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A
Government
to
order
at
this
time
and
I'll,
ask
madam
secretary,
if
you
could
please
call
the
roll.
I
know
there
are
members
that
are
on
the
zoom
link
and
taking
part
in
the
meeting
that
way.
Please,
when
you
please,
when
you
go
through
the
roll,
let
us
know
whether
you're
in
your
frankfurt
office
or
in
your
district.
A
H
C
A
Here
in
the
room,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
are
duly
constituted
to
do
business
at
this
time,
since
we
do
have
some
new
members
on
the
committee
want
to
point
out
who
all
of
our
staff
members
are
for
the
new
members
of
the
committee.
We
have
our
committee
secretary,
cheryl,
walters
legislative
analyst,
joe
pancheski,
lee
and
csa
mark
mitchell,
and
we
also
had
a
retirement
right
after
session
and
prior
to
us
starting
the
interim
john
ryan.
We
want
to
wish
him
a
wonderful
retirement.
A
A
F
Construction
ready
we're
here
today
to
to
present
to
you
all
an
administrative
regulation
that
deals
with
virtual
inspections
for
our
plumbing
division.
The
the
regulation
really
comes
about
for
two
reasons:
number
one
you
know
with
covet
it.
It
sort
of
prompted
us
to
look
at
other
ways
that
we
can
be
in
and
out
of
people's
homes
and
the
most
safe
and
efficient
manner
possible
and
from
industry
who
had
been
asking
us
for
a
long
time.
Are
there
other
ways
that
we
can
that
we
can
inspect
plumbing
like
water,
heater
installations,
even
line
installations?
F
It
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
know
that
an
inspection
will
occur
timely.
You
know,
maybe
they
have
something
ready
at
the
end
of
the
day.
That
needs
to
be
done,
so
they
can
continue
working
the
next
day,
and
so
we
have
brought
this
inspection
on.
It
is
permissive,
we're
not
requiring
anyone
to
do
it
if
they
don't
want
to
a
contractor,
but
if
they
do,
then
we
will
actually,
you
know,
give
them
some
training
and
the
ability
to
know
exactly
what
the
requirements
are
and
how
they
are
expected
to
conduct
themselves.
F
E
Sure
this
is,
as
commissioner
rand
stated,
something
that
the
department's
been
working
on
for
quite
some
time,
we're
utilizing
the
division
of
plumbing
sort
of
as
a
a
pilot
program
to
make
sure
that
this
is
going
to
operate
in
an
efficient
and
safe
manner.
F
F
You
know
we're
doing
plumbing
first,
but
we
have
other
industry
partners
that
we
have
hvac,
that
that
are
looking
to
do
that.
It
just
allows
us,
I
think,
to
to
do
our
inspections
more
timely.
We
only
do
it
for
certain
things,
complicated
things.
Obviously
we
do
not,
but
but
I
think
the
colvid
probably
did
prompt
us
to
to
really
work
on
it
and
move
it
forward.
C
The
follow-up
is,
if
we're
doing
just
because
of
a
virus
plumbers
deal
with
things
like
e
coli,
which
are
in
into
bacteria
already
all
the
time.
So
that's
not
an
argument
if
you're
a
microbiologist
or
a
person
who
knows
how
to
keep
universal
precautions
and
most
plumbers
do
so.
What's
the
other
reason.
F
Well,
the
other
reason
is:
industry
has
really
prompted
us
to
do
it.
That
is
the
primary
reason
that
they
feel
that
they
can
be.
B
E
F
E
F
D
David
moore,
the
director
of
division
of
plumbing
and
acting
director
of
hvac.
Basically,
what
virtual
inspection
looks
like
is
using
resources
such
as
skype,
messenger.
We
can
do
phone
to
phone,
live
and
commute
and
constant
communication
with
that
contractor,
and
you
can
walk
through
the
entire
process:
water,
heater
installation,
for
example,
they're
in
existing
homes.
D
This
allows
us
to
means
to
be
less
invasive
to
somebody's
home,
because
the
contractor
can
show
up
install
the
water
heater.
He
can
call
us
up
as
soon
as
he's
done.
We
look
at
it
right
there.
Why
he's
there?
The
installation,
inspection
everything's,
completed
in
one
process,
there's
not
a
situation
where
the
homeowner
is
having
to
take
off
from
work
or
try
to
make
the
home
available.
So
an
inspector
can
get
back
in
and
make
that
type
of
inspection.
D
D
C
Hi,
thank
you
and
let's.
C
Regulation
came
through
the
committee
already,
so
I've
been
heavily
involved
in
this,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
cabinet
working
with
me
on
on
some
of
these
changes.
But
I
did
want
to
ask
a
clarification
question.
So
is
gps
required
to
be
turned
on,
so
we
can
ensure
that
the
fixture
or
the
unit
that
they
are
inspecting
is
actually
the
one
that
is
at
that
address.
That's
on
the
permit.
D
They're
going
to
have
to
prove
to
us
that
they're
at
the
current
address,
this
is
a
once.
They
turn
on
the
program
and
they
walk
up
to
the
address
they're
going
to
show
us
the
address
of
where
it's
at
and
walk
through
it
and
continue
on
time.
I
don't
know
that
if
it's
a
gps
driven
system
because
right
now,
we've
not
we've
not
dialed
it
down
to
one
explicit
system
that
everybody
has
to
use,
because
with
technology
today
everybody
uses
something
different
or
either
you
messed
your
skype.
D
You
know
I
found
out
with
these
different
plants
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
depend
on
how
good
of
a
connection
they've
got.
You
know
a
lot
of
there's
so
many
variables
that's
going
to
depend
and
and
basically
going
to
boil
back
down
to
the
inspector
as
well.
If
they
send
it
into
the
inspector
and
inspector
doesn't
feel
comfortable
that
the
quality
that
he's
been
given
is
enough
for
him
to
make
a
qualified
inspection.
Then
he's
always
got
that
opportunity
to
say
no.
D
I
can't
do
it
this
way
I'll,
be
to
see
you
we'll
do
this
as
a
live
inspection.
So
you
know
this:
I'm
leaving
it
on
the
inspector
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
and
say
yes,
I
can
either
do
it
this
way
or
no,
this
one's
not
got
enough.
I
can't
see
well
enough
or
what,
for
whatever
reason,
I'll
just
come
straight
on
out
there
and
do
it.
D
But
what
this
does
is
like
I
said
for
water,
heater
inspections
for
water
sewers,
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
instead
of
an
inspector
driving
60
miles
to
do
one
sewer
line,
inspection
that
may
be
10
foot
long.
He
would
be
able
to
walk
through
this,
and
do
this
pretty
simply
it's
it's.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot.
C
Can
you
we
get
a
little
better
handle
on
what
type
of
thing
would
be
subject
to
a
virtual
inspection,
because
I'm
listening
to
this
thinking,
I
mean
low
resolution
cameras.
You
know
video
is
very,
very
low
resolution
anyway,
particularly
through
zoom
zooming
things,
but
you
know.
D
No,
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
nothing
that
we're
going
that
I
say
is
trying
to
do
at
this
point
is
trying
to
delegitimize
the
necessity
for
the
inspection
and
that's
why
I
put
it
back
on
the
inspector
to
look
at
this
if
they
submit
it
to
him
and
there's
any
question
to
what
he's
seeing
or
it's
not
complete
clarity
to
what
he's
seeing
he
does
not
have
to
take
this.
This
is
an
option.
D
That's
something
that
very
easily
can
be
done,
but
as
far
as
doing
a
final
going
out
and
doing
a
hospital
or
a
school
or
something
to
that
degree,
no,
that's
not
going
to
be
done,
but
when
you
say
you
take
out,
when
you
put
in
language
to
try
to
take
out
all
finals,
then
you
take
out
the
real
small
projects
that
are
very
well
capable
of
being
done.
That
way,
trying
to
limit
it
for
openings.
D
D
Like
I
said,
we've
been
doing
virtual
inspections
for
several
years.
This
is
not
our
first
issue
with
it.
This
is
just
basically
what
this
does
is
we're
requiring
training
for
the
contracts
in
order
to
show
them
exactly
what
we
expect
them
to
submit
us
when
they're
submitting
so
they'll
have
a
good
idea
whether
they
can
do
it
as
a
virtual
inspection
or
not.
C
D
Was
that
added
to
it
on
new
construction
on
new
construction?
Yes,
what
I'm
talking
about
it
miss
frazier?
Is
these
editions
on
where
you're
just
adding
one
shampoo
bowl
on
and
stuff?
If
you
take
it
out
totally,
then
you
won't
be
able
to
do
them
and
we
do
a
lot
of
those
type
of
inspections.
A
F
A
G
G
Fire
protection
districts
took
a
financial
hit
on
many
fronts
over
the
past
16
months
related
to
the
pandemic
itself.
Coronavirus
funding
programs
in
the
past
did
not
cover
specifically
chapter
75
fire
protection
districts
throughout
the
commonwealth.
Most
chapter
75
districts
in
kentucky
did
not
receive
any
cares.
Money
at
all
and
other
funds
did
not
were
not
defined.
As
funding
for
chapter
75
districts,
districts
across
the
state
had
increased
ppe
costs
due
to
the
shortage
of
supplies
and
the
increase
of
cost,
especially
those
fire
districts
that
operate
ambulances,
obviously,
in
jefferson
county.
G
These
losses
included
on
top
of
this
was
the
pva's
decision
to
delay
reassessments
last
year,
which
is
what
our
property
taxes
are
based
on
in
our
revenue,
including
also
freezing
all
business
increases
for
this
current
year.
That's
the
main
source
of
revenue
for
all
chapter
75
districts
is
property.
Tax
districts
who
operate
ambulances
also
took
heavy
increased
costs
from
ppe,
but
also
we
assisted
local
government
and
state
government
in
covid
testing
sites,
vaccine
centers,
with
no
recovery
of
funding
for
those
time
and
services
rendered.
G
The
concern
that
we
have
is
the
fire
protection
districts
appear
to
be
specifically
eligible
for
the
american
rescue
plan
act
funds,
but
we
need
lawmakers
to
enact
that
chapter.
75
districts
continue
to
operate
in
our
communities
throughout
the
pandemic
without
delay,
and
now
we
ask
you
to
help
us
recover
some
of
the
losses
that
we
incurred
to
help
our
communities
throughout
the
state.
We
want
to
avoid
any
increase
of
taxes
to
our
residents,
which
I'm
aware
some
districts
are
considering
if
they're,
not
at
the
cap
that
has
already
been
set
and
established.
G
G
Also,
the
premium
pay
for
eligible
employees
is
only
for
employees
designated
by
the
governor
and
those
to
maintain
the
continuity
of
operations
essential
to
critical
infrastructure.
It's
my
belief
that
our
first
responders
were
as
essential
as
anyone
during
the
past
year
and
our
work
never
stopped
or
delayed
when
called
upon.
A
A
M
J
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
funds
that
our
local
governments
received.
We
have
a
whole
lot
to
talk
about,
but
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
Do
it
in
the
time
limit
three
or
four
major
points
that
I
think
you
want
to
take
away
from
your
understanding
of
the
act.
J
One
we're
extremely
grateful
that
the
federal
government
decided
to
do
a
one-time
appropriation
for
all
19
000
cities,
towns,
villages,
boroughs
throughout
the
entire
country,
along
with
every
every
county
we
haven't
seen
anything
like
that
before,
and
that
that
will
help
our
cities
and
counties.
But
the
second
major
point
I
think
we
want
to
make
is
that
this
is
not
a
panacea.
J
This
is
not.
This
doesn't
fix
lingering
policy
issues.
These
are
one-time
funds
that
won't
be
reoccurring
and
that
issue
that
issue
will
will
keep
coming
up.
I
think,
as
we
go
along
when
we
talk
about
how
this
money
can
be
spent
with
the
constraints
that
the
federal
government
and
the
u.s
department
of
treasury
has
put
on
cities
and
counties
in
the
expenditure
of
the
funds,
this
is
a
lot
different
than
the
cares
act.
Funding
that
was
a
reimbursement
basis
type
of
program.
J
This
is
an
appropriation
we're
not
in
a
rush
here
to
meet
a
looming
deadline.
When
we
were
trying
to
get
cares
funding,
we
had
to
make
application
by
by
december
31st
or
december
30th
2020
that
ended
up
being
extended,
and
so
there
was
a
there
was
a
rush
and
local
officials
were
rushed
to
to
to
try
to
get
their
reimbursements
in
and
expenses
in,
so
they
could
get
the
reimbursement.
J
With
this
act
we
have
until
december
31st
2024
to
spend
or
obligate
if
we
obligate
it
prior
to
december
31st
2024
this
funding,
we
have
until
2020
into
2026
to
make
the
expenditures.
So
this
can
be
a
very,
and
this
should
be
a
very
deliberative
process
with
the
local
governments
on
how
they
spend
their
allocation.
They
have
time
to
engage
their
constituency.
J
J
I
guess
I
will
speak
for
you,
klc
caico,
the
ad
districts,
the
department
for
local
government
and
those
that
advise
and
counsel
our
cities
and
counties
to
take
their
time,
because
this
is
going
to
be
an
evolving
process.
We
have
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
from
the
united
states
department
of
treasury,
they're
updating
their
faqs,
their
interim
final
rule
as
we
go
along.
So
this
will
be
a
training
process
that
will
have
to
continue.
J
To
that
extent,
we've
all
created
web
resource
links
for
local
officials,
so
they
can
see,
updated
information,
add
districts
and
others
are
are
putting
on
training
sessions.
So
local
officials
can
understand
all
these
constraints
and
then
I'll
do
this.
Do
this
powerpoint,
but
those
are
the
those
are
the
three
major.
K
J
That's
got
it.
I
got
it
sorry
about
that.
For
city
governments
in
particular,
ours
is
going
to
look
a
little
different
than
what
jim's
going
to
explain
with
with
county
governments.
We
have
nine
cities
in
kentucky
that
qualify
as
metropolitan
cities
or
entitlement
communities
that
generally
get
their
cdbg
appropriations
directly
from
from
the
federal
government,
nine
of
those
in
kentucky
and
and
those
include
the
obvious
lexington
louisville,
but
elizabethtown
owensboro
bowling
green
henderson
are
all
on
that
are
all
on
that
list
of
get
in
hopkinsville.
J
Representative
walker
are
all
on
that
on
that
list
of
getting
direct
appropriations
from
the
united
states
department
of
treasury,
much
like
the
county
governments
and
I'll.
Let
jim
explain
that
group.
Then
we
have
another
subset
400
about
405
cities
in
kentucky
are
non-entitlement
cities
and
that
money
is
going
to
flow
through
the
department
for
local
government.
It's
it's
again
different
than
the
cares
act
where,
where
we
had
to
make
reimbursement
requests,
it's
it's
functioning
more.
J
I
think
dlg
would
agree
to
call
it
more
of
a
flow-through
basis
and
that's
what
congress
directed
the
states
to
do.
I
think
the
governor's
designated
the
department
for
local
government
to
flow
that
money
through
they
have
some
administrative
responsibilities
in
doing
that
they
have
to
ensure
the
city's
allotment
of
these
405
cities
is
not
greater
than
75
percent
of
its
previous
budget.
That's
probably
going
to
hit
10
to
15
cities
where
they
got
an
allotment
bigger
than
75
percent
of
their
budget.
J
That's
the
amount
of
money
we're
talking
about,
so
they
got
to
certify
that
they
got
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
with
the
executed
agreements,
title
vi,
compliance
and
other
documents.
So
that's
in
process
and
I'll
commend
the
department
for
local
government
billy,
johnson,
matt
stevens
and
their
staff
over
there
have
done
an
excellent
job
of
communicating
with
the
405
other
cities.
Besides
those
entitlement
communities
and
getting
that
out.
J
If
you
look
at
the
total
awards,
607
to
the
to
the
big
cities
to
the
entitlement
community,
607
million
324
million
available
for
the
405
non-entitlement
cities
in
your
packet,
I
believe
you
have
an
estimate
and
breakdown
of
what
every
city
in
kentucky
will
receive
under
this
agreement.
Now
the
non-entitlement
communities
are
population
based,
whereas
the
entitlement
communities
was
based
on
the
formula
related
to
cdbg
that
takes
in
into
account
income
in
the
in
other
factors
besides
population.
So
a
lot
of
people
look
at
that
list
immediately
when
we
send
out
the
estimates.
J
The
folks
from
owensboro
representative
johnson,
called
and
said
how
in
the
world
is
covington
getting
twice
as
much
money
as
owensboro
and
those
in
that
entitlement
formula
with
cdbg
is
not
purely
based
on
on
population,
so
that
explains
some
of
those
discrepancies,
six
major
areas
of
utilization
and
again,
let
me
emphasize
this-
is
ongoing
process
where
we
get
more
guidance
from
treasury
and
I
think
the
longer
community's
weight,
the
the
more
the
more
precise
that
guidance
will
be
from
treasury.
I
know
earphones
are
blowing
up.
J
I
think
caico
can
testify
to
that
as
well,
that
that
we're
getting
calls
can
we
do
it
to
buy
the
backhoe
to
dig
the
sewer
line?
Can
we
can
we
use
it
for
this
for
this
or
that
purpose,
and
until
the
guidance
gets
a
little
more
substantive,
a
little
more
meat
on
the
bones?
I
think
you're
gonna
see
a
real,
cautious
approach
to
the
expenditure
of
these
funds.
They
don't
want
to
mess
around
with
having
the
federal
government
claw
back
any
of
these
funds.
So
more
particular
guidance
is
needed.
J
Just
briefly
on
these
six
major
categories.
Supporting
the
public
health
response
is
the
is
the
first
category
designated
for
the
expenditure
of
the
funds
and
that
can
be
used.
It's
it
looks
more
similar
to
what
the
cares
act
did
on
any
broad
range
of
public
health
needs.
That
includes
medical
expenses
on
both
medical
and
behavioral
health,
including
substance
misuse
payroll
for
essential
workers.
J
So
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
a
highly
utilized
area,
but
vaccine
public
relations,
public
communications
effort
tracing
also
one
we're
getting
a
lot
of
questions
on
under
this
category
is
capital
investments
and
public
facilities
to
meet
pandemic,
operational
needs
and
ventilation
improvements,
so
that
one
that
that's
probably
going
to
be
the
most
utilized
area
rather
than
pay
than
than
seeing
the
payroll
like
you
did
under
the
cares
act.
Second,
broad
category
was
addressing
the
negative
economic
impacts
of
the
health
emergency.
J
Can
we
give
a
local
local
stimulus
check
and
the
answer
under
the
guidance
is
yes
as
long
as
it's
in
proportion
to
the
harm
experience
with
with
pandemics
with
the
pandemic,
the
guidance
spends
quite
a
bit
of
time
talking
about
the
elling
businesses
that
are
involved
in
tourism
and
hospitality,
rehiring
public
staff
to
their
pre-pandemic
levels,
completion
of
any
planned
expansion
of
tourism
projects
that
were
delayed
due
to
the
pandemic
all
fall
under
under
that
category.
Broadly,
then,
the
third
area
is
targeting
low-income
communities.
J
If,
if
a
population
or
geographic
area
has
been
disproportionately
impacted
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
they
can
do
community
health,
homelessness,
assistance,
affordable
housing,
early
learning,
child
care,
investments
in
those
disproportionately
impacted
communities,
and
then
fourth
category
would
be
the
recoupment
of
lost
revenue.
J
This
sounds
really
good
that
if
we,
if
a
city
or
county
lost
a
bunch
of
money
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
then
we'd
be
able
to
to
capture
that
revenue
and
plow
it
back
into
the
the
general
fund
and
spend
it.
Treasury's
guidance
has
made
this
this
process
a
little
a
little
complicated
and
there
are
some
some
issues
with
that.
You
have
to
calculate
at
four
points
in
time.
What
your
losses
of
revenue
are.
J
You
can
assume
a
growth
rate
of
4.1
percent,
which
is
going
to
be
good
for
some
kentucky
cities
and
counties
using
the
national
average
or
the
greater
if
it's
greater.
Looking
at
the
the
the
growth
in
the
budget
from
fiscal
year,
17
18
and
19
the
three
years
immediately
preceding
the
pandemic
and
use
that
as
your
multiplier
factor.
J
If
that
mathematical
formula
shows
that
there's
a
drop
or
decline
in
revenue,
there's
an
assumption
that
anything
less
was
pandemic
related,
they
can
capture
that
revenue
and
put
that
directly
into
any
governmental
service.
It
is
the
least
restrictive
mechanism
for
for
collecting
that
revenue
and
spending
spending
these
funds,
but
it
has
some
has
some
shortfalls.
If
a
city
or
county
raised
their
taxes
during
the
pandemic
or
exhausted
their
surplus
funds,
this
money
can't
it
won't
account
for
the
tax
increase.
J
It
won't
account
for
any
depletion
of
rainy
day
funds
as
a
as
a
result
of
that,
the
fifth
major
category
premium
pay
for
essential
workers.
This
is
one
area
where
the
treasury
has
encouraged
a
retroactive.
J
J
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
get
a
lot
of
additional
guidance
on
that
to
get
some
comfort
level,
at
least
with
city
leaders,
that
I've
talked
to
to
this
point
about
using
it
there
and
then
the
sixth
major
category
really
doesn't
touch
on
on
related
to
the
pandemic
as
much
as
the
first
five
do,
and
that
is
to
make
direct
investments
in
sewer
water
and
broadband
broadband
infrastructure
and
those
are
pretty
broad
for
for
water.
J
It
allows
for
use
of
projects
pandemic
related
or
not
anything
consistent
with
the
water,
the
federal
drinking
water
state
revolving
fund
for
sewer,
the
federal
clean
water
state
recovery
revolving
fund,
which
includes
the
construction
treatment,
transmission,
distribution
for
sewer.
It
allows
storm
water,
storm
water
work
and
then
for
broadband.
J
It
it
encourages
the
use
of
these
local
funds
to
extend
out
to
unserved
or
underserved
areas
in
the
in
the
community
as
well
and
there's
some
limitations
on
that,
and
I
won't.
I
won't
take
up
budget
director's
discussion
on
the
use
of
what
you
all
did
as
a
general
assembly.
It
is
very
clear,
under
this
act
that
you
cannot
use
these
funds.
J
The
city
or
county
cannot
use
these
funds
to
shore
up
any
unfunded
liability
in
a
pension
plan
that
does
not
a
lot
of
local
governments
have
legacy
pension
plans,
but
that
does
not
forbid
them
from
using
normal
employer
contributions
for
payroll.
If
they
do
any
of
these,
these
payroll
extensions
or
premium
pay
as
well.
You
can't
pay
off
outstanding
debt
that
existed,
pre
pre-pandemic,
that's
that's
forbidden,
use
explicitly
under
the
act.
You
can't
settle
that
pesky
lawsuit
to
do
legal
settlements
or
pay
any
judgments
on
a
on
a
lawsuit.
J
You
can't
use
it
for
financing
expenses
for
the
incurrence
of
new
debt
or
to
replenish
a
depleted
rainy
day
fund,
and
then
the
money
cannot
be
used.
Cities
and
counties
won't
be
able
to
use
the
money
for
matching
any
non-federal
match
requirements
and
that's
going
to
work
differently
with,
with
with
the
the
money
that
you
all
appropriated
and
budget
director
hicks,
I
believe,
will
cover
that.
J
That's
not
considered
a
federal
grant
program,
so
this
money
could
be
used
in
conjunction
with
the
money
that
you
all
appropriated
last
session
before
you
all
adjourned
and
the
the
challenges
related
to
these
things
that
we're
waiting
on
the
formula
looks
at
only
general
revenues.
It
doesn't.
It
includes
all
taxes,
rental
concessions,
fees,
things
of
that
nature,
but
it
doesn't
look
at
lost
utility
fees.
So
we
can't
calculate
that
in
lost
revenue,
and
that
was
a
big
deal
for
us.
J
We're
making
these
points
during
this
opening
period,
with
the
department
of
treasury
through
our
national
associations
as
well,
but
we're
directly
doing
that
for
kentucky
cities
to
say
here's
how
this
is
working
and
impacting
us
there
and
some
other
issues
are
the
utility
thing
that
we
we
pointed
out
before
this
isn't
going
to
be
able
to
pave
roads
or
streets.
Unless
you
capture
some
of
that
lost
revenue,
it
doesn't
address
that
transportation.
J
J
J
So
we
can
determine
how
we're
going
to
have
to
report,
because
everything
in
this
act
tells
you
you
have
to
show
how
you
were.
There
was
a
disproportionate
impact,
how
it
was
tied
to
covid,
so
how
we're
going
to
prove
many
of
these
things
in
our
federal
reporting.
Our
reporting
goes
directly
back
to
the
department
of
treasury
we're
waiting
on
those.
So
it
leaves
a
lot
a
lot
of
open
questions.
Going
forward,
38
comments,
questions
treasury
asked
in
its
proposed
rule
that
they
asked
cities
and
counties
to
answer.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
questions
that
haven't
haven't
been
answered,
so
I
think
over
the
course
of
the
next
three
and
a
half
years,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say,
which
is
our
deadline
for
at
least
obligating.
These
funds
there's
going
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
educational
effort
and
a
whole
lot
of
change
from
what
we
know
today,
based
on
the
on
the
treasury
guidance.
With
that,
I
will
I'll
turn
this
power
point
off
and
yield
to
jim.
M
Henderson,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman,
what
he
said
I
I
saw
jd's
slide
last
week
and
I
knew
that
he
would
cover
the
the
base
basics
of
the
details
and
so
they're
they're
pretty
much
the
same
for
cities
and
counties
with
regard
to
eligibility
uses,
etc.
I
do
want
to
introduce
quickly
a
couple
folks
on
my
team
that
are
here
who
are
more
of
the
experts
in
house
at
caico.
You
all
know
shelly
hampton
our
director
of
government
affairs
who's
here
to
answer
questions
if
needed,
and
then
jennifer
burnett.
M
Some
of
you
may
not
know
jennifer
as
well.
She's
our
director
of
policy,
research
and
communications,
I've
kind
of
tasked
jennifer
as
being
our
caico
expert
on
on
all
things
arpa
and
she
and
our
legal
team
are
kind
of
working
through
all
the
details.
To
be
the
the
point.
Folks,
for
this
judge,
gary
moore
was
supposed
to
be
able
to
join
us
today.
M
As
many
of
you
all
know,
boone
county
judge
moore
is
president
of
the
national
association
of
counties
and
he's
actually
on
the
podium,
probably
on
on
the
podium
at
the
podium
right
now,
speaking
at
the
mississippi
association
of
counties
meeting
and
was
sitting
with
the
lieutenant
governor
at
the
same
time
that
we
were
having
this
hearing
today,
so
I
don't
think
he's
going
to
be
able
to
join
us.
M
M
M
The
cares
act
as
jd
mentioned
that
came
out
last
year,
was
absolutely
an
immediate
reaction,
an
actual
relief
act
that
was
passed
bipartisan
support
in
the
congress,
as
you
all
know,
and
and
a
quick
reaction
to
to
covet,
and
there
there
were
a
lot
of
details
that
weren't
in
the
federal
legislation.
The
intention
of
that
law
was
to
have
a
lot
of
that
money,
trickled
down
to
local
governments.
M
Unfortunately,
that
wasn't
written
in
specifically
only
counties
or
communities
over
500
000
actually
got
direct
allocations
out
of
cares,
act
and
so
in
in
kentucky
only
jefferson
county
got
a
direct
allocation.
We
were
very
fortunate
jd
and
I
immediately
went
to
work
after
that.
M
Bill
passed
working
with
the
governor's
office
here
and
kentucky
was
very
fortunate,
and
then
our
governor
did
make
a
decision
to
allocate
300
million
dollars
of
cares,
act,
funds
directly
to
cities
and
counties
last
year,
and
we
had
a
a
a
lot
of
counties
and
cities
use
all
of
those
funds
all
the
way
through
the
end
of
the
year
and
even
into
the
first
three
months
of
this
year,
working
with
dlg.
So
we
were
fortunate
in
kentucky
in
a
lot
of
other
states.
However,
the
the
federal
funds
never
made
it
down
to
local
governments.
M
M
65
billion
dollars
was
set
aside
for
counties,
65
billion
dollars
set
aside
for
cities
in
the
federal
package,
and
I
like
to
quote
judge
moore
and
most
of
you
in
this
room
will
agree
with
his
sentiments.
You
know
I
don't
know
anybody
was
crazy
about
the
idea
of
growing
the
national
debt
by
another
two
trillion
dollars
and
and
most
local
governments.
I
think,
would
agree
with
that.
His
position
on
behalf
of
counties
across
the
country
was
that
the
congress
was
going
to
pass
two
trillion
dollars.
M
The
president
was
committed
to
a
near
two
trillion
dollar
package.
Our
organization's
roles
nationally
was
to
make
sure
as
much
of
those
dollars
as
could
be
find
them
their
way
down
to
counties
and
cities,
and
so
judge
moore
worked
on
behalf
of
counties
to
make
sure
that
we
got
a
a
portion
of
those
funds,
so
65
billion
nationally
in
kentucky
868
million
dollars
in
direct
allocation
to
kentucky's
120
counties,
and
so
those
funds
again
are
coming
directly
from
u.s
treasury.
M
All
of
this
information
is:
we've
been
driving
all
of
our
county
folks
to
our
website.
Caaco.Org
k-a-c-o-dot,
it's
very
easy.
All
the
information.
That's
there.
It
shows
the
breakdown
of
the
allocations
for
counties.
It
shows
the
150
pages
of
u.s
treasury
guidance.
That's
been
given
the
summary
given
by
naco
on
behalf
of
our
members,
a
list
of
frequently
asked
questions,
and
we
continue
to
update
that
regularly.
I
was
telling
dlg
staff
person
billy
renee
johnson.
Earlier
you
know.
M
The
beauty
in
getting
these
funds
directly
to
counties
also
has
a
little
bit
of
a
disadvantage
in
that
there
is
no
state
agency
per
se.
To
call
and
ask
can
I
do
this?
Can
I
do
that?
This
entirely
rests
within
the
purview
of
the
counties
to
decide
how
the
projects
fit
within
the
federal
guidance
we're
trying
to
be
a
resource
at
caico,
but
we're
very
careful
not
to
say
you
can
do
this.
You
can't
do
that.
M
We
sure
don't
want
to
have
that
be
the
the
reason
somebody
does
something
and
it'd
be
wrong,
so
we
have
certainly
encouraged
caution
and
patience
and
and,
as
jd
said
earlier,
be
very
deliberative
about
the
use
of
these
funds
again
for
us,
we're
encouraging
a
lot
of
our
folks
to
just
wait
and
see,
as
the
hope
is,
that
treasury
may
loosen
up
a
little
bit
of
the
guidance
as
time
goes
on
the
big
thing
for
counties.
M
Are
broadband
water
and
sewer
it's
pretty
clear
that
those
are
eligible
things
that
you
can
use
these
funds
for,
as
jd
said,
these
are
one-time
dollars.
These
are
investment
dollars.
They
can't
backfill
holes
in
your
budget.
They
can't
deal
with
systemic
issues
on
funding
for
jails
or
transportation
or
anything
else.
These
are
one-time
dollars,
and
so
I
personally
am
encouraging
my
fellow
county
officials
no
longer
can
I
say,
fellow
county
officials,
county
officials
to
to
think
about
investing
these
funds.
I
know
leader
thayer
that
scott
county
judge
covington.
M
You
know
they've
been
having
a
a
very
serious
conversation
about
broadband
expansion
in
their
community
for
a
while.
This
would
be
an
opportunity
to
leverage
some
of
these
dollars
for
things
like
that
different
from
counties
and
cities
or
different
from
cities.
Not
many
counties
are
directly
involved
in
the
water
in
the
utility
business
in
counties,
it's
usually
a
water
district.
A
rural
water
district,
sometimes
multiple
water
districts
that
are
actually
the
ones
who
are
running
water
lines
out
in
the
county
same
for
sewer
sanitation.
A
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First
and
I'll
start
with
you,
jim
just
and
we
didn't
ask
for
this
specifically,
but
I'm
sure
jennifer
has
it.
Could
we
get
a
listing
county
by
county
of
the
first
run,
funds
and
the
second
run
funds
and
a
grand
total
per
county
sent
out
to
the
members
of
the
committee
so
that
everybody
knows
what
what
allotment
their
counties
will
be
receiving
like
we
got
for
the
cities.
A
A
M
I'm
not
sure
that
there
are
answers
to
those
questions,
yet
we
actually
were
talking
earlier
billy
johnson
and
I
about
the
different
rules
with
cares
act
because
those
were
not
federally
outlined
as
to
what
you
can
or
can't
do
we
could
actually
share.
There
was
some
conversation
between
cities
and
counties
about
sharing.
Perhaps
you
could
have
shared
them
with
other
political
subdivisions
within
the
county.
M
It's
not,
I
don't
think
clear.
Yet
whether
or
not
a
county
could
actually
give
those
funds
to
something
like
a
water
district
or
whether
they
would
have
to
build
and
own
those
are
parts
of
the
questions
that
we
continue
to
ask.
So
it.
J
Goes
it
goes
to
the
fire
chief's
testimony
about
about
being
able
to
access
funds,
at
least
through
the
local
government.
Of
course,
the
state
has
its
own
allocation,
but
it
without
without
a
lot
of
meat.
On
the
bones
again.
With
that
guidance,
there
is
a
general
authorization
to
transfer
these
funds
to
special
units
of
government,
which
would
which
would
likely
include
utility
utility
commissions,
special
district,
special
fire
districts.
However,
the
language
in
there
says
that
the
city
or
county,
it's
treated
like
a
grant.
J
It's
a
sub-recipient
on
grant
remains,
remains
obligated
to
do
the
reporting
so
again
we're
going
to
have
to
get
some
additional
guidance
from
treasury,
but
at
least
that
that
possibility
is
that
fair
to
say
that
possibility
is
there
for
collaboration
with
those
special
units
of
government.
A
It
appears
to
me
that
if
anything
happens,
they're
going
to
have
to
ask
the
county
or
cities
that
they
serve
for
a
piece
of
that
allotment
if
they
they
may
be
an
eligible
recipient
through
that
that's
going
to
have
to
be
going
to
the
fiscal
court
going
to
the
city
commission
city
council
to
ask
for
a
piece
of
that
allotment
somehow
or
another,
and
that's
correct.
I
think
according.
C
And,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
this
is
for
jd
and
first
I'll
say
thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
this
presentation.
It's
very
informative.
Jd
you
mentioned.
Did
you
touch
briefly
on
the
way
that
some
of
the
funds
can
be
used?
You
mentioned
tourism
projects.
Can
you
just
expand
that
a
little
bit?
What
what's?
What
does
that
involve?
Is
it
reimbursement
for
lost
revenues,
or
is
it
projects
that
were
being
done
and
stopped
or
where
are
we
on
that?.
J
I
sure
do
wish
I
could
I
wish
the
guy
is
more
particular.
I
think
what
we
know
from
the
guidance
representative
johnson
is
that
it
says
if
you've
had
had
a
planned
expansion,
say
a
say,
a
bluegrass
museum,
my
mic's
off
sorry
about
that
a
bluegrass
museum
or
something
like
that
that
was
going
to
be
built
or
expanded.
I
know
you
all
are
further
along
than
that
on
your
on
your
museum,
but
it
was
stopped
due
to
the
pandemic.
J
J
J
When
you're,
looking
at
when
you're
looking
at
lost
revenue,
you
have
to
measure
across
the
entire
entity,
so
you
can't
say:
okay,
a
city
government
here
made
500
000
a
year
from
renting
its
convention
center.
It
only
made
100.
You
got
to
look
at
the
income
across
the
entire
city
or
county
government,
or
in
this
case
hypothetically
it
would
be
the
tourism
commission
that
you
you
were
asking
about.
So
you
can't
look
at
specific
line
items
you
got
to
measure
revenue
across
and
again
I'll,
keep
pointing
out.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
jd.
I
want
to
tell
what
you
just
said
in
terms
of
looking
things
in
totality
and
jim.
If
you
can
chime
in
as
as
well,
you
know
in
business.
You
know
you
go
through
situations
of
loss
of
revenue,
loss
of
employees,
impacting
your
product
impediments
on
your
service
and
so
forth.
So
as
somebody
who
would
run
a
business
or
in
management
of
business,
you
have
to
go
through
and
assess
where
you
are
and
what's
going
on
and
say.
First
of
all,
is
this
necessary?
H
What
is
your
impression,
or
what
do
you
have
heard
some
of
these
mayors
and
county
judges
gone
through
and
make
those
type
of
assessments?
Let's
figure
out
what
is
necessary
to
get
us
down
to
more
of
a?
H
J
Yeah
I'll
just
start
out
by
saying
you
know
we
we
were
cutting
when
cutting
wasn't
cool
back
in
back
before
most
people.
Besides
the
the
former
senate
president
and
and
the
current
majority
floor,
leader
were
talking
about
the
pension,
the
pension
issues
we
were
dealing
with
those
escalating
pensions.
So
so
it's
been,
I
think,
a
fair
process
and
jim
will
tell
you
that,
for
the
counties
too,
for
the
jail
expenses
that
it's
an
every
year
process
for
us
constitutionally.
J
J
But
there
was
a
real,
intense
examination
representative
fleming
when
the
pandemic
started,
because
most
of
them
were
going
through
their
their
their
their
fiscal
year,
21
budget
and
most
of
them
anticipated
up
to
a
20
or
30
decrease
in
revenues
based
on
what
economists
were
telling
us,
and
so,
as
they
were,
constructing
their
budgets
with,
though,
with
that
amount
of
decrease,
there
really
was
an
examination.
There
was
some
a
lot
of
attrition.
I
didn't.
J
We
didn't
see
in
cities
a
ton
of
layoffs
of
personnel,
most
of
the
delivery
of
those
services
come
through
personnel,
but
we
did
see
a
lot
of
attrition
with
with
retirements
they're
gonna
have
to
engage
in
that
process
too.
If
they
really
treat
this
even
more
deliberatively
again
in
looking
at
this
money
so
that
they
that
they
don't
try
to
utilize
one-time
monies
for
ongoing
operational
expenses,
where
you
don't
have
a
system
of
revenue
to
continue
to
continue
to
pay
for
that.
But.
H
I
think
that's
an
ongoing
process,
just
sure.
That's
my
next
question.
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
that.
So
what
assurances
are
they
going
to
go?
Go
through
and
making
sure
that
this,
this
one-time
money
won't
incur
significant,
ongoing
maintenance
costs?
Because
if
you
do
that,
obviously
it
can
lead
to
other
things
and
and
look
at
tax
increases
and
those
sorts
of
things.
J
That's
an
excellent
point
and,
and
the
guidance
does
not
the
the
u.s
treasury
guidance
does
not
address
that.
So
what
what
I
think
the
the
role
that,
because
it's,
the
city
or
county,
that's
directly
accountable
back
to
treasury
as
opposed
to
any
other
oversight
body
you're,
going
to
see
a
more
intensive
training
effort
from
the
ad
districts.
The
league,
caco
and
others
want
to
have
great
faith
in
the
competency
of
local
local
officials
to
engage
in
that
analysis,
but
you're
going
to
continue
to
see
training
on
that.
H
H
M
I
would
assume
that
that,
in
the
course
of
training
about
the
uses
of
the
funds
that
we'll
talk
about
those
things,
but
I
think
to
highlight
jd's
point-
I
mean
quite
honestly,
those
are
local
decisions
and-
and
we
tend
to
trust
the
local
elected
officials,
counties
and
county
judges.
Mayors
to
to
be
thoughtful
about
that.
You
know
those
those
folks
are
elected
by
the
same
folks
that
elect
everybody
here
in
this
room,
and-
and
so
we
tend
to
trust
the
local
control
issue.
M
On
that
first,
I
mean
if
a
county,
official
or
city
official
was
not
prudent
enough
to
make
a
decision
with
regard
to
the
long-term
impacts
on
their
budgets.
With
these
funds
they
probably
would
not
have
been
that
prudent
prior
to
code
relief
funds
or
after
so
it's
tough
to
make
sure
that
we
could
we
don't.
Our
role
is
not
to
be
overly
parochial
at
our
association
level
to
tell
a
county
what
they
should
or
shouldn't
do,
but,
but
I
think
most
of
our
county
officials
are
very
cognizant
of
the
long-term
implications.
M
Again
broadband
water
sewer.
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
that,
when
you're
talking
about
spending
this
money
on
infrastructure,
you've
got
to
be
having
a
conversation
about.
What's
it
going
to
cost
to
maintain
this
system,
what's
it
going
to
cost
to
operate
this
system,
and
so
I
would
hope
those
conversations
happen
simultaneously.
K
Co-Chair
meals.
Gentlemen,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
just
want
to
compliment
you
on
the
kind
of
the
patient
walk
through
this
with
your
clientele
with
counties
and
cities.
I
think
it's
really
prudent
that
we
set
back
and
we
make
sure
we
spend
this
money
properly
and
that
the
county
officials,
the
city
officials,
understand
exactly
where
that
money's
being
spent-
and
I
think
probably
the
majority
of
us
up
here
are
going
to
say
we
want
those
in
you
know
rubber
meets
the
road
government
services
and
long-term
long-term
things
like
water
and
sewers.
K
So
I
I
know
this
is
taking
up
a
lot
of
y'all's
time
and
resource
communicating
back
and
forth,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
don't
squander
squander
these
monies
with
that
said,
I've
had
a
couple
of
my
county
judges
and
mayors
have
texted
me
and
asked
some
questions
but
kind
of
two
unique
questions.
K
M
Well,
it
gets
around
the
edges
of
the
gray,
those
those
are
those
kind
of
questions
that
we
get
asked
quite
frequently
as
well,
and
it
sounds
like
a
broken
record
to
to
tell
our
county
officials,
but
I
think
we
have
to
wait
and
see
if
that
question
gets
answered
definitively
enough
nationally,
that
you
feel
confident
that
you
can
do
that
and
not
have
those
clawback
concerns
that
jd
talked
about.
So
when
it's
not
black
and
white,
I
have
been
very
careful.
M
Not
I
mean
to
tell
county
officials,
you
know
you've
got
to
be
able
to
give
an
account
for
this
and
again
not
to
necessarily
this
body
or
even
the
electorate,
but
to
a
potential
federal,
u.s
treasury
inspector
general
or
someone
who
comes
in
I
mean
I,
I
had
a
counterpart
in
georgia,
the
the
association
of
counties
director
there
who
said
that
one
of
the
counties
down
there
did
get
an
actual
inspector
general
inquiry
on
the
cares,
act
use
of
funds
because
of
a
citizen
complaint
or
what
have
you
that
that
they
were
using
it
for
something
that
wasn't
eligible.
M
They
turned
out
to
be
fine
because
again
karazhak
the
presumptions
got
very
broad,
which
is
what
we're
hopeful
that
things
like
that
because
of
public
health.
I've
had
county
officials
ask
about.
Can
we
build
a
park
to
encourage
more
outdoor
recreation
and
public
health
benefits?
I
know
dr
alvarado
appreciates
those
kind
of
conversations
where
it
legitimately
could
be.
The
case
could
be
made
that
this
is
a
reaction
that
we've
been
in
our
houses
for
16
months.
We've,
not
we've
been.
You
know.
M
People
have
put
on
the
cove
at
19
or
more
in
some
cases,
and
that
getting
back
out
and
exercising
and
all
your
health
could
be
a
legitimate
excuse,
or
or
rather
a
definition
for
something
that
might
sound
like
it's
on
the
edge.
But
again
until
we
get
something
from
the
treasury.
On
that
we're
very
cautious
about
it.
K
M
Well,
the
these
funds
are
eligible
to
be
used
to
pay
for
the
audits
and
most
counties,
and
we
didn't
touch
on
that.
We'll
have
a
single
audit
and
cities
are
a
little
different
it'll.
J
Implicate,
we
know
70
cities
that
typically
aren't
implicated
based
on
their
distributions,
will
have
to
do
the
single
single
audit
and
because
it's
combined
with
other
federal
funds,
we
we
suspect
that
there'll
be
much
many
more
than
70
doing
a
single
audit.
But,
as
jim
pointed
out,
you
can
use
these
arpa
funds
to
to
pay
for
the
audit.
M
I
think
every
county
will
receive
enough
to
be
to
trigger
a
single
audit,
except
for
maybe
one
or
two
and
so
we've
we
have
already
trained
our
county
officials
on
preparing
for
single
audits.
Lots
of
counties
have
never
gone
through
a
single
audit.
It's
a
lot
more
stringent
in
terms
of
the
federal
oversight
in
those
audits.
So
but
yes,
so.
B
Bray,
thank
you
all
jd.
I
want
to
thank
klc
specifically.
I
had
seen
a
list
of
some
cities
that
hadn't
turned
in
their
budget.
Certifications
and
three
of
my
cities
were
on
there,
and
so,
when
I
contacted
them,
they
had
all
said
klc's
already
been
on
them,
making
sure
that
they
get
that
money.
So
thank
you
for
that.
My
question
is
for
mr
henderson,
so
a
couple
of
my
counties:
don't
have
water
and
sewer
services
or
broadband
services,
so
I'm
kind
of
scratching
my
head
thinking.
B
How
are
they
going
to
use
this
money,
but
they've
had
a
significant
decrease
in
jail
revenue
just
because
they
don't
have
the
state
inmates
anymore
and
frankly,
that's
we
all
know
that's
for
a
county
kind
of
their
biggest
drain
right
now.
Is
there
any
talk
through
the
treasury,
regs
or
anything
about
the
possibility
of
getting
some
help
on
jail
relief.
M
Well,
and
do
you
represent
madison,
a
part
of
madison
as
well?
So
you
know
our
president
judge
taylor
and
so
the
jail
issue,
kind
of
cuts,
both
ways
in
in
the
pandemic
for
those
counties
who
house
state
inmates-
and
some
of
you
all-
have
counties
that
that
do
that
you're
right,
the
the
decline
in
in
inmate
population,
which
is
a
whole
another
conversation
for
maybe
another
day,
representative
fleming
about
efficiencies
and
things
that
you
know.
We
may
have
learned
a
lot
about
about
that
in
this
process.
M
I
know
video
arraignment
other
things,
but
but
so
for
those
counties
that
that
actually
had
a
reduction
in
the
population
and
they
are
dependent
on
that
revenue.
Theoretically,
they
would
qualify.
But
again,
jd
touched
on
this
kind
of
convoluted
formula
that
we
have
to
make
sure
it
fits
within.
But
if
the
revenue
was
down
as
a
result
of
the
payments
for
inmates
being
down
that
theoretically
could
be
lost
revenue
that
could
be
recovered
for
counties
who
house
their
inmates
with
another
county
because
of
just
again
the
overall
reduction
in
inmates.
M
It
actually
probably
created
a
a
benefit
to
their
budget,
a
slight
benefit
by
not
having
to
have
those
incarceration
costs
so
on
the
lost
revenue
side
there
there
is
some
help.
You
know,
interestingly,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
weeds-
it's
just
way
down
in
some
of
these
guidelines,
but
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
again.
I
know
dr
alvarado
has
been
involved
in
this
others.
M
The
mental
health
discussion,
behavioral
health
issues
that
ultimately
lead
to
incarceration
and
other
things,
there's
a
lot
in
there
about
that.
I
know
some
of
the
counties
that
have
been
pretty
forward.
Thinking
about
what
the
solution
is
long
term
to
incarceration
issues
or
having
conversations
about
that.
So
there
there's
opportunity,
I
think,
for
jail
in
the
general
areas
of
jail
discussion,
but
in
terms
of
just
filling
a
hole
in
a
systemic
problem.
A
Other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee-
I
don't
see
them,
but
I'm
going
to
finish
up
with
one
question.
It
got
brought
up
in
that
last
discussion
and
I
may
need
billy
for
this
too,
but
as
far
as
budget
certifications
go
do
we
know
how
many
cities
have
not
submitted
at
this
point
in
time
and
if
there's
still
an
opportunity
for
them
to
get
those
in.
C
I'm
billy
johnson
executive
director
for
federal
grants
with
department
for
local
government
right
now
on
the
no
totals
for
the
cities
out
of
405.
We
have
370
that
have
turned
in.
We
did
set
a
few
guidelines
in
the
beginning
for
june
2nd,
and
then
we
extended
it
last
week
to
friday.
C
If
there
are
still
some
trickling
in,
we
are
not
going
to
decline.
Anybody
from
sending
in
a
budget
certification,
one
of
the
big
holdups
for
our
cities.
Right
now
is
for
those
that
have
not
obtained
duns
numbers
or
sam's
numbers
and
for
us
to
be
able
to
process
their
payment
through
the
state.
We
have
to
have
a
tax
id
and
a
duns
number
from
them,
but
right
now
we're
at
370
on
the
total.
A
C
405
is
what
u.s
treasury
deemed
eligible
for
the
appropriations.
A
Okay,
thanks
billy.
I
appreciate
that
and
to
jim
and
jd's
point
you
know
the
the
the
idea
of
the
the
responsibility
being
on
local
officials
here
with
you
know
that
that's
not
something
that
we
take
for
granted,
because
obviously
the
federal
government
in
making
these
allotments
and
doing
what
they
have
done
has
put
that
responsibility,
mostly
with
the
local
officials.
A
We
want
to
know
how
this
process
is
going
to
work,
so
we
can
because
we're
being
asked
questions
by
our
county
and
city
officials
as
well,
but
we
also
know
that
the
state
doesn't
have
a
big
role
in
this
oversight.
It's
just
a
matter
of
us
us
being
aware
of
what's
going
on
so
we
appreciate
that
and-
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
said-
that
the
the
federal
act
has
put
that
responsibility
back
on
the
local
governments
and-
and
they
obviously
have
faith
in
in
cities
and
counties
using
that
money
properly.
A
All
right
seeing
none,
we
will
move
on
to
our
next
presenters,
which
are
the
group
with
with
state
allotments
and
their
discussion
about
water,
sewer
and
other
projects.
I
I
Okay,
so
great,
thank
you,
sir.
Well
and
again,
first
things.
First,
let
me
thank
you,
mr
chair,
the
chairs
of
the
of
the
interim
committee
and
all
the
members
and
especially
for
your
public
service.
I
think
that's
first
things.
First,
let
me
also,
let
me
also
introduce
the
folks
who
are
involved
in
the
project
and
then
I'm
gonna
put
a
little
context
of
why
I'm
here
why
budget
director
hicks
is
here,
but
first
serving
both
the
drink.
I
The
water
and
wastewater
projects
as
project
director
is
deputy
secretary
from
public
protection,
ray
perry
and,
along
with
a
really
high
functioning
group
that
you
all
know
from
the
department
of
local
government
kentucky
infrastructure
authority
is
sandy
williams
and
from
dennis
keane's
shop
at
dlg,
we've
got
general
counsel.
Matt
stevens
is
involved
in
the
project
in
active
eddie,
jacobs
and
brian
bunch.
I
So
with
that
in
mind,
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
more
context,
and
that
is
why
budget
director
hicks
john
hicks
and
I
are
involved
in
the
project.
Well,
the
governor
saw
this
this
assignment
this,
this
consensus
between
the
administration
and
the
legislature
as
a
top
priority
and
when
he
asked
both
of
us
to
join
the
project
along
with
carrie
harvey
for
the
education
projects.
He
did
that
because
he
recognized
that
you
had
assigned
that
authority.
I
My
business
and
business
career
has
been
about
project
management
about
problem,
solving
about
taking
large
and
complex
projects
that
may
be
presented
to
us
and
breaking
those
down
into
more
manageable
steps,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
today
is
take
you
through
the
water
and
wastewater
project
and
what
really
represents
the
scope
of
that
project.
Now.
You've
already
heard
from,
of
course,
from
jd
and
judge
henderson
on
the
on
the
federal
allocation.
I
The
direct
allocation
that
bucket
and
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
talk
about
drinking
water
in
wastewater,
but
for
for
the
context
of
both
water
and
wastewater
and
broadband.
What
this
slide
represents
is
the
allocation
and
what
we
have
are:
250
million
for
water
and
sewer
projects
and
250
million
for
unserved
and
underserved
broadband
areas
and
50
million
for
securing
economic
development
opportunities
for
commercial
and
industrial
customers.
I
I
I
already
talked
about
the
how
much,
but
we're
going
to
break
that
down
a
little
bit
more
discreetly
in
just
a
minute.
What's
the
program
the
drinking
water
and
wastewater
grant
program
includes
the
design,
the
planning,
the
construction
for
water
and
sewer
related
projects
that
have
a
social,
economic
or
environmental
impact
funded
by
the
american
rescue
plan
of
2021.
I
So
how
much
money
do
we
have
again?
250
million
for
waste
for
water
and
wastewater
of
that
250
million
what's
broken
down?
Is
this
150
million
dollar
pool
is
allocated
by
county
population
and
we've
got
that
in
case.
You
all
need
it
or
I
believe
the
committee
is
all.
If
you
have
those
you
have
those
numbers.
I
today,
as
of
today
and
I'll
probably
speak
to
this
again,
we've
received
127
grant
applications
and
they
amount
to
more
than
300
million
already,
so
we
have
the
either
the
benefit
of
the
burden
of
already
being
oversubscribed.
I
I
This
is
already
underway
as
of
june,
the
first
they'll
be
utilizing
the
water
resource
information
system
wris,
which
is
already,
of
course,
a
already
stood
up
process
within
kia,
which
again
the
benefit
of
water
and
wastewater,
is
kia.
Has
these
systems
and
processes
already
in
place?
This
represents
a
surge
of
projects,
but
the
good
news
is
that
the
processes
the
systems
are
already
in
place,
including
the
wris
project
profile
system
utilities,
will
apply
by
coordinating
with
the
water
management
council
in
the
ad
districts
water
service
coordinator.
I
In
the
ad
districts
will
help
the
utilities
complete
the
project
profile
again
already
now
we're
14
15
days
into
that
process
being
implemented.
Water
service
coordinator
will
select
the
cleaner
water
program
grant
program
as
the
funding
source
under
the
budget
tab.
That's
basically
just
a
procedural
piece
of
things:
okay,
when
can
the
utilities
apply
already
applying
effective
june
the
first
and
that
just
to
confirm
that
was
that
was
what
the
governor
announced
originally
as
the
schedule.
So
it's
on
schedule
in
terms
of
the
applications.
I
In
the
150
million
dollar
pool
they'll
be
selected
through
coordination
between
the
utilities,
the
cities
and
the
counties,
the
50
million
dollar
pool,
that's
the
unserved
and
the
federal
consent.
Decree
areas
will
be
evaluated
based
on
the
number
and
type
of
projects
that
check
the
box
that
comply,
that
is
unserved
drinking
water
customers
in
the
rural
areas
and
the
federal
con
federal
consent,
decree
areas,
lexington
louisville,
northern
kentucky
winchester,
49.9
million
pool
roughly
you
know
again,
rounded
50
million
gets
us
up
to
250
million
total
25
million
is
designated
for
cost
escalations
and
change
conditions.
I
Now
it's
no
news
to
any
of
you
all
here
that
we're
experiencing,
of
course,
material
price
increases
today
and
generally
across
the
board.
Construction
price
increases
and
escalations.
So
we've
reserved
this
amount
for
cost
escalations,
change
conditions
and
situations
where
the
scope
may
change
or
the
cost
may
change
from
the
engineer's
original
estimate.
I
As
jd
and
jim
mentioned,
we're
under
the
same
constraints
in
terms
of
scheduling,
all
funds
must
be
obligated
by
december
31st
2024,
but
I
would
say,
just
like
jd
said
that
that's
a
that's
a
real,
that's,
a
very
realistic
number
for
the
kinds
of
projects
that
are
being
considered
and
it
gives
the
local
jurisdictions
utilities
the
ad
districts,
the
kia.
The
time
and
the
engineer
to
do
the
work,
that's
contemplate
again.
I
The
next
slide,
actually,
the
next
two
slides
just
illustrate
the
a
process
diagram,
basically
just
illustrating
how
we
get
the
projects
done
following
best
practices
and
just
good
project
management.
I
won't
go
through
each
of
these
steps,
but
if
you're
curious
about
it
or
interested
in
it
happy
to
talk
about
it,
we've
I've
already
gone
through
these
steps,
but
this
is
just
to
show
this.
This
slide
in
the
next
slide
show
the
step
by
step
in
the
process
of
executing
the
projects.
I
Okay,
when
will
the
grant
funding
be
available,
and
I
can
say
that,
after
the
federal
program
guidance
is
finalized,
that's
the
interim
guidance
already
fine.
We
already
have
that
interim
guidance.
That's
what
jd
and
and
jim
were
talking
about
earlier.
They've
they've
got
it
for
the
local
program.
We've
got
it
for
the
state
program
after
the
federal
funding
is
received,
and
we
have,
I
believe,
we're
roughly
half
of
that
today.
Is
that
right,
john?
I
I
What's
left
to
do,
coordinate
with
area
development
districts
that
works
underway,
also,
coordinating,
of
course,
with
elected
officials.
That
engagement
is
underway,
as
we
speak,
reviewing
the
final
federal
guidance.
We
have
the
interim
guidance,
we're
still
we'll
be
awaiting,
and
there's
a
dynamic
to
that,
of
course,
but
that's
moving
as
expected,
and
then
finalizing
grant
commitment,
letters
and
grant
assistance
agreements
and
then,
as
us
finally
is
to
getting.
What
is
left
to
do
is
to
get
the
projects
underway
and
completed
by
the
target
december
end
of
december
of
2024.
I
Mr
chair,
that's
that's
a
presentation.
I
tried
to
shrink
wrap
it
as
much
as
I
could
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done.
That's
the
good
news.
I
think.
A
I
I
A
My
question-
and
it
goes
back
to
something
we
talked
about
in
some
of
the
previous
discussions
that
we've
had
today.
I
think
we
had
we
had
gotten
between
2.3
and
2.4
million
total
in
the
the
state
allotment
on
our
pay.
Is
that
correct.
E
A
E
A
Million
okay,
I
was
a
little
over
but
close
and
and
so
far
appropriated,
we've
appropriated
about
1.3
of
that
about
1.2,
okay
yeah.
That
was
close,
you're
very
close
on
that
the
the
discussion
with
regard
to
the
chapter
75
fire
districts
and
ems
areas,
and
things
like
that.
A
E
Well,
they
were
correct
in
saying
any
jurisdiction
who
is
a
recipient
state
county
cities
we're
all
following
the
same
rules,
and
so
so
so
public
safety
is
an
eligible
entity
described
explicitly
as
as
being
one
area
in
which
premium
bonus
pays
are
allowable.
So
the
answer
is
yes,
any
governmental
unit
who's,
a
recipient,
is
a
potential.
E
You
know
it
can
be
asked
if
you
will.
Of
course,
you
know
the
general
assembly
ultimately
will
appropriate
these
funds,
but
yeah
you
know
they
they've
got
they've
got
all
of
those
governmental
entities
to
ask
okay
can
help.
I
think
so.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
I
know
you
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
fun
time
and
we've
gone
through
some
of
this
with
some
of
you
on
another
committee,
so
I'll
I'll.
Try
to
to
summarize,
you
know
as
well
as
I
can
so
that
you
can
have
questions,
but
the
broadband
deployment
fund.
E
E
Well,
it
finally
was
funded
through
appropriations
by
the
general
assembly,
300
million
dollars
of
the
american
rescue
plan,
state
fiscal
recovery
fund,
going
to
the
broadband
deployment
fund,
250
million
identified
for
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
and
with
only
50
million
of
that
available
to
be
awarded
by
next
april
of
2022,
and
I
would
say
that,
because
of
the
limitation
on
the
first
50
million,
we've
decided
to
aim
that
50
million
at
unserved
broadband
areas,
even
though
broadly
underserved,
is
also
a
ineligible
use
of
the
funds
and
then
another
50
million
for
securing
economic
development
opportunities.
E
To
the
extent
that
we
have
that
opportunity
working
closely
with
the
economic
development
cabinet
to
keep
an
eye
on
prospects
there.
Next
and
so
in
your
statute.
The
deployment
fund
assists
governmental
agencies
and
private
sector
entities
to
construct
infrastructure
for
the
deployment
of
broadband
service
to
underserved
and
unserved
areas,
and
to
provide
broadband
services
you
know
to
who
to
residential
commercial
industrial
com,
customers
in
the
federal
rule,
it's
households
and
businesses
who
are
the
intended
recipients
of
broadband
service
to
be
funded
through
the
infrastructure
built
through
these
funds.
E
Next
so
part
of
the
statutes
you
all
set
out,
and
then
you
modified
them
in
the
21
session
through
house
bill
320
and
house
bill
382
set
definitions,
one
correction
on
here
both
with
the
final
rule
that
broadband
is
not
going
to
be
fixed
wireless,
this
wireline
or
fixed
terrestrial,
and
you
all
set
out
some
speed
capacities,
download
upload,
there's
a
process
in
the
statute
about
a
grant
application,
the
requirement
of
50
match
and
then
in
the
21
session
you
all
modified
that
provision
that
permitted
local
governments,
cities
and
counties
who
could
use
the
federal
funds
we
just
heard
about
if
they
want
to
contribute
to
the
50
match
requirement
for
broadband
deployment
projects.
E
So
you
all
are
very
thoughtful
in
understanding
the
prospect
of
blending
these
one-time
infrastructure
funds
from
a
local
level
to
the
funds
appropriated
by
you
at
the
state
level.
Next
so
federal
guidance,
you've
heard
read
testimony
on
that
issued
in
may
10,
150
pages.
E
Just
as
a
comment,
I
thought
you
had
some
very
good
advice
from
the
speakers
before
me.
If
you're
a
local
official-
and
you
want
to
understand
what
can
I
do-
read
those
150
pages
because
in
like
you
do
when
you
issue
an
administrative
reg,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
those
150
pages
are.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
E
E
Read
that
it's
somewhat
like
a
research
document
with
all
kinds
of
footnotes.
So
so,
but
it
is,
it
tells
you
what
they're
thinking
it
won't
tell
you.
It
won't
answer
every
question
and
they're
not
going
to
answer
every
question
in
this
guidance.
So
it's
going
to
be
up
to
the
elected
officials
in
in
the
jurisdictions.
E
So
the
the
guidance
on
the
federal
on
the
broadband
couple
of
changes
to
our
state
statute
number
one
was
a
broadband
deployment
project
funded
with
those
dollars
has
to
meet
the
speed
test
of
a
hundred
megabytes
per
second
download
and
upload
right.
That
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise
that
the
upload
speed
was
that
much
only
with
exceptions
to
topography,
excessive
cost
or
geography,
but
it's
got
to
be
scalable
to
100
meg
upload.
E
So
so
that's
going
to
be
that's
the
baseline
right
won't
fund
a
project
that
doesn't
go
any
good
to
go
slower
than
that,
and
so
so
our
process
sequence,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know,
at
our
budget
review
and
appropriations
revenue,
we're
initiating
a
request
for
information
to
seek
input
from
providers,
municipalities,
anybody
who's
interested
because
we're
building
a
brand
new
program
from
ground
up
kentucky's,
never
put
out
funds
for
a
broadband
deployment,
and
so
we're
we're
at
the
very
beginning.
E
So
that
is
out
that's
going
to
be
out
in
a
number
of
days
from
now,
and
so
we'll
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
widely
broadcast
availability
of
that
we're
basically
asking
people
to
give
us
input
as
we
develop
this
rfp
the
application,
the
grant
program
itself,
part
of
that
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
two-stage
rfp
process.
The
law.
E
Our
statute
requires
an
rfp
process
and
so
we're
going
to
have
an
initial
notice
of
intent
to
apply
with
an
initial
map
a
map
of
what
a
map
of
eligible
unserved
areas.
Given
the
data
that
we
have-
and
we
know
we
don't
have
all
the
data
we
have,
the
fcc's
data
we
have
data
from
the
rural
development
opportunity
fund
grant
award
that
the
fcc
had
provided.
E
We
have
data
from
the
commonwealth
exercise
on
the
broad,
the
crowd
sourced
internet,
speed,
mapping,
you
can
click
online
and
and
and
identify
where
you
are,
and
it
will
measure
how
fast
your
broadband
is
and
so
we're
using
that
to
kind
of
fill
in
this
gaps,
because
the
fcc
data
is
by
census,
block
and
says
that
any
entity
that
has
broadband
service
in
a
census
block
means
the
census
block
is
covered.
Well,
we
know,
that's
not
true,
and
the
fcc
knows
that's
not
true.
E
So
we're
trying
to
fill
in
the
gaps
url's
house
bill
382,
you
know
sought
that
we'd
identify.
You
know
the
most
unserved
in
small
geographic
areas
within
a
census
block.
So
so,
if
there's
an
application.
Ultimately,
that
is
a
partial
set
of
residences
of
businesses
in
a
census
block
that
is
served
in
other
parts
of
the
county,
but
is
unserved.
It
can
be
shown
to
be
unserved
in
that
part
of
the
county.
E
Then
it's
an
eligible
project
area
which
gets
to
the
intention
you
all
have,
which
is
to
get
to
unserved
and
ultimately
underserved
areas
for
broadband.
So
we're
going
to
have
a
you
know,
a
initial
map
that
we
expect
to
be
modified
by
the
responses
to
that
initial
rfp
stage.
One.
There
is
a
process
in
the
statute
about
challenge.
E
No
a
provider
says
I
can
prove
that
I
am
serving
that
area
or
I
will
within
12
months,
and
so
there
is
a
process
in
law
for
that
and
we're
going
to
make
determinations
and
then
we'll
go
to
stage
two,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
longer
application
that
basically
gets
to
the
project.
Specifics.
Where
are
you?
How
much
will
it
cost
lots
of
information
about
the
applicant
lots
of
information
about
the
service
to
be
provided
about
the
speed
about
the
potential
cost,
those
kinds
of
things
and
there's
a
challenge
process
to
each
application?
E
You
know
it's
a
necessarily
technical
and
deliberative
process
and
one
in
which
this
is
the
first
time
the
kentucky
state
government's
been
involved,
so
we're
being
urgent
but
deliberative
about
our
process
next
sandy,
and
so
how
will
they
be
selected?
You
all
modified
your
state
statute
with
house
bill
382
and
said
for
this
pot
of
money.
We
want
projects
in
unserved
areas
where
other
money
is
inadequate
or
other
money
is
currently
designated.
So
we
don't
want
to.
E
We
don't
want
to
be
redundant
of
a
say,
a
federal
award,
that's
already
been
provided
and
work
is
being
done
or
will
be
done.
Projects
at
least
that
reach
customers
least
economical,
to
serve
well
we're
putting
the
first
50
million
to
unserved.
E
When
you
talk
about
the
marketplace
and
the
you
know
commercially
infeasible
way
to
get
to
that
house
at
the
end
of
the
county
road,
that's
an
unserved
area.
That's
the
least
economical
to
serve
that's
the
reason.
The
government's
putting
their
resources
into
this
is
to
help
lower
the
capital
cost
of
getting
broadband
to
those
areas.
Some
other
provisions,
you
know
we'll
put
in
project
attributes
the
the
may
provide
incentive
for
timely
completion
with
something
you
all
have
in
the
statute.
E
Next
timelines,
the
rfi
is
going
to
be
out
really
really
soon
the
stage
one
application
is
going
to
be
july
so
that
we
have
time
to
take
input
from
that
rfi
and
use
it
to
to
improve
the
process
that
our
core
group
is
currently
working
on
and
developing
the
application.
E
I
think
that's
a
couple
of
things
to
do:
we're
going
to
have
some
e-regs
that
will
have
to
do
that
and
I'll
make
this
comment.
The
statutes
that
you
all
passed
were
very
good
statutes.
I've
been
watching
state
statutes
and
broadband
deployment.
You
know
throughout
the
last
couple
of
years
and
it's
a
well-written
statute.
E
We
don't,
we
won't
have
a
whole
lot
of
new
stuff
in
the
regulations.
You
know
that
in
in
the
application,
so
so
just
to
let
you
know
we'll
finalize
that
initial
eligible
map.
After
that
first
stage
and
then
we'll
then
we'll
put
out
the
full
rfp
for
the
application.
E
So
it's
a
very
exciting
prospect.
You
all
did
a
nice
job
in
getting
ready
for
this
in
the
2020
session.
Little
did.
We
know
that
the
federal
government
was
going
to
come
in
with
a
whole
lot
of
resources
that
would
able
to
basically
finance
the
policy
that
you
all
set
forth
in
2020.
So,
while
kentucky's
new
to
it,
the
steps
that
you
all
have
taken
preceding
this
point,
you
know
really
are
enabling
us
to
be
able
to
move
forward
in
the
near
term.
K
Thank
you,
director,
hicks,
just
a
question
from
past
testimony
that
you
had
given.
I
needed
some
clarity
as
far
as
art
off
funds,
so
are
projects
that
are
receiving
art
off
funds.
Will
they
also
receive
state
funds
or
be
qualified
for
these
state
funds?
If
you
could
clarify
that.
E
Yeah
well,
they'll
there
potentially
won't
qualify.
You
know
because
the
intention
of
the
the
of
the
one
of
the
provisions
you
know
in
in
your
statutes
and
in
recent
house
bills
was
to
not
be
redundant
of
funds
already
going
to
a
project
area.
So
we
have
that
information
from
the
federal
government.
We
know
what
areas
received
funds
from
that
ardoff.
You
know
fcc
auction
that
happened
and
it
was
awarded.
E
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
last
calendar
year
now
you
all
have
in
there
a
provision
that
says
if
they
are
or
are
awarded
or
if
they're
inadequate.
So
I
don't
want
to
rule
out
the
the
the
hypothetical
that
the
funds
that
the
ardoff
provided
were
inadequate.
You
know
that's
a
bar
where
they'd
have
to
get
over,
but
you
know
it's.
It's
hypothetically
possible
right.
K
And
just
to
a
quick
follow-up,
I
was
going
to
point
that
out
in
western
kentucky
we
have
a
large
project
that
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
see
or
have
seen
the
art
off
funds
are
inadequate
to
meet
a
large
area
of
unserved
need.
So
that
was
the
basis
of
my
question.
Is
it's
it's
a
large
project
and
I'd
like
to
personally
see
that
those
funds
were
co-mingled,
but
I
understand
your
response
as
well.
So
thank
you.
B
Bray
yeah
I've
just
got
a
question
on
the
50
million
for
economic
opportunity.
I
know
that
wasn't
in
your
presentation,
but
you
had
mentioned
it
earlier.
Is
this
infrastructure
investment?
Is
it
because
is
it
just
cash
payment
for
recruitment?
What
exactly
is
that
sure.
E
First,
it's
part
of
the
broadband
deployment
fund,
so
it's
definitely
for
the
construction
of
broadband
infrastructure.
I
focused
here
in
where
there
might
be
economic
development
opportunities.
Let's
just
say
we
got
a
greenfield
site
out
there
in
which
there's
going
to
be
an
industry
that
can
move
in
and
needs
broadband
service
as
far
as
they
would
need
water
and
sewer
and
electric.
So
that's
the
intent
there.
It's
still
to
be
the
construction
of
broadband
infrastructure.
L
Thank
you.
This
is
probably
for
both
you
and
for
secretary
gray,
just
in
looking
at
sort
of
the
flow
chart
here.
E
Well,
the
lady
sitting
to
my
left.
You
know
sandy
williams,
the
deputy
director
of
the
infrastructure
authority,
you
know
is
going
to
be.
You
know
the
catchers
met
for
you
know
all
these
applications
and
so
on
the
water
and
sewer
side.
I
know
it's
going
to
be
a
surge,
but
it's
something
they're
very
used
to
the
good
thing
about
the
federal
guidance
on
water
and
sewer.
Was
it
tracked,
the
wastewater
and
drinking
water
revolving
loan
funds
that
they
administered?
So
you
know
we
didn't
have
to
worry
about.
Are
we
doing
something
different
here?
E
So
that
was
very
good.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
the
governor
would
say
is
we're
going
to
make
sure
there
are
resources
there
that
help
the
infrastructure
authority
with
their
work.
Now
they've
got
expertise
in
there
and
want
to
ensure
that
nobody
can
help.
You
know
they
don't
need
the
help
in
that
regard,
because
they
know
exactly
what
they're
doing.
E
But
let's,
let's
just
get
to
the
issue
of
broadband
for
a
minute
and
talk
about
you
know
evaluating
you
know
providing
getting
information
on
all
those
applications
we're
going
to
likely
have
to
pull
together
some
some
folks.
You
know
who,
in
addition
to
the
infrastructure
authorities,
you
know
to
help
put
that
together,
yeah
because
it's
not
been
done
before
and
they
don't
have
the
expertise
built
up
there
as
well.
So,
just
like
secretary
gray
said:
why
are
he
and
I
and
others,
kind
of
involved
in
the
development?
E
I
see
something
very
similar
happening
with
the
helping
the
infrastructure
authority,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
broadband
fund,
simply
because
it's
exactly
what
you
said.
This
is
we're
going
to
get
an
explosion
of
applications.
I
hope
we
do
that'll
be
a
good
problem
to
have
and
we're
going
to
have
to
resource.
You
know
for
that.
C
Representative
johnson,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
you
mentioned
at
some
point
in
your
briefing
an
initial
eligible
map.
F
C
Caught
that
term,
we
talk
about
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
but
I've
never
seen
a
map
of
what
unserved
and
underserved
areas
are.
Is
that
what
that's
going
to
be
yeah.
E
We're
putting
one
together,
no
that's
exactly
right
and
and
we'll
this
initial
map
is
going
to
be
unserved
because
of
the
first
50
million,
but
we're
getting
the
data
to
do
both
right
under
and
under
serve
and
those
sources.
The
fcc's
you
know
reports
that
the
providers
give
them
on
a
quarterly
basis.
E
The
rural
development
opportunity
fund
award
the
connect
america
fund
phase
two
award
and
as
well
as
our,
if
you
were
our
crowd-sourced
internet
data,
we're
gonna
use
to
really
fill
in
some
details
and
we
so
think
of
that
as
a
draft
map
and
then
have
the
providers
the
municipalities,
others
come
in
and
make
it
better.
E
You
know
identify
where
it's
correct,
identify
where
it's
incorrect.
You
know
so
that
so
that
we
can
then
put
out
the
full
map
and
say
here
are
the
unserved
areas
that
are
eligible
for
projects
to
to
apply
to
the
fund.
E
E
So
the
most
important
thing
is
to
put
out
the
initial
map
anyway
and
then
we're
gonna
have
a
period
of
time
in
which
that
map
is
corrected
and
modified,
so
that
then
the
full
second
rfp
stage
can
can
go
out
there.
So
so
we're,
I
would
say,
we're
not
too
far
away
from
putting
that
first
map
out
there
and
saying
have
at
it.
Tell
us
tell
us:
what's
you
know,
correct
or
incorrect
about
it
and
give
us
the
data?
E
C
A
E
You
yeah,
we
want
to
provide
it
to
everybody,
I
mean
because
because
it
really
is,
you
know,
I
find
it
really
interesting
myself
and
you
know
it
really
has
a
very
technical
programmatic
purpose
here,
but
it's
also
an
exhibition
of
you
know
how
that
crowdsourcing
internet
speed
survey.
You
know
what
its
results
were.
You
know
which
you
know
it's
you
know
if
you
will
you'll
know
your
county
and
you'll
nod
your
head
about
that
representative
fleming.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
director
hicks,
I
I
know
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
and
r
and
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
even
some
of
my
harsh
comments,
weren't
directed
towards
you,
it's
it's
a
matter
of
the
whole
process
and
situation
becomes
procurement.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that,
because
I
don't
really
follow
up
with
you
after
the
meeting,
but
obviously
you
know
procurement's
really
important
and
to
get
the
public
sector
involved
and
so
forth.
H
I
do
want
to
ask
you
just
to
follow
the
representative
johnson's
comments
on
the
on
the
map
was.
I
got
the
impression
your
comments
a
second
ago
that
the
private
sector
is
going
to
be
included
in
developing
the
map,
and
I
assume
you
might
get
some
nda
ndas
from
them.
So
you
can
get
a
really
complete
picture
of
that,
and
then
duff
telling
with
that
it
goes
to
the
under
serve.
I
think
under
serve,
is
basically
defined
as
20
25
down
and
three
up.
H
E
No,
it
does
not
yeah,
I
mean
our
state
statute
is
exactly
as
you
just
specified
the
25
and
three
right
and
and
which
is
also
consistent
with
the
u.s
treasury's
interim
final
rule
on
terms
of
underserved.
The
25
and
3
is
also
their
standard,
but
no
other
elements
that
are
incorporated.
H
Okay
and
one
more
question,
mr
chairman,
just
for
this
committee,
because
I
know
I
got
the
responses
and
your
comments
on
the
kentucky
wire.
Could
you
explain
to
the
committee
the
involvement,
if
any,
at
all,
with
kentucky
wire
during
this
process,
because
I
know
we
had
a
good
discussion
about
that
in
the
a
r
I
want
to
make
sure
the
committee
is
aware
of
that,
because
I
know
several
folks
are
here
about
concern
about
their
involvement.
Sure.
E
Thank
you
fleming.
One
of
our
members
of
our
core
group
is
an
employee
of
the
kentucky
communications
network
authority
and,
and
we
reached
out
to
him
because
he
is
the
subject
matter
expert.
E
This
gentleman
has
worked
in
the
telecommunications
industry
prior
to
his
work
with
the
commonwealth
office
of
technology
in
helping
to
run
the
state's
network
contract
and
then
came
over
to
the
kentucky
communications
network
authority,
so
he's
serving
as
a
as
someone
who's
assisting
us-
and
you
know
who
understands
you
know
the
the
the
business
of
internet
service
provision
so
he's
rea
and
just
like
secretary
gray,
said
we're
reaching
out
to
resources
elsewhere
in
the
administration
to
kind
of
put
some
heads
and
hands
together.
E
A
We
have
hit
the
end
of
our
time
sec,
our
director
hicks.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
All
of
you
all
for
the
presentations.
We
will
have
our
next
meeting
july.
A
Next
meeting
date
is
pending
at
this
point
in
time
so
july.
The
20th
co-chair
mills
who
will
be
chairing
that
july.
The
20th
same
time
same
place.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn,
got
a
motion
from
representative
reed,
a
second
all
in
favor.