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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 9/20/2017 9:00 AM
A
B
You
we
have
no
request
for
public
comment
this
morning.
The
approval
of
the
august
16
2017
minutes
would
be
in
order,
mr
washington,
mr
payton,
with
a
second
any
additions
or
corrections.
B
Okay,
no,
no
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carried
building
report,
the
july
2017
building
report.
C
C
C
B
C
My
on
this,
this
will
be
a
standing
agenda
item
on
all
of
our
agendas.
D
B
Okay,
going
on
to
transportation.
C
Transportation
just
make
a
note
here.
C
Okay,
idot
has
issued
a
call
for
projects
for
public
transportation
service
that
qualifies
as
inner
city
bus
service
for
the
fiscal
year,
2019
funding
sources,
the
federal
transportation
bill,
which
is
for
fta
funds
to
be
used
for
eligible
inner
city
bus
service.
We
believe
that
kanke
county
through
show
bus
has
an
opportunity
to
receive
these
these
funds
and
would
like
to
apply
for
the
grant
so
we're
asking
for
approval
from
the
committee
to
proceed
with
the
preparation
of
the
application,
which
we
will
bring
back
to
you
next
month.
E
G
C
They
do
work
together,
but
they
are
two
entirely
separate
agencies
in
separate
systems.
Showbus
is
responsible
for
rural
transit,
which
is
outside
of
the
metropolitan
area
and
river
valley.
Metro
is
responsible
for
transit
within
the
metropolitan
area,
so.
C
H
C
To
city
this
would
allow
us
to
enhance
our
momentum
route
and
actually,
in
the
long
run,
may
reduce
our
not
only
not
cost
us
money
but
actually
reduce
our
local
match.
This
could
save.
I
Tripp,
you
know
I've
asked
this
question
a
long
time
ago,
but
why
don't
they
combine
the
two
of
them:
saving,
personnel
etc?.
C
I
C
C
Well,
I
think
they
are
separate
to
make
sure
that
the
rural
areas
do
get
their
fair
share
if
they
were
combined.
You
might
see
in
certain
areas
that
the
money's
all
going
towards
the
metro
area
and
the
rural
area
being
left
out.
B
E
You,
mr
chairman,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
as
I
understand
it,
I
I
have
a
disabled
child.
Well
she's
an
adult
now,
but
the
services
are
available
through
show
bus,
say
she
had
a
doctor
appointment.
Show
bus
could
pick
her
up.
Take
her
to
the
doctor.
Appointment
metro
would
not
do
that
service,
so
it
helps
elderly
disabled.
You
know
more
homebound
people
who
don't
have
transportation
in
the
rural
areas
to
get
to
certain
things.
E
C
To
be
in
within
their
route,
yes,
well,
they
they
do
have
a
a
a
van
that
shadows,
the
routes,
the
ada
van.
It's
a
that's
a
demand
response
van
is
my
understanding.
Okay,.
B
C
C
C
I
J
C
Pembroke
does
get
five
day
a
week
service.
It's
the
only
rural
area
that
does.
B
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
under
piece
planning
and
zoning
cba
case
17-06
request
for
variance
to
section
121-285
fence
height
in
the
c2
general
commercial
district,
on
a
partial
generally
situated
in
section
16
of
bourbon,
a
township
petitions
are
mario,
allegro
property
owner
and
adrian
and
roxanne
maiden,
applicants
diane.
Can
you
switch.
C
C
C
All
right,
this
one's
fairly
straightforward,
it
was
heard
by
zoning
board
on
monday
night.
The
subject
site
is
the
huddle
bar
and
grill
at
1887
armor
road
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
familiar
with
that
they
have
an
outdoor
patio
at
that
location
where
they
serve
drinks
and
food,
and
a
previous
owner
put
up
an
eight
foot
fence
barrier
fence
around
that
around
that
patio
with
no
permits,
because
at
that
time
he
would
have
been
told
that
you
can't
have
an
eight
foot
fence.
C
Six
feet
is
the
county's
maximum
amount
of
fence
the
fence
has
deteriorated
and
the
maidens
have
came
in
asking
for
a
permit.
They've
already
ordered
the
eight-foot
fence.
C
I
think
it's
sitting
on
site
and
that's
when
we
told
them
they
couldn't
have
an
eight-foot
fence,
they're
applying
for
a
variance
to
allow
for
the
eight-foot
fence
instead
of
a
six
foot,
and
they
gave
plenty
of
good
reasons
such
as
the
security
of
the
patio,
so
that
alcohol
is
not
removed
from
the
patio
and
weapons
or
other
contraband
is
not
brought
into
the
patio.
C
G
G
G
We
should
have
some
parameters
by
the
type
of
fence
we're
going
to
accept
at
eight
feet
now
this
fence
may
be
perfectly
fine.
I
am
not
privy
to
what
they're
trying
to
put
in
place,
but
I
I
think,
as
a
community
in
a
community
that
some
serious
consideration
has
to
be
given.
Here
I
mean
it's
within
the
village
of
bourbon.
A's
limits
has
bourbon
a
approved,
this
fence.
C
G
C
C
The
intergovernmental
agreement
line-
they
had
no
comments,
so
they.
C
I
B
Opposed
okay
commotion
passes
historic
designation
for
county-owned
properties.
Ms,
yes,
please.
K
Okay,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
you
probably
know
about
this
project
who
are
on
the
alliance
board
of
directors.
We've
been
talking
about
it
for
about
three
and
a
half
years
now.
This
is
an
initiative
that
came
out
of
the
planning
department,
initially
back
in
2014,
so
about
a
month
from
now
october.
27Th,
our
application
to
the
illinois
state,
illinois,
illinois
historic
sites,
advisory
council
in
springfield
will
be
it
will.
It
will
be
seen
by
this
body
in
order
to
approve
a
downtown
historic
district
for
casey
keith.
K
The
alliance
has
been
working
with
the
city
of
kankakee
development
corporation
and
carlisle
architects
for
this
period
of
time,
in
order
to
bring
this
before
the
the
committee.
The
purpose
of
of
this
is
to
secure
a
20
federal
tax
credit
for
developers,
downtown
kankakee,
who
choose
to
do
historic,
lease,
sensitive
development
or
redevelopment
of
property.
K
This
is
not
in
any
way
a
mandate
on
property
owners,
downtown
kankakee.
It
is
a
voluntary.
It
would
be
something
that
they
would
voluntarily
seek
if
they
so
cho
is,
if
they
so
chose
again,
it's
an
honorary
designation.
There
was
a
public
meeting
held
in
october.
2016,
to
which
all
property
owners
within
the
proposed
district
were
invited
and
many
attended,
elizabeth
probably
has
the
breakdown
of
how
many
attended
and
subsequently
there
was
no
written
objection
to
this
initiative.
K
Next
week,
the
county
will
be
receiving
written
notification
that
this
is
going
before
the
historic
sites
advisory
council.
This
notification
doesn't
go
to
private
property
owners,
it.
It
is
advertised
in
the
local
paper
and
so
in
that
month,
between
the
time
that
this
notification
goes
out
and
it
comes
before
this
board.
K
K
Approval
by
the
board,
then
that's
considered
by
the
board.
That's
never
happened
in
this
in
the
history
of
this
of
this
program,
because
again
it's
a
voluntary
program
that
allows
for
access
of
20
income
tax
credit,
which
is
really
beneficial
for
development.
In
the
district
in
the
proposed
district
right
now,
73
properties
are
being
considered,
are
cons
are
being
considered
within
this
district
61
are
contributing
and
12
are
non-contributing
and
one
property
is
the
county
building
that
we're
in
right.
K
Now,
as
I
understand
it,
there
was
some
question
as
to
whether
individual
property
owners,
including
the
county,
can
opt
out
of
inclusion
in
the
district
and,
as
I
understand
it,
there's
no
method
for
an
individual
property
owner
to
opt
out
again.
It
would
have
to
be
51
percent
of
property
owners
within
the
proposed
district
opposing
the
naming
of
the
district
which,
again
it
it's
not.
The
state
of
illinois
doesn't
do
this.
K
It's
sent
on
to
washington
dc
for
final
approval,
so
an
important
I
guess
point
to
make
is
in
terms
of
the
county
building
as
a
public
building.
K
There
are
no
additional
restrictions
on
placed
on
the
the
county
in
terms
of
if
the
county
were
interested
in
rehabilitating
the
building,
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
it
may
be
placed
on
a
historic
register,
any
physical
improvement,
physical
rehabilitation
of
the
building
is
already
subject
to
review
by
the
state
of
illinois,
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
it's
a
historic
property,
so
the
national
register
designation
place.
This
is
no
additional
there's,
no
additional
hoops
to
jump
through
once
the
designation
is
made.
K
K
Elizabeth
and
elizabeth
works
with
with
carlow
architects
and
has
been
kind
of
our
point
person
on
this
project.
D
F
K
G
You,
mr
chairman,
this
is
new
to
me
this
presentation,
so
I
hope
I
don't
ask
a
question.
Everybody's
asked.
I've
had
limited
experience
with
national
registers
and
historic
buildings
and
from
the
standpoint
of
development.
Sometimes
you
think
it's
not
worth
the
20
tax
credit
when
they
start
limiting
how
you
can
do
things
and
what
you
can
do
so.
My
question
is
this:
with
the
meeting
that
you
had
with
the
private
owners,
including
the
county,
I
guess
in
this
designated
area
what
percentage
of
those
owners
attended
that
meeting.
K
You
know
we
didn't
receive
any
formal
objection.
There
were
some
questions
about
to
property
owners
and
we
reiterated
because
that's
a
common
kind
of
misunderstanding
is
that
the
national
register
designation
places
some
sort
of
restriction
on
property
owners
and
it
only
places
restrictions
on
those
property
owners
that
seek
the
20
federal
tax
income
tax
credit
for
qualifying
rehabilitation
of
their
property,
so
places
no
additional
restrictions
on
property
owners
if
they
don't
seek
that
yeah
go
ahead.
Elizabeth
thank.
D
You
chairman,
there's
no
land.
Thank
you,
chairman.
There's,
no
designation
that
prohibits
people
from
tearing
down
buildings
as
a
preservationist.
I
don't
like
that
rule,
but
there
is
no
designation
that
would
prevent
demolition.
There's
no
designation,
that's
absolutely
going
to
prevent
somebody
from
putting
a
brand
new
facade
on
a
building.
D
The
designation
is
to
promote
the
use
of
the
tax
credits
if
the
property
owner
chooses
it's
to
promote
our
heritage
and
and
keep
the
vibrant
downtown
that
we
think
is,
has
historical
character
and
maintain
that
and
it's
to
provide
some
measure
of
protection
for
those
buildings.
But
there
is
no
designation.
That's
going
to
keep
anybody
from
tearing
down
this
building
or
any
other
building
it,
and
the
designation
is
mainly
concerned
with
the
facade.
So
any
interior
renovations
do
not
have
to
go
through
that
review
process.
H
For
those
of
us
who
can
remember
what
downtown
kent
key
looked
like,
this
is
kind
of
coming
kind
of
late,
because
many
of
the
buildings
that
were
here
are
gone.
H
I'm
not
in
objection
to
this
designation,
but
it's
it's
really
late.
H
You
know
on
the
holidays,
when
shopping
was
going
on
heavily,
you
had
people,
ten
abreast
on
the
sidewalks
walking
down
downtown
and
you
had
the
bond
building.
You
had
several
other
buildings
that
are
gone
now.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
is
most
of
these
buildings
require
either
facade
window
and
door
replacement
and
when
it
comes
to
window
replacement
in
particular,
it's
been
my
experience.
The
restrictions
are
so
restrictive
and
what
you
can
do
that,
even
if
the
20
tax
credit
isn't
a
big
deal,
but
I
can't
fix
my
building
because
the
windows
are
so
expensive.
I
have
to
maintain
historical
preservation.
K
K
It's
not
a
big
building.
It's
a
kind
of
a
standard
sized
commercial
building
they're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
pursue
the
tax
credits.
They
did
replace
the
windows
to
the
standards
of
you
know
the
ihpa,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards.
It's
not
you
know,
for
if
you're
going
to
do
a
quality
rehabilitation
of
the
building,
many
people
like
to
retain
the
historic
character
and
that's
really
the
peop.
That's
really
the
type
of
development.
This
particular
program
incentivizes.
D
I
would
just
add,
if,
if
you
don't
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
text
credit
you
can
put
whatever
kind
of
windows
you
want
in
the
building,
it
doesn't
restrict
the
only
time
that
you
have
to
meet
national
register.
Standards
for
preservation
is,
if
you're,
taking
full
advantage
of
the
maximum
tax
credit.
B
Got
a
question:
in
some
older
buildings
you
probably
have
have
poured
glass.
D
B
D
K
F
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
the
absence
of
the
county
chairman,
I
I
think
I
need
to
share
some
conversations
I
had
with
him.
I
know
that
he
had
some
reservations
about
the
whole
program
in
terms
of
county
buildings,
because
obviously
county
buildings
do
not
have
to
pay
property
tax,
and
so
he
was
not
clear
that
there'd
be
any
particular
advantages
to
the
county
per
se.
F
F
I
I
think
many
of
the
other
questions
that
have
been
responses
that
have
been
raised
here.
If
you
heard
them
and
if
I
understand
the
conversation
I
had
with
him
correctly,
the
information
here
would
remove
many
of
his
objections,
because
they
were
were
objections
along
the
lines
of
things
such
as.
If
20
years
from
now,
we
need
to
tear
down
this
building,
could
we
do
it
and
obviously
we
can
could
we
do
some
kind
of
remodeling
within
the
building?
F
Obviously
we
can
so
I'm
not
sure
where
his
position
would
be
at
this
point,
but
I
thought
that
was
important
for
the
committee
members
to
know
that
many
of
those
questions
arose
and
a
discussion
I
had,
and
it
sounds
like
most
of
the
items
that
he
had.
Some
questions
on
have
been
answered
in
a
favorable
way.
Okay,
thank.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
might
add
that
the
county
courthouse
has
been
on
the
national
register
individually
listed
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
know
that
there's
been
some
issues
with
ada,
but
ada
accessibility
is
going
to
be
an
issue
in
that
building,
regardless
of
whether
it's
on
the
national
register
or
not.
I
might
also
add
that,
under
the
state
707
review
policy,
which
is
the
historic
preservation
act
in
the
state
of
illinois
and
under
the
u.s
section
106
review,
which
is
the
federal
review
process
for
historic
preservation.
D
This
building
is
going
to
be
subject
to
a
707
106
review,
regardless
of
whether
it's
in
a
national,
historic
district
because
it's
eligible
because
it
meets
at
least
one
of
the
criteria
to
be
on
the
national
register.
It
will
come
under
106,
707
and
106
review,
regardless
of
whether
this
district
is
approved.
So
this
puts
zero
additional
limitations
on
this
building.
G
K
D
There's
also
numerous
studies
that
point
to
the
fact
that
historic
districts
maintain
a
higher
like
a
higher
retention
of
value
in
their
buildings
due
to
their
designation
and
a
higher
pride
in
the
community.
Our
arts
district
down
on
south
schuyler,
I
think,
is
a
perfect
example
of
people,
taking
advantage
of
a
historic
area
and
capitalizing
on
the
on
the
the
cultural
heritage
and
the
the
look
and
the
feel
of
those
those
places
and
preserving
those
places
and
and
using
them
as
toured
a
tourist
heritage.
Tourism
benefits
any.
B
G
Mr
kensington
one
more
question:
there's
vacant
spaces
available
in
this
designated
area
and
if
a
developer
wanted
to
build
a
new
building,
what
additional
hoops
does
he
have
to
jump
through
in
order
to
provide
that
space?
For
instance,
I'm
thinking
of
the
senior
citizen,
housing
on
east
avenue,
between
east
avenue
and
station
street
will
that
building
have
to
be
reviewed
by
the
historical
preservation
committee,
or
can
he
build
it
as
designed.
K
B
Information
only
no
motion
needed
okay
in
the
old
business.
Thank
you,
miss
wolverine,
any
new
business.