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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 153
1 August 2020
A
Morning
evening,
afternoon,
etc,
depending
where
you
are
welcome
to
the
153rd
meeting
of
the
internet
society
board
of
trustees.
This
is
the
2020
annual
general
meeting
for
the
record.
A
All
trustees
are
present
and
accounted
for,
except
for
awalida
sakhaf,
who
sent
his
apologies
and
to
whom
we
send
congratulations
because
he's
celebrating
an
important
family
milestone
today,
according
to
the
internet,
society's
bylaws,
the
terms
of
the
three
board
officers,
the
chair
of
the
board,
the
secretary
and
the
treasurer
expire
at
the
start
of
the
annual
general
meeting
just
a
few
moments
ago,
according
to
the
bylaws
also,
the
president
opens
the
agm,
and
so
I
do
so
now
and
if
I
had
had
you
know
a
gavel
shipped
to
me,
I
would
be
banging
it
right
now.
A
The
first
order
of
this
general
meeting
is
to
elect
the
board
chair.
Who
will
then
take
over
this
meeting
board.
Remembers
will
recall
that
john
sent
a
message
to
the
board
list
about
a
month
ago
asking
for
expressions
of
interest
in
the
various
officer
positions
only
gonzalo
expressed
an
interest
in
the
office
of
board
chair.
So
first
the
question
catholic.
Are
you
still
willing
to
serve
in
that
capacity?
A
Yes,
excellent?
It
is
now
the
tradition
of
course,
to
ask
if
anyone
else
is
interested
in
running
for
the
chair
position.
So
is
there
anyone.
A
B
Yes,
thank
you
andrew,
so
so
briefly,
the
the
focus
areas
I
I
would
like
the
board
to
work
on
for
next
year
are,
you
know
I
have
identified
six
of
them
and
discussed
them
with
the
board,
which
are
the
governance
reform,
working
group,
the
seo
succession
planning
committee,
the
revenue,
diversification
and
the
handling
of
you
know,
ad
hoc
funding
requests,
communication
plan
and
strengthening
isop's
brand
and
community
engagement.
B
So
I
would
like
you
know
this
year
our
our
work
at
the
at
the
board
level
to
basically
revolt
around
those
six
areas
and
and
of
course,
if,
if
I'm
elected,
an
additional
area
would
be
to
basically
start
working
from
the
beginning
with
whoever
wants
to
run
as
a
chair
in
the
future,
because
my
my
term
will
expire
in
one
year
so
that
you
know
we
basically
do
succession
planning
properly,
so
not
only
for
the
ceo,
but
for
any
any
officer
position.
B
So
that
would
be
actually
one
one
thing
that
I
would
stress
during
the
year.
I've
been
doing
so
by
being
very
explicit,
giving
background
on
all
the
decisions
by
basically
making
everything
visible
at
the
main
list,
even
though
you
know
sometimes
it
may
feel
like
like
you
know,
I'm
spamming
too
much
the
main
release,
but
that's
kind
of
my
my
intention
and
my
plan,
for
you
know
the
future.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
now
is
the
time
at
which
the
trustees
who
are
going
to
vote
for
this
can
discuss
the
can
discuss
the
matter
amongst
themselves.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
everyone
who
is
not
a
candidate
or
everyone
who
is
not
a
trustee
rather
and
me
to
to
leave
the
room
so
kevin.
If
you
can
tell
me
when
everyone
has
left
the
room
and
then
I
will
figure
out
a
way
to
signal
you
when
it's
time
to
reopen.
C
A
Who
is
not
a
a
trustee
sitting
in
20,
starting
with
this
meeting?
Okay,
so.
C
C
A
A
And
pause
the
recording
I
pinged
people
from
the
staff
who
may
be
interested
as
well
to
my
knowledge
there
weren't
any
other
people
looking
in
on
this
so
gonzalo.
A
I
have
some
feedback
from
the
from
the
rest
of
the
trustees
to
you,
so
I
will
provide
that
you
know
we
can
do
that
offline,
but
there
is
only
one
candidate
here,
so
kevin
needs
to
needs
to
distribute
the
ballot
links
to
the
trustees
and
then
he
can
display
the
vote
results
once
all
the
ballots
are
received.
So
this
is
the
online
voting
platform
and
kevin.
I
think
you
have
configured
the
electronic
ballots.
E
C
C
E
E
H
F
D
F
A
Although
I
am
pleased
to
announce
that
you
have
been
elected
as
chair
with
no
abstentions
and
11
votes
and,
of
course,
apologies
from
walid
who
is
not
here,
thank
you
very
much.
You
can
take
over
the
meeting
now
and
I'm
gonna,
I
know,
go,
have
a
daiquiri
or
something.
B
You
could
also
ask
for
a
recap:
okay
thanks
a
lot,
and
I
I
really
appreciate
your
your
trust
and
confidence
and
and,
as
I
said,
I
mean
this
year,
especially
important.
Knowing
that
you
know
a
bunch
of
us
will
be
basically,
you
know
cycling
off
next
year
and
and
we
got
you
know,
five
fight
trustees,
cycling
off
this
time.
B
So
in
that
sense
you
know
I
I
intend
to,
as
I
said,
you
know
be
as
inclusive
as
possible
and
and
get
people
up
to
speed,
also
to
explain
you
know
what
it
takes
to
be
a
chair.
What
is
the
time
commitment,
all
that,
so
that
you
know
you
can
basically
decide
for
yourself
whether
you
you,
you
basically
wish
to
run
next
year.
So
so
that's.
A
It's
good
that
you
mentioned
that,
because
that
was
in
fact
one
of
the
pieces
of
feedback
from
the
from
the
trustees
that
you
know.
People
should
be
prepared
to
step
up
next
year
and
should
be
watching
carefully
and
will
people
will
be
relying
on
you
to
provide
them
with
the
sort
of
guidance,
because
there
was
a
very
strong
message
of
support
from
trustees
is
a
broad
statement
of
how
great
people
think
you
are
so.
B
Good
job,
thank
you
and,
and
I
mean
and
any
other
feedback
andrew
we
can
take
it
offline
because
I
also
like
to
hear
you
know
negative
things
as
well
or
you
know.
I
mean
things
where,
where
there's
room
for
improvement,
because
that
has
been
useful,
you
know
every
year
to
to
hear
opinions
and
all
that.
So
thanks
a
lot.
Okay,
excellent!
So
so
welcome
everyone,
andrea
already
opened
the
the
meeting.
This
is
the
153rd
board
meeting
for
isoc
and,
first
of
all.
J
Right,
I
have
a
conflict
with
pir
and
I'll,
be
recusing
myself
for
those
parts
of
the
meeting
that
deal
with
pir.
B
Okay,
thank
you
george.
So
you
know
when
well
I
mean
kevin
will
let
you
know
how
the
basically
the
practicalities
work,
but
basically
we
will
call
you
in
the
same
way
as
I
was
called
in
now.
Thank
you,
george.
Anything
else.
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
given
that
we
we
can
go
to
number
four
point
number
four
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
yeah.
B
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you,
john,
that
that's
that's
a
good
point.
I
I
don't
think
we
will,
but,
but
you
know
we
we
will
have
jason
present
in
in
open
session,
so
that
should
be
completely
okay,
but
if
we
were
to
go
into
executive
session,
we
will
keep
that
in
mind.
Thank
you,
john
okay,
good.
Okay.
So,
as
I
was
saying,
point
number
four
on
the
agenda
is
to
to
basically
elect
our
treasurer
and
our
secretary,
so
we
we
said
well,
john.
B
Actually,
as
our
current
secretary
sent
an
email
and
we
basically
gathered
expressions
of
interest
and
and
john
was
interested
in,
basically
you
know
being
the
secretary.
Can
you
confirm
that?
That's
still
the
case,
john,
I'm
still
happy
to
do
it.
Okay,
excellent!
Do
we
have
any
other
candidates
willing
to
run
okay
hearing
on
kevin?
Could
you
please
set
up
a
ballot
with
john
and
abstain
as
the
two
options?
Yes,
thank
you
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
it's
up
yeah
and
the
protocol
is
the
same
as
before
you
just
reload
the
screen.
C
E
Yeah,
it's
mike,
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
board
of
trustee
yeah,
but
with
the
pit
with
a
picture
at
the
top
yeah.
F
E
I
see
which,
by
the
way,
reminds
me
that
how
are
we
going
to
have
our
word
picture.
B
C
C
B
B
Okay,
so
I
see
john
has
11
votes,
so
he
selected
unanimously.
So
thank
you,
john.
So
you
are
our
new
secretary.
Thank
you.
G
B
Yeah
and
and
just
to
point
out
because
before
you
know
the
the
secretary
actually
was
not
a
trustee,
so
so
before
jonah
actually
became
the
secretary
a
few
years
back,
it
was
scott
bradner.
The
scot
brother
was
at
some
point
after
steve,
but
then
he
continued
being
only
the
secretary
at
that
point
we
thought
that
you
know,
let's
give
it
a
try.
G
B
Right,
but
my
point
is,
like
you
know
just
you
know,
this
is
one
of
the
officer
positions
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
necessarily
a
car
introversity
just
to
keep
in
mind.
Thank
you,
john,
and
thanks
for
all
the
the
great
job
you've
been
doing
so
far
as
well,
of
course.
So
now,
moving
on
to
the
election
of
the
secretary
in
the
same
email
that
john
sent,
we
gather
exploration
of
interest,
and
richard
said
that
he
would
be
willing
to
continue
is.
Is
that
still
so
richer?
B
J
D
B
K
For
your
confidence,
in
the
spirit
of
the
continuity
we've
been
discussing,
I
will
point
out
that
I'm
term
limited
after
one
more
year
after
next
year.
So
while
it's
not
quite
as
immediate
as
the
chair
and
secretary
positions,
folks
should
be
thinking
about
whether
they'd
be
willing
to
step
into
this
treasury
role
as
well.
B
Yeah
and
the
thresher
role,
we
have
always
tried
to
basically
have
a
good
succession
plan
because
that's
a
quite
important
role,
so
that's
that's
good
to
point
it
out
so
that
people
start
thinking
of
you
know
what
to
do
and
all
that
okay,
great!
Thank
you.
We
are
right
on
schedule
because
it's
4,
30
utc,
well
one
minute
too
late
anyway.
Moving
moving
to
to
agenda
point
number
five,
which
is
to
document
the
resolutions
approved
by
evote
and,
as
I
said,
all
the
time,
this
is
not
to
pass
the
resolution.
B
They
have
already
been
passed
by
by
email
by
e-boats,
but
this
is
just
to
document
them.
So
john,
do
you
want
to
say
something
special
about
any
of
the
resolutions.
G
D
B
Good,
thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
I
think,
I'm
actually
quite
happy
that
today
we
can
pass
resolutions
by
e-boat
because
everything
becomes
much
more
efficient,
so
so
that's
actually
very
good.
Okay.
B
So
moving
moving
on
to
point
number
six
on
the
agenda,
which
is
basically
every
year,
we
have
the
previous
board,
basically
document
a
set
of
action
points
that
they
would
like
the
new
board
to
to
pick
up
and
and
this
year,
basically
they
are
well.
They
are
they
are.
You
know,
I'm
summarized
in
the
in
the
resolution.
I
can
actually
read
it.
Just
give
me
a
second,
so
so
it's
or
maybe
kevin.
Can
you
project
that
or
otherwise.
D
H
D
B
Yeah,
so
point
number
six
exactly
there.
You
know
to
support
a
governance
reform
working
group
to
support
the
ceo
succession
planning
committee.
We
we
just
formed
that
determine
a
high
level
strategy
for
revenue
diversification
as
we
discussed.
This
is
a
very
important
task
for
the
for
the
board
to
think
about
and
then
to
continue
to
support
the
project's
approval
as
part
of
the
action
plan.
As
you
know,
we
are
developing
the
2021
action
plan,
but
we
still
need
to
support
the
2020
action
plan
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
B
B
Okay,
I
see
reach
our
moves
and
all
the
seconds
we're
gonna
approve
this
resolution
by
show
of
hands,
so
I'm
gonna
be
asking
for
yes,
no
and
abstentions.
Yes,
votes.
Please
raise
your
hand,
and
I
will
ask
my
moon
as
well.
Okay,
I
see
my
my
muna.
We
cannot
see
you
or
you
can
write
in
the
chat,
your
vote,
no
votes,
abstentions,
okay,
so
maimuna.
What
is
your
vote.
B
Okay,
moving
to
to
point
number
seven
on
the
agenda,
which
is
to
basically
recognize
the
outgoing
trustees
and
as
as
you
know
this
year
we
had
a
lot
of
trustees,
basically
leaving
the
the
board.
It's
been
five
and
they
have
been
hans,
peter
hiroshi,
glenn,
sean
and
mike.
So
we
have
a
resolution
just
thanking
them
for
their
efforts.
They've
been
working,
all
of
them
very
hard
and
and
they
have
you
know,
given
a
lot
of
their
time
to
to
isoc.
B
So
so
it's
always,
you
know
sad
to
see
them
go,
but
it's
also
good
to
to
see
you
know
the
new
trust
is
coming.
So
so
that's
that's.
You
know
the
way
it
works.
Any
comments
before
we
pass
the
resolution.
K
B
And
seriously,
as
I
have
said
many
times,
I
don't
want
to
sound
as
a
broken
record,
but
I
mean
like,
as
I
said,
incoming
trustees.
You
have
a
you,
know,
big
shoes
to
to
feel
you
know.
I
mean
these
guys
have
been
working
a
lot
and
and
they
have
created
a
lot
of
value
for
iso,
okay,
good.
So
with
that.
That
concludes
this
section
of
the
agenda,
and
and
now
we
will
be
moving
after
the
break
to
the
reports,
so
we
will
be
getting.
B
D
B
Okay,
so
welcome
back
now
we're
going
to
have
a
one
and
a
half
hour
block
of
presentations
from
our
you
know,
friends,
our
sister
organizations
and-
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
quite
interesting,
so
we
will
start
with
the
iab
report
that
media
will
give-
and
I
think
this
is
especially
good
since
we
have
so
many
new
trustees
and
most
of
the
chairs,
they
were
available
this
time
to
basically
not
present
online.
Sometimes
they
send
written
reports
instead.
B
I
think
it's
a
good
chance
for
new
trustees,
also
to
get
to
at
least
you
know,
meet
virtually
all
those
chairs
so
media
without
further
ado.
Please
go
ahead.
M
Okay,
so
I'm
sharing
again
hi,
so
my
name
is
mia
coolament,
I'm
the
ib
chair
and,
as
consado
said,
they're
a
bunch
of
new
members,
they're
also
a
bunch
of
known
faces,
so
I
think
they
know
very
well
what
the
ib
is,
but
I
want
to
quickly
just
like
explain
what
the
ieb
is
before.
I
tell
you
what
what
updates
we
have.
M
So
the
ib
is
one
of
three
leadership
groups
we
have
in
the
ietf,
the
other
one
is
the
isg
and
the
llc
board,
and
while
the
lsc
board
is
more
on
the
legal
side
and
financial
side,
it's
really
the
iab
and
the
isg,
which
shares
some
responsibilities
and
leadership.
The
isg
is
really
focusing
on
the
process.
Keep
the
rfcs
running
basically,
and
the
iab
has
some
a
couple
of
more
administrative
tasks
like
selection
and
confirmation
of
certain
position,
appointees
externally
songs.
M
M
But
what
we
do
more
concretely
is
we
organize
our
own
work,
our
architecture,
work
and
programs,
and
we
try
to
figure
out
topics
which
we
see
are
missing
in
the
ietf,
where
like
missing
piece
is
where
could
dots
needs
to
be
connected
or
where
we
see
that
an
upcoming
topic
didn't
get
enough
discussion
in
the
itf?
So
we
try
to
flag
those
topics.
We
organize
workshops
to
do
that.
M
We
write
also
rc's
on
our
own
stream
and
those
are
informational
and
they're,
usually
guidance,
for
example,
on
protocol
design.
Lessons
learned
or
also
our
few
on
on
you
know,
involving
topics
what
we
think
are
important
and
we
usually
also
help
to
get
new
work
and
profs
into
the
ietf,
so
that's
kind
of
our
responsibilities
here.
M
I
also
brought
you
this
slide,
so
you
have
some
some
faces
and
names,
so
we
are
12
community
members
or
12
community
members,
which
have
been
selected
by
the
nom-com
plus
alissa,
as
the
iatf
chair,
who
is
also
a
member
of
the
iab,
and
I
myself
then
am
selected
from
the
iab
members
as
a
chair
for
one
year.
M
As
you
can
see,
it's
like
it's
a
kind
of
a
nice
mix
this
time
from
industry,
some
university
people.
M
We
try
to
also
cover
different
expertise,
usually
in
the
iab
and
the
the
kind
of
special
thing
this
year,
which
probably
or
hopefully
is
an
advantage,
but
is
sometimes
also
a
challenge-
is
that
this
term,
actually
all
or
all
six
positions
have
been
filled
with
new
people.
So
it's
kind
of
half
of
the
iab
is
new
since
march,
including
myself,
I
was
before
much.
M
Okay,
so
the
the
official
report
we
send
every
meeting
has
been
uploaded
to
the
proceedings
of
the
meeting
and
I
think
kevin
already
shared
the
link
with
you.
So
in
that
report
you
can
find
you
know
procedural
information
about
things
like
appeals,
appointments,
also,
new
programs
workshop.
We
have
organized
and
all
these
kind
information-
and
there
was
also
a
new
thing.
M
I
thought
I
include
a
couple
of
topics
we
had
a
quite
nice,
actually
virtual
retreat
in
june,
and
the
way
we
organized
the
retreat
was
that
we
did
a
little
survey
among
ourselves
to
figure
out
what
are
the
important
topics
and
the
ib
is
caring
about,
and
then
we
organized
ourselves
into
small
breakout
groups
on
specific
topics
we
found
in
the
survey
and
one
topic
that
of
course
came
up
many
times.
Was
the
situation
we're
in
right
now
and
basically,
two
aspects
here?
M
One
is
like
what
are
the
technical
impacts
we
see
from
the
crisis
on
the
internet?
What
are
the
lessons
learned,
but
also,
how
does
the
crisis
and
the
and
moving
everything
to
virtual
disimpact
ourselves
and
for
the
first
part
more
in
the
technical
part?
We
are,
I'm
now
planning
to
organize
a
workshop
to
get
even
broader
input
from
the
community
and
you
find
more
detailed
information
in
the
slides
from
the
ib
open
session,
but
I
also
have
some
more
information
on
the
next
slide.
M
Then
another
topic
that
came
up
during
the
retreat
and
that
we're
continuously
discussing
things
is
this
whole
topic
of
evolvability,
deployability
and
maintainability
also
have
more
import
information
on
one
of
the
next
slides,
but
that's
probably
going
to
be
a
new
program.
We
have
a
mailing
list
for
that
where
our
discussion
is
ongoing,
actually
not
much
discussion
at
the
moment,
because
the
meaning
was
just
now
and
we
had
discussion
there,
but
I
I'm
sure
we
will
see
more
discussion
pretty
soon.
M
There
then,
maybe
some
other
things
that
came
up
in
the
in
the
retreat
with
still
topics
which
are
related
to
the
increased
deployment
of
security
and
effects
of
consolidation.
We
can
see
there
effects
on
traffic
engineering
and
also
now
in
the
crisis
and
the
need
for
maybe
some
kind
of
traffic
quality
of
service
handling,
prioritization
and
so
on.
These
are
topics
which
are
still
under
discussion
in
the
in
the
iab.
We
didn't
decide
what
we
want
to
do
here.
If
we
need
some
documents,
we
need
a
workshop.
M
We
need
more
long-term
programs
because
we
see
more
work
here,
but
that
are
interesting
or
like
important
topics,
architectural
topics.
We
are
looking
at
right
now
and,
of
course,
there
also
have
been
discussions
in
the
retreat
around.
What's
the
long-term
strategy
of
the
ib,
how
do
we
see
the
threat
the
iab
to
be
in
future,
and
there
has
been
a
little
bit
of
tension
between
the
community
and
trust
of
the
leadership?
How
can
we
improve
the
situation?
How
can
we
be
more
open?
M
How
can
we
work
better
together
with
the
community
and
how
can
we
also
understand
better
if
the
thing
we're
doing
not
only
at
seib
but
as
the
ietf
as
a
whole
is
actually
successful?
M
So
that's
a
set
of
topics.
If
we
have
a
little
bit
more
time,
I
can
show
three
more
slides.
M
So
on
the
workshop,
I
just
mentioned,
as
I
said,
the
the
scope
is
currently
pretty
broad
and
we
will
figure
out
or
we
will
decide
what,
how
to
design
the
workshop
based
on
the
input
we
get.
So
the
idea
here
is
that
people
can
send
until
october,
beginning
october,
I
believe
short
position
papers
and
we're
interested
in
things
like
measurements,
user
experience.
M
What
happened
behind
the
scene
anecdotal
stories
about
how
you
know
some
people
kind
of
saved
the
world
by
keeping
the
internet
running
in
this
situation,
but
also
general
experience
about
connectivity
conferencing,
things
that
have
changed
that
we
discovered
and
then
we
want
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
are
the
lessons
learned
from
this
and
what
do
we
need
to
bring
back
into
the
itf
community
to
improve
our
work
and
to
improve
the
internet.
M
M
We
have
and
figure
out,
what's
good
about
them,
and
can
we
provide
more
advice
such
that
the
protocols
we
design
are
flexible
and
extensible,
like
the
ib
already
has
a
bunch
of
documents
published
which
which
give
a
lot
of
guidance
about
protocol
design,
but
there's
definitely
more
things
we
we
can
say
and
we
can
learn
and
we
have
learned
in
the
past
and
we
should
actually
write
down
and
and
archive,
so
people
can
read
it
and
we
can
share
this
knowledge
deployability.
M
What
we
see
here
is
really
that
we're
I
mean
the
iab
was
always
focused
on
one
code,
but
what
we
see
in
the
last
couple
of
years
is
that
we
are
more
and
more
aligned
again
with
trying
to
develop
our
specs
together
with
code
and
to
verify
and
the
specifications
we
have,
while
in
the
process
in
the
itf
and
then
also
implement
stuff.
M
At
the
same
time,
and
a
couple
of
working
groups
use
different
tools
like
wiki
pages
or
github,
or
whatever,
to
collect
this
information
to
understand
how
those
different
implementations
interrupt
and
which
implementation
exists,
which
features
are
supported,
which
features
are
the
most
important
one
and
these
kind
of
things.
So
that
is
happening
already,
but
it's
kind
of
very
inefficient.
M
So
we
want
to
help
to
get
tools
running
and
we
want
to
help
also
to
get
these
things
more
visible
to
people
from
the
outside,
because
if
you
don't
know
it's
on
github,
it's
really
hard
to
find.
Sometimes
this
information
and
then
maintainability
is
a
point
which
goes
beyond
the
point
where
you
actually
write
the
rfc
and
you
have
the
spec
and
the
question
is
really
you
know
follow
on
on
what
implementers
needs
get
a
connection
with
the
implement
this
community,
especially
when
there's
no
working
group,
which
is
maintaining
a
certain
protocol.
M
Implementers,
often
don't
know
how
they
can
reach
somebody
if
they
have
a
question
these
kind
of
things.
So
there's
also
some
aspects
about
outreach
here
which
might
be
interesting
for
the
ice
hock
as
well
and
then
a
final
slide.
I
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
and
also
point
you
at
an
article
that
some
of
our
ib
members
wrote.
M
So
this
is
not
like
an
official
ib
statement
or
official
output
of
the
iab,
but
it
was
discussed
in
the
iab
and-
and
it
is
very
nice
read
from
my
point
of
view-
and
the
point
here
really
is
that,
especially
in
this
situation,
we
have
seen
how
important
the
internet
is.
The
internet
keeps
connecting
people
in
the
world
and
we
see
the
strengths
of
the
internet
that
it
kind
of
just
worked.
M
Even
so,
I
mean
there
have
been
a
lot
of
efforts
in
the
background,
but
we
see
that
the
architectural
model
of
the
internet
has
proven
actually
to
be.
You
know
strong
in
this
situation
and
that
it
can
involve
not
only
in
this
situation,
but
also
what
we've
seen
in
the
past,
like
the
internet
is
changing
a
lot.
It's
not
the
same
internet
anymore
as
it
was
at
the
beginning.
So
we
definitely
try
in
the
itf
as
a
whole.
M
Also
in
the
iab
to
you
know,
just
keep
the
internet
running
and
keep
the
internet
make
work
better,
and
that's
my
little
report
here.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
let
me
know.
B
B
K
B
K
Yeah
just
quick
question
miriam
this.
This
coveted
19
workshop
sounds
really
interesting.
I
think
that
that'll
be
a
good
point
in
the
evolution
of
this
to
stop
and
collect
thoughts.
Do
you
know
if
there's
a
call
for
proposals
or
anything
out
for
that
already
or
is
that
something
we
should
be
looking
out
for.
M
No,
I
think
we
were
planning
to
send
it
out
last
week,
but
then
somehow
it
got
lost
it's
ready,
so
it
should
be
sent
out
kind
of
any
day.
M
So,
with
this
workshop,
we
also,
we
did
think
about
we're,
trying
to
get
like
a
very
a
talk
plenary
together
for
this
meeting,
but
it
was
a
little
bit
to
a
top,
but
we
hope
that
we
can
get
some
follow-on
from
this
workshop
and
maybe
then
have
a
plenary
later
or
other
other
ways
to
report
back,
because
the
point
of
the
workshop
is
also
that
maybe
people
can
go
there
and
share
information
which
they
don't
want
to
share
publicly.
M
M
We're
not
sure
about
this.
It
depends
on
the
input
we
get,
but
we
also
see
that
having
it
virtual
doesn't
mean
that
everybody
has
to
be
in
the
same
room
all
the
time,
so
we
can
maybe
be
more
flexible
there.
M
It's
also
set
up
for
you
know
just
in
the
in
the
coffer
papers,
we'll
just
like
name
one
week
where
the
workshop
will
take
place,
which
is
the
second
week
of
november,
but
we
are
not.
We
didn't
decide
yet
like
how
much
time
we
want
to
offer
how
many
blogs,
how
many
sessions
it
will
be
at
the
end
it
will.
It
won't
be
the
whole
week.
B
M
Yeah,
so
that's
an
unknown
ongoing
discussion
because
it's
not
like
something
easy
to
assess,
and
it's
it's
also.
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
also
leading
into
this
maintainability
part
where
we
really
think
we
need
to
get
touch
with
people.
You
know
who
use
our
products
and
maybe
don't
come
to
the
itf
or
don't
connect
to
the
itf
during
rc
writing
time.
B
Excellent
yeah
yeah.
No,
I
I
I
know
it's
not
easy,
but
that's
what
I
mean
that
you
know
it's
good
to
to
understand.
You
know
your
thoughts
on
that
next
time
we
we
speak
yeah.
Sure,
okay,
thank
you,
media
thanks
a
lot
and
we
appreciate
very
much
sorry
to
to
have
you
join
during
the
weekend.
Thanks
a
lot.
B
Thank
you
have
a
good
weekend,
okay,
so
moving
along
in
the
agenda,
I
see
by
the
way
I
see
jason
has
joined
so
welcome
jason
and
the
next
slot
is
alisa's
gonna
she's
gonna
press.
Okay.
Now
all
the
windows
moved:
okay,
alisa's
there
she's
gonna
be
presenting
sees
the
the
ipf
chair.
So
at
least
so.
Please.
N
Thank
you
so
kevin.
Are
you
good
to?
Oh?
Actually,
I
sent
you
slides
just
just
while
miria
was
speaking.
So
if
you
got
those
that
would
be
great.
Otherwise,
I
can
share.
C
N
Okay,
yes,
excellent,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
I'm
melissa
cooper,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
ietf
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
be
here
and
welcome
to
the
many
new
board
members.
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
support
of
of
isoc
is
integral
to
the
ietf,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
your
service
on
the
board.
N
For
that
reason,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
what
we
do
without
the
the
tremendous
support
of
isoc,
so
really
appreciate
the
time
that
you
all
are
putting
into
this
important
work.
Since
we
have
some
new
board
members
who
might
not
be
as
intimately
familiar
with
the
ietf
as
some
others,
I
thought
I
would
just
spend
a
few
minutes
here
at
the
beginning,
talking
a
little
bit
about
what
the
itf
is
and
what
we
do.
N
It's
pretty
simple
mission
and
has
has
been
fairly
focused
over
time,
although
the
volume
of
our
work
has
certainly
increased,
we
are
approaching
about
9
000
standards,
documents
that
we've
produced
and
we
have
about
120
working
groups
where
all
of
this
work
takes
place
and
the
working
groups
are
focusing
on
different
areas
of
the
technology
stack.
N
Our
participants
come
from
many
different
sectors
from
the
technology
industry.
Obviously,
network
operators,
vendors
application
providers.
We
have
a
contingent
from
academia
participants
from
government
from
the
non-profit
sector,
so
it's
quite
a
diverse
population
in
terms
of
the
perspectives
that
they
bring
to
the
engineering
work,
just
to
give
that
a
little
bit
more
color.
In
terms
of
you
know,
what
are
what
does
the
ietf
actually
produce?
We
organize
our
work
into
six
different
technical
areas
and
I've
just
listed
here
a
very
small
number
of
kind
of
high
profile
alisa.
B
N
Yeah,
I'm
in
I'm
in
sliding
that
slide
like
presenter
mode.
Let's
see
what
I
can.
O
N
So,
let's
see
you
can
try
this
again.
B
We
I
mean
at
my
day,
job
we
use
teams
and
it's
the
same
thing.
You
know
for
some
reason,
it
gets
stuck
in
the
first
light
very
often.
N
Okay,
so
I
talked
about
the
mission
statement
and
you
can
see
a
lovely
photo
of
of
people
working
away
at
one
of
our
ietf
hackathons,
so
we
break
our
work
down
into
six
different
technical
areas,
the
internet
area,
where
we're
looking
at
sort
of
the
packet
format
and
addressing
so
seminal
standards
like
ipv4,
ipv6
dns,
have
come
out
of
the
internet
area
with
routing
we're.
Looking
at.
How
do
we
select
paths?
How
do
we
forward
the
traffic
through
the
network
so
protocols
like
bgp
mpls
for
traffic
engineering?
N
We
have
the
operations
and
management
area
where
we
standardize
building
blocks
and
protocols
that
help
operators
manage
their
networks
and
configure
devices
onto
the
network,
so
snmp
yang
netcomp
in
the
transport
area.
We
think
about
the
end-to-end
path
and
performance
of
traffic
on
the
network,
so
tcp
udp
and
then
more
recently
we
have
a
protocol
called
quick
which
we
are
close
to
finalizing
the
first
version
of
in
applications
in
real
time
area.
N
We
look
at
many
different
kinds
of
applications,
so
http
for
the
web,
snmp
and
imap
for
email,
sip
and
webrtc
for
real
time,
just
some
examples
and
then
in
the
security
area
we
standardize
protocols
and
primitives
that
support
security
across
the
board.
So
protocols
like
transport,
layer,
security,
tls
and
ipsec.
N
As
I
said,
we
have
120
working
groups
and
we're
producing
hundreds
of
standards
documents
every
year,
so
I've
selected
just
like
a
very
small
number
of
highlights
of
work
that
we
have
completed
since
the
last
time.
I
I
spoke
to
you
all
in
november,
and
some
of
these
are
are
just
cherry
picked
based
on
current
trends
in
the
industry
as
well.
So
we
have
a
working
group.
That's
focused
on
time-sensitive
networking
looking
at
how
we
can
guarantee
certain
performance
characteristics
for
traffic
traversing,
a
single
administrative
domain
or
a
single
network.
N
So
this
is
highly
relevant
for
things
like
audio
and
video
production
environments,
factory
floors,
these
kinds
of
things
the
working
group
is
called.
We
call
it
net,
deterministic,
networking
and
they've
recently
completed
their
architecture
and
a
couple
of
their
data
plane
documents
that
explain
how
do
we
use
net
on
an
ip-based
network?
N
N
So
this
is
looking
at
compressing
the
the
data
that
needs
to
be
sent
on
networks
for
that
support,
low
power,
wide
area
networks.
So
these
are
like
sig
fox
or
laura
for
those
of
you
who
are
iot
people,
and
then
we've
also
recently
published
a
specification
called
geneve,
which
is
in
the
area
of
network
virtualization,
and
what
we've
seen
with
data
center
networks
in
particular,
is
that
we
had,
as
they
started,
to
be
virtualized
kind
of
a
proliferation
of
different
ways
of
abstracting.
N
The
underlying
network
away
from
from
the
endpoints,
and
so
geneve
actually
aims
to
create
a
generic
way
of
doing
this.
So
that,
as
we
have
more
and
more
of
these
different,
what
we
call
encapsulations,
we
can
have
a
more
generic
framework
that
makes
them
more
interoperable
between
different
data
center
components.
N
So
just
a
few
highlights
that
kind
of
demonstrate
the
breadth
of
the
work
that
we
have
going
on,
and
the
kind
of
use
cases
that
we're
trying
to
serve
in
the
industry
in
terms
of
new
work.
We
have
a
bunch
of
new
work.
N
That's
recently
gotten
started,
and
I
will
say
that
I
had
anticipated
that
some
of
this
might
slow
down
a
little
bit
with
with
kovid,
but
we've
actually
seen
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
getting
new
work
started
in
the
itf
that
covered
notwithstanding
so
the
adaptive
dns
discovery
working
group,
it's
a
new
working
group,
we
call
it
add.
N
This
is
looking
at
the
fact
that
we
now
have
multiple
different
protocols
that
are
encrypting
dns
traffic,
and
because
of
that,
we
have
new
clients
and
operating
systems
that
are
involved
in
dns
resolution
that
previously
weren't
weren't
involved,
and
so
the
add
group
is
looking
at.
How
do
we,
if
you
have
multiple
different
dns
resolvers?
N
How
do
you
select
them?
How
do
you
discover
them
so
for
those
who
have
been
following
the
debates
around
dns
over
https
or
do
this
is
very
much
a
follow-on
work
to
the
the
specification
of
dough
that
we
did
a
couple
of
years
ago,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
this
quick
protocol,
which
is
nearing
nearing
publication
or
nearing
finalization.
N
I
should
say,
and
quick
is
special,
because
it's
the
first
transport
protocol,
that
that
will
is
very
likely
to
see
wide
deployment
on
the
internet
in
in
quite
some
time,
multiple
decades
and
as
that
that
effort,
as
is
reaching
sort
of
an
important
milestone,
we're
already
starting
to
see
multiple
new
efforts
that
want
to
build
on
top
of
it
so
mask,
which
is
the
first
one
listed
here,
is
aiming
to
create
a
sort
of
tunneling
protocol
that
builds
off
of
quick
and
then
web
transport.
N
Similarly,
is
taking
advantage
of
the
existence
of
quick
to
develop
a
new
protocol
for
sharing
information
and
bi-directionally
between
clients
and
servers
on
the
web,
so
pretty
exciting
to
see
the
quick
coming
to
an
early
milestone
and
now
lots
of
interest
in
in
building
other
things.
On
top
of
quick
and
then.
N
Lastly,
I'm
just
at
the
most
recent
ietf
meeting
we
had,
we
had
the
first
a
session
for
a
new
working
group
called
stay
home,
meet
online
or
shmu,
and
this
is
our
working
group,
where
we
are
talking
with
the
community
about
guidelines
for
things
like
canceling
in-person
meetings,
which
we've
had
to
do
both
this
month
and
for
our
march
meeting.
How
do
we
do
agenda
planning
for
meetings
that
are
held
entirely
online?
N
What
do
we
think
the
fee
structure
should
look
like?
What
do
we
think
the
tooling
support?
What
kinds
of
functional
requirements
do
we
need
for
tooling
support?
N
So
these
are
all
pressing
questions
that
we're
having
to
decide
on
the
fly
as
we
convert
our
in-person
meetings
to
online
meetings,
but
we
thought
it
would
be
good
to
get
consensus-based
community
guidance
for
these
things
that
we
could
use
far
into
the
future
if
we
ever
encounter
this
kind
of
situation
again,
as
we
have
right
now
at
the
pandemic,
or
if
the
community
feels
that
they
actually
like
these
online
meetings,
and
we
want
to
convert
to
a
model
that
involves
more
online
meetings
and
less
in-person
meetings.
N
So
that's
what
the
the
shmoo
group
is
has
just
started.
Looking
at
and
speaking
of
conversion
to
online
meetings,
we've
just
yesterday
concluded
ietf108,
so
at
itf
107,
which
was
in
march.
We
also
had
an
all
online
meeting,
but
it
was.
The
agenda
was
quite
limited.
We
used
our
existing
webex
platform
that
we
had
used
previously
and
we
ran
12
sessions
at
itf
108.
N
We
ran
much
more
of
a
a
full
agenda,
so
we
had
more
than
100
sessions
scheduled
over
the
last
week
and
we
used
our
meet
echo
platform,
which
we
had
been
previously
using
for
remote
participation
at
the
ietf.
N
The
medeco
team
implemented
a
bunch
of
upgrades
for
us
on
a
very
short
notice,
which
includes
for
those
who
are
familiar
with
the
ietf,
a
little
tool
to
for
us
to
use
to
take
homes,
to
gather
a
gauge
consensus
in
the
room.
You
can
see
it
there
on
the
left
hand,
side
panel,
you
know
we
had
video
and
audio
as
you
would
expect.
N
We
had
a
nice
collaborative
tool
for
taking
and
editing
minutes,
which
you
can
see
there
in
the
middle
panel
and
we
had
eleven
hundred
registered
attendees.
We
don't
know
exactly
how
many
of
them
showed
up,
but
you
know
many
sessions
at,
but
you
know
between
100
and
200
participants
throughout
the
week
and
some
technical
glitches,
but
from
what
I
can
see
from
the
sessions
that
I
participated
in
a
lot
of
progress.
That
was
made
as
as
you
would
normally
expect
at
an
ietf
meeting.
N
So
we're
going
to
gather
a
bunch
of
feedback
we're
going
to
do
a
survey
of
participants
as
we
always
do,
and
we're
going
to
continue
gathering
that
feedback
from
the
community
to
try
to
you
know,
tailor
the
experience
and
improve
it
for
everybody,
but
in
terms
of
the
kind
of
baseline
we
made
it
through
ietf,
108
and
and
we
had
what
I
would
consider
to
be
a
successful
meeting.
B
Thank
you,
lisa
yeah
that
was
useful
and
and
thanks
for
giving
the
overview
because,
as
you
said,
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
new
trustees.
So
it's
good
to
get
everyone
on
on
the
same
page,
questions
for
alissa.
B
N
Yeah,
so
just
for
everybody
else's
benefit,
we
used
a
platform
called
gather.town
as
an
informal
networking
space
during
the
whole
meeting
week.
So
it
was
a
you
know.
You
know
one
website
you
can
visit.
You
have
a
little
avatar,
that's
running
around
a
map
that
we
built,
which
kind
of
looks
like
a
map
of
a
hotel
conference
center,
and
I
would
say,
people
who
used
it
like.
The
features
are
super
cool.
It's.
It
was
really
nice
to
recreate
the
ad
hoc
you
just
run
into
somebody
in
the
hallway.
N
You
can
also
locate
people
in
there,
so
you
could
find
somebody
and
go
chat
that
the
experience
of
someone
just
like
strolling
up
and
having
an
you
know
the
serendipitous
conversation
not
as
good
as
as
it
is
when
you're
co-located
physically,
but
but
it
was
nice
to
have
those
features.
N
I
think
the
difficulty
that
we
continuously
run
into
just
like
everybody
else
is
time
zones
and
because
you're
not
co-located
everybody's,
not
in
there.
At
the
same
time,
you
know
whenever
the
I
don't
know
what
the
peak
was
of
the
number
of
people
who
were
in
there,
but
I
bet
it
didn't
hit
200,
even
though
we
had
1100
people
registered.
So
you
know
that's
not
something
we
can
solve,
but
we're
definitely
going
to
think
about.
You
know
other
ways
to
make
it
more
valuable.
N
But,
overall
I
expect
that
the
feedback
on
gather.town
will
be
quite
positive.
O
B
Yeah
I
like
it
a
lot
so
yeah.
I
thought
it
was
quite
cool.
Actually,
okay,
any
any
more
questions
for
lisa.
F
And
mike
yeah,
I
I
just
want
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
gather.
Just
because
is
this
like
a
second
life
type
environment,
or
I
mean
what
what
would
I
compare
it
to
alyssa
without
I
mean
I'm
gonna,
because
what
I
now
want
to
do
is
like
explore
it
and
write
about
it,
because
I
think
we're
gonna
be
doing
online
conferencing
for
a
long
time.
F
So
I
want
to
see
what
our
choices
are,
so
who's
the
vendor,
and
what's
you
know,
what
should
I
compare
it
to
in
terms
of
virtual
environments?
If
you
don't
mind
a
minute
on
that.
K
N
N
I
mean
it's:
it's
like
a
purposefully,
retro
user
interface.
So
like
it's
like
a
2d
map-
and
you
have
this-
like
really,
you
know
low-grade
avatar
that's
running
around.
You
know
you
can
change
like
the
color
of
your
shirt
and
your
hair,
but
you
you
can't
really
make
a
persona,
but
that,
but
it
has
pro.
But
the
thing
that's
cool
about.
It
is
proximity,
audio
and
video.
N
So,
as
you
approach
somebody
else
in
in
the
map,
then
you
you
start
to
get
a
faint
view
of
them
and
then,
when
you
get
closer,
you
get
the
full
view
of
their
audio
and
video
just
streaming.
So
they
kind
of
ditched
the
whole
virtual
reality
aspect
and
went
for
a
very
you
know:
lo-fi
animated
experience,
but
then
the
actual
audio
and
video
experience
is
good.
So
if
you
look
at
something
like
mozilla
hubs,
that's
maybe
kind
of
comparable,
there's
a
bunch
of
these.
N
Now
that
are
doing
proximity,
audio
and
video,
but
have
trying
to
give
you
more
of
like
a
vr
type
of
experience.
But
this
this
was,
I
think,
simpler.
For
us.
We
didn't
really
need
the
vr
bit
and
it's
like
three
guys
from
san
bruno.
I
I
anticipate
like,
and
they
worked
very
closely
with
us,
like
they
implemented
stuff
for
us
without
us
paying
them.
N
F
So
listen
I
may
reach
out
to
you
offline
just
to
follow
up
on
this,
because
it
seems
like
something
that
I
might
research
independently
of
iceland.
G
B
Yeah
so
mike
and
alissa
is
right
that
you
can
change
the
color
of
the
avatar
of
the
hair
of
the
avatar.
You
cannot
remove
the
hair
so.
F
B
B
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
think
you
guys
should
oh
there
we
go.
Thank
you
so
like
alyssa,
I
will
give
a
bit
of
background,
particularly
for
all
the
new
isoc
trustees.
Q
My
name
is
jason
livinggood,
I'm
the
board,
chair
of
the
itf's
board,
the
itf
llc,
and
so
appreciate
your
time.
I've
previously
been
an
isoc
trustee,
so
I
know
what
that
process
is
like,
and
good
luck
coming
on
board.
It's
a
lot
of
information
to
take
on
in
a
short
period
of
time.
So
next
slide
please.
Q
So
these
are
the
folks
that
serve
on
our
board.
It's
a
very
small
board
which
is
helpful
in
getting
things
done.
You
may
know
some
of
these
folks
in
your
communities,
not
sure.
Obviously,
alyssa
just
spoke.
You
hopefully
should
remember
sean
and
and
then
we've
got
peter
venrostra
who
is
based
in
brussels
and
maya
anjokovic,
who
is
works
for
the
world
bank
in
the
us,
and
so
we've
got.
Q
Q
So
this
is
background
and
I
I'm
guessing
kevin.
Can
distribute
the
slides
later
because
I
won't
go
through
each
of
these
backgrounders
but
in
essence,
as
you're,
probably
learning
in
your
onboarding
process,
the
internet,
society
and
itf
have
always
been
very,
very
closely
intertwined,
and
you
know,
support
of
the
of
the
ietf
has
been
a
core
aspect
or
tenant
of
the
internet
society
for
many
years
since
its
formation.
Q
That
was
a
core
part
of
that
and
a
core
part
of
you
know
the
dot
org
bit
next
slide,
so
the
creation
of
the
llc.
So
if
we
go
back
to
really
sort
of
how
did
the
ietf
get
formed
as
a
sort
of
legal
entity
over
the
years,
it
has
always
been
an
activity
underneath
the
internet
society
and
it
for
many
years,
was
a
very
informally
chartered
one.
Q
It
became
a
little
bit
more
so
many
years
ago
when
there
was
an
administrative
oversight
committee
formed,
but
this
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
we
formed
the
llc,
that
was
really
the
first
time
that
we
created
a
sort
of
formal
legal
structure
for
the
itf
that
was
intended
to
handle
all
of
our
administrative,
financial
and
legal
aspects
of
operating
the
itf
standards
process.
And
that's
best,
you
know,
that's
sort
of
the
headline,
the
high
level
like
what.
What
is
the
llc
we're
not
focused
on
the
technical
standards
themselves?
Q
That's
what
the
iesg
is
for
and
what
alyssa's
job
is
focused
on.
We're
really
there
to
make
sure
that
there's
the
appropriate
administrative
and
legal
and
financial
structure
and
resources
for
the
organization
to
be
successful-
and
you
know
that
is
really
just
a
normal
part
of
our
maturation
as
a
standards
organization,
and
I
should
also
note
you
know
in
comparison
to
many
of
the
other
standards
orgs
out
there
and
even
sort
of
quasi
standards,
one,
whether
you
look
at
sort
of
ones
like
icann
or
w3c,
or
other
more
paid
membership
based.
Q
You
know,
standards,
development
organizations.
The
ietf
is
very
broad
where
some
of
those
standards
orgs
tend
to
be
sort
of
narrow
and
deep.
So
the
itf
is
very
broad
as
well
as
deep,
and
I
think
comparatively.
When
you
look
at
the
sort
of
legal
and
administrative
and
financial
structure,
it
runs
fairly
lean
compared
to
a
lot
of
other
organizations
which
is
has
helped.
You
know
the
ietf
thrive
over
the
years.
Q
So
since
we
formed
the
llc
about
you
know,
I
think
we're
at
two
years
now,
starting
in
the
august
time
frame,
we've
done
a
lot.
Q
We've
hired
an
executive
director
who
is
jay
daly
and
we've
established
and
shared
his
goals,
and
I
should
note,
in
terms
of
sharing,
we
decided,
as
we
form
the
lc,
to
sort
of
establish
an
approach
of
radical
transparency,
so
we're
very,
very
open
about
all
the
things
that
we
do
very
open
in
terms
of
the
way
that
we
ask
for
input
from
the
community
and
so
on,
and
so
try
to
go
above
and
beyond.
So
even
in
you
know
the
more
tactical
goal
setting
of
our
executive
director.
We
share
all
of
that.
Q
We
hired
a
director
of
communications
and
operations,
greg
wood,
a
former
isoc
employee.
We
developed
a
process
for
open
community
consultation
and
we
use
that
for
our
initial
round
of
forming
policies
like
our
anti-harassment
and
conflict
of
interest
policies.
So
all
of
those
policies
were
developed
and
we
went
above
and
beyond
just
really
trying
to
meet
or
exceed
industry
best
practices,
and
some
of
that
was
required
to
come
to
sort
of
comply
with
the
agreement
that
we
had
with
you
on
formation.
Q
But
a
number
of
others
were
additive
to
that.
We've
increased
our
budget
transparency
in
part
in
large
part
by
being
able
to
finally
once
and
for
all
define
all
of
our
actual
costs.
Instead
of
having
costs
shared
by
other
organizations
and
sort
of
not
disclosed
or
in
many
cases,
not
even
knowing
what
all
of
our
direct
costs
were.
Q
We
spent
the
last
year
or
so
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
understood
all
those
direct
costs
you
know
accounted
for
them,
the
separate
line
items
and
so
on,
which
has
been
a
great
thing,
and
now
you
know
working
to
continue
with
our
budget
transparency,
and
the
key
is
that
we
have
tried
to
establish
the
llc
as
living
within
a
defined
financial
envelope,
instead
of
always
sort
of
not
really
having
a
budget
like
having
a
target
and
if
we
missed
it,
oh
well,
we'll
just
go
and
ask
for
more
money.
Q
Q
We
completed
our
first
successful
independent
audit,
no
issues,
so
we
thought
that
was
a
big
deal
and,
of
course,
as
alissa
mentioned,
we
transitioned
to
fully
online
meetings
and
greg.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
slide
down
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
seeing
the
whole
page.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
fit
that
go
into
present
mode
and.
Q
Okay,
so
we
established
a
standard
template
for
rfps
and
an
open
process
for
that,
and
we
have
issued
11,
rfps
and
awarded
contracts
associated
with
those
finalized.
Our
investment
policy
statement
to
guide
investments
and
we've
been
investing
into
the
market
to
to
put
those
funds
to
work
next
slide.
Q
So
if
you
look
at
future
plans
in
three
to
five
years
here
and
I'll
touch
on
some
of
this
in
a
moment,
we
intend
to
hire
a
fundraiser
to
broaden
our
sponsorship
base
and
raise
significant
funds
for
the
organization,
moving
forward,
continuing
to
support
and
strengthen
the
open
internet
standards
process,
which
we
think
has
been
incredibly
important,
which
I'll
mention
here
in
another
bullet,
reliability
and
performance.
So,
as
you'll
see
later
on
in
the
year
as
we
talk
about
our
budget,
when
we
came
on
board,
we
looked
at
all
the
risks.
Q
In
a
lot
of
cases,
there
are
off-the-shelf
things
that
are
cloud-based
that
are
cheaper
or
free
or
can
do
quite
a
bit
more
functionally,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
sort
of
subtly
do
is
invest
to
shift
platforms
and
modernize
them
to
make
them
sort
of
cloud
ready
or
cloud
native,
in
many
cases
improve
performance
and
reliability
and
over
time
I
think
part
of
that
is
enabling
or
creating
the
opportunity
for
itf
participants
to
really
spend
time
on
standards
rather
than
supporting
and
developing
tools
for
the
standards
process,
because
you
know
when
they
were
created,
maybe
10
or
15
years
ago.
Q
They
didn't
exist,
but
now
there's
a
lot
of
tools.
Organizations
live
online
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We
can
go.
Look
at
and,
of
course,
a
big
one,
which
is
you
know,
coming
up
again
and
again,
especially
at
this
last
meeting,
is
improving
the
diversity
of
our
participants
and
contributors.
Q
That
includes
things
including
based
on
gender
and
race
and
country,
and
so
on
and
critically
moving
to
a
friendlier
and
more
inclusive
culture
that
embraces
new
participants,
and
this
has
been
sort
of
an
historical
challenge
with
itf,
and
so
you
know
we're
helping
provide
funding
for
the
organization
to
explore
that
provide.
Q
Q
Most
of
our
standards
processes
run
online
anyway,
really
just
the
meetings
and
face-to-face
sort
of
interactions
that
have
been
moving
online
and
alyssa
touched
that
I
touched
on
that.
I
won't
go
into
more
details
there.
The
good
part
for
us
is
that,
unlike
organizations
like
maybe
the
itu-t
or
others
that
really
thrived
based
upon
weeks
and
weeks
and
weeks
of
in-person
meetings,
the
itf
has,
you
know
long
been
based
on
online
tools
and
online
collaboration.
Q
So
next
slide
so
I'll
go
into
this,
maybe
in
august
or
september,
when
we
talk
again,
I
think
september.
Rather,
you
know,
we've
got
a
bunch
of
of
things
that
we
feel
like
the
itf
critically
enabled
from
a
standard
standpoint
that
helped
the
world's
economy
sort
of
sustain
itself,
with
work
from
home
and
learning
from
home
and
so
on,
and
we
think
that
we're
on
a
good
trajectory
in
terms
of
new
standards
work,
that's
happening
at
the
itf
next
slide.
Q
So
this
touches
back
on
the
longer
list.
I
had
a
few
slides
ago
of
work
that
we've
done.
I
think
you
know
really
the
two
things
as
takeaways
here
are
we're
doing
sort
of
a
mid-year
reforecast
I'll
show
you
the
financials
in
a
second,
but
really
because
of
covet
19.
One
of
our
primary
costs
is
face-to-face
meetings
so,
to
the
extent
that
those
don't
happen
that
affects
the
revenue
model,
but
it
also
affects
the
cost
model.
Q
So
you
know,
rather
than
pretend
like
we
might
be
back
at
a
face-to-face
meeting
in
another
two
months:
we're
really
just
doing
a
reforecast
re-baselining
the
budget
to
show
that
reality
and
of
course
we
have
a
support
agreement
with
you
all
with
isak.
Q
That
basically
has
expired
and
needs
to
be
renewed
this
year
for
next
fiscal
year,
support
and
beyond,
and
so
we've
been
working
on
that
for
a
number
of
months-
and
I
think
you
know,
based
on
latest
discussions-
are
hoping
to
come
before
you
in
the
september-ish
time
frame
to
talk
in
more
detail.
So
that's
our
our
key
objective
for
the
year
and
really
my
sole
focus
as
board
chair
is,
is
getting
that
process
complete
for
the
long
term.
Next
slide.
Q
I
won't
go
into
the
executive
director
goals.
Next
slide,
keep
going.
Q
So
here
are
the
financials.
As
you
can
see,
this
has
been
an
incredibly
disrupted
year.
You
know
we
had
a
humongous
drop
year-to-date
in
revenue
and
you
know
that's
really
the
result
of
the
face-to-face
meetings
not
happening.
Q
Of
course,
the
benefit
of
that
is
that,
because
we
don't
have
to
do
all
of
those
things,
there
are
a
lot
of
costs
that
are
lower
as
a
result,
and
so
you
know,
we've
been
doing
our
best
to
sort
of
shave
and
cut
here
and
there
and
we
maintain
and
operate
our
operating
reserves
that
we
can
dip
into
in
the
worst
case.
But
we've
tried
to
really
tailor
operations
to
adapt.
To
you
know
the
new
financial
considerations
next
slide.
Q
So
here
are
some
contact
information
links
here,
if
you'd
like
to
get
in
touch
with
us
or
if
you'd
like
to
read
more
about
our
financial
statements
or
policies
and
so
on,
feel
free,
and
I
think
that's
it
for
me.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Jason
any
questions
for
jason,
john.
G
B
G
Just
to
comment,
I
think
it
was
a
real
coup
getting
jay
to
work
for
you.
I
mean
I've
known
him
for
years
from
the
I
can
sac,
and
I
can't
imagine
anybody
who
would
do
as
good
a
job
he's
very
competent
and
he
very
quickly
kind
of
figured
out
how
to
deal
with
the
iatf's
quirky
personalities,
and
you
know,
and
certainly
to
the
extent
I
have
a
supervisor,
he's
my
supervisor
and
he's
a
delightful
he's,
a
delightful
to
work.
For
so
congratulations.
Q
Good
thanks
yeah
our
key
goal
was
you
know
when
we
started
as
a
board,
I
think
we
found
we
were
into
a
lot
of
the
tactical
detail
and
decision
making
and
we
really
wanted
to
hire
an
a
player
that
you
know
had
the
right
skill
set,
but
also
had
a
feel
for
the
culture,
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
feel
we
made
the
right
decision.
We
do
as
well.
B
Q
Yeah
for
sure
and
there's
a
some
sponsorship
programs
that
we're
trying
to
develop.
We've
got
some
initial
sponsors
to
help.
Do
that,
but
you're
right,
it's
it's
sort
of
that's
the
funnel.
If
you
will
the
funnel
of
people
that
are
paying
attention
to
the
community
and
a
key
part
of
it
as
well,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
modernizing
the
tools
infrastructure.
Q
You
know
you
get
a
an
undergrad,
you
know
coming
out
of
school
and
they
look
at
the
tool
set
and
they're
like
what.
Oh,
my
god.
What
is
this?
You
know
it's
totally,
unlike
anything
that
they've
used
before
like
the
open
source
community,
and
so
you
know
some
of
that
updating
of
the
tech
platforms
helps
keep
you
know,
helps
maybe
not
repel
new.
You
know
younger
participants,
so
that's
good,
but
I
think
as
well.
You
know
much
like
a
lot
of
technical
organizations.
Q
We
are
predominantly
male
in
particular,
so
there's
a
gender
diversity
challenge
that
we
have
been
working
on
with
itf
sisters
and
other
programs
and
there's
certainly
also
a
certainly
cultural
diversity.
So
it's
very
western
centric
less
in
the
eastern
part
of
the
world,
as
well
as
the
southern
hemisphere,
so
there's
much
more
work
to
be
done
there
and
you
know
we've
seen
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
close
to
it.
It
was
interesting
this
week
in
the
gen
dispatch
working
group.
Q
There
was
a
a
document
put
forward
by
a
couple
of
folks
that
were
trying
to
raise
things
like
you
know,
exclusionary
and
discriminatory
language
that
are
used
in
technical
standards.
Q
So
for
those
of
you
that
may
not
know
like
in
the
dns
types
of
you
know,
standards
people
often
describe
master
and
slave
for
different
types
of
servers
right,
and
so
this
document
was
intended
to
try
to
bring
that
conversation
into
the
itf
to
say
you
know
we
should
look
at
some
of
those
terms
and
and
question:
why
have
they
been
used
and
how
can
we
set
standards
for
how
those
you
know
would
be
changed
in
the
future,
and
it's
been
interesting
and
somewhat
disturbing
as
well
to
see
some
of
those
discussions
and
there's
a
lot
of,
I
would
say,
lacking
of
awareness
of
the
impact
of
the
some
of
those
things
in
the
community.
Q
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
and
so
we
view
it
as
as
one
of
the
areas
that
we
can
really
help
the
organization
with
it's
going
to
take
time.
But
we'll
see
I
mean
it's,
it's
such
a
great
organization.
Overall,
I'm
sure
they'll
adapt
just
fine,
but
you
know
it
we're
in
the
same
place
that
many
many
other
technical
organizations
are
which
just
means
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
F
Ted,
please
just
a
quick
question
on
hiring
a
fundraiser.
I
noted
in
your
in
your
discussion.
You
were
kind
of
indicating
that
was
on
the
plate,
but
not
necessarily
happening
right
now,
and
I
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
chance
that
the
llc
board
might
consider
bringing
that
forward.
F
I
think
in
this
particular
situation,
it's
going
to
take
a
fair
amount
of
time
to
develop
the
fundraising,
both
contacts
and
and
to
get
into
people's
budgets
given,
given
the
likely
don
turn
in
a
lot
of
our
historical
support
groups,
and
it
seems
like,
even
though
it's
an
added
expense
in
a
year
where
you're
trying
to
shed
expenses-
it's
probably
one
of
the
few
expenses,
that's
going
to
pay
itself
back
over
the
relatively
short
term,
and
so
I
wonder,
if
that's
a
consideration
where
that
time
frame
might
be
reconsidered
by
the
board.
Q
It
is
in
a
way-
and
actually
you
know
I
should
say
we
may
sort
of-
have
solved
your
problem
somewhat.
We
were
able
to
work
with
ams
to
have
one
of
their
staffers
dedicated
part-time,
to
help
us
manage
all
the
sponsorships
and
fundraising,
but
that
is,
I
think,
on
a
that's
sort
of
one
handling,
most
of
the
tactical
sponsorship
transactions.
Q
If
you
will
and
working
on
developing
some
new
ones-
and
I
think
part
two
of
that-
is
that
looking
a
little
bit
more
over
the
horizon
about
what
are
some
programs
that
we
might
develop
and-
and
so
I
think
that
they're
the
bridge
to
help
us
get
through
the
next
six
to
nine
months,
and
so
I
would
say
once
we
get
the
the
agreement
done
with
all
of
you
with
isoc.
This
is
our
next
priority
is
to
then
hire
and
when
I
say
hire
it,
maybe
a
contractor
or
contractors
in
different
regions.
Q
F
F
So
I
I
hope
you
might
consider
working
with
us
during
the
discussions
in
september
to
to
possibly
bring
that
forward,
because
obviously
it
also
affects
ice
hockey
as
a
whole,
because
money
that
comes
in
there
accounts
for
our
public
support
test
and
affects
our
ability
to
disburse
funds
from
other
sources.
So
I
think
it's
really
something
where
there's
a
strategic
interest
in
bringing
the
fundraising
as
far
forward
at
the
strategic
level,
as
is
practical,
and
it
may
not
be
practical
to
do
it
before
before
then.
L
L
On
ietf,
I
spend
years
with
a
university
where
we
try
to
bring
people
young
people
to
the
itf
process,
but
it
is
not
easy
specifically
for
those
who
are
not
english
speaking,
because
all
the
process
is
in
english
and
even
if
you
bring
a
good
young
people,
sometimes
because
of
the
language
they
did
not,
they
will
not
be
able
to
to
follow
of
the
discussion
and
be
really
involved
on
it.
L
That's
why
I'm
thinking
about
how
to
involve
more
universities
in
africa
to
be
sure
that
you
will
get
people,
because
people
are
interesting
on
on
standards
at
the
itu,
for
example,
we
have
several
people
who
work
with
the
the
itu-40,
but
it's
very
diffic
difficult
for
us
to
be
involved
in
itf
and
all
those
standard
it
when
it
comes
to
internet-
and
I
think
it's
it's
great,
for
example,
to
use
the
web
because
the
with
this
crisis,
we
we
see
that
we
cannot
continue
using
the
face-to-face
meeting,
but
I
think
it's
also
interesting
to
see
how
to
involve
more
people
from
developing
countries,
because
we
have
our
specific
problem.
Q
I
Hi,
I
understand
that
you
all
developed
most
of
your
tools
in-house
and
I
was
curious
how
you
were
thinking
about
that
going
forward.
What
strategy
was
going
to
be
in
2021
and
beyond.
Q
Yeah,
I
think,
as
richard
and
john
and
others
that
are
very
involved
in
itf,
would
recognize
it's
an
approach
that
doesn't
seem
to
make
a
lot
of
long-term
sense
in
particular,
where
we
might
have
developed
tools
that
are
replicated
in
commercial
tool
sets
that
might
be
much
more
scalable
with
better
interfaces
and
data.
You
know,
analysis
tools
and
in
terms
of
usage
and
more
reliable
and
so
on.
So
I
think
you
know
what
we've
had
jay
do
and
there's
sort
of
an
architecture
tools
team
starting
to
look
at
this
to
study.
Q
You
know
what
are
where
are
our
needs
really
today?
Where
are
they
going?
What
are
the
kinds
of
tools
that
we
really
want,
and
I
think
the
preference
is
to
find
you
know,
tools
that
are
available
on
open
source
or
that
are
available
in
the
cloud
commercially
rather
than
having
to
sort
of
build
our
own?
Q
You
know
there
are
always
going
to
be
cases
where
we'll
want
to
customize,
and
maybe
there
are
gaps
where
we
might
want
to
build
our
own,
but
the
default
of
like
nothing
else.
Pretending
nothing
exists
and
we
have
to
start
from
scratch
with
everything
doesn't
make
any
sense
anymore
and
of
course
I
should
just
mention.
Historically,
it
had
to
happen
organically
sort
of
you
know
developed
by
the
group,
because
those
tools
didn't
exist,
but
in
a
very
different
spot
than
we
you
know
were
10
or
15
years
ago.
R
Is
yours,
hello,
hello,
hello,
ted?
Are
you
gonna
run
the
slides
or
sir
kevin?
Are
you
gonna
run
the
slides
for
me
all
right,
hey
so
I'm
glenn
dean,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
itf
trust.
I
we're
sort
of
the
the
small
quiet
part
you've
heard
from
the
iab
and
the
the
llc
and
the
itf
itself,
really
sort
of
the
often
forgotten
little
part
of
the
igf,
because
we're
pretty
quiet
and
we're
kind
of
boring
next
slide
please.
R
So
these
are
the
five
trustees.
They
are
volunteers
from
the
the
itf
community
and
from
the
islamic
board.
John
levine,
of
course,
is
our
representative
from
isoc
appointed.
If
so,
kathleen
moriarty
is
our
treasurer.
Joel
halpern,
john
levine
and
stephan
wagner
fill
up
the
five
slots
next
slide.
Please.
R
So
if
I
look
familiar
to
some
of
you,
it's
probably
because
either
you
work
with
me
in
the
itf
or
you
may
have
seen
me
in
the
nom-com,
because
I
was
on
the
nom-com
this
past
year
for
isoc.
So
I
helped
interview
several
of
our
our
new
trustees
and
we
thought
maybe
it
would
be
useful
to
sort
of
give
a
bit
of
a
background
of
where
all
this
came
from
and
what
the
trust
does,
because
we
are
so
quiet
we're
not
always
the
most
obvious
thing.
We
don't
develop
standards.
R
We
do
legal
work
that
maybe
it
would
be
useful
to
give
a
bit
of
background.
So
the
ietf
had
a
problem
prior
to
the
creation
of
the
llc
and
going
back
a
number
of
years
we
had
work
that
was
being
done.
That
was
generating
intellectual
property.
It
was
either
things
like
the
itf
logo
itself,
the
copyrights
around
the
rfcs
that
we
published
other
stuff
that
was
being
submitted
in
and
there
needed
to
be
a
means
to
legally
manage
those
assets
and
to
be
able
to
represent
and
defend
those
assets
when
necessary.
R
And
since
the
ietf
itself
didn't
have
a
legal
structure.
Eventually,
through
some
discussions
and
and
some
people
with
various
opinions
on
how
things
should
be
put
together,
the
ihf
trust
was
created
and
its
goal
was
to
essentially
manage
the
ip
assets
for
the
itf.
Originally
the
membership
of
it
and
we
get
onto
how
they're
selected.
R
Originally
membership
was
formed
from
what
used
to
be
called
the
iaoc,
which
was
the
the
administrative
committee
prior
to
the
I-10
llc
being
created,
and
membership
essentially
was,
if
you're
an
iaoc
member,
then
you
were
invited
to
become
a
trustee,
and
then
you
took
on
the
role
of
the
trust
and
you
signed
some
agreements
and
you
were
suddenly
a
trustee
in
2016.
R
R
One
of
the
side
effects
of
those
discussions
was
that
they
also
discovered
they
needed
a
place
that
was
neutral
and
could
be
trusted
to
hold
ip
assets
and
manage
them
for
them,
and
so
in
2016,
some
of
the
ian
assets,
in
particular
the
iana
registry,
but
also
some
of
the
core
names
like
iana.org
for
the
domains
and
stuff
like
that
were
brought
over
and
given
into
the
trust
of
all
trust
managers.
I
p
assets
for
itf.
We
also
do
some
small
work
for
ayana.
R
I
can
so
things
we
look
over
what's
ip
assets,
so
things
like
contributions
to
the
itf.
These
are
things
that
people
submit
is
internet
drafts
and
the
ultimate,
maybe
maybe
become
rfcs,
but
we
worry
about
these
things
and
manage
the
ip
around
them.
Copyrights
so
rfcs
themselves,
when
they're
published
have
a
copyright
assigned
to
them.
R
If
you
know
some
of
alyssa's
comments
when
talking
about
some
of
the
proposals
being
done
around
the
world
for
new
ip
standards,
one
of
the
things
that
gets
cited
is
that
the
itf
owns
the
copyrights
and
will
continue
to
own
the
copyrights
around.
It's
rfcs
also
little
things
like
logos,
so
the
itf
logo,
here
you
see
at
the
bottom
screen-
is
a
registered
trademark.
R
R
Is
we
want
to
make
them
available
and
easy
to
use,
unlike
a
lot
of
ip
management
places,
our
goal
isn't
to
make
any
kind
of
revenue
off
of
these
things
it's
to
make
them
available
for
use
openly
as
much
as
possible,
while
still
maintaining
and
protecting
them
so
that,
for
instance,
people
can't
suddenly
take
the
itf
registered
trademark
and
apply
it
to
their
own
products
or
their
own
work,
thereby
implying
that
they're,
somehow
endorsed
or
part
of
the
itf.
So
we
make
sure
we
walk.
R
Those
very
fine
lines
of
protecting,
while
at
the
same
time
enabling
them
to
be
widely
used.
Now
that
goes
with
trademarks.
So
the
iana
marks
additional
itf
marks
the
itf
mark
itself.
We
manage,
we
manage
the
itf
tools
licenses.
Things
like
the
yank
yang
catalog
is
a
donation
that
was
given
into
the
itf
materials
around
the
yang,
toolset
and
and
there's
a
bunch
of
parameters,
a
bunch
of
values
and
examples
that
we
manage
and
manage
the
license
for
housing
and
then
something
as
mundane
as
domain
registrations.
R
You
know
who
owns
and
manages
itf.org
from
a
domain
perspective.
That's
us.
We
take
care
of
those
and
we
also
monitor
new
registrations
that
come
up
so
that
we
make
sure
that
nobody
is
suddenly.
You
know
putting
up
a
new
registration
and
trying
to
apply
that
they're
us
the
itf
or
the
isg,
or
the
irtf,
or
the
ib
or
iana
itself
around
the
world,
and
we
defend
that.
If
that
happens
next
slide,
please.
R
So
we're
a
pretty
simple
structure.
We
are
trust
in
the
commonwealth
of
virginia
we're
a
501c3
nonprofit.
R
We
are
independent
from
isoc
and
the
ietf
llc,
so
which
is
a
little
bit
weird,
but
that's
historical
to
try
this,
and
if
you
want
to
have
a
a
good
conversation
with
a
few
people
like
ted
and
john
levine,
who
can
tell
you
about
the
history
of
it
over
a
cocktail
sometime
when
you're
back
together,
it'll
keep
you
enthralled
for
maybe
five
minutes,
maybe
a
half
hour
depending
upon
your
history
here.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
we
are
independent
from
them.
R
We
have
a
website
there,
five
trustees
after
the
llc
iasa
restructuring
that
was
done
at
the
itf.
As
jason
talked
about.
We
had
a
problem.
The
the
committee
that
preceded
the
llc's
board
was
dissolved
and
the
old
rules
were.
The
trustees
were
all
selected
from
the
membership
of
that
committee.
R
So
we
had
to
rewrite
the
the
rule
set
and,
as
we
did,
that
we
had
to
come
up
with
a
new
structure
for
how
to
appoint
people
to
the
trust,
and
so
in
the
in
the
end,
it
was
decided
that
five
people
would
or
three
people
would
be
appointed
by
the
ietf
nomcom
one
would
be
appointed
by
the
itif
iesg
and
then
one
would
be
appointed
by
ourselves
of
the
board
of
trustees,
and
that
gives
us
a
total
of
five
trustees
that
represent
the
trust.
R
One
interesting
aspect
about
being
a
trustee
is
that
the
because
we're
a
trust
technically
and
legally,
the
trustees
are
the
owners
of
the
trust,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
various
assets
that
the
trust
owns
and
manages
these
five
people,
literally
for
the
duration
of
their
term
on
the
trust,
are
one
of
the
five
owners
of
those
assets.
R
And
so,
for
instance,
when
you
look
up
the
registered
trademarks
in
places
that
don't
allow
us
to
register
to
trust,
you
will
actually
find
our
names
as
the
listed
owners
of
those
trademarks.
It's
a
weird,
weird
historical
aspect
of
the
way
we
are
structured.
R
Let's
see
what
else
budget-wise
we're
very
small,
so
the
trustees
themselves
receive
no
support,
or
you
know,
income
from
the
trustee.
It's
a
purely
voluntary
voluntary
position.
So
all
the
money
we
get
essentially
goes
to
running
the
trust
and
it's
a
small
amount.
It's
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
That's
primarily
spent
on
legal,
administrative
services,
trademark
registration,
domain
registration
and
insurance
for
the
individual
trustees.
Just
like
isak
has
trustee
insurance.
On
all
of
you
to
support
that
budget.
We
seek
a
diversity
of
funding
sources.
R
Primarily
we
get
a
lot
of
our
funding
from
the
itf
llc.
In
the
past
it
came
from
the
isoc
and
then
when
the
is,
the
transition
took
place
that
funding
responsibility
moved
from
isoc
to
the
llc,
so
we
get
money
for
them.
We
also
get
outside
funding.
In
the
past
year,
we've
got
support
from
google
nbc
universal
ten
cents
and
some
others
next
slide
please.
R
So
what
are
we
doing
in
2020?
One
of
the
things
we
are
doing
is
we're
going
to
update
the
itf
trust
website.
If
you
visit
that
trustee.itf.org
website,
you
will
be
greeted
with
an
a
a
great
example
of
a
website
from
about
20
years
ago.
R
It
is
a
very
out
of
date
website,
it's
very
hard
to
find
things,
and
so
we
are
in
the
final
stages
of
the
review
to
publish
a
brand
new
website
which
will
hopefully
make
the
much
easier
to
engage
with
the
trust
it'll,
make
it
easier
to
find
things
and
it'll
make
easier
for
when
people
want
to
request
licenses
for
the
things
we
manage
to
request
those
as
part
of
that
update,
we're
going
through
and
reviewing
trust
procedures,
making
sure
they're
current
and
accurate
and
reflect
the
actual
operations
of
how
we
do
things.
R
Along
with
the
information
documentation
that
support
the
information
and
engagement
we
do
with
the
itf
and
the
broader
community.
We
also
routinely
handle
requests
for
use
of
the
itf
logos
and
trademarks.
That's
just
our
standard
business
and
we
have
an
ongoing
practice
for
monitoring
those
things
we
manage
for
infringements.
R
When
an
itf
meeting
is
held,
the
tradition
is
that
a
the
host
sponsor
gets
the
ability
to
put
out
a
t-shirt,
and
so
one
of
the
functions
we
get
to
do
is
we
get
to
review
that
because
it
uses
the
itf
logo
on
those
shirts.
We
have
the
ability
to
review
and
actually
approve
the
use
of
those
logos
on
those
shirts.
So
we
are
fashion
consultants
as
well
as
really
boring
legal
people
next
slide.
R
B
Thank
you
glenn.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
for
glenn.
Maybe
you
need
some
fashion
advice.
I
don't
know.
B
G
I
I
would
mention
that,
as
part
of
sort
of
simultaneously
with
putting
into
the
new
website
it
turns
out
that
the
trust
has
a
has
a
lot
of
loose
ends.
I
mean,
for
example,
the
itf
clearly
owns
the
ietf's
website,
but
it's
not
clear
what
the
license
is
for
it.
G
You
know
there's
stuff
like
that
that
we're
in
the
process
of
of
cleaning
up,
I
don't
think
it's
anything
will
be
a
great
legal
crisis,
but
I
found
the
number
of
loose
ends
to
be
surprising
and
sort
of
embarrassing,
since
I
was
actually
on
the
iaoc,
the
trust
predecessor.
So
I'm
glad
that
we're
in
the
process
of
of
cleaning
it
up,
and
I
think
once
we
get
the
new
website,
I
think
we
will.
We
will
see
a
somewhat
tidier
view
of
the
of
the
its
intellectual
property.
J
F
After
the
web
20
years
from
now
so
I
was,
I
was
general
counsel,
wikimedia
foundation
when
we
when
I
when-
and
one
of
my
first
tasks,
was
to
rationalize
the
licensing
of
the
wikipedia
trademarks
which
turn
out
to
be
quite
valuable
and
recognizable.
F
And
I
so
I
I'm
aware
of
the
balance
that
you
have
to
strike
as
an
ngo
that
has
different
kinds
of
relationships
with
volunteers
and
chapters
and
other
kinds
of
satellite
interests
and
organizations.
I
I
mentioned
this
only.
F
I
mean
I'm
certainly
happy
to
be
a
resource
if
you
have
any
questions
about
how
we
solve
certain
problems,
if
you
have
any
problems
now-
and
maybe
you
don't-
but
what
I
also
suggest
is
that
if
you
get
a
chance
to
reach
out
to
the
legal
and
policy
teams
at
the
wiki
media
foundation,
they
have
now
a
track
record
that
I
started
you
know
more
than
10
years
ago
to
on
handling
very
interesting
public
interest,
trademarks
that
are
quite
valuable.
F
As
you
know,
the
task
is
not
so
much
trying
to
extract
licensing
fees
from
them,
although
sometimes
you
can
do
that,
but
primarily
to
prevent
their
misuse
by
licensees,
and
you
have
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
police
that
without
being
an
ogre,
so
those
problems
have
been
solved.
You
know
at
wikimedia
foundation
more
or
less.
So
if
you
need
a
resource
and
you
need
some
introductions
or
something
I'm
happy
to
help.
B
Thank
you
mike
any
more
questions
for
glenn.
R
B
Bye-Bye
bye-bye,
okay,
good,
so
next
on
the
line
is
christelle
and
icc
has
joined
already
christelle
the
floor
is
yours.
S
S
Me
I'm
crystal
dalshad
very
good,
so
it's
your
evening
as
well.
S
I
know
there
are
a
few
new
trustees
formally
taking
up
their
positions
today,
so
welcome
maimuna,
ted
george,
laura
and
header
ted.
I
waited
for
you
if
you're
unfamiliar
with
the
imac,
which
I
doubt
any
of
you
are,
but
if
you
are,
then
the
omac
acts
as
an
advisory
body
to
the
eyes
of
management
and
the
board
of
trustees
on
matters
that
affect
the
general
welfare
and
the
effectiveness
of
the
internet
and
the
people
who
use
it.
S
We
represent
around
95
organizations
and
that
spans
academia,
research,
service
providers,
content
providers,
equipment
manufacturers,
international
organizations,
governments
and
public
interest
groups,
and
I'm
going
to
be
super
brief,
because
my
term
has
actually
ended.
I
was
hoping
that
one
or
all
three
of
my
on
my
replacements
would
join
us
today,
but
it
was
fairly
short
notice
because
they
only
took
their
positions
this
thursday.
S
S
S
S
S
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
all
three
of
the
incoming
chairs
and
I
think
they're
going
to
be
a
great
asset
they
sort
of
between
between
the
three
of
them.
They
span
policy
and
infrastructure,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
a
really
good,
a
really
good
mix,
and
I
really
sort
of
there's
going
to
be
some
synergies
between
them
that,
I
think,
will
benefit
omak
and
isaac
going
forward.
S
We
announced
them
at
the
latest
omac
meeting
which
took
place
this
thursday,
where
they
were
introduced.
Everyone
said
goodbye
to
me:
it's
going
to
be
very
sad,
I'm
going
to
miss
the
ball
pits
and
I'm
going
to
miss
the
cocktails.
S
We
also
received
a
brief
update
on
the
encryption
project
from
ryan
and
jeff,
and
they
asked
for
sort
of
organization
members
to
support
and
get
involved
with
that
project.
I'm
really
sad
that
I'm
leaving
the
omac
I'm
not
just
leaving
my
chair
position,
but
I'm
actually
leaving
the
omac
because
I've
left
pia,
which
was
was
the
organization
I
represented.
S
I
really
enjoyed
my
two-year
term
and
I
would
like
to
thank
all
of
you
and
all
isaac
staff
and
all
organizational
members
for
the
support
and
encouragement
I've
had
in
my
two-year
term
but
fear
not.
I
will
still
be
bothering
you
as
a
member
of
the
england
chapter
so
I'll
still
be
around,
but
in
a
slightly
different
capacity.
S
B
S
Think
they
will
be
great
and
I
look
forward
to
hopefully
breaking
bread
with
both
them
and
many
of
you,
I
I
can
and
igf
in
the
future.
B
Okay,
good
christelle,
but
thanks
a
lot
again
and
and
yeah.
Please
we
keep
in
touch
and-
and
you
know.
H
E
B
J
K
T
T
So
if
you,
by
the
way,
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
me
today
to
present
and
talk
to
you
about
the
advisory
council,
steering.
T
T
You
first
of
all
good
morning,
good
afternoon
and
good
evening
to
all
of
the
trustees.
I
am
eduardo
diaz
and
for
those
that
do
know
me,
I
currently
live
in
puerto
rico,
and
I
was
one
of
the
40
founders
of
the
puerto
rico
chapter
where
he
was
chartered
in
2001.
T
today,
I'm
here
as
the
chair
of
the
isop
chapter
advisory
council,
stealing
committee
chair
to
talk
about.
If
you
can
pass
to
the
next
slide
about
the
following
things
for
the
benefit
of
the
new
members,
I'm
going
to
start
introducing
the
nine
members
of
the
sitting
committee,
some
who
may
be
connected
at
this
moment
or
not
I
invited
them.
I
will
briefly
go
over
the
nomenclature
that
we,
as
the
council
use.
T
So
when
you
hear
chat
full
check
sc,
you
know
what
that
means,
and
also
we
will
go
over
the
process
on
how
we
develop
advice
in
the
council
and
the
interaction
between
the
council,
the
delegates,
the
steering
committee,
the
board
and
the
I'm
going
to
finalize,
with
a
presentation
of
an
update
on
the
latest
advice
and
the
some
of
the
advices
that
we're
working
on.
T
So
there
are
nine
members
in
in
the
committee,
six
members
are
elected
and
these
elections
happen
every
year
in
november.
So
now
we're
setting
up
for
the
next
cycle.
The
terms
are
only
for
one
year,
six
of
the
members
are
elected
each
from
one
region.
So,
for
example,
I
am
from
the
latino
american
region,
the
puerto
rico
chapter.
T
There
is
olivier
on
the
uk
chapter
for
europe,
satish
babu
on
the
asian
pacific
region,
watsonai,
not
lubbo
from
the
zimbabwe,
pierre
gerende,
canada,
quebec
and
nabil
bukhalid,
from
middle
from
the
middle
east.
So
those
are
six
members
are
elected
from.
We
got
the
most
votes
from
the
region
and
then
the
rest
of
the
people
that
were
the
candidates.
They
are
ranked
in
a
in
a
descending
order
and
we
get
the
three
more.
It
doesn't
matter
where
region
they
are
from
and
three
more
who
got
the
most
votes.
T
And
it's
interesting
that
this
year
we
got
four
people
from
the
latino
american
area
because
I
am
from.
I
am
as
a
regional
one
and
from
from
the
latin
america,
but
the
other
three
are
also
from
from
latin
america.
That
means
that
there
was
a
lot
of
participation
in
voting
in
that
region.
I
believe
so,
most
probably
that's
that
would
have
happened,
but
in
any
case
we
represent
the
community.
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide
to
talk
to
you
about
someone
in
the
monk
lecture
that
we
have.
T
Obviously,
when
we
say
check
chac
we
mean
the
chapter
of
isolate
council.
It
means
everyone.
You
know
all
the
delegates,
the
student
committee,
everyone
that
is
in
the
council
now
when
we
use
the
full
check-
and
this
is
don't-
I
don't
know
where
this
came
from-
because
that's
I
guess
those
are
these-
these
are
the
things
that
people
use
every
every
every
most
of
the
time,
but
the
full
check
is.
T
We
refer
with
that.
Only
the
delegates
and
the
delegates
are
those
people
that
are
get
appointed
or
elected.
You
know
everyone
has
their
own
procedure
into
the
council,
so
when
we
say
full
check,
it's
that
it's
not
the
delegate
plus
the
steering
committee
and
I
will
explain
the
difference
between
the
two
of
them.
So
when
we
say
check
sc,
we
means
the
nine
members
of
the
steering
committee
and
those
three
things
get
all
mixed
up
somehow.
T
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
when
you
read
something
we
say
full
check
or
check
and
see
or
the
check
there
what
what
that
means,
and
also
we
define
our
bias
with
the
following
form
of
that's
the
last
bullet
and
basically
we
did
it
this
way.
So
we
can
have
a
distinctive,
distinctive
id
to
the
advice.
So
when
we
refer
to
an
advice,
is,
is
database
and
not
an
advisor
have
similar
titles,
so
we
use
a
month
a
date
and
a
dash
010203,
which
means
you
know.
T
If
we,
if
we
created
three
advices
one
day,
you
know
we
started
working
on
them
and
we
create
this
document.
That's
it.
You
know
we'll
have
dash
1.01.02.03
and
so
forth,
and
the
date
that
you
see
there
doesn't
mean
that
that's
the
day
that
we
transmit
the
advice
to
the
board,
that's
important,
because
people
get
confused.
This
is
the
date
that
we
created
the
document
that
we
started
working
on.
Okay,
because
you
know
this
could
have
been.
T
We
have
a
bias
that
we
created
like
three
or
four
months
ago
and
we
have
been
working
on
it
and
then,
when
we
transmit
it
might
be
six
months
later
so
and
you
will
see
a
difference
there.
But
the
main
point
is
that
you
get
that
you
get
to
see
that
that
specific
id,
so
you
can
refer
to
it
by
that
number.
So
next
next
slide
please
so
the
chapter
advisory
council
is
an
advisory
body
allowed
under
section
two
of
the
iso.
T
T
His
primary
purpose-
and
I'm
paraphrasing
here-
is
to
channel
and
facilitate
advice
and
recommendations
to
and
from
the
president
and
the
board
of
trustees
of
the
internet
society
in
a
bottom-up
banner,
a
bottom-up
manner.
The
check
or
the
chapter
advisory
council
can
provide
advice
on
matters
of
concerns
or
interests
to
the
chapter
community.
So
we
don't
advise
on
behalf
of
other
communities
within
with
the
iso
family.
T
So
in
other
words,
we
are
kind
of
the
steering
committee
is
kind
of
an
official
voice
of
the
chapter
community
and,
as
you
see
in
the
on
the
left
side
and
and
the
channel
goes
from
the
chapter
community,
the
chapter
delegates
and
and
then
the
chapter
delegates
will
get
issues,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
doesn't
preclude
for
a
chapter
to
come
to
us
and
and
and
provide
any
issues
or
or
concerns
that
they
have
so
it's
import.
T
So
there
is
some
consultation
going
back
going,
what
not
in
the
previous
one.
I'm
finished
with
that.
Okay,
there's
some
consultation
going
between
the
steering
committee
and
and
the
chapter
delegates
and
the
cons
and
the
community.
The
consultation
that
we
do
is
with
the
council
and
is
to
once
we
have
developed
an
advice.
We
ask
them
to
provide
us
feedback
on
that
advice
on
a
draft.
Then
we
make
a
final
document
and
then
we
put
it
out
there
for
a
consensus.
T
Call
if
somebody
objects
to
the
consensus,
then
we're
going
to
vote
and
that's
what
happened
to
the
latest
advice.
There
were
a
couple
of
chapters
that
objected
to
the
process
and
then
we
went
into
a
vote,
but
we
tried
to
do
this
in
on
consensus.
So
with
the
steering
committee,
we're
more
like
an
administrative
type
thing
that
we
manage
the
process,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
approve
anything.
Is
it
the
council
that
does
that
next
please?
T
Here
we
can
see
the
reaction
between
the
chapter
c
and
the
board.
We
send
advice
to
the
war
and
and
more
recently,
during
a
recent
meeting
with
gonzalo,
sarah
and
andrew,
we
we
reached
some
kind
of
agreement
that
anya
buys
a
ghost
that
we
want
to
send
to
the
foundation.
They
will
go
through
the
iso
board.
That
is
what
is
dotted
there
because
we
are
not
chartered
to
do
this.
Send
advice
to
the
iso
foundation,
but
you
know
there
are
some
chapters
that
want
to
contribute
with
ideas
and
concerns.
T
You
know
and
have
concerns
about
about
them,
and
the
consultation
part
here
between
the
board
and
the
steering
committee
is
different
from
what
we
have
with
the
council.
The
consultation
goes
both
ways
we
send
advice
to
the
board,
but
the
board
is
can
consult
us
and
you
know
I'm
what
I'm
saying
us
is
the
chapter
community
or
any
concern
that
they,
you
know
any
feedback,
they
want
to
get
about
anything
they
can
go
through
us
and
then
we
will
proceed
to
consult
the
chapters
so
far.
T
As
far
as
I
know
that
has
never
happened
before,
but
the
channels
you
know
part
of
the
charter
is
there
that
it
is
a
two-way
communication
there
on
that
consultation,
so
that
consultation
is
different
from
the
consultation
that
we
do
with
the
council.
Next
slide
on.
The
left
is
the
chapter
this
has
to
do
with
the
advice.
How
is
how
is
it
we
develop
very
fast
how
we
develop
advice.
The
chapter
community
is
on
the
left,
and
that
includes
the
council.
It's
implicit
there
and
then
they,
you
know
this.
T
They
bring
issues
to
the
stealing
committee,
we
evaluate
them
and
usually
what
we
do
is
we
create
an
ad
hoc
group
that'll,
do
the
kind
of
a
deep
dive,
the
due
diligence
and
and
find
out,
if
there's
really
something
recommendation
that
that
needs
to
be
put
together
and
now,
if
they
decide
that
yes,
then
there
is
a
draft
document
that
is
sent
back
to
the
council,
the
full
check
for
comments.
T
It
comes
back,
we
you
know,
we
look
at
the
comments,
we
incorporate
the
ones
that
make
sense,
and
then
we
put
it
back
as
a
final
document
for
consensual
for
the
consensus
call
or
voting
whatever.
Whatever
you
know,
what
of
the
two?
We
we
try
to
do
that's
on
on
comm
section,
so
the
next
one
please
so
this
is
I'm
I'm.
T
These
are
the
last
two
slides
that
I
have,
and
these
are
the
latest
advices
that
we
sent
so
far
and
we
haven't
seen
anything
else
after
this
one.
But
we
have
something
that
are
you
know
we're
looking
ahead,
we
I'm
going
to
show
you
something
that
we
are
preparing.
T
T
The
you
know
all
this
has
to
do
with
the
cells
of
the
pir,
which
left
a
bad
taste
in
the
house
sort
of
on
the
chapter
community,
and
I
understand
the
board-
took
action
on
number
three
and
created
this.
This
group
that
we
will
look
at
into
this
and
then
let's
go
to
the
next
one.
We
will
have
the
what
is
coming
in
the
pipe.
T
There
are
one
recommendation
that
or
solution
you
know
or
recommendation
that
we're
sending
that
we're
working
on
that
has
to
do
with
the
opt-ins
and
now
opt-outs
in
the
membership
data
base.
You
know
we
consider
those
that
would
you
know
if
you,
if
you
want
to
become
a
member
of
an
organization,
it's
expected
for
you
to
get
information
about
that
organization.
If
you
are
allowed
to
be
opt
out,
when
you
become
a
member,
then
you
don't
receive
anything.
There
is
no
communication
between
that
member
and
the
organization.
T
So
why
becoming
a
member
so
we're
looking
into
ways
of
fixing
that
or
recommendation
or
solution
for
that
and
the
second
one?
It's
not
really
a
a
a
a
bias,
but
it
is
that
we
are
looking
at
our
chart
there
and
we're
making
changes.
There
are
no
major
changes,
except
for
one
that
I
think
is
important,
but
that
has
to
do
with
fixing
typos,
making
things
more
clear
and
there's
a
network
group
that
is
working
on
that
and
it's
been
a
webinar
has
been
prepared
to.
T
You
know
tell
the
full
check
about
what
the
changes
are,
so
that
will
that
will
come
later
on
and
and
the
most
important
change
is
that
to
make
changes
to
the
charter
right
now
you
have
to
have
a
meeting
like
this.
With
two
thirds
of
the
membership,
I
mean
you're
talking
about
two-thirds
of
the
membership
of
the
whole
chapter,
which
right
now
is
around
123
125,
and
in
that
meeting
there
it
has
to
be
approved.
Obviously
there
the
ones
that
people
that
cannot
attend
they
can
send
proxies.
T
But
still
you
are
obligated
to
have
a
meeting
like
this
to
do
the
actual
voting
on
it
and
we're
changing
that
to
leave
the
two
thirds
it's
okay,
because
I
think
major
changes
to
the
charter
changes
need
a
majority
super
majority,
but
I
was
going
to
say,
but
for
the
the
having
having
been
obligated
to
do
a
meeting
like
this
for
voting,
we
don't
think
that's
efficient
enough.
We
can
do
this
electronically.
T
So
that's
an
important
change,
basically
that
of
these
things
that
we
are
doing
there
it's
here,
because
it
has
to
go
to
the
board
to
get
approved.
You
know
once
we
submit
these
changes
and
we
get
the
the
approval
from
the
full
check
we're
going
to
so
here
for
you
for
your
own.
You
know
for
approvals,
and
the
last
one
is
one
that
has
to
do
with
the
bold
access
to
membership
information.
T
You
know
there
is
no
way
now
that
a
chapter
can
download
the
membership
roster
for
whatever
reason
so
there's
a
way
you
can
do
that
in
the
nova
system.
You
could
do
it
before,
but
not
now.
We
have
been
told
that
this
has
to
do
with
the
gdpr,
but
look
I
am
inside
the
european
union.
I
am
in
puerto
rico.
I
don't
do
any
business
with
the
european
union
and
and
we're
local
to
puerto
rico,
and,
like
me,
there
are
many
chapters
like
that.
T
I'm
not
talking
about
the
ones
that
are
within
the
european
union
and
I
know
what,
by
one
case,
the
uk,
olivier
is
he's
very
concerned
about
that
too,
because
there's
somehow
he's
back
there
by
laws
or
something
the
uk
law
has
to
do.
You
know
has
to
do
something
with
the
membership,
but
he's
not
here
to
explain
what
it
is,
but
then
so
we're
looking
into
that
and
providing
recommendations.
T
How
to
do
this,
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
legal
thing
behind
this-
but
you
know
if
we
don't
do
something
about
this.
This
is
going
to
obligate
many
chapters
to
move
their
membership
roasters
into
their
own
databases
where
they
can
manage
and
and
and
do
things
with.
It
is
something
that
we
want
to
do,
but
I
see
it
coming
because
otherwise
you
know
you
don't
have
you
don't
have
the
data
yourself.
T
So
in
any
case,
that's
that's
there.
I
don't
want
to
deal
you
know
to
delve
in
within
the
the
advice
itself.
You
know
and
by
the
way
all
the
advices
have
at
the
end,
a
table
that
tells
you
the
transmittal
when
the
create
the
document
was
created.
What
happened?
You
know
when
it
was
involved
when
it
was
commented,
and
so
you
have
the
whole
process
there
on
how
it
went
through
until
it
gets
to
you.
So
with
that
I
I'm
done.
I'm
finished
sorry
for
taking
some
time.
B
Thank
you
eduardo
and
thanks
for
the
introduction,
because
we
have
some
new
trustees,
so
I
think
it's
useful
to
to
introduce
the
nomenclature
and
the
algorithm
you
have
for
naming
documents
and
and
all
that
and
one
thing
is
like
I
didn't
know,
you
called
the
chapter
advisory
council
chat
chuck.
You
know
c.
T
B
P
T
B
F
K
Interesting,
thank
you
mike
richard.
Please
have
any
divine
references
here,
merely
a
process
question
so
edvardo.
Thank
you
for
the
refresher,
even
even
for
us
continuing
trustees,
it's
useful
to
get.
You
know
clear,
clear
view
on
the
processes
here.
K
It
seems
clear
that
we've
evolved
kind
of
a
multi-tiered
process
that
has
some
complexity
to
it,
and
I
was
wondering
like
if
you
thought
that
that
we
were
really
benefiting
from
that
complexity,
or
were
there
some
some
work
in
the
perhaps
in
the
government
reform
working
here
to
develop
a
more
direct,
a
more
you
know.
The
process
that
doesn't
have
quite
all
the
layers
of
intermediation,
might
might
kind
of
facilitate
some
conversations
results
in
more
transparency,
more
visibility,
more
participation.
T
You
talk
about
our
process,
yeah
yeah.
Well,
it
sounds
complicated,
but
it's
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
not
that
that
complicated,
because
in
in
fact
we
don't
have
a
process
that
is
written
down,
I'm
just
putting
it
in
some
kind
of
graphical
forms.
You
understand
that
you
know
the
the
idea
behind.
What
I
was
saying
is
that
you
know
we
don't
need
this
on
a
you
know.
The
steering
committee
doesn't
do
things
on
on.
You
know,
there's
there's
some
kind
of
process
in
there
that
we
try
to
keep
it's
not.
T
You
know
like
a
you
know.
We
do
it
like
this
and
that
they,
like
you
know
we
get
mails
all
the
time
about
concerns
about
this.
He
tells
about
that.
So
we
take
those
and
and
and
we
work
on
them-
it's
not
that
we
go
back
and
say
you
know,
can
we
do
this
or
that
so
it
sounds
complicated,
but
it's,
but
it's
not
believe
me,
it's
not
it's
not!
I.
I
made
it
to
look
complicated,
but
it's
not.
Okay.
Thanks.
B
U
T
Oh,
I
forgot
to
tell
you:
we
we
meet
every
month,
the
steering
committee
and
then
every
quarter
every
three
around
every
three
months.
We
bring
the
full
check
and
then
we
have
a
meeting
and
then
we
present
to
them.
You
know
the
same
more
or
less
the
same
thing
that
I
presented
today.
You
know
we're
working
on
this
and
then
you
know
we
have
a
if
we
have
something
final
to
approve.
We
approve
it
there
and
you
know
like,
for
example,
these
charter
changes.
T
It's
one
thing
that
we
are
preparing
a
webinar
to
explain
the
full
track.
What
these
changes
are
so,
when
they're
ready
to
comment
on
the
document,
they
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
then
when
we
come
back
to
them
for
approval,
they
know
what
we're
talking
about.
So
so
we
have
a.
You
know
fairly
good
communication.
T
However,
you
know
when
you
have
this
meeting,
you
don't
see,
you
know
you
see,
20
chapters
participating
or
or
less,
and
you
can
see
also
a
a
participation
in
the
when
you
have
a
vote
in
like
last
time.
But
that's
that's.
That's
not.
The
same
number
usually
is
very
it's
a
very
low
voting
process.
In
fact
their
chapters
say
they
haven't,
they
don't
have
any
delegates
selected,
even
though
we
added
that
part.
T
You
know
if
we
want
to
be
like
a
one
getting
one
of
those
nice
badges
for
gigabit
chapter
or
if
you
don't
have
a
delegate.
You
know
one
of
the
points
that
you
have
to
delegate
designated
to
the
chapter
and
the
chapters
that
they
don't
have
one.
I
say
you
know
how
difficult
is
to
appoint
somebody
to
be
a
delegate
to
a
council.
T
You
know
but
yeah
we've
we
have
with
you
know
we
communicate
with
the
full
checkpoint.
You
know
whenever
we
need
to
communicate,
I
mean
we
want
to
bombard
it
with
that
with
a
you
know,
with
too
many
emails,
but
and
people
are
aware
of
what
we're
doing.
T
And
so
all
and
all
our
work
is,
you
know
visual.
We
don't
get
together,
there's
no
need
for
that.
So
that's
it
and
you
know
I
I
you
know
gonzalo.
I
talk
regularly
just
to
keep
keep
everybody
abreast
of
what's
happening,
you
know,
so
there
are
no
any
surprises
here.
That
I
mean
the
the
whole
idea
of
this
council
is
to
make
every
everything
better
you
know,
and
and
having
a
channel
official
channel
going
back
and
forth
is
a
great
thing
to
have.
T
I
mean
I
mean
anybody,
can
call
you
or
send
you
an
email.
That's
not
that
doesn't
preclude
you
from
doing
that,
but
because
of
this
process,
which
is
not
complicated,
which
are
this,
this
this
process
makes
it
more.
You
know
making
sure
that
what
you
get
is
something
that
was
the
chapter
of
throwing
them.
It's
not
something
that
we,
you
know
came
out
from
somebody's
mind
and
and
send
it
to
you.
L
Thank
you
gonzalo.
Thank
you
eduardo.
I
think
olga
roy
is
a
part
of
my
question.
I,
when
I,
when
I,
the
the
structure
of
the
of
the
full
check,
is,
I
think,
kind
of
top
down
or
top.
I
don't
know
it's
from
the
the
chapter
community
to
to
the
check
it's
one
way
for
leaving
and
sharing
information.
L
My
questions
are,
first
of
all,
how
could
you
be
sure
that
all
the
chapter
I
have
have
representative
in
senegal,
for
example,
we
have
one
representative
on
the
on
the
check,
but
it's
one
thing
is
having
a
representative
on
the
shack.
Another
thing
is
having
the
feedback
of
what's
going
on
on
the
chat,
and
how
do
you?
How
do
you
make
sure
that
you
you
go
back
to
chapters
and
how
that
is
the
the
first?
The
second
question-
and
I
have
third
one:
how
do
you?
L
T
First
of
all,
the
delegates
are
appointed
by
the
chapters
we
don't
we
don't
tell
them.
You
know,
and
I
know
staff
has
constantly
asking
people
you
know
to
to
have
chapters
to
have
delegates
and
the
chapters
up
you
know
approve
them.
You
know
they
do
their
own
procedure
of
our
election.
Now,
the
the
the
responsibility
of
the
of
the
of
the
delegate
is
to
give
you
know
to
provide
information
from
the
chap
from
their
chapters.
T
If
there's
a
concern
and
bring
it
to
us
and
vice
versa,
you
know
like
if
we
take,
for
example,
the
charter
changes.
You
know
it's
the
responsibility
of
that
delegate
to
go
back
to
their.
You
know
board
or
their
membership
and
say
look
the
charter
of
this
is
changing.
What
do
you
think?
T
You
know
what
comments
you
can
put
in
there's
some
chapters
that
do
that
they
actually
do
that
the
san
francisco
chapter
is
one
that
does
it,
and
I
know
there
are
other
chapters
that
they
they
take,
that
back
to
their
membership
and
and
and
and
and
sometimes
they
wait
for
the
membership
to
vote.
You
know
likes
like
like
for
the
advisor,
but
that's
they're.
T
Very
those
are
very
rare
chapters
that
no,
not
I
don't
know
how
many
they
are,
but
they're
very
few
that
do
that
and
what
happens
is
there
is
no
feedback,
sometimes
back
into
the
into
the
into
the
chapter
and
vice
versa.
It
doesn't
come
to
us,
but
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
other
than
than
trying
to
to
keep
asking
people
and
telling
them
that
we're
here,
for
you
and
and
and
you
know
and
and
what
else?
T
Because
that's
that's
that's
you
know
we
are
not
there
constantly
telling
people
that
they
have
to
do
this
and
that.
But
we
make
sure,
for
example,
that
we
created
this.
You
know
I
hope
in
creating
this
badging
system.
T
You
know
like
gigabits
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth
of
the
chapters,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
one
of
the
items
there
you
know
if
you
wanted
to
really
be
at
the
top
of
the
chapters
you
have
to
have
a
delegate
which
is
not
it's
not
complicated.
To
have
it
now.
Once
that
person
is
there,
then
they
they
should
be
able
to
do
this
back
and
forth.
T
I
don't
know
if
I
answer
all
your
questions,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
diversity
part.
J
L
You,
how
do
you?
How
could
you
be
sure
that
you
are
what
your
your
your
opinion
is
the
opinion
of
the
most
of
the
chapter?
Do
you
have
a
quorum?
Do
you
have
kind
of
that,
and
also
on
the
diversity
issue?
Do
you
have
any
you
know
kind
of
rule
of
diversity?
If
you
have
you
know,
50
50
from
latin
american
or
20
percent
from
africa
or
you
know,
depend
of
the
number
of
the
chapter
who
are
involved
on
because
you,
you
are
supposed
to
represent
the
whole
chapter
around
the
world.
L
T
Okay,
well,
the
the
steering
committee,
like
I
say,
six
members
are
coming
from
one
from
each
region,
gets
selected
from
one
region
so
for
from
africa
you
know
every
vote
from
some
other
candidate
from
one
of
the
chapters
in
africa
you
know
and
and
latino
america
and
so
forth.
So
six
of
the
people
there
are,
you
know,
come
from
from
from
each
region.
So
that's
how
you
get
the
representation
from
the
chapters
in
the
to
the
steering
committee
and
the
other
three
and
non
non
non
geographical.
T
I
don't
know
the
reason
for
that
other
than
maybe
nine
is
the
perfect
number
and
nine
being
an
odd
number
allows
you
to
have
a
boat,
not
a
which
is
you
know
yes
or
no?
You
don't
have
a
a
you
know
a
50
50
type
thing
you
have
50
plus
once
always,
if
all
of
them
both
diversity.
T
You
know
each
chapter
is
independent,
so
a
chapter
have
their
own
by
rules
and
they
select
people
to
their
board
and
the
membership
is.
Is
you
know
we
don't
do
anything
with
that
and-
and
I
believe
iso
god
doesn't
do
that
either.
In
terms
of
saying
that
you
know
all
the
chapters
have
their
own,
there
are
their
own,
they
are,
they
are
independent
within
that
respect,
and
the
having
diversity
in
the
in
the
steering
committee
is
something
that
comes
with
the
people
that
I
mean
in
diversity.
T
In
terms
of
you
know,
female
male,
no,
no,
regional,
it
depends
who
the
candidates
are,
you
know
and
it's
it's
an
election
process,
so
it's
not
like
they
get
appointed.
They
are
elected
by
the
chapters
more
or
less
like
the
board.
Is
you
know
in
terms
of
the
process.
B
Yeah,
I
usually
leave
it
on
muted,
but
this
time
I
did
it,
I
I
was
saying
that
thanks
eduardo,
I
was
thanking
you
any
further
questions.
Just
it's
worthwhile
that
you
know
and
george
has
actually
expressed
interest
in
the
individual
members,
and
you
mentioned
that
eduardo.
B
So
at
some
point
you
know
we
I
mean
not
now,
because
we
don't
have
time,
but
probably
you
know
it
would
be
good
to
actually
look
at
georgie
and
I
I
know
that
all
guys
in
the
queue
so
olga
and
then
george
briefly,
and
then
we
will
wrap
up
so
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
U
You
very
briefly,
and
thank
you.
I
think
that
that
you
have
many
participants
in
the
steering
committee
from
latin
america.
It's
not
by
chance
it's
because
of
the
of
the
staff
doing
a
great
job
there,
because
nancy
is
constantly
reminding
chapters
what
they
have
to
do.
They
have
to
vote,
they
have
to
be
present,
they
have
so
that
is
very
important.
So
it's
not
by
chance
that
you
have
many
people
from
the
region.
U
J
Thank
you.
Well,
I
share
some
of
the
things
that
maya
has
said
and
that
olga
has
said
also
in
terms
of
membership,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
membership
initiative
coming
up,
so
I'm
really
relegating
myself
to
listening
and
thinking
about
the
issues
rather
than
participating.
At
this
point.
B
That's
perfect,
yeah.
We
will
make
sure
that
to
loop,
you
in
because
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
you
know-
also
your
interest.
You
have
expressed
interest
in
that,
so
I
think
it's
it's
good
and
and
individual
members
I
mean
it's
something
that
we've
been
thinking
about
for
a
long
time.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
high
time
that
we
we
do
something
about
it.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
you
talk
about
membership
at
the
beginning
and
we
are
looking
at
everything
you
know
in
let's
say
holistic
way,
just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
every
everybody
is
is
represented:
okay,
okay,
eduardo
thanks
a
lot
again,
I'm
apologizing
to
all
speakers
for
making
you
work
over
the
weekend
and
by
the
way
you
have
probably
seen
I
I
sent
to
the
checklist.
No,
I'm
gonna
call
it
like
that.
B
T
H
B
H
B
Okay,
good,
so
now
we're
gonna
have
a
break
so
kevin.
You
can
stop
the
recording.
B
A
A
So
I
I
want
to
remind
you
the
we're
doing
this
in
open
session,
but
the
first
part
of
that
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
kevin.
The
the
first
part
of
this
is
based
on
a
report
that
you
all
have,
but
that
report
is
confidential
because
it
contains
enough
detail
in
some
cases
that
people
would
be
able
to
identify
somebody
or
whatever,
and
you
know
that
would
be
inappropriate
to
publish
widely.
A
So
I've
been
pretty
careful
in
this,
not
to
you
know
not
to
step
over
that.
But
if
you
have
questions
because
we're
an
open
session
on
on
you
know,
we
have
to
be
careful
to
talk
at
general
levels
and
if
you
have
specific
questions,
perhaps
you
can
note
those-
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
that
during
the
closed
session.
A
If,
if
need
be
next
slide,
please
so
the
the
top
line
thing
about
this
is
that
we
have
a
generally
positive
assessment
of
the
of
the
way
that
the
structure
is.
But
there
are
some
adjustments
needed,
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
today.
Next,
please.
A
A
So,
historically
we
were
arranged
in
functional
departments
and
the
difficulty
with
that
was
that
both
policy
and
technical
priorities
were
split
between
the
the
you
know,
sort
of
global
policy
and
technical
areas
and
the
regional
focus
and-
and
so
nobody
ultimately
was
responsible
for
any
initiative
that
that
we
were
that
we
had,
and
also
because
of
this
split,
you
had
people
who
were
working
on
the
technology
and
people
working
on
the
policy
just
for
instance,
and
the
problem
is
that
all
of
the
things
that
are
interesting
to
the
internet,
society
live
at
the
nexus
of
the
policy
and
technology
inter
interaction.
A
And
so
it
was
very
difficult
to
make
you
know
to
make
progress
on
on
our
areas
of
priority,
so
we
came
up
with
this
approach
that
sorts
the
organization
basically
into
four
chunks.
One
chunk
is
a
fairly
conventional
organizational
piece
business
operations.
A
Another
trunk
has
to
do
with
external
interaction
and
so
on.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
zoom
in
here.
So
you
know
one
is
the
business
operations,
another
strategy,
communications
and
engagement.
It's
really
to
do
with
how
we
interact
with
people
who
are
not
part
of
the
organization,
strictly
speaking,
the
the
staff
organization,
so
our
community,
but
also
external
communities.
This
is
where
training
and
and
communications
and
so
on,
lives.
A
We
have
then
in
what
you'll
sometimes
hear
as
the
north
and
the
reason
for
this
north
and
south
and
all
is
because,
when
I
originally
drew
this
up
to
explain
it
to
people,
I
drew
it
on
four
points
of
the
compass
to
try
to
show
how
these
things
clustered
together.
Unfortunately,
that
language
has
settled
in
it's.
You
know
yet
another
example
of
how
you
know
careless
use
of
a
term
one
time
will
doom
you
to
use
that
term
forever.
In
any
case,
we
have
another
office.
A
That
is
is
resource
and
skill
management,
and
this
is
where
project
staff
are
are
located,
that
that
is
where
their
functional
you
know,
their
their
line.
Management
lives
in
in
in
the
office
of
resource
and
skill
management.
And
then
there
are
two
areas
that
we
organize
staff
projects
all
of
the
projects
that
we
do
are
organized
under
the
rubric
of
internet
growth
or
of
the
strong
internet.
A
So
those
are
the
two
things
on
the
two
areas
into
which
we
have
organized
things,
and
basically
this
works
such
that
people
who
are
in
other
parts
of
the
organization
are
assigned
to
projects
in
these
departments,
rather
than
them
being
first
class
on
department.
A
So
people
are
not
part
of
the
internet,
growth
staff
or
part
of
the
strong
internet
staff
instead
they're
part
of
the
internet
society
staff
and
then
we're
working
on
on
these
things,
and
we
we
shift
people
around
according
to
the
talents
that
we
need
to
bring
to
bear
on.
On
various
things,
the
people
in
the
double
circles
there,
internet
growth,
strong
internet
office
of
cfo
and
business
operations,
strategy,
communications
and
engagement
and
the
office
of
resource
and
skill
management-
that
is,
that
is
the
senior
executive
team.
A
Those
are
people
who
report
directly
to
me
also
on
here
are
represented
in
sort
of
you
know,
small
on
in
the
small
board,
lead
zone,
obviously
another
important
function
and
the
internet
society
foundation,
but
those
are
parts
of
the
support
of
this
organization,
and
what
we're
really
talking
about
today
is
the
function
that
causes
the
organization
to
deliver
on
on
its
action
plan.
Just
to
be
clear,
the
senior
vice
president
for
internet
growth
is
jane.
A
Coffin
for
strong
internet
is
joe
hall,
our
cfo
and
business
operations
you
spoke
to
earlier
today
on
sandy
specter
strategy.
Communications
and
engagement
is
led
by
rinalia,
abdul
rahim
and
the
office
of
resources
and
skill
management
is
led
by
sally
wenworth.
Next,
please
now.
This
evaluation
was
one
that
I
committed
to
do
when
we
when
we
undertook
this,
but
this
is
a
management
evaluation.
It's
looking
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
senior
executive
team.
Is
this
working?
A
We
set
this
up
around
questions
of
performance
orientation,
the
dynamic
talent
model,
organizational
flexibility,
and
you
know
sort
of
other
catch-all
observations,
but
those
were
really
the
top
on
the
top
three
things.
This,
therefore,
is
is
not
not
an
evaluation
that
is
based
on
objective
criteria.
In
the
usual
sense,
those
will
come
from.
You
know
whether
we
meet
our
budget
commitments,
whether
we
meet
our
commitments
in
the
action
plan,
we
have
a
plan
for
a
staff
survey
late
in
the
year,
so
those
are
our
other
things
that
will
be
coming.
A
A
So
the
the
reason
we
think
this
is
largely
working
is
because
it
appears
to
be
achieving
many
of
the
things
that
it
that
we
set
out
to
do.
We
do
see
activities
developing
across
the
organization.
I
have
an
example
mentioned
here.
We
also
see
some
collaboration
on
measurement
and
evaluation
of
the
activities
that
the
organization
undertakes.
A
We've
got
quite
a
bit
of
flexibility
in
face
of
the
changed
realities.
The
organization
responded
pretty
effectively,
I
thought
to
covet
19
and
I
think
I
thought
that
was
a
good
test
and
we've
got
some
significant
public
successes
already
and
a
good
example
of
this
is
the
way
we
managed
to
get
the
whole
organization
to
support
the
global
encryption
coalition,
which
you
know
was
a,
was
a
significant
success.
A
So
I
think
in
all
of
these
areas
and
in
some
more
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes,
we
can
see
some.
You
know
some
some
ways
in
which
this
is
working.
Next,
please,
there
are
some
challenges,
and
I
I
don't
want
to
minimize
these,
because
I
think
you
know
these
are
these
are
top
level
ones
and
we'll
see
some
challenges
in
in
each
of
the
areas
that
we
were
we
set
out
to
fix.
A
One
thing
that
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
transaction
of
the
pi
with
pir
that
the
timing
of
that
could
not
have
been
any
worse.
We
had
already
announced
that
we
were
doing
this
we'd
started
down
this
path
when
we
were
approached
by
ethos.
I
told
you
about
about
this
at
the
time
everybody
recognized
that
we
were
gonna
do
that.
A
I
have
to
give
a
lot
of
thanks
to
the
staff
for
digging
in
and-
and
you
know,
completing
this
anyway,
despite
the
fact
that
the
organization
was,
you
know,
paying
a
lot
of
attention
to
some
other
things
as
well.
There
are
still
some
some
top
level
issues
that
that
sometimes
we
trip
over,
we
still
got
some
jobs
that
are
awkward
fit.
We
made,
you
know
essentially
a
complete
transformation
of
the
organization
and
not
everything
worked
perfectly.
A
So
there
are
some
job
descriptions
that
probably
need
to
be
tidied
up
a
little
bit
in
order
to
get
things
to
fit.
Well,
we
still
have
a
bunch
of
issues
to
do
with
communication
and
making
priorities
clear
that
that
really
needs
to
be
improved.
Still,
it's
not
too
surprising.
This
is
a
big
change
and
it
takes
some
time.
We've
also
got
some
old
habits,
so
people
worked
together
in,
in
particular,
organizational
structures
for
a
long
time
and
those
things
don't
change
overnight.
A
So
you
have
to
you
know:
we
have
to
continue
to
to
work
on
the
new
habits
next,
please.
A
So
there
were
a
whole
bunch
of
top
line
things
that
I
identified
early
on
as
issues
that
I
I
wanted.
I
wanted
a
new
any
new
structure
to
to
improve,
and
I
think
that
we
can
see
in
these
cases
we've
got
ways
in
which
it's
working
in
ways
in
which
it's
not
the
first
of
these
was
financial
understanding.
A
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
observed
more
than
once
is
that
you
know
historically,
the
internet
societies
up
to
date,
reporting
about
exactly
what
what
people
are
working
on
and
how
how
the
expenditure
on
the
staff,
for
instance,
relates
to
the
the
project
work
that
we're
doing
that's
not
always
as
clear
as
it
might
be,
and
the
that
is
something
that
is
really
coming
out
of
this
we're
starting
to
we're
starting
to
see
some
motion
on
that.
So
that's
that's
good
news.
A
We
still
got
some
work
to
do
on
this.
I
don't
want
to
pretend
that
it's
all
you
know
all
fixed,
but
I
think
that
we
still
do
have
some
work
to
do,
but
I
I
believe
that
this
this
is
in
the
right.
This
trend
isn't
going
the
right
direction.
Next,
please
we.
We
had
a
problem
in
the
past
that,
because
the
because
staff
were
bound
to
a
functional
area,
it
was
difficult
to
get
staff
who
had
talent.
A
You
know
related
to
some
particular
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
are
well
aligned
with
with
doing
that
thing.
So
what
we
have
seen
is
that
this
really
does
give
us
a
mechanism
by
which
we
can
identify
the
skills
that
are
going
to
be
needed
for
any
given
area
of
work,
and
then
we
can
determine
whether
we
have
the
skills
or
whether
we
need
to
get
them
or
train
them
up,
or
something
like
that.
A
We
also
have
a
really
good
way
now
of
identifying
places
in
which
we
we
don't
have
quite
enough
people
working
on
a
thing.
A
good
example
of
this
has
come
up
recently,
where
we've
needed.
You
know
particular
linguistic
skills
in
some
in
some
areas
of
the
world
and
we're
a
little
shorthanded
on
that
and-
and
I
think
historically
that
wouldn't
have
been
quite
as
obvious-
we
do
still
have
a
problem
that
there
are
some
staff
that
are
over
subscribed
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
not
everything
fits.
A
You
know
really
tidily,
there's
another
thing
that
I
will
say
about
the
staff
organization,
and
that
is
because
of
the
long-standing
way
in
which
things
were
organized.
There
was
a
tendency
of
people
to
wonder
who
knows
something
that
is
who
do
I
ask
to
get
something
done
rather
than
to
have
the
organization
have
mechanisms
and
procedures
by
which
various
issues
can
be
engaged
with,
and
so
we
have
to.
A
We
have
to
make
that
in
the
way
we
think
about
these
things,
and
that
is
something
that
I
believe
this
organizational
structure
is
helping
to
do,
but
we
still
have
to
get
there
next,
please,
an
important
part
of
success
has
to
do
with
whether
we
produce
things
that
are
on
time
and
on
budget.
We
do
have
positive
indicators
here.
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
evaluate
this
really
effectively
this
year
covet
19
through
everything
up
in
the
air.
A
So
you
know
if
you
made
really
detailed
plans
in
october
of
last
year,
october
and
november,
you
know,
by
by
march
things
looked
very
different
and,
and
that
means
that
I'm
being
held
really
strictly
to
that
is,
is
difficult,
but
I
I
still
think
there
are
positive
indicators
we
do
still
have
and
and
look.
This
is
not
a
unique
thing
to
the
internet
society
right
time.
A
Tracking
and
estimation
are
problems
that
bedevil
every
organization
I've
ever
heard
of,
and
you
know
the
internet
society
also
needs
to
improve
in
this
area.
So
this
is.
This
is
something
that
we're
working
on
next,
please.
A
Oh
one
of
the
questions
that
we
were
facing
with
the
previous
structure
was
a
concern
about
mobility
among
the
staff.
You
know
the
in
in
or
historically,
the
organization
was
quite
small
and
it
grew
quite
rapidly
for
a
period
of
time,
and
so
we
do
have.
A
We
had
a
period
in
which
it
looked
like
a
very
great
place
to
have
a
lot
of
dynamic
talent
movement,
but
we're
not
in
the
position
of
super
growth
anymore,
and
this
means
that
you
know
there
aren't
maybe
as
many
opportunities
for
career
growth,
and
so
the
question
was:
how
do
we?
How
do
we
structure
the
organization
so
that
that
growth
can
happen
anyway?
And
what
we've
seen
is
that
the
this
structure
provides
people
with
a
number
of
those
opportunities.
A
We've
managed
to
uncover
talents
that
people
had
that
were
partly
hidden
and
there's
a
a
greater
training
and
career
path
here,
and
so
some
people
are
really
embracing
that
and
taking
advantage
of
it.
There
are
people
who
would
prefer
to
have
a
traditional
management
path
in
their
career,
and
this
organizational
structure
is
pretty
flat.
A
Actually
so
it's
designed
not
to
create
a
lot
of
management
hierarchy,
and
so
people
who
really
want
a
management
hierarchy
job
and
that's
where
they're
looking
for
some
of
them
are
of
course
not
too
pleased
about
the
structure,
and
there
are
just
people
who
haven't
accepted
the
new
structure,
because
change
is
hard
and
we
can.
We
can
observe
that
we
do
still,
as
I
mentioned
before,
have
some
over
subscribed
people
and
that's
very,
very
hard
on
them,
and
so
we
we
need
to.
We
need
to
cope
with
that
urgently.
A
Next,
please
we
needed
to
have
a
faith
in
information
flow.
I
the
you
know.
We've
commented
on
this
more
than
once
within
the
board.
I
think
it's
true
across
the
internet
society
that
there
is
a
general
concern
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
involved,
and
I
think
that
we
do
have.
A
It's
still
the
case,
however,
and
this
this
is
always
the
this
is
always
the
issue
when,
when
you're
dealing
with
any
kind
of
thing
that
involves
communities,
there
is
the
tendency
sometimes
to
mistake,
collaboration
for
involving
everybody.
You
know
everybody
who
times
the
right
answer
is
to
get
a
small
team
to
work
on
something
first
and
then,
and
then
you
know
build
on
that,
and-
and
we
still
don't
completely-
have
that
that
mindset
in
all
cases
some
some
of
the
teams
really
get
it.
A
Others
are
having
some
some
trouble
with
that
shift.
We
do
still
have
problems
with
information
tools.
I
think
the
I
think
the
collaboration
tools
at
the
internet
society
are
are
being
worked
on,
we're
having
good
success
there,
but
we
don't
have
them
today.
A
There
is
one
more
thing
that
I'm
a
little
reluctant
about.
I
I
sort
of
hinted
at
this
at
the
at
the
beginning,
about
the
you
know,
north
and
south,
and
so
on,
there's
a
danger
that
any
structure
can
become
a
new
silo
in
which
people
don't
communicate
outside
of
that
and
the
the
current
travel
restrictions,
and
so
on
tend
to
discourage
the
sort
of
informal
collaboration
that
you
get
in
offices
and
the
like,
and
so
I
think
we
are.
You
know
we
need
to
keep
our
eye
on
that.
A
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
a
problem,
but
I
think
we
need
to
keep
our
eye
on
it
next.
Please,
though,
another
thing
that
we
were
really
concerned
about
had
to
do
with
the
reputation
of
the
internet
society
for
effectiveness.
One
of
the
difficulties
that
I
think
we
have
been
you
know
frank
about
in
in
in
previous
meetings-
is
that
not
every
thing
that
we've
ever
done
has
has
produced
very
clear
outcomes,
and
I
think
that
what
we're
seeing
in
the
current
environment
is
is
really
positive.
A
Development
that
we're
getting
very
clear
developments
in
collaboration
that
we
have
with
people
that
that
show
the
value
of
the
organization.
We
have
very
good
feedback
on
the
action
plan
in
december.
In
the
middle
of
a
very
serious
controversy,
people
were
still
quite
positive
about
the
action
plan
we
got.
A
We
got
some
modest
gain
in
org
member
numbers,
although
the
revenue
is
down,
but
if
we
can
attract
more
people,
you
know
a
bigger
coalition
is
still
a
bigger
coalition
and
that's
usually
a
sign
that
people
think
that
you're
doing
something
useful.
We
still
got
some
reputational
issues.
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
communications
later
on
in
closed
session,
but
it
there
there
are
still
some
reputational
issues
and
I
think
it
would
be
foolish
to
ignore
those
next
please.
A
So,
as
you
see
you
know,
my
view
is
that.
A
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
is
it
back
yes,
yeah
all
right,
so
is
there
something
you
need
me
to
go
over
or
is
that
enough.
A
Beginning
of
this
slide
the
beginning
of
this
slide.
Okay,
so
all
I
was
saying
was
to
sum
up:
you
know
that
overall
we're
going
to
stick
with
the
with
the
structure
that
we
have.
There
are
some
some
minor
adjustments
that
we'll
make
to
some
parts
of
the
organization
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
deliver
on
the
projects
on
the
budget
and
and
so
on.
A
So
unless
there
are
questions
specific
to
the
the
org
structure,
then
I
think
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
piece,
but
I'm
okay,
to
take
questions
on
this.
If
you
want
to
do
that.
B
A
So
we'll
go
on
to
the
action
plan
next,
please-
and
I
guess
the
slide
after
this,
so
in
your
in
your
pack
in
the
in
the
in
board
effect-
is
a
really
really
complete.
Half
year
report,
I
I
mean
I
I
hope
you
all
looked
at
it,
but
it's
it's
very
detailed
and
you
know
I
have
to
thank
the
staff
for
for
putting
that
together.
This
I'm
not
gonna,
go
through
that
in
detail.
A
This
is
really
just
to
talk
at
the
very
high
level
in
order
to
highlight
some
things
that
I
think
are
important
themes
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
board.
Next,
please
again,
I
want
to
thank
the
thank
the
the
dedicated
strategy
and
impact
measurement
and
planning
and
reporting
staff.
They
did
a
whole
lot
of
work
on
this.
That's
that
is
yet
another
example
of
within
the
organization
that
we
now
have
that
in
the
past
we
didn't
always
have,
and
so
it's
it's
become
much
easier.
A
I
really
focused
in
this
case
about
activities
with
targets
outside
of
the
staff,
so
this
is
about
stuff
that
the
world
is
seeing
the
internet
society
doing
rather
than
stuff
that
the
internet
society
is
doing
itself.
So
the
detailed
management
report
stuff
is
all
in
the
is
all
in
inside
the
pack,
but
I
figured
that
the
things
that
you're
most
interested
in
are
the
stuff
that
is
publicly
visible.
A
Next,
please
so
you'll
remember
that
the
projects
are
divided
into
into
internet
growth
and
strong
internet,
and
so
that's
the
the
organizational
structure
of
the
next
few
parts.
So
these
are
the
projects
that
are
about
internet
growth
and
the
first
of
these
is
about
community
networks.
A
We
were
really
nervous
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
when
it
became
obvious
that
we
were
going
to
start
seeing
very
serious
travel
restrictions,
because
it's
very
very
difficult
to
do
support
of
people
to
connect
them
to
the
internet
remotely
because
they're
not
connected
to
the
internet,
and
so
we
were
quite
concerned
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
area
that
was
really
going
to
suffer
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
say
that
we've
had
good
luck.
A
Anyway,
we
have
good
on
connections
with
people
in
you
know
in
our
partner
organizations,
and
so
so
we're
having
having
some
continued
success.
There
we've
also
had,
because
people
are
paying
attention
to
the
value
that
the
internet
has
right.
Now.
What
we're
seeing
is
that
internet
stories
are,
you
know
they
get
more
attention.
So,
for
instance,
there
was
a
really
great
story
that
showed
up
in
argentina
and
the
the
network
provider
that
was
providing
connectivity
to
a
community
network
said.
A
Oh,
I
didn't
know
it
was
that
important
and
increase
the
connectivity
that
was
available
to
them
just
by
reading
a
newspaper
article.
So
this
is
the
sort
of
of
thing
this
project
has
been
able
to
do.
The
project
has
the
ability
to
continue
to
get
people
involved,
we're
having
good
on
luck
with
governments,
we're
having
good
luck
with
regulators,
we're
having
good
luck,
seeing
actual
policy
changes
in
the
field
the
g7
has
mentioned
it.
A
We've
got
also
chapters
and
organizational
members
who
are
really.
You
know
keen
and
excited
about
this
work,
and
so
this
is
one
of
the
areas
where
we're
seeing
direct
involvement
in
deployment,
but
also
involvement
in
advocacy
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
topic,
and
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
education
sessions
as
well
with
the
community.
Next,
please,
infrastructure
and
community
development.
You
will
probably
recognize
this
as
as
the
project
that
does
a
lot
of
ixp
work.
A
This
is
where
the
the
large
grant
that
we
have,
for
instance,
from
facebook
on
lives.
One
of
the
big
deals
that
that
shows
up
here
is
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
outreach
events.
A
lot
of
people
were
paying
attention
to
it.
We
had
you
know
good
good
attendance
for
trainees
and
and
direct
bene
benefit.
A
We've
also
had
direct
ixp
development
support
in
12
countries
across
those
four
regions,
and
this
culminated
in
a
review
report
that
was
over
eight
years.
This
attracted
some
international
media
attention.
So
we've
actually
had
you
know
good
luck,
but
this
is
a
long-term
pattern
on
where
we
can
see.
Really
the
internet
approach
to
things
is
is
helping
and
that
it's
reducing
costs.
A
The
report
highlighted
that
this
was
saving
millions
of
dollars
on
in
in
africa,
and
it's
a
it's
a
big
deal
for
people
who
are
you
know
having
to
decide.
Do
I
spend
that
money
on
subsea
cable
transit,
or
do
I
spend
that
money
on
things
that
I
can
do
here
within
my
within
my
country
or
within
the
continent?
A
Next
slide,
please,
the
last
growth
project
is
about
measuring
the
internet,
and
this
is
a
project
that
is
intended
to
give
us
the
capability
to
be
a
clearinghouse
that
is
in
it's
intended
to
to
make
isoc
the
place
where
people
can
go
as
a
one-stop
shop.
In
order
to
understand,
what's
going
on
on
the
internet,
there's
a
lot
of
measurement
going
on
on
the
internet.
We
don't
need
to
reproduce
all
of
that
work,
but
it's
very
hard
to
get
for
policy
makers
and
other
people
who
are
doing
that.
That's
what
this
is
about.
A
So
we've
we've
signed
some
agreements,
but
this
is
all
getting
started
really
so
the
first
half
of
the
year
was
mostly,
you
know,
running
rfps
and
starting
on
the
the
work
with
frontworks
and
writing
down
the
use
cases,
and
so
on
so
look
for
more
work
on
this
in
the
future.
We
have
attracted
quite
a
bit
of
attention,
however,
through
this
project,
because
people
keep
coming
to
us
to
ask
you
know:
is
the
internet
really
melting
down
and
we
can
say
that
say
to
them?
A
A
Next
slide,
please,
the
other
projects
that
we're
working
on
are
to
increase
the
strength
of
the
internet,
so
the
growth
of
the
internet
is
really
just
making
it
bigger,
but
the
other
problem
that
the
internet
is
facing
right
now
is
that
a
lot
of
people
you
know
they've
decided
that
they're
not
sure
the
internet
was
such
a
good
idea
in
the
first
place
and
we're
here
to
convince
them
that
the
intranet
is
a
great
thing
and
that
it
should
be
strong
next,
please
so
we
have
a
project
on
encryption.
A
I
feel
very
strongly
that
the
current
drift
in
encryption
policy
discussions
is
extraordinarily
dangerous
for
the
internet.
We
did
manage
to
launch
the
global
encryption
coalition
with
a
number
of
partners.
That's
been
from
my
point
of
view
very
successful.
We've
also
had
good
training
events.
We've
had
lots
of
chapters
involved.
There
were
three
languages
represented.
A
A
Had
this
huge
was
hugely
attractive,
and
this
is
part
of
our
key
message,
because
a
lot
of
the
time
what
we
hear
about
encryption
is
is
a
false
dichotomy
between
safety
on
the
one
hand
and
privacy,
on
the
other
hand,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
break
that
mistake
in
thinking
and
remind
people
that
privacy
and
security
are
part
of
the
same
problem
and
that's
a
big
part
of
the
message
that's
being
carried
forward
here.
Next,
please.
A
We
have
another
large
project
that
is,
that
was
doing
mostly
insider
work
in
the
in
the
first
half
of
the
year
and
that's
about
the
internet
way
of
networking
the
the
way
that
the
internet
develops.
You
know
using
independent
networks
that
are
all
working
together
using
common
protocols
and
so
on,
that
is
under
attack
it's
under
attack
by
by
corporations
that
basically
would
like
to
own
the
entire
stack
it's
under
attack
by
international
standards,
development
organizations
that
would
like
to
you
know,
reinvent
the
old
telephony
type
of
system.
A
It's
under
attack
by
governments
who
have
figured
out
that
this
internet
thing
you
know,
puts
capabilities
in
the
hands
of
of
the
end
point
that
it's
harder
for
them
to
control.
So
it's
really
been
it's.
It's
really
a
problem
for
the
internet
society.
The
internet
way
is
under
attack,
and
so
we
have
been
working
very
hard
internally.
The
staff
have
been
working
to
prepare
things
and
so
on.
There
is
a
policy
development
project
process.
A
Consultation
going
on
right
now
about
the
framework
for
this,
so
things
will
become
quite
a
bit
more
visible
in
this
project.
In
the
latter
half
of
the
year,
but
already
the
debates
around
section
230
in
the
united
states,
as
well
as
on
you,
know,
similar
discussions
in
other
places,
but
in
the
united
states
this
has
suddenly
become
a
very,
very
hot
item,
and
so
it
has
drawn
on
these
resources
already,
which
allows
us
to
test
out
whether
our
messages
are
effective
at
explaining
what
the
issues
are
to
people
next
slide.
Please.
A
Mutually
agreed
norms
for
routing
security,
you'll
have
heard
of
this
as
manners,
and
this
is
an
effort
that
really
illustrates
actually
very
nicely.
The
internet
way
of
networking.
That
is,
a
lot
of
people
would
like
to
fix
routing
by
making
government
mandates
for
how
to
fix
this
or
by
telling
people
what
to
do
or
regulation
or
whatever.
Instead,
what
we
have
been
doing
is
saying
no.
This
is
actually
something
that
network
operators
can
do
by
developing
things
that
they
can
test
themselves,
and
so
we
built
an
observatory.
A
Members
of
the
manor's
project
can
look
at
on
the
behavior
and
look.
This
is
going
to
result
in
people
making
decisions
about
whether
they
trust
routing
announcements
from
other
people,
but
that's
the
whole
idea.
We
just
saw
a
routing
leak
that
happened
just
the
other
day.
The
people
who
are
working
on
this
project
produced
an
analysis
of
what
happened
very
very
quickly.
A
We've
had
a
lot
of
increase
in
members
over
the
last
little,
while
I
think
the
450
members
is
now
already
outdated
on
their
500
autonomous
systems
and
all
of
the
programs.
So
we
were
really
starting
to
see
this
take
off
and-
and
I
know
that
there
have
been
historically
some
doubts
about
whether
this
thing
was
going
to
work.
A
What
we
see
is
that
if
we
put
the
right
resources
behind
on
these
kinds
of
efforts-
and
we
develop
a
community
around
this
effort,
then
the
community
begins
to
take
off
and
then
it
can
run
itself
manners
is
an
independent
community,
we're
fostering
it
for
the
time
being,
but
over
time
we
expect
that
the
that
this
community
will
spin
out
of
the
internet
society
and
not
be
a
project
of
the
internet
society
as
such
and
that's
been
the
way
the
community
has
expressed
their
preferences
to
us.
B
F
I'm
also
happy
to
wait.
It's
actually
on
the
previous
issue,
with
the
internet
way
of
networking.
So
if
you
want
to
take
them
at
the
end,
I'm
happy
to
do
that
or
if
you
want
to
go
back,
no
go
ahead.
F
So
historically,
when
you've
described
the
internet
way
of
networking,
you've
tried
to
avoid
the
internet
society
becoming
the
everything
society.
By
really
focusing
the
efforts
of
the
group
on
other
things
which
are
critical
to
the
internet,
remaining
the
internet
and,
unfortunately,
the
attack
surface
for
the
internet
is
broad
enough
and
though
interlocking
pieces
of
it
are
sufficiently
tightly
found
that
a
lot
of
the
attacks
we
see
from
policymakers
on
the
internet.
Look
like
they're
an
attack
at
a
high
level
system,
but
in
fact,
kind
of
reciprocate
down.
F
And
I
I
wonder
whether
that
tight
messaging
as
valuable
as
it
appears
to
be
in
in
retaining
focus,
is
actually
going
to
be
perhaps
missing
some
of
the
most
critical
attacks
because
they
appear
to
be
launched
at
higher
layers
than
the
internet
way
of
networking
itself.
F
And
I
think
the
the
fact
that
the
section
230
debate
in
the
us
has
drawn
on
these
resources
is
a
hint
that
there
are
a
variety
of
these
that
are,
you
know,
certainly
above
the
internet,
working
layer
that
are
still
critical
to
the
internet,
way
of
sharing
content
across
the
network
of
creating
network
effects
out
of
the
ability
to
build
communities-
and
I
just
would
like
you
to
maybe
tell
us
where
your
current
set
of
that
boundary
is
and
how
much
you're
willing
to
stretch
it
to
respond
to
some
of
the
changing
ways
in
which
policy
makers
are
attacking.
F
A
Oh,
so
there
are
sort
of
three
answers
to
this.
The
first
thing
is
that
the
pdp
that
has
gone
out
what
one
of
the
one
of
the
problems
that
I
have
observed,
you
know
first
as
a
member
now
as
part
of
the
staff
of
the
with
with
the
way
the
internet
society
has
approached.
A
Some
of
these
things
is
that
our
inside
baseball
and
our
outside
baseball
voices
were
frequently
the
same
one,
and
so
we
would
talk
about
stuff
in
terms
that
other
people
within
our
own
community
could
understand,
and
we
wouldn't
always
then
do
the
second
effort
of
taking
that
stuff
that
we
all
had
an
agreement
about
and
turning
it
into
something
that
could
be
comprehended
easily
by
somebody
who
just
didn't
understand
the
distinctions
that
we
were
trying
to
make,
and
so
the
first
thing
that
we
have
to
do
is
be
clear
about
this
framework,
because
it's
part
of
our
community
is
part
of
our
policy
development
that
we
have
to
do.
A
But
what
that
means
is
that
there
needs
to
be
follow-on
work
beyond
this.
That
is
not.
You
know,
we're
not
going
to
hand
this
framework
over
to
policymakers.
In
in
the
u.s
congress,
or
in
australia
or
in
india
or
wherever,
instead,
what
we
have
to
do
is
is
is
turn
this
into
materials
that
are
are
then
tailored
to
the
local
considerations
at
that
time,
on
the
basis
of
the
stuff
that
we
have
developed,
that
is
the
real
policy.
So
that's
the
first
piece.
A
The
second
piece
is
that
we
need
to
understand
that
the
the
the
place
at
which
the
boundary
lives
is
not.
You
know,
part
of
the
seven
layer
model
that
is
there
there
isn't.
You
know
there
isn't
a
line
that
you
can
draw
somewhere
below
the
application
layer,
that
is
the
internet
society's
problem
and
everything
above
that
is
just
like.
You
know
somebody
else's
job,
because
the
real
question
is:
is
this
part
of
inter-networking?
That
is.
A
Is
this
thing
that
we're
talking
about
in
this
case
something
that
more
stuff
builds
on
top
of
inco
incorporates
into
another
service
and
then
builds
on
top
of
that?
That's
really
the
big
story
about
the
internet
and
it's
an
important
part
of
what
we
have
to
put
across
in
this,
and
I
don't
know
that
we're
all
the
way
there.
A
Yet,
but
I
think
that
that's
that's
a
critical
piece
of
this,
because,
finally,
that
is
why
we
need
to
engage
with
policy
makers
at
that
layer
because
you're
quite
right,
a
lot
of
the
time
what
people
think
they're
doing
is,
you
know
just
touching
around
the
edges
of
a
particular
service
and
what
they're
actually
doing
is
attacking
very
low
level
stuff,
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
make
that
clear
to
them.
A
Why
you
know
why
they're
having
this
kind
of
consequence,
it's
a
little
bit
like
you
know
the
sort
of
side
effects
that
frequently
happen
from
other
kinds
of
legislation
that
you
know
where
people
you
know,
don't
really
understand
what
the
consequences
are
and
and
it's
our
job
to
make
sure
that
policy
makers
understand
those
things
in
some
cases,
they're
gonna
do
it
anyway,
but
at
least
then
we're
in
the
position
to
to
say
we
think
that's
a
bad
idea,
and
here
are
the
reasons
why
we
think
it's
a
bad
idea,
or
we
think
that
we
understand
your
policy
goal
and
here's
another
way
to
do
it
without
wrecking
stuff.
A
And
if
we
can
provide
those
kinds
of
those
that
kind
of
information
to
policy
makers,
then
I
think
we'll
be
doing
our
job.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
but
I
hope
so.
F
It
did,
I
think
that
there
there's
definitely
some
stuff
that
that's
coming
down
the
pike
that
it's
very
difficult
to
know
whether
it
fits
inside
or
outside.
They
were
made
of
ice
hock
as
it
stands
right
now.
F
I
I'm
thinking,
for
example,
of
the
gaia
x
project
coming
out
of
europe,
which
is
to
build
kind
of
new
cloud
infrastructure
standards
and
and
practices
that
are
certainly
much
more
based
in
sovereignty,
data
sovereignty
and
similar
issues
than
others,
but
are
also
kind
of
competitive,
behavior
relative
to
existing
standard
relative
to
existing
cloud
providers
and
are
also
somewhat
efforts
to
make
sure
that
metadata,
which
has
historically
been
treated.
F
As
you
know,
proprietary
becomes
open,
and
so
there's
a
bunch
of
pieces
to
that,
some
of
which
go
along
with
the
ability
to
build
new
systems
on
top
of
it,
which
you
mentioned
before
and
some
of
which
actually
are
efforts
to
create
something
which
is
competitive
to
things
which
already
allow
you
to
build
things
on
top
of
it,
and
so,
given
the
current
context,
we're
we're
in
where
there's
this
generalized
suspicion
of
of
of
internet
substrates
at
a
variety
of
levels.
F
I
I
I
hope
it's
something
where
the
analysis
by
the
by
the
internet
society
of
what's
inside
or
outside
their
policy
roommate
is
at
least
somewhat
generous
right
now,
because
I
think
the
the
knock-on
effects
are
so
broad
and
sometimes
so
deep
when
the
policymakers
are
making
them
without
really
clear
ideas
that
it.
It
may
be.
The
fact
that
you
know
we
stand
up
much
more
often
than
perhaps
we
absolutely
need
to.
F
It
makes
sure
that
we
don't
miss
those
critical
occasions
when
we
did
need
to
and
misunderstood
where
the
the
knock-on
effects
were
going
to
be,
and
even
though
it's
it's
going
to
make
those
hairy
people
a
little
bit
more
harried
and
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive
to
do
that.
I
still
think
that,
given
the
place
of
the
internet
society
in
this
conversation,
it
may
be
something
to
to
think
about.
E
So
I'm
just
adding
to
number
one.
I
don't
think
it's
a
much
longer
conversation
than
right
now,
but
I
agree
with
I
agree
with
ted,
but
I
almost
you
can
look
at
it
from
the
flip
side
as
well,
where
what
you
see
government's
policymakers
concerned
about
are
at
the
upper
layers
and
their
remedy,
you
know
so,
for
example,
the
you
know
china,
chinese
new
ip,
that
we've
talked
about.
E
They
see
the
remedy
actually
at
the
in
our
networking
right
at
the
lower
layers
and
they
and-
and
we
would
say-
oh,
you
know,
there's
a
mismatch
and
con.
You
know
you
have
to
worry
about
the
consequence.
I
actually
think
some
of
them
deeply
understand
the
knock-on
effects
right
with
per
and
and
they're
doing
this
purposely
in
other
cases.
E
You
know
it's
not
I
I
so
I
as
a
general
matter,
though
I
mean
responding
to
what
ted's
saying
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
generous
in
terms
of
the
internet
way
of
networking,
as
we
think
about
it
in
terms
of
looking
at
you
know
the
attacks
on
the
fundamental
internet
principles
and
the
the
the
goals
and
mission
of
of
the
internet
society
and
what
is
under
attack
more
broadly.
So
maybe
we
want
to
have
a
separate
session
at
some
point
to
address
that
and
think
it
through.
E
But
I
think
this
is
extremely
important.
Point
ted
makes
is
extremely
important
and
just
to
note
the
staff
that
I've
engaged
with
on
this
and
some
of
the
other
things
andrew
that
you've
presented,
have
really
stepped
up
and
they're
doing
it.
They're
actually
very
aware
and
doing
a
great
job.
B
Thank
you
pepper.
I
think
mike
had
a
question.
F
Yeah,
I
let
me
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
and
actually,
I
think,
a
pepper.
I
had
a
notion
of
supplementing
some
of
the
things
that
ted
said,
but
I
think
pepper
touched
on
us
I'll
just
be
brief
and
just
say
that
I
I
do
think
policy
makers
are
aiming
at
stuff
either
at
upper
levels
of
the
stack
or
really
outside
the
stack.
F
F
You
know,
or
has
impact
deeper
into
the
stack
in
order
to
implement
that,
so
that
we
are
put
in
the
position
of
having
to
argue
what
might
otherwise
be
seen
as
a
pure
policy
or
legal
position,
because
we
know
that
the
consequences
are
that
if
they
implement
what
they
want
to,
do
it's
going
to
actually
have
technical
effects
deeper
in
the
stack.
So
so
what
this
really
adds
up
to
is
an
endorsement.
F
I
think
of
ted's
comment
about
interpreting
the
remit
here:
generously
and
and
also
pepper's
comments.
B
Thank
you
mike
andrew,
please.
A
Okay
next
slide,
please,
actually,
I
think
it's
two
more
yeah.
Next
there
we
are
the
original
open
standards
everywhere.
This
is
an
interesting
project.
A
The
the
genesis
of
this
was
that
the
internet
society
needed
to
refresh
its
web
servers
and-
and
we
looked
at
it-
and
we
said
this
actually
turns
out
not
to
be
that
easy
anymore
for
people
who
are
also
trying
to
do
who
are
also
concerned
about,
you
know,
conformance
to
to
open
standards
and
so
on,
and
so
we
we
took
our
our
opportunity,
our
the
thing
we
needed
to
do
as
an
opportunity
to
document
what
we
were
doing
and
and
build
it
and
so
on,
and
so
there's
this
major
deliverable
around
documentation.
A
That
was
in
a
finished
state,
but
it
turned
out
also
the
even
cheaper
than
we
expected
and
we
expected
it
to
be
cheap.
So
it's
really
worked
out
very
well,
and
we've
had
quite
a
lot
of
of
good
success
with
this.
A
It
turns
out
also
that
there
are
tool
kits
in
the
world
that
are
good
at
testing,
these
kinds
of
things
for
web
servers
and
so
on.
So
we
expanded
on
the
scope
of
this
to
include
some
hosted
system
cases
in
order
to
explain
that
to
people
we
did
a
lot
of
training
with
with
chapters
and
and
the
technical
compliance
as
a
result
of
this
training
was
really
tremendous,
so
the
kolkata
chapter,
for
instance,
went
from
a
32
conformance
to
100
on
their
on
their
web
presence.
A
Just
you
know
in
in
the
immediate
aftermath
of
the
of
the
training,
so
we're
really
having
success
at
getting
people
to
think
about
this
stuff,
which
makes
their
systems
more
portable
right.
That's
the
the
goal
here
is
not.
Oh
standards
are
good.
The
goal
there
is
to
say:
does
it
work
better
and
the
reason
the
internet
way
of
work?
Networking,
for
instance,
depends
on
standards
is
because
that
way,
you've
got
the
ability
you
know
to
to
be
flexible
in
the
way
that
the
internet
be.
A
So
that's,
that's
that's
the
way
that
this
project
is
is
going
ahead.
It's
it's
a
very
good
shape.
Next,
please.
A
Now
the
last
of
these
projects
is
running
a
little
behind
in
part
because
it
was
scheduled
mostly
later
in
the
year
on
it.
The
early
scheduling
was
mostly
taken
up
with
ndss
and
time
security
was
coming
later
in
the
year,
but
there
is
an
external
advisory
group,
that's
already
been
established
and
there's
been
a
kickoff
meeting
and
so
on.
This
is
a
relatively
small
project,
but
it's
critical
right.
The
the
idea
here
is
like
many
of
the
other
low-level
things
that
nobody's
interested
in
you
know.
A
Dns
falls
into
this
all
of
these
low-level
pieces.
A
It
turns
out
that
things
are
really
dependent
on
good
time,
and
if
you
don't
secure
it,
then
it
becomes
a
new
vector
for
attack,
and
I
I
don't
think
it's
news
to
anybody
who's
in
this
meeting
that
attacks
on
the
internet
are
getting
more
pervasive
all
the
time.
So
this
is
an
area
where
we're
focusing.
I
think
this
is
a
good
example
of
a
thing
that
we
don't
believe
there
would
emerge
a
natural
market
solution
for
this,
and
so
it
seems
like
something
that
you
know
it's.
A
A
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
going
on
around
community.
This
has
been
a
theme
that
we've
been
talking
about.
There
has
already
been
some
improved
attention
to
individual
members
this
year.
Of
course,
we've
got
some
more
stuff
coming
up
on
to
do
on
there.
We've
got
good
engagement
and
growth
in
the
organizational
members,
and
in
particular
I
want
to
highlight
that
this
christelle
already
mentioned
it,
but
this
is
the
first
contested
omak
chair
election
in
some
time,
and
so
that's
a
that's
a
a
good
sign.
A
From
my
point
of
view,
we
do
have
some
real
good
engagement
and
activity
in
the
chapters
community
we've
had
80
chapters
applied
for
and
qualified
for
the
admin
fund
support
we've
had
different
training
programs
with
various
projects.
You
know,
400
trainees
we've
had
really
positive
feedback.
A
We've
also
started
working
on
the
sig
strategy.
Working
group
sigs.
You
may
recall
have
created
sometimes
some
some
difficulties
because
we
treat
them
like
their
chapters,
but
they
don't
have
the
how's
that
to
be
to
work
very
well
and
so
there's
some
question
about
how
we're
gonna,
how
we're
gonna
solve
that
and
that
working
group
has
started
to
try
to
help
with
that.
There's
also
I
want
to.
A
I
want
to
call
out,
there's
been
some
significant
effort
already
and
it's
ongoing
from
our
collaborative
systems
group
to
get
improved
requirements
for
the
association
management
system,
so
so
member
nova,
we
only
rolled
it
out.
You
know
a
couple
years
ago
it
has
been
very
very
bumpy.
We've
had
a
lot
of
complaints
about
it
and
we
understand
that
so
we're
attempting
to
address
that
on
two
fronts.
A
Some
were
trying
to
do
some
improvements
in
the
near
term,
but
also
we're
trying
to
understand
what
we
missed
in
the
original
requirements,
because
that
might
tell
us
that
actually,
some
of
these
requirements
are
never
going
to
be
met
by
this
system.
I
don't
know
yet
and
so
we're
gonna
have.
A
External
engagement
is
the
part
of
the
organization
where
we
talk
to
organizations
that
are
not
part
of
our
direct
community,
so
governments
and
international
organizations,
and
so
on
partners-
and
this
is
an
area
where
we're
having
quite
a
bit
of
of
progress.
There
have
been
three
additional
new
partnerships
that
have
have
been
signed.
Some
of
them
are
significant
you've
seen
the
you've
seen
the
notices
about
it.
We've
had
good
luck
with
the
ietf
policy.
A
A
Next,
please,
we've
also
got
a
totally
refreshed
department
to
address
training
needs
you'll,
remember
those
of
you
who
are
on
the
on
the
board
of
the
time
we
had
a
look
at
our
training
last
year
and
came
to
the
conclusion
that
there
were
a
number
of
gaps
in
the
way
that
we
were
approaching
this.
So
there's
a
completely
new
strategy.
We've
hired
somebody
looking
after
this
and
we've
already
started
to
see
the
rewards
coming
from
this
on
the
internet
governance
course
was
redesigned.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
help
that
came
from
ronda
on
delivering
the
chapter,
training
efforts
that
were
already
mentioned
before,
so
we
we're
really
starting
to
see
some
benefit
here,
but
I
I
think
it's
probably
not
as
visible
to
you
yet
as
it
will
be
as
the
year
goes
on
next,
please
so
that
covers
all
of
the
stuff
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
in
the
action
plan.
A
I
don't
know
if
there
are
further
questions
apart
from
the
ones
that
we've
already
discussed,
but
if
not
I'll
stop
talking
and
you
can
work
only
ten
minutes
over
dude,
though
so
I
tried
to,
I
tried
to
get
it
all
in.
B
Yeah,
that
was
great.
Thank
you
andrew
any
further
questions
for
andrew.
B
So
usually
we
have
the
the
ceo
report
in
in
one
go
in
one
block,
but
this
time
we
had
to
split
it.
So
andrew
will
will
continue
talking
tomorrow.
So
you
know,
if
you
want
to
think
a
bit,
you
know
sleep
on
it
and
then
ask
questions
tomorrow.
You
can
also
do
that.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
more
questions.
Okay,
thanks
a
lot
andrew.
So
at
this
point
for
for
people
and
following
us
or
watching
on
youtube
in
the
future,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
stop.
Now
the
the
open
to
observer
session,
we're
gonna
have
an
executive
session
with
james.
I
see
he
just
joined.
He
will
give
us
a
communication
update
and
then
tomorrow
we
will
start
again
or
resume
in
executive
session
at
2
utc
and
we
will
start
in
open
to
observer
session
at
3
utc.
C
I
have
a
question
for
you:
we
have
a
couple
of
senior
staff
with
us.
Are
they
permitted
to
stay
for
this.