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From YouTube: Day 2: Internet A Community of Peers
Description
The Internet relies on trust and collaboration between the people who build and maintain it. During this session, representatives from different continents will share how they’ve fostered the growth of Internet exchange points (IXPs) and technical communities, such as network operator groups (NOGs), in their respective regions. It will be an opportunity to celebrate successes, and to discuss challenges faced by local communities and the practical ways they overcame them.
Speakers: Gazi Zehadul Kabir, Achie Atienza, Anupam Agrawal, Waqas Hassan
A
A
A
So
with
me
in
the
panel
today,
are
some
fantastic
people
who
have
done
fantastic
work
on
for
community,
as
you
know
that
this
session
is
about
infrastructure
and
community
development
community
networks.
So
these
are
one
of
the
few
champions
that
we
have
in
the
asia
pacific
who
have
worked
incredibly
hard
to.
A
A
So
now
that
I'm
done
with
the
boring
stuff,
let's
get
straight
to
the
panel
discussion
that
we
have
and
I'll
start
with
the
introduction
of
my
panel
today.
First
up,
we
have
anupam
agarwal,
who
is
the
chair
of
india,
internet
foundation,
a
not-for-profit
organization
working
on
programs
relating
to
trust
on
internet
building
communities
on
internet
technologies.
He
has
been
the
founding
chair
of
iso
kolkata
and
twice
team
iso
ambassador
to
igf.
A
He's
also
the
founding
member
and
university
of
bd
north,
the
bangladesh
nog
and
a
very
experienced
and
distinguished
tutor
for
for
internet
society's
online
course
on
network
operations
with
24
plus
xp
years
of
experience.
So
that's
the
two
panelists
that
we
have
and
last
but
not
the
least,
is
achi
atienza
from
philippines.
A
A
So
this
is
the
introduction,
but
just
to
let
you
know
we
have
these
three
speakers
from
three
different
backgrounds
and
and
three
different
countries
here.
But
one
thing
is
particularly
common
between
the
three
of
them
and
the
common
thing
is
that
all
three
of
them
have
an
extensive
experience
on
how
to
do
voluntary
work
for
internet
development
in
their
countries.
So
that's.
A
C
C
C
So,
while
the
roots
instance
was
still
being
planned,
isp
was
the
thought
which
came
into
the
minds
of
the
people,
and
I
saw
kolkata
board,
and
so
few
of
us
were
given
the
responsibility
to
take
it
forward
from
the
board
and
we
found
out.
There
is
one
ixp
in
the
country,
okay,
and
there
is
definitely
no
community
and
no
concept
of
community
exchange.
So
and
in
fact
we
were
also
not
knowing.
At
that
point
of
time
we
were
just
exploring
the
concept
of
ix.
C
C
So
routes
were
something
which
were
new
for
us
so,
but
we
found
out
that
people
do
appear
for
the
sake
of
peering,
but
they
don't
actually
take
the
benefit
out
of
it
and
that's
what
led
to
the
next
course
of
development,
which
is
now
make
something
or
do
something
for
the
community
where
they
really
start
taking
benefits.
So
all
this
time
we
now
landed
up
in
2016.,
so
we
had
created
an
ix
with
a
very
small
switch.
We
had
one
root.
C
Server
instance
appeared
there
with
no
other
members
there,
and
the
question
was:
who
will
come?
First,
the
members
or
the
obsidians
or
anybody
else.
So
fortunately
I
must
compliment
akamai
at
this
point
in
time
where
they
supported
us
by
allowing
us
to
host
their
content
in
the
ix
which
was
just
taking
shape
in
the
process.
We
had
to
create
a
working
group
to
manage
this
entire
thing,
but
remember
two:
two
and
a
half
years
still
no
members,
and
that
is
the
most
disastrous
period
of
the
entire
journey.
C
So
I
must
convey
my
thanks
to
kabir
and
group
who
organized
sanog
in
calcutta,
and
it
was
the
first
time
that
ix
was
taking
shape
and
we
had
to
rename
it
so
we
renamed
it
as
kolkata
ix,
so
the
earlier
name
was
iif1
or
ix.
Okay,
because
that
was
the
organizational
home
in
the
internet
foundation,
but
then
we
renamed
it
for
the
purpose
of
community
to
kolkata
ix
and
then
things
started
moving
forward.
Now
we
were
facing
a
situation
where
the
old
switch
was
not
good
enough.
C
C
Okay,
so
you
know
the
craze
of
ipl
and
because
we
have
hosted
akamai,
which
is
hosting
hotstar,
so
the
traffic
process
that
amount
and
now
the
working
group
decided
to
take
it
forward
and
we
were,
we
are
now
hosted
in
one
of
the
tata
data
centers
in
calcutta,
so
kolkata
ix
currently
is
now
hosted
at
two
places
in
the
same
city
for
ease
of
people
to
come
and
peer.
So
with
more
than
12
13
peers.
C
C
Okay
and
that's
the
impact
of
this
neutral
and
community
driven
ix
and
the
savings
occur
in
the
ix
because
we
run
on
cost
recovery
mode,
so
whatever
additional
we
save
by
deducting
the
expenses
and
all
that
amount
is
used
for
going
into
the
rural
acts
so
that
that's
the
next
step
which
we
are
taking
here
so
I'll,
stop
here,
vakas
and
then
we'll
look
forward
to
some
questions
and
your
interventions.
Thank
you.
A
I
think
I
think
the
last
bit,
of
course,
the
whole
journey
is
pretty
fantastic,
but
the
last
bit
that
you
told
us
about
it,
putting
your
funds
from
me
and
ice
paint
or
rule.
I
I
expect
that
that
is
something
I
think
one
of
the
takeaways
that
others
can
take
out
of
this
conversation
as
well.
So
I
think
I'll
now
jump
towards
archie.
A
D
D
D
So
when
we
were
successful
in
the
first
step,
we
didn't
really
try
to
limit
it
to
the
tech
community,
so
we
wanted
to
be
as
open
as
possible
as
like.
The
whole
ecosystem
is
not
just
purely
effective
business
and
there
are
others
that
actually
it's
part
of
the
whole
thing
that
makes
the
internet
work
each
has
its
roles,
big
or
small,
different
players,
different
perspectives,
and
that
was
key
for
everything
to
work.
D
D
Why
don't
I
see
that
in
the
philippines,
so
we
try
to
more
or
less
copy
or
replicate
that
yeah
the
fact
that
other
people
external
are
trying
to
help
us?
It
will
be
a
no-brainer
for
us
within
the
philippines
to
help
each
other,
so
that
actually
was
one
of
the
main
drivers.
We
actually
have
lots
of
volunteers.
Now
we
even
have
student
volunteers.
You
maybe
think
of
it
as
a
continuity
for
the
next
generation.
D
We
also
tried
to
address
diversity,
so
initially
it
was
like
a
male
driven
community.
Now
we
have,
we
have
females,
we
have
separate
sessions
and
we
actually
have
one
feeding
forum
coming
up
this
december
for
women
in
tech
and
collectively
that
actually
shape
the
movement
of
per
ph.
Nog
is
today-
and
I
could
say,
we've
come
a
long
way
from
from
day,
one
or
day
zero
or
whatever.
That
is
so,
but
it's
always
a
working
problem.
Basically,
thanks.
A
So
so
that's,
that's
a
that's.
I
think
good
takeaway
for
us
so
kabir
and
welcome
back
I'll,
come
to
you.
You've
been
an
instructor
for
the
isop
course
on
network
operations
for
a
long
time
now,
and
I
think
there
are
hundreds
of
students
that
have
been
that
you've
seen
going
through
that
course,
and
you
know
learning
from
it
so
from
you.
Based
on
your
experience,
what
would
you
say
I
mean
how
strong
is
the?
C
B
The
dynamics
asking
questions,
getting
answers
and
this
thing
continued
or
continued
on
during
the
name
the
last
15
years.
It
was
a
tremendous
success,
bringing
people
together,
giving
them
the
industry
experience
and
getting
new
services
new
things
rolling
out
in
our
region.
Now
the
pandemic
came
and
isa.
Internet
society
came
up
with
such
an
intuitive
and
dynamic
platform
where
the
learners
mainly
they're
the
newcomers
in
their
industry.
B
They
are
either
from
the
network
background
or
from
a
system
background.
Whatever
it
is
from
the
scratch,
they
started
feeling
that
the
platform
organized
by
internet
society
in
their
learning
area
is
pretty
similar.
What
they
experienced
or
some
of
them
experienced
during
the
early
ages.
Face-To-Face
meetings
and
the
hands-on
trainings
are
to
organize
in
such
a
way
that
they
can
learn
from
the
scratch
and
develop
their
own
service
and
render
into
the
practical
world.
B
So
practical
oriented
training
gave
them
a
boost
in
their
career,
pumped
them
to
some
exchange
to
make
them
learn
more
and
a
recent
experience
in
one
of
the
governments
in
asian
countries,
where
we
got
100
out
of
100
success
rate
in
the
training,
and
they
are
now
publishing
their
comments
in
different
forums.
Saying
we
learned
this
and
now
we
are
learning
this
on
our
own
and
implementing
things
in
in
our
country
to
make
more
internet
or
technology
available
to
the
people.
So,
overall,
the
journey
is
really
successful.
B
A
Thank
you.
I
think,
of
course,
we
we
all
are
aware
of
of
the
way
and
and
the
kind
of
a
pioneering
pioneering
role
that
that
bangladesh
I
saw
bangladesh
played
in
in
sort
of
starting
a
trend
of
of
ixps
in
the
in
the
whole
south
asian
region,
and
I
think
your
experience
you
carry
that
experience
in
in
in
the
way
you
you
conduct
your
training
courses
as
well,
so,
and
I'm
quite
sure
there
will
be
many
of
your
students
that
are
now
volunteering
for
the
ixps
in
the
region.
A
So
with
that,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
I'd
like
to
ask
anukum
now
is
that
you
see
it's
a
it's.
It's
a
nice
hot
space
that
you
are
sitting
in
right
now
and
then
there
are
many
many
of
the
origins
from
from
icehawk
itself,
and
you
have
been
the
chair
of
iso
kolkata
as
well
founding
chair
of
iso
called
qatar.
So
what
do
you
think?
A
What
what
is
the
importance
of
the
ice
of
chapters
and
how
important
is
it
for
isak
chat
project
themselves
to
work
on
these
ixps
and
you
know,
bring
all
of
the
stakeholders
and
make
sure
that
there
are
that
there
is
some
kind
of
peering
happening
between
the
operators,
so
that
you
know
the
internet
could
be
cheap.
It
could
be,
it
could
be
faster
as
well.
C
We
have
got
lot
of
technical
power
or
resources
in
the
chapter,
and
that
is
what
is
driving
the
iso
kolkata
chapter
to
take
projects
which
are
more
of
a
technical
orientation
which
they
have
where
they
can
showcase
some
of
their
technical
skills.
So
you
will
appreciate
the
fact
that
configuring
a
root
instance
or
configuring
configuring
in
ix
requires
some
kind
of
voluntary
work
on
the
technical
side.
It
is
not
just
going
and
networking
while
that
is
an
important
part
for
an
ix,
not
necessary.
C
Every
chapter
will
have
that
kind
of
powerhouse
to
drive
it
things
like
that,
because
we
operate
an
ix
24x7
with
zero
manpower,
okay,
so
people
in
the
night,
if
there
is
an
outage,
they
come
from
home,
okay,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
commitment
you
require.
So
not
necessarily
every
chapter
will
have
that
and
they
have
to
work
on
it.
C
But
if
the
demand
is
there
in
the
region-
okay
and
the
particularly
the
region
where
we
operate
the
southeast
asia,
I
think
the
people
from
bangladesh,
philippines,
india-
all
of
us-
are
in
the
call
and
from
your
region
as
well.
So
I
think
the
resilience
of
internet
very
strongly
depends
upon
the
number
of
ixps
in
the
region.
C
Okay,
so
from
that
standpoint,
if
the
chapter
wants
to
contribute
to
the
resilience
dimension
of
internet,
then
ix
is
definitely
one
of
the
areas
where
they
should
work
upon,
and
fortunately,
isoc
has
got
a
very
focused
approach
on
ix
at
this
point
in
time
and
manres.
If
you
take
example,
that
is
again
a
second
layer
of
intervention
from
isoc
where
they
have
ensured
that
routing
security
is
taken
care
of
by
all
the
operators.
C
A
A
So
and
our
chapter
was
of
course
part
of
that
process
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
a
two-way
process
too,
not
only
you
contribute
to
the
to
the
ixp.
You
actually
learn
from
it
as
well.
You
get
expo
here
to
the
to
the
operators
and
others
too,
so
so
yeah,
that's
it
that's.
I
think
it
is
a
fair
point.
So
if
I
don't,
I
don't
see
any
questions
in
chat
window.
A
So
if,
if
anyone
wants
to
ask
a
question,
you
can
just
type
it
in
and
we
can
throw
it
to
any
of
the
panelists,
and
while
you
do
that
I'll
go
back
to
archie
and
actually
would
you
would
you
like
to
tell
us?
I
mean
what
is
the?
What
is
what
kind
of
a
role
do
the
technical
communities,
or
something
like
being
a
ph
nog,
has
in
the
in
the
infrastructure
development
itself,
because
essentially
it's
a
it's
a
discussion
forum.
It's
a
group
of
people
that
are
talking
to
each
other
about
raging
issues.
A
D
Thanks
for
the
question
for
this
case,
it's
actually
good
that
I
am
both
representing
phnom
and
internet
society.
So
that's
for
two
birds
in
one
stone
kind
of
thing,
but
basically,
if
you
see
it
from
a
certain
angle,
it's
basically
the
idea
is
enabling
the
community
providing
them
with
knowledge
and
resources
to
perform
their
roles.
D
Or
upgrades
happen
from
a
tech
perspective,
the
knob
or
parties
that
are
part
of
the
knob
functions
as
a
sme
or
a
subject
matter
expert,
at
least
for
reference
on
best
practice,
alignment
with
global
peers.
What
needs
to
be
done,
communications
contact
person
from
different
parties
in
in
the
community-
and
this
is
actually
helpful,
because
it's
not
just
you,
it's
not
just
them,
it's
basically
everybody
and
there's
some
sort
of
collaboration
that
needs
to
happen
and
there's
some.
D
That's
why
the
conference
became
a
neutral
area
for
for
sharing
and
collaboration,
and
since
we
saw
success
in
in
in
the
conference,
we
tried
to
more
or
less
replicate
that
not
necessarily
limited
in
in
consensus,
because
we
actually
do
con
two
consensus
a
year.
So
we
try
to
spread
it
out.
We
started
to
do
like
pocket
sessions,
smaller
sessions,
smaller
workshops,
specific
workshop
or
or
or
setups.
That
is.
D
By
the
members
of
the
community,
whether
technical
or
non-technical-
and
we
find
volunteers
to
to
help
us
with
that,
one
and
and
one
of
the
good
improvements
actually
we
saw
is
after
some
international
sessions
we
tried
to
do
the
train
the
trainer
kind
of
model.
So
after
the
those
attendees
in
the
international
conferences,
we
started
replicating
that
and
they're
the
ones
now
doing
the
training
locally.
And
then
it's
like
okay
you're.
Next
next.
A
D
A
D
B
D
Synergy
so
the
fact
that
we
have
that
there's
good
time
or
there's
a
good
agenda
to
talk
about
it
and
discuss
and
probably
sort
it
out,
so
we
actually
had
a
lot
of
those
collaborations
that
brought
us
to
several
sessions,
individual
company
specific
or
the
pocket
sessions
I
mentioned,
and
there's
always
ongoing,
collab
and
and
to
some
point
we
had
a
surplus
of
volunteers
or
a
surplus
of
presentations
or
materials
that
it
made
it
hard
to
turn
down
those
those
parts.
So
at
first
you
were
trying
to
figure
out.
D
D
Maybe
it
will
just
align
or
more
or
less
have
a
structure
as
we
go
along
and
that's
absolutely
good,
because
we
try
to
always
improve,
but
the
the
key
thing
more
or
less
I
see
is
there
should
be
a
champion
or
champion
driving.
This
some
sort
of
jedi
or
something
related
to
that
who
will
more
or
less
see
this
through,
but
I
think
more
importantly,
we
have
to
convince
yourselves
like
have
to
convince
you
for
me.
D
B
A
Yeah,
I
think
one
of
them
that
you
mentioned
was
that
you
know
somehow
I've
also
experienced
the
same
thing
that
collaboration
actually
brings
more
inclusivity
into
your
into
whatever
you're
doing
and
in
fact
talking
about
inclusivity.
I'd
actually
like
to
ask
kavir
as
well
that
with
so
much
experience
that
you
have
in
the
tech
community
and,
of
course,
being
a
tutor
and
being
chair
of
synod,
and
so
many
profiles
that
hats
that
you
wear,
I
think
you'd
be
best
suited
to
tell
us.
I
mean
why.
A
Why
do
we
see
that
there
is
less
representation
of
women
in
in
technology?
I
mean
we
do.
I
mean
this
comes
out
of
the
inclusive
dialogue
that
we're
having
here.
We
don't
have
any
female
in
the
panel,
though,
but
at
least
we
can
talk
about
it,
but
you
know
why
do
you
think
is
said
so
and
what
can
we
do
as
as
I
saw
or
general
community
member,
do
you
know
improve
that
situation
so.
B
B
That's
a
beautiful
instance,
which
is
now
followed,
mostly
by
all,
knocks
in
our
region.
Every
night,
also
following
that
recently
apricot
is
long
been
following.
So
most
of
the
organizations
are
having
some
of
the
curriculum
where
women
participants
are
hugely
seriously
encouraged
and
rest
of
the
world.
I
think
they
are
following
now
the
same
part.
B
They
are
not
talking.
So
I
remember
one.
Let
me
share
one
incident:
what
happened?
The
the
encouragement
is
going
on,
and
I
remember
last
year,
during
a
network
operations
course
we
organized
under
sano
gabriela
via
iso
learning
platform.
One
of
the
top
performers
was
younger
from
sri
lanka.
She
was
courteous.
She
was
a
really
a
good
learner.
She
even
got
a
very
respectable
new
job
during
the
course
due
to
our
excellent
participation
and
performance.
B
I
mean
and
learn
not
to
bound
their
women,
particip
colleagues
or
participants
to
be
in
the
ict
space.
Just
one
more
note
that
whatever
we
talk
to
some
extent,
social
justice
already
mentioned
all
these
things,
but
what
we
do
not
mention
these
days,
that
pandemic
has
changed
a
lot
of
things,
not
only
the
economic
dynamics,
but
also
the
dynamics
of
the
women
who
were
normally
sitting
idle
most
of
the
times
in
their
household.
B
Now,
what
happened?
We
can
see
lots
of
women
coming
as
entertainer
or
or
with
some
small
e-commerce
and
selling,
perhaps
one
product
what
happened?
We
are
seeing
this
from
the
remote
areas
as
well
from
our
not
only
from
urban
but
from
the
rural
as
well,
so
the
perception
of
our
people
are
changing
a
bit
nowadays.
B
A
I
think
that's
a
fantastic
point
of
mission
at
the
end
about
code
and
how
it
has
changed
the
way
things
are
being
done,
and
I'm
glad
that
you
mentioned
that
you
know
there
should
be
more
women
specific
event,
because
archie
also
mentioned
and
women
a
particular
women
in
tech
event,
that,
as
of
philippines,
is
probably
planning
to
have
a
weird.
I
saw
a
huge
event
next
month.
It's
a
hybrid
event,
we're
going
to
do
in
a
very
nice
hotel.
Here
we
want
to
invite
the
women
in
tech
leaders.
C
A
A
So
I
I
just
like
to
ask
you
and
like
a
message
to
all
of
them
all
of
the
viewers,
all
of
the
audience
that
we
have
here
about
how
to
how
to
keep
this
motivation
going
on
to
do
things
for
the
community
without
you
know,
seeking
any
reward
for
it
or
anything
like
that.
I
mean
what
is
that?
What
is
the
core
idea
behind
this
volunteerism
that
we
have
and
and
and
how
should
we
go
about
it
so
anubham
I'll
start
with.
C
You,
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
I
think,
let
me
let
me
gather
my
thoughts,
so
the
experience
of
ix
has
been
that
it
has
produced
a
huge
social
effect
in,
and
that
is
a
very
perceptible
social
effect
which
we
can
see
so
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
very
quick
example
that
two
isps
in
a
region
are
definitely
competitors,
but
when
you
see
them
together,
having
a
breakfast
and
trying
to
share
routes
or
have
a
discussion
on
bunras,
you
have
changed
the
competition
in
a
very,
very
fair
way.
C
Okay,
and
that's
the
impact
which
I
see
on
the
ground,
and
that
is
what
which
helps
me
moving
in
this
direction.
So
to
me,
while
establishing
an
ix
and
increasing
the
internet,
resiliency
was
a
very
technical
thought:
okay,
which
should
be
done,
but
when
you
see
the
social
impact
happening
in
front
of
your
eyes
and
that's
when
things
changes
now,
I
have
got
cases
where
one
isp
when
they
want
to
expand
and
they
want
to
purchase
another
isp.
They
come
to
us
that.
C
This,
I
would
have
definitely
not
been
able
to
create
if
I
would
have
just
stuck
to
my
job
nine
to
five,
so
that
is
one
thing
which
helps
you
to
move
ahead
that,
whatever
time,
additionally,
you
have,
if
you
are
able
to
create
a
social
impact,
I
think
that
is
what
drives
at
least
me,
and
I
think
that
is
the
core
essence
of
volunteering
as
well
I'll
stop
here.
Thank
you
for
this
question.
D
Man,
I'd
like
to
continue
the
statements
earlier,
so
it's
really
fun
when
you're
talking
with
your
competition.
From
my
end,
my
my
objective
was
for
us
to
have
a
group
chat
or
friends
in
social
media.
The
fact
that
they
greet
you
on
your
birthday
is
already
a
big
thing
and
and
you're
having
lunch
or
having
everybody
seeing
you
together.
It's
a
big
step,
yeah
on
the
volunteer
stuff.
D
It's
really
when
you
come
to
this
one,
there's
no
finish
line
in
what
we're
doing,
there's
always
something
improved,
and
it
will
never
be
enough.
I
think
that's
that's
part
of
what
we
need
to
accept
and
and
and
for
the
internet.
I
think
it
should
be
an
internet
of
conscience
like
everybody's
part
of
the
internet,
so
our
action
or
inaction
affects
everybody,
so
we
we
need
to
to
do
our
part
consciously
to
make
it
better
or
at
least
try.
B
A
D
A
B
A
Thank
you
discussion.
I
mean
I
really
there's
so
many
takeaways
to
to
note
here
but,
like
I
see
we
only
have
30
seconds
so
I
just
closed
down
with
this
thought
that
something
about
mentioned
as
well,
that
you
know
when
you
talk
to
your
competitors,
you
probably
find
many
similar
similarities
and
that's
the
coming
down.
Probably
we
need
to
reach
not
only
for
for
internet
development,
but
also
generally
as
human
beings
as
well.