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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 4/19/2023 9:00 AM
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B
A
You
I
don't
see
any
public
comment.
I,
don't
have
anything
in
front
of
me,
we're
all
good
out
there
can
we
get
approval
of
minutes,
everybody
receive
them
in
the
email
and
you
want
to
changes
or
deletions
they
want
to
make,
or
we
have
most
entertaining
motion
to
Mr
Miller,
Mr
long,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next
is
the
building
permit
to
get
a
motion
to
approve
a
billing
permit
Mr
eckhoff.
C
All
right
are
we
on
yes
all
right.
Good
morning,
your
building
report
for
March
of
2023
should
be
in
your
packet.
We
issued
74
total
permits.
No
new
houses
brought
in
revenue
of
43
000.
a
lot
of
that
from
a
couple
of
solar
farms.
We
are
trending
upward
in
Revenue
same
month,
last
year
we
had
only
brought
in
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
in
Revenue
total
residential
permits.
Out
of
that,
74
was
63
residential
permits.
A
C
A
C
C
A
D
The
only
question
I
just
had
a
question
regarding
contingency,
though
sure
I'm,
seeing
20
on
all
of
these
I
believe
I
looked
at
them
all.
Is
that
a
number
that
is
locked
in
by
the
new
legislation
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
we're
we're
B?
We
are
being
mandated
to
account
for
the
scrap
value
in
20
years
of
this
material
from
solar
Farms.
Can
we
increase
that
contingency
number,
based
on
the
fact
that
we
don't
know
what
the
market
is
going
to
be
in
20
years
for
Less
crap?
These.
C
A
C
Ahead,
don't
it's
very
hard
to
read
up
there,
so,
hopefully
you
can
follow
along
in
your
packet
anytime.
I
have
text
like
this.
It
just
doesn't
work
on
the
PowerPoint.
Basically,
this
is
an
amendment
to
our
ordinance.
Currently,
some
variances
when
when
they
are
requested,
stop
at
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
is
the
final
decision-making
Authority.
C
We
are
removing
that
language
so
that
all
variances
always
go
all
the
way
to
the
County
Board
and
that's
what
this
does
so
we're
striking
out
the
parts
where
it
says
these
stop
at
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
making
sure
that
everything
goes
to
the
county
board
so
that
they
get
to
review.
You
guys,
get
to
review
it
and
make
sure
that
the
right
decisions
are
being
made.
A
C
C
Does
the
County
Board
necessarily
need
to
weigh
in
on
that,
maybe
not,
but
that
extra
layer
of
review
and
a
little
bit
more
time
a
few
more
weeks
between
zoning
board
and
County
Board
is
not
that
big
of
a
deal
to
get
that
extra,
a
little
bit
of
extra
review
and
the
decision
making
process.
So,
okay.
C
Zoning
board
did
vote
to
approve
this
amendment
four
to
one.
The
dissenting
vote
didn't
say
why
I
think
it
had
to
do
with.
It
does
technically
take
a
little
bit
of
authority
away
from
the
zoning
board,
but
as
I
explained
to
them,
it
doesn't
change
anything.
They
still
do
their
vote.
It's
just
their
vote
is
not
the
final
say.
A
Okay:
okay,
we
had
a
motion
in
a
second,
according
to
my
notes
here.
So
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
oppose
same
sign:
okay,
going
again
we're
gonna,
combine
and
approve
a
couple
appointments
here:
Mr
Ashcraft!
You
want
to
make
a
motion
to
combine
and
improve
okay.
Let's
get
a
second
okay,
Mr
long
yeah.
C
A
C
A
C
So
today,
we're
talking
about
comprehensive
planning.
The
county
has
a
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
right
here.
It
can
also
be
found
on
our
website.
If
you
don't
want
to
waste
a
couple
of
trees-
printing
it
if
anybody
doesn't
have
one
and
would
like
a
printed
copy,
let
us
know
we'll
make
you
one.
C
This
clicker
hangs
a
little
bit,
so,
let's
get
let's
go
to
a
little
bit
of
History.
First
of
all,
let's
talk
about
what
a
comprehensive
plan
is.
Comprehensive
plan
is
a
guide
for
the
County
Board
and
other
decision
makers
to
use
and
consult
when
you're,
making
land
use
and
development
decisions.
That's
what
it
is.
It
is
not
an
ordinance,
it
is
not
law
and
it
is
not
regulation.
It
is
a
guideline,
but
it's
a
guideline.
That's
been
thought
about
ahead
of
time
and
and
been
plotted
out.
So
it
is
a
good
guide.
C
Not
everything
fits
within
that
guide.
Not
everything
was
thought
about
at
that
time
and
therefore
you
can
make
changes.
It
is
not
a
static
document,
it
is
a
fluid
document
and
can
be
changed
periodically
and
should
be
changed
and
examined
periodically.
Kankakee
County's
first
comprehensive
plan
was
adopted
in
1978
14
years
later,
an
extensive
update
to
pretty
much
an
entire
rewrite
was
done
in
1992
and
then
13
years
later,
our
current
plan
was
adopted
in
2005.,
so
it
is
18
years
old
right
now.
C
We
had
a
lot
of
public
involvement
and
we
will
constantly
request
public
involvement
in
the
planning
process
and
it
focuses
the
plan
focuses
on
four
key
questions.
Where
is
the
community
now?
That's
where
we
examine
existing
land
use
where
our
roads
and
infrastructure
are
sewering
water,
what
the
culture
is
and
demographics?
We
look
at.
You
know
current
and
past
demographics
to
see
how
the
you
know
how
the
county
is
doing.
C
How
did
the
community
get
here?
That's
another
component,
so
we
look
at
history.
What's
happened
in
the
past?
What
mistakes
did
we
make,
but
what
was
successful?
So
we
look
at
that
so
that
we
can
move
forward.
Then
then
here's
a
big
discussion:
where
does
the
community
want
to
go
and
that
looks
at
Future
land
use
future
roads,
future
infrastructure?
C
Where
do
you
want
the
community
to
be
in
20
25
years
and
that's
what
that's?
What
the
Outlook
of
the
plan
is
you're
planning
today
for
where
you
want
to
be
in
around
20
to
25
years,
and
then
you
get
to
the
really
plant
planning
part.
These
are
the
goals
and
objectives.
How
do
we
get
there?
So
we
know
where
we've
been.
We
know
where
we
want
to
go.
How
do
we
get
there
so
that
those
are
the
components
of
the
plan
or
the
process
foreign
cycle?
C
Typically,
it
covers
a
20
25
year
period
and
you
usually
start
updating
it
about
five
years
prior
to
that.
So,
in
our
case,
around
15
years,
ours
is
18
years
old.
It
is
time
to
start
thinking
about
it
and
the
planning
process
can
take
up
to
two
years.
Generally,
the
last
one
was
18
months
so
between
18
months
and
24
months.
To
get
to
the
end
and
updating
the
plan,
it
usually
falls
on
the
shoulders
of
the
regional
Planning
Commission,
as
the
lead
for
for
that
plan.
A
C
Throughout
the
whole
process
are
public
meetings,
and
that's
where
you
gather
public
input.
You
have
stress
like
when
you're
doing
the
future
land
use
plan,
you
put
maps
on
a
table
and
break
people
into
groups,
and
everybody
gets
markers.
It's
really
fun
exercise
you
bring
all
of
that
together
and
decide
what's
best
and
and
how
it
all
fits
together.
The
public
hearing,
part
of
it
would
come
after
the
plan
is
mostly
complete
and
the
regional
Planning
Commission
would
be
ready
to
submit
that
plan
to
the
county
board
for
approval.
C
The
final
step
before
that
would
be
a
public
hearing
where
we
would
present
the
plan
to
the
public
and
give
30
or
90
days
somewhere
in
that
range
for
the
public
to
get
a
last
chance
to
comment
on
it
again.
Okay,
thank
you
awesome.
So
the
components
of
the
plan
and
I've
got
this
broken
down
into
the
previous
planning
process,
got
introduction
and
vision
and
demographics
and
Trends.
So
that
tells
you
where
the
community
is
now
and
where
the
community's
been.
C
And
then
our
plan
has
the
land
use
plan
the
transportation
plan.
We
have
natural
resource,
open
space
and
Recreation
section
the
public
facilities
plan
and
the
economic
development
plan,
so
that
tell
that
part
of
the
plan
tells
us
where
the
community
wants
to
go
and
then
at
the
end,
how
do
we
get
there?
That's
the
implementation
part
of
the
plan.
C
Now,
looking
at
our
current
plan,
one
of
the
first
things
they
did
was
scenario
selection.
They
had
three
different
scenarios
that
came
forward
business
as
usual,
which
was
what,
if
we
don't
do
anything
and
the
only
changes
we
make
are
based
on
demographics,
then
they
cut
the
county
in
half
and
said
everything
to
the
north
of
Route.
17
is
urban.
Everything
South
is
rural,
and
then
they
had
the
Town
and
Country
approach
where
development
would
be
concentrated
around
the
municipalities
and
everything
else
would
remain
rural
or
agriculture.
C
The
County
board,
at
that
time
in
2005,
decided
to
go
with
the
Town
and
Country
approach,
which
made
more
sense
oh
hard,
to
grow
forward.
If
you
keep
business
as
usual,
and
the
urban
North
Rural
South
would
just
was
wrought
with
many
many
issues
giving
everybody
north
of
Route
17
development
rights
and
everybody
south
of
17.
None
and
didn't
necessarily
fit
yeah
a
good
pattern,
so
that
one
was
quickly
dismissed
as
well.
C
But
that's
part
of
the
planning
process
is
bringing
different
ideas
forward
and
seeing
which
one
works
and
which
one
doesn't
no
and
again
the
reason
they
chose
Town
and
Country.
It
preserves
the
County's
unique
urban
and
rural
Lifestyles.
It
accommodates
growth
in
an
orderly
manner
by
concentrating
things
around
our
our
municipalities
and
it
did
put
in
a
provision
where
they
also
allowed
growth
around
hamlets
areas
that
were
not
municipalities
but
already
had
an
urban
or
residential
feel
to
them.
C
So
our
land
use
plan-
and
this
is
one
that
you
really
should
look
at
any
time-
you're,
making
a
zoning
change
whenever
you
have
a
request
to
change
zoning
on
a
piece
of
property,
you
should
open
this
book
or
look
it
up
on
the
website.
Look
at
the
map
and
see
what
the
map
and
the
plan
says
about
that
area
if
somebody's
requesting
their
property
be
changed
to
commercial.
C
Four
change
of
zoning
if
it
goes
against
the
plan,
that's
one
of
the
components
of
determining
if
something
is
spot
zoning
or
not,
if
it's
in
compliance
with
the
plan,
even
though
it
might
be
surrounded
by
other
uses,
if
if
the
county
would
wish
that
area
to
to
transition
from
residential
to
Commercial-
and
the
plan
says
it
should
having
commercial
isolated
inside
of
a
residential
area
is
consistent
with
the
plan
and
therefore
not
spots
only
many
times
it
takes
a
lot
of
years
for
that
to
occur.
For
a
transition
like
that.
C
Some
of
that
you
can
kind
of
see
like
in
some
of
the
urban
areas.
You're
looking
for
along
Armor
Road
you've
got
some
businesses
mixed
in
with
the
houses.
That's
because
the
village
of
Bourbonnais
plans
that
area
to
be
commercial
along
Armor
Road,
but
yet
it's
being
used
as
residential
now
so
it'll.
It's
a
very
slow
transitional
process
and
there's
what
our
map
looks
like,
unlike
a
traditional
teacher
land
use
map
where
it
usually
identifies
residential
areas,
commercial
areas,
industrial
areas
that
you
want
to
grow
into
this
one
took
a
little
bit
different
approach.
C
Are
what
they
call
Community
a
Community,
Development
Area,
and
through
the
discussions
it
was
determined
that
we
wanted
to
concentrate
growth
around
the
municipalities
and
we
really
should
not
dictate
to
what
that
you
should
be.
The
municipality
should
be
so.
What
it
does
is
anything
in
that
gray
area
should
be
or
could
be
developed,
but
we
would
follow
the
lead
of
the
municipality
in
the
area
as
to
what
it
should
be
developed
to.
C
C
That's
called
conservation
development
similar
that
we
would
take
the
lead
of
the
municipality,
but
it's
meant
to
be
more
low
density.
You
wouldn't
put
a
Walmart
in
the
yellow
area,
but
you
might
put
a
gas
station
or
a
convenience
store
tackle
shop,
tackle
shop,
okay,
residentially,
you
wouldn't
put
high
rises
or
multi-family
there,
but
you
might
put
you
know
two
acre
lot:
single
family
homes,
okay,.
C
C
But
some
of
these
objectives
and
goals
are
really
no
longer
valid
or
should
be
looked
at,
as
things
have
changed.
Objective
1.10
consider
the
possible
impacts
of
the
development
of
the
South
Suburban
airport
near
Peotone,
and
while
that
was
done
somewhat,
you
know
it's
18
years
later.
It
probably
needs
to
be
Revisited.
If
the
airport's
even
going
to
happen,
which
I
think
it
is
I've
heard
some
rumors
out
there
about
it
again,
but
anyway
it
should
be
reconsidered.
We
don't
necessarily
you
know.
C
If
you
like
goal
three
support
a
county-wide
program
to
prepare
for
and
address
development
rights,
our
development
of
regional
impacts
such
as
airports,
amusement
parks
Etc,
so
they
wanted
to
have
a
special
path
in
process
for
very
large
developments
that
was
never
created.
So
when
revisiting
the
plan,
we
should
decide
whether
we
want
to
still
pursue
that,
and
if
so,
we
should
give
some
resources
to
actually
getting
it
done.
This
time
promote
a
range
of
housing
choices
throughout
the
county.
C
Objectives
on
how
to
go
about
doing
that
there
as
well,
that
was
that
was
the
land
use
portion
of
the
plan.
Now
we
have
the
transportation
component
and
this
works
in
conjunction
with
and
complements
the
mpo's
plans,
County
highways
plans
and
other
Transportation
plans.
So
this
is
just
another
layer
and
it
does
take
a
lot
of
that
into
consideration.
C
You
see
back
in
and
here's
some
other
changes
that
need
to
occur
in
our
plan
back
in
2005,
the
ilian
expressway
or
the
East-West.
Corridor
was
still
a
thing.
In
fact,
in
2005
the
Illinois
Illiana
Expressway
wasn't
on
the
plan
and
we
had
an
option
of
putting
a
thoroughfare
along.
The
county
line
is
what
we
put
in
our
plan
that
eventually
morphed
into
the
illian
expressway,
but
so
our
our
plan
is
calling
for
some
type
of
East-West
Corridor
along
the
county
line.
C
There's
no
map
involved
with
this
one
goal:
one
preserve
the
Integrity
of
the
Kankakee
River
as
a
sustainable
source
of
water
and
is
an
environmental,
recreational
and
economic
resource
over
the
last
few
years.
That
is
really
came
to
the
top
of
some
of
our
activities
goal:
two
Safeguard
Kankakee
County's
environmental
features
and
natural
resources
as
distinguishing
features
of
the
county.
C
Goal
three
manage
stormwater
floodplains
and
wetlands.
We
have
been
doing
that
for
at
least
the
last
30
years
and
that
still
continues
in
an
ever-changing
playing
field
goal.
4
support
a
public
and
private
Park
and
Recreation
system
that
promotes
Healthy
Lifestyles
by
offering
active
and
passive
recreational
opportunities
and
I
believe
part
of
that
one
we
had
the
Greenways
and
trails
plan
was
another
supplemental
plan
that
went
into
that,
and
part
of
that
was
talking
about
having
a
county-wide
Park
District
Forest,
Preserve
District
that
could
better
coordinate
those
type
of
activities
and
public
facilities.
C
C
That's
why
we
were
focusing
everything
towards
the
municipalities
that
already
have
that
or
are
capable
of
providing
it
support.
Managing
County,
Solid
Waste
in
accordance
with
the
following
action:
hierarchy,
prevent
reduced,
reuse,
recycle
waste
to
energy,
incinerate
and
then
landfill.
So
they
wanted
landfilling
of
waste
to
be
the
the
last
option
to
be
chosen
goal
three
ensure
a
supply
of
high
quality
water,
including
conservation
measures
to
support
the
County's
population
economy
and
natural
systems
goal
four:
a
system
of
Public
Safety,
Justice
and
law
enforcement
that
provides
equal
and
fair
treatment
to
all
goal.
C
This
part
of
the
plan
also
complements
and
works
with
planning
at
the
economic
Alliance
of
Kankakee
County.
They
have
their
own
plans
over
there.
So
that's
another
plan
that
would
have
to
be
examined
for
this
portion
of
the
planning
effort
and
again
no
map
involved
with
this
one.
But
there's
some
goals
strive
to
achieve
a
stable
economy
that
includes
business.
Diversity,
provides
high-paying
primary
employment
and
living
wage
opportunities
and
is
compatible
with
planned
growth
and
quality
of
life
objectives
for
the
county
goal.
C
So
why
does
our-
and
this
is?
Why
does
our
plan
really
need
to
be
updated?
Well
back
in
2005,
some
things
didn't
exist
under
land
use
and
development.
Renewable
energy
facilities
were
not
a
thing
then,
and
now
they're
becoming
very
prominent,
and
their
impact
was
never
considered.
In
the
plan,
we've
had
Municipal
expansions,
including
two
new
municipalities
since
2005.
the
village
of
limestone
in
the
village
of
Salmon's
point,
so
that
was
never
considered
in
our
plan
and
how
that
might
affect
our
plan.
C
Internet
and
online
options
for
goods
and
services,
a
lot
of
e-commerce
people
working
from
home.
None
of
that
was
considered
in
our
plan,
which
can
greatly
change
your
transportation
routes
and
land
use
patterns.
Maybe
we
don't
need
2,
000
Acres
of
commercial
development.
If
people
are
buying
things
on
Amazon
and
having
it
delivered
to
their
house,
maybe
we
need
more
Industrial
space
for
warehouses
at
that
point.
That
was
never
thought
about.
So
that's
something
that
would
need
to
be
looked
at.
We
didn't
have
historic
preservation
in
2005.
that
didn't
start
till
2008.
C
C
C
And
the
county
really
can't
stop
that.
So
that's
something
to
think
about
impact
fees.
They
were
just
getting
started
in
2005..
That
would
be
something
the
plan
should
probably
look
at
and
there's
a
lot
of
new
zoning
Concepts
and
different
types
of
residential
development.
That
was
not
part
of
the
plan
because
it
wasn't
really
a
concept
back
then,
such
as
tiny
homes,
auxiliary
dwelling
units,
different
types
of
multi,
multi-use
or
multi-family.
C
C
C
The
I-57
exit,
312
reconfiguration,
is
that
going
to
change
anything
nine
thousand
North
Road
improvements,
hobby
Avenue
improvements
and
mass
transit
expansions
since
2005
Metro
is
now
going
to
Manteno
and
University
Park
and
Midway
Airport.
Does
that
change
traffic
patterns
Transportation
patterns,
different
options?
Should
we
have
more
residential
around
those
locations?
So
people
can
have
a
can,
can
walk
to
the
to
the
bus
stop.
So
so
those
those
kind
of
things
should
be
looked
at.
C
We
should
look
at
what
those
impacts
will
have
on
the
county
and
particularly
Pembroke,
Township
and
I.
Think
some
of
moment's
Township
new
parks
have
been
built.
New
bike
trails,
bike
Lanes.
Those
should
be
looked
at:
loss
of
solid
waste
oversight,
loss
of
a
landfill.
We
have
not
had
a
solid
waste
division
until
since
around
2007..
C
We
are
currently
trying
to
re-establish
that,
but
again
something
else
that
should
be
looked
at
for
recreation.
We
lost
a
lot
of
golf
courses
in
that
period
of
time
and
storm
water
and
erosion,
Control
Ordinance
didn't
come
into
effect
till
2006,
so
should
examine
how
that's
how
effective
that's
been
and
if
there's
any
change
that
needs
to
be
done
there
public
facilities.
Our
plan
talks
about
the
new
Corrections
Facility
in
Pembroke,
which
was
a
thing
back
then
that
didn't
happen,
Courthouse
Renovations
and
needs
it
is
that's
currently
ongoing.
C
Now,
but
I
don't
know
how
that
might
affect
public
facilities.
Moving
forward
the
natural
gas
pipeline
in
Pembroke,
Hopkins
Park,
it's
probably
going
to
spur
on
some
development
out
there.
We
probably
should
examine
where
that
development
should
be
and
how
it
would
affect
our
road
systems
and
the
current
existing
development
and
the
rural
Broadband
initiative.
You
know
bringing
Broadband
services
to
all
of
the
rural
areas.
How
is
that
going
to
affect
our
land
use
patterns?
C
C
C
We've
had
a
reduction
in
retail.
You
know
the
mall
is
barely
hanging
on
and
we've
had
some
major
shifts
of
our
commercial
corridor
used
to
be.
You
know
the
corner
of
Route
50
and
Armor.
Road
was
the
commercial
area
on
up
to
Larry
power.
Now
it's
seems
to
be
migrating
northward
to
St,
George,
Road
and
probably
to
the
new
6000
interchange.
C
E
B
C
C
According
to
the
plan,
we
should
be
at
probably
about
135
000
people
right
now,
we're
not
we
actually
lost
population,
so
gotta
see
how
that
affects.
Moving
forward
covet
19.
that
definitely
changed
travel
patterns,
how
we
work
and
how
we
shop
changing
demographics.
The
Hispanic
population
continues
to
increase
aging
population,
our
population
keeps
getting
older
and
we
have
the
loss
of
population
in
2020.,
all
areas
that
need
to
be
looked
at
and
analyzed
and
there's
a
lot
of
new
state
statutes
and
laws
out
there.
C
What's
in
the
plan
that
didn't
happen,
at
least
not
yet
west
side
bypass,
South,
Suburban,
Airport,
High-Speed,
Rail,
illian
Expressway,
as
I
said
a
little
bit
ago,
residential
population
growth,
six
thousand
and
seven
thousand
and
East-West
Corridor.
That's
the
6000
interchange
road
commuter
rail
to
Chicago
and
a
county-wide
storm
water
district.
Those
were
all
parts
of
that
plan.
C
C
Then
you
make
adjustments
to
the
plan.
You
update
your
ordinances
policies
and
other
plans
to
coincide
with
with
this
plan.
So
it's
a
it's
a
ever
evolving
series.
You
update
your
plan,
then
you
look
at
your
codes
to
make
sure
that
you
can
achieve
that
plan
with
those
codes.
You
look
at
your
policies,
which
are
part
of
the
part
of
the
plan,
some
other
internal
policies
to
make
sure
you're
promoting
the
plan.
C
A
E
C
C
Now
there
may
be
some
grant
opportunities
out
there
as
well.
The
majority
of
this
one
was
paid
by
a
transportation
Grant
that
would
still
be
available
or
not
maybe
for
parts
of
it
at
least
the
transportation
part
of
it
possibly.
But
we'll
have
to
look
into
that.
If
the
County
Board
would
like
to
update
its
plan,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
updated.
We
can.
We
can
continue
with
what
we've
got,
but
it
falls
short
in
a
lot
of
different
locations.
As
you
can
see,.
A
C
That's
how
most
contracts
work
you
give
them
an
upfront
amount.
Thirty
percent
forty
percent,
something
like
that.
Sometimes
it's
20
and
then
they
bill
you
monthly,
with
a
final
payment
held
back
of
the
last
10
percent
or
something
like
that
until
the
plan
is
adopted,
we're
sure
that
they
did
what
they
were
supposed
to
do.
So,
how.
C
A
C
F
F
F
C
C
F
G
G
C
Municipalities
have
their
own
plans
or
they
should
not
all
the
little
ones.
Don't
okay,
but
this
the
county
does
its
planning.
The
municipalities
do
their
planning.
We
don't
plan
inside
the
municipalities.
They
don't
necessarily
plan
in
the
county,
definitely
not
outside
their
mile
and
a
half
okay.
So
we.
G
C
C
D
Bill's
process
basically
explained
that
we
we
are
to
take
into
account
the
Strategic
plans
of
all
the
municipalities,
but
we
don't
necessarily
create
a
main
concert
with
them.
So
as
we're
working
on
our
strategic
plan,
you
know
Village
or
city
X.
It
has
a
area
that
they
have
pegged
for
residential.
We
should
include
that
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
I
think
that's
what
Dell
was
saying
am
I
correct.
D
Correct
you
know
so
we
we,
the
IGA
part
of
it,
is
I,
don't
want
to
say
not
necessary,
but
we
should
all
take
into
consideration
what
our
thoughts
are
and
if
we
really
disagree,
that's
that's
okay!
Now
I'd,
rather
much
rather
spend
grant
money
than
Harper
money
on
this
there's
a
lot
of
federal
grants
out
of
us
Eda
that
that
are
specifically
for
these
types
of
things.
D
So
one
of
the
there's
always
a
local
portion
of
it
and
it
can
be
up
to
you
know
20
percent,
but
that's
still
a
nice
chunk
of
change.
So
the
local
portion-
yes,
but
I-
wouldn't
want
to
that
waste.
Isn't
the
right
word:
I'd
rather
use
the
arpa
funds
for
other
things
that
there
aren't
necessarily
grants
for.
Does
that
make
sense.
C
D
Oh
yeah,
yeah,
okay
and
just
know
that
we
knew
we
needed
a
strategic
plan,
but
we
also
had
to
have
a
solvent
County
first
and
so
the
the
the
option
of
updating
our
strategic
plan
or
paying
State's,
Attorneys
and
policemen
word
odds
with
each
other
I
hope
that
makes
sense.
Now
that
we're
not
just
surviving
we're
actually
starting
to
flourish.
Now
we
can
take
a
look
at
things
like
this
on
the
local
match
requirement.
C
C
You
know
really
it's
probably
about
the
same,
because
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
analyze
this
plan,
but
we're
going
to
rewrite
most
of
it,
but
we
don't
have
to.
If
the
County
Board
decided,
we
really
you
know
mpo's
taking
care
of
transportation.
We
really
don't
need
to
do
that.
Economic
Alliance
is
taking
care
of
Economic
Development.
We
really
don't
need
to
do
that.
We'll
follow
their
plans.
You
could
just
update
the
land
use
plan.
You
could
update
just
portions
of
it
if
you'd
like.
C
A
C
Is
a
document?
That's
yes,
they
all
work
in
conjunction
with
each
other.
This
is
your
guide.
Your
ordinance
is
what
you
this
guides,
what
your
decisions
from
the
ordinance,
but
the
ordinance
should
be
changed
to
match
these
policies
that
are
in
this,
so
so
they
work
hand
in
hand,
okay,
really
hard
to
have
one
without
the
other.
C
C
H
Go
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
As
a
former
consultant
I'll
tell
you,
you've,
scrapped
the
entire
plan
and
and
take
the
big
paycheck
to
write
the
new
one.
It's
just
it's
not
when
we
would
do
these
bids
and
you'd
say
hey.
We
got
this
great
plan,
we
say
that's
great.
You
pay
us
300
000
to
come
to
town
and
write
it
so
we're
just
gonna,
throw
the
old
one
away
and
write
the
new
one
with
with
our
our
flare
and
it's
just
it's
the
nature
of
Consulting.
H
H
We
get
circulars
from
dot
all
of
the
time
about
funds
being
available.
Timelines
are
typically
always
tight
on
them.
This
one
in
particular,
doesn't
have
an
awfully
tight
timeline,
but
you
do
you
do
have
the
circular,
but
Safe
Streets
for
all
is
a
program
that
came
out.
The
state
has
replenished
a
billion
dollars
through
you
know
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law,
so
Bill
Bill
made
available
another
billion
dollars
and
they've
lumped
another
170
into
it,
170
million.
H
So
it's
it's
a
big
chunk
of
funds
federally
and
there's
kind
of
two
tranches.
For
this,
though,
there's
a
state
action.
There's
an
action
plan
for
the
local
jurisdiction
and
then
there's
an
implementation
plan
program,
and
you
cannot
can
I
Implement.
Without
a
plan.
The
state
of
Illinois
looks
like
they
will
be
completing
a
plan
for
each
of
the
jurisdictions,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
us
necessarily
from
applying
for
funds
ourselves.
H
So
that's
at
the
staff
level.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
the
appropriate
timeline
by
working
through
the
committee
in
putting
together
a
potential
for
a
grant
application.
In
the
event,
the
state
does
not
create
an
action
plan
representing
Kankakee
County,
but
also
kind
of
trying
to
check
some
of
the
boxes
that
that
come
with
this
and
one
of
those
is
the
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
We
have
something
with
gold,
we
have
Goal
Zero,
so
we
want
zero
deaths
on
the
roadway
for
all
users.
H
That's
motorists
non-motorous
and
what
we
consider
to
be
the
the
vulnerable
population
of
users
and
part
of
this
exercise
is
having
a
a
formal
declaration
from
The
Authority,
so
Chief
elected
official
in
in
the
county
board
chairman
Mr
Wheeler,
where
we
would
say
our
goal
is
to
meet
that
Goal
Zero
I,
don't
believe
that
anybody
at
dot
expects
to
snap
their
fingers
and
have
zero
deaths
in
Illinois.
We
have
probably
1300
deaths
on
the
road
right
now.
I
I,
don't
even
know
the
number,
but
it's
always
a
very
staggering
number.
H
We
have
almost
double-digit
deaths
or
I
guess-
maybe
16
deaths
rolling
in
from
last
year
in
Kankakee
we're
on
Pace
for
probably
a
similar
number
this
year,
and
we
would
all
like
that
number
to
be
zero.
But,
interestingly
enough
in
this
ss4a
one
of
the
requirements
in
order
to
get
to
the
implementation
step
is
that
the
governing
body
has
expressed
this
support
of
the
effort
of
Goal
Zero.
H
So
I
will
continue
to
work
through
this
I.
Don't
have
the
formal
Grant
application
done.
I,
don't
have
a
formal
request
before
me.
This
came
this
circular
came
through
I,
wanted
to
share
it
with
this
committee,
but
likely
next
month,
I
will
be
bringing
you
grant
paperwork
and
a
request
for
authorization
for
us
to
apply
the
one
piece
of
that
being.
H
This
is
another
one
of
those
80
20
things,
so
we're
looking
for
how
we
funded
on
on
our
end,
and
we
want
to
make
that
that
that
ask
appropriately
aligned
with
with
what
our
budget
looks
like.
Currently,
the
one
very
unfortunate
part
of
this
is
because
it
is
federal
funds.
I
can't
use
any
of
our
mpo
grant,
which
is
also
federal
funds
for
match.
H
That
would
be
a
really
easy,
like
pull
20K
out
of
that,
throw
20
then
to
100
000
plan.
We
don't
quite
have
that
ability.
So
that's
why
we're
working
with
Michael
vanderhoff
at
D.O.T
to
see
how
they
can
use
the
States
match
for
a
federal
match
and
just
kind
of
throw
an
umbrella
over
the
areas
that
don't
have
ss4a
plans
and
get
that
done
for
the
state.
Really,
the
entire
State
should
have
this
at
the
MPL
level.
I
will
tell
you:
we've
been
visiting
other
mpos
to
talk
about
best
practices.
H
Talk
about
improving
our
system.
How
can
we
plan
more?
How
can
we
make
sure
our
public,
you
know,
is
more
engaged?
How
can
we
make
sure
we're
hitting
on
justice
40
initiatives?
How
can
we
make
sure
we're
hitting
on
carbon
reduction
initiatives
really
looking
at
our
entire
system
as
a
whole
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
everything
that
makes
sense
and
can
be
done
and
implemented
quickly
at
a
local
level?
We're
doing
those
are
those
things
that
are
longer
term.
H
We're
asking
you
for
that
authority
to
do
we're
likely
going
to
broaden
that
the
state
of
Minnesota
has
a
really
fantastic
kind
of
tenure,
Goal
Zero
in
place
right
now,
and
so
we're
reaching
out
to
other
states
to
see
how
they're
even
doing
it
to
make
our
initiatives
better.
So
all
of
this
will
kind
of
roll
into
and
I
know.
H
H
We
want
to
make
sure
the
one
the
dollars
that
actually
hit
the
street
that
actually
become
available
to
us,
because
Congress
presses
a
lot
of
funds
available.
The
governor
presses
a
lot
of
funds
available,
but
sometimes
those
never
come
to
fruition
and
it's
like
yeah
there's
lots
of
money
available.
Where
is
it
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
when
it
is
something
like
this
billion,
that
was
announced
that
is
available
for
this
use
that
we're
maximizing
that
opportunity
so
more
to
come
on
on
ss4a.
H
But
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
circular
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
one
other
circular
that
came
through
since
we
sent
that
one.
What
three
four
days
ago,
there's
more
on
National
Electric
Vehicle
inventory,
so
the
navi
program
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
So
we
have
a
large
National
program,
Mr
Chris,
Schmitz
heading
it
up
for
the
state
of
Illinois
they're,
looking
to
have
certain
requirements
on
charging
stations.
We
have
been
identified
in
in
Kankakee
likely
in
the
city
of
Kankakee
to
be
one
of
those
charging
stations.
H
So
what
their
the
real
goal
is
there
to
have
sub
30-minute
charging
six
or
more
units
within,
let's
say
a
mile
of
the
of
the
expressway
so
somewhere
like
a
a
new
truck,
stop,
maybe
could
have
a
location
where
you
could
charge
vehicles
and
and
have
something
to
do
for
that.
30
minutes,
I
think
there's
a
philosophical
thought
about
electric
vehicles
and
I:
don't
know
how
any
of
you
feel
about
it.
I
I
I
know
how
I
personally
feel
about
it,
but
I,
regardless
of
any
of
those
feelings.
H
This
is
something
that's
coming,
and
this
is
something
the
state
is
going
to
implement
and
if
they're
going
to
make
Grant
funds
available
and
make
it
easier
to
charge,
Vehicles
we'll
make
sure
we're
in
line.
So
it's
I
know
it's
a
lot
and
I
know
some
people,
maybe
don't
necessarily
agree
with
them,
but
I
do
also
feel
if
there's
a
grand
opportunity
there
that
potentially
can
offer
some
value
to
our
residents
or
visitors
we'll
make
sure
we're
in
line
so.
H
H
You're
talking
about
for
ss4a
yeah,
so
yeah,
there
there's
always
components
for
for
underserved
and
there's,
there's
always
a
conversation
about
potentially
maximizing
Grant
funds
for
underserved
communities
where
they
could
do
diminished
match.
I
think
the
problem
we'll
have
is
Kankakee
County
as
a
whole
is
not
an
underserved
Community
right.
So
we
have
portions
of
our
community
that
are
defined
as
underserved
census
tracts.
But
if,
if
we
as
the
lead
agency
are
applying
for
it,
we
Encompass
the
entire
geography,
and
so
we
we
can't
just
say:
oh
we'll
get
a
couple
census
tracks.
H
Can
we
get
100,
Grant
or
or
get
to
the
front
of
the
line
for
being
an
underserved
Community?
Now,
when
they
review
that
application
I
believe
if
a
portion
of
our
population
is
defined
as
underserved?
That
makes
us
more
competitive,
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
I
don't
believe
we're
going
to
be
able
to
apply
for
any
sort
of
waiver
from
a
funding
standpoint.
So
I
still
think
we'll
be
looking
for
that
20
at
the
local
level.
F
A
H
Will
let
the
likely
at
the
next
meeting-
and
this
is
really
just
for
the
edification
in
this
room
and
and
a
lot
of
people
involved
in
in
our
mpo
activities
under
understand
this?
We
get
updates
from
dot
on
existing
projects
and
so
I'm
going
to
start
sharing.
Those
I
was
thinking
just
kind
of
generally,
you
all
Drive
our
road
systems,
and
you
say
why.
Why
is
57
still
under
construction?
Why
are
they
closing
57
at
night?
H
It's
because
there's
some
Bridge
period,
issues
on
the
Northbound
lanes
that
are
taking
longer
than
we
thought
we're
driving
more
on
that
improved
shoulder
which
that
HMA
was
not
designed
to
be
driven
on
as
much
as
it
has
been.
It
starts
to
squirt
out
and
kind
of
become
a
little
more
fluid.
They
had
to
replace
all
of
that
to
make
it
safe.
H
You
know
and
waterways,
or
that
the
cities
aren't
talking
about
necessarily
from
a
a
city
standpoint
from
their
mft
funds.
These
are
the
Statewide
projects
where
you
might
want
to
know
when
a
mast
arm's
being
replaced,
we're
about
to
go
to
bid
for
Route,
1
and
17
for
mass
time,
we'll
go
to
bid
in
June.
So
that's
on
that
that
update
so
you'll
know
that
project's
coming
when
it's
under
construction-
and
you
start
to
see
it
so
just
you'll-
have
a
little
better
feel
for
what's
happening
in
our
traffic
system.
F
F
H
And
I
try
to
be
cautious
when
I
talk
about
this,
we're
very
good
in
the
state
of
Illinois
for
waiting
for
fatality
to
happen
and
then
saying
man.
We
really
need
to
do
this
Improvement
of
the
system
and
and
that's
just
not
the
appropriate
way
to
look
at
Goal
Zero
right,
because
we
talk
about
moving
forward.
You
don't
wait
for
the
deaths
and
make
the
changes.
That
being
said,
there's
probably
20
trillion
dollars
worth
of
Road
improvements
that
need
to
be
done
in
order
to
make
it
safer
and
then
still
likely.
H
We'll
we'll
have
some
issues.
I
will
say
from
a
staff
standpoint
an
mpo
standpoint,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing.
We've
asked
permission
from
the
state
of
Illinois:
we
purchased
traffic
counters
and
when
we
purchased
them
because
we
use
the
grant
funds,
we
got
a
little
more
upgraded
product.
So
we
can
count
speeds
and
and
Headway
and
types
of
vehicles,
including
lengths
and
we've,
been
looking
at
all
sorts
of
areas
throughout
the
county.
We're.
H
While
we
plan
for
our
our
Metropolitan
planning
area,
which
is
just
kind
of
the
urban
core,
we
have
received
authorization
from
dot
to
look
at
other
areas.
We
do
a
an
annual
East-West
truck
traffic
analysis
and
there
are
targeted
areas.
We
have
been
looking
at
in
areas
that
aren't
necessarily
within
our
MPA
and
we're
happy
to
start
to
do
counts
to
give
more
empirical
data
to
dot
on
a
more
regular
basis.
H
They're
they're
doing
traffic
counts
for
us
every
three
years
we
do
traffic
counts
all
summer,
long,
every
single
year
and
when
I,
when
I
get
a
kind
conversation
from
a
board
member
saying,
we've
got
a
lot
of
trucks
or
got
a
lot
of
whatever
driving
through
a
certain
area.
We
throw
mag
counters
down
and
we
know
within
that
count
exactly
the
number
of
units
we're
talking
about.
There's
not
a
lot
of
guesstimates.
There's,
not
a
lot
of
trying
to
do
12-hour
counts
and
extrapolate
we're
doing
actual
36
hour
counts.
D
It
was
going
to
be
the
the
the
nature
of
of
Dot,
and
you
touched
on
it.
I
think
I
know
the
answer
now
that
you're
done,
but
since
this
is
a
state
route,
where
would
they
have
that
data?
Would
they
gather
it
towards
57,
or
do
they
gather
it?
The
state's
data
I
guess
I'm
assuming
they
have
it
and
it
sounds
like
not
every
time
they
do
have
it.
You
have
to
supply
it.
To
them.
Is
that
correct.
H
So
so
they
they
do
single
counts
and
we
get
again.
We
have
a
really
good
relationship
with
Dot
and
they
give
us
our
all
of
their
points
every
year
for
counts,
but
sometimes
they're
doing
12
hour,
counts
in
a
single
location
and
then
they're
extrapolating
across
the
entire
length
of
that
segment.
Their
segment
lengths
are
far
longer
than
ours
are
we're
we're
much
more
granular
when
we
collect
data
because
we're
a
small
NPO
and
we're
worried
about
our
roads,
they're
worried
about
everybody's
roads,
so
yeah
they'll
they'll
have
an
entire
segment.
H
At
this
point,
where
we're
turning
over
to
them
account,
we
did
well,
we
haven't
done
any
yet
because
it's
still
snowing,
but
but
once
it
stop
snowing
for
sure
we'll
be
out
there
and
we
might
turn
over
May
counts
to
them
to
say
here.
Here's
the
new
data
we
have
so
yeah
it.
Sometimes
it
is
just
I,
don't
want
to
say
a
guess,
but
it's
very
educated
in
their
process,
but
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
doing
finite
segment,
counts,
they're,
doing
kind
of
less
granular,
more
broad
Strokes
approaches
to
traffic
counting.
Okay,.
F
You
know
when
that
corn
is
growing
if
you're
coming
out
of
Pembroke,
you
can't
see
those
trunks
coming.
No,
you
know
through
moment
you
know
coming
from
moments,
but
you
know
there
is
land
that
another
person
Farms
right
in
that
little
circle.
I
would
love
to
see
if
the
county
could
buy
him
out
and
put
like
a
little
thoroughfare
where
the
show
bus
could
come
and
pick
up
people
right
there.
H
Has
changed
in
20
years,
and
but
all
all
of
these,
these
segments
are
intertwined
and
kind
of
all
these
threads
make
up.
You
know
our
our
system
and
yeah
it's
it's
making
sure
that
the
the
roads
are
safe,
but
also
that
people
have
access
to
transportation
and
and
that
we
have
setback
requirements
that
are
appropriate
to
make
sure
that
turn
radiuses
are
safe.
All
of
that
goes
into
this
kind
of
whole
picture.
F
H
A
A
A
C
E
C
D
There
is
an
illness
I
can
tell
you
my
phone
rang
during
the
meeting.
I
didn't
answer
it
obviously,
but
it
was
a
drainage
District.
They
have
a
industrial
neighbor
that
is
blowing
out
their
tiles,
and
so
I've
been
talking
with
Dell
the
past
few
weeks
about
what
is
that
that
legal
responsibility
we
have
and
what
can
we
do
with
the
situation?