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Finance Committee Meeting 1/24/2018 9:00 AM
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E
Miss
Pearlie
you're
on
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
good
morning,
everyone
glad
you
made
it
in
all
right
with
all
the
ice
out
there.
You
know
it's
slipping
and
sliding
so
did
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
maintenance
department,
because
they
did
put
down
salt
and
everything
to
make
sure
that
we
were
able
to
make
it
safely
into
the
building.
So
we're
very
grateful
for
the
work.
Those
guys
do
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
few
things.
E
We've
got
approximately
$15,000
that
we
were
able
to
recognize
for
the
county,
so
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
to
try
to
make
sure
that
every
dollar
stretches
as
far
as
it
possibly
can,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
of
that
about
8,000
of
those
dollars
or
within
the
last
couple
of
months
when
we've
been
able
to
enhance
some
of
our
processes
and
procedures
with
our
new
CPA
who's
in
the
auditor's
office.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that.
E
Speaking
of
travel,
so
I
did
want
to
bring
it
to
this
committees.
Attention
that
we've
we've
got
a
a
few
claims,
better
issues
that
we've
seen.
As
you
know,
article
8
of
the
Illinois
State
Constitution
says
that
public
funds,
property
or
credit
shall
be
used
only
for
public
purposes,
and
so
anything
that
falls
outside
of
that
criteria
we
deem
to
be
a
private
purchase
and
therefore
dis
allowable
and,
of
course,
you
go
by
the
county
policy,
GSA
standards,
IRS
statements,
etc.
E
So
we
have
found
that
there
are
issues
such
as
hotels
where
folks
have
upgraded
rooms
and
we've
had
upgrade
fees.
We've
had
issues
such
as
rental
vehicles
that
weren't
justifiable
in
terms
of
the
upgrades
and
different
things
like
that,
and
so
just
know
that
our
recommendation
is
for
those
types
of
items
that
happen
that
that
money
is
reimbursed
to
the
county,
because
those
are
personal
expenses.
If
your
conference
starts
on
a
Monday
and
you
travel
on
Saturday,
Saturday
is
a
personal
day.
E
Sunday
is
your
travel
day,
so
some
of
those
things
that
that
we
really
need
to
hash
out
I
think
will
be
important
going
forward.
So
those
are
some
things
that
we've
seen
in
the
auditor's
office
and
most
people
have
reimburse
the
county
so
we're
very
glad
to
as
we
get
that
word
out.
We
let
them
know
that
this
is
a
dis
allowable
expense.
We
send
them
what
the
policy
is.
We
send
them.
Our
analyses.
Allow
them
a
chance
to
review
it
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
E
Really
people
will
say:
oh
I
didn't
know,
or
whatever
and
they'll
reimburse
the
county.
So
I
did
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that
credit
cards,
so
chase
continues
to
be
an
issue.
They
are
working
hard,
though,
to
deal
with
the
issue
of
compromise
cards.
It
is
a
problem
that
is
not
just
unique
to
Chase.
As
you
know,
in
the
digital
age
it
is
not
very
difficult
to
copy
a
credit
card
and
then
they've
got
readers
at
gas
stations.
E
I
saw
a
friend
of
mine
who
got
wiped
out
using
his
debit
card
at
a
gas
station
and
someone
put
in
one
of
those
card
readers
got
his
information,
wiped
them
out.
So
just
be
careful
of
that
in
your
own
life,
but
we
are
working
very
diligently
to
try
to
get
that
corrected
and
to
manage
that
we've
been
able
to
catch
all
fraudulent
activity
before
the
transaction
has
gone
through.
So
the
county
has
not
lost
any
cash
as
it
relates
to
this
fraudulent
activity.
E
But
it's
been
a
ton,
that's
happened,
and
so
we're
working
to
correct
that
I
did
file
a
police
report
with
the
Sheriff's
Department,
hoping
that
perhaps
knowing
that
law
enforcement
is
looking
into
it.
There
may
be
some
progress
in
that
regard
in
terms
of
lowering
that
risk,
because
his
auditors,
our
job,
is
what
to
lower
the
risk
and
so
in
every
area
that
we
touch
as
it
relates
to
County
funds,
public
funds
taxpayer
dollars.
We
want
to
lower
the
risk.
E
Finally,
I
want
to
say:
I
sent
a
request
over
to
the
state's
attorney's
office
about
a
process
that
I
think
will
be
beneficial
to
the
county
in
terms
of
transparency
and
accountability.
It's
called
reverse
auction.
If
anyone
has
heard
of
it,
if
you
have
not,
it
is
a
fairly
new
concept.
It
was
released
in
2013.
It
was
made
public
to
state
and
local
governments
in
2014
and
basically,
from
a
conceptual
level.
Reverse
auctioning
is
eBay
in
Reverse,
hence
the
term.
E
So,
instead
of
driving
the
bit
price
up,
the
idea
of
the
platform
is
to
drive
the
bit
price
down,
and
so
we
sent
a
request
over
to
see
what
are
the
legal
restrictions
for
counties
to
engage
in
that
kind
of
platform.
We
are
on
the
GSA
schedule,
it's
it
is
provided
by
GSA.
It
was
created
by
GSA
contractors.
E
The
United
States
Navy
uses
it
Department
of
Transportation,
for
example
the
CDC
among
others,
and
so
we
think
that
it
will
be
a
very,
very
valuable
tool
for
us
to
use
its
public
information,
and
so
it
will
allow
for
transparency
to
happen.
It's
live
auction
during
the
period
that
we
set
it.
We
can
restrict
it
geographically
unit
so
that
our
local
vendors,
you
know
we're
not
getting
a
vendor
to
replace
light
bulbs
from
California.
E
Obviously,
because
you
have
a
pool
of
contractors
and
vendors
to
select
from
it'll
enhance
market
research
as
we
go
to
procure
services,
and
it
will
create
more
accountability
and
transparency
as
it
relates
to
where
taxpayer
dollars
are
because
accountability,
as
you
well
know,
is
the
cornerstone
of
all
governmental
finance,
all
governmental
reporting,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
present.
So
just
a
few
things
we've
been
working
on,
along
with
other
projects,
with
helping
our
departments
get
together
with
cash
in
terms
of
reconciling
cash,
getting
their
processes
and
procedures
in
place.
E
Strengthening
internal
controls,
different
things
like
that,
working
with
the
circuit
clerk
right
now
and
our
treasurer
Nick
African.
Oh,
so
we're
very
excited
with
some
of
the
things
we're
doing
just
to
continue
to
enhance
our
processes
and
procedures.
The
auditors
website
I
want
to
put
a
plug
in
there.
We've
been
updating
it.
So
please,
please
visit
the
auditor's
website
kay
the
number
three
county
auditor
comm
we've
got
all
kinds
of
great
things
on
there
with
our
claims
or
monthly
check,
register
or
online
check
book.
E
Our
helpful
links
page
our
questions
and
answers
we're
building
that
out
all
kinds
of
fun
things
on
there
spun
is
auditing,
can
be
right
and
we're
really
excited
to
show
show
those
enhancements
with
the
claims,
as
you
can
see,
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
new
to
the
board,
I
keep
a
running
tally
for
the
year.
The
current
year
and
I
also
have
the
previous
year
available.
So
if
you
need
it
just
for
comparison,
you
can
do
that.
I
also
do
a
year-to-date
comparison
on
page
two.
E
Three
and
four
is
the
year-to-date
comparison.
One
is
a
detailed
with
the
highway
department
reported
separately.
The
other
is
everything
all
together.
So
it'll
show
you
the
percentage
change
of
expenses
related
to
cash,
so
it
will
a
band
flow
based
on
the
cash
in
the
bank
which,
at
this
time
as
we
checked,
we're
not
looking
too
good
in
the
101
to
two,
which
is
where
the
general
fund
sits
and
mr.
E
A
Riah
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
I've
I've,
been
included
on
questions
from
a
lot
of
department
heads
on
the
credit
cards
and
mr.
we
has
been
working
on
that.
He
knows.
I
was
getting
the
text.
Messages
and
phone
calls
that
in
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
when
they
were
getting
charges
in
Mexico
and
things
like
that
too.
So
it's
been
a
problem
for
months
and
so
I
I
wanted
to
let
the
committee
know
that
I
actually
looked
into
another
credit
card
company
and
because
of
our
bond
rating,
no
one
else
will
give
us
credit
cards.
A
So,
as
I
mentioned
to
other
department
heads
in
the
meeting
that
that
there
is,
you
know,
I
will
verify
that.
Yes,
we
we
are
until
our
bond
rating
gets
up,
we
are
with
who
we
are
with
I
would
venture
to
guess
if
we
weren't
with
them
that
they
wouldn't
take
our
business
either
at
this
point
as
well
yeah
because
of
our
negative
cash
position
at
the
county.
So
it
is
a
situation
we're
stuck
with.
We
need
to
make
the
best
of
it
and-
and
it's
not
easy
when
somebody
pays,
they
pay
their
their
floor.
A
Mats
out
of
that
credit
card
or
their
their
their
their
grant
payments,
you
know
that
they're
dispersing
their
grants
through
that
so
I
will
mention
one
one
thing
I
did
need
to
know
about.
The
credit
cards
is,
is
I
had
a
situation
where
I
believe
was
the
Sheriff's
Department,
where
somebody
want
to
pay
for
something,
and
they
were
told
that
the
credit
limit
was
reached
for
that
not
just
a
card,
but
for
the
account
in
itself.
Is
that?
Because
the
credit
limit
for
we
have
like
four
or
five
different
account
that
one
account
was
reached?
A
E
Yeah,
so
the
situation
in
that
case
was
the
person
attempting
to
use
car
and
it
happened
in
another
department
as
well.
The
the
credit
for
that
particular
account
has
been
reached,
so
you
can
never
have
credit
available
for
an
individual,
that's
not
available
for
the
collected,
the
pool.
So
in
the
other
accounts
there
probably
are
cards
that
can
be
used
to
make
the
transaction,
but
it's
that
particular
account.
That
is,
that
has
reaches
limit
and
the
limit
won't
be
refreshed.
So
to
say,
until
we
pay
them
and.
A
E
Well,
just
a
quick
clarification
that
we
interest
is
accrued
daily,
so
there's
a
small
amount
of
interest
right,
but
as
far
as
I
know
the
they
are
paid
every
30
days
we
submit
the
claim
to
finance
department,
they
cut
the
check
or
they
post
the
session.
Treasurer
cuts
to
check,
County
Clerk
signs
it,
and
then
it
gets
mailed
out
after
it
goes
through
that
process.
So,
as
far
as
I
know,
30
days
is
what
we
pay,
which
leads
me
to
say
as
well.
Mr.
E
chairman,
that
when
charges
are
put
on
the
credit
card,
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
avoid
it.
If
you
can,
because
that
cuts
our
cash
availability
in
half,
because
we
have
60
days
to
make
payments
according
to
the
property
act.
But
when
you
use
a
credit
card
because
of
the
interest
and
fees
and
so
forth,
it
cuts
that
that
amount
of
time
in
half
and
so
with
our
cash
position.
It
makes
it
very
difficult
to
deal
with
the
other
things
that
require
cash
today
you
know
so
I.
A
Would
echo
that
we,
especially
in
this
time
of
the
year
as
we
get
stretched
out
yes
off
the
cards
and
unless
it's
an
emergency,
you
know
I
know
it's
an
emergency
it.
Sometimes
you
gotta
do
what
you
got
to
do,
but
we
don't
want
to
see
a
shift
from
payables
into
credit
cards,
because
that
actually
shoots
us
right
in
the
foot
on
cash
flow
yep.
So
thank
you.
That's
all
I
had
on
there.
Anybody.
E
F
You
can
see.
We
had
mainly
terminations
going
on
during
this
time
period.
We
had
12
that
were
terminated
throughout
the
county
and
then
one
new
hire
going
up
to
your
highlighted
area.
The
Circuit
Clerk
office
lost
one
full
time
person.
Their
count
is
now
33,
County
Clerk
one
full
time
elected
official
and
in
one
part
time
the
course
and
we
have
been
the
replacement
that
I
haven't
got
there
yet,
but
that
is
at
a
count
of
nine
emergency.
F
F
Sheriff
Corrections
has
lost
one
full-time
person,
bringing
their
count
to
122
state's
attorney,
lost
the
full-time
but
replaced
it
with
another
full-time.
So
their
count
stays
at
34
treasurer
lost
one
full
time
to
retirement,
so
they
are
down
to
six
and
then
the
VA
see
has
lost
one
full-time
person
bringing
in
their
count
to
four.
So
you
can
see
at
the
right
hand,
side.
The
full-time
equivalent
is
at
four
sixty
seven
and
a
half
for
this
period.
B
F
Moving
on
to
the
insurance
I
believe
you
have
a
medical
insurance
plan,
enrollment
2017
versus
2018
in
front
of
you.
We
thought
would
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
where
everybody
chose
as
far
as
plans,
so
as
you're
looking
at
it
I
guess
the
easiest
is.
If
we
go
down
to
the
very
bottom,
the
comparison
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
just
two
hundred
and
sixty-eight
employees
that
were
in
the
HRA
prior
plus
there
was
an
additional
elections
of
15
over
last
year.
So
283
made
up
a
difference
that
went
into
the
different
plans.
F
So,
looking
at
your
HSA
option,
one
the
employee,
only
you
can
see
there
was
a
change
in
plans
over.
We
now
have
10
more
into
that
plan,
employee
in
spouse
to
7,
employing
children,
a
difference
of
two
added,
an
employee
and
family,
a
difference
of
two
added
on
the
HSA
option
to
over
last
year.
There
are
now
16
more
into
that
plan
on
employee
only
employee
in
spouse.
We
have
an
additional
three
over
last
year,
playing
children
for
and
employee
and
family
and
additional
nine
over
last
year,
our
HMO
option
three
big
change.
Here.
F
We
have
an
additional
69
into
the
employee,
only
additional
15
in
employee
spouse,
employee
children
who
went
up
24
extra
and
employee
and
family
additional
34
over
last
year
and
then
our
PPO
plan.
Again,
that
was
a
big
change.
We
have
an
additional
42
over
last
year
in
that
plan
for
employee
only
employee
in
spouse,
6,
employee
and
children,
14,
additional
and
employee
and
family
26
additional.
So
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
where
everybody
elected
to
go
to
wonder.
We
no
longer
had
the
HRA.
H
There
was
a
slight
uptick
in
the
overall
cost.
However,
we
started
out
in
the
lower
20%
range
overall,
you
know
from
one
year
to
the
next
in
terms
of
a
renewal
and
redesigned
almost
every
plan
to
meet
the
financial
criteria
and
got
it
down
into
a
and
E
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
was
under
five
percent.
Was
it
not.
H
To
that
it
was
right
at
effect.
Forgive
me,
I
did
I
didn't
bring
that
sheet,
but
it
was
an
approach
that
was
meant
to
shift
a
lot
of
people
from
the
most
expensive
plans
to
plans
that
we
think
are
going
to
help
the
county
financially
yeah
yeah.
Well
this
year,
you
know
in
terms
of
wins
sheet.
It
shows
that
the
movement
work.
H
You
know
the
contribution
strategy,
if
you
will,
it
did
highlight
as
an
example
some
of
the
HSA
and
the
HMO
plan,
and
what
you're
really
seeing
is
the
shift
to
HMO,
because
it's
a
plan
which
is
priced
for
a
reason,
the
way
it
is,
but
it
also
has
the
benefit
structure
that
the
old
HRA
plan
had
it's
the
closest
to
that.
Now
it's
a
different
animal
in
the
sense
that
HMO
versus
a
PPO,
and
we
did
a
lot
of
employee
meetings.
You
know
focusing
on
that
concept.
H
Trying
to
make
people
understand
if
you
do
make
this
shift.
You
have
a
primary
care
doctor
to
pick,
and
then
you
have
to
rely
on
the
doctor
to
refer
you
to
the
next
level
of
care.
As
an
example,
HMOs
get
a
bad
knock
mostly
because
of
this
referral
problem,
but
in
this
sense
United
Healthcare
offers
a
very,
very
large
selection
of
primary
care.
Doctors
and
their
level
of
specialists
is
very
large
as
well
so
I
think
in
general.
H
Yes,
I
think
the
concept
moved
people
to
where
we
think
the
plans
will
be
the
most
beneficial
financially
for
everybody
in
next
year.
Now,
having
said
that,
one
of
the
things
you're
going
to
see
in
some
upcoming
reports
that
all
lay
out
we
had
I
think
eight
people
with
claims
over
fifty
thousand
dollars
last
year
going
into
next
year.
You
know
we're
hoping
that
we
can
control
these
large
claims
to
a
degree
that
the
movement
into
these
plans
helps
us
to,
because
they
are
very
high,
managed
care
plans.
H
People
have
to
watch
what
they
do
in
them.
You
know
part
of
the
HMO
or
HSA
concept
is
consumer
awareness
of
pricing
and
things
of
that
nature.
Hmo.
The
doctors
are
responsible
for
your
care
at
primary
care
level
and
then
above
so
they're
watching
it
very
closely.
So
I
think
we've
done
everything
in
our
power
so
far
to
move
to
that
direction
is
is
where
I
like
what
I'd
like
to
say.
Thank.
H
There
are
several
sheets
that
were
handed
out.
I'll
start
with
this
long
legal
page,
blue
and
white,
page
you'll
see
at
the
top
left
it's
a
premium
versus
claims
incurred.
It
includes
the
incurred,
but
not
reported
claims
at
IBNR.
It's
a
basic
report
and
you'll
see
here,
there's
24
months
of
experience
and
on
the
far
left
of
the
page,
you'll
see
the
month
in
year,
and
this
report
is
actually
through
11:30.
It's
not
through
1231.
Both
of
that
report
won't
be
generated
until
the
1st
of
next
month.
H
We
require
30
days
after
the
end
of
the
year,
to
you
know,
have
that
report
available,
but
next
to
it
you'll
see
the
number
of
members,
and
that
means
total.
Next
to
it,
you'll
see
the
subscriber
column,
which
means
the
employee
column,
people
that
are
in
the
plan.
The
next
column
you'll
see
where
how
much
premium
was
brought
in.
H
It's
still
not
a
very
good
experience
rating
this
year,
if
you'll,
remember
back
I
think
the
last
report
we
gave
was
closer
to
105
percent,
so
the
year
came
down
a
hair
to
101
as
an
average
and,
as
I
said,
we're
short
one
month
in
this
this
year.
So
the
next
report
could
that
could
deviate
that
to
a
degree
as
well.
So
it's
two
years
of
bad
experience,
which
you
know
goes
back
to
really
the
foundation
of
your
question.
H
You
know
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
it,
and
so
we
have
to
shift
people
into
these
cost-effective
plans
and,
unfortunately,
if
it's
it's,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
changing
quickly.
Although
if
you
look
at
the
last
three
months
of
2017,
66,
65
and
a
hundred
percent,
you
know
that
generated
about
seventy
seven
percent
average,
as
opposed
to
the
previous.
You
know
above
a
hundred,
so
all
we
can
do
is
hope
that
you
know
the
experience.
Changes
in
the
planned
movement
into
these
more
effective
managed
care
plans
helps.
Is
the
bottom
line
beyond
that?
H
One
of
the
things
that
you'll
remember
what
was
available
in
this
previous
year.
That's
not
available
was
the
HRA.
It
ran
very
well
if
it
it
used
about
14
and
a
half
percent
of
what
was
set
aside
for
it
as
an
example
it
in
and
of
itself.
You
know,
work
marvelously,
but
again
we
had
to
make
these
shifts
to
these
Moorman
or
high
higher
managed
care
plans
to
and
get
away
from,
the
HRA
plan,
because
it
was
the
most
expensive
cost
plan.
H
H
One
is
a
claims,
expense
by
size
of
payment
report
and
the
other
one
is
called
a
payments
by
benefit
type
and
in
the
payments
by
benefit
type,
I.
Think
in
one
of
the
smaller
committee
meetings
earlier
in
the
year
week,
we
kind
of
discussed
this
you'll
see
about
mid
page
there
subscriber
payments
and
then
you'll
see
spouse
payments,
dependent
payments
and
then
the
total
breaking
that
down
at
the
bottom
there.
H
From
the
totals
about
fifty
four
point,
one
seven
percent
went
to
the
employee
payments
of
the
total
of
three
three
million
247
at
the
right
side
of
the
page,
spousal
payments
or
almost
30%,
and
then
dependents
are
about
sixteen
percent,
and
therein
lies
another
point
of
reference
that
we've
been
discussing.
Is
you
know
how
to
possibly
get
away
from
some
of
these
agreements
that
you
know
mandate
that
we
include
payments
for
the
spouses
as
well
as
other
dependents?
H
There
is
a
very
high
cost
to
the
spousal
portion
of
this
payment,
so
in
the
future,
that's
something
that
has
been
mentioned
and
discussed
and
we'll
have
to
just
see
what
happens
down
the
road
relative
for
that.
On
the
other
report,
claims
expenses
by
size
of
payments,
you'll
see
there.
It
is
segmented
by
the
number
of
claimants
and
then
it
gives
the
percentage,
the
payments
and
the
percentage
of
those
payments
at
the
but
the
lower.
Third
of
it
you'll
see
the
fifty
thousand
270
for
9.99.
H
There
are
I
think
it's
eight
between
that
and
one
person
in
that
350
column,
one
person,
the
250
cow
and
one
person
and
125
two
people
are
in
the
hundred
to
one
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
category,
and
then
there
are
three
people
between
fifty
and
a
hundred
thousand.
So
those
are
the
the
high
claimants
and
if
you
go
over
to
the
other
side
of
the
page,
you'll
see
that
adds
up
to
somewhere
in
the
nature.
H
You
know
closer
to
20
20
percent
range,
which
that
that
goes
along
with
that
20
percent
of
the
people
cause
about
80
percent
of
the
problems,
and
you
know,
20
percent
of
these
costs
are
based
on
the
large
claimant,
so
I
should
say.
Rather
so
you
know
this
is
not
unusual.
It
hasn't
changed
from
last
year
really.
So
you
know
these
two
reports
just
tell
that
story
in
essence,
so
that's
pretty
much.
It
I
think
going
forward.
We're
gonna
keep
our
eyes
on.
B
G
H
It's
very
average
to
see
these
size
accounts
in
government
have
those
kinds
of
problems,
whether
it's
a
fair
statement
say
it
fits
in
with
other
counties.
I
can't
answer
that
categorically,
but
I
think
that,
generally
you
see
higher
than
average
claims
experience,
because
the
degree
of
control
that
you
have
on
you
know
changing
plans
as
an
example
and
contribution
strategies
are
somewhat
limited
in
government
where,
in
private
industry
you
know,
you've
got
greater
ability
to
make
changes
and
then
you've
got
union
agreements
and
things
of
that
nature
that
come
into
play.
H
One
of
the
things
that
is
interesting
in
Andy
and
I
have
talked
about
this.
Just
very
slightly
is
that
you
know
one
of
the
parts
of
the
Affordable
Care
discussion
in
Washington.
Right
now
is
Association
banding,
together
government
services
and
I
think
you're
going
to
see
some
of
that
to
come
about
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
If
the
changes
are
made
to
ERISA.
That
Trump
is
talking
about
right
now,
an
association
under
ERISA
is
looked
at
as
groups
of
employers
and
each
employer
unto
itself
has
to
be
responsible
for
their
own
compliance
with
rules.
H
The
president
has
made
a
proposal
that
that
be
changed,
that
someone
joining
an
association
as
an
example
would
be
looked
at
as
one
large
group.
So
the
focus
of
you
know
a
small
employer
and,
as
it's
currently
set
up,
would
be
changed
to
be
a
person
as
part
of
a
large
group
which
would
help
get
people
away
from
some
of
these
requirements.
A
small
group
has
me:
it's
not
your
problem,
but
this
banding
together
very
well
could
be
an
approach
that
you
know
will
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
see
it
may
affect.
H
A
Chairman,
oh
yeah,
that's
right!
You
guys
switch
seats,
go
ahead,
know
what
I
was
going
to
bring
in
it's,
not
necessarily
a
numbers
game,
it's
healthy
numbers
games
and-
and
so,
if
you
start
to
band
together,
you
I've
seen
it
with
school
districts
when
I
was
doing
my
job,
not
as
good
as
he
does.
Obviously,
but
you
start
to
see
it
when
you
know
a
district
comes
in
and
they're
very
unhealthy
and
it
actually
kind
of
poisons
the
water
for
everybody.
Their
rates
go
through
the
roof.
A
So
when
you
start
to
look
at
these
associations
that
can
work
in
both
sigh
and
it
changes
from
year
to
year
absolutely,
and
so
it's
really
a
moving
target
and
I.
You
know
it's
schools.
Do
it
a
lot,
but
there
was
other
other
groups
that
had
done
it
in
the
past,
so
we
were
looking
at
it.
It
may
be
an
option.
We
may
be
able
to
do
some
things
here
locally
that
may
not
be
available.
Other
places,
maybe
divert
people
from
emergency
rooms
and
things
like
that.
A
We're
we're
looking
at
this
for
down
the
road,
because
you
just
can't
flip
the
switch
when
renewal
hits.
You
have
to
plan
on
it
ahead
of
time
and
then
be
ready
to
move,
so
it
would
have
to
be
substantial
savings
and
it
really
has
to
shift
the
culture
of
using
your
insurance
like
a
punch
card.
You
know,
that's
that's
what.
A
Know
I
thought
process.
The
committee
should
know
we're
talking
about
it
and
we're
thinking
ahead.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
two
things.
Actually,
when
Mike
talked
about
the
the
county
did
this
for
economic
reasons
it's
just
not
for
the
county.
The
employees
would
have
seen
that
over
20
percent
increase,
so
we
don't
operate
in
the
vacuum
where
it's
all
me
me
us
us
it's
more
looking
at
the
employees
contribution
because
they
would
go
up
to
20
percent.
We
did
the
math
we
were
looking
back
to
when
the
HRA
was
first
instituted.
A
There
would
have
been
60%
of
increases
in
costs
if
we
would
have
made
changes
where
it
only
went
up
about
8%
for
most
plans,
upwards
of
14,
I.
Think
four
for
one
plan
choice.
So
it's
worked
and
if
you
think
about
it,
they'd
be
paying
half
again
as
much
on
their
premium
on
their
check
right
now
for
what
they
have
on
insurance.
So
it's
just
not
the
county.
It's
both
of
us
to
be
able
at
least
have
a
pretty
standard
benefit
level
across
what
we
had
back.
Then
it
just
costs.
Obviously
things
cost
more
yeah.
H
To
maintain
that
same
benefit
level,
is
you
can't
stress
that
enough?
As
you
said,
over
the
three-year
period,
I
think
last
year
we
ended
up
at
2.6
this
year,
we're
still
under
5%
and
the
year
before
that
I
can't
I
can't
remember
what
it
was,
but
you
know
over
those
that
period
of
time
to
keep
it
to
that
level.
Is
it's
it's
pretty
fantastic
in
that
sense,
so
I
agree.
Mr.
J
H
Know
different
companies
will
say
different
things,
but
in
the
mid
70s
70
percent
they,
you
would
probably
see
either
a
static
renewal
or
maybe
a
trend
increased
to
that
degree.
Once
you
get
above
the
80%
level,
it's
it's
hit
or
miss
you're
gonna
have
an
increase,
but
you
know
to
what
degree.
So
you
know
I'd
say
in
mid
seventies.
It's
pretty
first
day.
B
Next
up
is
the
treasurer
mr.
African,
oh
and
while
he's
on
his
way
up,
I'll
need
a
motion
to
combine
and
approve
the
counter
treasurer's
report
for
20
December
2017,
the
County
collectors
report
for
December
2017
and
the
monthly
resolutions
for
February
2018
and
mr.
Payton,
with
emotion
and
mr.
Steinberg,
with
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed.
Thank
you.
Mister
epicotyl,
good.
J
K
K
As
many
of
you
know,
we
took
pre
payments
as
a
result
of
the
Trump
tax
plan.
It
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
for
a
long
time.
The
IRS
then
finally
put
out
some
guidance
which
messed
up
some
people
but
actually
didn't
hurt
us.
The
guidance
said
that
if
properties
were
assessed
and
they
would
then
be
owing
so
you
could
take
prepayments.
So
it
appears
that
unless
there's
another
change,
everybody
who
paid
prepaid
taxes
will
see
the
benefit
because
cake
he
had
Cody
had
completed
our
assessments
and
they
had
been
sent
out.
K
So
we
took
in
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
on
about
five
hundred
and
fifty
parcels
approximately,
and
that
was
from
essentially
December
22nd
to
December
29th.
So
it
was
a
situation.
I,
don't
believe
we
had
ever
done
it
in
the
past,
but
it
was
an
opportunity
for
some
taxpayers
to
benefit
and
just
created
a
little
bit
more
work
for
us,
which
seemed
to
be
seemed
to
be
a
good
thing
for
the
taxpayers.
So
we
did
it.
K
Obviously,
it's
not
gonna
be
a
yearly
thing,
but
if
the
situation
arose
again
like
it
did
this
year,
we
would
do
it
again
for
payment
tax
bills
just
getting
ready
to
get
mailed.
We
do
a
four
payment
plan
that
you
can
sign
up
for.
Essentially
we
divide
your
tax
bills
up
into
four
payments.
What
we
think
four
payments
will
be,
then,
when
your
third,
your
third
payment,
is
actually
your
first
installment,
your
fourth
payments,
your
second
installment
so
and
then,
before
you
know
it,
tax
bills
will
be
going
out
in
May.
B
B
B
A
This
is
the
one
for
the
health
department
that
they
use
for
how
they
get
grants.
So
if
we
don't
abate,
it
they're
not
in,
and
we
have
such
a
small
sliver
of
it.
It's
not
anything
that
we're
saving
we'd
actually
cost
the
county
money,
because
the
health
department
relies
on
this
to
get
a
grant.
So
that's
what
this
is
all
we
it's
a.
D
L
B
L
The
reason
there's
only
one
signature
as
I
was
trying
to
go
in
order
and
I've
been
playing
email
tag
with
Nick
since
Friday,
but
we'll
try
to
obviously
give
them
a
chance,
Nicky
and
Jake
a
chance
to
review
this
as
well
and
get
the
signed
copy.
The
county
code
identifies
the
three
these
three
elected
officials
as
a
signatory,
but
also,
obviously
it
needs
the
board's
approval
as
well.
L
So
this
is
within
a
couple
hundred
thousand
of
what
we
did
a
year
ago
and
it
serves
two
purposes.
One
is
for
the
entries
for
the
year-end
report
for
the
cavalry
for
an
audit
report,
and
that's
why
it's
dated
as
of
11:30
2017,
and
it
also
serves
as
we
as
served
in
the
resolution
ago,
as
we
move
forward
in
the
2018,
so
we're
in
the
season
of
the
difficult
time
of
year
for
cash
as
we'll
get
into
here
in
a
second.
D
B
C
L
L
L
B
Okay,
we'll
need
a
motion
on
the
ordinance
authorizing
the
issue
into
the
$2,500,000
corporate
purpose
and
tort
purpose.
Tax
anticipation
warrants
in
anticipation
of
the
collection
of
taxes
levied
for
the
year
2017
and
payable
in
2018.
You
get
a
motion
in
a
second
mr.
Vickery
with
a
motion,
mr.
Scott
burger,
with
a
second
any
more
discussion
on
there.
B
A
A
So
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
comment
on
the
chairman
or
or
Steve
on
that
meeting,
but
the
the
ask
was
there
and
it
was
responded
to
favorably.
So
I
can't
say
that
it
will
happen
again
next
year
because
we're
not
at
the
end
of
this
budget
here
yet
so.
But
all
indications
are
that
that
our
lending
partners
and
the
the
rating
institutions
are
noticing
the
the
ship
is
turning
and
has
turned
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out.
There.
B
C
L
You
know
this
is,
as
we
talked
about
the
TW
showing
up
in
February
and
the
last
month.
I
mentioned
January
and
April
will
be
the
toughest
month
and
the
first,
the
single
page
I'd,
like
the
concentrate
first
on
the
single
page,
it's
the
top.
This
is
Kankakee
County
finance
department
and
normal
trial
balance
and
then
101
first
America
funds
as
of
yesterday
3:30.
L
This
is
this:
is
the
bank
account
that's,
combined
and
runs
this
way
all
year,
long
with
the
ins
and
the
outs
and
the
funds
identified
and
as
you
can
see,
in
a
combined
level,
yet
as
of
yesterday,
we
were
at
six
hundred
fifty
nine
thousand
dollars
this
morning.
I
did
get
an
email
from
Diana
spate
in
the
treasurer's
office
that
we
did
get
a
federal
federal
wire
today
of
three
hundred
twenty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
thirty
seven.
L
So
last
week
when
the
wire
went
out
for
payroll
and
our
office,
do
you
know
in
the
timing
of
it's
all
the
timing
of
when
deposits
hit,
so
we
usually
print
AP
accounts
payable
on
on
the
opposite
of
payroll
weeks,
and
today
is
AP
and
what's
very
difficult
in
this
time
of
year,
is
making
a
call
of
how
much
ap
to
pay
and
and
being
able
to
answer
when
vendors
will
will
get
paid
and
on
and
what
timing?
So
it.
L
You
know
it's
it's
as
much
as
the
the
need
of
the
TW,
but
it's
also
a
timing
of
when
it
actually
shows
up
and
when
the
timing
of
payroll
sit
and
when
the
time
of
the
deposit
said.
So
this
isn't
to
tell
you
that
the
the
ceilings
fallen
down
on
us,
but
it
does
give
you
a
picture
and
through
communication
and
his
reminder,
December
through
probably
June,
is
you
know,
the
struggle
of
timing
and
payments
to
vendors
is
a
major
major
obstacle,
and
this
just
shows
an
example.
L
A
real
live
example
of
where
we're
at
right
now
so
I
did
update
the
cash
flow
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
you
know
understand
the
estimated
ZAR
averages
and
you
know
sometimes
we
exceed
the
average.
Sometimes
we
end
up
below
the
average,
so
the
estimated
is
the
same
as
you
see
as
you
looked
at
last
month
and
that
was
through
November
I
usually
try
to
get
a
couple
more
months
and
then
reach
the
mate
again
with
updated
trend.
So
we'll
do
that
for
next
month.
L
But
so
you
know
when
you
see
a
million
eighty
million
seven
like
okay.
Well,
we
still
got
money
in
the
bank.
We
don't
have
that
all
the
time
is
basically
what
I'm
reporting
to
you
and
and
the
difficult
part
is
when
we
actually
get
to
the
point
of
what
claims
you
know,
how
many
checks
do
we
write
to
AP
vendors?
You
know
the
single
report
is.
L
Now,
there's
just
over
three
million
dollars.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
vendors
looking
for
payment
right
now,
and
we
understand
that
unfortunately,
we
do
get
the
November
AP
does
go
up
a
lot
of
departments
order
things
before
their
budget
is
up
and
when
we
switch
over
budgets
from
November
to
December
and
which
does
create
a
little
bit
of
a
logjam
as
well
for
this
time
of
year,
just
because
it
rolls
over
into
the
cash
flow
time.
L
So
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
most
up-to-date
picture
and
continue
to
you
know
as
we
look
at
what's
estimated-
and
you
know
we
hope
the
estimated
comes
in
would
be
able
to
continue
what
this
says.
But
it's
all
about
timing
and
actual
and
that's
what
this
other
report
shows.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
everybody
a
look
at
it
and
it
doesn't
feel
good.
It's
not
some
I
don't
enjoy
this
time
of
year
at
all.
Believe
me,
but
it's
on
that.
G
L
You
know
everything
just
ramps
up
to.
You
know
to
the
point
and
the
difficult
part
when,
when
we
get
the
questions
on
our
emails
like,
when
do
we
expect
payment?
That's
a
no.
It's
a
very
it's
almost
impossible
to
answer
those
emails,
and
it's
not
that
we
ignore
them
it
is.
We
don't
have
that
answer
that
answer
comes
when
the
deposit
show
up.
We
have
enough
and
it's
like
how
much
can
we
pay?
You
know
and
that's
who
gets
you
know,
that's
the
amount
that
we
pick.
L
J
A
Weiner,
it's
just
a
statement
to
to
wrap
our
head
around
this
only
changes
when
we
have
a
surplus
in
the
general
fund,
then
we're
not
borrowing
from
banks
to
pay
those
bills
when
we're
not
taking
in
taxes.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
known
this
will
always
happen,
we'll
always
be
sure
to
cash.
Until
we
have
a
surplus
in
the
general
fund,
like
we
did
back
eight
nine
years
ago
or
whatever
it
was
where
we
had
six
million.
That
was
just
so.
A
We
didn't
have
to
go
to
banks
to
get
through
this
time
of
the
year
because
we're
not
taking
in
tax
revenue,
you
know
and
typically
counties,
don't
have
revenue
coming
from
other
sources
like
we
do
here
and
and
when
those
deposits
hit
those
wire
transfers,
that's
our
cash
flow.
We
wouldn't
meet
payroll
in
this
time
of
the
year.
If
we
didn't
have
the
the
rental
program,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
gets
that
you
know
that's
our
cash
flow
in
this
time
of
year.
B
A
B
D
D
L
Then
the
last
segment,
the
regular
receipts,
sales
tax
income
tax
use,
ticks
the
one
thing
with
sales
tax
that
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up.
I
know
you
know
we
see.
We
saw
some
positives
a
few
months
ago
now
we're
seeing
a
couple.
Negatives
I
turn
your
attention
to
the
back
side
of
that
sales
tax
to
the
breakdown
of
the
CST
and
the
CT.
L
So
so
I
think,
that's
more
of
the
explanation
of
why
you
know
the
negative.
It's
big
positives
and
some
negatives,
and
it
has
to
do
with
that
CT
column,
which
is
the
county's
1
percent,
which
happens
in
the
unincorporated
area
sub.
Just
you
know
for
some
insight
on
to
the
sales
tax
number
fluctuation.
D
B
A
L
Yeah
actually
I
wrote
a
note
down.
I
missed
that
the
sessions
went
to
one
session
for
expedites
sitting
there
right
now.
Memory
serves
me
right
about
hundred
seventy-five
thousand
the
$38,000
the
bill,
one
of
the
bills
sitting.
There
is
a
credit
card
bill
to
pay
it's
about
thirty,
eight
thousand
from
previous
activity.
L
A
L
A
A
D
L
B
D
I
Update
and
in
that
I
assume
it
is
about
revenue.
I
can
tell
you
that
our
ice
numbers
have
continued
increase
in
November
we
averaged
153
in
December
we
averaged
157,
our
total
housing
number
for
December
was
eight
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars,
which
is
an
increase
of
one
hundred
and
one
thousand
from
December
of
last
year.
I
So
those
are
certainly
positives.
We're
averaging
for
ice
146
in
January,
but
I
think
that
somewhat
attributed
to
the
holidays,
I
think
people
take
time
off
and
stop
arresting
people
and
around
Christmastime.
So
but
those
numbers
we
just
got
33
new
ones
in
yesterday,
so
those
numbers
will
continue
to
as
they
are.
I
Our
budgeted
number
for
this
year
in
revenue
is
8.7
million,
which
is
an
average
of
about.
Well,
it's
not
about
it's
an
average
of
seven
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand
dollars
a
month.
So
we
are
trying
to
maintain,
at
least
that-
and
at
this
point
we
are
now
looking
based
on
where
the
numbers
are.
I
We
are
looking
at
about
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
an
average
for
2018,
which
would
put
us
around
nine
point:
three:
six
million
in
revenue,
so
all
pluses
I,
think
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
we
do
have
one
of
the
things
that
goes
along
with
ice
are
a
lot
of
inspections,
because
the
requirements
are
stringent
and
nakamoto.
The
company
that
does
the
inspections
for
ice
is
coming
in
here
in
late
March.
So
we
are
preparing
for
that
as
well
questions
on
any
of
that.
I
I
You
should
know
to
that,
where
we're
at
training
wise
they're
required
to
go
through
five
weeks
of
training.
I
have
six
people
in
training
in
Springfield
right
now,
they've
been
there
for
three
weeks,
so
for
every
one
of
those
that
are
being
trained,
we're
back
filling
with
overtime.
So
that's
just
the.
I
Well,
our
our
goal
initially
was
about
140,
but
I
think
we
can
back
off
of
that
a
little
bit
because
I
think
we're
really
looking
hard
at
some
part-time
options
as
well.
The
agreement
that
we
had
with
the
union
was
as
long
as
we
get
back
up
to
our
number.
Then
we
can
get
back
to
the
part-time
people
and
then,
when
our
numbers
go
down,
those
part-timers
would
be
the
first
ones
that
you
know
wouldn't
work.
So
thank
you.
You're
welcome.
A
I
No
I
have
inquired
and
right
now
everything
is
is
out
at
headquarters
and,
unfortunately,
for
us
ice
is
for
whatever
reason
the
president
is
still
okay
with
private
facilities
doesn't
mean
that
that
were
out
of
the
loop
on
that,
but
we
have
inquired.
Actually,
when,
when
senator
Duckworth
was
here,
we
advised
her
of
what
we
have.
We
showed
her
the
Phase
three
we've
we've
told
her
that
you
know
we
showed
her
how
these
individuals
are
treated
in
our
custody,
and
you
know
she
is
according
to
her
has
some
and
one
of
the
committees
out.
I
I
In
fact,
I
was
on
the
phone
with
them,
ironically
Monday,
and
they,
of
course
they
were
shut
down,
but
they
were
there
and
the
other
company
that
we
were
dealing
with.
Was
there
too?
So
it
was
a
plus
I.
Don't
know
that
I
gave
him
paid
or
not,
but
they
were
they
were
there
and
they
were
very
helpful.
They
have
our
information
and
I
guess
they'll
get
to
it
when
it's
convenient
for
headquarters.
I
A
couple
other
things
in
while
I'm
a
firm
believer
in
not
coming
with
a
problem,
but
rather
coming
with
a
solution.
We
are
having
a
number
of
problems
with
our
payroll
system
and
Paylocity.
We
are.
We
are
looking
at
other
options
that
we
hope
will
fix
some
issues
that
we
have
obviously,
first
and
foremost,
number
one.
We
are
still
duplicating
our
payroll
system.
In
other
words,
our
correctional
officers
are
still
punching
in
on
a
clock
and
we're
still
entering
time
in
the
Paylocity
system.
I
Just
so
we're
okay,
if
something
crashes,
because
it
has
gone
down
before
and
we
just
want
to
be-
and
we
just
want
to
be
Oh
alert
that
something
could
happen
with
our
payroll
system
and
make
sure
people
are
getting
paid.
The
right
amount,
a
couple
other
issues
with
with
Paylocity
and
we
obviously
we
being
the
corrections.
Division
has
the
biggest
I
believe
the
biggest
division
in
the
in
the
county
and
Paylocity
I.
Think
self-admitted
is
not
set
up
for
a
24/7
operation
like
ours
if
and
and
believe
it
or
not
and
I.
I
You
know
I
try
to
tell
people
this
all
the
time
we
have
a
number
of
dedicated
people
who
come
into
work
and
while
we
have
three
shifts
our
second
shift
starts
at
6:45
in
the
morning.
If
we
have
an
individual
who
comes
in
at
10:00
after
6:00
to
get
ready
for
work
and
is
there
and
waiting
for
the
daily
briefing,
they
are
actually
getting
a
half
an
hour
of
overtime.
Pay
now
rest
assure
they
are
not
getting
paid.
I
As
far
as
we
know,
however,
we
have
to
use
our
employees,
so
I've
got
an
employee
who
should
be
working
as
part
of
the
corrections
in
dealing
with
this
system
almost
daily,
so
I
understand
the
Paylocity
saved
us
some
money,
but
it's
actually
spending
it's
actually
costing
us
money
on
the
opposite
end.
So
it's
something
that
we
will
I
will
bring
to
the
criminal
justice
committee
as
we
as
we
look
for
other
systems
that
other
law
enforcement
agencies
are
using.
I
We
have
a
list
of
them
and
right
now
we're
in
the
process
of
just
exploring
those
options,
seeing
how
they
would
fit
with
what
we
have
now
and
and
hopefully
alleviate
some
employee
waste
of
time
in
having
to
deal
with
this
system.
While
we're,
you
know,
still
trying
to
run
a
jail,
and
you
know
getting
blasted
for
overtime
and
things
like
that
that
we
have
no
control
over.
A
A
A
J
A
I
D
A
We'll
have
to
look
at
how
much
it
costs
do.
We
got
a
bid
at
kind
of
stuff
later,
but
you
know
it's
that's
more
services
that
if
it
actually
saved
us
money
on
the
labor
side
right
it,
you
know
swiping
in
and
out,
you
know.
If
we're
able
to
do
those
things
takes
the
manual
away
from
it.
So
all
right
sounds
good
and.
I
I
I
mean
we're,
trying
we're
trying
to
save
every
nickel.
We
can,
but
unfortunately
certain
things
don't
allow
us
to
do
that
and
I.
You
know
it
would
be
easy
for
me
to
just
say
heck
with
it
just
order
it
pay
more
money.
Who
cares,
but
that's
not
that's
not
what
this
is
about.
I
mean
we're
about
trying
to
save
every
nickel.
We
can
for
the
benefit
of
the
county
and
we're
not
even
able
to
do
that,
and-
and
that
is
a
shame,
because
you've
got
people
who
care
enough.
I
That
say:
I
can
save
the
county
money
doing
this
and
they're
not
allowed
to
so
I.
Don't
know
what
the
answer.
The
credit
card
situation
is
and
I
just
told
you
I
come
I,
try
to
come
with
solutions,
I
don't
have
one,
but
it's
it's
a
credit
to
our
medical
staff
who
understand.
You
know
that
that
they
are
part
of
all
this
and
they
are
trying
to
save
money
and
they
are
trying
to
do
what's
right
for
the
county
and
they're
unable
to
do
that.
A
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
the
you
know
and
I
actually,
I,
don't
know
if
you
were
in
here
when
we
were
talking
about
that
earlier,
but
a
little
bit,
I
empathize,
it's
it's
frustrating!
You
try
to
save
money
and
do
the
right
thing
you
know
and
and
I
don't
take
it
as
a
that.
We
we
as
a
board,
could
do
anything
differently
because
we've
tried
and
there
is
no
other
solution.
I,
don't
know
what
it
is
that
one
account
is
maxed
out
the
credit
cards
that
are
in
that
one.
I
A
Well,
it's
a
reality.
We
don't
have
one
credit
card
account
with
up
there.
It
was
set
up
for
some
reason,
five
or
six
different
accounts.
Now
they
won't
combine
them.
We've
tried
to
do
that
as
well.
They
will
not
combine
them
into
one
master
account.
It's
to
the
point,
I
think.
If
you
heard
Steve
was
we
could
pay
the
credit
card
bill,
but
then
some
people
don't
meet
payroll.
We
don't
meet
payroll
for
some
I
mean
it's
that
close
all
right
and
so
I
got
I.
Don't
have
an
answer
right
now.
Yes,.
I
Know
we,
you
know
we're
not
out
there
just
spending
like
drunk
sailors,
we're
taking
you
know,
I've
wasted
an
hour
of
my
nurses,
time
who
could
have
been
used
at
the
jail,
maybe
doing
some
other
things
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
costs
to
it.
I
get
it
and
again
it's
it's
just
I
understand
it's
reality,
but
you
know
again.
We
try
to
try
to
do
things
to
save
money.
We
can't
even
do
that
yeah.
So
the
last
thing,
as
Lynn
indicated,
our
we
did
lose
a
deputy
to
retirement.
I
We
are
going
to
replace
him.
We
have
lateral
applications
that
we
are
going
through
right
now
doing
backgrounds
on
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
it
based
on
the
contract.
There
is
a
payout
for
benefits
that
have
accumulated
over
time.
That's
contractual
that
comes
out
of
my
budget.
So
whatever
that
pay
payout
will
be,
you
know,
I.
I
Think
amy
has
that
I,
don't
know
it
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
do
know
that
last
year,
when
we
had
three
deputies
retire
and
a
couple
correctional
officers
that
was
about
a
total
payout
of
about
150
thousand
dollars
that
were
all
out
of
my
budget.
So
we
try
to
wait
until
everything
is
paid
out
so
that
we're
basically
not
paying
double
for
somebody,
but
once
that
payout
is
ended,
we'll
bring
our
for
our
40
poor
deputy
back.
B
A
A
B
N
I
spoke
with
the
County
Board
Chairman
on
several
occasions
and
brought
this
to
the
building
ground
as
well.
I'm,
currently
down
to
seven
employees
in
my
department,
plus
the
mail
courier
I,
have
one
one
employee
off
with
with
a
knee
replacement
and
they
don't
foresee
his
return
for
at
least
another
month.
N
I've
pleaded
and
pleaded
and
pleaded
to
get
some
additional
help.
Here
again
this
morning
we
had
an
accident
go
down
at
one
of
the
jails.
One
of
our
jail
guards
fell
slipped
this
morning,
because
we
weren't
able
to
get
ahead
of
him
with
the
salt
that
we
needed
to
get
down
to
cover
that
area
and
again
I
think
we're
going
to
start
seeing
this
more
and
more
and
more
as
we
move
forward
we're
going
backward
as
a
department.
We're
not
able
to
get
things
done.
N
I've
been
confronted
about
cleanliness,
the
buildings,
all
of
them
by
Vice,
the
chief
judge,
the
County
Building
as
well.
County
Board
Chairman,
just
sent
me
an
email
requesting
that
wanting
to
know
why
things
aren't
getting
done,
I'm
more
familiar
than
anyone
of
what
doesn't
get
done
in
my
buildings
and
I'm.
As
you
can
tell
I'm
upset
about
this
because
personally
I
take
this
as
as
a
problem.
I
don't
see
us
moving
forward
and
we
continue
to
not
do
things
that
need
to
get
done.
N
I
have
nine
buildings,
nine
buildings,
this
building
the
treasure
building
the
courthouse,
the
annex,
building
the
old
jail,
the
Public
Safety
Building,
the
morgue,
all
those
garages
that
are
attached
to
it
and
the
Jerome
combs
Detention
Center
I
have
three
guys
that
the
Jerome
combs
detention
center
are
our
lead.
Mechanic
out
there
who
works
by
himself
in
most
instances,
is
running.
He
literally
runs
during
the
day.
We
cannot
continue
to
ask
these
employees
to
keep
this
up,
so
something
needs
to
get
done
here.
N
I
I'll
be
leaving
here
in
July
as
you're
all
aware,
I
know,
there's
a
plan
to
hire
a
new
new
replacement
for
me.
I
don't
want
to
look
backwards
and
say
it
didn't
get
done
because
of
me
and
that's
what's
happening
now:
we're
not
being
able
to
stay
ahead
of
it
so
I'm
making
some
requests
here.
The
staffing
levels
in
this
department
be
brought
back
up
to
at
least
ten
and
I've
asked
for
several
months
to
no
avail.
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
N
N
Hundreds
of
thousands
I
think
the
backs
of
the
employees
of
the
maintenance
department
are
at
wit's
end
and
I
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
I
can't
ask
these
guys
to
do
any
more
I
can't
ask
him
to
do
any
more,
so
I'm
copping
a
plea
here,
as
I
have
for
the
last
four
or
five
months
that
I
need
help.
I
go
around
this
building
begged
the
department's
Laurie
does
a
tremendous
job
for
me
when
I
need
stuff
done.
N
Michelle
down
and
planning
Diana
I
call
on
a
lot
of
different
people
in
this
kakao
knee
to
help
get
things
done
for
my
department
that
I
just
can't
complete
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
making
a
staff
request
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
to
I.
Don't
know
where
else
to
go.
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say
about
this,
because
we're
not
doing
anything
extra
anymore.
N
We're
not
doing
those
extra
things
that
need
to
get
done,
we're
in
crisis
management,
and
that
was
never
what
we
wanted
this
to
happen,
and
we
were
heading
in
the
right
direction.
Two
years
ago,
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction.
Things
were
getting
better
they're.
Not
now
they're
going
backwards,
so
that's.
M
N
N
An
administrative
assistant
that
could
price
quote
out
what
we
purchase
because
we're
at
the
mercy
of
the
of
the
products
going
up
in
price
I
mean
we
do
we
don't
see,
increases
but
I
don't
see,
increases
in
my
budget
as
I
see
increases
in
the
products
that
were
purchasing.
So
that's,
that's,
that's
huge
I
mean
the
budgets
set
by
you,
guys
I,
don't
I
create
a
budget,
but
it
really.
The
only
thing
that
applies
is
the
staffing
levels.
N
N
If
I
could
get,
if
I
can
get
two
custodians,
that
would
be
huge
because
then
I
could
free
up
mechanics
that
to
go
out
get
the
things
done,
that
we
need
to
do.
There's
requirements
out
at
Jerome
combs
with
the
ice
program
that
we
have
to
continue
to
meet,
which
requires
that
my
staff
to
do
some
things
to
save
money.
N
We
could
call
Rooter
in
to
pull
cables
there
and
pay
three
times
the
amount,
but
instead
we
use
two
of
my
staff
on
a
weekend
to
get
those
things
done
and
meet
the
requirements
of
ice
and
then,
and
they
can
do
those
those
requirements,
never
end
I
mean
they
continue
to
grow
and
grow
and
grow,
as
the
sheriff
is
indicated.
So
a
couple
additional
people
also
keeping
in
mind
I,
have
employees
that
have
46
days
off
year,
43
days
off
year,
40
days
off
year
with
the
paper
with
with
their
vacations
and
paid
holidays.
N
A
I
was
I
was
gonna
mention
the
administrative
assistant
part
is
not
the
we.
We
were
moving
Brian
up
to
the
fifth
floor
to
help
with
that
situation,
so
we're
already
addressing
that
I
thought.
We
were
all
clear
on
that.
That
was
one
of
the
benefits
of
him
being
up.
There
is
there's
gonna,
be
someone
to
receive
those
calls
and
be
able
to
help
with
ordering
those
supplies
who
who
an
already
overburdened
staff
that
sits
up
there.
How
about
I
worry
about
that
because
we
already
talked
about
it.
I
have
people
up
in
that
department.
A
A
In
the
ministry
assessing
it
for
30
years,
if
we
can't
meet
payroll
right
now
without
holding
back
credit
card
payments,
how
do
I
get
you
an
administrative
assistant
in
two
or
three
employees?
That's
my
question
because
it's
a
legitimate
question
to
ask
it:
it's
not
personal,
because
you
by
far
Rd,
as
far
as
I,
know
the
best
department
had
in
your
department
that
I've
heard
or
seen,
though
that's
been
here.
This
isn't
a
reflection
on
you
and
it
sure
is
a
reflection.
N
Chairman
I
think
it
is
it's
a
direct
reflection
on
everything
that
we
do
here,
because
I'm
being
called
out
by
the
other
department
heads
for
not
getting
my
job
done
and
that
bothers
me,
it
may
not
may
not.
Maybe
not
everybody
else
here
cares,
but
I
sure
do
like
things
aren't
getting
done
it
somebody
fallen
this
morning
is
under
me.
That's
me,
that's
not
on
anybody
else,
because
I
didn't
get
the
salt
down
in
time
they
burned
up.
N
It's
it's
a
circle,
that's
not
connected!
That's
where
I
met
here
and
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
but
it
does
it
to
me.
It
just
doesn't
seem
like
it's
ever
enough.
There
isn't
enough
and
I
and
I've
I,
don't
know
what
to
say
about
this
I
I,
honestly,
don't
I
understand
and
want
to
help.
Certainly,
but
I
go
upstairs
and
I
see
what
these
girls
are
doing.
They're
they're
already
working
doing
everybody
else's
job,
the
more
you
do.
It
seems
like
the
more
you
get
to
do.
I
Yeah
for
those
that
especially
some
of
those
that
are
newer
to
the
board,
the
maintenance
department
actually
now
falls
under
the
sheriff's
office
and
for
those
that
have
been
on
the
board
for
quite
a
while.
You
probably
remember
that
whatever
budget
was
set
for
the
maintenance
department
was
almost
non-existent
and
whatever
money
we
needed
to
spend,
they
spent
to
the
point
of
a
$900,000
budget.
They
would
finish
at
well
over
13
or
14
or
1.3
or
1.4
million,
because
things
have
to
get
done.
I
I
can
tell
you
firsthand,
because
I
hear
the
frustration
not
quite
daily,
but
I
hear
the
frustration,
a
lot
from
Brian
and
and,
as
Andy
said,
he
is
by
far
the
best
maintenance
director
of
this
county
has
ever
seen,
and
it's
one
of
those
things
where
he
or
we,
as
in
the
maintenance
department
and
the
sheriff's
office.
The
budget
falling
under
our
department
gets
punished
for
doing
a
good
job.
I
You
know
we're
two
or
three
employees
down.
You
know
it's
okay,
they'll
be
able
to
do
it
because
they
are
that
good.
Our
maintenance
department
has
never
been
better
and,
and
unfortunately,
that
sometimes
becomes
a
punishment
and
and
I
feel
Brian's
pain.
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
we
seriously
consider
looking
at
a
couple
more
custodians
for
for
the
maintenance
department
because,
as
as
he
said,
we
are,
you
know,
winners
almost
over,
which
is
good,
I
mean
we
all.
We
all
can
be
happy
that
winner
is
gonna
go
away.
I
However,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
get
done
at
every
building.
That
Brian
is
responsible
for
that
this
committee,
the
building
and
grounds
committee,
really
has
no
idea
how
much
money
is
getting
saved
by
the
things
that
he
does,
and
so
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
you
allow
him
to
hire
two
people.
If
you
look
at
and
and
I'm
sure,
this
board
gets
the
same
emails
that
go
out
from
from
Diane
regarding
hiring
people.
I
We're
not
in
a
hiring
freeze,
I
can
tell
you
that
there's
hirings
that
go
out
every
week
and
that's
the
frustrating
part
and
some
people's
end
is
that
some
people
lose
people
and
then
they
replace
them.
Brian
has
not,
and
you
know
I
just
think
that,
as
as
we
move
forward,
I
think
it's
imperative
that
this
committee
find
some
way
to
bring
in
additional
help
so
that
our
buildings
can
continue
to
be
maintained
as
they
should,
because,
let's
face
it,
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
new
buildings
that
that
Brian's
dealing
with.
N
N
N
Yes,
sir,
it
would
at
least
alleviate
the
make
the
maintenance
side
of
this
to
get
things
fixed
because
it
currently
right
now
I
go
to
outside
contractors
on
most
fixes.
Now
my
maintenance
guys
are
doing
basic
stuff
mic,
mechanics
all
the
rest
of
is
being
called
by
outside
contractors,
all
roof
patching
that
we
could
be
doing.
I
call
Angliss,
there's
Tony
I,
don't
have
time
to
send
them
out
on
a
roof,
make
patches.
D
D
O
Did
what
the
sheriff
just
talked
about
running
the
morgue
and
running
my
two
offices
out
there?
Our
morgue
is
cleaned
by
my
personnel
out
there.
We
can't
get
somebody
out
there
because
they're
so
busy
out
there,
it's
vacuuming
and
all
that
stuff
that
you
got
to
do
in
the
office
itself
and
I
understand
what
Brian's
going
through
I
know
that
he's
been
one
heck
of
a
individual
as
a
department
head
for
that
department.
You
can
call
him
on
the
phone
and
he'll
give
you
an
answer
right
away.
I
know:
I
got
problems
with
my
heat.
O
My
freezers
and
stuff,
like
that
he's
on
that
every
day
and
losing
him
is
gonna,
be
huge
to
the
county.
When
you
lose
him,
I
can't
tell
you
how
great
of
an
individual
that
guy
is
and
and
what
he
does
for
our
County
one
of
the
things
that
I
agree
with
Mike.
He
needs
more
help,
understand
and
we'll
walk
through
our
building
ones
to
be
building
walls
evening.
The
walls
are
dirty.
O
The
the
carpeting
is
dirty
they're,
doing
the
best
of
their
ability
out
there,
but
like
it's
like
you
said,
you
need
to
get
out
and
see
what
they
do:
one
guy
and
Chris
the
guy
out
there
that
does
the
maintenance
he's
like
you,
see
his
car
going
back
and
forth
him
running
into
my
office,
and
we
had
problems
over
there
at
the
morgue
on
electrical
Wyatt.
I
had
to
wait
almost
a
day
and
a
half
of
who
I
could
get
that
done.
O
N
M
B
G
I
D
M
I
I
M
Think
we're
all
sympathetic
Brian,
it's
just
that.
Like
the
chairman
says,
we
got
payroll
and
right
now,
I,
don't
know
where
we
get
the
money.
I
mean
that's
I,
don't
know
what
the
rest
of
the
committee
feels
like,
but
we
can't
pay
our
credit-card
bills
and
and
we're
getting
penalties
there.
And
you
know
how
do
we
do
this
I
and
I
understand?
There's,
there's
positions
that
open
and
and
then
are
filled
people
retire,
we're
losing
one
in
a
Treasury
Department
and
we're
filling
it.
So
it's
staying
static
in
in
some
areas,
but
well.
N
The
cost
you
need
to
understand
that
a
cost
associated
with
not
doing
things
that
we
should
be
doing.
Carpets.
For
example,
you
go
out
to
you,
go
out
to
to
the
administration
department
out
at
Jerome
combs.
Those
carpets
are
awful,
saying
these
office
they're
awful
they're
awful
they're
there
to
the
point
where
they're
dangerous,
because
they're
turning
into
trip
hazards,
so
those
things
that
aren't
getting
done
carpet,
why's
cleaning
all
those
things.
This
is.
N
This
is
just
a
big
giant
snowball
and
it's
and
again
I
feel
like
like
I
started
off
in
2012,
and
we're
headed
back
in
that
direction
and
I.
Think
that
bothers
me
more
than
anything
is
that
we're
not
making
headway,
or
at
least
even
staying,
even
with
where
we
are
or
where
we
got
to
you,
know
I
again,
I
got
a
guy.
That's
working
at
the
courthouse
runs
over
here
comes
here
at
six
jumps
in
a
truck
salts.
All
the
parking
lots
gets
out
of
that
truck
jumps
back
in
his
truck
runs
to
the
courthouse.
N
Does
his
run
of
the
courthouse?
Get
a
couple
bathrooms
clean
and
dump
the
trash
now.
I
need
him
to
come
back
here,
because
I
have
work
orders
over
at
this
building
at
aren't
getting
finished,
I
mean
this
is
a,
and
these
are
all
out
of
on
a
few
hands.
Those
two
people
down
at
the
jail
know
we're
upgrading
cameras
there.
We
have
to
keep
that
jail
maintained.
It's
just
one
thing
after
another
and
I,
it's
easy
to
sit,
I,
guess
and
look
at
the
big
picture
and
go
okay.
N
N
N
J
What
what
I
like
to
know
is,
you
know
you
say
we're
hiring
outside
people
to
do
our
work.
Now
you
know
I
would
have
come
here
with
what
it's
costing
us
there
versus
what
it's
going
to
take
the
hire
new
people.
If
it
makes
sense,
we
could
make
money
on
the
deal
higher
to
do
people
we're
having
to
pay
this
over
pay
overtime
and
pay.
You
know
I,
think
those
figures
need
to
be
brought
forward
for
me
to
make
an
educated
decision
they're
enough.
I
have
all
that.
Let.
B
I
A
That's
kind
of
what
I
think
there's
a
misconception
that
the
the
employees
in
maintenance
that
are
in
the
sheriff's
department
they're
still
under
this
maintenance
budget,
but
he
has
control
over
their
actions
within
those
buildings.
This
is
the
county
board's
budget
and
maintenance.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
so
we're
making
the
decision
here
and
I
don't
think
anybody's
unsympathetic
to
the
situation
no,
but
I
wanted
to.
A
If
it
extra
needs
to
go
there,
then
it's
got
to
come
away
from
somewhere
else
and
you
have
to
decide
who
you're
gonna
say
no
to
that
wants
to
backfill
positions
that
they
don't
have,
that
they
never
replaced
or
are
short-handed
in.
We
have
to
be
prepared
to
answer
those
questions
at
the
same
time.
So,
whatever
you
think
or
say,
sympathetic
wise,
this
committee
is
about.
Where
does
the
money
come
from
and
where
they're
gonna
go
to
and
again
to
Mister
stomping
burgers
point?
A
Yeah
there's
a
good
point.
I
just
want
to
mention
here's
a
good
point.
We
can't
take
work
away
from
the
people
that
are
in
that
bargaining
unit
by
the
way
who
hasn't
agreed
to
a
contract.
We
don't
have
one,
so
we
can't
take
snowplowing
away
from
them
and
send
it
off
to
another
company
to
plow
our
Lots
okay,
so
that
that
is
part
of
the
situation
where
we
can't
subcontract
that
work.
That
goes
to
somebody
else,
so
we're
not
hiring
out
for
that.
A
D
I
I
B
G
Thank
you,
there's
one
other
aspect
of
this
and
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
Brian
and
a
sheriff
and
for
mr.
Gastner
and
I
am
new,
but
one
other
aspect
of
this
is
deferred.
Maintenance,
always
costs
a
lot
of
money
and
it's
cheaper
money
to
spend
it
before
it
gets
too
far
along
I've
been
in
Sandy's
office.
I
know
what
it
looks
like
I
know
the
condition
of
the
carpet.
There's
things
that
need
to
be
done.
I
understand
the
financial
situations,
but
many
times
just
there's
things
that
happen.
B
B
D
B
So
now
we
get
into
the
winter
months
and
we
don't
have
that
money
now.
We've
got
real
problems,
so
it's
I
know
it's
easy
to
stand
up
here
and
say
he
needs
two
guys.
He
needs
one.
He
needs
three
that
all
adds
up
and
pretty
soon
we
don't
have
the
money
to
make
payroll
in
the
months
that
we're
gonna
need
it,
because
we
don't
have
the
T
aw.
B
A
A
I
said
the
email
about
the
first
floor
is
because
we
had
snow
and
salt
track
down
there
for
a
week
and
that's
today.
Maybe
we
just
need
to
ship
things
around
I
understand
this
isn't
on
you,
but
we
need
to
make
the
first
floor
at
least
a
little
bit
better,
looking
and
accessible
for
people,
because
it
was.
It
was
bad.
We
had
snow
and
salt
for
a
week,
and
so
that
was
why
sent
email
and
I'm
not
apologetic.
A
For
that,
let's
see
if
we
can
get
someone
down
there
to
mop
it,
but
it's
not
a
priority
as
far
as
spreading
salt
out
in
the
lot.
So
someone
of
the
fall
so
kind
of
taken
back
by
a
little
bit
of
that
stuff,
like
we
don't
know,
what's
going
on
in
these
buildings,
I
absolutely
know.
What's
going
on
in
these
buildings,.
B
A
It
it's
just
advisory
that
when
we
adopted
we
adopted
the
resolution
on
mileage
reimbursement
for
the
employee
handbook
it
allowed
for
the
flexibility
for
the
number
to
float
as
it's
established
by
IRS
and
the
state
and
all
of
that
stuff.
So
we
don't
have
to
take
action
from
year-to-year.
They
just
know
that
those
numbers
are
being
updated.
I
want
to
let
finance
know
that,
because
some
people
said
do
we
need
a
resolution.
It
changed.
We
set
it
up,
so
we
don't
it.
Just
it
refers
to.
That
number
is
established.
Okay,.