, good.

A

So yeah so Siva is gonna. Give us a report from the from the chapters. Advisory Board and you know, Richard couldn't join either. So so Siva will take care of the presentation. So yeah go ahead. Please.

R

Thank you and thank thanks to all the board of trustees for inviting us to make a presentation, as you mentioned, Richard could not join and if Olivia could not join either so I'll be making the presentation. It's. A very brief presentation focused more on some of the chapter AC improvements and on some of the chart of changes that be proposed.

R

Kevin. If you could move on to the next slide, we have at the last Board of Trustees meeting. One of the points that came up was what improvements are contemplated on the chapter AC working.

R

There does we've been discussing various improvements, and some improvements are ongoing. For example, chapter SC is to identify new ways to choose topics that are of interest to the wider chapter community. So it's not that we want to bring up topics on our one, but race table get members to introduce topics of interest, and that is of interest to the wider community and then have limited number of topics on each call and also explore the option of emulating various models for more effective charter racing meetings.

R

Next slide, given I'll just rush through some of the first lights and other.

R

Of course, as I mentioned, we are discussing a new version of the Charter, and one of the things that we are still discussing is to ask if the term for the chapter AC SC members could be extended from one year to two years, for more effectiveness for the future scps, and one of the important points that we want to highlight is that then the quorum was set for chapter AC meetings, the wider chapter, ac meetings. It was set as 19 members, but for the chapter SC, which comprises a total of nine members.

R

The pour on the set almost the quorum is the supermajority sorry, the quorum for the size of minus 7, so 7 is too high and number so that we want to pay attention and bring it down next slide. Given and one of the when it comes to engagement with members, we notice that of the global members of members of I sock only about 45 percent of the individual members of octa to join chapters. So some efforts are needed to encourage everyone to join chapters and already staff are in the process of developing a plan.

R

Thereby individual members will be encouraged to become charter members and other minor improvements, such as using various other media for better effectiveness, apart from male, for example. What's up and so on, and one more important thing is that to make chapter leaders understand the role of chapter AC, we will have to communicate about the work and role of the chapter ac to all chapters, and so we'll do this shortly next slide, given.

R

Okay and how members chapter AC AC members to participate wherever possible, whenever feasible in regional activities and evens, and so we'll have to work on the metrics for all this and next slide. Kevin.

R

Richard had a meeting with with little ol Ely I had a meeting with the CEO at Barcelona.

R

I was late, Barcelona, so various he matters were discussed and the interaction that the CEO was quite encouraging and he was perceptive to the work of the chatter AAC, and one of the suggestions that came up was that, and it comes to placing documents or interactions with the board chappie is he will work first, that staff and one even absolutely needed the send recommendations directly to the board and also, at this juncture juncture, I want to make a suggestion that we will.

R

We will have a face-to-face meeting with the boat if possible, at least once during a year. It's a suggestion. Nextslide given.

R

And in this meeting we are bringing three topics: Manas, the broader topic of making shaft is better known, nationally locally and to help make chapters better trusted as a source of policy advice. This was also raised in the last meeting and and also also create a database of all I shock activities carried out by icesoft global, both those activities that are done in collaboration with chapters and those that are not so that chapters have a much better understanding and get better involved in the work of ice, walk and so next slide. Cullen.

R

Okay, this is the focus of this meeting. We have looked at the Charter and the Charter was drafted in 2015, and certain improvements were required, mainly in the area of improving communication within chapters and within staff and board, and to improve the participation of chapters and to broaden discussions and next life giving Kevin okay, okay, one of the okay next slide, go to the next slide. Okay,.

R

One of the closest and the charter or in the rules of procedure, says that if a chapter does not appoint a delegate, then the chapter chair shall become the delegate of the chapter.

R

Ac I mean to make it a lot of automatic process for chapters to be represented in the AC right now we are waiting for each chapter to designate a chapter representative to the chapter ac, whereas the current proposal is to consider the chapter president as the default representative and if, for some reason the chapter president does not have time to take part in the chapter AC activities, then the process of appointing a delegate is required. So right now it is on.

R

It is unnecessary to wait for that short chapter to formally say that the chapter president will be the delegate or an alternate delegate is to be appointed so because of the present Clause. We have many chapters still not represented in the chapter. Ac I think this bylaw change will get all chapters engaged and it will increase participation in the work of the chapter AC and then by law, section 5.4.

R

There is a reference that the election of the chapter AC members, will be concluded at the annual meeting, which is again a redundant process, because the election results confirm that they've already become formal members of the chapter AC. So we have to delete this reference to unconcluded an annual meeting, and there is a section 7 which is now much better burden in our proposal. Next slide, cannon.

R

This concerns operation, and these are the various. This is the text of the changes there isn't.

R

One is about conducting business by correspondence which, which is what we do we seldom meet face to face, and so the emphasis is placed on doing business. A correspondence and class 7.2 now says that any member of the chapter a/c may propose a topic for discussion right now. Topics are brought up by the SC, and now they suggested changes to involve all chapter AC members or in effect, all chapters to propose the topic for discussion and the chapter. A CSC chair will moderate to moderate the discussion and will try to find a solution and.

R

Then seven point three is about the consensus process.

R

We will normally look for consensus and the member could also request the chair of the chapter AC for formal consensus, for when there are no formal objections during the consensus called the proposal is deemed adopted and the proposal will be transmitted to the board for its consideration. Next, like given.

R

Any case it does not achieve consensus that, as if there is a formal objection, then the steering committee will request the chair to initiate a formal vote.

R

If the proposal is and approved by the voting process by the required majority, then again, the chair of the chapter AC will transmit the proposal to the board for consideration and the next class talks about meeting twice a year and improving input process from chapters on specific issues and so on.

R

Here. Here again we have talked about the chapters having the opportunity to propose topics and the rationale is to facilitate discussions by correspondence. The overall rationale is to make the bylaw suit the practical way by which we work more by correspondence and will work with the staff to find a solution on topics and at a final stage, will transmit it to the board next like given and the there is another important section.

R

So we are at a formative stage and it was just the Foundation's are still being laid and the by law or under charter requires some finer adjustments from time to time and the section 10 was a little complicated that laid down a very complex process which is difficult for the charter, a easy to go through and it was neat mostly needlessly complicated.

R

So you've simplified the section in on charter changes by saying that, subject to the final approval by the Board of Trustees, the emphasis is placed on approval by the Board of Trustees, rather than all on a very elaborate process.

R

So subject to the approval of dice of Board of Trustees, the Charter may be abundant amended by the Charter Advisory Council. So this is to simplify the amendment process. It's like.

R

So we are seeking the board approval for these changes next light, killing, okay and unknown improvements. This is the last light on and on improvements. We are trying to identify new ways to choose topics and, as already mentioned, have less topics and the models, and we are looking at other ways of increasing.

R

These are all again covered in the previous slide, and one important thing is that we are using a chapter, a seamless communication within the chapter SC, and then there is a larger chapter delegates list which funnel, which includes about 900 participants, but in between, if you are looking at chapter AC representatives, that was the chapter presidents and the or the designated representative to the chapter AC from chapters that should be a list of about hundred people, and so we will also use that list as well, and so these are in greet the various improvements that we would like to present to the board, and we in particular, would like to place the charter improvement proposal for the board's approval, and this is in brief, and if there are any questions, I would like to respond.

R

Thank you very much. Thank.

A

You thank you very much say before for the presentation, so we can maybe focus a bit on the proposal for changes that that you basically explore here. So the status from my end, as far as I can tell is that I received a preliminary copy or a copy of the proposal and I sent back some some comments.

A

So I don't know if at this point, which I mean I didn't get any any responses to, but maybe the idea is to discuss I'm here, um I, don't know if at this point you want to, you know me too sure they with whole board I I guess you know, I can serve a document, but uh but I think that you know just to to summarize the the preliminary comments I made is like I mean I. Think some of the changes here are really good and some of them are less good. They they.

A

A good change, for example, is the fact that you know the document acknowledges the the fact that you guys will work with staff to begin with and I think that will resolve a lot of issues that they don't require for time.

A

So I think that would be a very good change and and and I think, that's kind of you know the way things work in general, but I think it's good to formally capture that in in this document um the change is I, I didn't like so much they they relate to the way were a means defined and consensus is reached and assessed and define because I mean, as you know, we have been working first with aviary and with Richard, with Ollivier, with you on on getting the chapter Advisory Council to be more active.

A

So in that case this this changes was, like you know, lower in the bar to you know basically say that we have quorum. We have consensus, I, don't think it's a step in the right direction, as I mean, as a matter of fact, is actually a step in the wrong direction, because we will be basically hiding the problem. We will be saying that yeah we have quorum. We will be saying that, yes, sure we have an active Council while I think the right thing to do would be to basically try to increase the engagement.

A

We had the same issue with with we were discussing with Jim like half an hour ago with the with the organizational group, so I think all our efforts should be directed into you know increasing the engagement rather than saying. Well, since we cannot get, you know more than three guys to involve, you know to engage, we will just you know, declare victory so doesn't work, I, I think it requires a bit more discussion, then the future is.

R

If I could respond easier for me, it was on point by point. There are certain realities that we have taken into consideration. First of all, they are all volunteers, both the Charter delegates, as well as chaka leaders and the chapter AC SC representatives, and when it comes to attending a meeting, a face-to-face meeting, for example like in Panama or in Barcelona, it depended on who was already traveling to that destination and out of nine chapter, a CSC representatives, only four of us were the heir or five of us were there.

R

So even taking that, as an extreme case in normal meetings, a quorum to convene the meeting to convene the meeting and to consider the meeting as formal of seven out of nine, that is almost a supermajority permit. I.

A

Wasn't talking about that that that quorum, I agree that 7 out of 20 right I was talking about quorum for for sending staff to the board, as described in your slides. So when you can decide that that requires, for example, represents you know the the consensus of the chapters and send it to the board. So the whole point is to understand that this actually represents the consensus of the chapters not just like by one chapter or two chapters.

A

So that's that's the point I was I was trying to make the the supermajority or, or the seven out of nine quorum. I I fully agree that that's too much yes,.

R

That was the point that we are emphasizing, and we've also acknowledged that even for the chapter AC meetings, the quorum of 19 chapters out of a total of hundred us low, so I think our thinking is that that quorum should be increased a little bit depending on how charter participation builds up and then they're slightly.

R

We have to be a little more clear in our communication on the distinction between the quorum that we talked about for the meetings and the under quorum or the majority that we talks for considering a proposal approved on that particular majority requirement. I would very much agree with you and then I'll. Take back these comments to the chapter AC and play said that for attention maybe include a sentence of clarity on that and I would like to hear further comments and I'm. Sorry I interrupted you just to respond to all the points. No I.

A

I appreciate the fact that you want to respond point by point, um so I think any step in the direction that we get active participants as opposed to just you know. Passive participants would be good. That's why I was reacting as well to the fact that that we are defining a default of like you would be the representative of your chapter in the acceptor advisory board.

A

If they don't appoint, anyone would be by default the chair, but my thinking is that if a chapter doesn't even bother to send an email, saying yeah, we are appointing the chair or something I mean I. Think it's like in the engagement is as low as it gets. So so, if you could explain, what's the rationale to make that default, that would be really good. There.

R

Is a combination of factors that the problem is not not just lack of interest that would be jumping to a conclusion that the problem is more of communications and the way we communicate and right now the only method of communication with chapters is by email, and so one of the proposal system to include various media just to make sure that any message or communication from the staff or arteries he gets across to the chapters which would highlight the importance of participation, the importance of designating a representative, for instance, an until such style.

R

The proposal is to, since the chapter president is an elected representative that chapter by default, he could be considered included in the chapter AC until for another, two or three years later, when probably the communications are improved and various methods of communication with the chapters of input, this is just a thought you have open to suggestions. The chapter is, you will be open to suggestions I.

A

Mean probably, we need to discuss more this because I? What I don't understand is that if you cannot communicate with that person, I mean if you cannot get basically, yes, I'm appointing myself for appointing someone, I mean any further. Communication is gonna, be impossible, so I'm I'm, probably missing something that you are trying to resolve and I.

A

Just don't understand so I mean but again I mean these are my preliminary comments when I got the draft and I wouldn't like to kind of dwell on that, because he's not really the board view is I mean we haven't even discussed that it was just like the things that, based on our goals with the chatter advisory board, I thought it was kind of you know. um You know low-hanging fruit, so to speak.

A

So I think the next step is that I will share your document with the whole board or or coming can do that or well somebody will do and and then you know, gather more comments and then establish a communication.

A

Maybe we need a conference call at that at some point, or maybe we need to to meet with with you guys, and you know, reach our tol'vir yourself or or you know, we will see how to conduct these, but I think you know, like constructive communication, would be good, because I agree that you know fixing the document and reflecting current realities would be quite useful. um I don't know if we have any more comments from I know that you chapter people in the board.

A

They are familiar with this and probably have been following the like hospital guy I mean all of you. So any any comment: yeah, oh yeah, I.

K

I agree with you that the chapter should read and understand all the communications that, but sometimes to some chapters it may be difficult to solve. But you have several lists that common and usually what happens is that few people are the one following all the lists: that's the reality, because it's volunteer work and that comes complicated, so in a way I see value in appointing by default. The chair, because the chair in general is the one kind of looking at the whole activity of chapter and the relationship with the organization, but I share.

K

You you're concerned that that there's a finger Scylla of understanding not know, perhaps communication understanding, which is the wall of the chapter advisor committee and its role in relation with the board and with the organist and with the staff and I see value. Also in this change in in directing the the stuff, thanks to the staff and and the more things I see, but but there's work to be done there. Thank you.

A

Thank you. Okay, yeah I know that some of you are more familiar with me. So that's what I mean like a more kind of better discussion with a document in front of us would be more useful. That's Peter! Yes,.

S

I believe we have to see the whole document and to see the changes in their environment to really understand and being just one point again, which is the default position. Often chapter president as representative from the AC I think it might be okay to propose a default, but it should be actively acknowledged as long as a chapter is not even actively acknowledging that part in the AC. It doesn't make sense to me. That's my first reaction later. If I see more text, yeah.

A

I mean better capture much better than what I was articulating. My point I I'm, not against anyone performing this it's just like. If someone doesn't I mean you cannot even get an email back, saying. Okay, then it's difficult to understand that that's a step in the right direction. Anyway, then, as next steps, I will circle the document, and we can continue this discussion, which I think it's everybody would agree, is very important, Steve on anything else. From your end,.

R

Your comments are quite valid. Observations from vulgar hands, Peter as well. I'll take this all to the chapter SC, and then we will, as your proposed continue communicating with you discussing with the auditors before we formally place it for the board approval.

A

Okay, thank you see about um before before you hung got something I didn't address that you were proposing to meet with the with the board, either on the phone or face-to-face I mean we will be more than happy to meet with you guys regarding face-to-face meetings. There's a few groups that they are always kind of you know, meeting with us or requesting to meet with us.

A

The current policy we follow is that we first look at the agenda and when we have an agenda which is enough, you know fully enough or it's clear that it has topics that require or would benefit from face-to-face discussions. Then we we schedule face-to-face meetings. When things can, you know be dealt with by by phone or video conference.

A

We usually prefer that even some some of our own meetings, like the monthly meetings and board meetings, even they are conducted over teleconference, so that's kind of the carbon view, but if needed, absolutely we are open to to anything, including a face-to-face meeting when needed. Okay, thanks for everyone.

R

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Good, so the next step in the agenda is point number eight and Raul is the driver. So Raul is gonna talk about the chapter charter document so Raul. Can you hear us? Yes,.

T

Yes, I would warn me for you, but this is one is 128 here.

T

Wait for you I.

A

Mean hold on a second I will just one second.

A

Okay, yeah no I I was consulting a second with John, so Raul, please date, the floor is yours and if you guys could increase a bit Brow's volume in the room that would be perfect. Excellent, Thank, You Raoul. Please go ahead. Okay,.

T

Let me see if I can put on my video but I think no, it's not.

T

I already sent to the to the world the three procedures that the our staff put together.

T

In fact, the first one already existed and was a while everyday in the website, the process to to form a chapter, and we didn't have formal processes for moving chapters to the coronation for the chartering chapters, and we we thought that as part of all the process, we have been following the last couple of years with the information of the chapters of a Sri country with the implementation of the of the seeker for the performance evaluation system, with a roll over up the new chart chapter later.

T

So this was another piece that was lacking and and the team the chapters engagement team was working on that.

H

T

They, as you can see, there are very takes this extracted from the chapter lifted and also pieces that are aligned it extracted from the from the eyes of my loss. He has been reviewed by the chapter advisory council, a steering committee and by our legal counsel. Basically, we didn't have any object. Objection.

T

I'm not hearing you that service is beginner yeah.

A

Yeah I was checking if there's some comments in the room. Any I mean you've received all the documents that we were talking about. um I think this area had some comments, but it wasn't on these particular documents, so so so to be clear, we don't have to approve. This is just to record at you know. The board accepts these, so is Dee, just acknowledging that we will receive them. So having no comments is completely fine, but but I would appreciate if somebody would make eye contact with me and say this is okay. If something okay.

I

It seemed for their work on continuing to improve this process. Okay,.

A

Good. Thank you. Okay,.

L

So roll a ballot, yeah yeah I'd like to add my support to this effort and it's good to have something documented as follow-up.

A

Excellent, thank you so Raul um do you need anything else from us at this point? No.

T

I think that you say that the CD had equipment, but just to add some information that we we in fact we have not moved so far and in Chapter two we have not the Charter that chapters. So far, all the chapters that have destroyed itself and now proved now that we are being much more formal in the work with the chapters. There are a few chapters that are dormant and we have moved them to recommendations. Some of them will make it.

T

Some of them probably will not make it and will be the first cases that in which we will use the processes that we have, that we have put in front of you now.

A

Okay, good um any any follow up this ray. Okay.

B

Yes, I'm fine with these documents, I have a comment on the other document that we're not discussing here so I, don't know when's the appropriate time to bring that for now.

A

Well, I mean we. The thing is, like I mean I'm a bit concerned as well, because Rowlett are in a difficult time time song. So I don't want him like to be awake the whole night. We could discuss it in a Oh, be at some point. Otherwise we could discuss it with him next week in in a you know. They call about this. Actually, yes,.

B

B

17 chapters have not signed yet and that the proposed text of MOU is not acceptable for all chapters, so I wouldn't like to have this template adopted and because there's some concerns different chapters.

B

I cannot speak on behalf of any chapters I'm speaking on behalf of the UK chapter, and what we have seen is a difficulty to sign a particular article within that chapter, and we think, if you know the source is good for one goose, then it's good for the geese as well, and so I would think that we can discuss this, how to amend it and it work for all chapters. Okay,.

A

I mean we have five minutes now. You want to summarize quickly or certainly.

B

For the UK chapter in particular, there's a problem to sign the current text of the article 10, because it's dealing with the notion that the ISO global can unilaterally torn an agreement with a chapter and and for the UK directors of a limited company. It's difficult to accept an agreement in that form, and so what we have proposed is a different text asking for a 90 days notice and also for communication with.

B

So what we'd like to have is just dual process, and but there could be other I would say improvements we can do to this document, for example the place of arbitration and so on, and so there. This is really what I like to see and I. Don't know how many other chapters might have look into this issue. They have signed it. I know we're on a deadline here, but it's very minimalistic and- and this text would just get us over the line.

B

I think there's a lot of other improvements that could be looked into and I'd like to thank Joyce and Nick here can who have been in touch with the chapter over this change, but I think the board should be aware of all of this issue.

A

Thank you very much. Peter wants to elaborate on that. Maybe.

S

Yeah just to support what Desiree just brought forward. It's the same problem with the same article. Another problem was different naming and for chapter, and we decided to propose to sign the MOU with an accompanying letter dealing on these things and it's sitting on the desk of our chapter president at the moment to be signed and to be sent back, and it's still some room for improvement and the proposed boilerplate text, which would make it easier, I think for the last group of chapters to say, I'm.

A

Disappearing, yes,.

B

I think it's important to say it's not that the chapter says what I intends to do is a bad thing. It just has this potentiality of being seen and being threatening to the bylaws of the chapter itself in the country where it serves okay,.

A

um Yeah as next step, because I mean we don't have so much time now, I'm.

T

A

T

You so we have already as I report to you 86% of the chapters already time. The new charter and the the new charter is not something that was produces by the stop. It was something that was developers along one year of open consultations and discussion with the chapter advisory and cancel with its steering committee, and there were a lot of opportunities to make comments.

T

We try to fundraise for as much comments as possible and we go to a final piece of that's that it was a kind of agreement that, in fact as I say, probably there will be three four chapters that will not be able to sign because they are really dormant and that so they they will not be ready to sign their this before the end of the year, and we know that there are three four chapters that have some problems specifically with this Center that that the sea, dimension and I am very optimistic that we can address this through clarification of our intentions for modification to the chant Allah by frequency.

T

This is something we are discussing with our legal concept now and but they so I think that that that we will be if we will not be a hundred percent of chapters signing, it will be very close and we have made some adjustment to the to the text but to in order to adapt the text to the local till local legal framework.

T

In some cases, and in this is specific case, I think that I am putting the text in there in the in the in the chat the the text of the disclose the sentence, but this animation and that's I think that we see that as a way that we are not imposing the change, but we are asking for the fitness or of the changes and I think that it is not in any way. We try to think that it would not be feasible. Then that's.

T

This is why we have the chapter of I, so you can see another manage that I will not allow that. But it's not the intention to impose anything to the chapters we have not done. Never and absolutely it's a video but I think that we can clarify that and I'm very limiting that that we can sort.

A

Thank you for, and everybody can read on the screen, the the text that Raul was sharing, so okay I think well, I, guess this is a way to follow this up so which I see this year on high speed. There are already engaged in the discussion, so if you guys keep us updated and if we need to discuss this at any point, we can included in an agenda. That would be great so that at least we know what's going on and okay perfect. Thank you. The fear, I think your hands, Peter and Raul anything else.

A

From from your end, no.

T

A

Perfect, thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. So we are moving on to the next point in the agenda, which is you know, point number, nine. Actually, so we're gonna have the hour yeah Middle, East, Bureau and, as you know, I mean we have been meeting all day, all the viewers that we have on and I always say that, but I mean that's a part of day of the presentation that that the board actually enjoys and that's why we started inviting the you know: regional bureau.

A

Every time we go around the world, so we are looking forward to seeing this presentation as soon as the mic is fixed.

U

Good morning, everybody and thank you for inviting us to present to you and I think should should we stay here, yeah.

A

I mean says, has to follow you with the camera, so I don't.

U

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U

The team is really excited to present to you next slide. Please.

U

So we'll give you a background about the region and we are and what army major accomplishments were the last two years we'll give you the policy constraint that we work within in the region, and then we present to your activity plan for 2019 next slide. Please so I am salami, a moot and I'm computer engineer and I'm the original Bureau director. The policy advisor is near mean Anna Dani.

U

She is an economist and a political scientist with 28 years of experience at the government of Egypt and the community manager, Israel Gibran, she's, an architect and an entrepreneur and she'll be taking care of all the our community involvement. And yes, we are three women and no, we didn't do it on purpose, we'll just strict with it the best talent it happens, to be the three girls so and by the way it's working great.

U

The team dynamic is fantastic, but we are still gonna hire two people, the technology advisor and communication, so pray for us that there will be some diversity next slide. Please so we're gonna start to the geography lesson or whatever, because a lot of people have told us that nobody knows a lot about the Middle East, so Middle East. First, the name is a problem because some people call it Arab state. Some people call it Mena, which is North Africa. Some people put Turkey and Iran with it. Some people take Turkey and Iran.

U

So from our perspective, since we happen to be three Arab girls, so the Middle East could be divided to three sub regions. The first sub region is a GCC Gulf countries which sorry these. So this is Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United, Arab, Emirates Oman in Yemen. These are the old producing countries. These are the rich countries. They score well on most indexes international indexes of prosperity, a very high GDP per capita, very high internet penetration, etc.

U

And then you have the Levant and North Africa, and these are like Lebanon Palestine, Syria, Iraq Jordan, and then we continue Egypt Libya, a Tunis, Algeria and Morocco okay. So these countries, where they have high education levels, they have economic problems because they are non oil-producing country and you'll see that they are will vary in the in the level of prosperity. And, finally, you have the war-torn countries that happened to be everywhere, so Palestine Lebanon is recovering Iraq Syria for sure Yemen, Libya, so the whole to tell you the to make a long story short.

U

The whole region is under tremendous economic and political stress. Okay, so they all speak Arabic, but we'll talk about it later. Yeah next slide, please so yeah two hundred forty million people speak Arabic. Unfortunately, they're not really collaborating, and we see this within the same country. It's within the same agency and within the region. There is no culture of collaboration and sharing some numbers for you to understand a little bit the context. I'll start from here, 25 percent female labor force participation.

U

This is the lowest in the world, 60 percent use under 25 years of age. This is the youngest region in the world we like best or worse right, so either 70 percent of people are on social media. This is one of the top five in the world. Again, 310 million views on YouTube alone- that's number two in the world.

U

So what does that tell you that tells you that, yes, the people are using the Internet, we're not sure they're using the internet, for creating jobs or for education, but there are consumers of the technology and not producers of it. Next slide, please more numbers. Eighty-Five percent of local traffic is routed through Europe, it's cheaper to go from Kuwait to London, to UAE than to go from Bahrain UAE, okay, and that's why you'll see later we are concentrating on IXPs as one of the other things. 56.4% is the average internet penetration.

U

This is a good number, but the you have to remember the three sub regions, so this number varies from 12% in Yemen to 100% and a hundred plus percent in Kuwait and in Bahrain in the GCC countries. These two numbers are very interesting and interesting. They tell me 7 to 18 percent of private sector. Companies are online. This this is this.

U

Is this is bad right, so private sector is not even a stakeholder right and 1% of the e-commerce volume only of all the GDP and everything that also shows you that, besides all producing we're not there yet and these two numbers this is, this is number according to McKinsey 1%. So who are the stakeholders in the Middle East? The private sector, obviously from the slide, is not present next slide, please.

U

So, given this introduction, the Middle East Bureau early on decided to have three pong strategy and three point approach. On the one hand, we know we need to engage all stakeholders- okay, so, and mainly the government's for reason. You will understand even more with near means presentation. This is very high top on our agenda. Our second thing that is very high top on our agenda is building the community of Internet stakeholders, as I said, there's no private sector, but I will tell you more there's no civil society.

U

Neither so we are here as a team trying to rally the troops right, we're trying to build the community and bringing it together. At the same time, we're going to concentrate on youth- and nobody knows internet society in the Middle East. What who who are you? Oh, is this the same as and they give you another organization at best they think it's a eccentric organization working for the US government. That's if they know something so we're worse.

U

We're working on on on our brand and our angle of approach is technology we're using technology to engage with all with all goals. Next slide, please.

U

I guess the next slide is going to be our major accomplishments and I will I will ask my colleague Lyle to to take the floor. Thank you, sir.

V

So if we were in any of the Arab world right now, this would be electricity outage not technically.

M

Just just curious, because when you mention the Levant because I don't know the terminology, what does that mean? Is it? Does it mean that you know like Jordan, Israel.

M

U

Is the the western part of Asia Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iraq I? Think that's it. We don't include Israel. No Israel is actually a part of Europe, not only in our classification but I think there is some kind of international standard that Israel is with Europe like if you watch your revision and whenever Israel is part of.

M

Which, which is a bit confusing for me, I'm from Singapore, so we have always looked from my perspective in Singapore. We have always looked all the way to Israel as being the endpoint of Asia. So if politically, if it is classified as Europe there and I had no idea.

V

All right, so we're gonna be talking about other major accomplishments. That's like please. um In order to engage our communities, we partnered up with local entities and international entities represented locally, as you can see in the slide expect this.

V

Also, as you can see, we've been keeping Andrew busy. We couldn't include all the photos of where he met with. However, we were meeting around the region in government's with Jordan Oman, and this is all the work of two years. Only of a bureau that's been around for two years. Only we're trying our best to engage as much as possible. Next slide. Please.

V

So you see here, four slides, most of them say IXP yxp, because we believe that in order to penetrate a region, we need we need to penetrate it using technology. Ixp was the right hitting point for it. As you can see, we created one in Lebanon. We were part of one in Lebanon in Jordan in Bahrain, and there was an intro to IDF in Jordan are behind IXP workshop gathered, 30 30 regulators, sorry 30 regulators, and it was in collaboration with the ITU and they're actually coming over to me.

V

Not so I should we go to them. They come to us, and this is what collaboration is about. We put our stuff out there, they don't know who we are next slide. Please we had our CEO meet with the with chapter representatives from all over the GCC we partners at the may access in Egypt, and we created the booklets on enabling digital opportunities. This booklet was created with the help of the local communities in the region. We asked them. What are you suffering from? What do you need?

V

What do you need us to handle, and what do you need us to present to the world and this booklet was actually the the result of those? Yes, so.

I

Those are exactly right, questions be asking you glad you're engaging on this. What were the critical issues that got raised and.

V

Women representation, youth involvement in digital economy. Yes, the content, education, local content, actually we speak Arabic, but we don't have any local content, so that was one of the major things and we had three blockchain workshops in Jordan, Lebanon and UAE on the span of a whole week. We would like to thank mr.

V

Alex akka for giving time from his personal time to create these workshops with us and why we focused on blockchain is because we consider it an emerging technology in our region and it attracted a lot of, but we went in from having workshops that were 30 people to having workshops, including 86 people. Over capacity we were turning down people because the room would not fit anyone anymore, and these these attendees were translated into members, so that was growth for us and it's a growth metric and we're very proud of it.

V

Next slide, please, our middle east chapters are Bahrain, Lebanon, Palestine, UAE and Yemen. We coordinate with the African Bureau on the Arabic speaking countries such as Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia, and in 2018 we focused on Jordan and Oman. We are currently in the process of starting new chapters. There we're talking with people and they are actively meeting our percentage of growth is 18 percent in one year, which is I believe is major for for for Bureau.

V

That's been here for two years, and it's really important to focus on on the fact that two of the countries that are rated in our top chapters- tra chapters are war, torn countries, they're, Yemen and Palestine, and that is something commander next slide. So I will ask my.

W

Colleague, to take it from here I'm the policy guy over here.

W

January 2011 does that you mind your striking when about anything in the Middle East region? Yes, what? Yes, exactly- and this is a date that Arab governments will never up? Okay. Why is that I'm? If I can go to the next slide cousin, please? Why is that?

W

Because this triggered so many debate internally and externally, as well with the international partners about what's going on agent and and how this evolved actually in in countries like Egypt, for example, where instability it was a matter of like the factor and no one really think or thought about a revolution, as we have witnessed in 2011 in the in the following slides and they are only I- will just shed some light on the key challenges from in perspective and then from our Bureau perspective, and then we would see together.

W

How are we gonna strike the balance between the the bunch of challenges that we are saying there are so many information behind these four blocks, but I will just start with the security and to cut the story short. When government now discussed security in the region, they mean national security, okay and they start to discuss among themselves about how ICT really impacts the national security of the country. Why is that?

W

Because simply the Arab Spring started from Facebook, if I may note, Facebook or other social platforms- and this raises so many concerns how ICT are being used or money used by terrorists, and this is continuing to happen, and there are so many evidence in the region that terrorists as well as we develop the use accusing of the internet for very positive things. They are as well mail using it to communicate among themselves to excuse terrorist attacks and they recruit people via, unfortunately, social, media and other platforms, as well so for government from the Arab countries.

W

They believe that security is Nashes and they seek by the way- and this is extremely important and a paradigm shift in the way they are thinking. They are seeking collaboration on the international and regional level, but do they know how to do that? No, the answer is no, and many and many questions that may be will be raised during our discussion answer. Who do you know as well? They don't know how to do the thing.

W

Okay, so striking the balance between the positive impact of ICT and how this can impact the growth, the GDP for a country for the economic growth in general, and so on. Has this. You know like shadow on the other side, on the terrorist attacks and cyber attacks and so on, and this leads me to the social media platforms that has organic growth in the region. We maybe have the highest penetration rate on the social media platforms in general and the youth are leading this.

W

You know like innovative platforms and so on more than the government's and and still they the use and the citizens believe that there are huge opportunities, for example, for the small and medium enterprises, the entrepreneurial growth, where they can promote their jobs or their work on on the on online and on Facebook and so on.

W

When the government, when they have like a critical incident in some rural area in whatever country, there is the very simple thing that they do for from the security perspective they shut it down, and then we go for the paradox again and again between tracking the balance between maintaining the internet and helping it to grow and, at the same time, maintaining the security of the country itself. And then we move to the unemployment.

W

Maybe the region has the highest unemployment rate, I think it's maybe 40, plus or 30, plus percent, which is very high, and the female mamita gender is very much an unprivileged in the region for from being unemployment rates. The youth as well is again another major deficit in the in the region. In that perspective, the Internet provides what we call future of jobs right.

W

The new technology trends provides new techniques how to recruit people and how to make use of the use and energy of the youth and the passion to use the Internet and new technologists. While the government are still struggling backward, how to regulate the internet, how to really new technologies out to understand that? Officially, so all of these small, like four blocks, are causing so many internal debate and the government are the government's in general are struggling as well, and this is our role as an internal society organization to help them out.

W

This is why, if you go to the next slide garden, please you will see that I have put to engage the government as one of the very critical challenges, and why is that? If I may as well, ask it's always you know like from an international perspective, we always say we would like to have the bottom-up approach right. When we do anything, we need to go to the community and the grassroots and so on and help them engage and then go up upwards in the Arab region. You have to downwards.

W

You have to go to the government, maybe today either of the country at some point in time and when you have their blessings and when you have their belief in you, then they will have all the open doors for you as a strategy. It doesn't go the other way around, so we have to engage with the government.

W

We have to convince the government and I think andrew has max on some of them and he touched upon some of the challenges that we are facing and we will be facing, but we are brave enough and I think we understand enough as well the region where we I think we will enjoy our chief some success in that perspective. So when we engage the government, we will be able to build the community, because until now the Technical Community in the Arab region, I, would say a non-existing I've been working with the government for long.

W

We don't have cybersecurity stuff enough. We have about 20 people around and they are not really into security in the sense that I understand from the IETF and the fellows over that. Okay. So we need to build really the technical community.

W

We need to build, then the technical know-how, and we need to therefore to reintroduce Internet Society to the region in the sense that we are not associated to any other organization that they believe that it might be an enemy kind of, and we are neutral entity that would like to help and by the end of 2019. We hope that we can. If you move to the other slide captain, we need to strike the balance that they memorize this slogan open globally, connect the trustworthy, secure internet for everyone. Thank you.

U

In your mean next slide, please so that brings us to what are we going to do next year next slide? Please? So all our actions are going to be different by two things. The one thing is what the region demands needs, and the other thing is what Internet Society also wants to do. So our action plan is all the things in the upper layer, and there is more. This is a high level just to show you that you are totally emanate.

U

All our actions emanate from the Internet Society 2019 action plan, and we hope that it will feed back into with feedback into it and inform it so, at the end, we're creating something that is truly global. The to policy aspects we will be engaging in next year are going to be the enabling environment and the security of the Internet infrastructure. So the research that we are doing again is going to look into.

U

In the first case, it's going to look into how the legal regulations can impact positively or negatively the digital economy, and basically, the ability of Internet to be used as a force for good for employment. For all the good things that we know the Internet to do and the cyber security aligns with the building trust component in the improving technical securities, we're focusing on two aspects: routing security and ixps in collaborative approach- will be doing Internet, governance and IETF awareness and next slide. Please.

U

This is a detailed activity planned for those of you that would love to look at it later on next time. Next, so our summary takeaway for you, because we're anticipating good discussion now is three things. So, yes, it is a difficult region, but we do have a strategy, we're confident that we have a good strategy and only a collaborative approach will be used to implement the strategy. A top-down or one way, approach will not work in the region.

U

Next slide, please so the Millennium in the team lion wants us makes us believe that we are all Yoda. We will do or not do and we will not fail. We will not even try we will do. We will not fail, and if you allow me, can we put the video Kevin so we're going to show you a sample of this is the first draft you haven't seen it yet. We know that I saw some problems in the translation. It's the kind of things we're doing to promote this.

U

This video will go viral in very very soon and it's yes and then it will introduce its introducing internet society in the region. Yesterday, more internet.

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V

Mine I will translate in English in a minute. Do a lot of really a magical actor. She vicuna loudly with chapters that she has. It has a high eg later you Ranjha. Oh, it was man he'll, sorry they rule and I'm, not that I don't feel a little shy. Rocky Mountain, which the man Anthony Sowell it actually asked was. Why are the two chapters, the most engaging and they're the highest year and as I mentioned, they are the war-torn countries.

V

They find a very big need to change and to get out of the status quo, so they find us organizations like us. They find salvation, maybe in contacting us and and and reaching out to us and then having us, extend them for the world and others find solutions.

V

P

If I could add to that, so there was a summer school for Internet Governance that you saw the little thing in there that they were on the team organized in Cairo and there were a number of youth from Yemen and they were among the most engaged and notwithstanding the war-torn nature of Yemen at the moment. But you know better than any of us. They were also the most optimistic, and so this is a this.

P

This was a way for them to engage and actually look for, optimist and I think it's play the same same thing in Palestine, so it was, it wasn't great meaning. The question is from that follow-up for them right and how they can engage. One of the things that came up there and again it's a question. Follow-Up was there was a there was zero.

P

Disability, or or even you need any visibility recognition beyond the net when they heard about the beyond the net project, um the room just lit up, and they said how do they get involved, and so again this is I. Think an example of things to make fun very pragmatic.

P

Making somebody's I have other questions. Lady with that I just.

A

I'm going to start at Q, I have a speaker, I, think right, yeah, so I haven't Peter, olga disarray, I'm right, yeah,.

S

Okay, I I, really liked your presentation and I like the way you describe to contact with governments and with security side, and you often use the word. We but I'm asking a little bit more clarification about. What do you mean with really? How do you engage with chapters? How do you engage with members in approaching government's and in approaching security service.

U

Thanks for the question, it sounds difficult question so, as near mean pointed out, we have to work top-down and bottom-up. At the same time, governments are not into the culture of talk into non-government actors in there is no mandatory consultation, for example, in a lot of the Arabic countries. So, even in the case where we have strong chapter, which is in war-torn countries in in the case that we have strong chapters, you will find that they do not have access to the government we're working on this right, so we're working on on breaking this.

U

The silos mentality that okay, we only talk to people like like ourselves, whether it is in the civil society part or the private sector, or the government we're trying to to bridge that. If that answer is it's not it's not easy! Yeah, because you're going through against a culture and a habit right, but we are, we are doing it.

A

Thank you, I. Have this real Gothenburg.

B

Icon, thank you so much for this great presentation, the concern you raised about the lack of technical community in the region and, obviously addressing some of the network security issues. What are the plans to address this? This video is wonderful, very positive, but I. Just wonder if you're preparing any educational material that would teach members about elements of security and privacy again.

U

Thank you for the question, so this video is introduction. That's for the masses for the youth. That is what you call them technically savvy right so for the youth who is technically savvy that we want to bring into the pipeline.

U

Hopefully if that works as we want this year. If it goes viral, when it goes viral, we will turn our attention into the other material. But already we are working with torille and her team. We have translated the Internet Governance course into Arabic and we are trying to partner with Iraq, which is a MOOC based in London that claims to have millions of views in order to put our content with them.

U

So it has a higher visibility and again, the next step would be what you're saying is have targeted content for technology, and here maybe they all can help, because in her old life she has a an educational website or platform called mobile mesh. That's only to put content anyway.

W

And if I may continue on what Salem has mentioned and ticket to the second level or upper level, serum concentrated on the youth and it was solving for technology and so on, and I will highlight for you that our action plan in 2019 will try and I will. Just don't quote me on this, because I know some would not to be into that, but I'm trying or we are trying to bring the IETF to the region where the technical expertise of professional experts will understand more about the technical issues. How are we gonna? Do that?

W

We're gonna. Do some awareness workshop with some experts from the ATF on the different aspects of technology, so that people can understand what is the idea and that it exists in the first place, because sometimes we don't know that idea existed in the first place, unfortunately in the region, so we will teach them that there is something called is here and then how do you can benefit?

W

And, of course, you know like educate them on some of the technicalities that they really miss, as per our knowledge of the region and the the gathering of information that we are doing at appointing. Thank you.

A

Thank you. Can you of course know that this is a public meeting, so we are, you know, recording so people who will be able to quote you on that.

A

Okay, thank you. Olga thank.

K

You thank you very much for the presentation very, very interesting and thank you. Sam they're mean, and man and I know. That means a long time and you're in very good hands.

K

I know it's a very challenging region and and you're a new team, and you know, and when you were mission in the years of the region, I I felt that you were talking about Latin America, because that the similarities were and I knew that that then you really brought up to my mind again so I, I'm and I would like to perhaps offer you kind of bridging experiences from our region. To yours, for example, but I explained you know, Argentina has been of the leading countries building I accept.

K

We are almost with beyond the net project, almost installing with chapter the southern in the world, IXP in Korea.

P

K

Thousand city in the world, so we have a lot of experience, there's a language barrier, but I think that we can work easily on that, so count on dusk on mount. If you can, if we can help you in any way it region has young people like you a lot of problems with unemployment, some countries have economic difficulty, some others are more developed. So just let's try to build a bridge and exchange experiences and I commend you for your work. Thank.

U

You yeah well received and will be followed.

A

Managed to lock myself out of room or something I'm Raul wanted to speak at some point or okay, so role yeah every question.

E

I would like you.

A

I will let you to the queue then I have pepper, then pepper, easy.

M

P

Again, congratulations on.

P

Doing this very quickly and actually having an action, a couple of things, one I do think that, even though you know there is this sort of tendency towards top-down I think there's a real opportunity to maybe not bottom up from sideways, in think of it a different way.

P

One of the big issues that you identified was the lack of content in Arabic, all right and so I'm. You know the you know that you and I had them previously was working with a lot of the media companies, the content companies, the online companies there's a lot going on in the region to create Arabic internet content in the Levant. A lot of its based in you know, Egypt has always been the hub of media for the Arab speaking world.

P

So I think there's enough fraternity on that, in particular to reach out to unlock the the the, if they're, not that currently organizational members of my sock, but they should be. That could mean and I think it would benefit. There'd be a mutual benefit and it's coming in sideways to to solve a real, real problem, which is the lack of really great Arabic online content which, and that will help the engagements of the government, because it's helping government solve problems about creating a lot of good positive content.

P

So I think that would actually be a useful thing to add to the strategy the he going to the question on. How do you engage? This goes to of Desiree's question the other government, especially on some of the technical issues. Unlike other parts of the world, almost all of the government officials are engineers right. In fact, you know it's when you speak to government officials in parts of the region.

P

They'd much rather be addressed as engineer somebody as opposed to minister somebody. So being an engineer, is actually way more important in these countries than being a government official, so I think and now unfortunately, most of them very few or computer science engine. You know it's a computer science background. Most of them come from telecom engineering, but nevertheless those two things with me I think that's again, a entry point for a conversation.

P

These are engineers are technically minded. I think there's a way to link this back with IETF in the technical community, in a very constructive way by having people come from Internet Society, learning technical that have technical conversations right and will see people's faces light up. You know this third is the some of the again the partnering and again I just have no idea again, so you involved Richard, you are at Cisco, you know working with not just school net academies, I mean there are things that can be done, linking them.

P

There's Microsoft a lot of the companies have these kinds of training again on the technical side that there may be a way to link with with you and I sought to leverage existing members that are not necessarily based in the region, but again trying to solve some of the in a very pragmatic concrete way.

P

So those are just some ideas.

U

Thank you they're always taken, and yes.

A

Thank you, I have Harish next.

M

Thank you to the presentation like to see straight to the point and got some. You know high impact points in there I'm coming from a different angle. Have you engaged with the open source developer community in that region, because there are I know of a lot of them in Egypt.

M

In Jordan in Yemen, I think there is there's a few I. Don't have the names off the top my head, oh man, and those both those countries right so there are, there is a community there. There is a lot of open source developers who could potentially be you know, people who you can reach out to oh I, just tweeted out asking for anyone from there to contact me directly so that I can connect you with them, because I think that is important to recognize people on the ground there.

M

So you know happy to help wherever we can. Thank you.

V

Thank you for that. No, we appreciate the help, of course, and we did so part of our Middle East planned for 2019, which is in the presentation. We are creating these courses with SMEs and workshops with universities and of the community in general, dividing the capabilities and what type of workshop there Gani, part of which will definitely be the open source.

V

Community I personally have good connections with them: I'm part of the open source developers community in Lebanon and the doctor community, so they are taking into consideration we're also partnering with entities like we have ongoing talks with only an to partner with the think tanks that seller ators the incubators. So it's everyone we're bringing everyone on board because we want everyone to know about. It, engage.

F

Thank you recharge me.

I

So Jennifer invited me with a copy of this report. You guys, which it just came through. That looks really really good appreciate. You guys are really seem really focused on concretes issues that people understand.

I

That is like big kudos on that, thanks for doing that, one of the things I thought was that was especially nice to me, but that was the focus on startup culture and the difference that these internet-enabled start-ups are making a meter, and I think it's kind of tied to this- the point that Harish made about it and starts kind of building that technical community to encourage people in suit to feel comfortable, taking the risks and building things yeah, it's kind of starting off in the mid. The technical, unknown needs of you and go startups.

I

um So this is all just my way of saying things like +1 to the creation +1 than what you guys are doing. I think another aspect of the open source things that can be another way to bring money into the region. There's a lot of open source, grant-making programs and a lot of the private sector.

I

Folks interested in funding open source and in my experience serving on some of those boards making grants like we are always super excited to see applications or open source grant work from outside of the kind of traditional Silicon Valley Western Europe channels, because we know there are different needs in those regions and it's important to get software and technical systems built to meet those needs, and so it I think. There's there. There's Leighton's funding interest in those I think there's a community ready to support those efforts. If you can kind of move dimension,.

U

Thanks for this, yes, we will really engage for the opening source, community and hackers community in believe it or not. You know we ethical hunters and like I might say. We also then have to be a little bit more creative about the kind of activities we do, because these people will not come to to be in a workshop about sailing I, don't know Internet Governance or you know so we have to be you know.

U

Maybe we can think together about the content, also that we can provide that they will attract these people for the digital economy.

U

It's also very important what you said, because the region really there's a big big big bubble about entrepreneurship because, as my colleague know, means- and we have the highest unemployment rate in the world for young people, forty million jobs have to be created per year, nobody's going to be able to do this for sure governments and one will not be able to do this, and they are aware of that because of the sheer number of the the pyramid of age in the in the in the in the region and they're asking the question why we have the money we have educated people.

U

Why is it that we only have so calm? Why don't? We have only one unicorn right so, and this ties back into this enabling environment on the digital economy. Research that we're gonna do is because we have to also show them that it's not only the availability of money in resources. You know, look the regulatory environment altogether.

U

We need to research that, together with them, this is gonna affect also the fact that you are going to create an economy and and I think this is the differentiator between say, Silicon, Valley and the one of the main differentiator between Silicon Valley, and there is that regulatory environment.

I

Having a bunch of capability, that's right on that! That's right on that inflection point! It just needs certain certain specific set of changes to clear things out and it and unlock that. Please take good notes, because I think there's an opportunity here to learn a lot of stuff that could be translated to other.

A

Thank you, I have rockin a wall, eight and then bow I mean.

L

I'd like to add on to the note, but creativity, we can't really survive much without creativity in the Middle East and not sometimes you do things on the surface. That may appear on being one thing, but in reality you are actually aiming at doing achieving something else. The good example is blockchain technology I.

L

Don't think that would be many developers coming out from there at this instant, but the idea was in fact making sure that they learn about something new and they we use the momentum to bring in more people and get them engaged in danger to society, and in addition to that, of course, open-source programming and all sorts of things that come along side. The aspect of the new emerging technologies.

L

So among the participants that I've had the pleasure of meeting were a couple that actually were into the coding and they ended up maintaining contact, and so now they're I proposed that they reach out to the ITF of life alone for a fellowship and maybe be a voice from the region. So these are opportunities. What I like to emphasize, though, is the need for having a great contact with the technical community members, and this is something missing.

L

I see I find that astron, my good use of use a brand new Superman is strong voice, but it's I think is the only one working in this domain, so maybe focusing more on academia on research and I. As a researcher I understand that it's research that started all the whole thing called the Internet today, so we try to reach out to those elements and bring them over.

U

Thank you very much thinking, okay,.

A

Thank you, then. Please.

T

Thank you will start, I have to say that I'm very proud of this team. This is a the youngest borough in the organization and by the way, thank you very much Valene for your permanent support see the inception of of the borough even before hiding salaam.

T

This is a it's a symbolic thing that that speak very well about this organization that we have.

T

We have only one woman as a regional director and if the is the leader of the most challenging pressure in terms of gender and a quite a bit, so there is a- and by coincidence we have a team of women now in Middle East, but it says this was not on purpose is because we have the best people for each of the shops that, as we are hiding, this is I, have learned a lot about Middle East working with Salaam.

T

The first thing that we realized that when we try to form this world oh this is why I relied very much of believe is. That is that we understood that we didn't know anything about Middle East, so there. So. The first thing that we wanted to do was to learn about the mission and I have learned a lot.

T

This organization isn't ugly a much more in diverse and international organization than few years ago, and this also challenged, because it's not something that we can just stop to celebrate. Saying: oh, how diverse we are. We have people in all most of the countries.

T

We have six regional bureaus and is a it's a challenge, because once that we become more diverse, it's we have the chatter to speak in the same language in the language that is appropriate for every different places when I say language I'm, not speaking about this about the language itself, I am speaking about the culture.

T

How we use a language that is is appropriate for each of the regions each of the countries, and this is something that this borough is contributing very much internally to the organization to, but we are, we are learning about how to work with in this. In this edition, I am very proud of the work that that the team has done. It was a team of one person for most for three years, and now they we have a very good talent in the team and we plan to continue strengthening the team who have.

T

We are opening other positions, technical engagement, precision and a policy and a communications position next year. So then I been intercepting that we will continue achieved great things in Middle East. Thank you.

A

Okay, thank you, wrote um I, don't have anyone in the queue any further comment.

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V

I wanted to say something that, even though we're well, we mentioned the mo use for the chapters a bit ago. There's also another challenge that we face in our region. Specifically, it is creating chapters it takes up to six years, for example, to create an NGO in Oman. So these are one of the major challenges that I wanted to. To mention. I was hoping someone would ask me about it.

E

V

Gonna mention it anyways.

E

V

Example, Lebanon is very easy to set up an NGO. It was the easiest Jordan it's been taking us for the I've been in the US for five month. It's something it's been thingy. Is that much to just get the people on board and get the papers ready six years, UAE is nearly impossible.

V

So I just wanted to point that out.

U

Yeah, it's very difficult to set up an NGO in the term that you know it. You know in the developed world in the Arab region, and this affects also the good standing of our chapters and the way we communicate with them we're trying to try as well. It said creative solutions working with the other with Joyce and the rest of the team on this, but I mean it is still a general challenge. Yeah.

M

Hurry because I'm, not understanding which meant creating an NGO I talking about the chapters that are established, will be labeled as an NGO serving.

Y

M

That you set up in the reading the country's legal system.

F

And romantic yeah.

V

Part of being a chapter, they have to be legal entities so.

O

The current structure we're requiring legal entities, and- and this is not the only region where this is sometimes a challenge right, because what happens is people have to set up a legal entity? They could be very difficult. We've had some problems in in the lac region as well. Similarly, Z because frequently what happens?

O

Is it's easy to set up some kind of legal entity, but it's always a for-profit arrangement and you can't set up nonprofits easily or in some cases at all, so the UAE, for instance, basically doesn't have a nonprofit law and and and so we you know, then it becomes a serious problem, because we we can't transfer I mean you know, then we have a jurisdictional problem because we can't transfer money to for-profit entities to kind of tribute it becomes actually a very serious problem for us because of IRS regulations, and so the the interaction of all of these things, part of the issue, I think, but maybe one of the long-term things we're gonna have to look at is, is how we can you know, think of other ways to be that I.

O

Don't think. That's it today project because it would be a long, complicated thing. It would affect the internet society's own own legal status, and so we'd have to be very careful about that. So it's not one of the current priorities, but it it might be one of the things that we have to think about someone longer term.

I

It seems like there there could be some policy, it's not directly.

O

Yeah but I think this goes back to the point. That and and again this is something that is shared in some other in other. Some of the regions right there are I know astonishing to learn that their governments in the world who, like it that dumb there are no advocacy organizations that are you know on and- and that is you know, see your this goes back, I think to what everyone, but I think especially I mean was saying about.

O

You know having a sort of cultural sensitivity to the fact that we're working in a culture that is too you know, firms to a North American perspective, extraordinarily different, and- and that is you know, one of the difficulties that that were faced with I had. In fact there was a photograph in the presentation of me getting quite a talking-to about failing society in which I live, and you know so so I. Don't think that this is I.

O

Don't think this is a one-way problem right that that everybody in the world brings to any of these kinds of intercultural exchanges preconceptions about the way other people live and I. Think that one of the reasons that we have regional bureaus is precisely so that we can bring the perspective of the local perspective you know to bear on on on the situation there. That's also the reason to try to develop.

O

You know chapters and try to develop other kinds of relationships there, but to go back to something that was in an earlier session right that the chapters at the chapter AC, for instance, was saying. Well, we got to get everybody to join the chapter. Well, there are gonna, be some parts in the world where that that ain't gonna be a possibility and we're gonna have to deal with people in a much more informal and less structured way, and that's okay with the Internet Society.

O

We got lots of different ways to be a society, and this is one way that we can. We can figure out how to do it. The you know, the internet didn't grow with a monolithic picture and we don't have to have a monolithic answer to it, lead to everything that we do in every part of the world.

A

Thank you, um yeah I was trying to play this clip. I, don't know.

A

So that was Master Yoda actually in the they quote, you guys were using so anyway um yeah just to say that I mean I really like that kind of you know quote, and you know this way of working and I mean like the only person in the whole organization. We don't want to get. You know too creative in Sunday. Anyone else. You know we want to you know we don't do creative accounting, but everyone else. You know we really appreciate.

A

You know just yes, you know going around obstacles, you know finding new ways to to get things done. So I think that was a greatly appreciated. We just one second where and when I.

H

A

You on the queue regarding the the I mean structure of the presentation. I was with Andrew beforehand and I I think it worked out very well to have a you know to the point. Chris presentation, just you know very clear about you- know what you guys are doing accomplishments, how you are measuring things and then leaving plenty of time for Q&A I. Think that work is that everyone's kind of view, okay, so I, think in future presentation we will. We will follow that.

A

So thanks a lot for putting that together in being such a good way, I think that was some very useful. So now we had like one minute so I'm gonna give the floor to Harrison. Well it, but please be brief when.

M

You talk about creative ideas, may be. Is it possible for you to work with the universities in their IT club or society within the university to become the I so chapter there, and then they then can be because they already have an existing infrastructure so that moves it forward but are having a separate all about entity.

L

Thank You Harry, well II, I, brace this before and I'll raise it again. When will the board meet them at least, and that's and that's a question I'm interested. You know how do you feel in terms of having some form of so.

A

Yeah well, two things before I addressed that like this is actually currently a proposal to to for the idea to maybe go to that region. So we are working on that and looking into that, so it may or may not happen.

W

It was one in specific where we can have.

E

W

Dedicated nine crews for the IETF or we can blend the historical monuments of the Egyptian culture with the new technology plans. And this is why we can leapfrog from yeah.

A

This Lisa I mean a process for that that I myself in my day, job work on hosting IETF meetings as well, and, and it's not trivial, to bring into a location I can tell you so I mean realistically, even when you are a host and you put the money, this I mean a process that would have to follow. So you.

U

Know I mean put together an idea among.

F

Other stuff, so to be clear, you don't need to convince me it's it's this. If it was up to me, things would be different, but but.

A

Exactly yeah, it's not up to me, unfortunately, but anyway, um yeah just to say that you know there's a process for that, so we will work with you guys to understand. You know: I mean how how to put together a proposal basic. This is how it goes and and there's a lot of aspects you know one is of person to host another one is to have an attractive meeting. Then the main one is it so that people can get their job done. So you know like meeting facilities, etc.

A

So, just to say that I mean andrew is very much aware of the process. I am I mean several people here, so we can talk to you and take it from there and then. The second point that well it was making is that we've been in deep discussion. You know to bring a board meeting through to the region and we discussed at least as far as I can tell the last two years, so so I think that you know this is something that basically it's I mean yeah.

A

Well, it was asking me, what's my opinion again, it's not so important. What's my opinion is, if you know we decide with yeah within the board exactly so so this is something that we discuss at every AGM and unless year we were, for example, discussed.

A

We are true. We have been in particular discussing Beirut Dubai, so you know we'll see something after.

V

This consider yourself officially invited so if it makes it easier to the side now.

A

Absolutely we decided the AGM, but you know it is good to understand. You know the possibilities and, and while it is always pushing us in that direction, with Tweel yeah, maybe maybe I am a meeting okay. So thanks a lot again and thanks everyone on line as well and route for the comments and everything so now we're gonna break one hour for lunch and you know I would like to invite all of you in the room for for lunch. So the lunch is gonna be served across the hall and you can leave all your.

A

You know, laptops and everything here, I think Kevin will set like you know the two snipers usual two, so that nobody enters the room and so for remote participants. We are breaking for one hour, we'll be back in in roughly one hour. Thank you very much.

A

Okay, are we ready to go back online, okay, perfect? So, okay, we are back from land. Welcome everyone, I, don't know if we have remote participants at this point, um but anyway, for for people here in the room, we're gonna have James presently the update on inter-community, and then we will have a very small break so that you know people can vacate the room and then we will continue the whole afternoon in executive session. So this is going to be the last open open item in the in today's agenda.

A

So James um yeah we have allocated 20 minutes, so please go ahead.

H

Okay, Thank You Gonzalo. Thank you everybody!

H

So, yes, the purpose of this presentation is to provide you with a report on preparations for this year's inter-community event and, of course, into community, as a concept still hinges on the idea of strengthening our ties with our community and making sure that our community feels connected with our work so that you know we can all march forward together in pursuit of our our mission, and it's been a constant fixture now since 2015 and we've had an inter community every year, but I don't feel as though we should feel constrained by what we've done in the past and in fact, plans this year, as you know, have been shifting a little bit and I think it's good for us to remain agile and to change the plan.

H

If you feel as though that's that's needed, and indeed we have, though, since we provided you with an update on in community in Panama back in June, we've shifted the plans again and we've had another look at what is appropriate for us to do. What we realized was that plans at that point were perhaps overly ambitious and we had a lot on the calendar, especially in q4, and we actually right in the midst of a lot of things going on.

H

We've talked about some of that today in terms of penitentiary, IGF coming up he's forum and so a lot of work on on our plate. But we also realized that there was a lot of events and agenda items on the community's plate too, and that they probably wouldn't have the bandwidth to support what we were suggesting and asking of them in the original plans for inter community. So we've taken.

H

Another look, and the idea now is to scale back and also to use this as a moment to set something of a new direction we're into community for future years. Most importantly, we want to use this years into community as a moment to take a step back from the process and to ask our community and to fully understand from them what it is that they would like to see and in a community focused in an community-centric event that the Internet Society runs on a global basis.

H

So it's really a moment to to that, provides us with an opportunity to hear from our community and understand from them what it is that they would like.

H

So we've simplified the approach, that's the bottom line and this year we're just proposing two sessions which we've conceived of as online webinars and more or less or two online sessions at two fixed points in the day on December the 24th, so one in the morning, sorry December, the fourth to say: 24th I'm thinking of Christmas, already yeah, the one in the morn UTC, which would be more for European, Asia, timezone, so everything from London eastwards and then one later on in the day, UTC for the Americas three weeks back, we put out a call for registration and down actually gave me the updated figure.

H

A little bit earlier on. We've got I believe it's four hundred and fifty one people registered right now and from next week we're going to be pushing out further calls of registration and promoting into community further. So that's not a bad start, which there were a number of brief weeks to run and but of course, we'll do that most to promote that and so what's involved.

H

If you move on to the next slide, um not only have we simplified the format in terms of running to live streams or webinars on December the fourth, but we've also really simplified the agenda, so it comprises three principal components. First is a presentation of the action plan which we hope we'll be able to share with our community following this board meeting so that they would have time to read it and digest it and absorb it between now and December.

H

The fourth second main component is really the heart of inter community, as I have explained, to begin the conversation and the consultation process with our community to understand what it is that they would like to see from a global community event and then, thirdly, the culmination of chapter thon, 2018 project, where we highlight the three projects with with with the most votes, if you like, with the most support from the community and, of course, the winner of the chapter one for this year, there are some trustee or potential trustee board of trustee roles peppered throughout that agenda as well and I can touch on those as I as I go through.

H

The next few slides there is a further component beyond those two three at those three agenda items, and that is the technology component, and we've heard a lot this morning through our discussions about the organizational member and how that work is changing. Plus our engagement with our chapters and, of course, engagement is, is key to our success as an organization, and it's certainly key to our continued relationship with our with our community. So we wanted to find a way to build engagement into inter community itself and, of course, there's technology out there.

H

That can help us do that, so we're going to use this tool, which is called slider, to facilitate the conversation to make it more interactive to make sure that we can actually hear what I can usually think in real-time and in advance of inter-community. So the advantage with this is that we can begin the conversation before we get to the event itself. We can take questions, we can get input and we can use some of that during the December.

H

The fourth event, and a lot of what we want to do here, is to begin the listening process throughout the course of the next year, so this particular technology will help us do that. We have done some due diligence. Our IT team has been assessing this platform technology I, don't believe they have any concerns with it from a privacy perspective, and there are very low barriers to entry for our community around the world to use it.

H

It should be simple, simple for everyone to use, so we're gonna, give it a try and hopefully will facilitate the conversation and help to drive it forward. John.

C

Just FYI we use slider at mod meetings. The good news is technically it's great. It works wonderfully. The bad news is that nobody used it and we couldn't figure out. Why not so I'll be interested to see if your experience is okay.

H

Well, that's a good one to note! Let you know if we have any more success. Yeah so we'll also be promoting use of that of that tool as we promote it to people and so the next few slides Kevin. If you advance one really just sort of break down that agenda in a little bit more detail, to give you the granular view of what we're talking about so time will be tight.

H

I think it's safe to say that we're looking at each of these two sessions, these webinar sessions running at 90 minutes each no more than that, I think in the past, some of our inter community events have been longer and we've definitely noticed that that is not the ideal recipe and so we're condensing the session into 90 minutes. Only there'll be approximately 10 minutes of introduction, and that's what you see on this slide. So some pre-show warm-up.

H

If you like, and then welcome message, we're proposing android just delivers a quick welcome message, the beginning, and then our master of ceremonies will take over to do a little bit of housekeeping.

H

Many of you will know Evelyn Amara who's, our global community engagement manager based in you can- and she will be the emcee for this inter community I, think she's perfectly placed for that that role, she's she's a networker herself she's, a prominent figure in the community and I think you know we knew guard her as a very active Internet Society community member to go and she'll also run through how to use the tool for the slider tool for those people on the call and then there's potential for either gonzalo or Android or depending on what we want to do there to transition to the first key agenda item, which of course on the next slide is the action plan.

H

The idea here is for Android to provide a very condensed presentation of the action plan in a sort of short window of eight minutes or so and trying to keep the time but to open up slider. At that point, for input for questions for a little bit of feedback, we can ask things like you know: have you read the plan in advance of inter-community just to get a sense of how many people on the call have taken the time to read it? We can ask them whether they have any specific feedback.

H

What aspects of the plan are most appropriate or relevant for their region, for example, and so we'll be capturing questions through the slider tool throughout the presentation that andrew gives and then we'll use those questions to inform our discussion where the audience and actually have the option to up vote we've invented our own verb.

H

There I think up vote the questions that they would like answered as part of into communities that they'll have an opportunity to select the questions that they think the most interesting and then, of course, the exact team who will be on the call will be able to feel some of those questions we'll be able to share them around as as appropriate. So all of that will last approximately 30 minutes to Libya. The third of the call will be on or around the action plan more or less.

H

There is a potential board role as well here which is possibility for us. We, if there is any interest, we might have some board members introduce some of those questions, helped us with manage the flow of questions there and allocate them and distribute them around. Moving on. We then come to I guess the heart of the this year's inter-community.

H

In terms of the idea of opening up the conversation about what future and community events could look like, we'll run a little teaser for the next item, the chapter thorn project just before we get to that, and but this part of the program will be run by both myself and Joyce, of course, has been very involved in the in the chapter thorn and who is a prime person for community engagement and will ask for new ideas during this session and so that people on participants can propose some thinking, propose some new ideas and again will ask participants to up vote whichever ones they think are interesting and use that as the basis for conversation.

H

So it really is all about starting the conversation and the consultation process with the community that will follow through into next year about how what they would like to see in future events, labels and then, of course, we get to the third component. Our chapter thong.

H

Where elder who and is very involved in that Chris, we'll provide an overview of the project and just to recap for those here VI. The the premise of the chapter on this year was for the community to identify an Internet of Things project of some kind and then to develop a plan according to a couple of criteria points, namely that the project would be funded by a two thousand dollar budget or within a two thousand dollar budget and take 45 days to implement.

H

And thirdly, then to create a video about the project that they put together. So forty three chapters participated in the chapter on this year, a note went out to the community yesterday to say that voting had begun on that. So by the time we get to the inter community event, we will have selected three at the top three projects and we'll be able to highlight that during the inter community and again use slider to get a sense from the participants on the call about what they like in those three projects.

H

So that's again, another potential discussion point and and there's a potential board role there again to introduce those top three videos that videos being part of the projects that the chapters put together and then beyond that. Of course, there is the moment at which we announce the winner and there's certainly a trustee role there. If anyone is interested in having that very good visibility for whether all of the community to see a trustee having that having that role, this final slot, then, if you go to the next slide, no we're just addressing that.

H

Yeah runs for around 10 minutes, the award of the chapter chapter thorne prize and then a five minute closing and that will essentially wrap up into community for this year. And that's really all there is to it to be honest. I think perhaps there's a conversation to have with anyone who may be interested in in taking any of those board rolls that we could take offline and come and talk to me if you are interested and we can work out the details so that we were ready to go on December the 4th any questions. I.

N

Have Sean and the teacher so a quick question about the videos um they're gonna make just to make sure it's like a level playing field. Are we gonna have if image isn't their native language or we're gonna have support for them to make sure that it's all kind of yeah.

H

So will will obviously get the videos in advance. We have them in advance, so we'll be able to add subtitles and make sure they're accessible.

I

So just wondering what the kind of strategy is for getting people engaged in gathering a group of participants for these events. I think that we've got some natural channels and things to the chapters for this I think I feel like this is Kevin the natural things, especially given the kind of chapters on focus, but assume this. It also seems like a useful event to get people to from the org member community in the ITF community as well. I think.

H

That's a very good point: I mean there is I, think a need for cross-pollination across our channels and so that we're not just going to a known community about the community event. It's also making sure that we reach out to other.

H

You know community groups, including Omak and others, to make sure they're aware of this, so I think the big push around into community now we'll follow this meeting and we'll make sure that we're basically distributing information across the channels and make sure that everyone gets the message. Yeah.

I

And it just just emphasizes the point: I think this agenda, in particular, you've laid out, is really fairly amenable to someone who hasn't been involved with myself in the past. Mary tell me what our plans are for futures it's it's a good point for people who haven't been engaged to become net kings.

H

Actually, it's not issues based as it has been in the past I.

X

Have Glenn next and they know that yeah do you have any metrics on the success of previous to communities and what what your expectations for this year's performance.

H

So so we do have some metrics and I can't remember them offhand, but yeah.

X

H

Fair to say that the ROI on into community hasn't been great. So quite can you know considerable amount of staff, time and effort involved in putting previous into communities together, not least the time that the community has taken in many instances to pull together the nodes get themselves organized think about what they're going to present and an awful lot of effort and to be honest, I think the payoff in terms of attendance and numbers in the past has been disappointing. You know so we are going.

H

We are you using this as a reset and to your point, Richard. You know it is a. It is a more accessible agenda and we're hoping that, because of that or partly because of that, we get more people involved and more people feel as though they can join and benefit from this so yeah.

H

But we won't will want to measure our success here very closely as well, because it will be the baseline against which we measure what we do next year and beyond. So it's an opportunity to set that baseline to.

K

Some concerns about language, for example, when it's towards the Americas. We have mainly Spanish Portuguese and English and other languages as well. It will be only held in English or there will be some translation and just to remember those translation online tools that we used in the one in 2017.

K

Don't use that against equestrian, very well and as I think, which I said it's mainly chapter involvement and Union. But we should do an effort to involve the organization members as well, and especially with some regional focus.

H

Yeah, so so we do want to make these events accessible to as many people as possible, so translation is is, is key. I know that Evelyn and crew had a technical call yesterday in the early hours of morning, so I don't know what was came out of that quite yet, but I know that translation and having you know, simultaneous translation was was enough topic for discussion. So it's certainly something that we wanted to build into this at all possible.

A

Well, I see Willie and a.

L

Question about timing: we did our own survey about the forum. I realized that it was. We can't that were the most convenient for people to join an activity like this, since this is on a Tuesday I mean. Would you think that would affect and.

H

We looked at what is what is happening in the in the community in terms of the events that we know about that many people are involved in. We also looked at our own calendar. It seemed like this was a good moment but I think again it's a question we can perhaps posed to the community and slide. Oh, maybe gives us a way to do that in terms of whether whether they would prefer to do something like this.

H

Whether the majority view is to do something like this on a weekend as you found out or or not so I. Think, and if this is what we've picked for now, but you know we don't have to stick with that. If we get different good any.

A

Any other question for Jane: okay, excellent! Well, thank you very much James and yeah. Please keep us updated and coordinate of sign. If you need, you know, trustees to do anything or perform any role and the same thing I mean please reach out to James. If, if you are interested in, thank you James thanks a lot okay good. So that brings us to the end of the open session for today. So you know for for people online and for people here we're gonna start tomorrow.

A

Let me check I think it's a 10 past 10, but let me clarify is it it's sorry, I think we are starting tomorrow in no I mean no not for.

P

A

P

Open session begins at 10:10 a.m. yes, okay,.

A

So the open session we will be begin to tomorrow at 10, past 10 and and we will be in closed session until then this evening and tomorrow in the morning. So now we're going to break for, like you know, 5-10 minutes and deal people can leave the room and then we will continue in exit. Thank you.